nigel mi6 officer warns that nigel farage may be on a watch list and scrutinised following rioting across the uk. if this is true, security services could be in the breach of the wilson doctrine. plus, riots have erupted in a small norfolk village over the union flag, and some say it signifies nationalism and is a symbol against immigration. of course they do. well, we'll be speaking to a former mp who called for the former government to create a minister for the protection of flags . flags. so we've got an action packed show, and it's your show as much as mine. so please do get in touch with your thoughts on tonight's topics by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay. get them in and i'll read out the best before the end of the show. but before the end of the show. but before we get cracking, it's your headlines. here's sam

francis. >> martin, thank you very much . >> martin, thank you very much. and good evening to you. the top story at 7:00. well, a man has been arrested in central london after two people, including an 11 year old girl, were stabbed today , the child and a 34 year today, the child and a 34 year old woman were taken to hospital. but their injuries are not thought to be life threatening. our home and security editor, mark white, is in leicester square for us tonight. reporter well, late this afternoon, the metropolitan police released some important new information about this attack that neither the suspect nor the two victims here appear to have been known to each other. >> what? we spoke to abdullah , >> what? we spoke to abdullah, who was a security guard in one of the nearby premises here that ran on hearing the screams out to subdue this attacker and bnng to subdue this attacker and bring him to the ground. this is what he told us. >> i jumped on him. hold the handin >> i jumped on him. hold the hand in which he wasn't having a knife, and he just put him down

on the floor and just hold him and kicked the knife away from him. and then a couple of more people joined as well, and we just hold him until the police came. it took like maybe 3 to 4 minutes. police arrived and they just took him into custody and the child, just like all my colleagues, they gave him first aid. >> well, the metropolitan police have praised the bravery of abdullah and others that came to the assistance of that mother. and child, subduing the suspect . and child, subduing the suspect. he is now in custody and being questioned by police. at this stage, they say there is no evidence to suggest a terrorist motivation, but they have no other indication yet as to what the motive was . the motive was. >> mark white there are home and security editor for us at leicester square. well, turning to news in manchester now, two people have been arrested after a man died falling from a fourth floor balcony. the 37 year old man and a 40 year old woman are being questioned in salford on suspicion of murder.

being questioned in salford on suspicion of murder . more being questioned in salford on suspicion of murder. more than 18,000 migrants have crossed the engush 18,000 migrants have crossed the english channel, so far this yeah english channel, so far this year. that's afterjust over 700 year. that's after just over 700 people crossed on sunday, the highest number on a single day since sir keir starmer became prime minister a 12 year old boy has become the youngest person now to be charged with violent disorder after the recent riots across the uk. he admitted to violent disorder charges after throwing a missile at a police van, and was also filmed kicking the window of a passing bus. the unrest broke out after the killing of three young girls in southport. now two weeks ago, and the threat of rioting on the streets across the uk has led to a 10% nationwide drop in hospitality sales, latest figures show . footfall was down figures show. footfall was down by 75% in some places as businesses closed and customers stayed at home. reportedly, coastal towns were particularly affected, especially by the cancellation of coach trips , and cancellation of coach trips, and the prime minister has issued a

joint statement with french and german leaders calling for a ceasefire negotiation between israel and hamas to resume immediately. it comes as the white house is warning iran could attack israel this week . could attack israel this week. retaliations are expected over the killing of a senior hamas member, which israel has neither claimed nor denied responsibility for. and finally, good news if you're a fan of the heat, the uk has officially seen its hottest, hottest day of the year so far. the met office says a temperature of 34.8 degrees was recorded in cambridge. well these elephants at blackpool zoo have been making the most of the warm weather, spending the afternoon cooling off in their swimming pool. lucky for some, but further north, the met office has issued a yellow weather warning for thunderstorms. flash flooding and possible travel disruption . and possible travel disruption. those are the latest gb news headunes. those are the latest gb news headlines . for now i'm sam headlines. for now i'm sam francis. more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code,

or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you sam. now the metropolitan police have launched an investigation after an 11 year old girl was stabbed in central london in broad daylight this afternoon. the child and her mother, who was aged 34, were attacked in front of shocked tourists in london's leicester square. a 3032 year old man has been taken into custody , and the police say they custody, and the police say they don't believe that the suspect and the victims were known to each other. well joining me now is gb news reporter adam cherry, who just metres away from where the incident took place . adam, the incident took place. adam, what do we know? has anything new come out since early on? we know it's a 32 year old man. we know it's a 32 year old man. we know that they weren't known. he wasn't known to the victims. anything else come out ? anything else come out? >> that's all we know at the

moment. martin. i've been standing here for the last couple of hours, and we've seen a forensics team gathering evidence on the street behind me where the stabbing itself took place. and inside this venue here, this shop where we understand paramedics treated the victims before they were taken to hospital. they have now left the scene and they've cleared out for the evening. it's still an active crime scene, of course, so it's still cordoned off and you can't enter. but they have now cleared the scene. so that's what we know at the moment. as you say, the metropolitan police saying they don't have an insight into they don't have an insight into the motivation for this attack. they don't believe it's terrorist terror related. but the suspect was not known to either victim . either victim. >> okay, adam. and it's important to stress once again, as we saw in southport, a lot of people are speculating as to the quy's people are speculating as to the guy's intention. we simply don't know that we should not speculate. and the police have told us and the government sir keir starmer has told us anybody spreading misinformation will be subject to the full force of the

law. so we need to be very, very careful on that front until we know more about this. but adam, this comes two weeks to the day after that attack, that fatal attack in southport. there's a feeling that our streets are simply getting out of control . simply getting out of control. >> yeah. i mean, as you say , >> yeah. i mean, as you say, it's been two weeks of really ugly scenes across the capital and across the country. where we go from here, you know, we i was in a downing street meeting or rather, a press briefing this morning where they stressed, again, as you said, that the pubuc again, as you said, that the public should be very careful about their use of social media and the science and technology secretary, peter kyle, met with social media leaders last week, and we'll continue to meet them over the coming days to discuss, i presume , presume this event i presume, presume this event here, but also, of course, the riots over the last few weeks, questions remain over what that means long term. does it mean censorship? of course. they're now pushing through the online

safety act, which will make social media companies responsible for the material which is posted on there, and they have a duty of care to make sure that misinformation that use their language isn't spread. and there may be consequences to that. but for now, martin, this is where we are . this scene here is where we are. this scene here has been has been cleared. evidence has been gathered. and in just the last few moments, we've heard the mayor of london, sadiq khan, say that he is being briefed on this and he's being kept in the loop on this, but no further statements other than that at this time . that at this time. >> okay. thank you to adam cherry joining us there live from the scene of that crime in leicester square. and joining me now in the studio is the social campaigner winston davis and my panel of gb news, senior political commentator nigel nelson and the former conservative mp daniel kawczynski. i'll start with you. if i can. winston, i know you speak a lot about rehabilitation. having offended yourself, what are your first thoughts about this? interesting sadiq khan passed the comment there, but many, many people are

saying knife crime is out of control in britain , particularly control in britain, particularly in london. these events are becoming tragically commonplace. >> i mean, obviously tragic, a tragedy, you know , upsetting tragedy, you know, upsetting that somebody, you know, committed this crime in central london, i think it's important what you guys just said a minute ago about re—emphasising that we don't have any information about this. and speculate on it, you know, we can't do it. i'll be concerned a little bit, even though you say we're sort of dancing around, not sure what to say, whether we are being overly censored because there's a balance there. obviously you don't want people spreading misinformation, but at the same time, we live in a country where you're supposed to have free speech, but if that free speech is going to incite violence and hatred, then obviously we don't want that. but overall, though, as a as a country, i was looking back at the statistics on murders in this country over the last 15 years, been fairly stable, hovering around 250, 200 murders a year. i know it's not, you know, acceptable, but it's hovered around for 15 years. it's not as if we've gone from 250 murders in 2008 to all of a sudden we've got 3000. you know,

it's in and around that , that it's in and around that, that figure, even though we've had a growth in the population and the last couple of years, we've actually had a 20% decrease in in, in knife related murders in the country. yeah. >> but we've also had a huge increase in knife related crime where it's used, for example, robbery at knife point, mugging at knife point. so the incidence of knife knives coming into the spectrum of crime is greatly up. you know, about young people's mindsets. you know far better than i do on the streets out there. why on earth would anybody carry a knife? and how on earth we stamp out this cancer? >> well , cancer? >> well, somebody was talking to me about this last week and said to me, you know, if they if they gave out life sentences for carrying a knife, people would stop carrying a knife. but if you are a young person and you're in a particular area, and if you don't carry a knife, somebody else who could come into your contact with you, you could be carrying a weapon and kill you. and you believe genuinely that by carrying a weapon, you're going to defend yourself. that's the only way

that i yourself. that's the only way thati can yourself. that's the only way that i can that you can imagine that i can that you can imagine that someone will want to carry a knife. so i can't get into the heads of, you know, a young person exactly why they're going to be carrying, carrying a knife. but that's the most reasonable way that you know that you could imagine it. you know, for them, it's life or death. they say you can increase the prison sentence. you can increase the sentencing for it, the punishment for it. but actually, if you think you're actually, if you think you're actually going to be at harm yourself, then that's what a considerable on a daily basis. and if you look back over the last 12, 13 years, we've had 20,000 less police officers on the streets. we've had austerity, we have police cuts with police to the justice system. we've had, you know, explosion of the prison system. and you look back at all of those factors. i noticed since 2019, they've started to increase the officers, but the ones that have been replaced are far less experienced, the ones that have left. >> so you also and this is an issue of policing of resource. what about the mindset? what about this kind of attitude that there's no real punishment. you know you're you know people complain about stop and search. people say that they shouldn't be sent to prison. it won't

deter them. it's a badge of honoun deter them. it's a badge of honour. so what do we do? just give them a cuddle? >> i think. i think it's so many factors into it. we've just talked about austerity and talked about austerity and talked about austerity and talked about you know, cuts, but also talk about young people, especially over this last 4 or 5 years with the pandemic. there's desensitisation, especially online. we're talking a lot about online over this last week with the rise of misinformation. but this desensitisation to life generally and young people, you know, are seeing more and more graphic content more and more things, which you just wouldn't see at such a young age. so then it becomes, like you said, a trend thing to carry us on, be nice to carry something downstream. and there are people that are doing a lot of work to try and combat that, but they're not getting the funding and not getting the support. >> okay, winston davis, thanks for your input. let's turn to my panel for your input. let's turn to my panel. now. that's of course, nigel and daniel. nigel, let's start with you again. i just repeat two weeks of the day since we saw that tragic triple killing in southport. knife crime just doesn't seem to go away. how on earth can we ever, ever stamp this out? it's fine and well for people like winston to like to say, oh, we need to talk to young people. we need to

get inside their mindset. surely the only answer is build more jails. stamp down if sir keir starmer if a yvette cooper can bang people up for rioting, you know, within days of it happening, why can't we do the same with knife crime? >> well, yvette cooper is planning to do just that. so her idea at the moment is 13,000 more neighbourhood police and pcsos to patrol neighbourhoods. when it comes to people carrying knives, tougher , swifter knives, tougher, swifter sentences. everybody involved in knife crime will go to a youth offender team afterwards to try and stop them doing it again. getting rid of zombie knives online. so. and prosecution for people who sell them online. so the bosses of big companies could be facing some southport it was a kitchen knife. >> but in southport that triple killing i mean the trouble is you can't knife. >> there's nothing you can do about about things like getting about about things like getting a kitchen knife on the high street. what you can do is limit things like machetes, zombie style knives, ninja , ninja style knives, ninja, ninja swords, that kind of thing. that

would help. but you're absolutely right. i mean, a knife is easy to come by. we're lucky in this country up to a point that we don't have the same gun crime as america, where guns are more freely available. but knife crime is a real problem. >> daniel kawczynski, let's bnng >> daniel kawczynski, let's bring you in here. it was certain sense of irony. i believe in sadiq khan coming out and condemning this knife crime in london streets many people feel is totally out of control and today's attack the randomness, it appears, of it unknown victims to the perpetrator. an act that's much, much more chilling. >> well, it's not. it's not only in the streets of london. when i represented shrewsbury, we saw over the last few years a significant increase in anti—social behaviour in the high street criminality. i had to spend more and more of my time as a member of parliament, working with the police and crime commissioner. there's no doubtin crime commissioner. there's no doubt in my mind over the last few years i take winston's point that we've got to get everything into context, but there's no doubt that over the last few

years i think the respect for the police perhaps hasn't been there to the degree that it should be, and that criminals have not feared sufficiently as sentences, and that this is up for debate. we need to constantly debate that the powers that are given to the to the police and the sentences, and whether or not prisoners stay in prison and whether or not there is enough capacity for them in prisons. so and sir keir starmer now in the run up to the next general election, which admittedly is a long way away, but this will be a fundamental issue as to whether or not he returns to power, if he can deal with this situation. >> nigel, of that cooper today was saying that the respect for police has been lost since the riots just two weeks ago. didn't the respect for the police disappear? a long time ago, the police were taking the knee in london to black lives matter dunng london to black lives matter during the riots in 2020. riots which, by the way, politicians of the left particularly wanted to understand and get to the bottom of and have a dialogue.

no such conversation has taken place after the riots across the seven most deprived towns in england. the seven towns, by the way, have the highest percentage of asylum seekers in britain. can i ask you don't think the labour party this time around should also be more understanding and engaging and inclusive? that word with these communities like they were in 2010 after the riots, which ostensibly affected the black community, which is what i think is going to happen. >> i mean, labour have got enough mps now to send them into those communities and say, right, look at the community, look at the reasons for dissatisfaction , disaffection, dissatisfaction, disaffection, find out what people are actually saying and bring it back to us. but that comes next. at the moment, the first stage was to stop the riots. fingers crossed. we seem to be getting through that with tough sentences, and the fact that they're being publicised as well as they are next stage is to deal with social media. then we start dealing with any underlying causes that we need

to find out. >> okay, nigel. daniel thank you. my panel, of course, will be back later. winston davis, thanks for coming in. always a pleasure to have your experience. thank you. see you again shortly. now next, an ex mi6 again shortly. now next, an ex m16 officer warns that nigel farage may be scrutinised by intelligence services following the nationwide riots. don't miss that

welcome back. now, in a controversial statement, a highly controversial statement following the recent riots and christopher steele, a former head of the russian desk of m16, sensationally claims that intelligence services want to investigate whether tommy robinson and reform mp nigel farage have the backing of vladimir putin. both figures have faced criticism with regards to the recent rioting and have been accused of potential incitement. but steele states that m15 will be looking

into things like their travel movements and also monetary transfers. now, if this action is taken by m15, it could be in the breach of the wilson doctrine, a convention which obstructs the ability of the police and security services from tapping phones of the members of the house of commons and the house of lords. an astonishing story. and joining me now to discuss this is chris phillips, the former head of the national counter terrorism security office. chris, always a delight to have you on the show. i find this story simply , i find this story simply, astonishingly baseless. allegation. the inference that this may extend to nigel farage dragged into the web once again of vladimir putin. russian influence and allegations have been thrown at nigel farage time and time again, with no proof thus far. tell me, what do you think about this astonishing attack? >> well, i think it's a load of rubbish, to be honest, martin, i think it's probably the mail trying to get some headlines.

christopher steele probably asked for a comment on all this, and, probably offhand mentioned something along these lines that people will be looked into, and i think it's a story of nothing, martin, to be quite honest, tommy robinson will be monitored. there's no doubt about that. he's considered a bit of a problem. and criminal to some, but, nigel's not said anything. i don't think that , anything. i don't think that, would would cause any issues with regard to this, but chris isn't the clear indication here that put these people in the same venn diagram? >> tommy robinson, vladimir putin, nigel farage, the inference, the smears that they're basically the same animal. that's what this is doing. and as for christopher steele saying that nigel farage is, quote, an instigator of the recent riots, that to me is borderline defamatory. >> i think it is defamatory. and if i was nigel, i'd be, speaking to my solicitors. you know,

we've got a load of misinformation and nonsense going on at the moment because both parties, neither party, actually want to deal with the problem that that 60% of the 6,070% of the population feel, and there's a lot of misinformation flying about. and i think nigel is probably, you know, i think this talk about hard right, hard left, this is, you know, there's an awful lot of people in the country that are really concerned about immigration. both parties know that. and, they're both trying to, throw some muck around and of course, nigel is the one that's going to get it. >> and, chris, it's worth pointing out, of course, that this conversation with christopher steele took place on times radio, it's gone out. it's now out there. and isn't this just the same old story? these allegations are thrown out . allegations are thrown out. there's no proof of the allegation, but the process, the punishment is that people believe it. the smoke and the mirrors sticks and it's there's no validation for it. there's no factual analysis, but it's just thrown out there .

thrown out there. >> yeah, exactly. and it's a very simple thing to do . and very simple thing to do. and it's throw out loads of allegations without ever backing them up . and you know, even them up. and you know, even boris, if you think about, boris, if you think about, boris, early days, he was supposed to have been a russian insider, and yet he was the one that was very much, in support of ukraine. so, you know, we know these things happen that, they throw the mud out to try and get some, as you say, an inference that someone's up to no good when it's complete nonsense. >> okay. chris phillips, the former head of the national counter terrorism security office, thanks for joining us. and i'm still joined in the studio by gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and the former conservative mp daniel kawczynski. daniel, could i start with you? i know before we started, you said you have some pretty robust opinions on this far away . far away. >> well, i think i think if somebody with the former position of mr steele is going to be making these sort of aspersions and casting these sort of allegations about nigel farage, he's got to be extremely

careful and he's got to make sure he has evidence and we saw what happened. and you've referred to him, arron banks, he took the guardian newspaper journalist to court and won, she was found out to have just sprayed these allegations without any evidence, and she had to pay a very hefty fine. i very much hope that nigel farage does take action against mr steele, because it's very, very damaging for the body politic. somebody actually suggesting that some what it infers is that you are betraying your country because at this stage, anybody with any tangential links to putin is working in, in a counterintuitive way to the interests of the united kingdom. it's a very serious allegation. and daniel, even more astonishing because, of course, nigel farage is now a sitting member of parliament. >> that wasn't the case before, nigel, for those who might not be aware of who this individual is, christopher steele, who is this fella, >> he used to run the russia

desk at m16. so he was quite a senior spook in his day. he then went off to a private intelligence company where he now is. and if you remember, he was responsible for the controversial dossier on donald trump in russia , which caused trump in russia, which caused all sorts of fuss because that none of the allegations in that turned out to be provable. so here we are again with the same with a number of allegations being thrown around you mentioned the wilson doctrine should m15 ever need to investigate a member of parliament has to be signed off by the home secretary , most by the home secretary, most importantly the prime minister. theidea importantly the prime minister. the idea that keir starmer would authorise an investigation into nigel farage, with absolutely no evidence at all, is just for the birds, so that won't happen. >> but nevertheless, the allegation is thrown out there. social media will do its thing. you know the truth won't even have its trousers on before. this has gone all around the world as fact and as you pointed

out, those allegations which were used politically, ostensibly and methodically for a long time against donald trump in america, were proven to be completely baseless. and it feels like this is a similar thing, a politically motivated attack. do you think that idea has legs? >> well, it seems to i mean, the whole thing just seems to be as as we heard from from chris, a second ago. it just seems to be nonsense because, it is certainly true. an m15 would looked at tommy robinson, not not least because of his links with the english defence league ten years ago. they would have certainly looked at that national action was banned as a terrorist organisation. so that was the work of m15 . so yes, was the work of m15. so yes, they look at far right people and far right groups. what they don't do is look at sitting members of parliament unless there is huge evidence that they're doing something on behalf of a foreign power. >> and then you, as nigel said, that's pretty unlikely that would actually get the rubber stamp of the prime minister and the home secretary. but does it even need that? does it even need the official

acknowledgement? because as i just said, people will think, once again, here we go. putin's got his claws into nigel farage once again, always in the same venn diagram as tommy robinson. all of this is designed , is it all of this is designed, is it not, to tarnish by association? >> well, i mean, of course, on the one hand we have, increasing evidence that president putin is trying to, in a malign way, influence elections in western european countries and try to influence and hack into databases . on the one hand, on databases. on the one hand, on the other hand, there is no evidence whatsoever that has been presented linking mr farage to putin or any of his operators. so the conduct of mr steele, i agree with everybody who has spoken so far, very, very damaging to the overall integrity of parliament and parliamentarians to make these sort of allegations without a scintilla, without a shred of evidence. >> and as you say, maybe he'll be getting a nice legal letter in the post. daniel. nigel,

thank you for your opinions. superb as ever. now, coming up next, the deputy prime minister, angela rayner, scraps tory plans for brits to take priority over migrants on the social housing list. and

welcome back to the show. now angela rayner , a scrapped angela rayner, a scrapped conservative, plans to prioritise long standing british citizens over migrants for council housing. the deputy prime minister has been criticised at a move that could result in british citizens having to wait for as long as ten years to move into subsidised housing. this comes as hmrc data suggests that more immigrants have filled jobs than brits in the last five years. now, considering the scarcity of council housing, is this u—turn really that fair? well, i'm still joined in the studio by gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and the former conservative mp daniel kawczynski. daniel as this was a

conservative policy that's been scrapped by angela rayner. let's start with you, lee anderson was very quick in the mix on this one, saying here we go. who didn't see this coming? brits are now on the back of the queue when it comes to social housing. what are your thoughts? >> well, i have to say i agree with lee anderson. i think certainly when i was a member of parliament, there was a lot of concern expressed to me by my constituents that people some in certain cases, some people who had broken the law to get into this country, paid criminal gangs money that they knew was being used for other criminal activity, that they would be treated in the same way as indigenous british people. i think that is not the case in many other european countries. i think many other european countries have special policies to prioritise their own indigenous people. so i'm very disappointed by the actions of angela rayner . angela rayner. >> nigel, wasn't so long ago. people like gordon brown, you say things like british jobs for british people and social

housing for those who need it. the most, was taken as a given that brits will be put first. a lot of people cynically said the labour party will put asylum seekers, they'll put immigrants before the brits and now they've been proven right, haven't they? >> no, because they're not putting it, but putting immigrants before brits that when it comes to down social housing, social housing predominantly should be allocated based on need, not based on your nationality. 90% of homes actually go to british nationals . lots of local nationals. lots of local authorities have local connection tests if you're on the housing list, but that's because more than 90% of the population are british nationals. >> well, the point is disproportionately, you are considered by this new government as more worthwhile of a social house today. not in the past. today, if you come from overseas and you're an asylum seeker, even if you came here illegally. >> but it comes, it comes down, down to a question of need. but you know, that's that is the absolute point here. if somebody is on the streets with children,

children, family gets priority, then they will have social housing provided no matter where you come from with your british, whether you whether you come from abroad, that's fine. this is not prioritising asylum seekers over british people, purely those in need over , over purely those in need over, over somebody else. >> but ten year waiting list. no ten year waiting lists for brits. it's a supply and demand issue. it stands to reason it's absolutely logical that if we have a paucity of supply of social housing and we have 18,000 illegal immigrants already this year who've arrived, they're closing the hotels. we've already been told they'll be dispersed into communities if they're not put into social housing, they'll be put into houses that need to be bought by the government, bought by serco. that will put prices up in communities. the net effect is a simple supply and demand issue and that is brits are being forced out of the market. >> well, i mean, when i was an mp , i had to spend a huge amount mp, i had to spend a huge amount of time trying to get a five star hotel in the centre of

shrewsbury closed for asylum seekers, because obviously that facility was extremely important to our tourism industry . but at to our tourism industry. but at the end of the day, i want to drive out immigration from being in the top five issues at any general election. the british people are some of the most tolerant and welcoming people in the world. i speak as an immigrant to this country myself, coming from communist poland in 1978, and all i saw when i came here as an immigrant is tolerance , kindness, is tolerance, kindness, hospitality from the british people. and yet when they see, a huge number of people coming from overseas and. okay, nigel says that they're not prioritised to a degree over british people, but at the end of the day, being treated. let's say, in the same way as indigenous british people, when the british people have to wait for such a time that breeds a certain amount of concern and exasperation amongst amongst our indigenous people. >> thank you for that, dan. let's move on to this other story on immigrant labour.

immigrants are now filled more jobs in the uk since the pandemic. 1.5 million new roles have been created since the pandemic, 488,000 of those have been filled by indians, 279,000 by nigerians, a 206% increase and only 257 of them, thousand of them have been filled by british citizens. and when we look into that data, nigel, the clear inference is that this is low paid, low skilled work. this precisely proves, does it not, that we have an economy that's dependent on cheap foreign laboun dependent on cheap foreign labour, which shoves brits out of the job market? >> well, well, they shove brits out of the job market or not, i don't know, but certainly we have had an economy, reliant on cheap foreign labour. that's changed that the, the last government changed the rule whereby shortage occupation list people could come over on 20% less, getting 20% less money

than a british worker. and that encouraged bosses to employ them . encouraged bosses to employ them. we've, rishi sunak reversed bons we've, rishi sunak reversed boris johnson's reduction in skill visa thresholds. so now it's now a skill visa. you have to be able to get the income here at the level of a british worker. the problem is not having the british workers. so we need some. we need these people for the economy, particularly in areas like social care , the building trade social care, the building trade at the moment, they've got to build 1.5 million more houses under labour's policies. but people we said during the brexit referendum, people were saying in 2013, 2012, to me, those precise bricklayers, lorry drivers, care workers , factory drivers, care workers, factory workers, brickies, plasterers , workers, brickies, plasterers, sparkies, they were saying they were getting priced out of the market by the influx of cheap foreign labour. >> then it was the european union. that's right. now it's the non—eu, the same problem exists, nigel. it'sjust a exists, nigel. it's just a different way of supplying low wage jobs. and that has the net

effect, the same net effect of making brits unable to take that work. they have higher overheads. >> but the argument from the construction trade, which at the moment only has 1 in 5 foreign workers actually doing it from 40% during pre—brexit, which are mostly european workers, their argument is they can't get the people one in, 1 in 5 construction workers are over 50. they'll be retiring soon because it's a back breaking job. apprenticeships are down by a third. so what they can't get is british workers. if we're going to get into a massive house building programme, where are those people going to come from? >> daniel, before we make this too much of an attack on the labour party, it's fair to say the conservative party didn't really shower themselves in glory in terms of the number of immigrants coming into the country absolutely spiralled. 2 million, i believe, since the conservatives were in power in the last two years before the labour party got in and some of the measures here, the 20% below market rate, wage for care home workers, that was a conservative policy . so both of the main

policy. so both of the main parties haven't exactly performed spectacularly in this front. but how do we get to the bottom of this? how do we stop it? is it acceptable that we're importing and the thick end of 750,000 people from india and nigeria alone, when we got quarter of a million brits offering the same jobs , offering the same jobs, languishing often on benefits, trapped into those low paid jobs or on benefits in those towns, it's simply withering away. >> yes, of course that's an issue. and the problem? and of course, this new labour government is going to have to really consider all the matrix of how people can apply to work and live here in the united kingdom in order to try to bring the overall levels down. but one thing which worries me more is actually the exodus of brits away from this country. there are now over 400,000 british professionals living in the united arab emirates. some of our the creme de la creme of our professional class are leaving

this country to go to jurisdictions like the united. yeah, but the net immigration, the net immigration last year was 685,000. >> so 400,000 might believe. but the net impact and they might be the net impact and they might be the highest skill people going to the uae. but this is about low skilled labour coming in and hammering the working class brits who just can't compete. >> absolutely very, very high skilled british workers are leaving and low skilled workers are coming into the country. and of course, you know, if they are, if it can be proved that they are reducing the wages of they are reducing the wages of the sparkies, the bricklayers and the others, and there will be reverberations on that as well for this labour government. but of course, neither party has performed well on immigration. and one of the reasons we were kicked out of office after 14 years is because we failed to give the british people the confidence that they expected these borders to be managed and controlled, for and the

immigration system to work for the benefit of the united kingdom. >> and if we're allowed a conversation on immigration, that's a challenge that still faces this government, the labour party. thank you, nigel, thank you daniel. now rows have erupted in a small norfolk village over whether to fly the union flag. we'll be from some locals on this topic

welcome back to the show . so welcome back to the show. so today, one of one of locals in the rural village of claxton in norfolk have voiced concerns over the flying of the union flag outside their village hall. after two weeks of rioting in the uk , residents of claxton the uk, residents of claxton feel that a display of the union flag could prove to be divisive and that there is a fine line between patriotism and nationalism. now, in a bid to erect bunting instead. is this an unnecessary overreaction? well, our national reporter,

charlie peters, was in claxton earlier today and he spoke to some locals . some locals. >> the union flag, a symbol of unity or one of division. >> we'll hear in claxton, a village in norfolk for some, the cloth of our country is considered a divisive symbol that could be associated with nationalism. >> in may, the village hall committee for the building just behind me decided they wanted to erect a flagpole here in the centre of the village in order to display our national flag. but at a parish council meeting last month set to pass the motion, some people spoke from the floor and said that there were links with the national flag and nationalism, saying that it was a fine line between patriotism and nationalism. one man speaking for 15 minutes saying that he preferred to see bunting and not the union flag on a flag pole due to those so—called negative connotations. well, in this village of 300,

the majority one and the union flag will be raised high and proud here in this village in norfolk. and one local, dick thompson, gave me his response to those trying to stop the national flag from being flown . national flag from being flown. >> i think i'm very patriotic. i think we should have a flagpole. definitely want the union jack up when, when and when is necessary. i don't like to see lots of other flags up, i must say, but i can't see where there's any. great. but there's only 1 or 2 against it. it's not everybody . everybody. >> some people have said that the union flag could be a sign of nationalism, and that it was, and that it was divisive. what's your reaction to that? >> is it rubbish? that's a load of rubbish. it's not divisive. it's our flag. we should show. every country shows the flags . every country shows the flags. >> well, other locals i've spoken to here today told me that the main complaint against the flag being displayed later turned up at a birthday party in the village. and what greeted him when he walked in? well, a

large union flag on the wall. sources close to the party told gb news that the man did not leave, so clearly the national flag in some circumstances doesn't offend those who want to stop it from being flown on a flagpole here in claxton . flagpole here in claxton. >> superb story there and well done. hats off to dick thompson, faith and humanity restores james daly of rubbish and a joyous part of that story is that the individual who complained , apparently at a complained, apparently at a pansh complained, apparently at a parish council meeting, was ianed parish council meeting, was invited to a children's party, and when he turned up the garage was full of union flags. he walked into his worst nightmare. he was trolled by the locals , he was trolled by the locals, faith restored in humanity. and joining me now is henry smith, the former conservative mp who had previously called for the government to create a minister that would protect the uk flag. welcome to the show, henry. now these kind of stories are annoyingly common. it seems to me that we have this inbuilt shame of our national flag and how telling henry that an actual

fact you don't need permission to fly the pride flag in britain, but you do need permission to fly. the union flag sums up britain well. >> i think it's very sad that we have this oversensitivity from some, and i very much agree with that villager dick, in terms of his reaction to that, many other countries, most other countries around the world fly their national flags outside town halls, village halls, many countries have the national flag displayed in school classrooms as well . as well. >> that's an idea that i think we perhaps should visit in this country. the union flag . the country. the union flag. the clue is in the title. it is about being united. it's about being together as a country. the flag doesn't belong to any one particular group or political party. it is something that should unite us all and something that we should all be very proud to fly. when we have

an opportunity to do that, just look at the olympic games, where athletes, when they won their medals would wrap themselves in the union jack. medals would wrap themselves in the union jack . fantastic. the union jack. fantastic. i think we need more of that, not less . less. >> and yet henry smith, we see now the union flag being increasingly politicised, and we've seen that happen during the recent riots. we saw a position in the past where the saint george's flag was shorthand for football hooliganism, shorthand for being far right . we're seeing that at far right. we're seeing that at the moment on steroids. the flag is being tainted. it's being assimilated as a badge of shame. how do we kick that idea down the road? how do you make people particularly for the political left, take pride in the national flag, rather than taking pride in just the pride flag? >> well, we did see the saint george's cross in the 70s and 80s used in a negative way, but that's a great example of how the flag was reclaimed by

football fans and indeed people across the country more broadly, as a proud flag to fly representing england . and the representing england. and the same has to be for the union jack as well. what is quite interesting is that in the recent riots and protests that we saw, actually in many cases we saw, actually in many cases we saw, actually in many cases we saw both sides of those protests actually carrying union flags, and that i think , is flags, and that i think, is a source of, some, something to be take comfort in, in the fact that people feel that they want to express their being british and the values that being british means. and i think displaying the flag is something that we should all do, if we want to. i display the flag as i'm doing behind behind me. my union jack blanket that i've got behind me, on my sofa, it's something that i think is really important, for us to be able to

come together and celebrate all the good things about britain. britain is admired throughout the world, and the union jack is an iconic symbol around the world. it's actually one of the coolest symbols , considered in coolest symbols, considered in many countries. so i think we should take pride in that and fly it very proudly outside our village halls, town halls, private homes as well. >> superb. henry smith, always a pleasure to have your company on the show. thank you forjoining the show. thank you for joining us. now coming up, it's the state of the nation and i'm joined by tom harwood. of course, he's covering for jacob rees mogg. what's on your menu? >> goodness me. well, 703 people crossed the english channel in small boats yesterday alone. i think there's been an eye taken off the ball here. quite rightly. there's been a lot of things going on, on, on british soil, but actually looking at what's happened in the channel in the meantime, we're going to turn the focus back there because there is a crisis in the

engush because there is a crisis in the english channel, boats coming across on a daily basis in some of the highest numbers we've ever seen. but of course, we're also going to look at the law and order breakdown in the united kingdom, stabbings in broad daylight. we're expecting perhaps some more information on that, but also the crisis of free speech in the united kingdom tonight, the world's richest man, elon musk, sits down with, potentially the next president of the united states, donald trump, in a live interview. it's 1 donald trump, in a live interview. it's1 a.m. our time. interview. it's 1 am. our time. but i wonder , will they touch but i wonder, will they touch upon what's happening in the united kingdom? it seems to be occupying a lot of elon musk's time and mind. occupying a lot of elon musk's time and mind . now. time and mind. now. >> we've got a quick second. do you think the labour party is going to put draconian free speech laws in place in britain? >> i think there will be one thing that they will do very quickly. do you remember the legal but harmful clause of the onune legal but harmful clause of the online safety act that was taken out by the conservatives? i think the labour party are going to put it right back in there. there are policy experts who expect that to happen, really blooming soon, and that's going to have a very chilling effect on legal but harmful speech. >> so if tom harwood, that's next on state of the nation.

thanks for joining next on state of the nation. thanks forjoining me. i'll be back at 3:00 tomorrow and the martin daubney show. but first, it's your weather with annie shuttleworth. have a great evening. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb. news weather on. gb. news >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news, weather update brought to you from the met office. clear skies for many tonight will make for good viewing conditions of the meteor shower. it's going to be a fresher night as well compared to last night, but rain will spread into western areas such as this area of low pressure developing out to the west will drag in the next weather front. this cold front, though still clearing across the far southeast through this evening, southeast through this evening, so still a risk of some thundery downpours at least at first this evening. but then it will turn much drier and clearer across the whole of the uk. as i said, good viewing conditions for the meteor shower for many of us, while it's dark temperatures falling away a little lower than last night quite widely 12 to 14 degrees in towns and cities . degrees in towns and cities. still a little bit hotter and more humid across the south and

east. however, now the breeze is going to pick up across western coast through tuesday morning. we could see some fairly heavy outbreaks of rain at first across parts of west wales, south—west england spreading into northern ireland and western areas of scotland as well. eastern areas, though, are bright and sunny, start to the day. temperatures around 15 or 16 degrees, with lighter winds feeling quite pleasant in that sunshine. first thing, however, the winds will start to pick up across northwestern areas. around this area of low pressure. western scotland in particular, seeing a pretty breezy afternoon and this wet weather will push further inland quite slowly, but it will continue to bring cloudier skies to much of wales, southwest england , northern england, much england, northern england, much of scotland too, turning brighter behind it across northern ireland and plenty of sunshine through a lot of the day across eastern areas of england. and here temperatures still climbing towards the high 20s, so still a pretty warm day across eastern areas of england tomorrow. that wet weather will unger tomorrow. that wet weather will linger across eastern areas of england, though through wednesday morning and elsewhere

it will be a much drier and brighter day, still feeling fairly pleasant in the sunshine, but nowhere near as warm as it is at the moment. and then , is at the moment. and then, looking ahead to thursday, it looks like a more widely wetter day. however, the sunshine is set to return for friday. temperatures around average for the rest of the week. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news

>> well . >> well. >> well. >> good evening. it's me tom harwood sitting in for the inimitable sir jacob rees—mogg, who's taking a well—deserved august break on state of the nation. tonight. law and order in crisis as yet another horrific stabbing takes place in broad daylight on our streets . broad daylight on our streets. how has crime and disorder spiralled so out of control? two political titans lock horns over

liberty. reform party leader nigel farage claims keir starmer is the biggest threat to free speech in our country's history, and the prime minister has hit back with number 10, saying he disagrees completely. who's right ? meanwhile, 703 people right? meanwhile, 703 people crossed the channel in small boats yesterday alone. tory leadership hopeful james cleverly blames labour's rhetoric for record numbers. but is the former home secretary just passing the buck for his party's failures to stop the boats and a sleepy norfolk village hits the headlines today as a local row breaks out over whether to fly the union jack. the parish council was told flying our country's flag over the village hall was too divisive . we'll try to make divisive. we'll try to make sense of that one with a local politician . state of the nation politician. state of the nation starts now .

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