gb news. >> good afternoon. hello and welcome to gb news. where live on tv , online and on digital on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. it's 3:00, and for the next few hours, me and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course is yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me for the next few hours is former labour defence minister ivor kaplan and also political commentator lee harris. coming up in the next few hours, police forces across the uk are expected to be on standby again this weekend amid reported protests across the uk. so how safe do you feel on the streets .7 and, as the police say, streets? and, as the police say, they will continue their zero tolerance for knife crime following a fatal stabbing in luton? is it time the thugs give

up their weapons? then in the pulse uk doctors are on high alert over a deadly spread of mpox. but before we get stuck into that, let's get your latest news headlines . news headlines. >> good afternoon. it's 3:00. >> good afternoon. it's 3:00. >> i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . newsroom. >> your top story this hour. 125 firefighters are battling a blaze at london's iconic somerset house. smoke was spotted billowing from the roof of the historic building on the strand just before midday. 15 fire engines have now been sent to the scene. crews have confirmed they are tackling a fire located in part of the building's roof. the cause of the fire is still unknown, though somerset house, now an arts venue, had been set to host arts venue, had been set to host a breakdancing event this afternoon . in scotland, a member afternoon. in scotland, a member of the snp has been kicked out of the snp has been kicked out of the snp has been kicked out of the party for comments about the israel—hamas war, described as utterly abhorrent. john mason

has been accused of flippantly dismissing the deaths of more than 40,000 palestinians. party officials will now meet to discuss a fixed time period of suspension. greater manchester police have launched a murder investigation after a man who became trapped in a burning building died in hospital. officers were called to a fire on dumbarton green in wigan early on wednesday morning. it's being treated as a suspected arson attack. in other news, it's reported the former newsreader, huw edwards is now accused of sexually assaulting a 27 year old man in a west end club after sending explicit text messages. this follows earlier revelations that the 62 year old admitted receiving child sex images and videos. the alleged victim claims edwards, who continued despite being asked to stop, was brazenly aggressive and got off on the risk of getting caught. it's also alleged in the daily mail and the sun newspaper. the former

bbc star threatened to kill anyone who looked at the man, whom he described as his possession . police across the possession. police across the country are on high alert today as protests and counter—protests take place nationwide. it follows the arrest of 460 people, so far linked to violent disorder, earlier this month, with hundreds now facing court. tensions are expected to be high in birmingham, with the group stand up to racism also taking to the streets. meanwhile, our reporter ray addison has been speaking to protesters in dover calling me a racist and they're calling me a racist and they're calling me a fascist and a nazi. >> i'm just british in my country, holding my union jack, looking out for my children and grandchildren whom i've got, three of whom i love. >> my country and i want our future, you know, our kids to have something to, you know, have something to, you know, have something, you know , when have something, you know, when they when they grow up, you know. i don't want them to inherit something that's, you know, it'll be dangerous for them in the future. they'll have

no no facilities to use. you know, they don't get a doctor's appointment. >> i've come down here just really. so i can actually see what the reaction is there must be 50 police here now protecting four of us. it's. because they want to attack us, and yet we're the ones that are being called the ones that are being called the aggressors. we're the ones that are being called the fascists and the racists. >> in ireland, a teenage boy has now been charged over a stabbing outside renmore barracks. army chaplain father paul murphy posted on social media to say he was doing okay after receiving treatment for serious, but non—life threatening injuries. the child, whose age isn't known, is due in court later. a private funeral for one of the three young girls stabbed to death in southport is taking place today. six year old bebe king was attacked during a dance class at the end of last month. the killing sparked anti—immigration and counter protests across the uk, in part because of misinformation about

the suspect. now the government is being warned, warned it will have to increase funding to meet its pledge to end the so—called 8 am. scramble for gp appointments. the doctors association claims at least £35 more per patient per year is needed to match funding levels from a decade ago . during the from a decade ago. during the election campaign, labour said it would make it easier to book appointments in gaza. it's reported at least 18 people have been killed in an israeli airstrike. hours earlier, president joe biden had claimed he was optimistic a ceasefire deal with hamas was closer than it's ever been following negotiations with mediators in qatar. joe biden told reporters there are just a couple of issues standing in the way of an agreement, which could lead to hostages being freed. >> i'm optimistic. not far from over , just a couple more issues. over, just a couple more issues. i think we've got a shot . i think we've got a shot. >> those are your latest gb news headlines. for now. i'm sophia

wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> good afternoon . welcome. this >> good afternoon. welcome. this is gb news. we're live on tv , is gb news. we're live on tv, onune is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's just coming up to seven minutes after 3:00 on the way. police forces across the uk are expected to be on stand by this weekend amid reported protests , along with reported protests, along with planned gatherings by campaign groups including stand up to racism. we'll be going live to birmingham to get the latest harry and meghan security and use the use of bullet—proof ballistic briefcases to protect the couple from potential shooters in colombia. but the uk were too dangerous for them, wasn't it? crikey, seriously

then, for the great british debate, i'm asking do the government need a different approach to tackle protests? as nearly 500 people have been arrested since the unrest swept the nation? and then how safe do you feel on our streets , as you feel on our streets, as police have said that they will continue their zero tolerance for knife crime and will pay thugs to surrender their weapons before the ban kicks in next month . as ever. send me your month. as ever. send me your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com forward slash your say . so of course let's start say. so of course let's start with with the big stories of the day. police forces are on high alert amid planned protests and gatherings across the country. anti—immigration protests took place in dover earlier, and it's still kicking off in birmingham . still kicking off in birmingham. and whilst campaign groups stand up and whilst campaign groups stand up to racism are taking to the streets, all of this comes as new data reveals that 460 people have been arrested in connection with violent disorder earlier this month, although that's not to say what side they've been arrested from , and hundreds face

arrested from, and hundreds face their day in court. so joining me now is gb news west midlands reporter jack carson. jack, so you are live. where are you and what can you tell me is happening ? happening? >> well, the to stand up racism protest that has been here for the last couple of hours has quite literally just finished not long ago. those protesters have just gone home and we talked. you talked just there about the police being on high alert. west midlands police had said yesterday, putting out a statement that they were going to have an increased presence within the city centre here because of the rumoured protests . because of the rumoured protests. that could well be happening in the city online. they're referring there to anti—immigration protests that had been rumoured online. we've not seen any evidence of that happening here today. certainly here in birmingham, we did have the stand up to racism protest. there was quite a couple of hundred people, i would say, that gathered there to listen to speeches, listen to people chanting and listening to some poetry as well . different

poetry as well. different placards there that that we could see some like bigots out of brum and kind of standing up to fascism. lots of talk from some of the speakers on stage about nigel farage and talk about nigel farage and talk about the rise of the far right and reform uk getting seats in parliament at the election, wanting to stand up against that kind of rise of those. certainly that that party in particular. but west midlands police did have quite a few police vehicles here as well, quite a few officers, police liaison officers, police liaison officers that had liaised already as the protesters arrived , talked to them, arrived, talked to them, negotiated the plan of what was what was to happen. and it was a very peaceful protest . it's been very peaceful protest. it's been very peaceful protest. it's been very busy anyway here because, you know, saturday, right in the middle of everyone trying to do their shopping and they certainly made their voices clear at the protest. but there were no no violence or any trouble , certainly, that we've trouble, certainly, that we've seen as we've been observing the protest here. but we did speak to one of the people that that

had spoke on stage to the crowd, abu abu abu omaima, he's a youth worker in this city. he spoke to us a little bit earlier on that i can't be a muslim and walk in pubuc i can't be a muslim and walk in public and feel safe. >> that is what's worrying. and that's what upsets me more than anything. there's a lot of people who are here trying to defend immigration, trying to defend immigration, trying to defend refugee rights. but for me, it's more about my identity. and if i can't be who i am in public, then that's where it is. concerning >> yeah. so there's the view there really about why these people felt like they had to come out and protest today, why they had to feel like they had to stand up to racism. they don't necessarily feel like they are safe with the violence that we've seen across the country in the past few weeks. you were mentioning nana, the data that we've got recently from the government talking about 460 people who have confirmed to have been arrested in connection with the violent disorder that we saw earlier this month, many more arrests still to be made . more arrests still to be made. and we talked throughout the week as well about how the crown

prosecution service is now charging some of those people. most of the people so far have been charged with violent disorder. we saw the first person yesterday charged with rioting. that's a much more serious offence that carries a much more serious custodial sentence of up towards ten years. 15 year old boy from sunderland that was charged with that offence. the government will be hoping that because of charging those protests with things like rioting with because of the arrests that we've already seen so far, people being sentenced very quickly and going into many of them custodial sentences, they'll be hoping that that has acted as the right deterrent for them, which is perhaps a reason why we've not seen any violent disorder on the streets so far today. >> were there two sides protesting, or was it just purely stand up to racism that had a presence there ? had a presence there? >> it was just to stand up racism that had had a presence there today. we saw no evidence of any protesters counter

countering to them at all. as i said it was it was very peaceful here. so lots of chanting and banners and speeches. but but certainly no anti—immigration protest was the worry. there had been rumours. that's why they were going to have an increased presence in this city. but that presence in this city. but that presence seems to have seems to have gone now. the protest has finished and people are now just going about their day, finishing off their shopping. >> oh, great. all right . jack >> oh, great. all right. jack carson, thank you very much. and that's a jack carson from the stand up to racism protest. well, on the other side , well, on the other side, anti—immigration protests took place in dover earlier and our reporter ray addison has this reporter ray addison has this report . report. >> so an anti—immigration protest had been scheduled to take place today. here in dover, down by the sea front. the poster for that was timed to stand up and be counted against the, quote, illegal invasion of our country. so in response to that, we saw an event organised by kent, stand up to racism at the market square here in dover.

>> now it looks like we've lost. i wanted to hear what he had to say about that, because i do find the whole thing quite interesting, especially the anti —racism interesting, especially the anti—racism protesters who seem to think it's okay to spill out a load of rhetoric against certain individuals who they may claim they think is racist. but yet but then, yet they're not. so it does seem very odd that some people seem to be able to do that. well, stay with us. loads still to come on gb news. my loads still to come on gb news. my panel will be joining me live . my panel will be joining me live. we will have a chat with the former chief immigration officer of the uk border kevin saunders, in just moment. stay tuned. keep your thoughts coming.

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beginning of the show. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. you can also download the gb news app. it's completely free or why not check us out on youtube? all the programmes are streamed there live now. coming up, prince harry and meghan markle will come on. i could not i could not not could i? their security detail in colombia are using bullet—proof briefcases to protect them, but is this overtly extreme? or if it is, if it isn't, then why go? how can that be safe in the uk? next, do you believe there is a two tier approach to policing protests? thatis approach to policing protests? that is the question i'm asking. joining me to discuss, because it's joining me to discuss, because wsfime joining me to discuss, because it's time for the debate this hour. it's time for the debate this hour . i'm it's time for the debate this hour. i'm asking you because this weekend across the uk, we were on high alert where he had it. protests in dover , it. protests in dover, birmingham and taunton, including lots of demonstrations by far right groups and stand up to racism. now data shows that over 460 people were arrested in connection with earlier violent protests. 99 already have been sentenced and 300 remanded in custody. and this is very swift

action indeed. but will the swift justice work? the aim, obviously, is to maintain public safety , but with protests safety, but with protests continuing, is the current approach effective or is a new strategy needed? so for the great british debate, i'm asking, do you believe there's a two tier approach? that approach though, because who are the people that are being arrested? what about some of the so—called peaceful counter—protesters? well, joining me now is political commentator lee harris and also former labour defence minister ivor caplin. i'm going to start with you, lee harris, the current version of this protest is swift. justice keir starmer. they will use potential facial recognition technology and then they'll come and get you later . or maybe if and then they'll come and get you later. or maybe if you're that bad and they catch you at the protest and they get you, then do you think that's the right approach? >> i have no personally, i have no problem with coming down hard on, say, for example, violent protest. i don't think anyone would argue that we need to make sure that if you're going out and throwing rocks at the police and throwing rocks at the police and burning down buildings, we need to take a very strong approach to that. but with

regards to general, is there a two tier policing approach? i mean , it's unarguable to say mean, it's unarguable to say that there has been for a very, very long time and we can go back as far as the anti—lockdown protests where the police came down on them like a ton of bncks. down on them like a ton of bricks . and you look at how bricks. and you look at how they, dealt with the just stop oil and the extinction rebellion protests where they were blocking traffic and stopping ambulances, and the police were literally bringing them cups of tea, i remember that , yeah. tea, i remember that, yeah. >> anybody want a cup of tea? if only we had that clip of that officer. yeah. it's hilarious. >> and there's a photograph, isn't there, of a police officer literally giving a i think it was a priest. he's got with a dog collar, and he literally gave him some water while he sat there in the middle of the road. just just get them out of the road. so and there are many, many more examples, the blm protest. well, i was going to say that springs to mind immediately. >> and one of the most, one of the most recent examples, which really wound me up, if i'm going to be honest , was the this was to be honest, was the this was dunng to be honest, was the this was during the riots and we had the

west midlands police force who did an interview on another channel and basically openly admitted to tier policing, not just that, they explained precisely how it works, so they'll have a nice cosy little chat with these community leaders, as they call them. >> they'll they'll decide how they, you know, between themselves. they'll decide how they'll police that. whatever i think this was, suggested protests in birmingham at the time and then it will just turn into a nice, cosy little chat , into a nice, cosy little chat, basically, and they'll decide by themselves and what i found amazing was the reporter at the time actually said to the police officer, would you have done this if it was an edl protest? oh god no. and of course everyone knows they wouldn't have done it . so it seems that have done it. so it seems that certain communities are getting a nice soft touch approach to policing and other areas of society. they'll come down on you like a ton of bricks . you like a ton of bricks. >> well, you saw the beginning of the pro—palestinian protest. they did very little in the protest. they were frightened. they didn't what the people were

chanting anti—semitic chants. people were climbing buildings and defacing monuments. absolutely. and nothing really happened. >> we had so many incidents . >> we had so many incidents. there was an incident where a swastika sign was being used , swastika sign was being used, and the police made excuses for it, saying it depends on the context we had, i hope i pronounce this right. hizb ut—tahrir , which is now a, which ut—tahrir, which is now a, which is now a proscribed terrorist organisation, terrorist organisation, terrorist organisation, violently, shouting jihad or calling for jihad . and the metropolitan jihad. and the metropolitan police literally made excuses for it . for it. >> they were making justifications for when that word can be used in a different context, meaning something else. exactly. >> he was stood in front of a banner with a big orange banner that says muslim war or something like that. right behind me, a muslim army. sorry it said behind it. it was very, very obvious. the context we didn't. we're adults. it's i just cannot believe that mark rowley has the gall to turn around and say that, a two tier policing is complete nonsense. it's gaslighting. he's lying. >> well, he may disagree with

that. >> and sadiq khan and keir starmer sadiq khan scared in his own london, which i find most amusing either. >> yes . is he amusing either. >> yes. is he wrong, >> yes. is he wrong, >> lee? no. he's not wrong. he's not wrong. he's not wrong. but i think there are different ways that you can handle this in particular, if i can deal with the subject you've just been deaung the subject you've just been dealing with, i'm very concerned about what was going on here in london previously in respect of gaza. i couldn't understand that. i actually came here three times to watch some of what was going on. i always walked against where they were walking one way, just to see as if i was a general , one way, just to see as if i was a general, ordinary person walking. i couldn't believe how much they were saying and chanting. that is clearly against the law. clearly and now that that obviously was before the current government got in the current government got in the general election. and, and i think there has been a

comforting place by, by some areas of policing. i'm not really criticising the met alone because there is other policing thatis because there is other policing that is going on in these areas, and i just think that we have to get this right. we have to stop people not from being allowed to demonstrate. of course, demonstrations should be allowed , demonstrations should be allowed, but there have to be things that where you say something that is against the law, which is what we're talking about, you know, against the sea and all those sorts of things. we can't allow that to go on, and i hope we won't. >> there seems to be a sort of hierarchy of acceptance, though. so if you were to say just as lee said, if you were part of the edl, they'd come at you with some sort of force. but if you were to say things that were deemed as anti—semitic or alongside some of the narrative that you heard with the pro—palestinian protest, there seems to be an acceptance of that as though they're scared of the numbers that are involved in it, and this is why they've left them behind. and even keir starmer's crackdown, i believe,

is somewhat one sided against anyone who criticises immigration. >> i was just going to say to you, nana of course, what this could create now is a much different form of policing because what, when, when you are now seeing gaza dealt with like we've seen in london, then the kind of thing that they've been doing over the last few weeks with people who've quite rightly been arrested and charged, etc, etc. i have no problem with any of that, but we have to have a situation where we don't have this kind of antisemitic behaviour in our streets, in particular in in our capital city, because it does appear that as soon as the backlash is hitting sadiq khan, he noticed it now as being a muslim, as soon as it felt like the narrative had shifted against muslims, then he was suddenly engaging with it more so than he had been previously. >> and i think a lot of people, i don't think it's acceptable on any level. so against jewish, against muslim, against anyone, it's wrong. but on my in my

view, it should be handled in a very balanced and even manner. and i don't see that happening. but let's i'm going to speak to the former chief. go on, go on. speak to the former chief immigration officer of the uk border force, kevin saunders, to get his views on that as well. kevin thank you very much for joining me. so we are dealing with most of this protest. the narrative is clearly around immigration. what are your thoughts with regard to the way these particular things, these these particular things, these these protests are being policed ? these protests are being policed? >> oh dear me. i don't think there should be any, any demonstrations at all, i my view is that the government should put a complete ban on, on immigration, >> sorry. on, on protests at the moment because it's just turning into riots and we can't have riots . whatever the issues, we riots. whatever the issues, we can't have people rioting, smashing up shops , stealing and smashing up shops, stealing and what have you. look at the amount of time that we've had to spend over the last couple of

weeks, with trials, sending all these people to prison and what have, you know, if there was a complete ban on riot on, demonstrations for, say, a month , demonstrations for, say, a month, it would hopefully take the sting out of everything. >> well, what about freedom of speech, kevin ? you can't. speech, kevin? you can't. i mean, we're not in a dictatorship where you can stop people from talking. surely there should be allowed. but the police need to be able to cope. why can't the police cope ? why can't the police cope? >> well, i agree with you. we should be allowed. allowed to demonstrate. but we should be allowed to demonstrate peacefully. and we're not demonstrating peacefully . demonstrating peacefully. therefore, we have to ban them. i'm not saying we ban them forever. and a day. i would just ban them for a month just to take the sting out of things and say , you can't have any, any say, you can't have any, any riots or you can't , sorry, you riots or you can't, sorry, you can't have any protests on anything for the next month. >> you can. but that's impossible. i don't see how you're going to stop that. if you've got a load of people on

the streets there. i just don't see how that that would even be, that i don't even see how that could work. if a load of people get out there and start demonstrating, what then you, it won't work. and then you look like you've got no power . like you've got no power. >> well, you might be right there, but i mean, i, i don't like to go outside the house now, just in case i bump into a, into a, you know, a riot or something like that, it's not right. what what's going on, we shouldn't be. it shouldn't be happening in the united kingdom. we are not a country where where we should have this sort of thing. and the riots aren't about an issue. they're about criminality. as we saw the other day, with people smashing down, shoe shops and stealing trainers . shoe shops and stealing trainers. and then in hull, we saw that man going into a shop stealing beauty products and then giving them away. it's nothing to do with immigration. it's just pure

criminality. >> well, a lot of these people coming to these riots are opportunists, kevin. that's that's that's what that's about. but the issues still remain, very briefly, i've got about 30s with you, kevin, what should keir starmer be doing then? because the riots are happening, he can't stop them or the protests even. you're saying ban protests even. you're saying ban protests ? that's not going to protests? that's not going to work. what do you think keir starmer should be doing? >> well, perhaps he ought to be making a more effort to stop the boats. i mean that that's what that's the big problem. if we could stop the boats completely, then, the problem probably would, would go away. but we're not stopping the boats . although not stopping the boats. although ihave not stopping the boats. although i have to say, still no crossings yesterday or today, which is a good sign . but i do which is a good sign. but i do understand that the problem is actually boats, and that the smugglers are having difficulty getting boats. >> well, listen, kevin , it's >> well, listen, kevin, it's been really good to talk to you. thank you so much. he's the former chief immigration officer former chief immigration officer for the uk border force. yes.

perhaps keir starmer could address the situation of the boats. joining me now, ivor capun boats. joining me now, ivor caplin and also lee harris. you were you were saying i was just about to say and listening to what kevin was saying there, i mean, it's impossible to just stop demonstrations or anything like that. >> what we've got to do, i think, is to manage it properly and we've got to be able to have the policing that we need to make sure these things happen. that's what i was just saying about what we saw previously in relation to antisemitic behaviour , in london, i think behaviour, in london, i think that there are lots of good things going on in different parts of the country. and the problem when things just happen in london is that everyone thinks that must be it, so in some ways we need to get to a point where the policing matches what people think is the right thing to do, and i think that's where we need to try and get to. >> lee harris i think it's getting much worse . and i think

getting much worse. and i think the situation from a public perspective is getting worse, too, because we're looking at just as we were talking a moment ago, every single weekend for months, we had hate marches calling for intifada , genocidal calling for intifada, genocidal chanting, violent calls for jihad , open support for jihad, open support for terrorists. and i think they there was a recent case of a sutton man, 61. i've got the headune sutton man, 61. i've got the headline in front of me who chanted, i won't obviously repeat it, something who the is allah? and he was jailed for 18. >> what about the ones that were supposed to be supporting the houthis about the boats ? houthis about the boats? >> exactly. and at the time, sorry, at the time when we had the, at the time that we had the demonstrations for the anti—israel protest, we had the met defending the use of the word jihad. and the point i was trying to make is, is the public perception of fairness is being eroded. and that is not good. it's not going to end well. >> well, okay. thank you for that. lee harris and kevin

saunders, stay with us. this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio, 31 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua welcome on the way next. royal biographer angela levin will be here to give us the latest from behind the palace walls. but first, let's get your latest news with sophia wenzler . latest news with sophia wenzler. >> nana. thank you. it's 331. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this houn newsroom. your top story this hour. 125 firefighters have been battling a blaze at london's iconic somerset house. smoke was spotted billowing from the roof of the historic building on the strand just before midday. 20 fire engines were sent to the scene. the director of somerset house trust said the fire broke out in the west wing of the building and assured there are no artworks in that area. the venueis no artworks in that area. the venue is now closed and all events this afternoon have been cancelled. the cause of the fire is still unknown . in scotland, is still unknown. in scotland, a member of the snp has been

kicked out of the party for comments about the israel—hamas war, described as utterly abhorrent. john mason has been accused of flippantly dismissing the deaths of more than 40,000 palestinians. party officials will now meet to discuss a fixed time period of suspension . time period of suspension. greater manchester police have launched a murder investigation after a man who became trapped in a burning building died in hospital. officers were called to a fire on dumbarton green in wigan early on wednesday morning. it's being treated as a suspected arson attack . suspected arson attack. president biden admits he's optimistic that a ceasefire deal between hamas and israel could between hamas and israel could be in sight. tensions, though , be in sight. tensions, though, are still high in the middle east, with an airstrike hitting lebanon earlier, killing at least ten people. israel claims it was targeting a hezbollah weapons centre and an infectious disease expert says it's very likely that a new, deadlier variant of monkeypox, previously

known as monkeypox, is already in the uk . the clade one b in the uk. the clade one b strain has been confirmed in sweden after first being detected in the democratic repubuc detected in the democratic republic of congo. the new, more transmissible strains caused hundreds of deaths around the world. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward

>> good afternoon. 37 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua . this after 3:00. i'm nana akua. this is a gb news. we are britain's news channel now. there's always something going on in the royal household. and this week has been no different. and each saturday i love to give you a rundown. and who better to do so than royal biographer angela levin? angela welcome. thank you. there is a lot to talk about. you. there is a lot to talk about . so what should we start about. so what should we start with? should we go with prince harry and meghan as they're on their security detail in colombia , the drug capital of colombia, the drug capital of the world? i think it is. or is that scotland? i think we should. >> what? what is extraordinary? there are hundreds of things that extraordinary. but what is really extraordinary is that all the things they hated doing, they are now doing, and they're doing it with a smile and they want to do it better than anybody else. you know, you start there. that's where you end as well, because you think this is phoney. this is all to

say, i can do better than you can, but actually they can't. very interestingly that the vice president, francia marquez, she saw meghan and harry on netflix when they did the sex sex, sex six episodes. no that was a slip of the tongue . vie portland of the tongue. vie portland slip, yes . six hours of it, slip, yes. six hours of it, which it nearly killed me because i had to watch it. it was so boring. it was so difficult. she fell in love with meghan and thought, this is wonderful. i must meet the woman. so harry, you know very little interest in him . so he little interest in him. so he was standing in the back. he didn't speak or understand spanish. he could just say. didn't speak or understand spanish. he could just say . what spanish. he could just say. what is your name? how old are you? which is, you know, he at least he tried a bit. so it was so unfair. it was so . negative, i unfair. it was so. negative, i thought. so i went back actually, and looked at the six episodes and this was the one

where meghan mimics the queen, which i think left lost. she lost a lot of followers on that. and she bent over and she said very, you know , curtsy. fake very, you know, curtsy. fake curtsy. yeah. but she was teaching little girls there, to do curtsies for her because she is a princess. and so these little kids were trying to learn to how do that. >> what she was doing in colombia. >> yes. >> yes. >> teaching the kids to how curtsy when she had mocked the curtsy when she had mocked the curtsy . curtsy. >> yes. that's what i'm telling you. terrible. i thought i couldn't believe that, and i just i checked that that was in shocking, shocking. she says they don't want to be royal, but they don't want to be royal, but they don't want to be royal, but they do want to be treated as though they are royal. yes, that's right. well, meghan does anyway. i think harry looks so miserable and unhappy on this one. >> i thought he looked very happy. in fact, to me they looked very happy and i'm happy that they're happy. but the point that we make is that stop slagging off your family and

stop taking advantage of the royal titles. that's what we're all after. we don't care what, do what you like, but you know, don't use the royal name. >> no, no, they had the opportunity. the queen wished them very well. the late queen wished them very well. they should go away and have a lifetime. but meghan is very resentful, and she's going to go on and on and on until she sorts it out. but what was also silly is that they were telling us how to think, to how behave, which was also a nonsense. you know, you must behave perfectly. you have to what was this one, you know what people are acting on information that isn't true. well, i heard that bit about. yes, that's one of their things that they don't actually tell the truth about. many things i found. and what they're doing is actually they're okay, argue that it's their truth, which is what has come out of it. >> even though there were 17 clear inconsistencies in the oprah interview 19. >> there were 19. yes. there we are , miss, but yeah, but you are, miss, but yeah, but you can't actually go around telling

everybody else what to do if you're not doing it. i just don't think i think that's a nonsense. and i think that this is very much to upset the royal family even more because of the danger and also any arrangements they might do anything, any promises to do a deal with them or to make sure that they become more familiar with us or , you more familiar with us or, you know, with, with, sort of changing the way that the royal family works for their way. and i think , and i hope that the i think, and i hope that the royal family who are in scotland, have a big think about this, because i think it affects the royal family very seriously. and if they're going to go to a place, a country every 2 to 3 weeks and build up something against the royal family to be wary of that, they should really, definitely be wary of it. >> would you would you say that

there needs to be sort of a motion towards it? i know that the king and queen can't do it, but there should be some sort of motion towards removing their titles. so they can no longer trade with them, like if they want to do royal so—called faux tours around the world. that's up to them, you know, do what you like, but to do it on the back of being royalty , when you back of being royalty, when you have stepped back from the very thing that you're doing, it's very disingenuous. yes. >> i mean , this is a >> i mean, this is a parliamentary thing to do. the king can't do it. it could be done. yes, it can be done. but they can't take away prince. they can take away dutch and duchess, but they can't take. prince was born a prince. but you can't take that away. i'm sure you can. well, i've been told it can't. you can't be. but if otherwise , meghan also gets if otherwise, meghan also gets called princess. and i don't actually think many of us want that. but i think they've got to do something now because it's coming to a spot that is dangerous. >> will parliament make the laws so you could make a law and the king, obviously, the bills go to the king in the end so they

could change the law. they could change the law and they could do it. so i don't buy into the fact that they couldn't do this. they could if they wanted to. >> they don't want to. yes. i think there might be very nervous about what harry and meghan can write. and harry would do part two of his book. and meghan is threatening that she will do her book and she will hold nothing back. and although a lot of it won't be believed and it won't be true, it might be their truth. i think it might be their truth. i think it will cause a tremendous turnaround that will be very, very difficult. i mean, it's awful to have a child like that who wants to go off the rails in such a way is nearly 40. and he actually complains about not speaking to his daddy. and that sort of childish thing of stamping and having a little , stamping and having a little, you know, scream at his family and blaming. >> william screams at them. but we do know that he was looking for an apology when in many's view, he was the one that needed to give it. >> well, yes, of course he does. but no, he has been shouting. i know he has been shouting at his

father, because they've been waiting for an apology to meghan and that's one of the reasons, not the only reason. now it is because king charles is having treatments and he's got to be calm and quiet. but he has been screaming at his father. >> and you know this. >> and you know this. >> i do know this. i do know this. yes. and you don't want to hear that every time that somebody comes up. and actually, it's squashed into 20 minutes or 10 minutes and then he's off. so if you really, really want to do this, i think you come for two weeks and you talk about everything slowly, quietly, and with understanding where the other one comes from. but but he doesn't do that. he wants it now. he turns up anyway. the other thing , meghan did quite other thing, meghan did quite a bit of spanish, by the way. yes, she could understand quite a lot. she was chatting away at some of them, so that's very good, the duchess of edinburgh had gone there last year and she

went and it was a very good toun went and it was a very good tour. it wasn't dangerous. they didn't. no, they didn't. it wasn't dangerous at that time . wasn't dangerous at that time. and she was working with women in conflict and the british embassy helped her at the request of the commonwealth development office. and that all went very well. they've got no one helping them. they've got no idea. nobody. so it's going to blow up, i think. >> do you think in their faces ? >> do you think in their faces? i mean, look, they've got some bullet—proof briefcases though to help them because the place is quite dangerous. >> 14 cars that take them to and from it just seems, you know, if you're going to complain about all of that, then perhaps you should go somewhere. >> that's a little bit safer. you're going to be worried about your royal protection. but angela levin , thank you very angela levin, thank you very much. we'll be discussing that in our great british debate. next, we'll be talking about prince harry and meghan markle security detail in colombia. they're using bullet—proof briefcases to protect them whilst on their trip. but, you know, is it time now to review their security? should they get

their security? should they get the ravec special protection? that's

next. good afternoon. 49 minutes after 3:00. it's time for our second great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, should prince harry be given royal protection? the special special royal protection? he and meghan, with their security detail, they're using bullet—proof briefcases to protect them from potential shooters during their four day trip in colombia . that doesn't trip in colombia. that doesn't sound overtly safe, frankly, but at least they've taken part in an art session and planted trees dunng an art session and planted trees during a visit to a school in the capital, bogota, i suppose. how do they get their private jet on a bombardier? probably the most polluting aircraft to mankind. but do extreme security measures create more panic? so if the great british debate this yean if the great british debate this year, i'm asking, what do you think? should they be given royal protection? joining me now, political commentator lee harris and former labour defence minister ivor caplin. i know

this will be a subject close to your heart. >> it is. it is close to my heart, actually. just to when william and harry were at, a college , i was the minister college, i was the minister responsible for them whilst i was at the ministry of defence. really? and so i on one occasion, and this is a great occasion, and this is a great occasion, actually , i get a occasion, actually, i get a phone call from a well—known newspaper, shall we say. let's call it something like the sun. and, and what happened is they they wanted to know why we hadnt they wanted to know why we hadn't put stuff around the whole of the college so that the two of them could be protected. no.andi two of them could be protected. no. and i said , are you really no. and i said, are you really going to publish this? i challenged them to publish it, and they never did. oh, they never did. they never did. but that's an absolute truth. wow. and it happened all those years ago. so it doesn't really matter. but it was a moment of just understanding that you don't have to do that just because it's the royal family you want them to have. as much

of a normal time in college as you can get, and, and what happens now? i think they'll be perfectly safe in, in colombia, of course. you know, there's no doubt about that. and we've used proper circumstances over the years for making sure everyone is safe. >> so, so should should it does prince harry have a point? should he get this graphic protection, which is only meant for working royals? i mean, you know , if you step back, you have know, if you step back, you have to acknowledge that that is part of the deal. surely part of the things that he's done himself have made him a target. nobody's nobody's revealed revealed a kill count . nobody told nobody's revealed revealed a kill count. nobody told him to do that. nobody told him to talk about these things. no i think that i don't think harry is under any sort of pressures in, in in the context i think that, you know, the royal family is the royal family, and we want to make sure the royal family are safe and sound whenever they're doing things. >> i personally would like to

see harry and meghan come back and be part of, you know, king charles's , you know , dealing charles's, you know, dealing with all the issues that are there . there are lots and lots there. there are lots and lots of times when people want the royal family to do something, and we don't have the actual capability to do it all. so that would be another pair of hands on deck, hands on deck. that would be very good. and i think that would be a good thing for harry and meghan to do. >> well, they're worried about their security. that's why they've gone to america, where people have the right to bear arms. lee harris yeah, i, i think he's a whingeing , think he's a whingeing, conniving hypocrite. >> nana. >> nana. >> he would argue that he is not whingeing or conniving. a hypocrite may be. >> well, look, i do have i do have sympathy for obviously what happened to his mum and his experience with the press. i think all of us, anyone with a conscience can understand that. but what i can't get, i mean, it was only a couple of weeks ago, i was on this show and we were discussing the same thing and i

suggested that by him saying that he wasn't going to bring his grandchildren over to see king charles, that that was some form of emotional blackmail, which i do believe that's just my opinion, and i believe that's what happened. and i feel like my opinion has been kind of vindicated by the fact that he's in columbia and he was able to pay in columbia and he was able to pay for i'm assuming he's paying for his own security. who's paying for his own security. who's paying for it? >> we don't know. >> we don't know. >> the it's an assumption. i'm sure king charles isn't paying. >> he may not have paid for it. they may have, because i think he was invited. so they would have pulled out all the stops . have pulled out all the stops. >> it would be it would be the government of columbia who are deaung government of columbia who are dealing with this matter. but he's prepared to go to columbia, and yet he won't come to this country because he feels that it's, he needs the security. >> and let's not forget, it was his decision. he knew exactly what he was getting into. he knew what would happen if he stepped away from royal duties. this was something that wasn't a surprise. so him sort of coming back and take is it was it a court case that he tried to take? >> he tried to he lost. >> he tried to he lost. >> but dude you yeah. but you exactly. and understandably so

because he literally he knew what that decision would result in. and so i find the whole thing completely ludicrous and hypocritical, >> what more do you think? gb news. com forward slash you'll say, you know, i'd love to get your comments. i will read some of those as well. keep them all coming. plus don't forget you can stream the show live on youtube up next. do you know i couldn't resist? i've got to do my nana snigger at harry and meghan. i know you're probably bored of it all, but i just thought i had to put pottermore in and give you my two pennies worth because obviously they're at it again. another faux royal toun at it again. another faux royal tour. but now let's get an update with your weather. do not go anywhere . go anywhere. >> it looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello and welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. sunny spells and fine weather continuing through this afternoon, but there will be some showers and it will be

particularly breezy across the northwest of scotland. and that's due to this area of low pressure and this squeeze of isobars giving particularly windy and gusty conditions. but further south it's a much quieter picture through the rest of saturday. so for the south—east plenty of hazy sunshine around. a couple of showers across western parts and particularly across northwest scotland. there will be showers continuing to feed through as well. breezy too here with that wind and over the hills, it's going to be feeling quite cool, but generally it's going to be a largely dry night. fairly but generally it's going to be a largely dry night . fairly fresh largely dry night. fairly fresh temperatures into the low double figures and maybe into the single figures in a few rural spots as well. so to start the day on sunday, lots of dry weather around , but further weather around, but further north there still be showers feeding in the far north—east of scotland may see some brighter skies to start off with, but we are going to hold on to these showers moving in from the west further south western parts again, seeing some early morning showers , but further east again, showers, but further east again, more in the way of sunshine . more in the way of sunshine. wales. there'll be a couple of showers over the hills and most of the south—east will be seeing

a bright start to the day on sunday there will be some clouds continuing to bubble up through the day, but we do see those conditions beginning to settle down. any of these showers starting to melt away across the southwest and through wales, and any showers by the afternoon really being restricted to the far north of england and parts of scotland . and even here of scotland. and even here there'll be a little bit fewer and further between than we've seen through today. still breezy though , and not feeling though, and not feeling particularly warm with temperatures at best into the mid—teens across scotland, but warmer further south and feeling quite pleasant in that sunshine. if we get to 25 degrees elsewhere through the rest of sunday, a largely fine and dry night, most places staying dry just a couple of showers still feeding into the far north—west it's all changed, though, into the start of next week. rain arriving from the west on monday and staying unsettled as we head through the early part of next week. that's all from me. bye bye. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather

gb news. >> good afternoon. hello and welcome to gb news live on tv, onune welcome to gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours , me and my panel will be hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion . this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me now is political commentator lee harris. and also former labour defence minister ivor caplin . coming up in the ivor caplin. coming up in the next few hours, police forces across the uk have been on standby today. that was amid reported protests across the country. then in the pulse uk, doctors are on high alert over the deadly spread of the virus. it looks nasty. and then, will labour's plan to end the eight? a m gp appointment scramble work? we'll be running through all of that . but before we get all of that. but before we get started, let's get your latest

news headlines . news headlines. >> good afternoon. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines at just after 4:00. priceless artworks, including a van gogh painting, have not been damaged, and all the public are safe after a fire ripped through the roof of the historic somerset house, london fire brigade said 125 firefighters and 20 fire engines were helping to tackle the blaze in central london. it broke out earlier this morning. smoke was spotted billowing from the roof of the historic building on the strand just before midday. the venue is now closed and all events this afternoon have been cancelled. the cause of the fire is still unknown. in scotland, a member of the snp has been kicked out of the snp has been kicked out of the snp has been kicked out of the party for comments about the israel—hamas war, described as utterly abhorrent. john mason has been accused of flippantly dismissing the deaths of more than 40,000 palestinians. party

officials will now meet to discuss a fixed time period of suspension . greater manchester suspension. greater manchester police have launched a murder investigation after a man who became trapped in a burning building died in hospital. officers were called to a fire on dumbarton green in wigan early on the wednesday morning. it's being treated as a suspected arson attack. it's reported that former newsreader huw edwards is now accused of sexually assaulting a 27 year old man in a west end club after sending explicit text messages. this follows earlier revelations that the 62 year old admitted receiving child sex images and videos. the alleged victim claims edwards, who continued despite being asked to stop, was brazenly aggressive and got off on the risk of getting caught. it's also alleged in the daily mail and the sun newspaper, the former bbc star threatened to kill anyone who looked at the man whom he described as his possession . police across the

possession. police across the country are on high alert today as protests and counterprotests take place nationwide. it follows the arrest of 460 people so far linked to violent disorder earlier this month, with hundreds now facing court. tensions are expected to be high in birmingham, with the group stand up to racism also taking to the streets. meanwhile, our reporter ray addison has been speaking to protesters in dover calling me a racist and they're calling me a racist and they're calling me a fascist and a nazi. >> i'm just british in my country, holding my union jack, looking out for my children and grandchildren whom i've got, three of whom i love. >> my country and i want our future, you know, our kids to have something to, you know, have something to, you know, have something, you know , when have something, you know, when they when they grow up, you know. i don't want them to inherit something that's, you know, it'll be dangerous for them in the future. they'll have no no facilities to use. you know, they don't get a doctor's appointment. >> i've come down here just really. so i can actually see

what the reaction is there must be 50 police here now protecting four of us. it's. because they want to attack us, and yet we're the ones that are being called the ones that are being called the aggressors. we're the ones that are being called the fascists and the racists. >> in ireland, a teenage boy has appeared in court, charged over appeared in court, charged over a stabbing outside renmore barracks. army chaplain father paul murphy posted on social to media say he was doing okay after receiving treatment for serious but non—life threatening injuries. the 16 year old boy, who cannot be named because he's a minor, was refused bail and remanded in custody. a private funeral for one of the three young girls stabbed to death in southport has been held today. six year old bebe king was attacked during a dance class at the end of last month. the killing sparked anti—immigration and counter protests across the uk, in part because of misinformation about the suspect . misinformation about the suspect. and in gaza, it's reported at least 18 people have been killed in an israeli airstrike. hours

earlier, president joe biden had claimed he was optimistic a ceasefire deal with hamas was closer than it's ever been following negotiations with mediators in qatar. joe biden told reporters there were just a couple of issues standing in the way of an agreement, which could lead to hostages being freed. >> i'm optimistic. not far from over. >> i'm optimistic. not far from over . just a couple more issues. over. just a couple more issues. i think we've got a shot and anyone travelling to an african country affected by a new strain of m—pox is being urged to get vaccinated. >> fresh advice has been issued by the european centre for disease prevention and control after the virus emerged in the congo. more than 500 people have died on the continent, so far this year. sweden's recorded its first case while pakistan is trying to establish whether a person there is infected . those person there is infected. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very

latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> well, before we get stuck into the debates , here's what into the debates, here's what else is coming up today. police forces across the uk have been on standby amid reported protests , along with planned protests, along with planned gatherings by campaign groups , gatherings by campaign groups, including stand up to racism. we'll have some reports from earlier on in the day in birmingham then. how safe do you feel on the streets as police have said that they will continue their zero tolerance for knife crime and will pay thugs with zombie knives who surrender their weapons before the official ban next month. in the official ban next month. in the pulse uk, doctors are on high alert over a deadly spread of the mpox virus. is the next pandemic closer than we think? and labour will struggle to meet the pledge to end the 8 am. gp dash without core funding. so our gp's at breaking point that

is coming up in the next hour. as ever, some of your thoughts? post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . but first gbnews.com/yoursay. but first nana's niggle. i thought i'd slip it in now and we'll move on from the royals very quickly, but i've got to do it seven minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua this is gb news, harry and meghan, they're at it again. another faux royal tour. really. we've had quite enough filling the vacuum that has been left by the vacuum that has been left by the royal family. the couple have emerged in the cocaine capital of the world, which, by harry's own admission, he was previously, many years ago, partial . columbia is one of the partial. columbia is one of the most dangerous places in the world, and ranked somewhat higher than the uk on all forms of violent crime. yet despite his fears for his family's safety in the uk, harry and meghan look comfortable and very relaxed in colombia. good security simply be an excuse as

a way of holding his family hostage for not getting what he wants. pretty spoilt methinks. earlier in the week, harry had a side swipe at elon musk. he said what happens online ends up on the streets. hardly. it's pretty rare that happens. most people onune rare that happens. most people online are keyboard warriors and make their threats from behind a keyboard. but if he's that concerned about it, he might want to have a word with the sussex squad who carry out their onune sussex squad who carry out their online abuse using the sussex name. no, nothing from the pair on that about that. look, i'm happy that they seem happy, but they've stepped away from royal duties, so why are they using their titles once again and preaching from afar? grabbing on to any headline stories to stay relevant? nothing is off limits. you can't spout compassion and goodwill until the cows come home, but yet continue to show a huge lack of it towards their own family . whilst there may be own family. whilst there may be some who can ignore this, i can't. actions speak louder than

words . joining me now is words. joining me now is political commentator lee harris and also former labour defence minister ivor caplin. so we talked royal so we won't go into that. let's talk police forces . that. let's talk police forces. anything to say? nothing. >> police forces? police. >> police forces? police. >> i've got loads to say about police. >> good. right. police forces have been on high alert. that's amid fan protests and gatherings across the uk. all of that as new data reveals 460 people have been arrested in connection with the violent disorder earlier this month, and hundreds face their own day in court. let's have a listen to our west midlands reporterjack have a listen to our west midlands reporter jack carson. he has this report. >> well, here in birmingham today, there's been this stand up today, there's been this stand up to racism counter protest that had been rumours of an anti—immigration protest in this city. that's why west midlands police said that they were going to deliver the resources onto the streets to reassure the pubuc the streets to reassure the public and also be there, ready to protest , to ready to respond

to protest, to ready to respond to protest, to ready to respond to any protests that did develop. there were a few hundred people that gathered for the stand up to racism protest here in the city today. chants of kind of anti racism and making sure that the people that were around here and listening to those protests knew what their message was. they talked about nigel farage, the rise of the far right, saying that about nigel farage, the rise of the far right , saying that they the far right, saying that they wanted them off the streets, wanted them off the streets, wanted bigots out of brum . that wanted bigots out of brum. that was one of the banners that was placard paraded and a placard that was walked around the protest here. ultimately, it was very peaceful, but the police here were on hand. police liaison officer apologies for that. >> the audio is so bad that we thought we'd just move on to this one because it's a very, very poignant story. very sad story as well. if you've just

joined us ten minutes after 4:00, this is gb news now, a private funeral for one of the three young girls stabbed to death in southport. is taking place today. joining me now is gb news north west reporter sophie reaper, who is live from a flower show that's linked to the event. sophie talk to me about the flower show and why this has been held and what the connection is . connection is. >> well, nana, this is the 100th anniversary of this incredible flower show here in southport. so to mark it, we're at one particular exhibition created by the wonderful nikki and jo. so we'll just show it to you. so there we are, 100 in those beautiful sunflowers grown by jo himself. so we're going to speak to them now. nikki, talk to me about southport flower show. this isn't your first time here, is it? this is. you've been here many times. we've been doing this flower show for years and years and years. and how does it compare to other shows that you've been to before? how does it feel to be at 100th

anniversary? >> it feels amazing to be able to celebrate with them. >> and obviously i tried to do a display focusing on the 100th anniversary. so yeah, it's great to be involved. >> it's absolutely beautiful what you've managed to produce. well done. and jo, i believe you're from southport originally, aren't you? >> yeah, just in huntsville, which is about five miles away. >> yeah, obviously southport is going through an incredibly difficult time at the moment. we had that tragedy just a few weeks ago, the funeral for one of the girls today. how important is it that at times tragic times like this, that communities like the one here in southport can kind of come together and have that community spirit? well, it's vitally important , spirit? well, it's vitally important, but also just basically to keep things going as usual. >> you know, i know we've been through extraordinary times, but it's just good to have that and business as usual. >> and do you think, nikki, that this is going to help people remember those girls who tragically lost their lives so, so young?

>> absolutely, yes. i mean, it's a sad to remember the 100th anniversary under such sad times, but also it does remember them in a good way as well, you know, our hearts go out to all the families and who were involved in it, but it's been a really good community spirit here at the flower show. >> absolutely. thank you so much both for joining >> absolutely. thank you so much both forjoining me >> absolutely. thank you so much both for joining me this afternoon. and i think there you go. that's absolutely true . go. that's absolutely true. thousands of people have come down to the southport flower show today nana to enjoy the festivities. 100th anniversary, but also to pay their respects and come together with that community spirit to support those families who've gone through the most tragic experience one could possibly ever imagine . ever imagine. >> sophie reaper live from flower show in southport . well, flower show in southport. well, joining me now, though, you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. next up, should the police pay thugs to give up their

good afternoon. for 17 minutes after 4:00. if you just tuned in. welcome welcome. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, should the police pay i'm asking, should the police pay thugs to give up their weapons? a new weapons surrender scheme will offer market value compensation to owners of zombie knives and machetes, provided they hand over them before the 24th of september, and also they provide proof of purchase or some sort of receipt so they can get the market value. the ban comes in response to the surge in knife crime. we've had over 50,000 offences reported in the past year, but critics argue that paying for weapons could incentivise illegal purchases. and while supporters see it as a necessary step to get these dangerous items off the streets.

is this approach too lenient on crime? so should the police be paying crime? so should the police be paying thugs to give up their weapons so that's my question to you. what do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay but joining me now, political commentator lee harris and also former labour defence minister ivor kaplan, i'm going to start with you either because this is about defence. you were a former labour defence minister and you all know a lot more about this than most of us. so why are they doing this , doing this, >> it's not an unusual circumstance in governments, different governments across different governments across different places that you try and get in things that can be dangerous for , for the public. dangerous for, for the public. and i can understand why people want to do that, whether that's the right time to do it. just after everything that's been going on in these last few weeks , going on in these last few weeks, i think you could question whether that's necessary. >> set up by the tory party. actually, the one good thing they actually did and one thing they actually did and one thing they actually did and one thing they actually finished. yeah, so , they actually finished. yeah, so, you know, because they were so busy infighting that nothing got done. yeah. but the 24th of september is the deadline, you

see, and so labour, labour are carrying out, i think they're just carrying it on. >> yes. >> yes. >> that's why it's when it is. >> that's why it's when it is. >> yeah. and i don't, i don't, i just think that, we do need to say to people carrying knives is a bad thing to do and i don't know how else we can keep saying it because it's happening all the time . we were talking the time. we were talking earlier, lee and i, about a piece from bbc on on in bristol the other day. fascinating piece of how the police went around to in the end, take four people who were 16 to 19 out of a car which was full of various different pieces of, of machetes and swords, swords, the whole thing. and you do have to say to yourself, why on earth were these young people actually carrying all that and well done to the police for actually knowing about it and then following it through.

>> but that's their job. so no, >> but that's theirjob. so no, thatis >> but that's theirjob. so no, that is i appreciate that. that's that is their job. >> but at 11:00 on a wednesday morning, which is when this happened, that's a you know, it wasn't like , you know, 10:00 in wasn't like, you know, 10:00 in the evening when you might expect these things to happen. it was in the morning. they'd obviously got this ready to go and actually be able to do this. and i think that that's , that's and i think that that's, that's giving maybe to other parts of the country just a bit of an indication that this is something you can do with your policing, you can do with your organisation to try and stop as much as as much of the use of, of these terrible , pieces are of these terrible, pieces are there, you know, but why are they even allowed to? >> but i mean, why why are you like, it's like the crossbow for me. why can't you buy a crossbow? why can't you buy a machete? why can't you buy a sword? why can you buy a zombie knife? >> lee harris yeah, i agree with that sentiment. i don't understand why you would need to own. i did ask this question

about a crossbow, actually, and apparently there are some legitimate reasons to have a crossbow for sporting reasons . crossbow for sporting reasons. >> it's archery, isn't it? >> it's archery, isn't it? >> yeah, something like that. but but no, i agree with you totally in principle that knife crime in this country is out of control. and especially when you see these horrific incidents. i mean, i've got an eight year old daughter, probably not anything special, but it completely broke me in two. what happened in southport and every time i talk about it, i try not to get emotional and it just it you have this kind of mixture of emotion and anger and especially when what was it almost on the same day we had massive gangs running around, in southend on sea, machete gangs. and that's not the first time the public have seen that there is a really solid and important argument that we have to have about the safety people feeling safe in this country, and this is one of the this is partly why i was so angry with keir starmer when he did these press conferences, and, and all he spoke about was

the far right. i know we discussed it. he didn't precisely say everything was on the far right, but it felt like he was talking about just the far right . and people in this far right. and people in this country have got genuine concerns. one of those concerns is knife crime being completely out of control. and i've got to admit, if they don't start doing this whole amnesty, that we're talking about, it seems weak to me. i mean , don't get me wrong, me. i mean, don't get me wrong, if someone turns around and gives me statistics that these amnesties work, great, if you're going to pay people for handing in knives, fine. if that works. but public perception, it feels pathetic. they need to go out there. they need to increase. how can. keir starmer set up 24 hour courts literally do not pass go straight into prison for a hurty words on facebook . yet a hurty words on facebook. yet we can't come up with something similar for people who are caught with a knife. and we need to. you know, we had idiots like david lammy who were turning around saying that, you know, stop and search is it doesn't

work. it's ineffectual. i think one of the, one of his guardian headlines, i saw from a few years ago, admittedly, he would argue that he's not an idiot. >> others might say that. >> others might say that. >> and also, that is that's an old that's an old piece of true. but the point guardian the point broadcasting trying to make is that stop and we need to step up, stop and search. >> we need to come down on the if we can come down on people on facebook or twitter or whatever for, for saying something that isn't quite a little bit fruity on twitter. if we can do it for that, why can't we do it for knife crime? why can't we just send people straight to prison? >> can i just ask you, have you noficed >> can i just ask you, have you noticed a difference in the way people are behaving online? >> i have noticed it in myself a little bit, but i do refuse to let it affect my posts. >> but you don't. but you don't post offensive posts. no. >> i think this is going to lead to some real change in westminster by by the government into what people can actually do on social media because some of the stuff like the man who was, you know , sent to prison, sent, you know, sent to prison, sent, sent to prison for three years,

i think 2 or 3 years. the other day, you can't have people thinking that this is okay. and it has been a constant thing that people have been told and they don't seem to listen. well i'm actually glad that there is. >> i'm glad that they're coming hard on people who are saying ridiculously false things on on twitter. i've been caught so many things are literally look at it and i do laugh and i ignore most of it. and for some of them who send me stupid stuff, i just say, well, i'll take that as a compliment coming from you. you who can't even put your own picture up, you're obviously not going to stand behind your words, but the fact that i should even have to be bothering with that. but i am actually slightly pleased in a way that that that they are coming down on people who are saying very offensive things because i don't post offensive things. no, i don't have a problem with it. so they can come down. they're not going to come down. they're not going to come down. they're not going to come down on me. i've got nothing to say, but i don't agree with them coming down on people. actually expressing a different viewpoint that they don't agree with. that's where we part ways. >> i was giving this some thought on the way up and offer a slightly different perspective. i'm not saying this

is my view, i'm just saying it's a slightly different perspective saying we all agree. i think that incitement to violence and saying things that some of these people have gone have been punished for, they should be punished for, they should be punished and we should come down like people. but to get three years in prison, it's the it's the sentences that i find disproportional, disproportionate. sorry, what i think we should be focusing more on is the people that go out committing the actual violence. >> now, i would agree with that. i do agree with that. but i do think i careful ignore the damage that these sort of things in the post can do to people. >> i don't think i was just going to say we should just be careful about what was said in a court, which we don't probably know in relation to one or other matter like happened to that person. but i think in the principle of this is we can't allow people to think that social media is a free hit. i mean, funnily enough, i get grief if you want to call it that , and i do exactly the same

that, and i do exactly the same as you do, and i ignore it. but but it's still, you know, why should it happen? why should, why should i get that sort of stuff? >> but let's be honest, right. if you this is the bit that i was thinking about on the way up. it's wrong. people should be punished for incitement to, i think, you know, whipping up a storm prior to a prior to a right or during a riot. i think we all agree. but for me, it's the people that go out. what i was going to ask you was if you read a post like that, would you then go out rioting ? then go out rioting? >> me yeah. definitely not. >> me yeah. definitely not. >> no, this is what i'm saying. >> no, this is what i'm saying. >> but i know why you ask the question. >> the reason i'm saying that is because do we really, honestly believe that people are being animated by social media posts, that they're reading and going, right, you know, this this woman was 65 years old. she's got nothing to do with it . well, my nothing to do with it. well, my point is, is do we honestly believe that the whipping up of , believe that the whipping up of, of hate on social media should. i'm not, by the way, i'm not disagreeing. should be punished. >> let's turn it around and

let's make it one of these famous so—called celebrities that whips up hate on people and individuals all the time . you individuals all the time. you know, i would say that as long as if they're going to do this, it works both ways round. so some of them, when they chuck a twitter storm at you because they're not happy with something you've done or said. i would say that people who've said offensive things on social media and created a massive storm against you, i would say, and there's many of them in the celebrity world who have done that, who currently have radio shows on certain channels that should that, that i think there should that, that i think there should be applied to those people as well. you shouldn't be allowed to whip up hatred towards somebody, but that then then you have the point as who determines whether what you've done or what you've said is actually hateful. so for me to say that, say, i say that imam khalife, in my view, with x y chromosomes, is a male. but then somebody says that's hateful, that's transphobic. exactly what? who determines where the line is? this? >> this came up about 18 months ago, didn't it, in westminster. and i think we all thought there was going to be some changes coming through from the last

government. and it hasn't. and it never happened. well, that's that's fair enough. so i think that's fair enough. so i think that without doubt in i don't, i can't remember whether it was in the king's speech or not, but i know that there's been some indication in labour circles. labour areas that they would like to see something really positive happening to, to to, make sure that this kind of behaviour isn't allowed . behaviour isn't allowed. >> but, but, but that's but it's very subjective isn't it. it is very subjective isn't it. it is very subjective isn't it. it is very subjective because that's the issue. the problem is, is very subjective because then we end up with two tier. so if you're on the side where everyone thinks, oh , you're very everyone thinks, oh, you're very righteous, as is always the case, like often i'm the wrong kind of black. i'm saying things, but you're not supposed to say that you're black. you can't be saying that that's the wrong thing. so then there's a bit of storm whipped up against me. but it's okay, because what people are saying is the narrative and she is the wrong kind of black. so that's my concern with all of this. >> i think people who whip up a storm. so saying, for example, you know , go out there and get

you know, go out there and get them lads or something during a riot , we they should be dealt riot, we they should be dealt with. i think the sentences that are coming out are massively disproportionate. they should be. i mean, i don't think anyone argues that there should be. i would i totally agree, these people should be punished in some way. maybe a fine, maybe a couple of months in prison for doing something like that . but doing something like that. but if you're physically going out there throwing rocks at the police, burning down buildings, that's where the sentences should be coming. >> and they are for whipping up stuff on social media. >> i just don't think people are that stupid of course, there's going to be some people. >> that's also difficult as well, because everyone can be caught up in something that's misinformation and that's agreed to do. and it's not your fault necessarily. it's who's putting out there in the first place. but then if they got the wrong information as well. so i think that, yes, it's right to punish people for not scrutinising information. if it then results information. if it then results in something terrible, you have to take your part in it. in something terrible, you have to take your part in it . but i to take your part in it. but i do think as well, that if we come back to the machetes and knives. yeah, that that actually

people carrying machetes and knives, it shouldn't be allowed at all. and, and they shouldn't be giving. do you think they should be given compensation for handing back a machete to your knife? >> well, as you said earlier, you know, this is obviously we're picking this up as, as an ongoing matter. so i can understand why the government is, is taking this on from the last government. but i hope in proper circumstances over the next year as we see changes in in potential policing and all this sort of matter , that we this sort of matter, that we don't have to see these kind of amnesties, what we want people to do is to stop using nana need to do is to stop using nana need to be petrified very, very knife. >> they need to be petrified. so, so would you put you're talking about sentencing. >> is this a place where you put a. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> this is what i would do. absolutely. it would be five years for being caught with one minimum. >> do not pass . go straight to >> do not pass. go straight to jail five years. so if you get caught with a knife at the point on the street, you know you're going to prison for five years. >> and i would like to see. >> and i would like to see. >> yeah , that's more like it. we >> yeah, that's more like it. we need to increase the sentencing

and make a big deal of it, you know, publicise the fact that these that you're going to go to prison and, and that is if you can do it for people who are you know, hurty words on, on social media, you can do it for knife crime. >> well, and i also, i would say bnng >> well, and i also, i would say bring back the death penalty as well for people who kill. just chuck that in ivor caplin and also lee harris. thank you very much. right. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio on the way the pulse as the world health organisation has declared a fresh outbreak of mpox , formerly known as mpox, formerly known as monkeypox, a global emergency. first, let's get your latest news headlines . now. news headlines. now. >> it's 431. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . priceless in the gb newsroom. priceless artworks, including a van gogh painting have not been damaged. and will the public are safe after a fire ripped through the roof of the historic somerset house? london fire brigade said 125 firefighters and 20 fire engines were helping to tackle

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>> good afternoon. 37 minutes after 4:00. if you're just tuned in, where have you been? you're watching gb news. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. next up, health officials have ordered doctors to look out for cases of mpox as a deadly strain is confirmed to have reached europe. now the world health organisation, the who, declare a global emergency. they've said that the outbreak which started in africa, more than 500 people are dead and the continent? so far there were 15,000 cases that have been reported. so the question is, is this the next pandemic? well, let's see what gp and medical writer renee hoenderkamp thinks. doctor renee nana renee. oh, it looks horrible. it looks vile. >> it does look horrible. >> it does look horrible. >> what? what is it? and what are the symptoms? >> it's a pox virus, like smallpox that we manage to

eradicate the symptoms. >> for most people, if they get it because it's not that easy to catch. are mild. >> they're headache, fever, chills. you get this rash, which affects unusually palms of the hands and feet which most rashes don't. so that's quite a lot of them have it on their face. oh, they do , but for example, if you they do, but for example, if you get chicken pox you wouldn't get it on your palms or your feet. so there are ways that you can differentiate it . i think what differentiate it. i think what i want to do is just calm down the rhetoric a little bit . the world rhetoric a little bit. the world health organisation did the same before with monkeypox about two years ago, and that fizzled itself out because people changed their behaviour. so, so mpox is not that easy to catch. you have to actually be close skin to skin contact with somebody who has it or their clothing or bedding. so it's going to be someone. >> why can't it be transmitted if you're very close to them as well? kissing, kissing or in the evening you transmitted? yeah. >> so obviously sexual contact is a problem, although it's not classified as a sexually transmitted disease. and so to rule that one out don't kiss

anyone. >> there's nobody. >> there's nobody. >> but so i think let's let's calm it down a little bit. it's been endemic in africa parts of africa for a long long time. it's just spread outside a little bit. right now this is a different version. it's a slightly different what they call a clade. this is one b whereas last time it was two which they think is slightly more infectious. but we're not talking about covid. we're not talking about covid. we're not talking about covid. we're not talking about someone who you could be talking to now and catch it. you know, if you actually look at reports of it, evenin actually look at reports of it, even in households, when somebody is diagnosed with it, they isolate the whole household and the other people don't get it. >> but these things have a habit of getting clever and clever and clever and educating themselves, these viruses, on how they can transmit more successfully. they do. but but i suspect that when they do that, they also work out how they don't kill their host so they can so they get slightly less dangerous. but this one has become more dangerous. >> we think so. but we don't actually know because there's a lot of there's a lot of controversy over who dies of this, because in some of the areas where it's now spread to healthcare is almost

non—existent . people are quite non—existent. people are quite sick because they're living in poor conditions. so are those people weakened from an immune point of view. and so things that wouldn't kill you and i would kill them. >> do you not think this is a bit of a western sort of argument, though over there? they don't know what they're doing, whereas here we know what we're doing, so we'll be fine . we're doing, so we'll be fine. >> so no, i don't think it's that i think there is a whole western thing going on here that we need to keep people very scared about things. i think. look of course we should be vigilant. and i think people that are at risk. so last time that are at risk. so last time that this rose its head, men who had sex with men were much more risk . obviously, sexual contact risk. obviously, sexual contact with somebody who has symptoms of the disease is a worry. if you're immunocompromised or pregnant . well, i don't know if pregnant. well, i don't know if you're immunocompromised. you know, that might be a problem too. so i think if people are aware of it, as soon as you get aware of it, as soon as you get a symptom that you're worried about, see a doctor because it can be swabbed quite easily, and the treatment for it. so there's no treatment. it's a virus. if you're very ill or you're immunocompromised, you'll get antivirals , perhaps, you know. antivirals, perhaps, you know. so it would be the same as treating any viral disease. what about the vaccine?

>> some people might be because we've got there are three apparently different types of vaccine and lots for it. and a lot of people are thinking, well, maybe i'll just get the vaccine and be done with it. >> okay, so i personally would never take a vaccine that i don't need and i do not feel at risk from mpox. i don't think i'm going to be mixing with people who have mpox, and i'm certainly not going to be in risky behaviour with people that you might say, sit on the tube, do you use the tube? >> i do you might sit on the tube and then your hand on the handrail. somebody who's had it has put their hand on, or you might hold on to a rail that somebody held on to, i mean, and then that's it. >> it's not it. because you've then got to put that in your mouth. i don't put my fingers in my mouth when i'm on the tube. >> you could rub your eyes. >> you could rub your eyes. >> i really don't i'm quite careful with my hands, but things like that don't worry me. i feel i have an immune system that will do its job. i think people who are immunosuppressed may be more worried about that. i think for people that need to travel to africa for people that are going to travel to africa and have sex with other people , and have sex with other people, definitely the vaccine is a consideration. so i think if you think that you're at risk or you're so worried about it, it's something you want to do. of course you should inquire about the vaccine. i'm for all people

taking treatment that they want to take, but what i'm not for is telling people. >> so at what point in your mind would you say that people you would you say that people you would potentially recommend people get vaccinated? obviously, people take their own personal situation into account. so that's everybody's doing it for themselves and potentially for themselves and potentially for others. it's your own personal decision. absolutely. but at what point would you say that okay, this is maybe something that people need to consider getting the vaccine for. what would it take in? >> you mean generically across the whole population, or would there not be a point? i think that point would be a very, very long way off, because i would always on you need to assess your own situation and decide whether you want this and i'm standard on that, and i just don't think this is going to be a pandemic. it's just not the same as an airborne virus. it really isn't. >> but it is slightly airborne. if you're quite close in close contact, the evidence is not firm on that. >> it really isn't kissing. yes. so because they're heavy big respiratory droplets. so they're not airborne because they drop to the floor. they're heavy. so

i think it really is unlikely. i think what we need to do is we need to be vigilant. we need to be looking out for anything that worries us. seeing a medical practitioner, if we see something that worries us and it can be quickly ruled out or ruled in, and i think thereafter you take whatever path is recommended and give up shaking hands. >> i'm going back to the elbow. i'm going straight back to the elbow. and he was touching me. >> listen, i think if you have a condition, that means that you're more at risk. of course. and i would always recommend that for anyone. me personally, i think i'm okay. i just had shingles, actually. get out. get her out. >> get her out of here. >> get her out of here. >> you know, i'm fairly relaxed about these things, and i always think i have an immune system that will do its job if we're well nourished in the western world, we're sensible. we should be okay. and last time it was brought to a close because people changed their behaviour and some of them had the vaccine. do we have any conditions of it at the moment? >> i don't think anyone's reportedly, no. >> there is there is a statement today that it probably is in the uk already. we just don't know about it yet because there's an incubation period. obviously, before we actually see any signs

of it. so we'll have to wait and see. i'm sure we will get cases here. nana yeah. >> all right. well, renee, i won't let you let you go just yet. briefly. what are your thoughts then? labour are planning to end the 8 am. gp appointment . dash, do you think appointment. dash, do you think that's a realistic plan ? that's a realistic plan? >> i think it's a good plan. nice idea, nice idea. but i don't think it's realistic. i mean, i just don't understand the 8 am. dash. i don't understand why some surgeries have it and some don't. and these surgeries are run as businesses. so they could organise their day so that they took appointments throughout the day. the gp practice where i'm registered as a patient, i'm not allowed to make an appointment in three weeks time. if i want one, i have to do the 8 am. dash in the gp practice where i work . you can book 1 in 3 weeks work. you can book 1 in 3 weeks time so i think there needs to be some guidance to gps about how they run their businesses. i don't see how labour are going to end it. what are they going to end it. what are they going to do? are they going to give us more receptionists, more doctors, more time , more money, doctors, more time, more money, more money? >> they're giving everybody more money. i think i think you'll probably be you probably get

more money as a gp. i think the gp are next anyway. or is it border force ? border force? >> i think everybody's next. i mean everybody's going to jump on this train. frankly, i'm quite happy with the money that i get as a gp. i think i'm very lucky, but i can see that everybody will jump on the more money they're already doing it. >> now. doctor renee hoenderkamp, thank you very much. really good to talk to you. thank you. right. well, that was doctor renee. so no panic. don't panic over monkeypox. that's her thoughts to you. but if you feel that you need to do something about it, then again, it's a personal choice. but i did ask her. and i'm asking you next. do labour have a plan to end the 8 am. gp appointment scramble ? a.m. gp appointment scramble? stay tuned. that's

next. 48 minutes after 4:00. welcome. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . and for the great i'm nana akua. and for the great british debate i'm asking will labour's plan work. that's the one they have to end. 8 am. gp

appointment scrambles. remember those . we've all done it. at those. we've all done it. at 8:00 you pick up the phone and you start calling, but it's engaged and then you have to keep going until you get through . keep going until you get through. labour's health secretary wes streeting, has promised to eliminate the rush from medical appointments. good luck with that one. he's going to allow patients to easily book with their preferred doctor. however, their preferred doctor. however, the doctors association uk argues that without significantly increasing core funding for gps always comes down to money that this promise is unachievable. now, labour's plan to take the pressure off gp surgeries by bringing together existing services such as family doctors, district nurses and physiotherapists under one roof, shifting resources to primary care and community services should help to fix the problem. so the great british debate this out. i'm asking do you think labour's plan will work to end? and do you think they can actually do that? do you think, do you believe that labour will be able to end the 8 am. gp appointment scramble? joining me now, political commentator lee harris and also former labour

minister ivor kaplan. i'm going to start with you actually lee, because i think i did you last time. lee harris, so labour have a plan. they're going to bring all the different facilities sort of together and wes streeting as a plan. do you think he's on the right track? >> well, something needs to be done.i >> well, something needs to be done. i mean, i'm very lucky. my wife is normally the one on the telephone at ridiculous o'clock in the morning trying to get a hold of the doctor, and it's an absolute nightmare. and it's been, it seems like forever now that it's been like that, trying to get a gp appointment, you know, for a country like great britain, you'd think we'd be able to get a gp appointment relatively easily . now, if i was relatively easily. now, if i was going to say that i have less sympathy with chucking more money at the nhs, especially with gps. however, reading into it where they say that the amount per person that they get from the government for their gps has stayed exactly the same except. but their costs have gone up. part of me thinks that

they are asking for more money because they're jumping on the bandwagon , because everyone else bandwagon, because everyone else is asking for more money and labour clearly do not do deals. they just capitulate. so there is an argument for that . but the is an argument for that. but the other part of me does think that if that's what it takes, if we can do this new plan, give them a bit more money per per head, and if that allows people to be able to get a doctor's appointment without having to get up at ridiculous o'clock in the morning to make these phone calls and keep your fingers crossed whether you're actually going to get in. because that's the other thing we've made these phone calls and we've not been able to get an appointment over, kaplan. >> yes, i, i agree on this matter entirely with what wes streeting has been saying. i think it's essential that we change the way that the gp's operate. i know that for many of them, they are independent companies or however they call it. these days. but the issue is not about the business side of

gp work. the issues here are about how people want to deal with their doctors , and i think with their doctors, and i think we need to get a new start for, for, for the gp's and, and for how we're going to go forward because it's clearly in the last ten years hasn't worked. but should they get more money? >> they want more money for this. i mean, there's a whole they paid a lot of money to these gps, over £140,000 a year. that's quite a lot. >> that is a lot of money. that's a lot of money. and inevitably there are whole loads of people in the nhs. right now saying, we want some more money, we want some more money, everybody wants more money. it can't happen. we know it can't happen. well, you're saying that. >> but labour, unfortunately keir starmer appears to have been dishing out these above inflation, pay rises. so everyone . why would do it. everyone. why would do it. >> i'm not i'm not sure how you know five 5% is too far. well, but they're above inflation so that's fine. >> but they are above they want

11%. >> the gps the gps wanted 11%. >> the gps the gps wanted 11%. >> well, listen, i've got to go to great british voices. this show is nothing without them. let's welcome them. brian duggan from edinburgh. jonathan jones from edinburgh. jonathan jones from cornwall. jonathan, thank you very much. i've got my rishi in the end. it took me a while. i haven't tried it yet. it's probably trying to kill me there. i wouldn't blame him. so i'll start with you. >> you won't need an appointment with that t nana. >> that's actually the 8:00 is peak time for putting the kettle on and having a cup of tea in the morning, so i'm really sensitive to this. >> but, look, i wish them well if they've gone out, listen to the electorate. and if that's what everyone told them that they want to get, you know, tighten up on that 8:00 appointment thing, which is a bit bonkers, then good luck to them. but if it's just tinkering around the edges, then i'm not sure it's going to work. >> yeah. all right. thank you very much jonathan jones. love the tea. i haven't got a mug, but lee has. right. let's go to you, brian duggan, 8 am. this mad scramble. what are your thoughts? do you think labour can crack it ? can crack it? >> well, well, i hope that they're able to do something nana because it is a mad scramble as you say. >> it's actually a bit of a

lottery. >> it's really not. >> it's really not. >> it's very unedifying. >> it's very unedifying. >> it's very unedifying. >> it's not really what should be happening at this day and age in terms of trying to secure and appoint. >> i mean, you know, this is this is really important for people, i think something has to be done. and i hope that they can change the system fundamentally because it is it's just not working at the moment. >> it's a bit of a joke, isn't it? brian duggan, thank you very much. and also my brilliant friend there with his reishi tea. thank you very much, jonathan jones in cornwall. those were the great british voices. what are your voices? difficult conversations on the way. next josh howie will be joining me. but first let's get an update with your. joining me. but first let's get an update with your . weather. an update with your. weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . solar sponsors of weather on. gb. news >> hello and welcome to your latest gb news, weather update from the met office, sunny spells and fine weather

continuing through this afternoon, but there will be some showers and it will be particularly breezy across the northwest of scotland . and northwest of scotland. and that's due to this area of low pressure and this squeeze of isobars giving particularly windy and gusty conditions. but further south, it's a much quieter picture through the rest of saturday. so for the south—east, plenty of hazy sunshine around, a couple of showers across western parts and particularly across northwest scotland. there will be showers continuing to feed through as well. breezy here too, with that wind and over the hills, it's going to be feeling quite cool, but generally it's going to be a largely dry night. fairly but generally it's going to be a largely dry night . fairly fresh largely dry night. fairly fresh temperatures into the low double figures and maybe into the single figures in a few rural spots as well. so to start the day on sunday, lots of dry weather around, but further north it'll still be showers feeding in the far north—east of scotland may see some brighter skies to start off with, but we are going to hold on to these showers moving in from the west . showers moving in from the west. further south western parts again, seeing some early morning showers, but further east again, more in the way of sunshine. wales. there'll be a couple of

showers over the hills, and most of the south—east will be seeing a bright start to the day. on sunday there will be some clouds continuing to bubble up through the day, but we do see those conditions beginning to settle down. any of these showers starting to melt away across the southwest and through wales, and any showers by the afternoon really being restricted to the far north of england and parts of scotland. and even here there'll be a little bit fewer and further between than we've seen through today. still breezy , seen through today. still breezy, though, and not feeling particularly warm with temperatures at best into the mid teens across scotland, but warmer further south and feeling quite pleasant in that sunshine. if we get to 25 degrees elsewhere through the rest of sunday, a largely fine and dry night, most places staying dry just a couple of showers still feeding into the far north—west it's all changed though, into the start of next week. rain arriving from the west on monday and staying unsettled as we head through the early part of next week. that's all from me. bye bye. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather

gb news. >> good afternoon. it's 5:00. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is dup news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking you on some of the big topics hitting the headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. but first, let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> nana. thank you. good afternoon. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines. just after 5:00. priceless artworks , 5:00. priceless artworks, including a van gogh painting have not been damaged and all the public are safe. after a fire ripped through the roof of the historic somerset house, london fire brigade said 125 firefighters and 20 fire engines were helping to tackle the blaze in central london after it broke out this morning. smoke was spotted billowing from the roof

of the historic building on the strand just before midday. the venueis strand just before midday. the venue is now closed and all events this afternoon have been cancelled. the cause of the fire is still unknown. in scotland, a member of the snp has been kicked out of the party for comments about the israel—hamas war, described as utterly abhorrent. john mason has been accused of flippantly dismissing the deaths of more than 40,000 palestinians. party officials will now meet to discuss a fixed time period of suspension . time period of suspension. greater manchester police have launched a murder investigation after a man who became trapped in a burning building died in hospital . officers were called hospital. officers were called to a fire on dumbarton green in wigan early on wednesday morning. it's being treated as a suspected arson attack . police suspected arson attack. police across the country are on high alert today as protests and counter—protests take place nationwide. it follows the arrest of 460 people so far

unked arrest of 460 people so far linked to violent disorder, earlier this month, with hundreds now facing court. tensions are expected to be high in birmingham, with the group stand up to racism also taking to the streets. meanwhile, our reporter ray addison has been speaking to protesters in dover calling me a racist and they're calling me a racist and they're calling me a fascist and a nazi. >> i'm just british in my country, holding my union jack, looking out for my children and grandchildren whom i've got, three of whom i love. >> my country and i want our future, you know, our kids to have something to, you know, have something to, you know, have something, you know , when have something, you know, when they when they grow up, you know. i don't want them to inherit something that's, you know, it'll be dangerous for them in the future. they'll have no no facilities to use. you know, they don't get a doctor's appointment. >> i've come down here just really. so i can actually see what the reaction is . there must what the reaction is. there must be 50 police here now protecting four of us. it's. because they want to attack us. and yet we're

the ones that are being called the ones that are being called the aggressors. we're the ones that are being called the fascists and the racists. >> in ireland, a teenage boy has appeared in court charged over a stabbing outside renmore barracks. army chaplain father paul murphy posted on social media to say he was doing okay after receiving treatment for serious but non—life threatening injuries. the 16 year old boy, who cannot be named because he's a minor, was refused bail and remanded in custody. a private funeral for one of the three young girls stabbed to death in southport has been held today. six year old bebe king was attacked during a dance class at the end of last month. the killing sparked anti—immigration and counter protests across the uk, in part because of misinformation about the suspect. the government is being warned it will have to increase funding to meet its pledge to end the so—called 8 am. scramble for gp appointments. the doctors association claims at least £35 more per patient

per year is needed to match the funding levels from a decade ago. during the election campaign, labour said it would make it easier to book appointments in gaza. it's reported at least 18 people have been killed in an israeli airstrike. hours earlier, president joe biden had claimed he was optimistic a ceasefire deal with hamas was closer than it's ever been following negotiations with mediators in qatar. joe biden told reporters there are just a couple of issues standing in the way of an agreement, which could lead to hostages being freed. >> i'm optimistic. not far from over. >> i'm optimistic. not far from over . just a couple more issues. over. just a couple more issues. i think we've got a shot and anyone travelling to an african country affected by a new strain of m—pox is being told to get vaccinated. >> fresh advice has been issued by the european centre for disease prevention and control after the virus emerged in the congo. more than 500 people have died on the continent so far

this year. sweden's recorded its first case, while pakistan is trying to establish whether a person there is infected . those person there is infected. those are the latest gb news headlines for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> five minutes after 4:00, this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs . and of it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is political commentator lee harris and also former labour defence minister ivor caplin. still to come, a theatre has cancelled an upcoming performance by comedian

reginald d hunter after reports that israeli audience members were heckled during his edinburgh fina performance. i'll be joined by josh howie in the studio very soon to discuss what on earth happened there. then police forces across the uk have been on standby today amid reports of protests, along with planned gatherings by campaign groups including stand up to racism. we'll have a report from dover and birmingham then for the great british debate this yeah the great british debate this year. i'm asking how sir keir starmer lost control of the unions. the conservatives have hit back at the prime minister finally. you mean they're doing something? oh, they'll stop internalising. where did it go wrong? why? why? because of exactly that. the prime minister. anyway, they hit back at the prime minister, stating that he got played by the union's paymasters in offers to train drivers and junior doctors. but what do you think? has starmer lost control? send me your thoughts. has starmer lost control? send me your thoughts . post your me your thoughts. post your comments at gbnews.com/yoursay .

comments at gbnews.com/yoursay. so police forces have been on high alert amid planned protests and gatherings across the uk. and all of this as new data reveals 460 people have been arrested in connection with the violent disorder earlier this month. hundreds face their day in court. our westminster reporter jack carson sent us this. >> well, here in birmingham today, there's been this stand up today, there's been this stand up to racism counter protest that had been rumours of an anti—immigration protest in this city. that's why west midlands police said that they were going to deliver the resources onto the streets to reassure the pubuc the streets to reassure the public and also be there, ready to protest, to ready to respond to protest, to ready to respond to any protests that did develop. there are a few hundred people that gathered for the stand up to racism protest here in the city today. chance of kind of anti racism and making sure that the people that were around here and listening to those protests knew what their message was. they talked about

nigel farage the rise of the far right, saying that they wanted them off the streets , wanted them off the streets, wanted bigots out of brum. that was one of the banners that was placard paraded and a placard that was walked around the protest here. ultimately, it was very peaceful, but the police here were on hand. police liaison officers as well as officers engaging with members of the pubuc engaging with members of the public and the protesters as well. they put out a statement west midlands police yesterday saying that they didn't want to be anti—protest, but that they were anti—crime. they had had criticism in the past few weeks for how they had responded to protests that we'd seen across this city, and of course, the violent disorder that we've seen across the country, many people and the government particularly thinking and hoping that the certain speed of the sentences that we've seen of people that have been involved in the violent disorder over the past few weeks, they'll be keen to see that that is seem to act as a deterrent because of no

anti—immigration protests reported in big numbers across the country . this today, the country. this today, certainly. so they'll be hoping that that acts as a deterrent. so far, we've seen a lot of people sentenced to custodial sentences for violent disorder that carries a sentence of up to wards five years. and yesterday, the first person charged with rioting. now, that is a much more serious offence that can carry up to ten years in prison, ten years in prison. the person charged with that was a 15 year old boy from sunderland. so they'll be hoping that this new phase that we heard from the cps last week, this new phase of arrests being made, this new phase of people being charged will put an end to the violent disorder that we've seen over the past few weeks. but the stand up to racism protest here in birmingham was largely peaceful . peaceful. >> jack carson with his report in birmingham . so anti in birmingham. so anti immigration protests and counter—protests took place in doven counter—protests took place in dover, dover earlier today. our reporter ray addison sent us this report. >> nancy. immigration protest had been scheduled to take place

today here in dover, down by the sea front. the poster for that saying that it was time to stand up and be counted against the, quote, illegal invasion of our country. so in response to that, we saw an event organised by kent to stand up racism at the market square here in dover town centre. behind me, around 6070 people turned up waving a number of palestinian flags. a number of palestinian flags. a number of people wearing masks, the type you might associate with antifa and those kind of similar organisations. and they were chanting that there should be no borders across the whole of the world, and that everyone should be welcome here in the uk. i actually spoke to a gentleman called aram rofe . he came to the called aram rofe. he came to the united kingdom in 1999, in the back of a lorry from iraq, and he told me why he'd come down here today. >> some people have been very welcoming in the beginning. when i arrived, they even tried to teach me cockney words. i was in

like a able to put two english sentences together, but i was going around telling people cushty or saying lovely jubbly and you built a life here, built and you built a life here, built a life in here. and from that positivity. but there were also people are actually threatened to cut my head off. there were people also told me many times, go back to your own country. even now, people, when i speak up to tell people my experience or how sometime a terminology is going across in a wrong way, they tell me your your your guest in our country. well, i'm not a guest. i'm a proud british person and i'm proud of the british values. >> so after the protest had taken place here, it finished around midday , sort of a smaller around midday, sort of a smaller group of around 20 younger people, more sort of hard line people. you might say. they seem determined to try and find somebody to go and protest to. and so they actually headed down

to the seafront, to the site of the original planned protest, which had never happened. and they did manage to find around 4 or 5 people with their union flags with the english flag, and they surrounded them and they they surrounded them and they the police had to sort of step in and block their access to them. they were chanting, they were calling them fascists and telling them that they were not welcome here in dover. i spoke to those people with the flags, and this is what they had to say. >> they're calling me a racist and they're calling me a fascist and they're calling me a fascist and a nazi. i'm just british in my country, holding my union jack, looking out for my children and grandchildren whom i've got three of. >> there must be 50 police here now protecting four of us. it's, because they want to attack us. and yet we're the ones that are being called the aggressors. we're the ones that are being called the fascists and the racists, and we're anything but far right. i mean, what is far right today, you know, you're either far left or you're far right. there's no middle ground anymore.

>> so perhaps best summed up by that gentleman there who said that, you know, it's quite polarising. you're either considered far left or far right. however, down here in doven right. however, down here in dover, this big planned event that the police were very concerned could become quite difficult. it just seemed to not really materialise and kind of fizzled out into nothing that was ray addison in dover earlier today. >> well, joining me now, my panel , political commentator lee panel, political commentator lee harris and also former labour defence minister ivor caplin. so a lot of these protesters and anti—immigration protesters who are they were saying that they felt like they were being vilified for daring to point out that they're not happy with the situation when that is a view held by the majority of people in this country in terms of the mass immigration, is it mass immigration, though? >> is it really? >> is it really? >> is it really? >> i mean, well, >> is it really? >> i mean, well , the net figure >> i mean, well, the net figure was 700, over 700,000. and then you've got the people in the boats as well. so that's the legal and illegal i think that's

the point. >> we need to find out, you know, what's legal and what isn't legal, because this is how it all used. it all used to happen like that . pre—brexit happen like that. pre—brexit that's one of the points that has been affecting both the government before and still the government, the new government by that. because when there was freedom to move, then freedom to movement from up to 2020 meant that it just happened as a normal thing. i mean, for instance, we still have this situation today where youngsters who want to study could go anywhere they liked in the in the 28 countries or 30 countries that they they can still do that, but it's much more difficult. well, they can still do it though. >> i mean it's much more difficult say much more difficult. you may need to fill in a form. and is that that bad? >> it's not that bad. it's not that. but but it's the point being is you can't just go without having it all approved and having a way to do this. and that's the that's the bit that's

not working. no. >> but you still if you're going to study in another country, you still would have had to fill in forms and do things. you couldn't just go and join the spanish university and blah, blah, blah, and you'd still have to pay money and things like that. you can't just you couldn't that anyway, but you couldn't do that anyway, but you couldn't do that anyway, but you could go to spain. well, i could i can go to spain. i went to portugal a little while ago. very nice. exactly. well, i just don't. i think there's a lot of very wealthy people, mostly, who think, oh, i have to get a visa now. or. and that's only if you stay for a certain period of time. so it's not. >> it's 90 days isn't it. >> yeah 90 days. that's three months. who goes to any of these countries to three months, unless you're going to study in which case get a visa. no, but it's not. >> it's not three months, 90 days, 90 days. add up inside the 12 months. you can renew it . 12 months. you can renew it. >> yeah, but you can renew it as well. it's not like it's a big deal >>i deal >> i want to talk about these protesters who are being labelled as far right, because i don't think they get enough of a good outing on, on programmes like they do on this programme as i am about to do it. but i think there is a the reason that people are out protesting is because there's been almost two decades, probably slightly more than two decades of policy

failure from successive governments. en masse uncontrolled migration and the consistent inability for governments to stop the boats and to there are lots of just ordinary brits out there who are concerned about immigration, and they are being instantly labelled as far right. and i just think it's absolutely it's done to shut down debate . and at done to shut down debate. and at some point people are going to get angry over time. now, personally, and i think everyone would agree with this. nobody would agree with this. nobody would condone any of the rioting that we've seen. in fact, i think we should separate those people completely. i don't think they represent the views of ordinary because a lot of them are opportunists anyway. >> and when what the young one was arrested, he didn't know what far right meant. so, you know, it's just. and also if you wanted to start labelling, then you could label the pro—palestinian protests far left. but nobody's bothering other with that. >> but what's not happening is, is their , their, you know, poll is their, their, you know, poll after poll, election after

election. the people in this country have voted to reduce and control immigration and election after election are politicians. they've not just ignored them. they've not just ignored them. they've deliberately lied to them. and i just keep feeling that at some point something has got to give and to label ordinary brits as far right, which to be fair, the labour party have been doing for years. i mean, i actually well, that's not true. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> i'll give you an example. >> i'll give you an example. >> look, you can, you can have you can have the as an example, singer angela rayner everyone know i know. >> but it was just one example. there were loads, but one of the ones that sticks out in my mind is prior to brexit, andrew marr asked, angela rayner about what labour's are they a pro—open border party? the first thing that she said was is we're going to do it nicely and we're not going to be talking about far right issues, etc. it's just done to shut down debate because labour have not got the answers. they do not know what to do. they do not know what to do. they don't. >> very briefly, you've got

about 10s. no, i can't i can't accept that at all. >> i don't think that's true. look, the labour party is. i can't think six weeks into look at what's happened in all that time. i know they've done an amazing, amazing number of things already. >> answer . >> answer. >> answer. >> i've just given you an answer , >> i've just given you an answer, which is what i think you're. i don't think that you need to keep going on about far right as though that's something that you you you're i mean, it just doesn't seem right. >> well, no, that i agree with. it's not right to label people, to label people far right or. but i don't think labour has labelled people. oh, they absolutely have. keir starmer common left wing argument far right. >> with regard to the protest , >> with regard to the protest, didn't he. and a lot of them were just opportunists. >> a lot of it is opportunist, certainly the ones that i've seen, the protests that we saw in that, what, two weeks ago, you know, i've seen some of those and they are different and, and the, the better thing in some of the demonstrations has been where the local public

actually. and i think this happenedin actually. and i think this happened in bristol too, that they, they actually then take over the situation and they put pushed effectively those people who thought they were being a demonstrator were pushed into a much smaller group. >> final word, and i've got to say, people have had legitimate concerns about immigration for a very, very long time. >> and if they're not getting told shut down there, if they're not getting shut down by being called names for wanting to talk about it, they go to the ballot box and then they're ignored there too. so there is a sense of despair ignored. >> how is someone ignored? >> how is someone ignored? >> i'll tell you how they're ignored. >> very briefly, keir starmer has failed to take take the subject on head on. he hasn't really. and the conservatives. well conservatives failed. full stop failed. well i was about to say what did sunak ever do exactly. we're not going back. i'm making forwards though. and we're talking right now with regard to these riots. i mean, sunakis regard to these riots. i mean, sunak is somewhere in a five star somewhere enjoying himself in la. and as for the rest of the conservative party, they're internalising. oh, why did it go

wrong? why? why right . stay with wrong? why? why right. stay with us.thank wrong? why? why right. stay with us. thank you very much. arthur caplan and lee harris. next difficult conversations, which i'm struggling to say. difficult conversations, which i'm struggling to say . josh i'm struggling to say. josh howie will be joining me in the studio following a theatre counselling of reginald d stay tuned . it's all about israel.

good afternoon. if you just tuned in. where have you been? i'm matching. i'm matching the sofa. do i look naked? i'm being silly. 23 minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news live on tv, onune this is a gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time for this week's difficult conversations . a difficult conversations. a theatre has axed an upcoming performance by a comedian, reginald d hunter, following an incident that saw two israeli audience members reportedly heckled out of his edinburgh fringe show. now, hunter was reported to have made a joke comparing israel to an abusive partner. he was then heard telling two israeli audience members to leave after they heckled him , saying it was not

heckled him, saying it was not funny. well, i'm joined now in the studio by comedian and gb news presenter josh howie. news presenterjosh howie. hello. all right, well, look at this on this side of the stage . this on this side of the stage. what kind of happened? what more detail can you give us? because it sounds a bit odd. >> it's one of those. okay. let's go. go back in time, >> i've known reg a long time by the way, and we've always got on up to this . the joke i'd up to this. the joke i'd actually heard about a few months ago. friends of mine have been to see him do a gig in london, and they were very upset afterwards by this particular joke, which, as you said, compares israel to a domestic abusen compares israel to a domestic abuser. and they were upset about it. but that's comedy. >> it's meant to be a joke . >> it's meant to be a joke. >> it's meant to be a joke. >> it's meant to be a joke. >> i would argue it's not exactly edgy telling a joke that israel is the bad guy to a bunch of far left bigots at an arts festival. >> i would say that's that's you think they're far left bigots ? think they're far left bigots? >> well, i think that some of them certainly are, because the response that what happened when an israeli couple who were in the front said that all they said was, that's not funny. and

then people immediately started abusing, shouting as we got my issue here, that's that, >> let's keep it going. no keep going, so people started shouting, abusing them and basically saying, calling them, swearing at them and also telling them , saying that they telling them, saying that they were baby killers and that they , were baby killers and that they, were, you know, committing genocide. this is just a normal, a normal israeli couple basically. and my issue isn't necessarily with the initial joke. i think it's i disagree with it. i find it offensive. but then comedy is in the eye of the beholder. my issue is with the beholder. my issue is with the response that happened afterwards , where you had this afterwards, where you had this whole room full of people , whole room full of people, screaming abuse at this israeli couple. it turns out one of them was disabled. that's why they're in the front row. maybe that's got nothing to do with anything, but maybe harder for them to get out of the well, exactly. >> then. >> then. >> then. >> then they and really reg's reaction whilst that was all going on, whilst people are screaming, you know, they're not baby killers, they're not, they're not committing genocide.

>> what was his. >> what was his. >> well, he seemingly he egged them on. he certainly didn't stop this , this, this abuse. and stop this, this, this abuse. and then when they finally managed to make it out of the theatre, he then doubled down with an anti—semitic joke. so my point would be that if it had nothing to do with jews, if this was just about israel and a political joke about israel, then why then is he then following up with an anti—semitic joke about how jews are stingy, which is what he did? is that what he did? and then since then, he's unfortunately doubled down online. this is he has form. he's joked there was a joke he did about ten years ago about the holocaust. i've done a joke about the holocaust, but the way that he followed it up again arguably is anti—semitic and the stuff that he's been posting onune stuff that he's been posting online today in the last 24 hours is very it's beyond offensive. >> but i mean, look, i don't i don't agree with the sort of things that are being said in terms of anti—semitism. i don't necessarily find people being anti—semitic funny in any way, shape or form, even if it is meant to be comedy. i just i

kind of have certain lines and racism and anything that sort of feels like it's falling into that category. i sort of don't find funny, but you could argue as a comedian, this is what comedians do. they come up with stuff like that, and then they double down. you don't suddenly 9°, double down. you don't suddenly go, oh, i'm really sorry about my joke. that was meant to be funny. but that's i mean, that's what comedians do. >> i've been there, i've been on stage, i've joked about everything under the sun. >> and i'm not arguing about his right to be able to say this stuff. but at the same time , i stuff. but at the same time, i have the right as a jew to call out what i see as anti—semitic behaviour. but but, but then how come you where is your line then? >> where is your like everybody, everyone has a different line . yeah. >> no, absolutely everybody has to have. >> you're right. and it is. to have. >> you're right. and it is . it >> you're right. and it is. it is an individual line. if i've done a joke, i did a show in edinburgh a few years ago about aids. right now, there might have been people there who were offended . now the joke was not offended. now the joke was not really. the joke was on me , and really. the joke was on me, and my hypochondria . but there were my hypochondria. but there were people, certainly, who came there seeing the title, seeing

it provocative, and came to be offended . a few of them heckled offended. a few of them heckled me. i think they got what the show was actually about as they watched it. but the point is that people's response taking offence at that, if someone if the audience had suddenly ganged up on them and started being maybe homophobic and abusive at that point, you'd step in and 90, that point, you'd step in and go, no, the joke is now broken down and i have responsibility here to these paying customers to stop racist or homophobic or whatever type of abuse. so there is a line there. >> how frightening for those poor people to have to then escape this awful mob. yeah, well, that's people who were sort of ganging up against them and going. >> and those people who did it, i imagine, feel that they are righteous , anti—racist, not righteous, anti—racist, not prejudiced people, but they think that just shouting at jews to swearing at them to get out, swearing at them, calling them baby killers , that that has baby killers, that that has somehow acceptable behaviour, it's not hashtag be kind. well, of course , that's all it's

of course, that's all it's really about is just the hypocrisy. >> which way is it? it's hypocrisy. >> which way is it ? it's like, >> which way is it? it's like, do we allow this kind of stuff then that's absolutely fine . then that's absolutely fine. then everybody should have total freedom to be able to talk about whatever it is and not be offensive. but the rest of the comedy circuit, no one's defending jerry sadowitz and his right to be offensive. so it's like they the comedy circuit picks and choose who it wants is really according to their political beliefs at the time. >> so. so where are we now ? >> so. so where are we now? >>— >> so. so where are we now? >> well, it's sad because i've just spent all week arguing with lots of friends or former friends and actually, wait a minute, i'm making it about me. no, it's not about me. it's about, it's an interesting debate. and rage, unfortunately, is, well , debate. and rage, unfortunately, is, well, he's been debate. and rage, unfortunately, is, well , he's been cancelled. is, well, he's been cancelled. one of his gigs has been cancelled. that's up to every different theatre, i would argue. >> there's the other side, though , isn't he on the though, isn't he on the supposedly righteous lot? well, i feel that so people crossed over now and are supporting jewish people or it just seems very odd. all this. >> well, we live in complicated times. >> that's why we need a channel like this to be able to try and

talk this stuff through. and i'm not saying that i'm 100% right, that i know everything by any means. but let's have a conversation about all this. of course, even coming on the channel suddenly makes you evil to those people, to those comics. i mean, i spent the last weekend arguing online with about 100 comedians who were all saying that all the comics who come on this channel started the riots that happened the week before. i mean, so this is what we're talking about? well, no, of course not. but we're talking about an industry as opposed self—policing, right? or an industry that actually is full to the brim of hypocrites. and reg is just the latest one. well, listen , it's been really well, listen, it's been really good to talk to you. >> josh howie interesting. very difficult conversation. that one, isn't it. what's what will reginald d hunter do next? it'll be interesting to see you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news just coming up to 31 minutes after 5:00. still to come. will labour's plan work to end the gp appointment scramble? we did discuss that. we've spoken to the panel about that, but first let's get your latest news headlines .

news headlines. >> good afternoon. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines from the gp newsroom at 530. priceless artworks , including a priceless artworks, including a van gogh painting, have not been damaged, and all the public are safe. that's after a fire ripped through the roof of the historic somerset house london fire brigade said 125 firefighters and 20 fire engines were helping to tackle the blaze in central london. smoke was spotted billowing from the roof of the historic building on the strand just before midday today. the venueis just before midday today. the venue is now closed and all events this afternoon have been cancelled. the cause of the fire is still unknown . in scotland, is still unknown. in scotland, a member of the snp has been kicked out of the party for comments about the israel—hamas war, described as utterly abhorrent. john mason has been accused of flippantly dismissing the deaths of more than 40,000 palestinians. party officials will now meet to discuss a fixed time period of suspension. in

ireland, a teenage boy has appeared in court charged over a stabbing outside renmore barracks. army chaplain father paul murphy posted on social media to say he was doing okay after receiving treatment for serious, but non—life threatening injuries. the 16 year old boy, who cannot be named because he's a minor, was refused bail and remanded in custody. president biden admits he's optimistic that a ceasefire deal between hamas and israel could be in sight. tensions, though, are still high in the middle east, with an airstrike hitting lebanon earlier, killing at least ten people. israel claims it was targeting a hezbollah weapons centre and an infectious disease expert says it's very likely that a new, deaduer it's very likely that a new, deadlier variant of mpox, previously known as monkeypox, is already in the uk. the clade one b strain has been confirmed in sweden after first being detected in the democratic repubuc detected in the democratic republic of congo. the new, more

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>> 36 minutes after 5:00. if you've just tuned in, where have you've just tuned in, where have you been? it's near the end of the show, but don't worry. 21 minutes to go. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. this is gb news and for the great british debate this hour i'm asking has the keir starmer lost control of the unions ? rail unions announced unions? rail unions announced new strikes just 48 hours after being offered a substantial pay rise. yes, many are calling

labour's close ties to unions undermining and the pm's authority is on the line. while militant aslef union is planning walkouts every weekend now, from august 31st to the november the 10th. and this move comes despite a pay offer that would boost the average driver's salary by 14.25%, up from . about salary by 14.25%, up from. about 60,000 to £69,000. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking sir keir lost control of the unions. well, joining me now is political commentator lee harris. and former labour defence minister ivor caplin. ivor it's one of your people. we're going to start with you. unions, labour, they're all at it. i mean, i read next its border force. they're on their way to start striking as well. >> well, i don't know. i haven't seen all these, but what i can say is a lot of this is. seen all these, but what i can say is a lot of this is . hang say is a lot of this is. hang over there. you know, there were a whole set of changes needed to the situations of various people in the public services. and that

wasn't happening under the last government . and therefore labour government. and therefore labour has picked that up. and has changed it. and some of this has been really good. i mean, the three year agreement on on the rail service is a good way forward , there have been some forward, there have been some other stuff in relation to the health service. we touched on this earlier about the gps and how you can make this work. i absolutely , 100% do not think absolutely, 100% do not think that keir starmer is just doing this because he thinks that, you know, that's the thing he should do. he knows that these are settlements that have been around for the best part of 18 months. in some circumstances and have led to strikes. >> yeah, but they're not buying it. but they're not buying it enhen >> they're not. hold on, hold on. that's two different things. there are two different things here. >> they're not gonna do it. are they? like the first of all, we've had aslef now, after heanng we've had aslef now, after hearing a bumper pay rise,

they're now talking about a load of strikes and they're actually putting. >> that's a different part of the organisation. >> yeah, but but the problem is, though, the problem is it feels like it started some sort of ricochet. and now everybody is asking for more money when they see that somebody else is getting more money. i mean , getting more money. i mean, where does it end? >> well, there is a limit as to what you can pay. and that's that's already been set out by, by by rachel, in terms of where, you know, what she's been saying in terms of the where we are politically and of course , politically and of course, economically, these are really, really important issues . but really important issues. but those two matters are not are not the same matter. there are two different groups. okay. >> so i'm just reading this. >> so i'm just reading this. >> strangely, the daily mail didn't quite get it right. i mean, who would know that sort of thing on a saturday morning? yeah but but the point is that you've what the point they are making. >> if we just forget the fact that there are two separate things, let's just forget the fact that they're two slightly different angles. and i think

the point they're making is that literally everyone is seeing what what is being given in one hand. and then they are now deciding that it's our turn. where does it end now? where doesit where does it end now? where does it end? lee harris well, i think you're exactly right to point out that once you give one one part of the public sector pay one part of the public sector pay rise, the rest of them, and we're seeing that play out right now, they're all going to go on strike. >> what bothers me about what we've seen recently is this is taxpayers money. the job of the government is to get the best deal possible for the taxpayer. and what made me laugh is the transport secretary. is it louise? i can't remember her name. louise. louise hay or something? oh, yeah, she made out that she'd done this incredible negotiation with them. they did nothing of the sort. they just walked in and just capitulated. they didn't have to do any service improvements. they didn't have to the get rid of these ridiculous working practices they have. like if they use a microwave or something, they, they, they can go and get checked out or take time off to go and see a doctor if they start their lunch break and the boss says hello to them, they

can start the clock again on their lunch break. i mean, these are antiquated. i have a tiny i'm not going to pretend that i know all about this, but i have a tiny little bit of knowledge about what it's like to work in the rail freight industry. i used to work in the rail freight industry many moons ago, and it is a militant mindset. lovely people down there. don't get me wrong, it's very family orientated place but this is a they work to the book. they don't know what it's like in the real world. i genuinely and i don't think the public have as much sympathy. so for example, i do agree that there's lots of areas in the public sector where they pay rises. are needed. and i'm not saying that train drivers don't deserve a pay rise, but they do get a lot of money. the pay rises, a lot of money, the pay rises all day week, 35 hours. >> pay rises are needed because what has happened over the last ten to 12 or 14 years, inflation is. yeah there is inflation. but more importantly , what the more importantly, what the tories did was to keep public

services, protecting public money at a terrible , terrible money at a terrible, terrible way. and what has happened? but why are they not. >> okay. so that's very that's all very well. but why are they not accepting modernisation. they don't want to allow modernisation. they want to keep all the old rules that are ridiculous. that's one of the deals. and also the labour party got rid of minimum service levels. that's pretty much the first thing they did. so it doesn't really sound like they're serving the public and it feels like they are at heart. >> but this is the public, this is the public. >> but why are why would a labour government get rid of minimum service levels if people want to strike, you can strike, but they should still keep the service to a level. why would why would the labour party back that? why would they support that? >> i don't know what that is and i don't know how that that has worked itself into a range of what they did at the beginning. so different things. >> yeah. so the minimum service level for say, the nhs and or the railways and everything else like that was set by the conservatives to make sure that if they do have a strike, they can't literally hold to us ransom. the labour party removed that immediately. right. >> but that, that has, that has beenin >> but that, that has, that has

been in that i'm not surprised that that was done. i didn't realise that that had happened so quickly because that was i think that was actually shared in a previous time by by, by labour saying that they wouldn't support that when it was brought forward in government times, the last government times. if i vaguely remember. but i'm not sure. >> all i know is that that's one of the things they're scrapping or they've scrapped. and why would you do that? i mean, that is to protect the public from exactly this and exactly as you would predict. as soon as you start dishing out money, 5% a yean start dishing out money, 5% a year, 11% there, suddenly everyone's after it. >> you have to have some of the, the, the issues that that allow people to actually now use the public, have the public services in the right way, and that includes having having pay rises. i mean , some some of the rises. i mean, some some of the pay rises. i mean, some some of the pay has not been coming in. >> they have had let's just look at reality is in health there isn't. but the reality is that

those in the private sector don't get this . every annual and don't get this. every annual and annual guaranteed pay rise , annual guaranteed pay rise, these these bodies, these these organisations have pay review bodies. they go through the government and then they work out a pay rise. and then that's initiated. so there is an intermediary that actually deals with a lot of this in particular for the health service. so you would expect that. but there isn't anything like that for private. if you work in a private. if you work in a private business, there's no pay review body that makes sure you get a rise in line with inflation. even everybody's been affected by this. yeah. >> and it's what mick lynch is already sort of sniffing his way into a new deal because he wants the same deal that aslef have got. you've got the, the, the east coast main line, the er or whatever they're called. they're now going on strike, but that's border force going on strike place. they all want a piece of this. they all want a piece of it . it. >> civil servants if. >> civil servants if. >> look, i've got no problem with labour going in there and trying to get a deal for the same reasons as everyone. it also affects the economy, you know, to have the trains, not not working properly, but the fact that they went in there and they didn't do a negotiation,

they didn't do a negotiation, they just capitulated that that's partly i think, the reason why we're getting more strikes coming in, because they know how easy it is to get what they want from this government. so, so in answer to the question, yes, keir starmer has lost control. >> no. absolutely not. 100%. that's not true. and how you how you bring about change in the pubuc you bring about change in the public services is a longer term than six weeks. and i really do think that you can't just look at something and say, oh, that's wrong . and therefore this is wrong. and therefore this is this is wrong. wrong. and therefore this is this is wrong . and i just have this is wrong. and i just have to say that i think in the in the six weeks, seven weeks since the six weeks, seven weeks since the general election , the party the general election, the party has done an amazing job. keir starmer has been first class, especially in dealing with the riots and things that he obviously knew about . but you obviously knew about. but you know, look, you're entitled to different views . different views. >> okay. well listen, apparently rac keir starmer has done well and lee harris disagrees. what do you think ? do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay. but next

it's gbnews.com/yoursay. but next wsfime gbnews.com/yoursay. but next it's time for my quick fire quiz. a chance for the panel to fight over the that caught their eye. this week.

it's time for the quick fire quiz, the part of the show where i test my panel with some of the other stories that are hitting the headlines right now . joining the headlines right now. joining me, political commentator lee harris. your buzzer, please. lee and also former labour defence minister ivor kaplan . your minister ivor kaplan. your buzzer please ivor. and please play buzzer please ivor. and please play along at home. i'd like to hear what you think . right. it's hear what you think. right. it's a question. one which tory leadership hopeful said that the prime minister, sir keir starmer, was being played by his unions. what union paymasters was it mel stride was it b priti patel or was it james cleverly ? patel or was it james cleverly? >> i'm going to vote for c, he said. >> it's james cleverly. say who it is . mel stride mel stride did

it is. mel stride mel stride did you talk before you pressed the buzzer or buzzer before you pressed, i can't remember, is there a simultaneously right. let me see. the answer is it's james cleverly. oh, not so cleverly. james i bet he hears that all the time. yeah. it was in fact james cleverly who made that comment. and what do you think? is he right? do you think that starmer is being played by the unions? a lot of us think he is. closest answer wins. okay. so question two how many viewers stroke listeners did elon musk and donald trump interview or did he get did the interview get 1.3 million 1.3 million? yeah, that was the live number, >> i'm wondering what the hell people were doing, to be honest. but nevertheless, i'd got about a million people, wasn't it 1 million people? >> you're saying the answer is 1 billion people? actually billion. >> that was the whole amount. well, that's what i asked. >> 1 billion. >> 1 billion. >> sorry. i thought it was just 1 billion. yeah, it was 1 billion. >> you still win because you got 1.3 million for wins. well done.

there's one all one all. did you get it at home? question three which famous reality tv couple broke broke up this week ? broke broke up this week? >> no idea . >> no idea. >> no idea. >> i know, i know, it's. come on, lee fury and whatever her name is, and i'm really sorry. i don't know, but that's the couple. >> i'm afraid i can't give you that. you can't say anything. >> is that . is that fury the >> is that. is that fury the boxer? >> yeah. it's his. >> yeah. it's his. >> and someone else . >> and someone else. >> and someone else. >> yeah, >> yeah, >> i don't know who that is. i don't know her name, but i know it's all right. >> so the answer is social media influencers molly—mae and tommy fury . they ended their fury. they ended their relationship, apparently, according to that , you don't get according to that, you don't get anything for that. what? it's one or nada. they got it at home. they always do. they would have known that. all right , true have known that. all right, true or false. theresa may has has been announced in the new strictly come dancing line—up . strictly come dancing line—up. true or false? false pressure buzzer. you've only got another opfion buzzer. you've only got another option . option. >> false. >> false. >> no, don't do that. oh, true.

it's too late. i can only take your first answer. it is in fact false. but if you ever get true or false, it's between two people and one says false. you say true. just in case. don't ever say the same thing. otherwise, he's never done this before. >> i think it might be because of her dancing clip. you know she did. >> oh my god, yes. she can't go on for that. yeah. she can't. she couldn't do that. she couldn't do that. widows did though didn't she. premier league final question. question five. premier league football returned last night as manchester united beat fulham one nil. but who scored the only goal? was it a marcus rashford. b joshua zirkzee or c jadon sancho , either. sancho, either. >> the answer is b joshua. i saw that last night. >> strangely zirkzee and brighton won three nil today, so you know i'm happy to see jadon sancho the answer is joshua curtsy. well done. first time giving a round of applause. yayi very very good. well done to you. lots of you've been in touch with your views. janet

says that i think that starmer has been abysmal. correct. christine says fully costed nana non—doms. well, that's what they said i don't know. yes, i remember that fully costed nana non—doms . well, that's what they non—doms. well, that's what they said. this is about how they're going to spend the money. and then, oh, somebody says philip says sack the sound engineer. i said, no, we haven't got one. actually let's see. and finally, oh, no, somebody called you a name. they won't do that. yeah, and then gary says the guy on the right is right. the people are frustrated that nothing has been done about excessive immigration. nobody hears us. thank you very much for your comments, gbnews.com/yoursay. they're so clever. right? so on today's show, we've been asking the question we've been asking are there we go? do you believe there is a two tier policing approach to protests? according to our twitter poll, 95% of you say yes, 5% of you say no. i've

got to say a huge thank you to my panel. thank you so much to ivor caplin, ivor , thank you ivor caplin, ivor, thank you very much for joining ivor caplin, ivor, thank you very much forjoining me. and also the brilliant lee harris d harris. thank you very much. lee harris. thank you very much. lee harris used to be a great british voice. listen to him now. he's still a great british voice but he's on tv. he's onune voice but he's on tv. he's online and on digital radio like us on gb news. well listen there is loads more still to come. don't forget you can download the gb news app, check out all the gb news app, check out all the programmes for free or why not check us out on youtube. next up is the saturday five. i'll leave you with the weather forecast. see you tomorrow, 3:00. >> it looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello and welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office, sunny spells and fine weather continuing through this afternoon, but there will be some showers and it will be particularly breezy across the northwest of scotland. and that's due to this area of low

pressure and this squeeze of isobars giving particularly windy and gusty conditions. but further south it's a much quieter picture through the rest of saturday. so for the south—east plenty of hazy sunshine around. a couple of showers across western parts and particularly across northwest scotland. there will be showers continuing to feed through as well. breezy too here with that wind and over the hills, it's going to be feeling quite cool, but generally it's going to be a largely dry night. fairly but generally it's going to be a largely dry night . fairly fresh largely dry night. fairly fresh temperatures into the low double figures and maybe into the single figures in a few rural spots as well. so to start the day on sunday, lots of dry weather around , but further weather around, but further north it'll still be showers feeding in the far north—east of scotland may see some brighter skies to start off with, but we are going to hold on to these showers moving in from the west . showers moving in from the west. further south western parts again, seeing some early morning showers, but further east again, more in the way of sunshine. wales. there'll be a couple of showers over the hills , and most showers over the hills, and most of the south—east will be seeing a bright start to the day. on sunday there will be some clouds

continuing to bubble up through the day, but we do see those conditions beginning to settle down. any of these showers starting to melt away across the southwest and through wales, and any showers by the afternoon really being restricted to the far north of england and parts of scotland. and even here there'll be a little bit fewer and further between than we've seen through today. still breezy though , and not feeling though, and not feeling particularly warm with temperatures at best into the mid teens across scotland, but warmer further south and feeling quite pleasant in that sunshine. if we get to 25 degrees elsewhere through the rest of sunday, a largely fine and dry night, most places staying dry just a couple of showers still feeding into the far north—west it's all changed though, into the start of next week. rain arriving from the west on monday and staying unsettled as we head through the early part of next week. that's all from me. bye bye. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather

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