alone turns out, though, i'm not alone because a poll out today says that 62% of brits feel the same way as me. are you one of them? if so, tell me why. and if indeed you do care, tell me who do you think then it should be? and a simple question for you. do you think brits should be prioritised for social . do you think brits should be prioritised for social. housing? all of that and more. but first, the 6:00 news headlines . the 6:00 news headlines. >> michelle, thank you very much indeed. and good evening to you. just after 6:00, the top story tonight, the prime minister is said to be considering a judge led public inquiry into the nottingham stabbings last june. it comes after the health secretary today acknowledged the nhs made multiple and fundamental failures in the care given to valdo calocane, who killed grace o'malley—kumar , killed grace o'malley—kumar, barnaby webber and ian coates last year. the trust involved, though, insists it has improved.

but wes streeting says their deaths could and should have been prevented. >> what the care quality commission have uncovered is deeply distressing. most of all for the families of grace, barnaby and ian, who in addition to having to deal with the unbearable and unimaginable grief they're going through, are doing so in the knowledge that this could have been prevented and should have been prevented, that there wasn't a single point of failure, but multiple and fundamental failures on the part of the nhs to manage valdo calocane treatment in a way that not only kept him safe, but most importantly kept others safe. >> in other news, today, a 32 year old man has appeared in court accused of stabbing an 11 year old tourist in london's leicester square. johan pinnock has been charged with attempted murder and possessing a bladed article. prosecutors claim members of the public intervened when the girl was attacked just before lunchtime yesterday, and it was thought the girl's mother

had also been hurt. however, it's been confirmed now that the blood from her daughter's injuries had been mistaken for injuries had been mistaken for injuries of her own . a 13 year injuries of her own. a13 year old girl whose prosecutor has. let's start that one again. a 13 let's start that one again. a13 year old girl who prosecutors allege punched and kicked the door of a hotel housing asylum seekers, has pleaded guilty to threatening unlawful violence. the teenager, who can't be named due to her age, is one of several convicted today after recent riots and she'll be sentenced at basingstoke magistrates court on the 30th of september. police have launched an urgent appeal to find a missing 12 year old girl from sittingbourne in kent. katie spice was last seen 15 miles away at canterbury east train station around 5:00 on sunday evening. you can see here on tv the latest cctv images showing katie wearing black leggings and a pink top. police are now urging anyone who may have seen her or knows where she is, to call 999. conservative

leadership hopeful tom tugendhat has accused the prime minister, sir keir starmer, of a failure of leadership over the disorder. over the last two weeks, the former security minister said the disorder seen on the uk's streets was completely unacceptable and he condemned racist thugs as he opened a speech in central london. >> this has been the government's first real test and the prime minister fell short when we needed a strong government, we got a party in the mindset of opposition. we needed a leader, we got a lawyer waiting for the case to reach court. you have to be determined and aware throughout. you have to be ready to do the job from day one in ukraine, president volodymyr zelenskyy has told the russian leader that the war is coming home in his most direct challenge to vladimir putin since the conflict began.

>> it comes a week after a surprise counter—attack on the kursk region of russia . kursk region of russia. ukraine's military says it does now control a 1000 square kilometre border area . kilometre border area. meanwhile, all of ukraine is currently under an air raid alert amid recent russian drone attacks. and this morning, two ballistic missile strikes . here, ballistic missile strikes. here, an inquest into the death of former england cricketer graham thorpe has opened today, after his wife revealed the sportsman tragically took his own life. the inquest heard mr thorpe died after being struck by a train at after being struck by a train at a railway station in surrey. tributes have now flooded in for the late cricketer after his death on the 5th of august. his family have since revealed he'd been suffering from depression and anxiety . and if you or and anxiety. and if you or anyone you may know is suffering with mental health, you can of course get help and support from samaritans via their website samaritans.org or call 116123. and in sport england cricket

captain ben stokes has been sidelined for the rest of the summer after a scan has revealed he suffered a torn hamstring. the 33 year old had to be helped off the field in sunday's match against northern superchargers. ollie pope will now lead the team in his place for the three match series against sri lanka, which starts next week. stokes, though, is still aiming to be fit in time for october's tour of pakistan . and finally, of pakistan. and finally, a ninth animal themed banksy artwork has appeared overnight, this time at london zoo. the latest piece has been sprayed onto the entrance and shows a gorilla appearing to lift up the barrier and let the animals escape. staff at the zoo, though, have been asked if the elusive artist was spotted on tv, but of course they're not giving anything away . those are giving anything away. those are the latest headlines for now. i'm sam francis, back with you for your next update at 7:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com.

>> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much for that. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. i like that latest banksy. did you see the previous one where he did i think i can't remember which animal it was on a satellite dish, and within a nanosecond, someone had come along and nicked it. and the street sign always gets me thinking. what on earth do you do with those things? so when you've stolen this massive satellite dish that's apparently worth a fortune, to whom do you approach to try and sell this thing ? the mind boggles, doesn't thing? the mind boggles, doesn't it? anyway, i'm with you till seven alongside me, the former conservative mp and chairman sir jake berry, and the journalist and commentator judith da silva. and commentatorjudith da silva. good evening to both of you. you're very welcome , as are each you're very welcome, as are each and every one of you at home tonight . you can get in touch tonight. you can get in touch with me all the usual ways you can email gb views @gbnews. com you can go to the website which is gbnews.com/yoursay where you

talk to me and each other. or of course you can tweet or x me. but look, did any of you see that programme last night that was on about that horrendous, attack in nottingham? i remember covering it on this story actually, on this show, it stopped us all in our tracks. of course. i'm speaking of that multiple, the stabbing, barnaby webber, grace o'malley—kumar and ian curtis. now, i've got to say, there was a documentary out last night that looked at it from the perspective of the killer's family. the killer obviously being valdo calocane, the amount of failings. i can't even tell you so many different failings, every single step . failings, every single step. actually, i'd love to say it was one just person or one service that failed. it seemed to be multiple failings, and the result was, as we were just explaining there, multiple people, very sadly lost their lives. i mean, where to even begin with this ? so the bbc was begin with this? so the bbc was actually even criticised for

showing this documentary from the perspectives of the killer's family . there's a lot of family. there's a lot of criticism there. do you think on that first point they were right to do that? >> well, i think, michel, it was an interesting programme. i watched part of it myself, and i think it is quite important that we hear all sides of this story, because what we're going to hear now and we've heard it today from the government, is a call to have another public inquiry looking at the failings. we've had far too many of them. i think we know what is going wrong and it's time, actually, that we concentrated on solutions rather than having another period where we ask all the same questions over and over again. >> well, let's look at wes streeting then, because he's obviously come out. i don't know what this is on the screen. can you see that? is that my eyes going funny? are we showing some bizarre stripes? well, if you are seeing stripes, it's not just my eyeballs. we will fix that. apologies, but let's just look at wes streeting and see what he has to say on the m atter. >> matter. >> what the care quality commission have uncovered is deeply distressing . most of all,

deeply distressing. most of all, for the families of grace , for the families of grace, barnaby and ian, who in addition to having to deal with the unbearable and unimaginable grief they're going through, are doing so in the knowledge that this could have been prevented and should have been prevented, that there wasn't a single point of failure, but multiple and fundamental failures on the part of the nhs to manage valdo calocane treatment in a way that not only kept him safe, but most importantly kept others safe. >> well, the mum emma webber, she's the mum of barnaby. she's been quite upset, that actually the family, the story are getting the kind of hearing that they've been getting. and she was also speaking out. she was on gb news earlier on today. look you read the report if anybody's reading the report or even reading the headlines, you can see that there was gross negligence, >> and catastrophic failures which directly led to this individual not being treated properly, not being sectioned

properly, not being sectioned properly, even, and being released out into the community, if you're at that level, if you're a senior decision maker in the nhs, in, in medicine, i would say the same within police forces as well . and you don't do forces as well. and you don't do yourjob properly, then forces as well. and you don't do your job properly, then you forces as well. and you don't do yourjob properly, then you have your job properly, then you have to be held to account. >> so there's so much that i want to get into about what she was just saying. but this first point about whether or not this documentary should have gone ahead or not, do you think that that was the right thing to do? >> in theory, it is the right thing to do. but i do feel like in tragedies like this, the sentiments of the family of the victims should always take precedence. the theory, the idea, the motivation being that what can always happen is that you have a vacuum of sentiment that people will think, oh, the family must have known. what could they have done? why didn't they help? when you have full disclosure from every party, you can then make an informed judgement as people looking at this, assessing this event happening because what you'll see is that when she tried to say hold him in hospital until i get there, they didn't help the

mother . when he get there, they didn't help the mother. when he was diagnosed, she wasn't informed until months. even years later. so information wasn't even given to his immediate dependents so that he could be. they could offer any level of care they could have. but i do admit that there should be sensitivity towards the parents of the victims who might feel this is too triggering to handle in this way at this time. >> yeah, maybe too soon. >> yeah, maybe too soon. >> well, the program started, didn't it, with all these lovely family photos of valdo and, you know, like , oh, here he is. what know, like, oh, here he is. what was it, his first bike or his first football or stuff like that painting this picture of this guy. and i thought, god, if i was the mum of one of those teenagers or a relative of ian curtis that was killed as well, you know, i would be really quite unhappy with this kind of positioning of all this . you positioning of all this. you know, he was a nice guy, really. and the brother, when he was interviewed and he was asked a question, do you have any regrets? you. valda actually called the brother after he'd killed the two teenagers and said, you know , he's done a bad said, you know, he's done a bad thing. and the brother was asked, then do you have any regrets for not getting in touch, perhaps with the police

or anything like that? and he just kind of said, well, you know, what could i have done? and obviously then valdo went on to kill, again and hurt three other people. seriously. these failings, though, because we just heard wes streeting talking about it there. we heard emma barnaby's mum talking about it there. we hear this all the time. every time something bad happens, it is the same old story. we'll do this inquiry. lessons will be learned, things will change. lessons are never learnt. there might be written down in a document. they never learn. these things happen over and over and over again. they cost the public fortunes. jake. all of these inquiries, why are we so bad at actually trying to prevent horrendous things in the first place? >> well , so first place? >> well, so looking at first place? >> well , so looking at the first place? >> well, so looking at the nhs and why that is so bad and the police as well, we heard mentioned by one of the parents there, it's because there isn't a culture in our public services of people taking responsibility. it's refer and forget. so someone in a meeting said in this case, if we're not very careful, this individual valdo calocane could end up killing

people. and he did just a matter of months. less than a few years later . now, what i think we need later. now, what i think we need isn't another public inquiry. i read a lot of the statements by the nhs hospital managers. lessons will be learned. it's just meaningless management speak. just meaningless management speak . what we need is a culture speak. what we need is a culture where someone says, i have this concern, i will take it all the way to the top and i won't stop pursuing this matter until i know to my satisfaction that it has been dealt with properly. unfortunately, that culture does not exist within public services. so if we're if we can learn one thing from that is we need to try and instil a way of making sure that that happens. maybe it's naming and shaming people who mentioned it but didn't take any action. maybe it's heaven forfend firing some people who got this wrong, which we never see in the public sector, but something has to change. and another public inquiry happening under the labour party, but exactly the same if it happened when i was in government under the tories, will not change this. we need to

see a cultural change and that needs to be driven from the top. >> i've got a question for you, but before i do, what do you think? >> i do agree with that to an extent, because i do. on the point you made before about this, showing the story of valdo and his life story. i think the way it's being handled is a bit insensitive, but the purpose of doing that is anyone watching. when you see how a normal child can so degenerate to what this man became, it's telling everyone to identify red flags because there is no one size fits all, which is a template for someone with, with paranoid schizophrenia . so seeing him go schizophrenia. so seeing him go from normal to a killer is something people should be aware of because you never know who could be the innocent child next door who begins to present with certain behaviours that you should alert people to. but i do agree with the point that there has to be collaboration between the medical community and also the medical community and also the police , because there was a the police, because there was a point made that when the doctor said that he is going to go on to kill, it's alarmed people who reviewed it, because doctors

don't speak in such definitive terms like that. they're trained to be cautious, but obviously presented with such extreme behaviour. he was confident enough to say that that should alert that you step in and you section and put lock this person down for a long period of time as opposed to, like you said, defer or refer it to someone else. see everything in society has become about being kind and not being offensive, and all the rest of it. >> and we used to have. and people will get offended by this term. it's not my term, it's how they used to be known. you used to have asylums essentially, for people that were very mentally unstable. there was this very deliberate move in the 80s to try and move from institutionalisation into getting people into the community. there was lots of effort made to kind of destigmatize all of this stuff, and that's really great for the people that are, you know, suffering with this mental illness and the people that love those people. but for the rest of the community, when we seem to have people with quite severe

mental illness wandering around in the community where, let's face it, the services don't seem to be fit for purpose in terms of monitoring and managing and supporting those people. it leaves people feeling quite unsafe, and it gets me wondering whether or not we need to start having conversations about reintroducing some of those, places where people used to be kept safe from themselves and everyone else kept safe from them. >> i think the problem was what what the asylums became, because they almost became a social dustbin for communities unwanted . dustbin for communities unwanted. that's why the degeneration of that whole institution and that structure fell down. what it has to be used for is similar to what they do in countries in europe and in america, where it's a clinic for treatment for. but extended treatment and also for psychiatric study , because for psychiatric study, because this is a test case for you to understand. how does someone deteriorate, deteriorate to this degree and how does it present early when they said that it was he was in uni, when he first

said, i'm hearing voices, then you think of cases like the son of sam. these are the kinds of things that have happened before. and if you identify them early, it's not. you can almost intervene to a point where it won't degenerate so far. and that's what these quote unquote asylums should be, which is places for case studies. and also for treatment, >> one of my viewers last night, because i mentioned i was going to talk about this, one of my viewers, a lady called cynthia, i don't know if you're watching tonight, but if you are. hello. you're welcome. she was explaining. she emailed me. she said that, one of her relatives used to work at helena chard hellingly. i think that's how you say it. hellingly hospital in east sussex. she was explaining that she absolutely loved her job. she loved her loved herjob. she loved her patients and said that the staff protected them, the patients, because they were scared of the outside world and she said, and it really stuck with me. she said it wasn't a case of locking the people away, but it was more locking the world that they didn't understand out. and that really struck me. because sometimes society as it is , it's sometimes society as it is, it's not. it's not for everyone. there's a lot of , people that do

there's a lot of, people that do struggle and all the rest of it, and some of those asylums were doing horrendous things, absolutely inhumane things. and it's good and it's right and it's good and it's right and it's proper that those things do not exist anymore. but i just wonder if we've gone too far in terms of everyone now just being in the community. >> i think you're absolutely spot on with this. just because something was done badly several decades ago doesn't mean we can't do it well now does it? it is absolutely the case that we do not have enough mental health inpatient capacity in this country. about a third of people in prison shouldn't actually be there because they're suffering from mental illness. they're in the wrong place. they should be able to go backwards and i'm not saying they should all be let out, but they should be able to go and get treatment and then be sent back to prison to serve the rest of their sentence. and i can tell you, when i was the member of parliament, we often had a situation where people would have a severe mental health issue and the nearest mental health inpatient bed available to them could be an hour and a half, two hours away,

so the family could provide no support. there is a massive argument in favour of really upping the number of these. they used to be called asylums. let's call them mental health inpatient institutions. whatever you want to call them. it will relieve the pressure we have in our prison population. but most importantly of all, michelle, as you and your viewers quite correctly point out, it will keep people safe . let's have keep people safe. let's have a look at what happened to calocane. despite not taking his medicine, being persistently violent , undertaking eight violent, undertaking eight separate risk assessments that said he wasn't safe, he was released to the care of his gp because there was nowhere else for him to go and that is why these three people are dead . these three people are dead. thatis these three people are dead. that is the long and short of it, and that's why we do need to massively increase the amount of mental health capacity for people to remain and be detained in this country. >> yeah, i was looking according to some stats i found in england, there are 17,789 mental health beds, it was saying that for comparison, in the 1950s you had 150,000 psychiatric beds and apparently the uk is some of the

lowest number of psychiatric bedsin lowest number of psychiatric beds in europe. currently we've got 31 beds per 100,000 people. the eu average is 73. of those beds per 100,000 inhabitants. and also, i speak to a lot of you guys every day. many of you are police officers or have been police officers. i feel sorry for the police these days as well, because so often they end up being some kind of, social worker getting called out to things that actually their mental health illness issues. what do you make to it? all your thoughts get in touch all the usual ways. after the break, 62% of people apparently don't who the next tory leader is. do

hi there, michelle dewberry with you. cell seven jake berry. andrew da silva remain alongside me. one of my viewers has just got in touch . when we were just got in touch. when we were just talking about accountability and all of these failings so often

in public services, one of my viewers, michael, says, michelle, i want to see these nhs staff responsible for the failings on trial for criminal negligence. we spoke about accountability. do you think criminal accountability is required in some cases? >> well, i think, you know, if you're one of the parents of these murdered individuals or a relative of them, i think you would think that was a reasonable thing to say. you cannot continue with a culture where there is no repercussions for people who do not, in my view, do their job properly and view, do theirjob properly and make sure that these things are deau make sure that these things are dealt with, whether it's criminal or civil. something has to change. >> jo white remember sharon shoesmith? anyone remember a baby? p when you board, remind yourself about that story. she got most upset that she felt that she was a scapegoat. i'll leave you to make your own conclusions on that one. look, let's talk about the tory leadership and a simple question for you all at home. do you care who the next tory leader is? of course. remind ourselves. we've got tom tugendhat, we've got priti patel , mel stride kemi priti patel, mel stride kemi badenoch, robert jenrick and james cleverly. they are battling it out. i've got to

say, i don't really care who wins the next tory leadership. and i was thinking, is that bad of me? but get this, a poll came out today saying 62% of people are not bothered either. are you one of those, jake berry, why do you think this is first and foremost that no one really cares? >> well, it's always the case, actually. if you look back at the polling from labour leadership elections when you were in opposition government in this country is basically designed to make opposition largely irrelevant. and we've got a very split and small opposition at the moment. when you're in opposition, people are interested in anything you do , interested in anything you do, really, until you get nearer to an election and also the other thing is leadership. elections are by their very nature, an internal discussion within a party about what goods it's going to put, who it's going to put in its shop window to try and win the next election. it's only when you get to that point of dressing your shop window and saying, this is the person we think should or could be the next prime minister of the

united kingdom, that people start to become interested in it, including the media, who i don't think are giving this much attention. but that isn't unusual. >> so par for the course. nothing to see here. no one cares and that's normal. do you agree with that? >> not really, because when you look at the state of the tory party now, it's a question of evenin party now, it's a question of even in opposition, they're in such disarray and so fractured they can't even be a functional opposition. and when you look at the kinds of obstacles that the labour party has to face now that they're in leadership, it is fertile ground for a unified party to really exploit and magnify every mistake they make. but you will not be able to capitalise on that if you are so fractured. so right now you have a situation where there is no leadership that has the kind of rhetoric or position or platform that unifies the party. >> did you take a lot of interest in the labour party leadership when keir starmer was elected? yes, i did. who were the other candidates who stood against him? >> was irrelevant to me because, well, so you didn't take that much interest? >> i don't know, i don't know. i was once in my job to be

interested. >> i'm invested in someone. i then start scrutinising. just then. >> but people in the united kingdom do not take opposition parties leadership elections. you can see it across the years. no one knew who put up against david cameron. it was david, david cameron. it was david, david cameron. it was david, david cameron. but most normal people, unless they're a politico like me, would know that this is just the way things happen when we get nearer to a general election and people are saying, do i want a farage government? and whoever the conservative leader is, let's say a kemi badenoch conservative government or a keir starmer's labour party, that is the point that the real focus comes on the other. >> but don't you think on the back of the situation, the conservative party is in, a leader that gains interest is almost like a litmus test for regaining faith in the electorate, which because, like you say, the conservatives didn't, the labour party didn't win the election. the conservatives lost it because they lost faith and confidence. should you pick a leader that galvanises interest and support, you're beginning to turn favour towards them. so when they do get the position, you know that going into a next election, you're in a better position because the country already has

interest in you. >> yeah, and that's what this process is about. i absolutely agree with you. but that's what this process is about, about trying to pick that person. you can't you know, we all might have a guess, but you don't know who it is until you've been through the process. >> aren't you concerned that no one cares right now because they should at least have some kind of motivation? >> well, i hear what you're saying 62. i wish 100% of people were interested in it, 62%. being completely disinterested is not good. i just make the point. it is normal. >> yeah, but i think you're deluding yourself a little bit. >> well, you always tell me this mish rahman i do, i do, i can't because i just think i can't get my head around how so few tories seem to understand how bad people who previously voted tory or lent you your vote in 2019, how bad those people currently feel about the tory party. >> and you will dismiss and you come on my program and you'll say stuff like, yeah, you know, this should have happened, that should have happened. and people will be screaming at their screen and saying, but you guys didn't do it when you had the chance and when you say, now, oh

yeah, no one cares. and that's just because it's par for the course and how the system is and whatever, whatever. i think that you're not, you're not either. you're either not understanding, which i don't think is true, because i think you're a very bright guy, or you're just turning a blind eye to the fact that people, people have such dislike of the tories. they lent you your their vote and you just basically scrunched it up, chucked it in their face, and in many cases made their life so much worse when you'd promised to make their life so much better and they want to see the back of you guys and they don't care what happens to you. and that's why you're seeing this. >> we cross swords, michelle, on this last time and i walked away thinking, i wish i'd said this. so let me have a go at saying it. go on. first of all, this is a poll of the public. it's not a poll of conservative voters. i'm sure if you did a poll of conservative voters, definitely conservative voters, definitely conservative members, the interest level would be much, much higher. but at the last general election, the conservative party got an absolute battering. we lost 170 seats. that is a that is an absolute disgraceful third of

tory voters in this same poll said that even they don't care who's who takes this job. >> so it's not just broader public, but it means that two thirds do care. >> and as i said, it would be much higher. that is significantly higher than two thirds. not caring is it? the numbers match up quite well, but the job of the new conservative party leader and the part of this process is to step back, say we let the public down badly. we lost the trust of the public. how do we change that? funnily enough, in a similar way as keir starmer did after the labour party had their worst general election results since the 1930s. back in 2019, and turned it round in five years to put them in an election winning position. i don't dismiss it at all. the conservative party, if it ever wants to be in power again, has got a lot of lessons to learn. we've got a lot of people to say sorry to, and we've got a lot of people to prove to that we are fit to be the next government, and that is the next government, and that is the job of the next leader. whoever he or she may be.

>> well, i was looking at tom tugendhat and i think there's a lot of rhetoric coming out about nigel farage at the moment. and i think obviously people saw what happened with reform. you got 4 million people voted for reform. you've had all those people popped up at their, what they thought was their office at they thought was their office at the weekend, calling everyone basically who voted for them racist, fascist, you name it, and so on. and so forth. tom tugendhat, he made some interesting comments about nigel farage. >> look after the attack on those little girls in southport. nigel farage claimed the truth is being withheld from us. later he justified amplifying this false information by saying he had believed influences like andrew tate and chose to condemn the breakdown of law and order preceding the riots. but not the riots themselves. i want to be clear this is not leadership . clear this is not leadership. >> see, many people will think that this kind of attack from people like tom on farage, it's

kind of coming with an agenda because people are desperately trying to pull smear reform as much as you can to try and make individuals feel grubby if they want to support them or for vote them. and that's how you then will pull people back to the tories. but i find this strange, because surely you'll pull people back to the tories, not by battering competition, but by being the best that the tories can be. >> correct. >> correct. >> if the electoral strategy of the conservative party is. let's be rude about everyone who voted for reform. it's one absolutely idiotic and two bound to fail. so that is not the right strategy. but let's look at what tom said. so he criticised nigel farage for saying the truth. whether the truth is being withheld from. >> he asked he asked that question, didn't he? >> well he did now as a member of parliament, nigel farage could have phoned the home secretary, particularly as a leader of a political party, and said, tell me the information about this because i want to know. and the home secretary

would have told him, in fact, in my time in parliament, opposition mps were something very serious like this happened often got briefings from the home secretary, from the prime minister particularly their leaders always did. so you're saying some of them myself. >> yvette cooper, i think nigel was. >> i agree with tom that he was irresponsible to put that question out when, with one phone call, he could have satisfied himself of the facts rather than relying on influencers like andrew tate. what i don't agree with is also being criticised for saying that we have two tier policing in this country. well, we don't have two tier policing in this country. we have 20 tier policing in this country. whether you know whichever community you are in, the police seem to deal with you in a different way and you can look at the recent things that have happened. take the riots in leeds where the police ran away. only 27 people have been arrested and only four of them are being held on remand. i lost, lost their liberty. you compare that to the riots in southport? both disgusting. it should not have happened. but people are being held in prison and in many cases sent to

prison. not for taking part in the riots but for being there. you have people who came out of their house to have a look at what was going on and the, you know, which is, in my view, quite normal behaviour, and they are having the book thrown at them. that is evidence of two tier policing in this country. but to say it's two tier is wrong because there's about 20 tiers, because everything is deau tiers, because everything is dealt with separately and in different ways depending on how the police have been convicted for just coming out of the garden and having a look. well, there was, i think this week there was, i think this week there was, i think this week there was someone who was convicted for attending the riots . now, whether they were riots. now, whether they were just gone or they live there, but they didn't take part in it, they just were there. >> i know that in belfast they were saying that being a casual onlooker or whatever the phrase was, was enough to get you into trouble with the law, which i just think is pretty damn disgusting, actually, if you can't even stand in your own street and have a look at what is occurring without risk of arrest, i think that is awful. policing is scary. it is very scary. but that's i think that people are trying to rule with fear at the moment, make people

afraid of what they say, make people afraid of what they do in to order create people conforming with what it is that they want. kemi badenoch as well, she has been quite vocal, and i want to come to you on her in a second. i think i've got a clip of kemi that i can play for you as well. >> kemi badenoch thank you, mr speaken >> asa speaken >> as a first generation immigrant, can i welcome the home secretary's statement, which i feel this immigration white paper is a move from the 20th century to a much better future immigration system. in particular, i would like to thank the home secretary for removing the annual limits on work visas and also on international students, both of which i lobbied for on behalf of the wellcome sanger institute and anglia ruskin university, which served my constituency. could he elaborate on how removing the work visa cap in particular, will give business certainty back after the break? >> we're going to talk about that and look at kemi badenoch and some of the what do you think the tories need to do? which direction do they need to move into? i also to ask

you social housing in this country as well. should

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry till seven. former conservative mp and chairman sirjake berry and journalist and commentator judy da silva alongside me. simon, one of my viewers gets in touch and says, michelle, i'm a previous tory voter and i will confess, i don't care who is the next leader. the last five years, they didn't only let down the borrowed red wall seats, but every natural conservative he's asking, when are any of the candidates for leadership going to say sorry for the mess that they left behind? that would be a good start. he says. before the break, i was just playing you a clip from kemi badenoch, basically. i think that was in 2018, where she was basically saying she supported, immigration. that's me paraphrasing, but that's the gist of it . obviously, now we gist of it. obviously, now we see a different tone and position from her. what do you think about kemi badenoch and her thoughts on that,

>> i think it's definitely going to be a tough blow to her designs on leadership because something as polarising but as fundamental as a party's position on immigration for you to move so starkly from one position to another, it shows you to be somebody who's kind of who weathers the change. if you can't be consistent on something like that, what else would you be changeable about? and one thing that the conservative party doesn't want, i imagine they don't want is to have someone that should we give you power, would you shift your platform? they need someone they can depend on because that's how you unify behind a leader. and that kind of shift in tone and position is not a good look for someone who's trying to galvanise a fractured party. >> is that fair? >> is that fair? >> well, i think the biggest problem the conservative party has got is people don't believe what they say. they say, well, we think you say one thing to get elected and then you get in power and you do another. i mean, they're right to say that because frankly, i stood on a manifesto that said we would reduce immigration. it got completely out of hand in my

time in parliament. in fact, i repeatedly voted against my own government to try and get them to do something about it. they wouldn't listen to me, so i think that's why it's so damaging. why wouldn't they listen? well, yeah. tell me. i was just a lone voice. there was 20 of us trying to do it, but this is what i don't understand because in society, people have voted for more controls of immigration. >> so basically every election since 2010 referendum, the brexit referendum and so on and so forth. but yet i genuinely don't understand. i'm asking you as a political elite person, why don't people listen ? why? don't people listen? why? >> well, i think politics has lost touch with the british people. i know we're going to come on and talk about a few other stories, but about the social housing thing later. but you know, that really demonstrates to me that what i find really interesting is one of kemi badenoch supporters came out, rachel mclean, as she was a colleague like me, lost a seat at the last election. she says it's shameful that this video would be used to attack kemi. it's what she said. you can't run away from it in politics. you have to stand by what you

say and what you believe in. going back to tom tugendhat, i think the really interesting thing about tom, who i am supporting, so just to put it out there, is that actually what he has done rather than what he said he voted against lockdowns, further lockdowns. he didn't support boris johnson when boris johnson sought to put up national insurance. he, like me, opposed that, saying the conservative party should be a low tax party. the danger for us in this leadership election is we allow the definition of who is good or bad, right wing or left wing still to be dominated by brexit. almost a decade after the british public have had their say on it. just because you were in favour of brexit, well, just because you're in favour of brexit doesn't necessarily mean you're right wing. i think that's the reason that people regard kemi badenoch as being a staunch right winger is because of her. her position on brexit. but if you look at her voting record, i'd say tom tugendhat is the only one that i know about who voted against lockdown. he's the only one who campaigned with me to stop taxes

going up against our own government. but he's been branded as a centrist candidate. i just don't see it myself. i think he's more right wing than kemi badenoch. >> one of the things that he was, i mean, but what i mean, what if his right wing anymore? everything seems to be a right wing, far right? i mean, we're setting ourselves into such a position that if everything is pretty much right wing, where do you even go from there? i find it a little bit pathetic. >> i like to think it's just right. >> well, a lot of my viewers will say, you know, that they that they are being called far right by people like keir starmer and they regard themselves as right so far, the things that they're concerned about, they've been right to be concerned about. and we have this conversation every day anyway. look, tom tugendhat, he's also criticised keir starmer for his handling of the riots. is that fair? >> i think he needs to be careful because when you're criticising the handling and talking about different tiers of policing, the whole job of the police is that you use a show of force that's commensurate to the threat you feel you are under, or the community is under, and when they said they collaborated with local leaders dealing with

certain areas, they have to understand that if someone is attacking the police, a show of force that is directly responsive to that is valid . if responsive to that is valid. if someone isn't a direct threat to the police, a different kind of force would be applied. when he's saying that keir starmer's approach showed a wavering in leadership, what would he have had him do? the whole point is you had to be hard line. you had to show the racist rioters, the violent rioters. and one thing that i also need to want to point out is that the language being used around the different riots needs to be very precise, because if you want to have an open and honest conversation, to have one, when you get on a bus or a coach and travel somewhere to set a asylum hotel on fire and barricade the people in, that's not violent protest. that's attempted murder. so when you actually have a perceptive of the degree to which different riots have gone to, it's the proportionate approach needs to be reflective of that. and keir starmer had shown that this is going to have the kind of response that is directly, it's

directly response to something that has not happened in history for a long time. everyone will talk for the rest of time about the race riots of 2024. in britain, the whole world was talking about it. countries were saying, don't fly to the uk. the world was reacting. this was unprecedented on a global scale. yeah, i do want to say something that had to be reflected. >> this notion that that that all of these far right people got bused in to all of these places. when you actually look at the convictions and where people have been convicted of being violent in, i remember i was looking at this, i think it was looking at this, i think it was even on day one and on day one, the convictions, it was something like 82% of the people convicted lived either locally or within a five mile radius. so i don't really buy this notion that all of these far right randoms get picked up by a national express and deposited at the scene of violence. >> this keir starmer's job, in a situation like this is not to be popular or rational, it's to be effective. and what he did was scare people into backing down. so whether you like him or dislike him, the actions taken had an effect. they helped quell

the fire and fury with which those riots are now unfolding. >> for now, he's managed to quell the fire and the fury that people have for now. and i think thatis people have for now. and i think that is a very important distinction to make, because you can batter people into submission all you like, but you do not suddenly get rid of people's concerns. far from it. i always say censorship is the midwife of extremism. you don't get rid of those concerns. you push them to the more extreme fringes. look, let's talk social housing. i've been wanting to talk about this for a few days. do you think it should be prioritised to brits or not? your thoughts

hi there michelle dewberry jake berry andrew doyle da silva keeping you company in the break. we were just continuing that conversation about the rioting. what judith was calling the race riots there. you had some interesting points, jake . some interesting points, jake. >> well, it's one of those subject. we did keep going,

didn't we? but the truth is, it feels to me like keir starmer has picked a side. and, you know, you can look at the behaviour of jess phillips. she's a home office minister. herjob she's a home office minister. her job is to uphold the law. herjob is to uphold the law. there were violent protests in birmingham that she then sought to excuse on twitter . people had to excuse on twitter. people had masks, people were apparently armed with knives and machetes and she said, well, they only turned up to stop the far right. if that isn't picking sides, what is if keir starmer was serious about dealing with this, he wouldn't have taken seven days to call a cobra meeting. he would have sacked jess phillips and said it is never acceptable for home office ministers to excuse violence and criminality on our streets . and i just think on our streets. and i just think that's why people talk about this two tier policing, because it does feel like there's one rule for one set of individuals and another rule for the others, but you have to see everything in context. >> i do agree that keir starmer wasted too much time, but i can speak from my vantage point that did does everyone expect that ethnic minorities should just sit and wait and hope that

somebody comes to defend you? the images that we saw, the messages, that's going in, like our family chat group about keeping everyone safe . how long keeping everyone safe. how long do you wait until someone steps in? so when you get desperate enough, it's like when you hit doddie weir hollow. when you back someone into a corner, into a corner. they then go into savage mentality like, do whatever i can to scare people away because it's fighting fire with fire. jess phillips recognised that, recognises that because she lives in a community that's very diverse. if you push people far enough, if you push any human being far enough, at some point they will defend themselves . so she's some point they will defend themselves. so she's doing it without the context. >> why the behaviour of these far right so—called thug mobs of white people destroying mosques and things like that is completely unacceptable and disgusting and not something we should accept in society. what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. no militia people wearing balaclavas carrying weapons should be acceptable , weapons should be acceptable, whatever their background. and i expect our police without fear or favour, without regard to people's race or religion, to arrest those people and throw

the book at them. and what we've had is a message from a government minister, a government minister, a government minister, a government minister in the home office responsible for policing that that isn't what she expects her police officers to do. it is a disgrace. and if keir starmer is serious about getting rid of this accusation of two tier policing, two tier care, he would have fired her, been down on her like a ton of bricks, like he should have come down on this rioters. >> i do agree that there should be a unanimous approach to any violent kind of protest. whoever you are, wherever you are from, thatis you are, wherever you are from, that is agreed. but when in the position she has, pragmatism is key and she has to like what is the one thing that know? what is the one thing that know? what is the one thing everyone has been saying about the rioters? what is the motivation that led it to this? why don't we understand the source of this? why is it one a desire for understanding one a desire for understanding on one part? but then you condemn her when she's trying to find understanding on the other part? the fact is she knows that from being in a community that is that diverse , that when is that diverse, that when things like this have happened in the past, you know, what has led to it? had keir starmer acted sooner, it might never have gotten to a point where

they felt, let's take our own defence into our own. >> he's got form on this 2020 blm criminality all over the country, virtually no arrests made. i'm sorry to take here is going to stick because it's what people see. >> i didn't even get time to talk about social housing. so many of you are getting in touch as well. i do just want to make the point you were saying about defending your area and stuff. there is a difference between linking arms and defending a mosque, that's one thing. taking to the streets, literally doing some kind of patrol spot, the white person so we can batter them, i would say, is something a little bit entirely different. you will have strong opinions on that at home. one of my viewers has said, michelle, tomorrow, can you try and find some positive news? yes. there you go. that's your homework for tonight. find me some positive stories. i would be delighted, but for now that's all. thank you to my panel. thank you to each and every one of you at home. have a fantastic night and i will see you tomorrow night. night >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb

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start to the day. but as i said, it could be fairly fresh. but the sun will come up and warm things up quite quickly. fairly good conditions across parts of northern ireland, northern england, western wales as well, but it's northeast england, central areas and parts of the south—east are likely to see quite a grey start to the day. risk of rain is more limited. i think some of us will see some patchy drizzle at least through the morning. that could last into the afternoon, particularly across the far south—east but in general it will turn a little bit brighter as we head into the afternoon across central areas and across the north. it's going to be a fairly fine day. plenty of sunny spells and it should stay dry. light lighter winds mean it will feel fairly warm in the sunshine. highs of 22 or 23 degrees, but the next band of wet weather is arriving on thursday morning, particularly across western areas of scotland, where it will persist, as well as northern ireland, northwestern england as well. and that will sink southwards through thursday, quite slowly lingering across the south and east as we head into friday. so a bit of a potentially wet day

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well. >> a very very good evening to you. i'm martin daubney standing in for the big man nigel farage. on tonight's show. judges confirm that three police officers were passed over for a promotion for being white. will this add fuel to the fire in the two tiered policing row? next up, the tory leadership battle is heating up with tom tugendhat saying mps must end the culture of denial over the motives of violent criminals and even turning fire on reform leader

nigel farage. and as an italian sprinter, becomes the first transgender paralympian. what does this mean for disabled female athletes? all of that is coming up after your news headunes coming up after your news headlines with sam francis . headlines with sam francis. >> martin, thank you and good evening to you . it's just coming evening to you. it's just coming up to 7:01. well, the top story tonight , the health secretary tonight, the health secretary says the deaths of three people stabbed to death in nottingham last june could and should have been prevented. wes streeting says a review shows the nhs made multiple and fundamental failures in the care given to valdo calocane, who killed grace o'malley—kumar , barnaby webber o'malley—kumar, barnaby webber andian o'malley—kumar, barnaby webber and ian coates. the trust involved, though, insists it has improved what the care quality commission have uncovered is deeply distressing , most of all deeply distressing, most of all for the families of grace, barnaby and ian, who , in barnaby and ian, who, in addition to having to deal with

the unbearable and