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pay people behind me haven't had a pay rise for five years. >> half a decade. regardless of what you earn, you feel that you have a right to demand a pay rise. >> our labour lying to us about the state of the economy and. hey, hey , stop poking nana ncuti hey, hey, stop poking nana ncuti gatwa i reveal harry and meghan's absolutely ridiculous plans for their columbia trip on my panel tonight. it is journalist and columnist harriet sergeant. we've got tory peer lord bailey and ex—labour party adviser matthew laza. oh, yes. and what's going on . here? get and what's going on. here? get ready britain, here we go . ready britain, here we go. is labour lying about coming for your money? next .

your money? next. >> patrick, thank you very much . >> patrick, thank you very much. and good evening. the top stories. we start this news bulletin with some breaking news that a large fire has broken out in an apartment block here in london's paddington, alongside the canal. we will try to bring you some photos as soon as we get them. large plumes of smoke can be seen billowing from a cracked window, and debris is also falling onto the street below. we have heard bystanders shouting and urging others who could potentially still be inside to get out, if they can. hundreds of people have been gathering outside. at least four fire crews are now on the scene and we will bring you more on that as we get it. in other news, hollywood actor matthew perry's assistant and two doctors are among five people who have been charged after the friends star died from an accidental ketamine overdose last october. a us attorney said the investigation uncovered a broad underground criminal network responsible for distributing a large quantity of

ketamine to perry and to others. the 54 year old was found unresponsive in the pool at his residence in los angeles. a medical examiner said. perry had been receiving ketamine infusion for therapy for depression and anxiety, with his last known treatment one and a half weeks pnor treatment one and a half weeks prior to his death . well, us prior to his death. well, us attorney for the central district of california , martin district of california, martin estrada, spoke during a press conference this evening. >> as i mentioned , the >> as i mentioned, the defendants in this case knew what they were doing was wrong. when they refer to the ketamine, they used coded language. they refer to it using terms such as quote, doctor pepper or quote bots, or quote cans . also, bots, or quote cans. also, defendants plascencia and chavez as medical doctors knew full well this was not the proper way to administer ketamine, and they even talked about that in their exchanges . exchanges. >> in other news, the proportion of a—level entries awarded top grades is up on last year and remains above pre—pandemic

levels. hundreds of thousands of students in england, wales and northern ireland received their exam results today. more than three quarters of english 18 year old applicants have been accepted into their first choice of university, according to the government . but education government. but education secretary bridget phillipson earlier said there are still inequalities in the education system . sweden has confirmed it system. sweden has confirmed it has recorded its first case of a contagious new variant of monkeypox, a day after the world health organisation declared it a global health emergency . the a global health emergency. the strain emerged in the democratic repubuc strain emerged in the democratic republic of congo, with more than 17,000 cases and 571 deaths in africa this year, according to the who , which exceeds last to the who, which exceeds last year's total. scientists from the africa centres for disease control and prevention report 96% of all cases and deaths have beenin 96% of all cases and deaths have been in d.r.congo. the uk health security agency says there are currently no cases of the virus here in the uk, and its deputy director claims that that risk is currently considered low and

the duke and duchess of sussex have been welcomed to colombia as they begin their four day tour of the south american nation. harry and meghan were met in the capital bogota, by colombia's vice president francia marquez and her husband. they spent around half an hour at the vice president's residence , where they exchanged residence, where they exchanged welcome gifts and were offered tea , coffee and traditional tea, coffee and traditional colombian cheese bread. it is understood they will focus on the impact of the digital world on young people, the military community and female empowerment. the duke and duchess will also explore colombia's history and culture, and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts .

>> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> welcome along our labour lying to you about the state of the economy . now before the the economy. now before the election, it was all about this wasn't it? >> we will not raise tax on working people. no tax rises for income tax , for national income tax, for national insurance, for vat. we will not raise income tax. we will not raise income tax. we will not raise national insurance. we will not raise vat . will not raise vat. >> labour has no plans to increase taxes on working people. >> well, in an article in the financial times before the election, chancellor rachel reeves said this. we've got the obr now . we know things are in obr now. we know things are in pretty bad state. you don't need to win an election to find that out. all right. well now labour have won. we're hearing this have won. we're hearing this have inherited a projected overspend of £22 billion, a £22 billion hole in the public finances now, not in the future, but now £22 billion of spending this year that was covered up by

the party opposite . let's have the party opposite. let's have a little look at this black hole, shall we? labour have just awarded a 15% pay rise to train drivers . their union in the main drivers. their union in the main is aslef. that's led by mick whelan. he sits on labour's national executive committee . national executive committee. that means that train drivers could now earn £70,000 a year, andifs could now earn £70,000 a year, and it's set to cost the taxpayer roughly £100 million. then there's the old 22% for junior doctors. they haven't actually ruled out striking again next year by the way, ed miliband says labour will pledge £11.6 billion in overseas climate aid. the prime minister announced an additional £84 million for foreign aid. the 5.5% that's above inflation by the way, public sector pay rises for teachers and some nhs staff is set to cost roughly £3 billion. that's according to the institute for fiscal studies. they tried to claim the tories were going to waste £10 billion on rwanda. well, each illegal migrant apparently costs us around £400,000 over the course

of their lifetime. so by the time we've had 100,000 of them, we've hit 40 billion, haven't we? and they've removed the deterrent. so how long is it before that happens? and guess what? they can't tell you where all of this money is actually coming from. >> we are working through this process and we will make sure that this deal is fair, as we did when it comes to teachers as well. for example, where we had wide scale, widespread industrial action that caused huge disruption. and again, that was another area where we've come in, we've taken action and we've sorted it out again. >> who will pay? where will the money come from? >> we will make sure that this is properly worked through and that we ensure that passengers get a fair deal as a part of this process . this process. >> pensioners are already going to get hammered, aren't they? the winter fuel payments, they've all been scrapped. reevesis they've all been scrapped. reeves is trying to claim that she inherited the worst economy since the war. well, it's just emerged that it's actually going gangbusters. it grew faster than any other g7 nation. is there not a case for the idea that

rachel reeves is going to put your taxes up to fill a black hole of her own making? let's get the thoughts of my panel. we've got journalist and author, the wonderful harriet sergeant, conservative peer lord bailey and ex—labour party adviser, the one and only matthew laza harriet. i'll start with you on this. has rachel reeves created her own black hole here? >> well, she seems to be doing her best to create not just a black hole, but a huge crater. and i can't believe that only a few months since the general election, and for those of us who can remember the 1970s of soaring public pay inflation that we're just going and rising taxes, that we're just going straight back into that era. i mean, i'm thinking i might have to dig out my old purple hot pants at this rate. well that would be something, wouldn't it? >> sure. i mean, our labour now just just openly lying here about the state of the finances and the economy. >> look, it's that age old thing of claiming credit for things

that other people have done. all political parties do it. labour are particularly good at it. so they talk the economy down when they talk the economy down when they were campaigning, and now they're beginning to talk it up when they begin to spend all of our money. but the real, more important thing is, is when they talk about the black hole, the pubuc talk about the black hole, the public must start to understand they have created this black hole and are continuing to grow it. these large pay rewards are then rewarding the people who sponsor the labour party, who are their members, fine . but are their members, fine. but everybody should be aware. we will all be bearing that very huge cost. >> you're shaking your head. yeah, absolutely. >> first of all, the junior doctors aslef have a perfectly open relationship with the labour party like unions representing millions of working people do. but the junior doctors have nothing to do with the labour party. the bma is an. >> but i suppose it is a bit silly that you've just potentially given them a 22% pay rise and they're still going to go on strike next year. >> well, we don't know. they're going to go on strike next year. i mean, that's just the you know, anybody can go on strike at any time if they follow their procedures. i mean, they're much less likely to go on strike next year after they've been given a

sensible settlement, which was an awful lot less than they asked for to make those procedures easier. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> and look, when a government know not to go on strike, know you still have to have a ballot. >> well, when a government capitulates so easily, every union must be. exactly. let's be clear. aslef and its leadership have done the best job for their members. that is their job. and they have done sean. >> they've got less than they asked for. >> but but no, that's that's what you call bargaining. yes, exactly. >> sean. 850. your government sat there, sean, and it did nothing. it let 22 days of strikes go. it let 22 it weeks, months and months of strikes go ahead. it cost the railway £850 million and the economy over £1 billion. and your secretary of state wouldn't even sit down and talk to them because he wanted to play politics. >> let's be very clear. your party able to solve that because it's their members. it's a political we solved it because we want to get the trains running. >> sean, which you didn't manage to do. >> it's a political action by members of your party working in concert with their government. that's what it looks like. >> and it's the it's the government that people have just voted for six weeks ago. >> i think the main point is there's no reason why these train drivers should be getting this huge, right? i mean, they

are earning £70,000 a year and there is an argument for, say, putting up teachers pay because it's very difficult to attract teachers into the profession, but it's actually also very difficult to get train drivers, drivers when they there's a massive shortage of them . massive shortage of them. >> harriet. >> harriet. >> exactly. but when train drivers are, that's what you need to pay them properly advertised in the north of england, for example, there are 700 people for every job advertised. they have no trouble because everybody, unlike the labour government, is aware simply working for the train companies is a great harry. >> that's simply not true. if you if you actually live in the north of england and you sat there well last year, well one well, 1 in 3 transpennine trains were cancelled because this government his government didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't get enough train drivers, didn't didn't employ enough train drivers. so the country was left in chaos. >> so here's the argument then, sean, that actually this is what it takes to make sure that our pubuc it takes to make sure that our public services run smoothly without strike action. and the taxpayer just without strike action. and the taxpayerjust has without strike action. and the taxpayer just has to without strike action. and the taxpayerjust has to suck without strike action. and the taxpayer just has to suck that up. >> well, that's exactly what matthew seems to be saying, because what the labour government has done. and again,

if you run a union, you've done a great job. that is your job. a great job. that is yourjob. but the government's job is to make sure that the public can afford these services, and we cannot sustainably afford the amount of pay increases. and much more important, if your union wins so easily this time they will be back because. >> so you think public sector pay >> so you think public sector pay should fall behind private sector pay. sorry sorry sorry . sector pay. sorry sorry sorry. >> the other point is that there is nothing about productivity tied up with this, right? i mean it is just giving them money. they have the most unbelievable spanish practices in the railway operations thing. i mean, they, they they need nine people to change one plug. they're not allowed. oh, if you use ask a railway worker to use an ipad, you have to pay them extra. there is all of this. none of this has been stopped at all. so that there's going to be no gain in productivity. and this is the taxpayer and the rail travellers are going to suffer for this 11 point something billion.

>> so that we can invest in clean energy abroad . starmer clean energy abroad. starmer just wheeled out straight away, i think, the day after he scrapped the rwanda scheme. £84 million in foreign aid. he's just tossing it. >> i think that comes from the existing foreign aid budget, it tossing it all around, all around the world. matthew, aren't we at the moment? no, i mean, look, the £80 million, this is the thing , isn't it? this is the thing, isn't it? >> i mean, it's us all who pay for it. we weren't we didn't vote for that. >> well, i think i think people did vote to have junior doctors in hospitals treating patients and to have the trains running. so that we didn't impact the economy of the country. both the junior doctors and the train drivers got less than they wanted for because you had sensible negotiations run by run by the government. >> you keep saying less, right, you keep saying less . but 22%, you keep saying less. but 22%, 22% is huge because they'd fallen massively behind. and what's what's really important is relative. is it relative to our ability to afford it? is it relative to any raise in their productivity? so when you say should public sector workers fall behind in pay compared to

private sector? no but what they should do is match their. >> so you want every junior doctor going to australia do you sean? do you want do you want tens of thousands going to australia where they're offered twice the salary to that? >> one thing i will say to that is i actually did interview doctor robert lawrence. >> i remember yeah, the guy there and i did put it to him that even if he got what he wanted, which at the time was 35. >> yeah, exactly. would he still go? and he basically said probably yes. he's not going to rule it out. so the idea that this will well, i think he's a bit of a joke. yeah well, yeah. you're not alone in that. but. yeah. and just getting back to the core of it though, we can talk about the numbers all we like. we can talk about numbers, but but rachel reeves is lying when she says that she didn't know about this black hole. >> no, she's not. >> and that this black hole know so. 50. >> so. >> so no, she's not. i mean, i spoke to a senior source in the treasury just a few days ago, and he says that basically every time they open the cupboard, they find they find more craziness. it isn't true, sean. they were using matthew. they were using sean. no, it's not. >> i tell you why. rachel reeves said it wasn't true because she said it wasn't true because she said before the election, we have the obr. you don't have to

win an election to find out the state. >> the obr doesn't audit the government. it does a projection of government spending. >> what it does. the obr knows what's going on. and do you know why they call public spending? because they're in the public arena. >> well, the entire asylum budget is being funded out of the reserves. >> no, there's fact there's that might well be a fact, but there's no idea that it's a mystery. that simply isn't true. >> harriet, that what people are going to. absolutely. 100% demand now when we see these figures. so above inflation pay rises, people in the public sector like teachers , etc, the sector like teachers, etc, the junior doctors that we've spoken about, the train drivers that we've spoken about, they are going to demand a vast improvement in the quality of our public services. do you think we'll see that ? think we'll see that? >> no. dream on. i don't think so. no, i think maybe there'll be a small improvement. but no , be a small improvement. but no, because there there is no string. i mean , least with tony string. i mean, least with tony blair. and i can't believe i'm up for tony blair here, but at least with tony blair, he had an overall policy for raising productivity. he had police , productivity. he had police, nhs, they were all given targets which they had to hit for more

pay, which they had to hit for more pay, and they were , you know, pay, and they were, you know, they were quite upset. they really had to do it. but there's nothing like this now. i mean, it's just a free for all. you can go on claiming money to use anipad. can go on claiming money to use an ipad . no one's going to be an ipad. no one's going to be making you work harder or better for the public. so i don't think it's going to make any difference. >> and when matthew talks about do, do we want public sector workers not to be paid? of course we want them to be paid. no. you said you don't. no. you said that. the point being this though, you have to have some respect for the bill payer, which is everybody else, and everybody else also finds it equally hard to live. so the idea that you can just jack up salaries and it has no effect simply isn't. >> sure, these pay rises are lower than the average pay rises in the private sector . so in the private sector. so finally, 2% over three and a half years . %. half years. %. >> yes, i would also point out that i think the pensions are a lot lower in the private sector as well. >> exactly. well, the pensions differ between the train drivers and the nhs. >> can i ask where is this money coming from? >> well, the train driver settlement is less than 100 million okay. so it's going to

come from within the existing transport budget. the junior doctor settlement, which is absolutely necessary because there was a particular issue not everybody had. the junior doctors had fallen behind other people within the within the system. that's going to be paid for within within the health service. and in terms of transforming public services. and let's just remind ourselves that sean's government gave us inherited the longest waiting list in the nhs history after 14 years of failure, when the last labour government left office, the waiting list weren't there. shorter's so someone's not income tax, not national insurance, but none of that. >> none of that explains what labour are going to do. >> well in six weeks. sean whatever. whatever. in six weeks we've got the junior doctors back to work. so they're treating patients. >> whatever the tories did or didn't do. we are talking about what labour is going to do. yes. >> and we're going to get we've got the junior doctors treating patients. >> sean, i can tell you that to recover from the pandemic, i can tell you all those kind of things, what people are concerned about now is what are labour going to do and what's it going to cost. because it's only 100 million this year, how much

will it be next year going forward? because we, the public will be carrying those bills? >> well, we've we've had a lively start to the show. everyone's had their weetabix tonight. i love to see it. thank you very much. coming up as it emerges that career criminals with more than 100 previous convictions are being spared jail while people are being put behind bars for dodgy facebook posts about the riots. has labour got his priorities warped? prisoner rehabilitation campaigner winston davis. he's live shortly, plus more brazen crime in lawless britain . but up crime in lawless britain. but up next, as it's revealed that premier league footballers will take the knee before six games this season, should they just stop doing this gesture or just get up, lads? england and liverpool legend john barnes goes head to head with gb news star nana akua and that's next. stay tuned

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. coming up, ann widdecombe gives her take on a bombshell poll. that is very, very good news for nigel farage and reform. but first, should footballers just stop taking the knee? it's time for our head to head. knee? it's time for our head to head . yes. so taking the knee is head. yes. so taking the knee is back. premier league players will do the blm inspired gesture six times this season, including

before this weekend's opening fixtures to show their commitment to fighting racism and discrimination. but why is taking the knee a pointless stunt which started before the premier league games in june 2020? still happening after all, several players have hit out and actually refused to do it in the past few seasons. former crystal palace player wilfried zaha was the first to break ranks, branding it degrading, while brentford and england striker ivan toney said players were being used as puppets and has stood tall ever since. but what do you think ? should footballers do you think? should footballers now stop taking the knee? let me know your thoughts. go to gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews and while you're there, go and vote in our poll. but first going head to head on this are former professional footballer jason cundy and are former professional footballerjason cundy and gb news presenter nana akua. both of you, thank you very, very much. great to have you both on the show. nana, i will start with you. do you think that footballers should stop taking the knee ? the knee? >> well, to be honest, i don't know why they even started. if i'm totally honest with you, it

is an empty gesture. i mean, let's look at what it came from. it came from black lives matter, which was in the states. that has turned out to be a bit of a fraudulent organisation . the fraudulent organisation. the woman who set it up, she's done for about $80 million that was raised. she spent it on houses and cars. if you look to the uk, there's been zara aleena for black lives matter. who was was put in jail for misappropriating £50,000 of funds. then if you look to the whole reason why they're doing this, this is supposedly the racist killing of george floyd. yes, he was murdered. it was horrible. but, you know, you could you could argue that maybe it wasn't to do with race. two officers were white, one was black. the other was asian. they were all culpable. yes. the guy who put his neck on his knee, on his neck was white. but they were all culpable. all of them . so to all culpable. all of them. so to me the gesture is pointless. and also the fa , the fa are so rich, also the fa, the fa are so rich, they really want to stamp out racism. they could invest the money properly in it. if you look at the top of the fa , how

look at the top of the fa, how many, how many managers are black in the fa? you've got 43% of the players are black, about 57% are white or black or mixed. and at the top of the fa, people managing the football clubs i think is one point something percent of black people. so they really serious about racism. why don't they start there? >> i'll come back to you, jason. well, yeah, i suppose. look, come back to that, mate. why should they take the knee? well, it's actually it's actually the premier league that are doing this. >> it's the biggest, most watched league in the world. and we have i think , been brilliant we have i think, been brilliant at trying to stamp out racism. there's a huge amount that needs to be done, but you can only see from what happened with the argentinian winning side, where they won the copa america, how there are parts of this world that actually are still spouting racism and still think it's acceptable. and i think that the premier league realises it's the most watched league in the world. this is not just about what goes on in this country, it's about what goes on globally. and i think this is a part of the game that the premier league recognise, that they have a voice now in terms

of individuality. there have been lots of complaints. players decided you mentioned ivan toney, wilfried zaha, there's been many actually that have decided not to do it because the point that nana makes is a valid one. there is not enough being done , not just in this country. done, not just in this country. there's still racism on the terraces , there's still racism terraces, there's still racism in society. but i think if you look across what's what's still going on, that football has a voice. and i think that the premier league have realised that their voice can be heard. and i think to do it six games in at the 38 game season, i think shows that it's still very much top of the list. but on top of that, what more can be done? there's no point taking the knee on saturday and sunday. if we find on on next weekend that there's racism still going on, there's racism still going on, there's still plenty of work to be done. >> yeah. nana i wonder whether or not they stand accused of a little bit of kind of shameless virtue signalling, though, really, because, you see, you saw the likes of jordan henderson or it's a different issue, but, you know, it was very big and prominent when it came to the rainbow armband or whatever it was. and then the first whiff of a bit of cash, basically, it appeared to me

anyway that he was straight off to saudi arabia, where, you know, i'm not quite sure exactly what the horrible punishment for being gay over there is now, but i'm pretty sure it is death. >> well, it's a total virtue signal. it's for you to show me that you are not a racist in your action of bending down on a knee, but to me, i say, get off your knees, get on your feet and do something active about it. i don't want to see people on their knees. i want to see the sfa or uefa or all of those fifa all leading from the top. and that would be that. if half of the players and it's practically half of them are of colour, why is why is that not even remotely replicated at the top ? so to me, replicated at the top? so to me, i just see it as an empty gesture. what is the point of it? it's been been going on for years and still not much has happened. and the bottom line is this these clubs are rich. football is rich. if they really wanted to prosecute everybody and we've seen keir starmer, he's able to prosecute people using, using cameras and everything. if they really wanted to prosecute racists on the terraces, they really could. and they haven't. and they've

had years to do it. so why, why would getting down on one knee now change it? it's not changing anything. they need to. it needs to start from the top, but it hasn't. >> i do wonder, jason, whether or not it has much of an impact. i mean, look, when i obviously don't watch as much football as you, i mean, it's literally your job, right? but i do watch quite a bit of it. and, you know, at the start of games or in the highlight shows etc. match of the day, it just seemed like, you know. right. okay, so we'll take the knee and the commentator will go out of his way or her way to tell us what a wonderful thing this is. and you know, suspiciously, at times i do wonder whether or not the fans sound goes down, because i've been at a few football games where it's not been that well received, but you don't tend to see that in the highlight shows. and then there might be a round of applause to something else, and there might be something else going on. and eventually we get a bit of football, you know. do the fans actually like this? >> i don't know, you'd have you have to ask them to be honest with you. i think some section of fans, the ones that are booing, i think there are many different people why they boo. i think what nana's point she's making, i think is valid, that the people do think it's virtue

signalling and it's done for show. but i think that we are it can only be a good thing in my mind that we are discussing this and we all realise there is, i think in 100 years time, this conversation could still be going on. there still needs to be work done, there still needs to make sure that the argentinian national side to be singing racist songs about black african american, footballers. they now play for the french national side are getting racially abused. that tells me only one thing that the message is still not getting across. forget this country. let's not nana you're being a little bit small minded. no, no no no no ho. 110. >> no. >> but one at a time. 1 or 2. go on— >> but one at a time. 1 or 2. go on jason, finish. >> listen, i think you're talking about other countries, but they're rich. the football leagues in other countries and the football side. so they so this is a problem i'm talking. no. so they could do something about it. why is it down to people to bend down on a knee when you've got these rich, rich businesses who could actually they could get rid of this in a heartbeat by actually taking action when people are racist . action when people are racist. >> jason. >> jason. they're >> jason. they're not >> jason. they're not though, are they? no >> but listen, why are you having a pop up football ?

having a pop up football? >> i'm not having a pop at football. you asking a question about taking the knee? the answer? the answer to me. i'm talking about racism. racism? seriously, if you think bending down on one knee to show how non—racist you are gets rid of it, it doesn't. it needs to start from the people who are running football, who will not allow it within their stadium. sorry, sorry. are they allowed? >> let's let jason, this isn't football's problem. >> football has an issue with racism. but let me tell you now football does. it's not football, but football is trying to do something about it. >> no, they're not no they're not bending down on a knee. do you think that bending down on one knee does something about it? i literally i've literally just i've literally gone through and explained to you how if you look at the organisations that run football, how they have hardly any black people at the top, so if they're really serious about racism, then that should be coming from the top . should be coming from the top. well, give me an example. half the players of colour and in other countries they could manage it properly. >> give me an example of what of what changes you'd make. you've got what changes would you make?

>> okay, so what i do the changes i've made would be from the top. i would make sure that i enable will stop talking and i might be able to say it. i would enable some of those players who may want to be managers to actually open the door, because it seems a bit odd that you've got literally half your players who are black and you've got nothing at the top there. so that's one of the things i'd be looking at. the second thing i would do is absolutely prosecute everybody who dares to be racist. on the stand. so if there is racist chanting, they will be prosecuted. just like keir starmer is doing with the riots that will shut them up. so why are they not doing that? why are they not? why are you relying on people bending down on one knee to say, i'm so not racist? look at me, aren't i good? nothing is changing. they've been doing it for years. nothing has changed. sorry, nana. >> there's going to be 50, 60, 70,000 people at some stadiums. you want to police that stadium? what would you do if you were the police ? the police? >> well, i would do exactly what keir starmer is doing . you said, keir starmer is doing. you said, what's the facial recognition cameras and then come up, come for these people later. you've got thousands of people on

protest. i would start there. and you know what? just in the same way, in the same way that puts people off. >> honestly. nana seriously, you're not a football fan, are you? >>i you? >> i actually, that's not true. i am, i just don't . how many i am, i just don't. how many games do you go to now? >> how many games do you go? >> how many games do you go? >> i don't go, i don't go to football games, i don't i don't go to football games. well, this is my point, right? >> because you there might be chances, but trying to prove racism in a, in a, in a 70, 70, so— racism in a, in a, in a 70, 70, 80 000 stadium, that is not as easy. what you've just made out. you're talking garbage. what? >> so people are chanting racist chants and throwing bananas, chanting show me, show me, give me example. i don't i don't know what they're chanting, but if people are being racist, you don't say, guys, you're saying there's loads of racism. if there's loads of racism. if there's loads of racism, surely you can see where is it? >> i mean, this is very good, but i am going to have to stop it, i'm afraid, because i've got a load of other stuff on. but thank you very, very much. look guys, both of you. thank you. that was a proper head to head, which i must admit, i wasn't quite sure i wanted to end , but quite sure i wanted to end, but alas, here we are. that is a former professional footballer jason cundy and gb news spencer

nana akua , who are definitely nana akua, who are definitely not going to be going out for dinner any time soon together. are they? like who do you agree with? should footballers stop taking the knee? jess on ex says never should have done it in the first place. suzanne says what is this still happening? how tedious . joe says politics has tedious. joe says politics has no place in sport, especially one that caused so much trouble and gave no to money those it boasted to be helping. all right. your verdict is in 94% of you think they should stop taking the knee. 4% of you say they shouldn't. oh, right . we're they shouldn't. oh, right. we're off to a flyer tonight. coming up as a new poll puts nigel farage's reform uk party on 21%, has the reform uk leader been vindicated after he came under attack from multiple tory leadership candidates? reform's justice spokeswoman ann widdecombe gives her views shortly . plus harry and widdecombe gives her views shortly. plus harry and meghan, they've touched down in colombia . they've touched down in colombia. siempre on cnn this morning. okay, i'll reveal their ridiculous itinerary shortly. but next, labour's soft justice

scandal laid bare as career criminals with more than 100 previous convictions are not being sent to jail. is keir starmer making britain less safe? rehabilitation campaigner davis is live and is

next. welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now coming up, a new poll appears to be good news for

nigel farage. actually, he was slammed by multiple tory leadership contenders , wasn't leadership contenders, wasn't he? but he's gone up in the polls despite everything that you've been hearing about him in the media. but first, shocking new figures from the ministry of justice have revealed that career criminals with more than 100 convictions are being spared jail, with the proportion walking free apparently quadrupling in the past 16 years. so offenders with more than 50 convictions have avoided jail sentences in more than 50,000 cases since two thousand and seven, bringing the total number of career criminals that avoided jail to over 3000 last yeah avoided jail to over 3000 last year. now it comes after two men were handed jail sentences for social media posts relating to recent rioting, and a 12 year old boy and a 13 year old girl with no prior offences became the youngest to be convicted over the disorder. look, the youngest to be convicted over the disorder . look, it the youngest to be convicted over the disorder. look, it begs the question, doesn't it? has the question, doesn't it? has the justice system got its priorities right? is this yet more evidence of two tier justice? well, i'm very pleased now, actually, to be joined by former prisoner now social campaigner winston davis. winston, great to have you on the show. thank you, thank you.

cheers. so this looks bad on papen cheers. so this looks bad on paper. you hold up those you know 13 year old girl getting prosecuted. someone who's got no convictions as long as their arm walking free. is it as bad as that for you? >> i mean, look, you said it looks bad, but when you put it into context, it's like 0.25% or something like that, of people over 100 convictions that are escaping from prison. and if we look back over the last 15 years, same time period , we've years, same time period, we've had a 50% years, same time period, we've 0 . had a 50°/ |ncrease years, same time period, we've had a 50% increase in years, same time period, we've 0 . . . had a 50°/ |ncrease |n r|son had a 50% increase in prison sentences. you have three times more likely to have a ten year or more prison sentence. lifers going to prison are or will be spending an average of 18 years versus 13 years, and our prison population has gone from 60 million through to 60,000 through to nearly 90,000, you know, so the crimes and sentences are getting longer. the punishments are getting more. so this flies in the face of actually the statistics of that. >> why is it do you think that we seem to have people now, in my view, who just don't really fear the law anymore? do you know what i mean? it just it

does seem like we've had a breakdown in law and order. >> i mean, they've got this, right, >> 59% of all people that come into prison are going to be coming in for a 12 month sentence or less. yeah, they've been proven that prison sentences of 12 months or less are not effective deterrents. so what happens is people come in, they get around the same kind of people that they're out with outside. they continue taking drugs. they have lose their housing, lose their relationships, lose. maybe their jobs. and then as soon as they come out, they're back to square one with no intervention. so no courses, no training, no therapy, no nothing. that look, i went to prison, i trained, i did therapy, i got a career, i've changed my life around. but i've changed my life around. but ispent i've changed my life around. but i spent enough time in there to be able to do that. and these ones that are doing the shorter sentences, they're saying it doesn't. it doesn't actually work. having the shorter sentences. so i've been saying for a long time , you can't just for a long time, you can't just lock people up. you've got to make rehabilitation a priority, particularly those that are for in shorter sentences. the average sentence in this country is 22 months while they're there for those 11 months, over half of that, you've got to be doing the work. >> one of the things that seems

to be a bit tricky at the moment is that we have a government who has decided that the way to try to stop these riots is to send some people and try to make it as high profile as possible, that they're going to send those people to prison for a relatively long period of time in relation to what they've done on social media. right? so they have decided that apparently that prison is a deterrent to people. but then in other cases, perhaps we've decided that it's not like with your more petty crimes, like with shoplifting, we've decided actually, prison is not a deterrent for those people. so how can those things both be true at the same time? >> i mean, look, the people that have been sent to prison right now, i said last week, i think that it's almost a statement from the government to quell the riots. and a week later , there riots. and a week later, there hasn't been any more riots. so maybe that was a good tactic. however, the people that have gone to prison now, they're going to be feeling it, what i found interesting, though, was that they said that 70% of all those that were gone to prison for the rioting, had criminal records. some of them with long criminal records, some of them career criminals. as we said in

this report. and when you look at people that are going to prison, 57% of them, i think it is have a reading age of literary skills of 11 years old. so these people are in an information age. they don't have the ability to disseminate between the information they're seeing on facebook being real or ex or whatever it is, and it not being real or being fake news, therefore they're going out and committing this crime. can i ask , committing this crime. can i ask, what's it like in prison? >> like is the actual like when you go in there, is it a massive wake up call and does it actually put you off wanting to go back in again because clearly for some people it doesn't. >> 100%, yeah. for me it was the best and worst thing ever because it was, you know , you because it was, you know, you are locked up with people that have got nothing to live for. you can walk around constantly waiting for somebody could easily come round and stab you or do whatever. that's what it's supposed to be a deterrent. and it was a deterrent for me. i didn't go back. right. but if you've got nothing to live for and you've got no home, you've got no family, you're addicted to drugs and you're out of anything. go into prison is actually quite good. i remember some guys would go to prison.

they would get themselves clean, they would look great. you'd speak to them like, oh, that's a nice guy or whatever gets out a week later, he's back in, a month later he's back in because they get straight back into the same routines, what they was doing before. >> do you think it's fairjust >> do you think it's fair just in in light of that then, and what it's like in prison to send some people who have been have said some awful things online? i'm not trying to diminish what some of the some of the things people said online. right. but but for all intents and purposes, were like middle aged people. some of them have not had criminal records to land them into an adult prison for 20 months or two years. i mean, do you think that could actually be quite dangerous for them ? quite dangerous for them? >> so the two things on this right . if one of the people that right. if one of the people that was incited by what they posted had gone out and committed a murder. what would the conversation we'd be having then. yeah, it's justified . so then. yeah, it's justified. so then. yeah, it's justified. so the potential of what they could have done burning down mosques or whatever it is going to do, could have been however i am personally concerned that the possibility that we are moving too far to censorship, there's got to be that balance. of

course, we don't want people inciting violence, inciting hatred and whatnot. we don't want that. but at the same time, i want to be able to speak my truth. i want to be come on here and not feel like i've got to watch every word that i say, unless i'm going to get a knock at the door and myself getting nicked. so there's that balance. patrick. >> yeah, yeah, i think it's interesting. it'll be will be interesting. it'll be will be interesting to see how they get on in prison. because the other aspect to it is, you know, if they're going into prison and they've been sentenced for the riots, the implication is that they're now far right. and i don't reckon they'd do that well at bannau bars 100%. >> but then i sort of say for me, i've got to practice what i preach. and i think that's the perfect time for them to change the way they're thinking or intervene the way that they've been thinking, get to mix with some people that have been, you know, writing about, complaining about and unhappy about and understand . actually, those understand. actually, those people have probably got much more in common than the people that sit at the top pulling the strings and sending all this propaganda out. then the people that they're banged up with. >> yeah, lovely stuff. i've really enjoyed that. thank you very much. we'd love to have you back on the show, mate. you take care. all right. that is winston davis there, who is now a social

campaigner. former prisoner as well. a government spokesperson told us this. they said the first job of this government is to keep people safe. and the new lord chancellor has taken action to make sure that the justice system is always able to lock up dangerous offenders, to protect the public and reduce re—offending. independent judges and magistrates decide sentences, but we are committed to making sure that punishments fit the severity of the crime, so that's what they've had to say about it. coming up, bbc presenter chris packham has a message for barclays customers . message for barclays customers. >> but if anyone here is banking with barclays, then i suggest you stick your head in a bucket of fuel and set fire to it. >> yeah. all right. i mean, imagine if that was nigel farage. so why hasn't there been more serious consequences for mr packham? but is this another example, do you think of a kind of double standards at play in britain? i'm going to tackle that at ten. but next, yes, it is over to reform uk because now apparently the latest polls have them 12 points behind labour. so they are officially, in that sense the second party. so were the tory leadership hopefuls wrong, do you think, to slam

their leadership and other mps for their response to the riots? reform justice spokeswoman ann widdecombe. she's live and she's next. lovely

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. coming up, i will show you some shocking footage of bbc presenter and climate activist chris packham making comments that police might want to have a little look at. but first, a new poll has put nigel farage within sniffing distance of snatching 20 seats as reform uk support surges to a whopping 21% of the vote share. well, it comes after a couple of things, doesn't it? firstly, the fact that every single tory leadership candidate has ruled out of joining him joining the party. the other thing is, of course, wall to wall criticism of his response to the riots. well, i'm joined now by reform uk's immigration and justice spokesperson ann widdecombe and, i mean, is this

actually a vindication of everything nigel farage has said about the riots? >> of course it is. and i mean, are we surprised that this has happened? i mean , labour has no happened? i mean, labour has no plan at all to deal with immigration. absolutely none. the conservative party had rwanda, which never happened, and they had no plan b. we have right from the start in reform put forward very clear proposals for controlling both legal and particularly illegal immigration. so is it surprising that people are listening to us, and is it surprising that more people have decided, yes, they do want a party that will do something about it and not just talk? >> yeah. what does this say, though, about how seriously out of touch maybe the media is ? of touch maybe the media is? because, i mean, i've seen things called the farage riots. i've heard. i mean, i've actually spoken to nigel about this. i've heard people on other news channels actually really pinning some quite vile things on him. and i would argue in

some cases maybe even quivering on the edge of putting a target on the edge of putting a target on his back. right. but the pubuc on his back. right. but the public now would more of the pubuc public now would more of the public would vote reform than before the last election. so, i mean, what does that tell you? >> well, i think what it tells us is, first of all, that the commentary is, as you rightly say, out of touch. but secondly, i think a lot of people are now saying to themselves, oh, i wish i'd voted reform. you know, we wouldn't have had these riots. we would have had some actual policies to deal with it. so i think, you know , we have been think, you know, we have been quite consistent throughout in putting forward concrete proposals. we are and again, have been quite consistently throughout the only party doing that , that, >> and when it comes to the tory leadership, candidates all saying at this stage anyway that nigel wouldn't be welcome, i wonder if that's actually a good thing for nigel. he appears to have no interest in wanting to join. anyway, it's a party. literally doesn't want to go to, isn't it, for once? >> well, i would think so . >> well, i would think so. certainly at the moment there are none of those leaders i

think would change very much as far as the control of immigration, the control of woke, getting back common sense, all the things that reform stands for. i don't think they do. so i think nigel is very relaxed and not to be a part of. >> one thing i will say though, is as labour are now finding out, it is much easier to be in opposition than it is to actually be in power when everything is now. your responsibility and up to you . responsibility and up to you. and is it not very, very easy for nigel or indeed yourself to say, well, these riots wouldn't have happened if it were if it was on our watch? i mean, you can't necessarily prove that, can't necessarily prove that, can you? i mean, there might have been other riots, people rioting against nigel. >> well, we've made it very clear that we have policies. the other parties have not got policies. that is the crucial point that i keep making. people aren't attracted to us because we're, you know, giving them soundees we're, you know, giving them soundbites because we aren't . soundbites because we aren't. they're attracted to us more and more because we are saying we share people's priorities, that this is important and we have

concrete proposals to deal with it. now, you know, we're in opposition and we've offered concrete proposals. keir starmer in opposition, didn't he just offered more international waffles? rishi sunak had nothing beyond the rwanda plan. we at least have concrete plans. and i think more people, more people. >> just to be clear, just to be clear, i'm sorry, but so what are these concrete plans? well one is we turn the boats around, and before you say you can't do it, australia did, belgium did. >> it can be done, the second thing is some people will get through. even if we do that , through. even if we do that, they will be detained in secure accommodation, not put in hotels. so they can't disappear. and we will know where they are and therefore can return them , and therefore can return them, which we can't do if they've disappeared into the underground economy, which is what the overwhelming majority of asylum seekers do when they know they are about to be refused. >> okay . all right. well, hey, >> okay. all right. well, hey, look, obviously we may never

find out if those things work. it's quite a long time , it's quite a long time, conceivably until the next election. and. but who knows where reform could be by that stage. but the polling at the moment has you on 21%. i think it is. which is significantly up from the last election . so there from the last election. so there we go. ann widdecombe there. thank you very, very much . that thank you very, very much. that is of course the one and only ann widdecombe. now coming up, harry and meghan have landed in colombia, but their itinerary is as ridiculous as you would expect. i will reveal exactly what they're planning on doing in colombia. it's already got off to a weird start, but next, chris packham has been saying all sorts of stuff, hasn't he ? all sorts of stuff, hasn't he? >> but if anyone here is banking with barclays then i suggest you stick your head in a bucket of fuel and set fire to it. >> is it not time that maybe face some consequences for that? stay tuned for that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb. >> news .

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gb news. >> it's 10 pm. on patrick christys tonight . christys tonight. >> if anyone here is banking with barclays and i suggest you stick your head in a bucket of fuel and set fire to it, should the bbc's chris packham be sent to jail for those comments? >> well, i. if he tweeted something about the riots, he'd be doing three years by now, wouldn't he? two tier justice and hey, hey, stop poking . i and hey, hey, stop poking. i reveal harry and meghan's absolutely ridiculous plans for their columbia trip. plus . more

their columbia trip. plus. more brazen crime in lawless britain and for those stefanos tsitsipas , and for those stefanos tsitsipas, there is monkeypox on its way to britain. i've got all the front pages with journalist harriet sargeant, tory peer lord bailey and ex—labour party adviser matthew laza. oh yes, and i want you to tell me, please, what you think is happening. here. you to tell me, please, what you think is happening . here. get think is happening. here. get ready, britain, here we go . ready, britain, here we go. should bbc presenter chris packham finally face serious consequences . next?

consequences. next? >> patrick, thank you and good evening . the top stories this evening. the top stories this hour hollywood actor matthew perry's assistant and two doctors are among five people who have been charged after the friends star died from an accidental ketamine overdose last october, a us attorney said the investigation uncovered a broad underground criminal network responsible for distributing a large quantity of ketamine to perry and to others. the 54 year old was found unresponsive in the pool at his residence in los angeles, a medical examiner said . perry had medical examiner said. perry had been receiving ketamine infusion therapy for depression and anxiety, with his last known treatment one and a half weeks pnor treatment one and a half weeks prior to his death . u.s. prior to his death. us. attorney for the central district of california martin estrada spoke during a press conference this evening . conference this evening. >> as i mentioned, the defendants in this case knew what they were doing was wrong. when they refer to the ketamine they used coded language. they refer to it using terms such as quote, doctor pepper or quote

bots, or quote cans . also, bots, or quote cans. also, defendants placentia and chavez as medical doctors knew full well, this was not the proper way to administer ketamine. and they even talked about that in their exchanges. >> in other news, the proportion of a—level entries awarded top grades is up on last year and remains above pre—pandemic levels. hundreds of thousands of students in england, wales and northern ireland received their exam results today, more than three quarters of english 18 year old applicants have been accepted into their first choice of university, according to the government . however, education government. however, education secretary bridget phillipson earlier said there are still inequalities in the education system . now drivers are being system. now drivers are being urged to avoid scanning qr codes to pay for parking following a number of scams. the rac is advising drivers to make payments only with cash , cards payments only with cash, cards or official apps. recently fraudsters have been placing stickers featuring qr codes on

parking signs in locations across the country, taking victims to fake websites to input their card details before spending money from their accounts . and as you've been accounts. and as you've been heanng accounts. and as you've been hearing , sweden has confirmed hearing, sweden has confirmed it's recorded its first case of a contagious new variant of monkeypox. that's the day after the world health organisation declared it a global health emergency. the strain emerged in the democratic republic of congo , the democratic republic of congo, with more than 17,000 cases and over 570 deaths in africa. this yean over 570 deaths in africa. this year, according to the who, which exceeds last year's total. scientists from the africa centres for disease control and prevention report 96% of all cases and deaths have been in d.r.congo. the uk health security agency says there are currently no cases of the virus here in the uk , and its deputy here in the uk, and its deputy director claims the risk is currently considered low . and currently considered low. and the duke and duchess of sussex have been welcomed to colombia as they begin their four day tour of the south american nation. harry and meghan were

met in the capital bogota, by colombia's vice president francia marquez and her husband. they spent around half an hour at the vice president's residence, where they exchanged welcome gifts and were offered tea , coffee and traditional tea, coffee and traditional colombian cheese bread. it's understood they'll focus on the impact of the digital world on young people, the military community and female empowerment. the duke and duchess will also explore colombia's history and culture. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in an houn >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . good forward slash alerts. good evening . evening. >> can you just imagine for a second, please, if nigel farage said this ? said this? >> but if anyone here is banking

with barclays and i suggest you stick your head in a bucket of fuel and set fire to it because you're burning our planet down andifs you're burning our planet down and it's time to put this stuff behind us. >> that was occasional bbc presenter chris packham there, telling people to essentially set themselves on fire. if they dare to bank with barclays. now, if farage or anyone on the right had said that about any other group of people, they'd be in handcuffs and looking at a few years in prison, wouldn't they? i don't actually want him to go to prison. all right. unlike the government, i believe in free speech. but it's another blatant double standard, isn't it? now, if this was the other way round, it would be front page of the guardian rolling news coverage. but for lovely lefty tree hugger packham, the only pick up it gets is the country squire. yeah that's right there it is. is that's right there it is. is that language not potentially quite likely to incite harm to others. is that not extreme rhetoric? will he face any prosecution ? obviously not. he's

prosecution? obviously not. he's one of the good guys, isn't he ? one of the good guys, isn't he? now, packham's got form. he's so close to the wind with this channel 4 documentary. >> it's time to make up my own mind and decide if i think it's time to break the law. no government, no major political party has ever significantly addressed the issue. they haven't been listening to us. the climate activists he also interviewed now jailed extinction rebellion founder roger hallam, and it all got a bit weird. >> can i be cheeky? you can be as cheeky as you like. you do something and end up getting banged up. me? yeah. >> get arrested. >> get arrested. >> no, you get banged up in prison. yeah because people need inspiration and there's a we can. we know there's a handful of people in british public life who people enormously respect. and you're one of them. >> if you can convince me that that's the best thing to do, then that's on my agenda. yeah. there's no question of that. yeah. >> that is the same roger hallam

who said this. >> the thing about social collapse is the complete loss of material security or law and order, as you might say , a gang order, as you might say, a gang of young men come into your house, they take your girlfriend, they take your mother, they put her onto the table and they gang rape you , table and they gang rape you, her in front of you. and then after that, they take a hot stick and they poke out your eyes and they blind you . eyes and they blind you. >> and will the bbc now end their association with the presenter, who appears to have a total disdain for a large number of licence fee payers ? well, of licence fee payers? well, this is what they told us. chris packham is a freelancer, not a member of staff, and he's not currently on air. his private activities and views are his own , activities and views are his own, not the bbc's. that's convenient, isn't it? and now it's emerged that just stop oil are planning to break in to windsor castle. yes. where princess katherine is recovering from cancer. they're planning to

bnng from cancer. they're planning to bring windsor as a whole to a standstill as well. they also reportedly want to use old people and people with disabilities so that when the police drag them away, it will look really bad for the authorities. yeah. are this. extinction rebellion not not just a bit unhinged. and they're plotting things and they're encouraging other people to plot things that cost money and could risk lives. you know, have we got any room in prison for them, or is it full of middle aged women who put something dodgy on facebook? let's get a thought from our panel. now we've facebook? let's get a thought from our panel . now we've got from our panel. now we've got journalist and author harriet sargeant. we've got conservative peer lord bailey, and we are also joined by ex labour party adviser matthew laza. now harriet again, i will emphasise i don't actually want chris packham to go to prison . that's packham to go to prison. that's not really how i roll, but what i am saying is there appears to be quite a shameless double standard in the media and arguably with our police force here. >> well , i here. >> well, i agree, and i think i mean, here is just another presenter, bbc presenter who is

meant to be or freelance presenter , we're told. yeah, presenter, we're told. yeah, yeah, he's on a lot, let's be exact about that. but who is meant to be neutral? who is paid to be neutral and yet is using his position as a bbc freelance presenter to push his own agenda as an activist . and we are as an activist. and we are seeing increasingly this language of these activists becoming more and more unhinged. but i think chris packham is quite clever. he's just treading the. i mean, what he said about blowing up oil pipes is actually even more interesting because he's been promoting this book that tells you to how blow up an oil pipe. really? yeah i must admit, i wasn't aware of that. >> yes. okay. >> yes. okay. >> yes. okay. >> yes. all right. and he keeps on. when he was interviewed about that, he said, oh, you know, really it's all a joke. but actually the book itself is quite serious. i mean, you look at the book on it's a quite serious thing on how to do this.

so he's treading a very delicate line here. okay >> all right. well, obviously chris packham is not here to defend himself against that particular allegation, but i'm sure if nigel farage or you or anyone really on the right had said something along the lines of along the lines of that if you support refugees, you know, you support refugees, you know, you should dip your head in a bucket of petrol and set it on fire, because this country is going to go to hell in a handcart or something like that, then that would have been wall to wall coverage. you know, the farage riots would have been back. you'd have been a far right lunatic. but, you know, chris packham says it and it just gets picked up in the country, squire. >> but this is the point. we have a double standard here. so when people talk about the msn, other people ridicule them who are in this supposed msm. but incidents like this show that actually there is a chattering classes who will defend certain people. if you're seen as one of the good guys, look to be clear, i don't think he should go to jail for what he said, but the other piece to be said, if the government are going to start sending people to jail for scary

language, they need to be very clear what is considered scary language. the whole thing with how to be an eco activist and terrorist and cause disruption and blow things up, i think is actually really scary and is the kind of thing that inspires people to take action. telling you to dip your head in a bucket of petrol. not so much in my opinion. but the point is, somebody does need to say, okay, we're the level is and the bbc are correct. he is freelance and it is his personal views, but they must understand if they keep him there it then looks like their platform in his agenda. okay, now matthew, we do see and we interviewed plenty of them on this show and others like it as well. >> quite a lot of the activists of the just stop oil extinction rebellion are very young, very impressionable. i think a couple of them might have other issues going on as well. i don't mean that in a disrespectful way. i mean that genuinely from my experiences of having spoken first hand with a couple of them who will see someone like that who's like, you know, a big figure in the eco movement, making that kind of statement about people who bank with barclays, of whom there are

millions in this country. do you not think there is a risk there that him saying that stuff inches that him saying that stuff incites someone to take physical action? >> well, i wonder if anybody who employs him banks at barclays. i can't know if the bbc does or not, but i mean, i wonder if he'll be taking the barclays cheque or the transfer from a barclays account. i mean, i think i mean, as harry has said, he just about stayed the right line of the law by not inciting others, not inciting people to do things to others, but to do it to themselves. so that's why he probably won't be arrested on this occasion. he certainly needs to be cancelled. cancelled generally, and cancelled specifically by the bbc. >> but you would. so you would. you'd cancel him. >> yeah. i mean, i think i think i think this is absolutely unacceptable language, i mean, you know , i mean, i don't think you know, i mean, i don't think it's arrest. i don't think there is two tier policing in the sense that if he got if he if he's saying, you know, you should go out and do x to people who bank with barclays, then i think he should be arrested, just like the people on facebook, because they're people who've been arrested for putting things on facebook, haven't been arrested for expressing views. they've been arrested for saying go and burn down migrant hostels with people in them. and if he says if he says, go and, you

know, not asking people to torch themselves, but go and torch those people, then he should be arrested. >> yeah, i would argue as well, though, that there is actually something else that some people have been done for, which is the spread of misinformation . right. spread of misinformation. right. and if he is there saying, you know, that this is what's going to happen to all of us, i.e. saying that, you know, barclays is in some way responsible for us all basically being incinerated by climate change. i mean, that is quite that's quite dubious information. i mean, there is a misinformation angle to it , potentially. harriet. to it, potentially. harriet. >> yes. i mean, i think that that's absolutely true, the other thing i found quite disturbing, listening to an interview by him, was this whole thing that ethics trumps the law and that if you feel that your ethics are under threat , as eco ethics are under threat, as eco terrorists do, that means you that gives you absolute permission to break any law. now, that's incredibly dangerous. and yet he he gets away with saying that on television a lot. i've seen a

lot him saying this again and again and surely i mean the thing is that anyone can make that argument. i mean , what what that argument. i mean, what what is one man's ethics is another man's revolution. yeah. so you can't you have to. that's what's so important about the law, is that it's meant to be neutral and that we're all equal in front of it. i think that's that's basically the point for me at this stage. >> i don't want to see him go to prison. i don't actually really want to see him cancelled. but i do take your point on that. but i do think that if someone else with a different political persuasion has said something similar about a different issue than they would have absolutely been nicked and cancelled forever and they'd have been cancelled. >> i'm not sure that it would be the key thing. >> when we talk about free speech so often people on the left will attack you because you know you're on the right. but what i would like to say is, imagine when it's your views are no longer the cool view. you still will want to be able to make that view. so when people try to close you down just because you don't agree, they should bear that in mind. but what's really important here is i still feel there's an element of his behaviour that is exciting people, that's inspiring people to take

actions. and i think somebody does need to say to him, you know, enough is enough here because you could be causing potential problems in the future. there's a corporate angle as well. a lot of these corporates are bent over backwards to please the likes of him and the green movement, but they still come for you anyway. so was it a waste of time ? so was it a waste of time? >> that's a good message. that is a good message. sorry. final word on this. the other aspect of this story was that the daily mail appeared to have uncovered that people are going to be trying to storm windsor castle, right. and they've managed to get into some kind of zoom meeting with with extinction rebellion, and they're planning also to basically take windsor as a whole . yeah, should the as a whole. yeah, should the police now just take pre—emptive action against this lot, or do we have to wait for this to happen?i we have to wait for this to happen? i don't think that you don't think you can pre arrest people, because that smacks of totalitarianism. >> but as keir starmer said when he was in opposition, just stop oil tactics are deplorable. they're the worst advertisements for anybody. you know, they do the cause of climate , of climate the cause of climate, of climate justice in harm. so what we do need to see is a very strong police response, and i'm glad we've got the intelligence and the police should be there , the police should be there, ready and waiting before they

can cause any trouble or disrupt our lives because it's another aspect to it, the whole thing, which is that, you know, okay, when they're doing people for social media posts and things like that, and they're saying, well, that could have had the potential to incite people. >> i do think that whilst i whilst i can absolutely see that, i do think that's a bit of a grey area. how do you prove that somebody who went down and did something to that migrant hotel hypothetical example here did, did that because of what they saw on sandra's facebook page? right. so if you have the likes of extinction rebellion, let's say they do get into windsor castle. how do we how do we know if they've done something? >> yeah, i think if they're inciting, then they should be arrested. >> but i mean, the other thing is the absolute naivety of the authorities. i mean, listening to that, that facebook whatsapp group , the daily mail has done group, the daily mail has done that. the, the police and the local council have let 10,000 activists come and sort of have activists come and sort of have a happy camp, camping thing around the palace. of course they are. and they have been exploited. >> absolutely. yeah, absolutely. like another great start to the show. so thank you very much. coming up, my panel, they're going to be back out there

because we're going to be whizzing you through all of tomorrow's front pages. oh and these thieves certainly got more than they bargained for. i'll show you what happened next. but first, harry and meghan, they've touched down in colombia . hey, touched down in colombia. hey, hey, stop i hey, stop! >> covid! labuschagne laura beddow . beddow. >> hey, the sussexes will take in the city of bogota before heading off to somewhere else. i can't pronounce on a quasi royal toun can't pronounce on a quasi royal tour. okay, but what the heck are they doing? i'm going to be joined as well by, well, someone who's very much in the know. stay tuned

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now harry and meghan, they have just touched down in colombia's capital city of bogota, where they were greeted by vice president francia marquez . and, well, we're marquez. and, well, we're reliably informed some traditional dancers. hey hey, stop poking guangxi 9/11 jim 'bones' mackay . well, there you 'bones' mackay. well, there you go. they'll also visit the first free town for escaped slaves in the americas, before heading to a ceilidh music festival that celebrates afro—colombian culture. there will also be events dedicated to the invictus

games mental health, female empowerment. but many colombians think the sussexes are just being used as political pawns by the failing left wing government to divert attention from the regime's many scandals . well, regime's many scandals. well, i'm very pleased to say i'm now joined by mailonline senior global reporter nick pisa, who is on the ground in bogota and colombia. nick, look great to have you on the show . one thing have you on the show. one thing that i think seems very odd to me is that this appears to be a royal tour from a couple that don't want to be royals . don't want to be royals. >> yes, that's right, and it has all the trappings with the security as well that's involved . security as well that's involved. we've seen 14 car and police van convoys carrying the sussexes through the streets of bogota since they arrived this morning. they've been on four engagements since they arrived , the first since they arrived, the first one meeting the vice president, francia marquez, and they went on to a school and then they went on to this, cultural exhibition in the city centre where there was some traditional dancing, some from some very colourful costumes. and you saw

in that clip there that harry and meghan got up and danced around, clapped their hands , and around, clapped their hands, and they met those dancers afterwards as well , there's a afterwards as well, there's a bit of controversy with the vice president, francia marquez, over the fact that she seems to travel everywhere by by helicopter , but we should say helicopter, but we should say she has been subjected to several death threats and also several death threats and also several attempted assassinations. in fact, one only two months ago on her father where a car that he was travelling in with her nephew was riddled with bullets. but fortunately both of them escaped unhurt . unhurt. >> yeah, well, fortunately they did. but again, it does raise serious questions about why harry thinks that great britain might be a little bit too unsafe for him, but he's happy to stand next to someone who has unfortunately , quite literally unfortunately, quite literally got a target on her back. can i ask what is the point of this trip? because some people are saying, well, you are kind of just doing pr here for, you know, a regime that has faced serious questions. i mean, i believe the son of the colombian president is up on money laundering charges , i think, in laundering charges, i think, in relation to drug traffickers in his own father's campaign.

>> that's right. i mean, there is there hasn't been that much interest from the ordinary colombians that i've managed to speak to in the street. a lot of them, obviously, they know who they are , but they they're just they are, but they they're just wondering what on earth they are. they are going to do here. obviously, their agenda is to promote cyberbullying. they're saying highlight women's empowerment, as you said in the introduction. and also look at the country's heritage and history. there's obviously a very strong link with the afro caribbean. and we know meghan on the visit to nigeria, was proud to emphasise her nigerian roots there and they will be taking a making a visit up to that , to making a visit up to that, to that village, which was the first free town for african slaves later on over, over the weekend. but yes , there are weekend. but yes, there are concerns from the colombians that maybe this is distracting from other more serious events domestically as well. there are concerned about the tensions between colombia and venezuela, over the recent election, over there. and they are focusing on there. and they are focusing on

the fact that that maybe more should be done focusing on on on the relationships with neighbouring countries as opposed to maybe this, this toun >> yeah. well, quite possibly . >> yeah. well, quite possibly. so you think that meghan is, is possibly given the nature of some of the itinerary that we've outlined here, going to be trying to emphasise her own cultural roots while simultaneously bringing an education on cyberbullying to people in rural colombia? >> i think so , yes, definitely. >> i think so, yes, definitely. i say the village that they're going to up in, up near cali is, is was set up about 300 years ago. it's a free town set up by slaves who used to be in that area of south america, in that area of south america, in that area of south america, in that area of colombia. and it has a very long history and heritage with with the, with africa. and i think there will be a lot of emphasis on the connections to africa when she visits that area with harry at the weekend. >> so just to emphasise from what you can gather, you know, you're on the ground quite a lot of local apathy from people there saying we're not really that bothered about them, why

are they here? and massive security presence. so what about 15 armoured cars? talk to me. it could go on. just talk to us about what it is like that security presence. go on. >> well, so they've closed off the streets surrounding the school that they visited and they've closed off the streets surrounding the, the cultural centre that they visited earlier today as well. and there is, as i say, a 15 car convoy , that is i say, a 15 car convoy, that is following them around. there's also armed soldiers with them as well. they are the security is quite immense. and i think also we have to focus not only is that security on on them , but that security on on them, but also on the fact that, as i say, there have been these death threats to the vice president, francia marquez. >> yeah. no indeed. all right. well, look, can i just say thank you very much for coming on and giving us. yeah, just a bit of a glimpse, really. what it's like on the ground. i would hope to talk to you again soon, actually, nick. so thank you very much for that. as nick sza there, who's the mail online senior global reporter i will just say this afterwards. what are they doing there? what is

the point? why don't you just go on holiday, isn't it? does anyone else find this a bit weird? do i think it's a bit odd going on this kind of pseudo royal tour? anyway, coming up, i'll have all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages with my panel of experts. oh yes, and what's going on over in afghanistan ? yeah, i mean, it's not good, but i'll you what's happening next.

gb news. welcome back to patrick christys tonight, and it's time to bring you the very first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages. okay. we start with the metro sex somnia. i believe i was raped in my sleep by. so sorry, but so—called experts said i had. yes. sexsomnia. or i'll just go into this. a woman has won a £35,000 payout after her rape case was ditched over dubious claims that she had sexsomnia , so essentially, she

sexsomnia, so essentially, she claimed that she was raped. apparently doctors tried to claim she had sex in her sleep , claim she had sex in her sleep, so. right. well, there we go. the independent british tanks drive back putin's forces inside russia. now, i'll be honest with you . this to me, does sound you. this to me, does sound quite worrying on a couple of levels. the challenger two vehicles supplied by kyiv play a role in an audacious incursion into russia . obviously, i think, into russia. obviously, i think, you know, in the round. good. but i'm just wondering, would putin think, well, these are british tanks anyway, we can maybe get round to that. the daily mail so much renee economic crisis gangbusters uk economy. now the fastest growing in the g7, an expansion of 1.3% since the start of the year. we've even outpaced the us. but the chancellor still suggests that she'll have to raise taxes. let's go to the daily express. surely no need for tax hikes with our growing economy. they've gone on a similar lines there at the daily telegraph gps next in line for the pm's cash handouts. doctors demand an 11%

funding rise after starmer pays out to end the rail strike. let me go into a bit more detail on this because this is what we'll zone in on. so gps are demanding an 11% funding rise. family doctors across the country are taking part in industrial action. after the bma threatened to bring the nhs to a standstill to bring the nhs to a standstill to gain increased funding for their surgeries. leaked letters reveal that the government has awarded them an above inflation boost of 7.4%, which the union has said is insufficient. they want a 10.7% hike in one year, saying this would bring a real terms income back to where they were in 2018 and 19. harriet i'll start with you on this. so labour looks set to be dishing out. will that be the taxpayer? it looks like to be dishing out for gps now. >> well, this is what we were discussing earlier. i mean, labouris discussing earlier. i mean, labour is doing the sort of typical labour playbook from the 19705, typical labour playbook from the 1970s, and they have given huge

amounts of money to the rail engine drivers, and now they're moving on to gps and, you know, every sector of the state will be looking at this and thinking, well, let's we should be getting in on this. i mean, we'll have nurses, we'll have teachers, we'll have them all. and what happened before you had inflation, you had the economy tanked. and it's just very sad indeed. this is going to happen all over again. >> jul how concerned should we be about this now, really? because the other aspect to it is gps. not all of them, but a lot of them seemed, you know, unbelievably happy about closing dunng unbelievably happy about closing during the coronavirus crisis. very slow to get back to work, loads of them. and i actually know this firsthand. loads of them decided to close early last week over this, this mythical threat of the far right riots around the country that never actually happened. right. so any excuse, it seems to be people say you should put a doctor's receptionist in charge of the channel because they'd never let anyone in. >> yeah, it's very true. >> yeah, it's very true. >> and now? now we're now we're

looking to 11% funding rise for surgeries. is this right? >> there's a few things i say i really didn't like the use the language that the bma used talking about bringing the nhs to a to a stop that that sounded unbelievably aggressive. and beanng unbelievably aggressive. and bearing in mind this is a patients the nhs service, not the government. the second piece to be said i returned to my theme earlier on. the junior doctors never wanted 2,035%. they pitched it there for political reasons and for negotiation reasons, and they've got this large payout. and i said, then if you give them that right, everybody else will come for it. and let's be very clear, if you're a union leader, that is your job. you've sat there and saw that, that resolution. so you've come for this resolution. and the only thing i want to say, i want to pay everybody as much as they should be. but let's be clear, it's people who often earn significantly less and definitely don't have the same kind of pension who are going to have to foot this bill. the last thing to say as well, one of the headunes thing to say as well, one of the headlines talked about our economy growing. right. the reason our economy is growing is because of the work that the previous government put in, and it doesn't matter how much it

grows, because labour are spending more than we're bringing in. >> why did he call the election when he did? >> exactly. >> exactly. >> well, exactly. >> well, exactly. >> can i just say this is actually a i will come to you, matthew, but i shawn seesahai as a tory here. i mean, you look at stuff like this with the economy, why the flipping heck did rishi sunak call the election when he did? >> do you know the worst thing he did with the election? he surprised all of us. all of us in the tory party with what's going on. look, he'll go to his grave with that piece of information. but the point. >> malibu first. >> malibu first. >> malibu first. >> malibu . >> malibu. >> malibu. >> the economy. the economy is growing because of the work the previous government did. this government are now about to squander it. >> all right, matthew, i worry that the message, especially the gps thing, sends out, actually, is that if you hold public health to ransom, if you hold people's health to ransom, you get a payout. >> well, i think there's a particular issue with the gps, which is that the public's disquiet about the gp part of the health service is probably the health service is probably the greatest of all its concerns about the health service. i mean, a cynic might suggest, they're saying capping the number of appointments. i

thought they did that anyway. i mean, you know, my gp practice doesn't have a thing as an appointment. now it's all telephone triage. way before covid, so, you know, good luck if you ever actually physically see a doctor. so i think what we needis see a doctor. so i think what we need is wholesale reform of gp's practice. one of the mistakes. and, you know, i admit to a mistake that the labour government, the last labour government, the last labour government made was when john reid, who was health secretary to , to keep the gps happy, got to, to keep the gps happy, got them to sign a contract , which them to sign a contract, which is when they stopped doing all out—of—hours work and which he stuffed their mouths with gold. and that is you speak to john. he would regret that, and that was one of the government's mistakes because they didn't get enough back in return for the deal enough back in return for the deal. so a new settlement , not deal. so a new settlement, not just a big check. >> well, let's let's just keep it. health really, because the world health organisation, remember them , has declared remember them, has declared a global health emergency after almost 15,000 cases of mpox, which is formerly known as monkeypox, were diagnosed in the democratic republic of congo with more than 500 deaths recorded so far. and despite the uk health security agency confirming today that there are

currently no known cases in this country, well , apparently sweden country, well, apparently sweden tonight has just reported its first case of the more dangerous and contagious mpox strain . now, and contagious mpox strain. now, well, i mean, should we be worried about this? i mean, because, look, from where i'm sitting, you know, we've got the world health organisation, which i think at times has been an absolute joke and a bit of a disgrace, actually, people are a bit sick of these kind of global health warnings and the fear that comes with it. but i mean, i don't know, it's in sweden now. well, there's two things to be said. >> firstly, i wanted the authorities to say anybody coming from the said country will be screened. anybody who's been anywhere near that country will be screened. that's what i wanted to hear. i didn't want to heat wanted to hear. i didn't want to hear. it's a very low risk. and the second thing, the world health organisation need to be very careful about issuing these, these reports, because if they're not real, these alerts, then we'll start to ignore them. so they need to give us what the parameters are and stick to them. >> well, the other problem is that we've got labour in charge

and labour last time called for longer and harder lockdowns . so longer and harder lockdowns. so i'm worried they're going to any excuse to put us all in lockdown for. >> well that's the so we've had two interesting ones there. whether whether if this does erupt i mean that's looking obviously you know a bit into the future. hopefully it doesn't. but if it did erupt would we all go into lockdown. i think the more immediate thing matthew, might be kind of what sean raised there, which is should we be now just shutting the borders to. >> well, i think i think health screening is a perfect thing. i mean, there's actually a bit of a previous m—pox scare because there were cases were found in there were cases were found in the gay community about 18 months or two years ago, and there was a vaccine programme. so i'm vaccinated. yeah. yeah, but but the vaccine programme , but but the vaccine programme, therese coffey was the health secretary, and she stopped the vaccine programme because the number of cases basically turned out to be a bit of a, you know, there were only a limited number of cases, not as many as they expected. it's the smallpox vaccine, basically. it's not very nice because you can't just do it. they have to do it into the underlayer of the muscle. so

it's like the ecg if you remember that from school. so it's a bit more painful than than than a normal shot. but i mean it's a very cheap and readily available and long tested vaccine. so it is it probably won't result in lockdown. >> we're all right. hopefully. well there we go . right. well there we go. right. quizzing ourselves on this is the moment that a cyclist in west bromwich took matters into his own hands, and he fought off a gang of motorcyclists who were allegedly attempting to steal his e—bike . bike his e—bike. bike. so, i mean, look at him go. that so they've allegedly been trying to nick his bike. it appears they've certainly pushed him off. he's got his spray out, i think. i mean, who carries that, by the way? what does that say about. that's the rule, but i'm not sure that's legal. there we go . sure that's legal. there we go. well, i want that spray. >> where is it? >> where is it? >> apparently . apparently, it's >> apparently. apparently, it's called criminal self—defence spray. yes okay, so there we go, but. yes well, there you go.

some some some some astonishing footage. there four men have been arrested. so that's all we can say about that. but yes, it was filmed by rafe kalinowski. who? yes, again? did confirm that that spray is called criminal self—defence spray. so i might get myself a bit of that, actually. yeah. there we go. >> just keep us in line. >> just keep us in line. >> also, just before we move on, i would like to make one thing quite clear, because we spoke quite clear, because we spoke quite a bit about chris packham earlier on. we did reach out to chris packham for comment and we are yet to hear back. anyway, coming up, what's going on . coming up, what's going on. here? right. well, i will show you next right after we deliver the rest of tomorrow's newspaper front pages. but spoiler alert, that wasn't good news. you just saw on your screen. there stay

all right. welcome back. i've got some more front pages for

you, so let's do it right. the guardian two tier system record a—level results highlight regional divides. they say that the south east was well ahead as top grades in top grades with the a levels . so there we go. so the a levels. so there we go. so apparently that's a regional divide for us there. let's go to the times . ministers are the times. ministers are favouring the unions over pensioners apparently. so train drivers pay deal to cost more than £100 million. we have spoken quite a bit about this already tonight, and so obviously pensioners are the ones that are going to be hit with that winter fuel allowance, so they're trying to equate the two things there. they've also got 1 in 10 a—level marks or top grade. it's a record outside covid and they've got some pictures there of harry and meghan on what is quite a weird trip to colombia. let's go to the daily mirror. ketamine queen held. now, this is an interesting story in a morbid sense. matthew perry, the friends actor, five people have now been arrested over his death

and a woman who's been nicknamed the ketamine queen is among five people charged with supplying him ketamine, which is a drug. it's a horse , tranquilliser, it's a horse, tranquilliser, i believe, and also some kind of slight hallucinogenic or however you would describe it. two medics, the. and the pa, have also been arrested. the allegations are that they were provided him at what appears to be quite an excessive cost, by the way, the drugs. and they found messages between each other, including, how much will this moron pay for the drugs? he sadly, sadly died. didn't see, and not so long ago as a result of an overdose. so i think that's going to be a big story going forward. and what i'm going forward. and what i'm going to zone in on now with my wonderful panel is, is the a levels, though, and about whether or not people , should whether or not people, should really go to university , whether really go to university, whether they should bother. and we've got quite inflated grades in some cases, i would say i do wonder. i'm not trying to shame anyone here. did everyone here go to university? yes, i'm not ashamed of going. yeah. no, i don't want to shame anyone. in case you didn't go or anyone.

yeah. no. exactly. but what do you think now that it is still what it was? is this kind of tony blair's vanity project that cost the taxpayer loads of money for student loans? yeah i think so. 50. >> so. >> and i think that what's, what's come out i mean, there was a lot of publicity about how much money you could earn from various sort of mickey mouse university degrees. and a lot of people have absorbed that, that there's actually they're not that degree is not going to do them any good, or they're going to end up in a call centre . so to end up in a call centre. so andifs to end up in a call centre. so and it's much better to do some kind of apprenticeship scheme. and that's that's what a lot of kids now are choosing to do. >> i think the real shame is the labour government of the day boosted the value of university above technical training, about above technical training, about above getting a trade, and that affected salaries in those worlds for a little while . but worlds for a little while. but what you're seeing now, people of a proper trade bricklayer , of a proper trade bricklayer, gas engineer, whatever, they are really starting to coin it in a lot of university degrees are leading to just huge debts. >> yeah, i mean, i would argue that it's all very well and good seeing people, you know, getting great grades . congratulations. great grades. congratulations. by great grades. congratulations. by the way, if anyone happens to

be watching this or you , you be watching this or you, you know, your relatives were or your children or your grandchildren, they got the grades they want. well done. i will also just say if you didn't get the grades that you want, thatis get the grades that you want, that is by no means the end of your life. it's not. it will feel like it. at the time. i remember when i was doing gcses and a—levels, i thought that this was the most important thing in my life, and it probably was at that moment in time. but you know what? i don't think anyone has ever checked my results for anything, ever. >> gcse results. you never even have to write them out again. >> no, seriously. just, you know, crack on and keep putting one foot in front of the other. but on that note, anyway, matthew, do you think that we oversell the idea of going to university? >> i think certainly the i think 50% seems to be about right. i mean, clearly the idea that was floating around that, you know, everybody would end up with a degree is just nonsense. and i think all parties have neglected technical education, frankly, not just over the last 20 years, but since the second world war, though, after the second world war, they're going to have special technical schools as well as grammar schools and secondary modern schools. that was the bit that fell by the wayside. it probably was the wrong one, because if you look

at countries like germany or south korea, where technical education is taken seriously, they benefit as a result. >> yeah, yeah , definitely. and i >> yeah, yeah, definitely. and i just want to win us over to a story that caught my eye earlier and i do think is pretty concerning, if not massively predictable. the taliban stuck two fingers up at the americans and in a way, us really as it celebrated the third year anniversary of retaking afghanistan with a military parade . yeah. lovely stuff. so parade. yeah. lovely stuff. so we can see helicopters there in full working order. we've also got oh, yeah, there we are , a got oh, yeah, there we are, a load of american military equipment. >> i was going to say , where do >> i was going to say, where do they get all american military? where do they get it from? >> oh, they fixed wing aircraft and helicopters thundered through the blue skies over bagram air base. once the hub for the us forces, as well as american tanks and humvees. all in all, some £5.5 billion worth of weapons, gear and ammunition were abandoned, and the taliban have just lapped that up. look

at that. yeah that is insane. what did anyone go and fight and die over there for? to see that. that is, i think, an absolute it's almost it's almost like, you know, kind of spitting on the memory. >> it's a real it's shameful. >> it's a real it's shameful. >> it's a real it's shameful. >> it's also a bit of a show of force. they look organised there, you know, they they look like they've improved. my view the taliban was people running around in pyjamas. not anymore . around in pyjamas. not anymore. that's a very that organised this is the thing. >> like that's, that is now very much our problem. the whole point wasn't it of going into war, there was to stop terrorism and stuff. and now we've actually just armed them to the flipping teeth and shock horror they still hate. >> and as we can see in the crowd shots, there not a single woman or girl. >> yeah. no. of course. yeah, yeah. no absolutely. yeah. i mean, but this should worry us, shouldn't it? i mean, the other one of the other stories on the front page is, you know, about taylor swift and defiant taylor wowing wembley , apparently, as wowing wembley, apparently, as we speak now, she had to cancel a couple of shows in vienna over the threat of isis. they were apparently . it's unbelievable

apparently. it's unbelievable security tonight at the taylor swift thing. as you would expect , swift thing. as you would expect, right? but it's because of stuff like this, isn't it? >> because it's targeting women and girls. i mean, we've seen it oven and girls. i mean, we've seen it over. we saw the manchester arena. we're seeing it with taylor swift. it's very chilling. >> but that that makes it. we are now less safe here as a result of what we've just seen. i mean it was shameful. >> i mean, and it was a stain on the legacy of, of the governments, which i think, you know, on both sides of the atlantic that just retreated and abandoned the people of afghanistan. and as you say, the memory of all of those who gave their lives is just disgraceful. >> it's a misunderstanding of people as well. sometimes in the western world, we have this thing about our reputation, and if we do it, they'll follow . if we do it, they'll follow. these people aren't going to abandon thousands of years of their own culture, just because we said so. that was never going to happen. and you're seeing the results of this now. and i always want to say to any western politician , think western politician, think carefully what some would have to get you to do to abandon your beliefs. why do you think they're going to abandon theirs? we should approach that whole situation very differently. >> very depressing that they thought that they were actually going to fight the taliban and

they didn't because they believed in the same things as the taliban , unlike iranian men the taliban, unlike iranian men who actually do make a stand, many of them for women and die. the afghan men weren't willing to do that. well >> well, they i mean, they weren't. we saw that. they weren't. we saw that. they weren't. they rolled on through into kabul, didn't they? and now there we are. >> hopefully we've learned a lesson from this. i unfortunately with these these geopolitical issues, i feel like they're going to come back. i hope as a western world, we deal with them very differently. >> yeah, 100%. well, it is back. it is back. we've seen it now. you know, they've got the helicopters. they've got they've got everything right. it is time to reveal today's greatest britain and union jackass. all right. is everybody ready? harriet, who is your greatest britain? please >> so she is actually antonina , >> so she is actually antonina, the ukrainian girl who lived with me with her mother for a yeah with me with her mother for a year. they had to flee their town, and they had to leave their home, their pets, everything, and get to the uk and start from scratch. and she has just today heard that she's

got sort of top a—levels and is going to a really good university of her choice. >> what fantastic. well, that is great news. well done, well done. well, good for you as well. you know, housing someone for a bit as well. it was it was a joy. good, good. sean, who's your greatest briton please. >> my greatest briton is rowan atkinson for his empowering speech about the importance of freedom of speech. and he talked about the three pillars of, of existence that he really appreciated. and he said, number two is freedom of speech. the only thing that beat it was food in your mouth. but the point is, it's really shocking in a way, in a pleasant way to see someone in a pleasant way to see someone in his industry talk about why we need freedom of speech. >> we've got a little clip of this. i think underlying prejudices , injustices or prejudices, injustices or resentments are not addressed by arresting people. >> they are addressed by the issues being aired , argued and issues being aired, argued and deau issues being aired, argued and dealt with, preferably outside the legal process . the legal process. >> so like i said, matthew,

greatest britain please. very swiftly the people of southport, as the town has put on its best to face the world as far as their fantastic flower festival, which they have every year, opens and shows the good of human nature. to be honest, i genuinely actually really couldn't choose between the three of them and i had to do it in the in the cold light of day outside. a couple of hours ago i did go for rowan atkinson free speech, but i think i think they all could have won. really. let's be honest. so, here's your union jack, please. >> so mick whelan, for making out the train drivers on £70,000 a year are a deserving hardship case. >> okay, well, okay. good start. >> okay, well, okay. good start. >> mine is disney world. a man's wife suffered a severe allergic reaction to food and died in one of their restaurants. and he claimed that he can't he can't take them to court or sue because he signed up to disney plus. now that shows us let's be very careful what we agree to. >> apparently, with that, there's a clause. am i right in saying when you sign up to disney+, which says you can't sue disney for anything? and his his wife died at disney? >> yes. that's correct, that's correct. and it just made me

think, what else have we all signed up for? and of course, lawyers are saying this is ridiculous. let's hope so. okay. >> all right . >> all right. >> all right. >> and mine is liz truss. he showed the clip last night, but it's the she's the joke that keeps on giving because the protesters have now been reported to the police. sense of humour, failure. if she'd smiled it off she'd have gained kudos. >> oh okay. all right. well today the winner of the union jackass award is actually disney world. mainly because i just thought that was absolutely bonkers, so hopefully they see a bit of sense there. but guys, thank you. i've really enjoyed tonight's show. it's been top drawer. so thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you to everybody who's watched who's listened as well. headliners are up next. they're going to be whizzing you through in more detail the newspapers. so make sure that you stay tuned for that and keep it gb news. thank you to everybody. as ever, who helps to put this show together. i will see you tomorrow at 9 pm. p.m. >> for a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news.

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wales and the midlands. some decent sunshine early on and a similar story further north and northern england, northern ireland and into scotland. there will be some decent sunny spells here, but for western scotland quite a few showers already developing and these showers are going to continue as we go through the day tomorrow. they're always going to be most frequent across western northwestern parts of scotland, and here we will also have some blustery winds pushing their way in, and those blustery winds are going to add to the slightly cooler feel to things across northern parts of the uk. further towards the south southeast. once the cloud and the rain clears away, it should feel pretty warm with temperatures in the mid 20s celsius. looking ahead

gb. news >> good evening. the top stories from the gb newsroom. us actor matthew perry's live in assistant has pleaded guilty to conspiring to distribute ketamine connected to his death. 59 year old kenneth iwamasa admitted to repeatedly injecting perry with ketamine without medical training, including performing multiple injections on the 28th of october last yeah on the 28th of october last year. mr iwamasa was one of five people charged after the friends star died from an accidental ketamine overdose. the 54 year old was found unresponsive in the pool at his residence in los angeles . in other news, a 15