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force too obsessed with diversity? the premier league kicks off tonight and well they've upped the security level amid fears of far right violence. so if you're off to the footy, you'll most likely see a massive police presence. and we know that if anyone shouts anything fruity, then well, you will be sent to prison. however here's how the police got stuck into pakistan. independence day . come on begum independence day. come on begum libya rafe arade dam bibas family azeem arade dam ni bhasha mukherjee . yeah, and there's a mukherjee. yeah, and there's a little bit more, i think that we've got for you as well of some police dancing up in manchester for good measure . manchester for good measure. and as we all know, they really like to get involved in pride events, don't they ? baroness

events, don't they? baroness hallett . macarena i and of hallett. macarena i and of course we can't forget notting hill carnival as well, which does occasionally see scenes like this . like this. and police officers doing stuff like this . % jim mcmahon . like this. % jim mcmahon. lovely stuff. and the palestine marches. i mean, here is one police officer making her views very clear. three free palestine . very clear. three free palestine. look, we've just had a police force found to have discriminated against white police officers. instead promoting an ethnic minority candidate. and of course , well, candidate. and of course, well, there is this legendary clip as

well. >> salam alaikum. good morning everyone. and thank you to the leaders and elders that have afforded me this opportunity to speak to you personally. the police are equipped. we're well trained and we very much will be directly dealing with any of that sort of issue on behalf of everyone that lives in the west midlands, chakram . midlands, chakram. >> and then the metropolitan police began a statement which you'll see on your screens now by saying that diversity is our greatest strength . look, is our greatest strength. look, is our police force too just obsessed with being woke? let's get our thoughts. my panel this evening, shall we? i've got former bbc anditv shall we? i've got former bbc and itv political chief john sergeant, entrepreneur and social commentator, joana jarjue and political commentator alex armstrong. alex, i'm going to start with you on this one because i can't help but wonder whether or not our police are just too obsessed with appealing to minority communities. well it

seems to me we don't know whether we want a police service or a police force. >> i want police to be tough and fair for everybody. and that includes the way they police events like football , the events like football, the pro—palestine events, notting hill carnival, what we are seeing, though, is that the police will engage with some communities and celebrate, and in others they won't like the football tonight, you're not going to see police going if it's a palace game, well done palace. they're not going to see them engaging in that. but we see them screaming, you know, free palestine and this is what gets the british public riled up. it gets them annoyed because they see a two tier system. one rule for everybody else and one rule for everybody else and one rule for everybody else and one rule for for, mostly british white people. >> are you trying to say that when it's the euros or the world cup, that white policemen don't want to celebrate with other british people? >> well, they wouldn't let they wouldn't let people celebrate in london. >> but the key thing is we also need to look at who has a reputation of smashing cities up when they're celebrating. i'm not being funny, but when we just if we look at it

objectively, there's street parties, there's dancing. i'm not saying that sometimes when the celebrations in certain communities, there isn't violence, but categorically we have bus stops that are smashed up, telephone boxes that are smashed up. it's almost like part of british culture is like almost , yes, celebrating. and almost, yes, celebrating. and there's some decent people out there, but also smashing cities up. okay. >> so john, do you do you think that the police seem to trip over themselves to do things like be seen at pride events, having a good time, be seen at notting hill carnival, getting involved, be seen dancing when it's pakistan independence day. i just wonder whether or not they are. they are a bit obsessed with being seen to be doing that kind of stuff. >> well, no, i think they're being badly led. i mean, the problem about most of these things is they're quite complicated issues. you can't simply say, do all that carry on or do that. they've got to be thinking and they've got to be reacting quickly to situations that change. and that's where the police have always had difficulty. the army in northern ireland would often be much better simply because the officers were more intelligent and better led. it's always this question of can you get the

right kind of leadership at the right kind of leadership at the right moment to say , stop this, right moment to say, stop this, don't do this. i may have said that yesterday, but the situation is different today and we have a situation to do. >> we have a situation where community leaders and i put that in air quotes, because the police used that quote, that that quote all the time, seem to have a lot of authority in the way that their local communities are policed. >> i don't know how to become a community leader. i would really like to become one, because i'd like to become one, because i'd like the police to come and ask me how they want football to be, to be managed, how the policing should work for that. because i would rather the police were less aggressive. and we saw in saint george's day , if we look saint george's day, if we look at the comparison of, of the celebration of pakistani independence day yesterday compared to saint george's day, you'll see it . and people like you'll see it. and people like keir starmer will tell you that it doesn't exist . it doesn't exist. >> and you should believe your eyes then, because realistically, if we were, if we were so much of a christian country and all these things that we're trying to protect, then the community leader would be the local priest, right? so the muslim people have it in terms of the local imam, and that's the person that they feel like younger people with that. what do you mean they're not

allowed? they're not elected. no, no, i know the police go and talk to a community leader who is an unelected person. >> and with respect, i do wonder whether or not you would ever be able to become a community leader. i mean, it's not, you know, i mean, i'm catholic, but i don't know if you could be a catholic community leader. >> you could do that. why not? i don't know, i just think that in other it just happens that naturally in other communities and cultures, you have that hub which will be the mosque and you feel as if like people will kind of gravitate towards that. >> we just don't have as much of a strong culture. and i'm saying this as yes, i'm black, but i'm also like a black brit and i'm christian, and we don't have that hub of like a key person that hub of like a key person that we listen to. >> who do you listen to but you don't. and archbishop but no, but that that's exactly the problem, joanna, is that that isn't actually how british society is. that's not the culture of britain. our community leaders are elected politicians, as you know, and that's the person you would look to if you needed advice or you needed something sorted out. or maybe not. actually, not in the current the current state of a lot of them. but but when you do have areas that haven't assimilated, the police have to go to unelected officials to decide how to police. and a lot

of the time it's called self—policing, which is wrong. >> and also you've got to realise that for the police commanders at any given point, first of all, they're operationally independent. it's up to them to take decisions. often what they do is go for the easy option. yes, they go for the easy option. they think, oh well, we don't need to deal with that. we've only got a small force of people. they haven't got enormous numbers , they're got enormous numbers, they're not very highly trained and they think, right, go to the area with maximum problem. and then often they they're very effective. but what they can't do is to then realise that, wait a moment. if too you're nice to this group, you will alienate the other group . and you are the other group. and you are sometimes asking them to do something which is so difficult politically that they're not. nobody would be up to it. >> and this is this is kind of cuts to the core of this. when i'm asking this question tonight, you know, are the police too obsessed with diversity? we are keen to know your views as well. gbnews.com/yoursay get those views coming in. for me, it comes down to fear when you see the metropolitan police releasing a statement that starts with essentially the words diversity is our greatest strength. that is a way of them.

i think, trying to mitigate whatever happens next. and i wonder whether or not we want a police force. i mean, you know, is diversity our greatest strength? >> no, it's absolutely not our greatest strength in the police force is their ability to enforce the law, not their ability to be as diverse and inclusive as possible, because unfortunately, their job is to crack down on criminals and to enforce strict rules and to be equal and fair to everybody, of coui'se. >> course. >> but the only way they can be equal and fair is by actually having a diverse force. you cannot be equal and fair without having people who actually understand. >> but is it their greatest strength? joanna, that's the question. i don't think it is . question. i don't think it is. >> there are two basically are the equivalent of if there are jim mcmahon, i want there to be the equivalent of actually policing society. if society is diverse , then the police force diverse, then the police force has to actually reflect that. and is it their greatest strength? >> that's the question i don't think it is. i don't think the greatest strength of the police force have in this country is how many people of different ethnicities work in their, in their institutions into it too much. >> i think you're reading into it. >> it's a it.— >> it's a test. it's a very

important test. how diverse they are. but that's not diversity. that's a straightforward question. how many people have you got in your force that relate to the people you're deaung relate to the people you're dealing with? and that is important. you don't need to then make a great thing of it or sort of we bow to. it's not that it's a matter of now if someone has a pakistani gene and then thinks pakistani gene and then thinks pakistan day is an exciting day, you don't carry it into your police activity. now, if they do, do that, stop it. >> can i just make one quick point? actually maybe in some of these areas where you're seeing a white policeman go up to and say, salaam alaikum and all of this, it's because maybe that particular force isn't that diverse. and they have to go to community leaders because some communities, because of past treatment and stuff, are holding police , you know, like an arm's police, you know, like an arm's length. so you have to be able to speak to the people who can then communicate with those people to make sure that things don't escalate. >> i do get that, but unfortunately for them, you know, there is a police force. greater manchester police, you know, that had a police station basically kept under siege after those two lads who were still

yet to be charged. as far as i'm aware, for that incident at manchester airport . you know, manchester airport. you know, there's people with megaphones outside. it's saying, come out, bnng outside. it's saying, come out, bring the police officer out now and things. and you think, well, why do we still have to try to appease people like that? but we've got loads more on. thank you very much for a lively start. you'd love to see it coming up. it's a tv exclusive for you. okay, so the extraordinary story of a former royal marine who went undercover in a calais migrant camp, i could build a tent deep inside . could build a tent deep inside. >> so tonight we met back up with the boys , the boys from with the boys, the boys from chad that we met yesterday on the, yesterday's update. >> yeah, that's right. he's got an astonishing story to tell. so the best selling author, lee west, has been right to the heart of the small boats crisis. he has got strong words for the stop the boats brigade. okay, so he'll be live soon. but up next, a shock new poll has revealed a massive spike in concern about migration among brits. so is immigration actually the most pressing issue facing the country? the chair of

migrationwatch uk out, mehmet he goes head to head with former labour advisor suzy stride. i think there'll be fireworks. stay tuned

for welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now coming up, the extraordinary story of the man who went deep undercover in a calais migrant camp. i mean, honestly, this guy has got one

heck of a story to tell. so make sure you stay tuned for that. but first is immigration. now the most pressing issue facing the most pressing issue facing the country? it's time for the head to head . well, an head to head. well, an astonishing new poll has today revealed a massive increase in concern about immigration among brits . so 34% are now concern about immigration among brits. so 34% are now naming migration as the most important issue facing the country. all right. it marks the first time it's topped this issue on that list, which is ipsos mori since october 2016. right. so separately, a more in common poll, which another group of people who do polling has conducted in the aftermath of the anti—immigration protests and violent riots that swept parts of the uk, they've today found that 48% of brits do not feel proud that britain is a multi—ethnic society. but among tory voters, that figure falls to 39% 20% for reform voters as well. they think that diversity is a particularly good strength when it comes after tory

leadership hopeful priti patel refused to apologise for her party's track record on both legal and illegal immigration. >> net migration has gone up 2 million over four years. you don't want to say that was too much. i mean, many would say it is too much, but you can put context to it and i think it's too lazy. >> if i may say so. i do think, you know, put the facts and the context around this. we have to be honest with the public about what our economy and our country needs. what our economy and our country needs . i've spent years when i needs. i've spent years when i was in government as well. all colleagues lobbying for more seasonal agricultural workers , seasonal agricultural workers, treasury, of course, more lorry drivers, lorry drivers . drivers, lorry drivers. actually, dwp did some really good work on to actually more training schemes in place. but again it speaks to our economic needs and how well all of that rolled into one i think begs the question, doesn't it? >> is immigration the most pressing issue facing our country? let me know your thoughts. go to gbnews.com forward slash your say or tweet me @gbnews and while you're there, go and vote in our poll. but going head to head on this now is the chair of

migrationwatch uk out , mehmet migrationwatch uk out, mehmet and the former labour party adviser susie stride. both of you thank you very much. great to have you on the show. alp, i'll start with you. is immigration the biggest issue facing britain right now ? facing britain right now? >> well, who are we to question what the people are saying? the pubucis what the people are saying? the public is saying yes it is. they are concerned that's not new, patrick. that's been the case for years and years. all right. it's gone back up to the top of the list. now but we've had concerns about immigration and not about people, foreigners coming here. it's nothing to do with that. it's the scale of immigration. it's the extent to which illegal immigration has gone up and up without, with an inability to do anything about it . that's what people are it. that's what people are concerned about. the millions of people that have been added to our population over the last 20 years, 8 million people, of whom 7 million were the result of

immigration. of course, this bnngs immigration. of course, this brings pressures and concerns for people. the housing, the nhs, the infrastructure , all the nhs, the infrastructure, all the needs of that number of people. that's what we've got to address. >> all right . well i'll come >> all right. well i'll come back to you, alp susie, i'll bnng back to you, alp susie, i'll bring you in on this now because this is actually the last of quite a few polls that we've had recently. i mean, the yougov one put 51% of people thinking that immigration was the biggest issue. so do you agree with them that it's more important than the nhs, more important than the economy ? economy? >> i think there's two different things here, isn't there? there's what are voters saying? what are people saying are their biggest concern and as has just been said, look, it's people have got every right to say that this is their this is one of their biggest concerns. but then i think there's also actually what is going on in the country and what are the biggest issues that we face as a country now, ultimately, no one's going to deny that immigration is not a

massive concern that people have and be something that needs to be addressed. and, you know , we be addressed. and, you know, we there needs to be proper and good controls on immigration. however, at the same time, you know, if we're actually you know, if we're actually you know, looking at the facts, the facts are the biggest , the facts are the biggest, the biggest issues facing our country are we need to sort out the economy, we need to build homes. we've got a housing crisis in this country. we need to build homes. you know, we've got massive issues with our nhs. you know, people waiting on waiting lists and buying, you know, now 100% i agree we can't be, you know, being arrogant and saying to people, oh no, this is not an issue. it is an issue. but i think it is the biggest issue facing this country. >> okay. look, i'm just going to i'm just going to pause there. there's a little issue with your connection, but i'm sure we'll get that sorted by the time i come back to you. so don't worry about alp. i'll throw it to you. what susie was saying there was. well, actually, look, in practical terms, you know, practical term s, you know, housing, practical terms, you know, housing, the economy, the nhs, all of that stuff is actually

more important in our day to day lives. i wonder how, you know, is immigration actually responsible for all of those issues as well ? issues as well? >> but certainly there's an impact. and that's part of the reason why people are concerned. you can't have increases in your population over a relatively short time of millions of people who want and need their doctor, who want and need their doctor, who need their schools, who need their jobs, who need to travel on public transport, all these things are, of course, affected by immigration and immigration as it is at the moment. i think that the government has been rather foolish and focusing attention on the reaction to it, rather than actually addressing what people are really concerned about. and that's the scale of immigration as well as with illegal immigration. stopping the boats. they seem to have forgotten all about that. they're saying that are they going to smash? smash the gangs ?

going to smash? smash the gangs? yeah, right. the gangs are laughing themselves silly. now, on the way to the bank, as their burgeoning bank accounts are exploding. >> okay, susie, look , former >> okay, susie, look, former labour advisor, if you were if you were right in there now , you were right in there now, right in the heart of number 10, obviously you'd have to push your way past various different union barons, but then you finally get to see sir keir starmer. all right. what do you say to him about this issue? now you've got the public there saying pretty convincingly on numerous different polls now that for them, immigration is the big issue. alp's made the point that i suspect quite a few people are thinking, which is, well, when it comes to housing, when it comes to the nhs, when it comes to gdp per capita, we are actually worse off as a result of mass immigration. so what would your advice be to sir keir starmer now? because he's got to sort this hasn't he. >> yeah, i mean look i think i think it's really important to know that there is no way that keir starmer and the labour government is not seeing that this is a key issue. and i think we have said that and i think

it's really important and i think it's important to also state, i mean, we've only had a labour government for four weeks. so the policies that we are saying we're going to implement, no one can say whether they're working or not working. we've been in for four weeks. you know, i would say that's judge us months down the road when actually, you know, we've begun to actually began to implement some of what we've said that we want to do . and i said that we want to do. and i think it is important. i mean, we're not actually having a debate now about whether the conservatives did well or not. but let's be honest, for 14 years they had a very, very poor track record on this. and i think it's really important. let's give labour a go. let's give labour a chance to see what they're going to do on this issue. but i think it's really important. and i've said this already we can't be arrogant here. it's really important . here. it's really important. we've got to listen to where the pubuc we've got to listen to where the public are at. the public have concerns about this. we need to listen to them and we do need to act. but i think it's also important to have the right perspective that, you know , perspective that, you know, immigration is not the biggest issue we're facing as a country.

there are. >> okay. i'll just i just want to ask you a follow up question to ask you a follow up question to this, and then i'll go over to this, and then i'll go over to alp for the final word. what are labour's policies on immigration? >> i'm just trying to turn off my air con because i think it's affecting the election. say that again. >> do we know what labour's policies on immigration are? they said he said he wants to reduce it. so this is legal. we're talking about have we got anyidea we're talking about have we got any idea about about what those policies are. >> yeah i think i think we've made it quite clear. i think yvette cooper has spoken about a we are going to come down and we're going to we're going to smash the criminal gang, you know, that are allowing these people to cross the channel. we're going to make sure that, you know, the home office, we've got this massive backlog of people, but that's illegal stuff. >> what's the what about the legal stuff? what about legal immigration? that's the big number, isn't it? >> sorry. say that again. what about legal immigration, susie? >> because, you know, the smash, the gangs thing. we know that. but what about the legal stuff? the massive numbers of people

coming here? what are we going to do about that ? to do about that? >> i mean, to be honest, i would argue, look, there's different things going on. but number one, we do need levels of legal migration to this country. that thatis migration to this country. that that is needed. you know, and i think anyone that denies that , think anyone that denies that, you know, we do want people coming here from other countries going to university here. that's really our economy. you know, we do want people coming and attending our university system . attending our university system. we do want people coming to this country. and also where there are jobs and where there are skills gaps, which ultimately we want to make sure that actually we are skilled people in this country at the moment. you can't do that overnight. you've got to fill those those shortages. so i think, you know, we've got to look at this in a realistic way. >> fine, susie. that's great. thanks, alp . just final word to thanks, alp. just final word to you on this. we're going to have to be quite snappy. are we seeing any indication for you that labour might actually get a grip of this? because, you know, i think there's quite, quite big problems coming down the track for them. if they don't. >> on the contrary, patrick, we are seeing every indication that labour won't get a grip on it.

we're not going to see immigration come down in any significant way, and we're going to see our population grow immeasurably over the next ten, 20 years. that is a serious problem. >> okay, both of you, thank you very much. cracking head to head that that is the chair of migrationwatch uk out mehmet and former labour adviser susie stride. who do you agree with. all right. we asked is immigration the most pressing issue facing the country? elliott on x says no, but it's a very visible symptom. whether governing class never looking further than the next election problem that causes every other no matter the party, our governing class are inadequate to the task of governing. there we go, mike says. how many times do we have to say it? yes, well, it's a good question that, mike, because people do tend to say that at most elections, although probably not the last one. but john says no free speeches are okay. all right. well, your verdict is now in. 94% of you think that immigration is the most pressing issue facing the country. 6% of you say it's not coming up yet. this remarkable story. the former royal marine,

now best selling author lee west, he went undercover in a calais migrant camp, >> i could build a tent deep inside. so tonight we met back up with the boys, the boys from chad that we met yesterday on yesterday's update . yesterday's update. >> i don't know about you, but i want to hear about the boys from chad. but he went to the heart of the small boats crisis in france. then he made the journey across the channel, >> it's a bit choppy now. waves getting, a lot bigger and get cold as well. >> now . >> now. >> now. >> well, i'm very pleased to say he joins me for a tv exclusive. you will not want to miss

welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now we have got a tv exclusive with a former royal marine. he's an author. he's called lee west and he went deep undercover in a migrant camp in calais. and we've got a couple of clips for you. this is the start of his extraordinary story. >> i could build a tent deep inside . so tonight we met back inside. so tonight we met back up with the boys , the boys from up with the boys, the boys from chad that we met yesterday on to yesterday's update . just about yesterday's update. just about to make our exit from the tent. i don't think the boys are up yet . it's i don't think the boys are up yet. it's raining. we might be might be come from sat around the campfire, >> it happens .

>> it happens. >> it happens. >> from this angle, at the time, it was still full of people with fires inside the gym , and we fires inside the gym, and we asked where the church was , this asked where the church was, this is what's been left . is what's been left. >> well, i'm very pleased to say that i'm joined now by the man himself. well, lee, thank you very , very much. great to have very, very much. great to have you on the show. and could you just take me through, take me through the beginning of your journey? so, so the french side of this, how did it all begin for you? >> yeah. so a friend and me, paul >> yeah. so a friend and me, paul, every year we would go and live homeless for a week. when on leave . and each year, then we on leave. and each year, then we would up the ante and try something a little bit more edgy and a bit more topical . and of and a bit more topical. and of course, nothing seems to be more topical in the uk than boats and, illegal migrant camps, and

especially the ones on northern france . so we came up with the france. so we came up with the idea of going, we've seen it all on the news. we all see it, of course, all the time, and you have to try and filter what you see from the news with what is actually going on over there and we thought, well, let's go and have a look ourselves. let's go across to france dressed scruffily and try and blend in and see what's going on in these camps. >> i will just ask you , because >> i will just ask you, because i think i imagine quite a few of our viewers and listeners are thinking this at the moment, how did you manage to blend in? lee? did you have to come up with some kind of backstory or something? >> yeah, that's right. so we weighed it up and look , when we weighed it up and look, when we go homeless in the uk, it's easy to pretend to be a british person being homeless. we couldn't go across there and start pretending to be, like everybody else within these camps. it just wasn't possible. we also didn't want to go across there and just be, oh, we're reporters or where charity aid

workers on the other end of the spectrum. so we had to try and find somewhere in the middle where we could go in there and actually get some glean some good information and get the real story from them, rather than them just giving us the copy and pasted line that they gave to all the aid workers and all the reporters. let's come up with something else, something that they haven't seen before, and get in there and have some real conversations. so we floated a few ideas around and yeah, we couldn't pretend to be them. the only logical one, realistic one we came up with, which sounded ridiculous when paul first, proposed it to me, was that we were, deserters from the french foreign legion. so we joined the legion . and, of joined the legion. and, of course, when he joined the legion, you get all your documents and identity stripped from you. we decided we didn't like it. we didn't want a piece of that. we jumped the wall and escaped from the legion . and escaped from the legion. and now, of course, we're making our way back to the uk. but we've got no documents. we're without

papers. we. and we're living homeless until we can get word to the uk government who we are and get safe passage across. so the story was , until we got that the story was, until we got that safe passage , sent to us, we safe passage, sent to us, we were just living homeless in and around, and it worked on the french coast and it worked. >> so they, they, they they took that as you know, they took the bait on that, as it were. so let's get into the meat and bones of it now then. so when you were there, what kind of stuff were you seeing? because we do have quite a large refugees welcome brigade in this country at the moment, who maybe have rose tinted glasses on when it comes to the type of people who are coming here. so so you've lived amongst it there, you've lived amongst it there, you know what, what were the people like? what was the situation like? you know, what are their actual stories? go on. >> yeah. so we like a lot of people, i guess when you see it from the outside of the media, you think that this is just one big harmonious camp where they're all united in their goals and their aim of getting across the channel, and they all start with the campfires singing kumbaya , and it's all one sort

kumbaya, and it's all one sort of unified, cohesive unit there. and it isn't at all. we found the exact opposite. we got there and we found there were different tribes and camps , different tribes and camps, settlements in different areas, which i guess is natural when you're from different areas, you want to hang around with the people you're familiar with. and we got there and there were various different sort of the wider area. they had their own little camps. so you had people from sudan , somalia, eritrea and from sudan, somalia, eritrea and then going across to the middle east, syria , afghanistan, east, syria, afghanistan, kurdistan and of course all these people, just because they're in the same predicament, then suddenly become friends and allies because a lot of them don't like each other from historical reasons. so we got there and we found there were these very fractured camps, and there was a lot of tension there as well, a lot of drinking, which our pictures showed a lot

of discarded cans, beer cans and kegs, even, drugs. we definitely saw the effects of drugs. i mean, we lived homeless enough to see spice effects of spice and type of drugs like that , and type of drugs like that, hallucinogenics. we saw a lot of that. hallucinogenics. we saw a lot of that . and then come darkness, of that. and then come darkness, of course , they're all getting a course, they're all getting a bit more drunk and a bit more edgy, and then the tensions would spill over and they would become a lot more violent towards each other . and so it towards each other. and so it wasn't a very, yeah, pleasant environment to be in. >> and what is your well, when you were there as well. so you were just camping in amongst that as well and just observing it all. i mean, do you have any hairy moments yourself or were you just kind of able to take a step back and see what was going on? >> yeah, initially when we got there, we were welcomed because they see a lot of people looking like us every day to there to help them. so of course they're weighing us up, but these guys are there to help us, not just with food handouts. there's a lot of people there, a lot of

ngos, no borders groups who actually facilitate them getting across. they don't just give them handouts, they tell them when they get to the uk , say when they get to the uk, say this, say that. you'll remember a few years ago there's a big influx of them saying, oh, i'm homosexual, and therefore i can't go back to my country. it may not be i'm fleeing from war now because you've rumbled me on that one, but you can't send me back now because the uk cares about human rights, and i'm going to be persecuted because i'm gay, so they are being schooled. >> sorry to interrupt. i just think that's an important point. right. so. so they are being schooled by, you know, the ngos and the and the refugee charities that are over there. they're saying, right, you know , they're saying, right, you know, when you get to britain, you say this and they'll let you stay. >> yeah. yeah. they they're prepared. they, they, they tell them how to fill in paperwork, what to say. they're fully briefed up on what to do when they get there. and these are active. we met them. there were no borders was the biggest one. we came across who were just so overt about their actions and what their purpose was . there what their purpose was. there should be no borders. everyone

should be no borders. everyone should be no borders. everyone should be able to go where they want and we will help them do that. and we saw that. so of course, the people looking at us thinking, well, are these here to help us as well? so initially we were welcomed and we embraced that and we didn't want to just go probing them straight away. we just wanted to sit around the campfire. we had a few beers as well to blend in as you do and to relax us, and then as naturally as it does, we'd have a joke with them, start talking to them, and eventually their stories would come out then and we'd get to a certain point in some of the camps where then there's a language barrier, of course, and we found the time to leave. was that when some members would start speaking to the other members in because most of them spoke english in their mother tongue, and an argument would start happening and we'd sort of be looking at each other going, i think they're arguing about us and one of them's not happy with us being here. and of course, now that drinks coming into it and darkness has come in, so it's getting more heated, and there's a few times where we'd have to extract ourselves from that

environment sooner rather than later. >> well, well, what we're going to do is we're going to pause it for now because there's another there's another half to this story , which is the fact that, story, which is the fact that, that you you got across the channel that you you got across the channel, you got in a small boat and your journey there, and i think that is actually equally as fascinating. you know , as fascinating. you know, there's nothing quite it's all right for me here, sitting in a nice studio. you know, you've been out there, you've been you've lived it. and i know that our viewers and listeners are going to really look forward to heanng going to really look forward to hearing what you have to say next about your actual journey across. so we'll get stuck into that in a couple of minutes time. i'll just tease ahead to something else we've got coming up as well, because train drivers, they've announced that they will strike every weekend for the next three months. just hours after securing a bumper pay hours after securing a bumper pay offer from the government. could anyone have predicted that? oh yeah. everyone. oh, and border force staff and gps, they want to go on strike as well. they're out on strike demanding more money. so has sir keir starmerjust more money. so has sir keir starmer just opened the door to strike armageddon? but yes, as you were hearing next, former royal marine lee west, he rejoins us. doesn't for see the second part of this absolutely astonishing story. he went

undercover in that migrant camp and then he attempted to cross the english channel back to the uk , uk, >> it's a bit choppy now . waves >> it's a bit choppy now. waves getting, a lot bigger and get cold as well. >> now r , you will not want miss what he has to say there. >> stay

all right. welcome back. so it's time now for the second part of this tv exclusive with the man who went undercover in the calais migrant camp. he then did make that crossing back to the uk to have a little look at that. >> so we've just had a pick up from special agent, we're on the back of his van, en route to the, drop off point for the next phase. >> we just had a, quite a close call with, big ship, in the dark , call with, big ship, in the dark, because it's really hard to judge how close they are until it was sort of right upon us, we went across this front. we're

still in the thick of it. still in the middle of the shipping lane. we think we're over halfway, we're just hitting quite a busy part of the, the lane. there's a big container ship, it's a bit choppy now . ship, it's a bit choppy now. waves getting, a lot bigger . waves getting, a lot bigger. thatis waves getting, a lot bigger. that is that is it? we've made it . gario. welcome to your new it. gario. welcome to your new home, good buddy. >> oh, there we go. the man behind the story, lee westhill, joins me now . welcome back lee. joins me now. welcome back lee. thank you mate. look, just before we talk about that, that actual channel crossing, can i just ask when you were in those camps that we were seeing before, i'm quite intrigued to know. were there loads of women and children as well, or was it mostly men? do you think , mostly men? do you think, >> 99.8% male? yeah. fighting age males. and we saw maybe 1 or 2 women the whole time. what they're purpose was there. we don't know. we didn't get to talk to them. but yeah, it was predominantly male . yeah. predominantly male. yeah. >> and just to emphasise again, some of the stories that were

coming out there, you said that some of them were getting schooled by some of these, these refugee groups etc. when you were talking to them, what was their main motivation for wanting to come to britain? because they are in france . it's because they are in france. it's a safe country. >> there are multiple reasons. sometimes it was their family members here. and again through chatting to them, man to man, the stories start to come out. we didn't ask them direct questions. i learned that in the marines and always create a conversation and the answers will come out, and not just to the family members because they wanted to be with their sister, but the family members have got contacts in the uk for work, whatever that might, might be. and of course, helping them settle there and all the rest of the stuff . so, so a lot of it the stuff. so, so a lot of it was that they already had contacts here. and of course, then they'd been briefed by these ngos that this is why you're entitled to. this is why you're entitled to. this is why you can get the british government will give you this. it will allow you to have all these these extra benefits. so a lot of it was materialistic

reasons why they wanted to come to england. because like you said, france, it's a modern country. it's one of the leading powers in europe. yeah. and they'll be very well looked after. i mean, most people would want to move to france out of england . england. >> well, a lot of people, a lot of people have second homes in france, don't they? to be fair, in fact, a few people are off on houday in fact, a few people are off on holiday there as we speak. but, we've still got we've still got a few minutes. i just want to ask about that crossing then. so. so how did you get in that? in a boat. how did you get across? just talk me through that. really? and then what? that journey was like. >> yeah, we lived there for a week. homeless. and then a friend came across on the ferry with a van so he could have been intercepted. he had he had the deflated dinghy in the back with a small engine. met us after our seven days of living in the camps on on the french coast, we hadnt camps on on the french coast, we hadn't even pre—planned before we left to go to france , where we left to go to france, where we left to go to france, where we were going to launch from. we did that from google maps while we were in the camps. we looked at google maps. there's a slipway into the into the channel. that's where we're going to go. so the first time

we set eyes on where we were going to launch from was when we got there. so it could have been completely unsuitable , we got completely unsuitable, we got there, he met us with the boat. he was dressed as a frenchman with a beret and a tache, which was a great bit of morale. after seven days living homeless in a camp and a blow up doll called gary from only fools and horses, we went then to the to the slipway, pumped the dinghy up on the beach with a with a 12 volt battery from a van. nearly woke up half the coast. it was so loud . loud. >> no, actually i take it. no no no police, no gendarmes, no nothing. >> and we were we were near sangatte, the old migrant camp . sangatte, the old migrant camp. so we weren't a million miles away from where they all are. we didn't go to normandy or somewhere, so we were close and looking at the maps. why did we pick that slipway? because it was the only one we could see. so it was obviously a an obvious prominent point to launch from. but there was nobody there, no, nobody there on the beach to greet us, it was on the other side when we got doing well,

eventually when we got to england, we've got about about 45 seconds for you to explain what happened when you landed in britain, mate. >> so do you think you can do that? go on. >> we landed high fives , nobody >> we landed high fives, nobody was there to meet us. unfortunately, two migrant boats had landed further down the coast and been, apprehended after about an hour of us packing up. we were actual migrants. we would have liked it. we made it. nobody caught us. but of course, we had to pack all our kit up and be and meet our friend. whilst we were doing that, it took about an houn doing that, it took about an hour. of course, the public spotted two guys washing up at daybreak on the beach, rang the police national crime agency turned up and the cuffs came out. >> and i think you managed to you managed to reassure them that you were not, in fact, illegal migrants. >> yeah. apart from gary, of course, the blow up doll , which course, the blow up doll, which they didn't find amusing because we had pulled their pants down. we'd embarrassed them. we'd got across the channel with zero preparation and planning , preparation and planning, limited resources as you could get just a boat and a small engine, no support , not even

engine, no support, not even a bearing. and we'd embarrassed them. and they could. you could tell because we they they arrested us, banged us up for 14 hours. they had all the videos on my phone, which you've just seen, which were clearly us messing about on the channel. not actually trafficking people, but we'd embarrassed them. so it was a case of we yeah, we locked up houses, got raided while we were locked up and. >> yeah, right. well, well, well , >> yeah, right. well, well, well, lee, look, can i just say a massive thank you? great to have you on the show. thank you for letting us do this tv exclusive with you. and i do hope to talk to you again very, very soon. that's lee west there. make sure you check him out online. look, i've got a big final hour coming your way, including, the unions now in charge of starmer's britain . britain. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news . on gb news. >> evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the

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gb news. >> it's 10 pm. on patrick christys tonight. >> the people behind me haven't had a pay rise for five years. half a decade. regardless of what you earn , you feel that you what you earn, you feel that you have a right to demand a pay rise. >> train drivers will strike every weekend despite labour's massive pay rise . massive pay rise. >> we're not having it. we're going to keep this fight up and we'll keep going until we get an agreement that we can support . agreement that we can support. >> and now the rmt's mick lynch wants his staff to get the same pay wants his staff to get the same pay rise , and gp's threatened to pay rise, and gp's threatened to stop treating patients, so they're going to get more money and border force are going on strike as well. what on earth has keir starmer done already? >> also for me, the most important place that i sit in the world right now is as

mother. >> that's nice. i've got the latest from harry and meghan's ridiculous trip to columbia, plus . plus. >> fina sunny virk youngest son. >> fina sunny virk youngest son. >> it's good news for anyone who wants to visit north korea. i've got tomorrow's front pages with itv and bbc legend john sergeant, entrepreneur , joana sergeant, entrepreneur, joana jaflue sergeant, entrepreneur, joana jarjue and political commentator alex armstrong. and i'm going to tell you what's wrong with that, okay? get ready britain. here we go . go. the unions are in charge of keir starmer's britain next . starmer's britain next. >> patrick, thank you and good evening. the top stories irish police are investigating a potential terrorism motivation

in an attack on a chaplain at an army barracks in county galway. the victim was taken to hospital with serious injuries but they are not thought to be life threatening. a teenage boy was arrested by armed police during the incident last night. the victim has been named as chaplain paul murphy, who released a statement today thanking his friends for the support and assuring everyone that he's okay. in other news, victims of the infected blood scandal can receive support scheme payments for life under changes to a multi—billion pound compensation plan. meanwhile, those who were subjected to unethical research will get up to £15,000 extra. that's after the government accepted the majority of recommendations from an independent review into planned compensation for victims. more than 30,000 people who received nhs treatment between the 1970s and early 1990s were infected with contaminated blood . senior contaminated blood. senior tories have criticised the prime minister over pay, offers to train drivers and junior

doctors, with james cleverly claiming the government has been plagued by its union paymasters. train drivers on lner are to stage a series of strikes claiming a breakdown in industrial relations. hundreds of members of aslef will walk out every weekend for a total of 22 days. this dispute is separate from the long running dispute over pay, which is set to be resolved after a new offer this week from the government . this week from the government. but meanwhile, border force staff at london heathrow airport are striking for 23 days from the end of this month. the long running dispute about enforced changes to terms and conditions, including the introduction of inflexible rosters, began in april. the pcs union says around 160 staff have left the border force because of the lack of flexibility, whilst others have been forced to change their working hours and practices . been forced to change their working hours and practices. in other news, megan gallagher has resigned as scottish conservative deputy leader. it's amid concerns over the alleged conduct of outgoing party leader

douglas ross in relation to the general election. in a statement today on x, miss gallagher said she was deeply troubled by reports in the telegraph that current leader mr ross allegedly asked tory candidate kathleen robertson if he could replace her in july last year. he has denied those claims. mr ross said he accepts her resignation with regret , said he accepts her resignation with regret, and said he accepts her resignation with regret , and the said he accepts her resignation with regret, and the duke and duchess of sussex have spoken to school children in spanish as their four day tour of colombia continues. harry and meghan took part in an art session and also planted trees during a visit to a school in the capital, bogota. their arrival was celebrated with performances from students who wore traditional colombian dress and performed cumbia songs with live percussion. earlier, prince harry appeared to subtly weigh in on the recent riots in the uk, which were partly sparked by online misinformation. he said what happens online within a matter of minutes, transfers to the streets and people are acting on information that isn't true . and

information that isn't true. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to gbnews.com the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> keir starmer lives in number 10, but it's the unions now running the country. train drivers got a 15% pay rise. they're up to £70,000 a year now. labour were delighted became transport secretary. >> i said we'd move fast and fix things and that's exactly what we're doing. i'm delighted that we're doing. i'm delighted that we have put forward a three year pay we have put forward a three year pay deal so that drivers across our railways can vote on it, and hopefully bring an end to over two years of damaging strikes. >> okay, so here's what their deal includes. drivers get to restart their lunch break. if

their manager says hello to them dunng their manager says hello to them during it, they can choose whether or not to work on sundays and they get overtime. if they do, they can take time off for a medical check. if they use a microwave at the office, it's okay for up to nine workers to try to change a single plug socket. they refused to use an ipad to check timetables because that's not their usual work practice. they get extra break time to cover the time it takes them to walk to and from their canteen back to where they're working. okay then literally this morning, train drivers will strike every single weekend until november. brilliant. i mean, you couldn't make it up, could you? now the rmt's mick lynch has looked at what the train drivers have got, and he's now demanding that his union members get the same pay rise. well, of course he is. border force have seen what's going on. they've said they'll strike at heathrow on the last week of the summer holidays. gps are the next in line. they want an 11% funding rise for their practices. they literally threatened to stop referring

patients to hospital specialists. yeah, they're holding people's lives to ransom. and that apparently works under labour, doesn't it? teachers and some other nhs staff are set for an above inflation, 5.5% pay rise. will they settle for that now that they've seen what everyone else is getting? i don't think so. junior doctors, they've got a 22% pay rise. they're still planning to strike again next yeah planning to strike again next year. okay the civil service now wants a pay rise. so do nurses and labour will have to cave in to them all now, won't they? this will cost the taxpayer billions of pounds with no guarantee of any better services whatsoever. all cost, no reward . whatsoever. all cost, no reward. we are. what is it? five six weeks into the labour government and the unions are already in control. let's get the thoughts of my panel. we've got former bbc and itv chief political correspondent john sergeant, entrepreneur joana jarjue and of course as well we have the broadcaster , political

broadcaster, political commentator alex armstrong. john i mean, it's what happens, isn't it, when he cave into the unions as he made a massive mistake here, do you think? >> well, it's a danger. and of course, you've got clearly the unions not realising the extent to which they're meant to be part of the government. and that's that whole relationship has changed a lot. the other thing which has changed is that people now have got into a sort of a mood of forever strikes where you don't. in the past, people would go on strike. they'd they'd leave the offices one out, all out , and that would one out, all out, and that would happen. and there'd be a very bitter struggle, but it would be over quite soon because the people on strike couldn't be out for that long. and the management couldn't stand it for that long. so an agreement was reached. but now it's, oh, we'll start this autumn. we'll go on next year and we'll go on the year after. so the punishing effects of that on the public, which is really to say don't trust the railways, don't travel on the railways . that's on the railways. that's incredibly damaging. >> we've just seen. alex, i'll come to you on this. >> we've just seen. alex, i'll come to you on this . the level come to you on this. the level of pay rises that we've had so far for junior doctors who have

immediately taken that and said that they're planning to walk out next april. the train drivers again, we've just seen it, obviously, mick lynch, which he's perfectly entitled to do by the way, is looking at it now and saying, we'll have that kind of money. as starmer dropped a massive clanger here early doors. yeah, well they've got 999 doors. yeah, well they've got egg on their face haven't they. >> i mean this is the reason why the tories didn't give in to the unions after all of their demands, is because they knew once they did, for one, they got to do it for everybody else. and this is the problem, isn't it? is that now we're going to have another winter or possibly five years of discontent on the streets. if it's not going to be doctors next it will be people collecting the rubbish and everything else, and it's just going to get worse. and worse and worse. and we've got some really abhorrent comments here from mike whelan and some of the union bosses. he called the managers scabs at inaya. and you just think these people have got great deals. they're working on four days a week. they're getting paid 70 grand, almost 70 grand a year, 69 grand a year. they're getting backdated pay of what they've missed out on in the last few years. go back to work. these people are not

working class . they're work shy. working class. they're work shy. and i get it. the unions have a duty to picket because otherwise why do they exist? but at the same time, the real working class people want to get back to work. they want their trains to run on time, and they want their doctor surgeries to be open. labour said they're going to solve the problem. it looks like they're making it worse. >> labour now have to cave in to everyone else. don't they? >> i mean, it's difficult and it's hard for me to kind of disagree in that sense because it does create a domino effect . it does create a domino effect. and but the problem is that, you know, for the train drivers, i actually think that they've got the wrong approach with this because realistically, they've got the closest thing to a deal than they would have ever got with the tories. and the risk now of being in a position where the public actually turns against them. i think the public generally are quite supportive of, you know, public sector or doctors or nurses or whoever, whether you work for the council, striking especially, you know, if you've had below inflation and pay rises over the years, but at the same time, i do think it's a bit ridiculous that when we have these conversations about strikes, we all kick off because obviously we all feel it. you know, like as the public, it affects us

whether we're getting on a train or going to the doctors. but then there's other things that have happened over the last couple of years, like, you know, the bankers bonus cap being lifted for example, by the tories. why do we not kick off when the people who actually make the most money? and i'm not saying that, you know, train drivers make pittance, but at the same time there's other people who are absolutely, you know, making a killing and we don't kick off as much about it. >> john, i think one of the big concerns now, and this, by the way, i think affects everyone. so this is teachers. whereas people working in the nhs, gp's, train drivers, etc. is when the pubuc train drivers, etc. is when the public see pay rises of this level, they are going to expect a much better service and there is nothing to indicate that that's going to happen, is there? >> i agree, i think the latest deal with aslef this idea, there will be no strings attached. i mean, what you need in the railways particularly is change. dramatic change. we all know in the end before too long there will be driverless trains, there will be driverless trains, there will be driverless trains, there will be a completely different way of travelling around the country. it will not involve

people saying, i'll take the day off and i'll stop this and i'll strike on that. they simply won't . now if strike on that. they simply won't. now if we don't, if we ignore that, i'm talking about tomorrow. i'm not talking about in a few weeks time. no i'm talking in a few years time. these will be the issues and the idea that the unions will stop it . they will not. there has to it. they will not. there has to be a fight and there has to be a fight over change. >> but we know it's not going to happen under the labour government or at least look likely to be in for the next ten years. what's super worrying about this is the labour government are planning to nationalise the railways. that means not only do these certain lines that are currently run by the government and have unions for them are going to be impacted, but that means the entire country is going to be at the will of unions when it comes. you could have an entire week where all the train drivers 90, week where all the train drivers go, we're not coming to work. so these minimum levels of service that the tory government try to try to get passed. look like, i guess i'm pretty sure labour will reverse all of those as well, because it's a very union friendly government and again, working class, real working class people are going to suffer. this net zero agenda is

going to put everyone back in cars again. and where does where do we end up? what's the end result? >> i mean, look, we are whatever it is now 5 or 6 weeks into a labour government and you know already it does seriously look as though the unions are back in charge. i kind of feel like they're cutting the nose to spite their face a little bit. >> you know, like i was saying before, why would you, when you're the closest to. especially even with the junior doctors, i don't understand why you're talking about striking now. we thought that we were kind of over the line when it came to certain things. and like i say, even with people like me who have been really supportive of them, and i believe in, you know, people exercising their right to, to strike, but then it's like, where does it stop? at the same time, we all know where the country is in terms of financial position. we all have to. we're all taking a hit at the end of the day. >> well, this is the other point, right? so rachel reeves keeps coming out and talking about an economic black hole. i think she's managed to get it up to £22 billion now. but when you add all of this up alongside some of the other stuff, i mean, £11.6 billion to help with the global climate crisis, right? we've got £84 million in foreign

aid. i know there's some scepticism about exactly where that money has come from, but my point being this, are they not creating the black hole themselves a bit now? >> well, there's i mean the problem is the real black hole at the moment is that we've borrowed too much. why? because of covid and all the rest of it. so that is undeniably a problem for government . you can't simply for government. you can't simply say, oh, we can borrow more , say, oh, we can borrow more, because if interest rates are as high as they are , still are, high as they are, still are, that's going to cost you money, which you could be spending on schools and hospitals and all the rest of it. everybody knows how much needs to be done in this country. everybody knows that we do need more money given to the health service. we do know the schools are a shambles and there's all this concrete problem and all the rest of it. this is going to cost money now. that's where the black hole is. we don't you can argue about it in terms of a technical black hole. there's a real one which we can all see who's going to pay we can all see who's going to pay for this stuff. >> you know, who is going to pay for all of this? >> well, you know who's going to pay >> well, you know who's going to pay for it, patrick. we are the taxpayer is going to pay for this. we're talking about a

labour government that has added 9 billion to this black hole. i don't know whether they factored in all these pay rises when rachel rachel reeves , initially rachel rachel reeves, initially announced her budget beforehand, which was supposed to have been fully costed if you remember that, which was total nonsense. all lies. and now the taxpayer is going to suffer dearly in multiple different ways. if we don't have income tax rises in the next four years, i will be really, really surprised. i'll put money on it, but my taxpayer money on it. >> yeah, the tax thresholds are frozen anyway. so our our tax is going to go up in real terms. that's already decided. well that's true. that's true. you know it's not a matter of i wonder if there'll be i wonder if taxes will go up. they're going up. yeah. well that's a good point, john. >> how damaging could this be, do you think for labour. because really i think the, the, the other side of giving people pay rises is that you could argue that. all right. well let's say we have no strikes for 4 or 5 years. then the public look at it and they think, well, actually, you know, this has got better. but you know, they are striking this week and train drivers again, junior doctors sound like making all the right

noises that they're going to go out and strike in april. how damaging could this be for labour where we see big public sector pay rises, taxes go up , sector pay rises, taxes go up, no increase in the quality of pubuc no increase in the quality of public services . what do you reckon? >> i think that labour need to do a massive job when it comes to their comms, because at the end of the day, if they really communicate to the public and people like me who, when you look into the detail of it, you're saying this is so much further than where you were at the beginning when you were negotiating with the tories. so they have to in some way, you know, they always try to communicate as if they're like on the side of the people, the pubuc on the side of the people, the public sector workers, which is great. but at some point, i'm sorry, you're going to have to turn against them and actually get the public on your side, because if you're a reasonable human being within the general public, of course you want them paid. but also everybody has a limit. so i think at some point they're just going to have to say we're going to use our comms against you and actually do what the tories were doing. >> the only thing we've not mentioned, it's obvious really, but the government say they're going to increase expenditure on defence. well, exactly. i mean, you know , exactly the list is you know, exactly the list is such a long one you don't the shopping list is massive isn't

it ? absolutely massive. we all it? absolutely massive. we all know that this is all going to cost money. the money wasn't there before. we say, oh yes, yes, 2.5%. we agree with that. we agree with that because of ukraine, because of the middle east and because we don't know what to do with our forces. so it's all going to be about drones. no it's not, it's going to be about tanks. no, no, it's going to be about this. we know that they're in absolute chaos really? >> well, they're lucky they've inherited the strongest economy inherited the strongest economy in the g7 at the moment. they're very, very lucky despite them trashing it. well there's a 20 billion black hole, but it's being actually made worse by the current government. the problem is we're heading back to james callaghan, to our times. and what thatcher had to do after this was crack down super hard on these unions. >> no, but like patrick made a really good point about, you know, the quality of the service. and i think people who have striked within these industries have been that have come off better, have been teachers when they've talked about a fully funded , if there's about a fully funded, if there's money for it, rather than saying, yeah, we want a pay rise , saying, yeah, we want a pay rise, but we want it to come out of the actual school budget because then obviously they can say, well, that's pretty selfish. we want a pay rise. it doesn't

matter if the school actually, you know, declines, whereas these lot are basically saying we want a pay rise willy nilly. it doesn't matter if services actually decline and there's less funding. >> and yeah, i mean, they've got the tails up haven't they. the unions, they've got every right to because they're starting to get some success. and for 14 years they must have felt as though they were banging their head against a bit of a brick wall. and there is an argument to say, i'm not sure whether or not many of our viewers and listeners would agree with this argument, but there is an argument, but there is an argument to say that the tories let it get to a point where now they felt as though they needed this whopping great big pay rise. there are other economic issues at play here that the quality of the public services was so bad and so stretched, and that we are where we are. you know, other people might think, well, has starmer made a massive mistake early doors here by giving any the way he has and what the heck is britain going to look like in a few years time? so thank you very much. great topic that no doubt will probably be some more stuff about this on the front pages, which will bring to you shortly. but coming up as a tribunal judge sides with a glasgow waitress over, quote, creepy treatment from her male boss is winking at a female employee. really? sexual harassment? my panel will tackle that. and all of tomorrow's newspapers very ,

of tomorrow's newspapers very, very soon. but next, harry and meghan. well, that's soap opera has rolled on into colombia . has rolled on into colombia. >> for me. the most important place that i sit in the world right now is as a mother or colombia. >> either or. and it hasn't taken long for them to get their usual soap box treatment. as with harry's comments about social media hitting the headlines. but does anybody really care about them being in colombia? what are the colombians think? i'm joined next by royal expert as well, so stay tuned for that. stay

welcome back to patrick christys tonight . now welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now harry and meghan have kicked off the second day of their big tour to colombia with a trip to a school in the country's capital, bogota reportedly joined by get this 14 security cars 14. it transpired earlier today that the reason harry and meghan have been ianed harry and meghan have been invited to colombia is actually because one of the only people on the planet who enjoyed their netflix winter thon is colombian vice president francia marquez. so i am not joking now. she watched netflix and thought , watched netflix and thought, i'll reach out to meghan and then meghan and harry have gone to colombia. as a result of that. i'm joined now by royal biographer ian lloyd. ian, thank you very much. i mean, that does seem like quite a pathetic reason to go to colombia, isn't it?

>> yeah, i love the quote that she said that, having watched netflix and francia marquez said, this is a woman who deserves to come to our country. so let me read into that. what you can, but yeah, it's, it's you can, but yeah, it's, it's you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours , isn't it? i mean, scratch yours, isn't it? i mean, she's getting a lot of publicity from it, and she's hanging onto them like a leech. she was there today at the school and. and yesterday, of course , like that. yesterday, of course, like that. and they themselves are getting a bit obviously a great bit of coverage for their, for themselves. so it's interesting that they're not. >> can i just ask just on that, you know, are they getting great coverage? i mean, there was some footage earlier on, you know, that i'm hoping might be able to show you at some point, but it's of, you know, harry, you know, digging a hole, obviously , digging a hole, obviously, whenever you go to a country that's less economically developed than either america or britain, what you have to do is take a shovel with you so that then you can dig a hole in the ground and be photographed

digging a hole in the ground, so you can either turn that hole into a well or plant a tree in it. and harry decided to plant a tree in it, didn't he? and so is this actually doing them any good? what's the point ? good? what's the point? >> well, that's that's the problem because i think when royalty royalty go to a country , royalty royalty go to a country, there has to be a reason and there has to be a reason and there isn't a reason here. i mean, charles and camilla were in colombia in 2014 and the aim was to boost a bilateral relations between the two countries and usually that's in terms of trade. so that's quite often why the foreign secretary travels with them. and it's organised by the embassy. so there's lots of organisation behind it. but this is more of a jolly and it's quite short term. and what bothers me is after they've gone, what the repercussions on that country. because before coming on air, i had a look at statistics. statistics. and it said that 42.5% of the population of colombia live below the poverty line. and when they were in nigeria in may, 87 million

nigerians lived below the poverty line. and these are the people that will be paying for this kind of visit through, you know , through, well, massive, know, through, well, massive, massive, massive amounts of for money them. >> this is a great point. and you know, and yet and yet as far as i can tell, what harry and meghan have decided to do. so far is whinge about social media. so you are going to sum unbelievably impoverished areas where you might be in some way able to make a real difference. there he is at a school. there they are holding hands. great photo opportunity. i think we see the shovel come out in a minute, don't we? there it is. look, there he goes. yeah, let's plant a tree or dig a well, one or the other. he's gone for the tree, you know. and so we're seeing all of this and they've chosen to moan to those children about the abuse. they've suffered on social media. i mean, that just to me seem seems to be, well, a little bit odd . to be, well, a little bit odd. >> well, i think it's looking for a sort of cause, i mean, they haven't got much else really. i mean, on monday there's the democratic national

conference in chicago and a lot of leading democrats supporters like michelle obama are supposedly heading there, as well as celebrities like beyonce and there was a time when we all thought that meghan had aspirations to be, you know, a democrat senator or something like that, but they don't get ianed like that, but they don't get invited to anything like that. and i read a report that today in, in online that there's the editor of harper's has said that, their influence or meghan's influence on voters is, is negligible and that they're selling powers at rock bottom . selling powers at rock bottom. so they haven't really got much else. they've not really got any great causes to to, promote. so i think they're doing this to, to grab what they can really well. >> and, you know, it'll be amazing won't it, if after all of this, they manage to find a way of falling out with the vice president of, of colombia, who i will just reiterate again, given that we are hearing from harry that we are hearing from harry that he wouldn't bring meghan markle back to this country because of how unsafe it was, i will i will stress again, they've had to have we believe, 15 cars over there full of

security. and we had a reporter on earlier who was in colombia who was saying that he was told by people at that school when he was trying to make his way home to be very careful because all of his stuff might get nicked. and that vice president has to travel everywhere by blackhawk helicopter because she received a string of bomb threats. so thatis a string of bomb threats. so that is the level of safety that harry appears to be comfortable with. is there not a concern for harry and meghan here that if they've decided to ally themselves with that particular regime in colombia, that particular vice president, the president as well , that if president as well, that if massive scandal or massive social unrest comes out about that government , that they are that government, that they are now associated with it, i.e. they've decided to do the pr for what could be considered quite a despotic and corrupt regime. >> yeah, this is the danger of former royals. i mean, we had it actually with diana, with harry's mother, because she was, the landmine crusade, which obviously now we look back and think it was a great thing. but at the time she was criticised

by the government, for being a loose cannon because our government and america hadn't sorted out the problem of landmines, so they needed to have a lot of negotiation. and she rather sort of pre—empted that. she jumped in, you know, that. she jumped in, you know, that was kind of a good thing. but at the same time, it's a dangen but at the same time, it's a danger. you know, because, and the most famous example is the duke of windsor, who abdicated as edward the eighth. two years later, he and the duchess of windsor were meeting adolf hitler in berlin, on the onset just before the second world war, trying in their own misguided way to sort of help the situation . but like you say, the situation. but like you say, it could have horrendous repercussions if anything does go wrong, you know. so you're right . if there was a, you know, right. if there was a, you know, if suddenly it was a massive scandal, you know, broke out, then obviously they're, you know, they're part of it. >> yeah. i must say, i just find i just find the whole thing very odd.so i just find the whole thing very odd. so they're not royals. they're not. they're not really holding any kind of diplomatic

sway whatsoever because the countries that they're linked to, le. america and britain, don't appear to actually like them. that much. they're not going and donating as far as they're aware, millions of pounds to colombia. it just seems like a really kind of bizarre holiday, as far as i can tell. and i'm not quite sure how well that turns out. for do we know much about what else they've got planned? i mean, i heard some some rumblings of them going to some kind of afro—colombian music festival. i think there's a there's a food festival involved as well . festival involved as well. >> is that tomorrow they're going to a place called cartagena, which was a town founded by escaped african slaves in the 17th century. so there's african heritage in colombia there, and they're going to celebrate that or commemorate that. and then on sunday, as you said, there's a music festival at a place called cali, which, curiously enough, actually, sophie edinburgh, the duchess of edinburgh, was there last november. she was in cali for a similar festival, but hers was in conjunction with the

british embassy over there. and again, that's that's what you need an official sort of link with these things. you can't just turn up, you know, i mean, the king's at balmoral, but he can't say where should we go next year or we haven't been to uganda for a while. it doesn't work that way. you have to have the organisation, the reasons behind it. >> yeah. let's go to uganda. make sure you bring the shovel. you've got to bring the shovel. look. thank you very much, ian. great to have you on the show, mate. all the best. i'll chat to you soon. royal biographer ian lloyd wright coming up. coming up, coming up. there's an exciting new destination for your next summer holiday. flights are already selling out and finland sunny virk rhiannon jones seishiro tsuno. yes, north korea is now open to tourists. i will ask my panel if they fancy a trip to pyongyang. that and all of newspaper front pages and it's

next. welcome back to patrick christys

tonight, and it's time to bring you the very first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages. let's do it . all right, pages. let's do it. all right, i'm going to kick us off with the i gg tell labour no end to 8 am. appointments, turmoil a.m. appointments, turmoil without extra funding. there we go. we've spoken about it already. the gps are on the march. let's go to the independent. more rail strikes despite drivers bumper pay deal. less than 48 hours after ministers agree wage rises. can i just point out just the picture story on the front of the independent? excuse me. it's time is now for peace deal, says david lammy. okay, so we have sent david lammy out to the middle east to try to stop all out war. all right, middle east to try to stop all out war. all right , let's go to out war. all right, let's go to the times . strike out war. all right, let's go to the times. strike pain for travellers despite big wage rises. they've got a theme here on the front page of the telegraph. now, this is an interesting story , i think interesting story, i think because there are ongoing active cases. still, as far as i'm aware, involving lucy letby. we

will not dwell on this tonight with my panel, but it is an interesting story . we made interesting story. we made mistakes over lucy letby admits the cps. the story is vital evidence that showed which nurses could have been on the ward was incorrect. i'll just delve into this very slightly . delve into this very slightly. so a retrial earlier this year found her guilty of the attempted murder of another child during the retrial, the prosecutor told the court that the door swipe data, which showed which nurses and doctors were entering and exiting the intensive care ward, had been misleading . and now the crown misleading. and now the crown prosecution service appears to have confirmed that. i don't know what that means. going forward. but there's another story at the bottom of the telegraph here hamas plot to dig up war graves of british soldiers. so we will dwell on that in a second. let's go to the daily mail, though. has labour lost control of the unions already as train drivers announced new strikes? yeah let's finish off with the guardian. why? because somebody has to. and home office unit to kerb teenage violent crime. so they're saying that teenagers have it much , much harder than

have it much, much harder than previous generations because of knives , mental health pressures knives, mental health pressures and social media. that's to according yvette cooper. and that we're going to try to do more. yeah, i tell you what's that'll stop the riots. a few more youth clubs. well done yvette. so let's, bring my panel into the fray here now. and i want to roll two stories into one. so there's the story on the front of the independent, which is david lammy at the time, is now for peace in the middle east. right. and he's gone to visit israel. so that's our foreign secretary there, giving it the big. and in israel, there's another story here in there's another story here in the telegraph revealed hamas plot to dig up war graves of british veterans. so hamas plotted to dig up the remains of british and commonwealth troops buned british and commonwealth troops buried in gaza and blackmail the government over their return. that's according to documents that have just been released. so we now have probably the most palestine sympathetic government. well, definitely that we've had for at least 14 years. and talking about, you know, we will we will arrest benjamin netanyahu if he ever steps foot in britain, we will not arm israel anymore. there must be a ceasefire. and

simultaneously, we have a hamas plot to dig up the graves of british war veterans. i mean, jonathan, do you trust that david lammy is the man to solve this crisis? >> no, he's certainly not one of the problems throughout the whole of this dreadful crisis in the middle east is that our power is extremely limited , and power is extremely limited, and people have argued about it as if it's a sort of almost a british domestic issue. there's the government, there are people opposing it, if you like, saying, but hold on, this isn't realistic at all. it's not. it's not going to affect people in the middle east one way or the other. so the idea that david lammy is somehow sorting things out in the middle east is, of course, a joke. >> well, joanna, you know, now the palestinian people have an incredibly simple , pathetic incredibly simple, pathetic labour government here. they could not really i don't think , could not really i don't think, asked for that much more than what they've got. i mean, if he's over there and they still decide not to listen to him and they still decide to launch attacks and not engage in a peace deal and everything, why bother? >> well, i think that he's actually got the right approach , actually got the right approach, because as much as we don't have that much influence in terms of

what the outcome will be between israel and palestine, i think opfics israel and palestine, i think optics are everything right. i don't think that it's good for to us almost look like we're guilty by association. and obviously we've got our allies and israel is one of our allies, but we don't want to look like we're in a position where we're funding further genocide, which is a lot of the things that people do shout out in the protest to say you're funding genocide, you know , you're genocide, you know, you're selling weapons and stuff like that to israel. so i think that this is actually a way to kind of counteract that . and we also of counteract that. and we also have to also separate, obviously, hamas and palestine. so obviously when he's there, people will obviously say, oh, he's they're almost like supporting hamas. of course he's not. he's looking for peace because bombs are still raining down on really innocent people. so that's what he's there to kind of promote and advocate for an actual, ceasefire that's actually sustainable. >> but with a group of people who plotted to dig up the remains of british and commonwealth troops for more than a century, the commonwealth war graves commission, which is chaired by the uk defence secretary, supported by the crown, has maintained a cemetery in central gaza. the 3000 troops

there, apparently now many of there, apparently now many of the soldiers buried there , died the soldiers buried there, died fighting the ottomans. all right. the plot was by hamas, was to exhume the remains of these soldiers, hold them prisoner in some, presumably some kind of morbid hostage video and then, yeah, blackmail us with it. i mean, these are the people that david lammy, you know, thinks that he can go and have conversations with is just disgraceful, isn't it , really? disgraceful, isn't it, really? >> and again, we forget who our allies are and the people that are on our side. and you know , are on our side. and you know, israel has been very much a strong ally of the united kingdom forever, and we should be there for the same to them. i'm not saying that all the things israel have done are great. i think there's a lot of things they should have done better. and i do think maybe the war has gone on for too long. but sending out david lammy is not going to solve the problem. let's just be clear about that. the man is utterly useless. i mean, we're talking what you did say about the optics as well, joanna, and the optics are the reality is, you know, even jeremy corbyn pointed this out and i'm not pro this, by the way, but to point out the hypocrisy here, labour are still happy to fund weapons to israel, but they want to go and have

this rhetoric while they're in palestine. so we want a peace deal palestine. so we want a peace deal, but we'll give you weapons. it doesn't match up to me. so the labour party again , me. so the labour party again, no democracy. >> they want their cake and also eat it . but also, >> they want their cake and also eat it. but also, you >> they want their cake and also eat it . but also, you know, they eat it. but also, you know, they have to be really careful when it comes to this because have we not learned any lessons when it comes to following our allies into war and almost being guilty by association? we obviously know what happened with iraq and afghanistan. so we have to be very careful when it comes to this . this. >> and, john, just quickly on this because you've you've seen a lot of , you know, foreign a lot of, you know, foreign secretaries come and go , right? secretaries come and go, right? where does david lammy rank as far as you're concerned ? far as you're concerned? >> well, i mean, we'll have to see. i mean, who knows , he might see. i mean, who knows, he might surprise us all, but up to this point , i surprise us all, but up to this point, i can't say i thrill at the excitement. i would have think i'd really like a chat with him about all this. i'm sure he could. he'd be very interesting to talk to. i have to say . i don't interesting to talk to. i have to say. i don't think so. >> okay, now we've just about got time for this story in this particular section, which , by particular section, which, by the way, i think is a fantastic story. i think everyone at home

or listening on the radio will have a view on this. so a waitress in glasgow has been awarded a £41,000 payout over, quote, creepy treatment from her restaurant boss. now a tribunal judge ruled that he subjected her to a campaign of harassment, including repeatedly winking at her when she walked past. okay so look, i mean, i often get called a massive winker online, but very good, you know , people but very good, you know, people queue up. someone shouted it at me in the street. well, christie's you winker and but you know i will come to you first on this. johanna i mean is winking at a female employee worthy of a £41,000 payout. do you think? >> no. so if someone winked at me at work and was just like, oh, you are right. and like, people say it as wink as they're saying something as if like, it's like another way of almost like a thumbs up. i think it's different if it's the energy, isn't it? and also, it's a it was specified as a campaign of harassment. so if you're winking and you're like really like furiously, you know, like , yeah, furiously, you know, like, yeah, that's where stop it. oh how are you doing? how was your weekend

like little wink and whatever. that's like friendly . but that's like friendly. but clearly there was something very creepy about this guy. and enough backed it up for her to get a 40 grand payout. yeah it's the words used, but it's the words it's wrong. >> that tribunal shouldn't say this. that winking as if it's laying down a general principle. everything depends on. everybody knows what creepy means . knows what creepy means. everybody knows what everybody knows how people can be. i mean , knows how people can be. i mean, did anyone see that wink? that was a deliberate wink. >> i do it without realising it, and i do wink, you know. yeah, i'm a bit of that drink that in everyone at home. i can do with the other eye as well. oh, look at that. harassment. yeah. >> harassment. both hands. >> harassment. both hands. >> i've now bankrupted gb news. ihave >> i've now bankrupted gb news. i have to pay everyone 41. i mean, do you think this is. do you think we're a bit. we're a bit soft here. do you think? >> yeah. it's total nonsense, isn't it, patrick? we all love a wink. every now and then everyone has a wink here and there and. no, look, i'm going to stop because i'm going to get a lot of trouble in a minute. but no, it's total nonsense.

it's just more woke rubbish. but look, maybe this this particular case, there was more going on than meets the eye. maybe the headuneis than meets the eye. maybe the headline is a bit misleading. it's quite possible. but generally speaking , if we're generally speaking, if we're going to start taking people to court over a wink , we should all court over a wink, we should all be in trouble. absolutely. we all have a wink. >> all right, good stuff. there might be some people winking at home right now coming up as train drivers announced that they will strike every single weekend for the next three months, despite being offered a bumper pay deal yesterday . who bumper pay deal yesterday. who really runs the country? starmer or the unions that will crop up when i do my greatest britain union jackass, i think, and i will have some more of tomorrow's newspaper front pages for you. don't go anywhere

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight. let's round off the front pages for you. so we start with the daily mirror. they're going with owls match of the day agony shearer. it will

be very tough knowing he's not watching first show of the season since his match of the days. alan shearer saying he'll be thinking about his beloved late dad on tonight's show. this is tomorrow though, obviously, because it's tomorrow's front pages, as he deals with with the grief so unfortunately, his father passed away at the age of 80, in may. let's go to the daily express . life or death. daily express. life or death. tragic reality of scrapping winter fuel payments. now that thatis winter fuel payments. now that that is a story that disproportionately, well, entirely actually affects pensioners, and you have to compare that, i think, with all of the other front pages, which are all about strikes , which are are all about strikes, which are about pay rises for the unions and pay rises for this, that and the other that that is an interesting dynamic that we have going on in the country at the moment, one of which in which john sergeant is desperate to talk about. no, but it's just a daily express campaign. >> i mean, so it's not just them sitting there thinking, oh, i think we'll that's an interesting story. no, it's an old story. but they've decided to campaign on it because they think it i don't know, their readers will like it, and i'm sure lots of them will be very

sympathetic to it. >> of course. well keir starmer famously stood up in the house of commons and was attacking rishi sunak on the threatening to drop the winter fuel payments. and now he's the one who's gone and done it at massive cost to him, by the way, personally. >> well, look, yeah, i mean, we mentioned we mentioned optics don't we. and if the narrative is allowed to spread and if that narrative has any truth to it as well, that you know, the elderly are going to be paying so that other people, you know, can get a pay other people, you know, can get a pay rise, and that could be quite damaging. but i wasn't planning on dwelling on that, i must say, because i do want to talk about this now. if you want to avoid the anti—tory protests that are popping up in places like barcelona , magaluf, well, like barcelona, magaluf, well, you're in luck because north korea is set to reopen its doors, get to in tourists after four years of lockdown. who wants to sit on the beach sipping cocktails when you can pay sipping cocktails when you can pay tribute to the supreme leader? and i'll be honest with you, everyone , now i am you, everyone, now i am desperate to go to north korea. yeah, i'm desperate to go. i want to see the show. i want to see. i want to be lied to from start to finish. i want to go there and be like, oh yes, food

is plentiful, isn't it? and oh yeah, this hotel is bustling, even though i'm the only person on floor 40 and i'm desperate to go. you're a no. are you? >> or, i would go if they've got a good skincare stuff for south korea . because south korea. no. korea. because south korea. no. like i'm serious. like korean skincare is top tier. if nobody knows, get it ? go on the tiktok knows, get it? go on the tiktok videos and stuff. but if they like implement that , that could like implement that, that could be like a tourist attraction for me. i would go based on that. if they had like world leading skincare. >> alex, would you be going to nonh >> alex, would you be going to north korea anytime soon? >> listen, you don't need to go to north korea. it's a come to us in the united kingdom. six weeks ago, we became a vassal state of north korea. just take yourself down to bournemouth and yourself down to bournemouth and you can have just as good a time. >> that is that is kim jong un. >> that is that is kim jong un. >> now keir starmer, who on earth would want to go? do you think he's going on some sort of like rehabilitation campaign? >> because i saw something on social media about him going and visiting. i think it was flood victims or something like that. so i think he's trying to rehabilitate the country's image to an extent. i mean, they might realise that it's a really good source of i mean, i think by the

way, just to temper everybody's expectations is they're not just letting you wander into north korea. >> you have to go through quite a serious visa process. you are also met literally, you know, on the tarmac by guides. i think they take the phones. your phones off you, you know, it is, you know, but if they can control it like that and people are willing to go , which i think are willing to go, which i think they are, then you could make money out of it. >> well, yeah, they might make a bit of money out of it. but honestly, they've got to work so hard pretending people are happy and pretending that people there's crops in the fields and all the rest of it, you get these false buildings being put up. i mean, it is an awful sweat for them. >> stop it. you're giving keir starmer even vaguely some good ideas, john. that's some great ideas, john. that's some great ideas for our current government. there we go, people aren't starving. people aren't freezing this winter, patrick. they're happy. yeah. >> i can think of nicer places to go. >> yeah, i'd love to go. and you know , there is serious talk know, there is serious talk about whether or not gb news could set a record right ? could set a record right? because if i did manage to go and do a broadcast from north korea, which, by the way, would

be the world's most pointless broadcast, because i'd have to say everything's great here. this is brilliant. nobody's hungry at all. there's no human. i haven't seen a single human rights abuse the whole time. i've been here. but we would, i think, be the first tv channel in history to do a live broadcast from north korea. >> i think that's a challenge. >> i think that's a challenge. >> if you went, we'd have to go. >> if you went, we'd have to go. >> if you went, we'd have to go. >> i wouldn't do it on a friday. >> i wouldn't do it on a friday. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so no, let's reveal today's greatest prisoner union. jackass so, john, you're going to kick us off. please, my good man, with your greatest britain. >> well, greatest britain is ian russell. you may not know the name, but in fact , we all got to name, but in fact, we all got to know molly russell, the sad girl of 14 who committed suicide seven years ago. her father mounted a campaign to make sure that people wouldn't do what she did, which was to read on the social media. 2000 over 2000 different versions of what do you do in suicide and all the rest of it. so it's 14 year old girl was following the whole argument about how do you commit suicide? he's got this campaign and a charity to say, these

should be removed. these posts should be removed. these posts should be removed. now in theory, the internet bosses are saying, oh yes , no, we agree saying, oh yes, no, we agree with that. we agree with that. but apparently these things are still widely available, still going on, and it should just stop. >> okay, go on then. >> okay, go on then. >> and can i just say that meghan and harry should also be applauded because they're doing work towards that as well for social media. okay. >> well well done. >> well well done. >> yes. so my i don't want them working with me. team gb medics who actually saved the uzbekistan boxing coach's life at the olympics. so i think he went into cardiac arrest, but they basically stepped in and saved his life. so nice kind of heroic story. and i think good stuff is okay. >> all right. well done okay. >> all right. well done okay. >> yeah. yeah. mine mine's an unexpected one. it's taylor swift. i'm not a swiftie, but maybe i am now. she she very well. obviously the victims of the southport killings were unfortunately big taylor swift fans. and she has gone and give the families a call, which i think is a wonderful thing to do. and i hear there may be some festivities that she might take part in, perhaps in the future to, to help mark.

>> that's right. mark their memories. that's right. okay. right. well, all of those were fantastic choices. yet again, i think i have gone for today's greatest britain. i have being taylor swift because i just thought it was a nice touch for her to go and reach out to. >> yeah. and i and i mentioned it when she was last here. so you didn't win. john i chose her then as our great britain, i think. honour. yeah >> okay. >> okay. >> john said i was a swiftie. i admitted it and where have we got now? weeks later, you lot are finally. you'll be on the next record. >> john. >> john. >> don't worry where you lead, john. others follow. so. all right, who's your union? jackass? >> please write my union jackass. you weren't this. it surprises me. one of the people i've admired most on television for many years, monty , don the gardener. >> have you gone off to monty? don?i >> have you gone off to monty? don? i know, but he's suddenly given this weird interview saying that he grows too much vegetables. >> he does it because they look good on television, and that a quarter of them he puts into compost. okay. all right . so why compost. okay. all right. so why not give them to a food bank? >> give them to a food bank. >> give them to a food bank. >> so more on this on the show. >> so more on this on the show. >> so more on this on the show. >> so yeah, mines the us

government for approving a $20 billion in $20 billion in weapons sales to israel, including fighter jets and missiles. it'sjust including fighter jets and missiles. it's just ridiculous at this point. all right. >> and mine of course is aslef for all the reasons we've mentioned already. no, no, no comment needed. >> all right . well well, well, >> all right. well well, well, yes. again, thank you very much everybody. for those wonderful choices. i've gone for aslef and in fact, actually so of all of the front pages and i think with good reason, because yes , it's good reason, because yes, it's not just them, to be honest with you. they're all at it. they all want to strike. can i just say thank you? thank you, thank you very much. i've thoroughly enjoyed tonight. i thank you at home. if you're listening on the radio, in your car or whatever, for taking time out of your friday evening to watch this show, it really does mean a lot. and i would also like to thank everybody who makes this show possible. headliners. up next, i'll see you wonderful people on monday . monday. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on .

solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. the weekend is upon us and for most of us it's going to be a fine weekend dry for the vast majority, with some sunny spells and temperatures about the average for the middle of august 1st. weather fronts that cleared away last night, 1st. weather fronts that cleared away last night , still 1st. weather fronts that cleared away last night, still lingering close across northern france. and another one is approaching the northwest. so here. yes, it isn't going to be sunny all weekend. there will be certainly overnight. plenty of showers and a fairly gusty wind actually across the far north of scotland. further south, most places with clear skies, lighter winds that will allow it to turn quite a bit cooler, quite a bit more comfortable compared to recent warm and humid nights . it recent warm and humid nights. it does make for a fresh start, but generally a sunny start in the south. there'll be some sunshine across northeastern parts of scotland, but further west and further north there will be quite a lot of cloud, a few showers moving through and a fairly gusty wind, so just be prepared for that. if you're going into the mountains of scotland tomorrow. well, quite a significant wind chill. a

coolish start too for northern ireland. some cloud the odd shower possible over northwest england, but they shouldn't last too long for the majority across england and wales. it's a fine, bright, sunny start and many places will hang on to sunny spells throughout the day. yes, some cloud will bubble up . it's some cloud will bubble up. it's not going to be one of those crystal clear blue sky days , but crystal clear blue sky days, but some sunny spells throughout. still a few scattered showers over the far north of england at times across scotland, but they should be fairly light. they should be fairly light. they should tend to zip through 1 or 2 of them, maybe in northern ireland, but most of the day certainly dry and across the south, dry and fine in the sunshine. 2320 for most places in

gb news. >> good evening. the top stories from the gb newsroom. irish police are investigating a potential terrorist link to an attack on an army chaplain at a barracks in galway, who was stabbed multiple times. he was taken to hospital with serious injuries which are not thought to be life threatening. a teen aged boy was arrested by armed police during the incident last night. the victim has been named as chaplain paul murphy, who released a statement thanking his friends for the support and assuring everyone that he'll be okay. in other news, victims of the infected blood scandal can receive support scheme payments for life under changes to a multi—billion pound compensation plan. meanwhile those who were subjected to unethical research will get up to £15,000 extra.

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