and different cultures and backgrounds working for and working with the police . working with the police. >> white police officers have won a race discrimination claim. is it time to talk about anti—white racism and x—women .7 anti—white racism and x—women.7 >> footballers shouldn't be commentating on the premier league and the men's game. that should be left to the men who've played now . played now. >> legendary pundit des lynam has joined joey barton in calling out female football commentators at the men's game. is he right.7 or so. >> welcome to the full time job of living off the state. >> more than 9 million working age people are sitting on their backsides, not even looking for work. what's going on there? and . work. what's going on there? and. a 13 year old girl is the latest child to be prosecuted for the riots. is it right to go after kids? on my panel tonight it's columnist and broadcaster esther

krakow, political commentator jonathan lis, and political consultant suzanne evans. oh, yes. and what led up to this here? there we are, a man on fire. what happened? okay, i want you to try to tell me. get ready. britain here we go. it's an illegal immigrant, free for all. next . for all. next. >> very good evening to you . >> very good evening to you. it's just after 9:00. patrick. up it's just after 9:00. patrick. up next. but first, a quick look at the headlines. this hour, the prime minister is said to be considering a judge led public inquiry into the nottingham stabbings last june. it comes after the health secretary acknowledged the nhs made multiple and fundamental failures in the care given to valdo calocane. he killed grace o'malley—kumar , barnaby webber o'malley—kumar, barnaby webber andian o'malley—kumar, barnaby webber and ian coates in 2023. wes streeting says their deaths can

and should have been prevented . and should have been prevented. >> what the care quality commission have uncovered is deeply distressing , most of all deeply distressing, most of all for the families of grace , for the families of grace, barnaby and ian, who in addition to having to deal with the unbearable and unimaginable grief they're going through, are doing so in the knowledge that this could have been prevented and should have been prevented, that there wasn't a single point of failure. but multiple and fundamental failures on the part of the nhs to manage valdo calocane treatment in a way that not only kept him safe, but most importantly kept others safe . importantly kept others safe. >> wes streeting there, speaking earlier, well, conservative leadership hopeful tom tugendhat has accused the prime minister, sir keir starmer, of a failure of leadership over the recent riots. the former security minister said the disorder, seen on the uk's streets was completely unacceptable and has condemned what he called racist thugs as he opened a speech in

central london earlier. >> this has been the government's first real test and the prime minister fell short. when we needed a strong government, we got a party in the mindset of opposition . we the mindset of opposition. we needed a leader, we got a lawyer waiting for the case to reach court . you have to be determined court. you have to be determined and aware throughout . you have and aware throughout. you have to be ready to do the job from day one, 5000 migrants have crossed the english channel and arrived in the uk since labour came to power. >> former head of border force tony smith told gb news this morning that sir keir starmer's plans to smash the gangs will be, he says, very difficult to achieve. >> we expect the uk to be able to smash the gangs. if you like , to smash the gangs. if you like, without some form of international collaboration where powers can be used by other countries on their jurisdictions to bring people to

justice to and prevent people and goods crossing borders, etc. rather than the uk being able to do this on their own. >> the latest developments from the middle east and the american top diplomat, the middle east and the american top diplomat , anthony blinken, top diplomat, anthony blinken, has postponed his trip there amid escalating tensions. the last minute change to his schedule comes as this week's gaza ceasefire talks are expected on thursday, but uncertainty is looming after hamas launched rockets at tel aviv for the first time in months today, prompting israel to conduct retaliatory airstrikes in gaza. there are also concerns about stability across the wider region, with growing fears iran may retaliate against israel as soon as this week over the killing of a former hamas leader and we're also just hearing a line from the reuters news agency. in fact, regarding tensions in the middle east, according to reuters, iranian officials have said only a permanent ceasefire dealin said only a permanent ceasefire deal in gaza would prevent the country from carrying out that

retaliation against israel. so that line just to in us from reuters in ireland, ten prisoners are being treated for suspected overdoses. the irish pfison suspected overdoses. the irish prison service has secured additional opioid antidote kits and said extra vigilance is being taken to prevent further contraband from entering the port. lays jail cell searches have been increased and canine unit focus on deliveries is being enhanced. some brighter news and a 12 year old girl reported missing from sittingbourne in kent has been found safe tonight. police have launched an urgent appeal after katie spice was last seen at a train station in canterbury on sunday. officers have now thanked the public for their help in the search. and one last story for you and if you're an art lover, it's one for you. a ninth animal themed banksy artwork has appeared overnight, this time at london zoo. the latest piece has been sprayed onto the entrance and shows a gorilla appearing to lift up the barrier to let the animals escape. staff at the zoo, though, have been asked if the

elusive artist was spotted on cctv . of course they're not cctv. of course they're not giving anything away . those are giving anything away. those are the latest headlines for now, i'm sam francis. your next update just after 10:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> keir starmer has hit an illegal migrant milestone already. 5000 illegal immigrants have come across the channel since he became prime minister. that's 18,500. so far this year, actually. and keir starmer spokesperson said the numbers are likely to increase this summer, but also said that had nothing to do with them scrapping the rwanda scheme. now, i once tried to put this into context, really by using the population of some quite well—known towns, right? so every single month, a town the

size of alderley edge in cheshire arrives by small boat every single month. within a few months, it's likely that more than the entire population of windsor will have arrived by small boat. gb news has exclusive footage of this small boat junkyard in dover at the moment. now each of those boats tells the story, doesn't it? of between 50 to 70, mostly young men who will now need to live somewhere. and this is where the numbers get worse. at the end of march this year , there were march this year, there were 86,460 people on the asylum waiting list. that's according to full fact. then labour won the general election. and that means that anyone who arrives here illegally will still be able to try to claim asylum. so that number would already stand somewhere in the region of 100,000 people. given that we hardly seem able to deport anybody, that means that the population roughly the size of oxford could be claiming asylum in britain by the end of the yeah in britain by the end of the year. but what's the cost? well, robert jenrick tory leadership hopeful former immigration minister revealed that each

channel migrant is predicted to cost the taxpayer around £400,000 in their lifetime, so the cost of sunday alone, when 703 illegal migrants came across the channel, is estimated to be £281 million. if we take those 100,000, that will now be allowed to claim asylum under laboun allowed to claim asylum under labour, and let's say they each cost £400,000 over the course of their lifetime. well, that's a bill to you, the taxpayer, of about £40 billion. during the election, starmer repeatedly said he had a plan. >> i think that we can smash the vile gangs that are running this trade, that are making a fortune putting people into boats and breaching our border security. i'm not to prepared put up with that, and that's why i think the serious answer is to smash the gangs. a gimmick such as rwanda, which cost a fortune and removes less than 1% of those arriving by small boat, is not going to work. so here's a contrast with the government. i want to tackle the government. i want to tackle the very real problem with a

serious response. sei’lous response. >> serious response. >> okay, but now shock, horror. it emerges that that plan is still very much a work in progress. he's plotting an overhaul of the europe wide police force with italian leader giorgia meloni. i mean, what is that and how long is that going to take? meanwhile, the boats keep coming and you keep paying. let's get the thoughts of my panel tonight. i am joined by columnist and broadcaster esther krakov. also got political commentator jonathan lees, krakov. also got political commentatorjonathan lees, and political consultant suzanne evans, and i'll start with you on this actually. so, look, i mean, this is i mean, the sheer cost and the scale of this now is, is absolutely ridiculous. >> well, it always has been. i mean, since this migration in small boats started, there have been like 133,000 people have arrived now. i mean, what are we going to do with all these people? where are we going to house them? how are we going to pay house them? how are we going to pay for it all? this is just far

too much for the british people too much for the british people to be, to be expected to shoulder this horrendous burden. you know, if 133,000 mostly young men are fighting, age had turned up at dover on a single day or even in a week, our response of the politicians of the british public, even the most , refugees, welcome advocate most, refugees, welcome advocate that you could find. the response, i think, would have been very different. suella braverman nailed it. she said this was an invasion and that is what this is. the fact it's taken place over a number of years doesn't make it any less so. and i think, patrick, you've just summed up very starkly that the horrendous cost. but it's not just the money, is it ? it's not just the money, is it? it's the lack of integration. it's the lack of integration. it's the housing that these people are going to be taking off. other people. it's the hotels that are basically have to set up a whole new business caring for refugees and asylum seekers, as opposed to actually doing their job as opposed to actually doing theirjob catering as opposed to actually doing their job catering for tourists. it's changing. it's not just about the money, it's changing the whole face of britain now emerges that the grand plan here

involves doing something with giorgia meloni to try to completely overhaul the european police force and make them take it more seriously. >> obviously, we're not even in the eu anymore. i mean, this this isn't a plan, is it? >> well, we don't know what the plan is that starmer and meloni are talking. that's just that's been a report in a newspaper. so obviously we'd have to see what that proposal is. and then comment on it. i do think that what suzanne has just said is fear mongering of the worst kind. i don't know what relevance it is if someone's a fighting age, i'm a fighting age. you're a fighting age because it's very obvious what the no invasion. >> look, refugee columns before 2018 were almost exclusively women and children . women and children. >> always. that was the way it was, because the men in these countries that were war torn, that were troubled, that were desperate, they put their women and children first. we have a totally different situation now. these people are economic migrants. each one of them has paid between 8000 and £15,000 per head to get across in those boats. don't try and tell me

these are legitimate refugees. they're quite clearly not. >> they're criminals. i'm sorry. >> they're criminals. i'm sorry. >> i don't know why you think that you're a bigger expert than the people who are actually assessing these claims, who are paid to do this work. well, there's a backlog. >> they're not assessing them, are they? >> there's a backlog. is that the previous conservative government deliberately made a backlog which actually explains your figure, which i don't know if that's true. that figure that robert jenrick said. but the reason, if it is true is because his government deliberately stopped processing those claims and so effectively putting people in indefinite detention. if you had a system where people could come here and through safe and legal means, i should say, because everyone wants to stop the boats, including people who are getting on them, then you could actually claim process those claims and then you could swiftly deal with people either way. >> i said, one of the things that i think is what stops even more public outcry than we've seen is the fact that it's drip, drip, drip. but when you put it into the context of a town the size of keswick arriving in the best part every single ten days, or alderley edge in cheshire, people like places like that somewhere the size of oxford ,

somewhere the size of oxford, you know, every single year, just on people who arrive on small boats, right? so that's before we've got legal immigration, before we've got people who are arriving in other forms as well. where the heck are these people going to live? >> well, they again, they get funnelled into the underbelly of british society. >> most of them happen to know people here, so it makes it a lot easier. i mean, i think just to contextualise it because we're talking about fighting age men and we don't seem to see the problem with it. actually, it has impacts on immigration, on integration. sorry. so the reason why we had a sort of a women and children's policy is because it's a lot easier to integrate women and children, particularly from war torn countries, than it is to integrate young men who may or may not have even played a role in the violence in the countries that they're fleeing from anyway. so that's just the reality of it. but also, let's let's put this into context. do you think saudi arabia would tolerate 100,000 mostly fighting age men arriving in a giant boat onto its shores and having access to health care hotels? i mean, i was in paddington station not too long ago , and i station not too long ago, and i saw at least ten homeless people lined up on the platform. and i just thought, this is horrible .

just thought, this is horrible. i don't see why we can be able to give housing to people that come across on small boats , but come across on small boats, but these people are lying on street like on, on, on train, like train platforms in this country, in the country's capital, on the sort of plan that he has with maloney, the biggest issue that i see happening is the fact that there's still no deterrent element. we do have some immigration policy in this country, but they're estimated a million illegal immigrants in this country. having the policy in place is one thing. also having a deterrent in place and actually being able to send people somewhere is the more difficult aspect. if you're an afghan asylum seeker, for example, and you're refused asylum, you're basically never going to be removed from this country because we don't have a returns agreement. that's why we have 14,000 foreign national offenders in our prisons. it's not because we're trying to keep them here. we don't have returns agreement. so it's not just about the fact that they can apply and have safe and legal routes. once they enter the country. there is no way of removing them, even if they're denied. and that's a bigger national security threat that must be addressed. that's not racist. it's the truth. well, one of the people, jonathan, who's just been prosecuted for

actually spreading fake news about the riots, but from a sense that they were saying that they were being chased by far right gangs when they weren't, is a romanian asylum seeker who's now serving a bit of time in prison. >> i mean, are we taking asylum seekers from romania now as well? what's all that about? i mean, this has got to stop. >> i mean, i don't i mean, i don't know the details of that, but i would find it very strange that a romanian would be claiming asylum when the romanians are allowed to come here legally anyway. and until, until and until two years ago, romania was a full member of the eu. so you'd have free movement anyway. >> but if you're a romanian gypsy, l >> but if you're a romanian gypsy, i mean, we don't know the details. >> i can't comment on on cases i don't know anything about, but i get that. >> but this is it goes a long way to explaining the absolute madness of this, doesn't it? basically, the world can come to britain and you're not going to get sent anywhere. no. and it's the british taxpayer is paying no, patrick. >> those look, asylum is an internationally recognised human right. i if you want to have a conversation about economic migration, i'd be very happy to have that conversation because i think economic migration is a good thing. but even if you're

just talking about asylum, asylum, claiming asylum is not illegal. what we need to have is a system whereby people can come to the uk to claim asylum and have those claims processed swiftly and effectively, whether that's by having processing centres in france or by allowing people to come on legal vessels. >> do you think these boats should be stopped? jonathan? do you actually want to stop the boats or do you not really care? >> what if there's a grotesque smear? sza no it's not. i'd like you to answer the question. >> it's not a smear at all because you're standing up for these people. >> and i'd like to know the answer if you if you listen to what i said before, i said, every single person wants to stop the boats, including the people who get on them. >> but what about you? >> but what about you? >> the question the question that i have is what? >> what is ludicrous? no, it's not ludicrous. you just avoided answering my question. >> you're accusing me of wanting to support the gangs now, are you? >> hold on. they should be able to apply for asylum and be processed quickly. we can all agree on that. but what happens when they're rejected? because a year we've had, i think, 350,000 people that have applied that have been refused asylum, but

they haven't been removed. they're still in the country. we don't know where they're going to. they're most likely part of the gig economy, which in and of itself is taking advantage of them. that's the bigger question. it's not just, you know, the fact that they should be able to apply. you can apply, but there are also over half are getting rejected. what happens to those people? >> i don't think it's over half getting rejected. but i think the last the last figures i think was 75%, wasn't it, of people? no, no, no, 77% were accepted for asylum on second. >> on second try, after sort of, they went through a different process, a different application process. but the point is you have 350,000 people on average that are rejected that are still in the uk. the question for the prime minister is these people that are undocumented, that have been rejected and refused to stay because usually they're appealing. >> there's a there's a whole legal system , isn't there? the legal system, isn't there? the lawyers are making an absolute fortune out of this by constantly appealing and appealing and appealing cases. and in some cases, taking it all the. it is absolutely used to live in the uk in terms of numbers, just in terms of numbers, just in terms of numbers here, jonathan, final point to you on this. >> so at this current rate, it the way it is going, right. every single town in britain at some point is going to have to take a chunk of people every

single year. right and i dare say that quite a few of the people who might have just come across on boats will actually, they really want to live in big cities, don't they? if they want to come here, they probably don't want to live in places like keswick or alderley edge that i just mentioned there as well. so do you acknowledge that at this current rate, every single town in britain, possibly every single village, is going to end up having to take some of these people? >> no, but you make it sound as though there are millions and millions of people arriving. the numbers of irregular migrants who are coming on small boats is a small fraction of the number of legal migrants who are coming here every year. and that's obviously at an all time high after the previous government's policy. so where are they going to live there? but the question but the question that you ask about that is the same question that you would ask about migrants in general. and obviously there are no one's denying that there are challenges from migration. i happen to think that it's outweighed by the benefits. but of course there are challenges, but it doesn't. >> it doesn't apply. it doesn't apply because right now, as it currently stands, we did an exclusive on this earlier in the week. we are currently importing

both sides of the sudanese civil war. people from the north and the south are fighting each other in calais and getting on boats and coming here, and people in a small rural town in england would have more concerns about that . someone from there about that. someone from there moving into their village as opposed to someone who's gone through the legal route and is probably working and making an income and not taking benefits. >> i'll tell you one thing that actually, sudan is a classic example of a country where there should be a legal visa scheme for refugees in the same way that we had for ukraine and syria and afghanistan, because there is a civil war happening. and when you have civil wars happening, people flee and the uk has an international on that point. >> just just on that point, we do have a legal refugee scheme for afghanistan. and yet the number of people that were coming on the small boats, the highest, do you know the population of the nationality of the highest number? afghanistan, even though we have a legal a legal route for them to enter, anyone is held through that scheme of the government and 20,000 entered in the last two years alone. through that, through that legal scheme, the point is this idea that having

this legal, safe route is going to somehow dissuade people from taking the illegal route when they can still come illegally and have hotels, access to hotels, nhs and all of that is fallacy. >> it's how many ukrainians have come on small boats. >> there haven't been ukrainians coming on small boats because many of them actually want to go back. >> men are fighting for their country. >> actually, many of them have got no one want to go back and have gone back. that's the difference. many in hong kong as well. it's the same thing. so it's apples and oranges here. theidea it's apples and oranges here. the idea that if you've had a legal scheme from war torn countries is going to dissuade people from coming here illegally, is completely not true. >> look, we will we will, we'll put a pin in that one for now. but thank you very much. lively start. everybody now, as a 13 year old becomes the youngest girl to be convicted over the riots. is it right to throw the book at kids? we'll get stuck into that shortly. but first, former match of the day presenter des lynam. is he right to say that female pundits aren't qualified to analyse the men's game because they've never played at that level? england footballing legend peter shilton goes head to head with nicola mclean. that's next. stay tuned

to welcome back to patrick christys tonight. coming up, should kids involved in the riots really be prosecuted potentially even sent to a young offenders unit? but first is des lynam right that female pundits aren't qualified to analyse the men's game? it's time for the head to head . so former match of head to head. so former match of the day presenter des lynam has

now sparked controversy after he suggested that women pundits aren't qualified to analyse the men's games. the 81 year old, who used to present the bbc's flagship football show between 1988 and 1999, told the radio times i've got no gripe with female presenters, but when you're a pundit and you're offering opinions about the game, you have to have played it at the level you are talking i.e. the men's game. lionel's comments caused a social media storm, and the broadcasting legend was branded a dinosaur. that needs to move with the times. but what do you think? let me know your thoughts. go to gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews and make sure you vote in our poll. but first, going head to head on, this is england's record cap holder, peter shilton, and tv personality nicola mclean. both of you, thank you very much . of you, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. and look, peter, i'll start with you on this. do you think that des lynam has got a point here that female pundits shouldn't be commentating or giving their views on the men's game? >> i think it was inevitable. you know , that women were going

you know, that women were going to get involved in punditry because the last 5 or 6 years, the women's game has grown incredibly and there's a lot more young girls playing the game and watching football. and, you know, i think it was inevitable, i still think there's a lot of blokes out there's a lot of blokes out there that probably watch football for many , many years football for many, many years and, you know, would like to know the opinion of somebody. they've probably watched, you know, over many years and got their opinion on it. so, you know , i think maybe it's been know, i think maybe it's been thrust upon us, you know, women's opinions, women presenting, a lot in recent years. and i think a lot of blokes probably think, no, you know, we want to we want a few more men on there. >> yeah. what do you think, nicola? >> yeah. so i think the problem here is that women are being picked just because they're women's tick boxes. >> and some of them are not great at it, just like some men aren't great at it. and i think that women are qualified to talk about it . that women are qualified to talk about it. some of that women are qualified to talk about it . some of the that women are qualified to talk about it. some of the some of the pundits are fantastic, but

you are getting quite a few of them that aren't as great, but they are being picked at, you know, because they're female. and that's where the frustration comes. and when players that have played at a higher level are not getting the jobs because of women , that's where i can see of women, that's where i can see the problem. but saying that no women should be commentating on a man's game, i'm not. i don't agree with that. i think that some of the women are really good at it, but we just need to bnng good at it, but we just need to bring it back. the pendulum swung so far. i think that that's where people are getting frustrated and i totally understand that. but as i say, there are some. i watch a lot of football. i'm in the middle of watching a football match now. you know i love football, so i think that to say that no women can commentate on it is wrong. but i really understand that . i but i really understand that. i feel like the pendulum has swung far too far. >> is there such a big difference between the men and the women's game for you, peter, when you look at it to the point where even if a female footballer had played for england or captained england or something, that they wouldn't necessarily be qualified to talk

about, you know, the absolute elite level of the men's game, the champions league final, for example. >> well, women will always go back and say, well, we've won the only trophy that we've won since 66 with the euros. and i think that's when, you know, women's football really kicked off. you know, it was it was spread across all, you know, tv and what have you and people became personalities. but you know whether that in itself, you know whether that in itself, you know is enough experience. i mean, jill scott, for example, you know, she's got a tremendous amount of experience and, and caps and you could listen to her. but i think when you look at some men who have played for years and years and been in the england team that probably don't appear on tv, i think the blokes in particular, you know , think, in particular, you know, think, oh, do we really want, you know, women's opinions who really haven't got great credentials , i haven't got great credentials, i think that's the problem. and i agree with what, what was said, you know, that that maybe too many of them have been put on as

a bit of a glamour thing by tv, you know , maybe it should be you know, maybe it should be slightly less. >> could you understand nicola as well? maybe why some men , you as well? maybe why some men, you know, just just as in the you bloke down the pub , right, you bloke down the pub, right, you know, might want to go to the pub on a saturday, watch his men's team, watch his favourite male pundits talking about men's football or is that is that outdated and sexist? do you think? >> yes. i think the way that we're wording it makes it sexist and then it makes it a sexist argument. we're actually if you just factually put it the way that we're putting it now, it's not sexist . some women just are not sexist. some women just are not sexist. some women just are not qualified to talk about it, and therefore they shouldn't be talking about it just because they look good. but the ones that are qualified, i think it's fine for them to get the jobs. but, you know, i want to listen when i'm listening to football. i want to listen to people that are that know what they're talking about. so, you know, let's take away the sex. we want the best person for the job, and we don't want men losing out on

jobs just because women have to be on tv, or you want someone glamorous because that's not fair. but if they're good at the job, it doesn't matter if they've got a vagina or a penis. >> okay , peter, i do wonder >> okay, peter, i do wonder whether or not it works the other way around . so when i, other way around. so when i, i mean, this is not, you know , mean, this is not, you know, every single time. right? but a lot of the time when you watch women's sports, not just football, but, but women's sports, you know, it really tends to usually just be an all woman commentary team and a panel woman commentary team and a panel, not every time. but certainly i would say the overwhelming, the vast majority of the time i've ever watched it. you know, why can't that be the same for the men's game ? the same for the men's game? >> well, because of what i said . >> well, because of what i said. you know, i think there's a professional league with women , professional league with women, a lot of young girls now, you know , are fanatical about know, are fanatical about football. and there's more and more coming in. and you think, how many young girls are in, in in great britain, you know, there's a big audience out there that want to watch football and want to listen to their heroes.

but at the same time, there's more men . and i think that, you more men. and i think that, you know, that that that was the problem was hit upon. you know, people have been put on television just for a little bit of glamour and what have you, probably not as qualified as , as probably not as qualified as, as you could pick out, you know, 15 blokes that would be better qualified. and it's as simple as that, really. >> i do get that. and i do wonder as well, nicola, whether you see people like des lynam now who are getting absolutely, you know, hauled over the coals for actually expressing an opinion that you know, whether this is right or wrong. i think we're expressing an opinion that that actually i mean, i think a lot of even a lot of women would agree with. >> yeah. i mean, i think that it's just how we word things and, you know, i'm i'm not a snowflake for anyone worries. i don't care what people say about me, but i just think it's the way we word things. and if we say no woman's qualified, it's like, come on now. you know, that's that's not entirely true. but i do think that we should be allowed to, express our opinion.

my allowed to, express our opinion. my husband played not as high as as you, but my husband played. and i have to constantly shout at him about the way he speaks about women pundits. so i live in a household where my husband completely thinks. what does he say? yeah, he said he hates it. he thinks that no women should be commentating or pundit being pundits. he said they're not qualified. they don't. they don't play the same game as us. and i have to shout at him and say, you both kicking a ball. and he's like, no, it's not the same. so i have this debate a lot, so i'm qualified for the debate. >> if he's watching, if he's watching in the other room now, you know, he's shouting at the television screen and you know, he's he's at football training with my son. >> he's come on now and completely agree with you, with you.so completely agree with you, with you. so don't worry about it. he wouldn't mind me saying it. yeah.i wouldn't mind me saying it. yeah. i have two sons in the house and i'm trying to not have a sexist household, so i'm like, come on, as i as i say, as long as you're qualified, it doesn't matter. you're set. but just women being given the jobs over men, you know, where then where's the men's rights? i think that's the thing. >> i think i think look, ultimately you can kind of boil it down. it does tie in a little

bit with the topic we're doing later on in the show, which is if something is seen as a needless diversity or inclusion hire, i think a lot of people can see through that. and they don't particularly like it. but both of you, good stuff. it was less of a head to head. nice chat that. but you know what? it's nice every now and again. no, it's good, it's good. anyway, thank you very much. england's record cap holder peter shilton and tv personality nicola mclean. right. well who do you agree with? there is former match of the day presenter des lynam, right, that female pundits aren't qualified to analyse the men's game. gareth says totally disagree . gareth says totally disagree. qualifications aren't gender bound. mick says it's not seen the same or have the same energy that comes from a man doing it. i think most football fans prefer characters. cammy jeff etc. yeah, fair enough. liberty says no. they are more than qualified and they work hard. i used to like des by this thinking all fans are not qualified either and should not have an opinion. there's a good point. you do see the fan podcast and things you think, well, what qualifies you? have you not played it at all? but anyway, 79% of you agree that des lynam says. that says that

women basically shouldn't be commenting or pundits doing the punditry on the men's game. 21% of you disagree. so there we go. coming up as kemi badenoch tory leadership campaign is rocked by a historic migration mishap to thank the home secretary for removing the annual limits on work visas and also on international students, both of which i lobbied for. kanji bounce back when immigration is such a key issue for tory voters, former lbc political editor theo usherwood offers his expert analysis shortly. but next, a 13 year old has become the youngest girl to be convicted over the riots. is it right to throw the book kids? we debate that

next. welcome back to patrick christys tonight . welcome back to patrick christys tonight. coming up, have kemi badenoch chances of becoming the next tory leader . just been next tory leader. just been deau next tory leader. just been dealt a hammer blow. but first, a 13 year old girl has become the youngest girl to be convicted over the recent riots after she admitted using unlawful violence outside a hotel in aldershot . well, it hotel in aldershot. well, it comes after a 12 year old boy admitted two charges of violent disorder on monday after he was among a group who surrounded a hotel housing asylum seekers in newton heath last month. and yesterday , 22 year old thomas yesterday, 22 year old thomas rogers, who apparently has learning difficulties as well as autism , was sentenced to 26 autism, was sentenced to 26 months in prison for his part in the middlesbrough riots. well it was two slightly separate issues that we'll focus on. the children issue first, but i'm

joined now by my panel again. we've got columnist and broadcaster esther krakue, political commentator jonathan lees and political consultant suzanne evans . esther, should we suzanne evans. esther, should we be throwing the book at kids, >> i'm a bit torn. i think it depends on the case. criminal responsibility starts from the age of ten. so obviously, if you if you do commit a crime, you can be responsible from that age . can be responsible from that age. however, i, i don't think like what are you going to achieve by, by arresting teenagers. it's just probably going to cost more than just actually probably telling their parents, assuming their parents are not there, like if their parents are there at the riots, then i think the bigger question is parental responsibility. >> yeah, i suppose it's that thing, jonathan, isn't it? which is that like if you are a 12 year old and you are, you know, walking past something like that, you might you might not really have grasped necessarily exactly what was going on, if that makes sense. i get that you should still be aware that what you're doing is not right. but are you really consciously part of the torching of a migrant

hotel at 12, you know? >> well, look, i think that there are two separate issues here. the first one is having a conversation about the age of criminal responsibility, which a lot of criminologists think is too low in this country compared too low in this country compared to many of our neighbours , and to many of our neighbours, and that would address the point that would address the point that you've just made . is a ten that you've just made. is a ten year old capable of understanding the consequences of their actions and that would apply to it. and i think that there's also conversation, a really necessary conversation about youth detention as well, about youth detention as well, about the conditions in which we keep children who have been found guilty of crimes , who are found guilty of crimes, who are awaiting trial for those crimes. but i think that if you're going to have a system that says children are responsible from this particular age, i don't then think that you can exempt children from from particular circumstances. now, obviously, every the whole point of the criminal justice system is to evaluate people on a case by case basis and to establish if there are extenuating

circumstances or if there are reasons for leniency in individual cases. and that's why we have a defence in all those cases. and that's where i would expect the criminal justice system to intervene and to, to decide how those children should be treated. >> one thing that stood out for me in all of this, though, was that i was reporting live on those harehills riots on this show, and we could see loads of children involved in that. there were videos of it. i mean, there were videos of it. i mean, there were videos of it. i mean, there were videos of it. everywhere you see kids there that are doing all sorts of stuff, and i don't think a child has been prosecuted there. and yet we've got these situations taking place, you know, is it now two tier kids? >> it absolutely is. and here we have a situation. you look at some of the sentences that have been given to rioters. this this, this last couple of weeks. you just talked about the 22 year old with autism. we've got 26 months. so we've got a ridiculous situation here where this 13 year old girl might well get a longer sentence than other people who've committed the most horrendous crimes rapes, murders , horrendous crimes rapes, murders, abuse of 13 year old girls. so i

just pulled out a couple of cases. so we've got the case of adil rashid, who raped a 13 year old girl and groomed her on facebook, said, oh, i didn't know that sex with a 13 year old was illegal in this country. he didn't go to jail. the case of sean hogg up in scotland, he raped a 13 year old girl in a scottish park . he got a 270 hour scottish park. he got a 270 hour community payback order. and yet, what's this girl going to get now? obviously the sentencing hasn't happened yet. we don't know, but i am conflicted and concerned about this. i'm conflicted because i don't think kids should be getting away with it . you've got getting away with it. you've got to send a strong message, but at the same time , they are the same time, they are children. and as esther rightly said, where are the parents? here. and i don't think any parent should be taking their kid on any kind of protest. >> a stronger case to actually criminalise, punish properly rape , like a 200 hour community rape, like a 200 hour community order clearly is not. it's not. it's not, it's not sufficient. it's not, it's not sufficient. it's an insult to the victim. however, i do think, yes, it should be on a case by case basis. but also i have to point

out that you know, particularly for the incident of the kids being found outside where they were trying to basically break in, or i think torch a migrant hotel, the criminal this the sentence for actually being found guilty of arson with intent to kill is life and murder. life in prison. so it carries a much bigger sentence. so i think that's probably why they're treating it more seriously. imagine whether you're 12 or not. if you are convicted of that crime, it is a very serious crime. >> it's a very serious crime. but, you know, we also had the man who was sentenced to two years in prison for shouting at policemen. and that's basically all he did. yeah. and i think there is an element here as you say, patrick, i think it is potentially a two tier justice system. and i also think we've got judges who are trying to send a very strong message here as well. and that's why the sentences are so harsh. obviously, a lot of these people are pleading guilty, so they're going to have a more reduced sentence than if they'd gone to court. however, if i can just finish what's happening is that the sentences that are being given are quite at the top end of that scale. >> did you support the four year sentence handed down to the just stop oil protester,

>> i, i thought four years was too harsh. >> it was, it was, it was. i thought that was very harsh. >> not, not not necessarily for the i forget his name off the top of my head, but the founder who was sent to jail because i think he is roger hallam. thank you. he is far more culpable and far more responsible. but i did feel strongly that that the young girl who was sentenced. yes, it was a bit harsh. >> i mean, i think that we might actually reach some agreement on this panel in the sense that there should be consistency across the board and that the most serious crimes should obviously be punished at the most. now i'm always wary of commenting on individual cases because you might often find that we don't know the individual details and, you know, judges aren't operating . know, judges aren't operating. >> also, they might already have a criminal record as long as your arm this long, they might. well, we don't know. >> i mean, i think we have to we have to respect the people whose job this is and who've been doing this for many, many years, judges, etc. but clearly i think that there is a perception that there is a lopsided nature in sentencing, which doesn't actually have much to do with these riots. i think it's important that there is a

deterrent effect from these riots, and that's why it's necessary that there have been fast tracked and that resources have been given for that. >> i think one of the one of the things that labour is going to, you know, this is going to be like a ball and chain, is this idea that a deterrent works. right? and then, you know, and then we look at the things that are going on in the channel we don't have i'm afraid it doesn't. the crimes and we're letting people out early and all of that stuff. i think the other case that we haven't got time to get into this now, and, you know, it probably needs a bit more looking into. but that individual there who by all accounts has quite severe learning difficulties and autism, i think being given what was it, 26 months in prison, i feel i suspect his his defence would be able to successfully argue diminished responsibility of some kind. i feel a bit squiffy about that, to be honest with you. but coming up as white police officers win a race discrimination claim after they were passed over for promotion in favour of an asian candidate, is it time to talk about anti—white racism? i'll tackle anti —white racism? i'll tackle that anti—white racism? i'll tackle that at 10:00 pm. plus, i'll deliver the very first of tomorrow's front pages and i will show you what led up to this dramatic moment. man on fire. the full clip is absolutely extraordinary. you

don't want to miss it. stay tuned. oh, yeah. but next. but next. as kemi badenoch tory leadership campaign is rocked by a historic migration mishap to thank the home secretary for removing the annual limits on work visas and also on international students, both of which i lobbied for. can she bounce back ? former lbc bounce back? former lbc political editor theo usherwood. he's live and he's next. as well as talking sue grey's struggle

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. well, kemi badenoch chances of becoming the next tory leader . chances of becoming the next tory leader. have chances of becoming the next tory leader . have they been tory leader. have they been deau tory leader. have they been dealt a hammer blow? i mean, it sounds like they have, doesn't it? because she's been making some historic comments about migration, appearing to praise the fact that there was a cap that was dropped. i am joined now by former lbc political editor theo usherwood. he's going to talk us through how much trouble or otherwise cam is in. >> it's a big dent, but i don't think it's a fatal blow for kemi badenoch. of course it plays to

reform, and i think nigel farage and richard tice will be delighted that these comments from 2018 have surfaced, surfaced and it was said in the house of commons, i think it also makes it very clear that kemi badenoch and there's a poll out, amongst tory grassroots, she's the most popular shadow cabinet minister by some margin. she has a target on her back. and this is clearly the first evidence we have seen of underhand briefing taking place. somebody's gone and done a hit job on her. they've gone back through hansard, which is the commons record , and looked at commons record, and looked at it. yeah, it's not good. it's not good. you can look at it. you're quite right, patrick. it's not. you know, in this, in this leadership contest, when immigration is an absolute key issue to be standing there, even if it's 2018 and even if you can say your policy has changed, extolling the benefits of immigration to when you know that your membership, your conservative membership are very sceptical about high levels of immigration, it is not a good thing. and that's why i think whoever has decided to brief

against her in this way and go through the hansard records in the house of commons to find this tape and to find the record of her saying this, you know , of her saying this, you know, they clearly see her as the front runner to be taken out. if the rival that has briefed this has to stand any chance of winning out of all of the front runners for the tory leadership, who has got the best record when it comes to immigration, would it comes to immigration, would it be robert jenrick? >> i mean, he did actually cut immigration, didn't he, when he was immigration. >> yes, he robert jenrick, but i think also you know, he's he's and he's also now seen as one of the favourites to win this contest. i also think dame priti patel, former home secretary close to boris johnson, you know, she's always been of the right of the conservative party and i think is something of a dark horse in this particular contest. i think there's, you know, there are some conservative colleagues of robert jenrick who are sort of raising an eyebrow, thinking to themselves, hang on a moment. you weren't always quite so right wing robert jenrick. >> yeah, that's the point that prince patel tried to make to me. actually, she was saying she hadnt me. actually, she was saying she hadn't been on a journey, but then robert jenrick hit back and said, well, you were responsible, i think, for the health and social care fees and

voted against his rwanda amendment. so there is a bit of blue on blue going on, but let's turn our attention to what's actually going on in downing street now, because apparently it's become engulfed in a vicious infighting row with the prime minister's chief of staff, sue gray, remember her reportedly blocking access to her boss even when he needs to be briefed on sensitive national security issues? speaking to the mail on sunday, one whitehall source accused sue gray of thinking that she runs the country. well, what's going on here? >> here? so there are two factions within downing street. there's sue gray, who of course is the chief of staff. and then there's morgan mcsweeney, who is there's morgan mcsweeney, who is the director of political strategy within downing street. and he was, of course , loyal to and he was, of course, loyal to keir and close to keir starmer ever since his leadership campaign going back to 2020. and he stayed with starmer right through to that election victory. and of course, starmer wanted to have a well—run, well—oiled machine within whitehall, and that's why he recruited sue gray. and of course, there was there were some there was a lot of criticism from the tories saying, hang on a moment. this was the woman brought to in

investigate boris johnson, and then suddenly she's now going to go and work for keir starmer. so when that was announced, it caused a furore at the time. but the two there are factions and, and the one thing i'd say is it never ends well when you have factions in downing street, it's impossible that you ever end up in a situation where everybody holds hands and agrees to sing kumbaya together. it just doesn't happen . you have to have doesn't happen. you have to have that split and it may not happen immediately. there may be some sort of cooling off, but eventually it is going to come to the point where neither morgan mcsweeney or sue gray can work together. keir starmer is going to have to make a choice, and he might decide to make that choice sooner rather than later, because he might decide that actually, for his own sanity, to get things moving and to make sure the government's moving in one direction, he wants to go. you know, just with one voice rather than two competing voices who obviously don't get on. and of course , morgan mcsweeney has of course, morgan mcsweeney has had his desk moved twice further away from the prime minister. so. so he's losing . it's clear

so. so he's losing. it's clear that at the moment he's losing this particular battle. but you can't have in downing street , can't have in downing street, you know, you have to have one message coming from the very top. it doesn't work to have competing voices for the prime minister's ear. no, indeed. >> i mean, sue gray has been accused of, you know, slightly bizarre issue of £310 million being given to a redevelopment of casement park stadium in belfast. a lot of people think, well, that's all that about. but also apparently reduced staff to tears during an inquiry into a leak about the party's plans to drop the £28 billion green pledge. so, you know she's on a roll , isn't she, really? if any roll, isn't she, really? if any of that is true. look, theo, can i just say a massive thank you for coming on again? a bit short and sweet tonight. we'll extend it next week, but thank you very much. i'll stay with the former lbc political editor. right. coming up next, as white police officers win a race discrimination claim, is it time to talk about anti—white racism? the police joined the raf and the army in coming up against it. now. stay tuned for that warm feeling inside from boxt

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gb news. >> it's 10 pm. on patrick christys tonight . black lives m atter. >> matter. >> black lives matter. >> black lives matter. >> we're always told about institutional racism, but i'm going to talk about diversity and how important it is to have people of all different cultures and backgrounds working for and working with the police. a police force has just discriminated against white british police officers. is it time to talk about anti—white racism? >> and welcome to the full time

job of living off the state. >> more than 9 million working age people are sitting on their backsides and not even looking for a job, which means, you know, immigration is at the pretty much the highest on record . we are going to keep record. we are going to keep suckling at the teat of mass migration, aren't we? also, the challenge is what the government's not giving us. >> the billions of pounds of money we need for new trains . money we need for new trains. >> well, shock, horror, the genius that is sadiq khan has managed to waste millions of pounds on a crackpot idea. >> say what you want. this was a coup. this was a coup of a president of the united states, donald trump and elon musk. >> break the internet. and this biological man is now competing at the paralympics. on my panel is broadcaster and commentator esther krakue, journalist jonathan lees, and political consultant suzanne evans. oh, yes. and what led up to this man on fire? everybody. yes. why don't you tell me what led up to that incident? get ready. britain, here we go .

britain, here we go. is britain institutionally racist against white people? next . next. >> very good evening to you from the gb newsroom. just after 10:00. patrick back up next. but first, a look at the top stories tonight and the health secretary says the deaths of three people stabbed to death in nottingham could and should have been prevented. barnaby webber, grace o'malley—kumar and ian coates were killed in june last year. errors were found in the mental health treatment valdo calocane received before the attack , received before the attack, according to a new report that includes his refusal to take medication. the trust involved, though , insists it has improved. though, insists it has improved. but wes streeting says the review shows the nhs made multiple and fundamental failures. >> what the care quality

commission have uncovered is deeply distressing, most of all for the families of grace barnaby and ian , who, in barnaby and ian, who, in addition to having to deal with the unbearable and unimaginable grief they're going through , are grief they're going through, are doing so in the knowledge that this could have been prevented and should have been prevented, that there wasn't a single point of failure , but multiple and of failure, but multiple and fundamental failures on the part of the nhs to manage valdo calocane treatment in a way that not only kept him safe, but most importantly kept others safe . importantly kept others safe. >> conservative leadership hopeful tom tugendhat has accused the prime minister of a failure of leadership over the recent riots. the former security minister said the disorder, seen on the uk's streets in the last two weeks, was completely unacceptable and condemned what he described as racist thugs as he opened a speech earlier in central london. >> this has been the government's first real test and

the prime minister fell short when we needed a strong government, we got a party in the mindset of opposition. we needed a leader, we got a lawyer waiting for the case to reach court. you have to be determined and aware throughout. you have to be ready to do the job from day one. >> well, we've heard tonight that a father and son duo have been jailed after police uncovered what's been described as an elaborate and fraudulent £130,000 get rich quick scheme . £130,000 get rich quick scheme. 62 year old paul matthews, matthews and deen, who's 40, bought discounted steam irons and then returned them to argos with forged receipts. the fake paperwork allowed them to take the reconditioned items back to the reconditioned items back to the retailer and claim they'd originally been purchased there . originally been purchased there. the duo have been sentenced to a total of five years in prison . total of five years in prison. iranian officials have told reporters tonight that only a

permanent ceasefire deal in gaza would prevent the country retaliating against israel for the killing of a hamas leader. it comes as concerns grow about stability across the region with america's top diplomat. tonight, anthony blinken, postponing his trip to the middle east. that last minute change to his schedule comes ahead of this week's gaza ceasefire talks on thursday. but uncertainty is looming after hamas launched rockets at tel aviv this morning for the first time in months, prompting israel to respond with airstrikes in gaza . donald trump airstrikes in gaza. donald trump has called joe biden's decision to quit the presidential race a coup. during a talk with tech billionaire elon musk, the interview last night finally got under way on social media platform x, with more than 1.3 million people tuning in, though there were some delays which musk blamed on a cyberattack dunng musk blamed on a cyberattack during their conversation, the us presidential candidate criticised the eu and his election opponent, kamala harris, and in sport , england

harris, and in sport, england cricket captain ben stokes has been sidelined for the rest of the summer after a scan revealed he suffered a torn hamstring. the 33 year old had to be helped off the field on sunday in a match against northern superchargers . ollie pope will superchargers. ollie pope will now lead the team in his place for the three match series against sri lanka, which starts next week. stokes, though, says he is aiming to be fit in time for october's tour of pakistan . for october's tour of pakistan. those are the latest headlines for now. i'm sam francis, back with you for another update. just after 11:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> i wonder whether it's time to talk about racism against white people. three white police officers have just won a discrimination case after being unfairly passed over for promotion because they were white british by thames valley

police. instead of going for one of those officers who have between 19 and 26 years experience in the police force, they parachuted in. sergeant sidhu to the role of detective inspector, despite them not even being promoted to inspector at the time. the police force then tried to cover this up by saying it was part of a bame progression programme, which it turned out, didn't even exist. so we have a major police force that's turned down very well qualified white candidates because they're white. just so sergeant sidhu can have a go to get the diversity numbers up . get the diversity numbers up. well, we're prioritising diversity over public safety, but it's not just the police, is it? the raf launched diversity targets that discriminated against white men. it turned out that the raf had a target to make sure 40% of the force was female, and 20% was from an ethnic minority background. by 2030. why? who cares? we're talking about the defence of the realm here. the army is just as bad. one recruiter revealed there was an annual training day

in the military, where personnel learnt about unconscious bias, microaggressions, safe spaces, pronouns and inclusion, and that there were woke targets for recruitment as well . m15 has recruitment as well. m15 has offered internships to everyone except white people only people from a black, asian and minority ethnic background could apply. and the media? apparently there's an advert for an internship on robert peston's political show again , white political show again, white people can't apply. can you imagine the outrage if we here @gbnews had an internship that only white working class boys could apply for ? we'd actually could apply for? we'd actually have some justification for it, though, wouldn't we? because working class white boys have been the least likely to make it to university since two thousand and seven. they also became the least likely to attend the uk's most elite universities. i think we should have a serious conversation about whether we actually need diversity targets, whether those targets could make us all less safe, and whether there is institutional racism against white people. let's get your thoughts on my panel this

evening. we've got columnist and broadcaster esther krakow. we've got political commentator jonathan less and political consultant suzanne evans. esther, do you think there is a case to say that in some instances here we've seen institutional racism against white people? >> i think so the road to hell is paved with good intentions. i think the idea of trying to get people from all walks of society, all walks of life involved in different organisations because you want to benefit from their experience and what they have to offer is a good thing. but we know consistently the way to do that is to give them the opportunity as opposed to giving them handouts. we know that your social class is a bigger impediment to you actually achieving things than your race or your your gender. so having access to education, access to , access to education, access to, to things that allow you to, to be more socially mobile, these are the ways to get people from all walks of life more involved. i think this idea that ethnic minorities want a handout instead of a helping hand is quite insulting, actually, because then what you eventually see happening is if you have all

these roles filled with these sort of dei targets , you sort of dei targets, you inherently look at these people and not think, oh, they're there because they deserve it, because they worked hard, but because of some arbitrary targets. and then you start to think, okay, what happens when this actually affects my life? what happens if my eye surgeon is a dei candidate or the person flying my plane is there because he's a dei candidate, or the person that's supposed to protect me from my abusive, i don't know, partner is a dei candidate. you actually start to embed in this in your mind, this idea that the people that don't actually deserve. and i think that actually does a disservice to the ethnic minorities are supposed to be serving. and i actually think it's also quite tone deaf, because unless you're actually an ethnic minority, you can't see the harm that you're doing by doing this. you just think, oh, we're giving them a helping hand, we're giving them this, and we're saying the helping hand that we need is better education, more more resources, more help to actually fulfil our potential as opposed to just handing out these roles. >> i mean, there's a case to be made there that we all actually have been made less safe, whether it's the police force, the raf, the army, or to a lesser extent, m15 by prioritising non—white people,

certainly in the case of the police force there, where the person that they actually gave the job to was was woefully underqualified compared to the numerous white candidates that applied. >> well, i think that you can go too far the other way when you're talking about being patronising by suggesting or appearing to suggest that people being put in these positions have no qualifications at all. that's what the tribunal have said. i have to say i have to say, patrick, that the language you just used in this, in this speech was a little bit nasty. just so sergeant said, you can have a go. i mean, this isn't someone who's just plucked off from from the street and put into a senior position. this is clearly someone who would have had who would have had a chance at getting a job. and clearly the others were told not to apply. >> jonathan, look, it's the i think we have to be really careful about the way we describe these things clearly , describe these things clearly, that there should be a free and open meritocratic and meritocratic processes for job applications. >> that doesn't mean that people

who get past white people are somehow not equipped for the job. >> i know people weren't allowed to go for that was wrong, but i think that you can go too far. >> the other direction and appear to suggest that people who beat white applicants in in fair and square job interviews have somehow got there because they're a diverse. >> well, i'm not suggesting that. >> i know you're not. i'm suggesting that there are numerous situations where we've had we've not been able to recruit enough people to fly off fighter jets when we keep recruit enough people to fly off fighterjets when we keep being fighter jets when we keep being told that we're going to have national conscription of world war iii is breaking out, because 40% of them supposedly are to be women. >> and 20% are to be an ethnic minority, i think, suzanne, do you care when world war iii happens, whether or not the person engaging in the defence of the realm happens to be a woman or an ethnic minority? >> no, of course not. and i've long said that we should rip up the equality act, because this idea that certain people in our in our communities have protected characteristics is just so insane. so, for instance, i know so many gay people who are not victims , who people who are not victims, who don't need help, who don't need

protection from the law. they are among some of the wealthiest and most competent people i know, at the same with some older people at the same with black minority ethnic people . black minority ethnic people. this idea that some people need a helping hand. esther, i think, actually summed it up beautifully. it kind of a makes you think that they're not good enough. and so they need help. and i feel it does portray them as victims, which is wrong. >> the issue with having broad targets is you look at people as members of groups as opposed to individuals. of course, you can have sort of a gay person that would need a helping hand or a white working class person that could need a helping hand, but you shouldn't class them based on the sort of broad group that they belong to. you should look at it on a case by case basis. and i think these arbitrary targets of 40% have to be women, or 20% have to be. >> and it's so wrong to redress injustices, but they are flawed. >> but it creates more injustice giving people a helping hand. >> it's about reversing systemic injustice and discrimination. >> but that's not that doesn't happen anymore . happen anymore. >> it's gone the other way. >> it's gone the other way. >> that's the point. you're

you're you're more than just than just a gay white man. and that's the point. i'm making you. you may need a helping hand. maybe because you face injustice because of your sexuality, but at the end of the day, you're still being looked at as jonathan the individual. and that's the point that i'm making. it should be looked at on an individual, case by case basis. if you're if your argument is you're trying to reverse the wrongs of the past of discrimination, all of that, you need to look at the root causes. why are people not even being able to apply for those jobs was because of opportunities that they haven't had when they were younger. >> just creates more injustice because you rule people out. >> there has been racism in in all walks of british employment. >> now there's racism many, many decades. >> and that's why you do sometimes have to have blunt instruments. there was a very famous quote by a us supreme court justice many years ago when he said that in to order get past racism, we have to take account of race. and that was kind of laying the grounds for kind of laying the grounds for kind of laying the grounds for kind of a supreme court acceptance of positive discrimination. >> but is this white guilt now? >> but is this white guilt now? >> but is this white guilt now? >> but how is it positive if you're the one being discriminated against? >> i don't think those terms are

helpful. >> patrick. i think that we have to acknowledge and many people even on the right would acknowledge this. >> do you have a sense that has been how is how is it discrimination? >> how how is the discrimination positive if you're the one being discriminated against? at the end of the day? here's the thing i'm all for trying to give people the opportunities that they deserve, but you have to listen to the communities that you're affecting. if black people in this country are saying it is because of lack of educational opportunities, it is because of lack of certain types of government funding or all of that. you have to listen to those people. you cannot then say as a person who's not an ethnic minority, oh, this is how we're going to reverse the racism of the past. we're going to use this blunt, blunt instrument and say, there must be 40% key phrase that's not listening to the groups that you're trying to actually help. >> the key phrase is equal opportunities. and unfortunately, diversity, equality , inclusion has led to equality, inclusion has led to in equal opportunities and ruling some people out. >> and i have particular that's the problem. >> but it's happening now and it's gone too far much the other way. >> if we if we genuinely had always had equal opportunities and that sort of black asian people had never been

discriminated against, and obviously there was racism, there's no doubt about it. >> we should we should have we should have conceivably we should have conceivably we should have conceivably we should have job applications that only irish people or irish catholics. >> i don't think we shouldn't be job. >> we shouldn't be should only be open to certain ethnicities or groups of people. i don't , or groups of people. i don't, unless we agree on that, unless it is something, unless it is specifically to be a black representation officer. i wouldn't expect to be. >> can i just make a point about this particular case of the policeman and what i think it's being seen as like a triumph for anti—white discrimination. really but i don't think that's quite what it is. if you look at the judge's comments, it seemed to be the case that there wasn't a competitive process, which is the issue. so had sergeant sidhu been promoted as part of a competitive process and may or may not have been the best person for the job, i think the ruling would have been very different. so i'm not quite sure this is the triumph that some people should. >> we have now internships that are only for working class white boys? >> no, boys? >> no , because the same >> no, because the same principle applies. i don't think

anybody should should there shouldn't be anyone who's excluded. i think if you're talking about jobs and opportunities, they've got to be equal opportunities, they've got to be equal, not favourable to one group or another, case by case bafis. group or another, case by case basis . and if there is racism to basis. and if there is racism to be found in any kind of job application process, then that should be prosecuted. and dealt with. >> yeah. i mean, what do you think about blind cvs? the idea of everyone's cvs got a number and then you just take it from there or not? jonathan. >> yeah i think that's a very reasonable approach to take. that happens in in many walks of life. i think actually a lot of companies are getting rid of cvs altogether because they, they, they say that it's a privileges people who've had some certain education. yeah, exactly. people who've been sort of tutored into the system. and that's why they've kind of reformed university applications and all this stuff to level the playing field. i think that ultimately most people , want a level most people, want a level playing field. i think there are some people who think that the scales have been tipped in one direction. there are other people who feel that it's been tipped in the in the other

direction, obviously. well, not obviously, but i do believe that we still have huge problems of discrimination, institutional, systemic discrimination in this country that affect, overwhelmingly, people who do come from traditionally marginalised groups and we still have a lot of work to rectify that. that doesn't mean that white people can't be victims of racism. >> you know what i think one of the one of the biggest problems with discrimination now is discrimination in the workplace against people with right wing views. >> okay. and i've spoken to so many people in gb news. well that's perhaps one exception, someone that i, you know , i've someone that i, you know, i've spoken to so many people during the eu referendum who didn't dare speak out about the fact that they were voting leave. i've spoken to people in work who don't say they're voting ukip or reform or conservative. it's a massive issue, i get that, but how would that conversation even come up? >> like, politics is one of those things that i've always known to avoid at work in general. so like, how's that going? well, it's not as well as i would have hoped, but it does come up. >> unfortunately. i get it, but

it does. >> i mean, it really does. i, i think that's one of those things that just needs to stay out of the workplace in general. people's political views. okay. >> interesting. right okay. another lively start. thank you very, very much for that. now when we come back, we'll deliver all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages. i'll reveal as well what led to this moment. the full clip is absolutely extraordinary. as a bloke emerging on fire from a shop there, i wonder what happened before that. but next 9.5 million working age brits are out of work and foreign labour is being used to plug these gaps. so how do we stop worklessness from fuelling the migrant crisis? former tory mp and member of the home affairs select committee, marco longhi, is live and he's next. stay tuned

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now britain's worklessness problem is spiralling out of control and fuelling the migration crisis as well. so a whopping. and by the way, get your head around these figures. okay, 9.5 million people of working age are neither in work or looking for work, so they're economically inactive. that's according to the office for national statistics. that number has jumped by 1 statistics. that number has jumped by1 million since before jumped by 1 million since before covid in 2019, and long term sickness , alongside a sharp sickness, alongside a sharp increase in the number of students, is a key driver behind this rise. uk born people account for 833,000 of that increase, with 230,000 people

born in other countries on that list as well. the number of british born people in work has also fallen by 967,000 since the late 2019, while there has been an increase of just over1 million migrants employed in the uk during the same period. so the economic picture is clear. all right, fewer british born people are working and foreign born labour is filling that gap. to analyse this now i'm joined by former tory mp, member of the home affairs committee as well, marco longhi. marco, thank you very, very much . what are we very, very much. what are we going to do here about the work shy and the feckless ? shy and the feckless? >> i think it's a little more complicated than just just saying work shy and feckless. of course, there are those who will game the system. there are those who are work shy. but i actually think that it's a bit more complicated if you look at the average salary for a factory worker in manufacturing or a

care worker, for example, in germany doing exactly the same thing as a worker here in the uk they earn best part of eight and a half to 9500 pounds more than they do here in the uk. and what we've had in this country is a legacy over decades and decades and decades , which is an and decades, which is an addiction to immigration. and we always go after the cheapest labour without investing in the skills and technology and the jobs for the future, and actually paying people more for those jobs. so yes, we do need to reform the welfare system so that those who are able and fit to work should be working. but there are also other parts of that equation that we need to address. it's much more complicated than just looking at some ons figures . some ons figures. >> it is. but i also think let's deal with the benefit system bit of this verse, because we constantly keep being told about how awful the benefit system is.

oh, you know, these poor people, they need more benefits. well, if 9.5 million people have decided that the benefit system in britain is good enough for them to live off, then it's obviously all right, isn't it? if, in fact, i would argue it's too good. >> well, there'd be a lot of people who would agree with you, and i would agree with you in principle as well. there will be also a number of people amongst those numbers there, for which i wouldn't want to generalise, who have fallen on very hard times through no fault of their own . through no fault of their own. but yes, look, we have a problem and every time a conservative government has tried to address that problem, well, it's the nasty tories. well guess what, it's not the tories who are in charge anymore. now it's labour. let's see what they want to do. all i can say to you, patrick, is that the problem is not going to be fixed by that addiction that we have to cheap labour. you do not just solve this problem by keep on importing cheaper and cheaper labour. all you are doing is creating a bigger problem for the future

because you bring in that cheap laboun because you bring in that cheap labour. they need housing, their wives and their children and their relatives all need housing as well. public services are put under more and more strain . we under more and more strain. we do have british people who should be working in british jobs, and that's the equation that we need to sort out. and that we need to sort out. and that is, i'm afraid to say, is you know, those employers who are not prepared to pay more money for the jobs that are out there , then they need to be there, then they need to be thinking about, you know, how competitive are they ? you know, competitive are they? you know, should they be relying on imported labour all the time ? imported labour all the time? and should those economic advisers to number 10 and to the treasury keep on saying, oh , treasury keep on saying, oh, immigration is good, immigration will increase gdp and all the rest of it? no, it does not, because gdp per capita is falling and falling all the time. we are constantly being told that productivity here in the uk is very low. well, yeah, productivity will always be low when you're relying on cheap labour instead of investing in in it. instead of investing in

high tech and in training those people in those jobs. and guess what? paying them to do those jobs. >> yeah. i mean, actually, we have the number of people currently unemployed in britain and not looking for work to fill every single job vacancy in britain at the moment, don't we? we actually conceivably do not need to rope in anyone any cheap labour anyway. you could argue from places like india or nigeria, which is where the vast majority of this has been coming from. >> absolutely. so india and nigeria are the two countries that have abused our visa system for students and that absolutely needs to stop without question. and that, you know, and to be fair to rishi, you know, he, he did put a stop to that, but it was too late in the day and he called an election very early. so we haven't had been able to see the benefit of putting a stop to that . it's wrong. you stop to that. it's wrong. you know, if you go to australia or to the united states, you go, you study, you don't take your

your aunt , you study, you don't take your your aunt, your uncle or your children with you. you go to study and you come back. we see differently apparently here in the uk and those advisers who advise government at the time to relax those rules were completely wrong and have been proven to be wrong. but, you know, let you know labour wanted the job. they need to sort that problem out. let's see what they will do. and all the signs are that those flood gates are going to be even more wide open to people coming in, and that addiction to cheap labour and more and more immigration is going to continue under labour. >> marco, look, thank you very much. great to see you again. all the best. hope to talk to you again very soon. it's marco longhi, the former tory mp, member of the home affairs select committee. i don't really see how that can continue. 9.5 million people not in work, not looking for work. and yet we could import the best part of a million people every single year to come and fill job applications. it's bonkers, isn't it? chancellor rachel reeves said today's figures show there is more to do in supporting people into employment, because if you can work, you should work. this will be part of my budget. later in

the year, i'll be making difficult decisions on spending , difficult decisions on spending, welfare and tax, to fix the foundations of our economy so we can rebuild britain and make every part of our country better off, coming up, an israeli couple are hounded out of a comedy gig after they objected to israel being compared to an abusive husband. should any joke be off limits? we'll get stuck into that shortly. but next, i'll bring you the very first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages, and i'll reveal went on before that i played you earlier of a bloke

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight. i'm clutching in my hand the very first of tomorrow's front pages. so let's do it. we start with the daily mail, starmer told get a grip of work shy britain. we've actually just spoken about that. worklessness is at a 12 year high. it's an absolute shocker. 9.5 million people are ridiculous. the independent shame of british judge keeping

free speech. hero in jail. interesting. this time is running out to save my father. say son of imprisoned democracy campaigner jimmy say son of imprisoned democracy campaignerjimmy lai as former hong kong governor chris patten condemns overseas judge for upholding acts of vengeance by china. there's also , a picture china. there's also, a picture there of stonehenge and a meteor shower above it. let's go to the daily star , get your kit on daily star, get your kit on calls to find the bare belly. burke's exhibitionist bloke should stop taking their tops off in public during heat waves , off in public during heat waves, because the rest of us find it grim. yeah okay. i mean, we do find it a bit grim, but i would politely suggest that you can't really say this on national television. it's not just the men. i said it anyway, the metro retaliation is our right serious story. now iran tells starmer in phone call fears of full scale war as angry leader snubs plea for calm. he wants revenge on israel after hamas chief killed on his turf. right, so it is. well, i was going to say it's hotting up in the middle east.

that's an understatement, isn't it? the i musk's x using far right hate to sell adverts. tech billionaire faces backlash after ads for the telegraph saudi arabia travel and finance firms appear alongside right wing far right viral messaging. all right. okay, let's go to the telegraph now, 40% surge in children on disability benefits . children on disability benefits. i mean, good grief. deep cuts to armed forces as well in hi tech overhaul. okay, so those are you those are your front pages. i am welcoming back my press pack, whose columnist and broadcaster esther krakue political consultant, as well suzanne evans and of course , political evans and of course, political commentator jonathan evans and of course, political commentatorjonathan les, evans and of course, political commentator jonathan les, we've just got time to whizz through one of these. i think , really, one of these. i think, really, the 40% surge in children on disability benefits . you've got disability benefits. you've got claims for adhd and autism up £200,000 since covid amid warnings over our economy. you couple that with the fact that literally on the same front page, i want to make deep cuts to our armed forces in a hi tech

overhaul and another front page actually , you've got basically actually, you've got basically 9.5 million people on the take in britain. so what what is going on here? >> well , sorry. who are you >> well, sorry. who are you asking me on? jonathan? suzanne. okay that's all right. so, yeah, the 9.2 million is seriously worrying. however, i think it does have to be said that that includes people like my lovely next door neighbours who retired aged 55, and a very happy thank you. and no drain on the state whatsoever. but they are working age, so technically not in employment or looking for employment. so i think the figures are slightly over overegged a little bit as far as this 40% surge in children on disability benefits goes , it disability benefits goes, it does seem to be that claims for adhd and autism are up very considerably now. i kind of got mixed feelings about this. i do sometimes wonder if perhaps there's some overdiagnosis going on, but i also think the jury is still very much out on what causes adhd and autism. and i think until we really get to the root of that problem, we're not going to get very nervous. >> i'm thinking like, how much of that is down to sort of lack

of that is down to sort of lack of support, particularly community support, and also the impact of lockdown on on sort of children and kind of delaying particularly really young children of really young age, their ability to be verbal to, to interact with their peers because for three years they were basically locked down. they didn't have that kind of interaction that would help with verbal development and emotional intelligence. i'm not saying thatis intelligence. i'm not saying that is the reason why , but i do that is the reason why, but i do think we kind of have to look at kind of the wider context. yeah, 100%. >> i mean, i often think have we always had this? have we always had this proportion of people with adhd and autism? because if we have had that, then what did we have had that, then what did we do with them? where where were they? were they all completely and utterly disadvantaged in their daily lives ? lives? >> and people people had miserable childhoods, often because they didn't get the diagnosis and the support they needed. you talk to people who didn't get the dyslexia diagnosis that would have helped them through school for example, and were diagnosed in adulthood. you have people who get these diagnoses of autism or adhd or

ocd. should they be getting disability benefit for that? >> that's the thing, isn't it? >> that's the thing, isn't it? >> the thing is that people who've been through these processes know that you don't just sort of turn up with a begging bowl and sort of get lots of money. these things are actually really hard. and, you know, one of the hallmarks of the last conservative government was actually making people jump through incredible hoops and quite demeaning, debilitating hoops to get the support. >> but also, you know, i know people with adhd, adhd. >> two years ago, i hadn't even gonein >> two years ago, i hadn't even gone in there for that. and then they said they could sign me up to all sorts of results as well. >> and i also know people with adhd who are incredibly successful and doing incredibly well. yeah, well, there you go. >> so you mentioned ocd, i think i think i've definitely got a bit of ocd. isn't necessarily to begrudge, but we cope, we survive. not necessarily to begrudge families that take out disability benefits for their children who have been diagnosed. >> i think it's questioning what is the best and probably most efficient way for the state to support them, you know, we're not going to say, oh, your kid has adhd , therefore they're a has adhd, therefore they're a

drain. it's like, are we actually doing our best to support them? is this the best way to support them, to give their families more money? is there something that could be more community focused, that could actually help them cope with that better? are we going to address the impact of lockdown? i mean, these are bigger questions. >> also, sometimes kids are just naughty. yeah, that is the thing. absolutely. >> no, it's true, it's true. >> but no no no. moving on. the edinburgh fringe is tonight embroiled in an anti—semitism storm after two israeli audience members were supposedly sworn at and called genocidal and hounded out of a comedy gig, which one theatre critic has described as theatre critic has described as the popular festival's ugliest moments ever. the israeli couple objected to the american comedian reginald d hunter's comparison of israel to an abusive husband before the audience turned on them, shouting you're not welcome and free palestine, and i mean, is that a is that a totally tasteless joke? do we? i mean, look, it's never right to be hounded out of a comedy gig. is it? >> i suppose i don't think you should go to a comedy gig if there's something that can offend you so much that you you

will be vocal about it. i think that's that's my policy. generally speaking. i think free speech is particularly in comedy, is very important. i actually, and i say this with the full knowledge that there's absolutely nothing anyone can say about the israel—gaza conflict that will not be controversial to someone. there is no comment you can make, whether in a comedy show or just reporting as a journalist or whatever, that someone will not take offence to. i'm not surprised it happened on this particular topic, but there's so many topics that people would take offence to. you could you could make jokes about literally anything male female dynamics or whatever. >> what do you think when you've got a kind of audience, though, shouting, you know, stop the genocide and free palestine at an israeli couple, is that right? >> i think when the audience start picking on members of the audience, then a line has definitely been crossed. but i agree with esther. absolutely nothing in comedy should be off limits. really, i criticism of the state of israel is not anti—semitism. >> no. that's criticism. >> no. that's criticism. >> i do agree with you on that. >> i do agree with you on that. >> i do agree with you on that. >> i told you we'd find lots of

things we agreed on if we talk for long enough. >> jonathan. >> jonathan. >> also, i think if people that went with the spirit to hound out the couple were not in a very comedic jovan owusu—nepaul anyway, i think they were. i think they go they lost the reginald d hunter said. >> something was like an abusive marriage. it was like being married to israel, which is actually in the grand pantheon of jokes, is not such an offensive. >> i mean, dave chappelle literally said something wasn't right. >> i mean, i, i mean, i would have laughed at that if i, if i'd been in the audience and apparently this this israeli couple shouted, not funny. and so obviously fair enough. that's their right. it's obviously their right. it's obviously their right. it's obviously their right as a heckle and obviously heckle. reginald d hunter is one of the most talented comedians out there. he's going to hit back now. what happened after that appears to have crossed the line . have crossed the line. absolutely. it's completely wrong to bully audience members that could have been handled a lot better. >> it seems. >> it seems. >> and i've been in a situation at a comedy where something i think completely i mean, i'm not a conservative party member, but somebody said something extremely rude and i think totally out of order about the conservative party using a very rude word that i won't repeat here. and i thought that was

beyond the pale. but the audience all cheered. but of course, that would have been my right to walk out there if i wanted to. >> a classic of the genre, right? okay, now, now, elon musk has been making waves in the uk with his outspoken criticism of keir starmer, and it's no different across the pond in america. so the billionaire interviewed donald trump on x last night and undeterred by the attempt on his life, trump said he'll go back to the same town in which he was nearly assassinated last month . assassinated last month. >> people are fantastic in butler. it's a big it's a great area, great. these are incredible people like the three that in the case of corey killed and the other two, the families are i got to know them a little bit and the families are great and nobody left. you know, you had a small group behind us and the grandstand and that was full. and you look at it as it was taking place and normally they'd be running. they didn't leave. they saw that i was hurt, they saw a lot of blood and they saw that i went down. and it's almost like they wanted to be

with me. >> okay . i mean, look, so >> okay. i mean, look, so firstly i will say is that i do think that trump's getting up from that assassination attempt is one of the most epic things i've ever seen. i thought that was just absolutely, unbelievably cool , unbelievably unbelievably cool, unbelievably cool. and what i will also say is , for a bloke who doesn't is, for a bloke who doesn't drink, donald trump does not drink. okay. and he sounded a bit odd there. i thought, yeah, i mean, he genuinely slurs his words anyway, but i think he might have been . might have been. >> doesn't slur that often. >> doesn't slur that often. >> yeah, i think he's a very lazy speaker. >> he doesn't speak well. never has really. >> the problem is that actually now biden's out of the race, we have one old man with visible cognitive and mental decline, and trump doesn't like that. >> oh, i don't think he has any i don't think trump has any cognitive decline at all. >> sharp as a razor. >> sharp as a razor. >> you compare him. obviously i loathe him , i detest him. i look loathe him, i detest him. i look at interviews that he did in the 80s and you think, oh, this is actually a smart guy. this this

is this is a guy who who has some serious thoughts in his head. now you listen to. >> but we can't we can't listen to asylum seekers and their mental. unfortunately, we can't listen to jonathan, to kamala harris, who said some unbelievably weird stuff, because she's refusing to do interviews. so, you know, she so l, interviews. so, you know, she so i, i'm not a spokesman for everybody as they get older, it gets a little bit slower. >> you can't blame him for that. >> you can't blame him for that. >> the other day and asked them, well, they also said that she was outside a record store where she miraculously anas sarwar and she miraculously anas sarwar and she brought a load of records that appealed. >> they thought, they thought appeal to people who were of the black demographic, and they got her to read out what records she'd bought, and it was just ridiculous. it's not. it's not proper, is it? >> you will even you would have to admit that harris is really inspiring a lot of enthusiasm she is attracting draws the crowds to her, to her rallies that biden could never have dreamed of. and there is. and tim waltz as well. >> real enthusiasm. >> real enthusiasm. >> very careful if you're talking about crowds drawn to rallies. that's not necessarily

a mark of a good politician. >> i'm saying there's enthusiasm, and that's certainly the metric that i'm saying. >> yeah, but i'm saying that it's probably people would prefer her than the bloke who everyone knew had dementia for a very long time and couldn't stand up. >> i don't think that biden has dementia. i think that's been proven. >> coming up, i'll reveal what led to this dramatic moment. the full clip is extraordinary, so make sure that you stay tuned. next. yes, that's right, someone coming out of a building actually on fire. what on earth has happened there? but first, i'll bring a few more of newspaper front pages. stay tuned.

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight. i've got some more front pages for you, so let's do it. all right. the times. no worries, mate, head to australia for a life two years longer. there you go. but by the time you've got there, i suppose half of that's over, isn't it? anyway, so we've got rail attacks on rail attacks on women attacks on rail attacks on women at 50%, rise in violence and sexual offences on women reported of harassment of double. it's another story ,

double. it's another story, really, about a total lack of safety for women on the streets. the daily mirror, they've got a picture story here of freddie flintoff, a hero's journey . and flintoff, a hero's journey. and of course he was in a horrific accident there whilst filming for top gear and has now kind of bounced back. also, his son is doing unbelievably well for lancashire cricket club and i believe scored another 100 for england under 21 seconds. i think the other day. so rocky flintoff is one to watch. but anyway, middle east on the brink. get ready to flee. emergency plan to evacuate brits from israel as war fears mount and the daily express don't blame uk's finances for not fixing the pension injustice . fixing the pension injustice. campaigners argue it would be outrageous to deny thousands compensation. this is victims of a £1 billion state pension injustice, they say . right, injustice, they say. right, okay, we've not got too much time left . so what i'm going to time left. so what i'm going to do is with us through to a story that i think you might have missed. now i wonder if sadiq khan wants the good news or the bad news about his crackdown on the transport fare dodgers. these are people who, you know

are dodging the fares on public transport. well the good news for the mayor of london's tough talking enforcement action is that it raised 1.3 million. okay, the bad news is that it cost £22 million, meaning that it costs about 20 times more than it saved . that is vintage than it saved. that is vintage sadiq khan ladies and gentlemen, isn't it? i mean, is this is this kind of sums it up, doesn't it? i'm really in a way which is we're going to get tough on people dodging fares. it's going to save the taxpayer £1.3 million. how much is it going to cost ? 20 million. how much is it going to cost? 20 mill. >> what cost? £22 million. i can't understand how the heck did they manage to spend that much? but then you look at city hall spending it is appalling. across the board every year the taxpayers alliance does what they call the city hall rich list. and you look at who's being paid what and how much money is wasted, and it is absolutely disgusting. this is typical absolutely typical. and it's just the tip of the iceberg. >> i'm going to say something unpopular, but i feel a bit

sorry for sadiq khan. i think the issue of fare dodging is more actually a social issue than anything. now, i'm not saying that people dodge tfl fares because they're poor. i do think that these are poorly raised individuals that have no respect for law and order. you see people dodging or jumping see people dodging orjumping over the barriers and you see people in the station standing by not wanting to do anything they're told not to. >> they're told not to for their own safety. >> if you wanted to do something, what if that person has a knife on him? >> they're told not to. >> they're told not to. >> i think this is this is much bigger than just police officers. >> i mean, i know we're not, but we're talking about the type of person with the with no more morals that thinks it's acceptable to do that. >> and i get that you can lay that at the feet of sadiq khan, i get that. >> but what i think we can't let this sadiq khan is that he's cost the best part of £19 million, not sorting it out. but anyway, a tfl spokesperson said this we take fare evasion extremely seriously and we try to ensure that wherever possible, fare evaders themselves, not fare paying customers or taxpayers, pay the cost of fare evasion. we know that our revenue protection work is a cost effective investment,

which provides an important deterrent to potential fare evaders and helps ensure around 96% of our customers do pay their fares. >> that's actually a fair point, because you look, hey, well , a because you look, hey, well, a fair point it is. >> most people do pay. oh, very good. >> but when you're looking at that, you know, you might be looking at people, the money that you've actually recouped, but it's also people who you are who see the officers there and dup the fares. >> all right. fair enough. right now here's the moment an arsonist sets himself on fire after pouring petrol over a barber shop . right when we come barber shop. right when we come back off this . back off this. >> what is actually quite idiotic. yeah i mean, that is a darwin award right there, isn't it ? it? >> look at that. how did it go, mate? setting fire to that barber shop? well, you know , barber shop? well, you know, setting fire to barbershop. well, it was probably some beef, you know, you got a dodgy haircut. we've all been there. we've all been there anyway. anyway, so one of the men used a

hammer. he smashed through the shop, got in and set himself on fire. i mean, what a cretin, right? time to reveal his greatest fryston union jackass. we're gonna have to be quick with this, people. i'm afraid so, esther. who's your greatest? britain, please. >> so the police officers who won the discrimination case. because i think it's important to raise the alarm and not make our forces inferior in the name of some arbitrary metrics. >> rock on. okay. who's yours ? jonathan. >> the residents of beckenham who crowdfunded , a fee. how much who crowdfunded, a fee. how much is it ? is it? >> very good. >> very good. >> yeah, £3,000 for a street cleaner. >> a popular street cleaner on houday >> a popular street cleaner on holiday to visit relatives. i think in portugal now we have the company veolia and the council saying that that amounts to some kind of gift or inducement, and he's not allowed to take it. and we have, we have this ridiculous situation where can't you just let people live? >> it's i find it. >> it's i find it. >> tory mps stepped in to back him up, haven't they. so i mean, okay, it's the wonderful author and journalist douglas murray, who is always right on

everything. sorry, jonathan. he is for going after alastair campbell, who tried to get the met police to take an interest in him this week, and he put campbell in his place, reminding him about his record on the iraq war. and david kelly, i'll say no more about it for legal reasons. >> okay. you're not a fan. >> okay. you're not a fan. >> good stuff. all right. so today's winners of the greatest britain are the police officers that won a race discrimination case. more power to them. i say. actually, it's about time people clamp down on perceived anti—white racism. right? who is your union jackass >> this story of valentina petrillo, who is, oh, yeah. i think it was valentin before he became valentina. anyway, let's not go into that, but, she is an athlete at the paralympics, yeah. she wasn't always a she. and i just think if you're like a disabled athlete, as a female, you already have enough working against you to now have to be deaung against you to now have to be dealing with this. i'm sorry. >> yeah. yeah, that is a that is a biological male who is now competing against people at the paralympics. yeah. so okay,

jonathan, who's your union? jackass? please >> elon musk. oh yeah. >> elon musk. oh yeah. >> all right. suzanne, who's your union jackass? >> you didn't say much about that. i think you might have guessed already. from what i said earlier, it's sadiq khan for his idiotic lack of control of money. >> okay. which we have just discussed. right. today's winner of the union jackass award goes to valentina petrillo, who is competing at the paralympics, apparently they do have some kind of eyesight issue , and they kind of eyesight issue, and they are biologically, apparently male and are now competing against essentially disabled people . i just i find that people. i just i find that absolutely bonkers. but anyway. right. thank you , thank you, right. thank you, thank you, thank you everybody. and thank you very much to everybody who's been watching and listening at home and everybody who makes this show possible. headliners are up next. they're going to whizz you through the papers in much more detail. and we'll see you again tomorrow at 9 pm. >> a brighter outlook with boxt

solar, sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. good evening . welcome >> hello. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you from the met office. cooler and clearer across northern areas tonight. damp and cloudy further east, which will mean any viewing of the meteor shower will be a bit limited for more central and eastern areas. that's because this weather front that's been lingering across the west will finally push further eastwards overnight. tonight spreading cloud and rain into central areas of england. at first, this evening and then into the southeast, probably by tomorrow morning. further north and west, though, it's clearing up quite nicely and the winds will ease as well after a breezy day, so that will allow temperatures to fall away much lower than they have done lately. we could be down as low as 4 or 5 degrees rurally some towns and cities dipping into the single figures as well, but pretty murky. start across central areas of england and the southeast first thing tomorrow. plenty of sunshine though, for the far north of scotland in particular eastern

areas. seeing a great a great start to the day. but as i said, it could be fairly fresh. but the sun will come up and warm things up quite quickly. fairly good conditions across parts of northern ireland, northern england, western wales as well. but it's northeast england, central areas and parts of the south—east are likely to see quite a grey start to the day. risk of rain is more limited. i think some of us will see some patchy drizzle at least through the morning. that could last into the afternoon, particularly across the far southeast. but in general it will turn a little bit brighter as we head into the afternoon across central areas and across the north. it's going to be a fairly fine day. plenty of sunny spells and it should stay dry. light, lighter winds mean it will feel fairly warm in the sunshine. highs of 22 or 23 degrees, but the next band of wet weather is arriving on thursday morning, wet weather is arriving on thursday morning , particularly thursday morning, particularly across

gb news. >> very good evening to you. you're with gb news headliners up next. first though, a look at the headlines tonight. the prime ministers said to be considering a judge led public inquiry into the nottingham stabbings last yeah the nottingham stabbings last year. it comes after the health secretary acknowledged the nhs made multiple and fundamental failures in the care given to valdo calocane. he killed grace o'malley—kumar , barnaby webber o'malley—kumar, barnaby webber andian o'malley—kumar, barnaby webber and ian coates in 2023. wes streeting says their deaths could and should have been prevented . prevented. >> what the care quality

commission have uncovered is deeply distressing. most of all for the families of grace barnaby and ian, who, in addition to having to deal with the unbearable and unimaginable grief they're going through, are doing so in the knowledge that this could have been prevented and should have been prevented, that there wasn't a single point of failure, but multiple and fundamental failures on the part of the nhs to manage valdo calocane treatment in a way that not only kept him safe, but most importantly kept others safe . importantly kept others safe. >> streeting there, speaking earlier, well, an update on news in the middle east now and iranian officials have told reporters that only a permanent ceasefire deal in gaza would prevent the country from retaliating against israel for the killing of a hamas leader in recent days. it comes as concerns grow about stability across the region, with america's top diplomat tonight postponing his trip to the region. the last minute change to anthony blinken's schedule

comes ahead of this week's gaza