and this is gbn. tonight is hope and this is gbn. tonight is the relationship between unions and labour mps. a healthy one.7 it and labour mps. a healthy one? it emerged today that since the election. yes since the election was called in may, 213 labour mps received £18 million in donations from union leaders. this comes after the government has been offering inflation busting pay rises to millions of pubuc busting pay rises to millions of public sector workers, many of whom are members of unions, and it emerged today that the labour government is looking at a new law to ensure that trade unions will be free to strike, even if most of their members do not vote for one and a small, peaceful anti—immigration protest prompted officers from five different police forces, including the met, to swarm to bournemouth town centre. is this adequate resourcing or a knee jerk reaction? after the riots which followed the killings in southport? and as part of labour's plan to overhaul workers rights, employees

contacted outside of office hours may be entitled to compensation. but what will the right to switch off mean for businesses? or is this a sop to gen z workers who don't like being bothered by their bosses when they are chillaxing ? when they are chillaxing? all of that to come. so do get in touch with your thoughts on tonight's topics by going to gbnews.com/yoursay. but first, here's the news with sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> thank you chris. good evening from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 7:00 your top story this hour. british gone 7:00 your top story this hour . british tech tycoon mike hour. british tech tycoon mike lynch and his daughter are among six tourists missing after a luxury yacht sank in a tornado off the coast of sicily. the

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gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> welcome back. now there's been a slew of stories about labour mps benefiting from union's largesse since 2019. labour cabinet ministers have received over £480,000 in union donations. in addition, just since the election was called in may, 213 labour mps newly elected have received an amazing £18 million in donations from union leaders. is this a problem? well, it comes after labour has announced inflation busting pay rises for millions of public sector workers, many of public sector workers, many of them are in unions and the government is now reportedly looking at repealing trade union legislation from 2016 passed by the last conservative government, which will make it easier to go on strike. i'm joined now by former labour minister shaun simon. shaun, welcome to gb tonight. great to see you. thanks for coming on.

what do unions want in return for their money. >> they they want a labour government. that's why they fund labour election campaigns. i mean it averages at nine grand per elected mp. and let's just let's look at what a union is a unions are associations of millions of ordinary working people, generally not very rich people, generally not very rich people, just ordinary working people, just ordinary working people who explicitly opt in to contribute a little bit of the subs they pay for political campaigning for uses exactly like this. and it's very highly regulated and it's completely transparent. so those labour mps get an average of nine k each from these associations of workers who choose to do this with their hard earned cash, you will be hard pressed to find a tory mp who didn't get a lot more than nine k during the election campaign, from all kinds of people that nobody's asking any questions about just

because they don't happen to be trade unions. >> if a company boss gives 9000 or £20,000, because of course money comes from all over the place, is that different? a company boss has got an employees and is worried about taxation and other issues . taxation and other issues. unions are worried about employment rights. is it the same transaction ? same transaction? >> no, it's quite a different transaction because the union transaction because the union transaction and as i say, all a union is, is just millions of ordinary people clubbing together to have a bit more power and a bit more, a bit more clout than they have as individuals. and using a little bit of, you know, a load of people who earn 30 grand a year, don't get an opportunity to sponsor many mps, but if they each contribute a pound, a month to fund political causes and there are millions of them, then they can actually help fund labour candidates in election. a labour candidates in election. a labour candidates in elections traditionally far, far less well funded than conservative candidates. this election was the first one for a long time

when, during the election , when, during the election, labour actually got far more funds in than the tories did. but it wasn't mainly for the unions from the unions. this election was the first in many years when the union funding was a very small minority of labour funding. they got money from all over the place and but the tories didn't because everyone knew they were going to lose. >> when you and mp sean, did you get any donations from unions and what did they want in return? >> i did not, not as much as the sums that we're talking about here, but they used to have things then i think they were called constituency development plans, and it was something like a couple of grand a year would go to your local constituency. >> and as i say, it would be about trade unions, associations of normal, ordinary working people choosing to put to pool their money to support labour candidates and labour mps because they believe that labour government is always better for working people and the reason they believe that and the reason

they're prepared to put their money where their mouth is, is that it money where their mouth is, is thatitis money where their mouth is, is that it is it's true . that it is it's true. >> so what were you asked to do in return? were you asked to open an office in your constituency, meet with union reps, talk to them about advancing union issues in parliament. >> i was never asked to do anything in return directly. >> i was never asked to do anything in return that i wouldn't have done anyway. so i did meet. i did meet with union reps and listened to unions concerns, but i would have done that if they hadn't given £2,000 to the constituency . just as the to the constituency. just as the half of labour mps that haven't been funded during the election campaign will also be meeting trade unionists and listening to their concerns . and that's just, their concerns. and that's just, you know, that's that's good government. >> and is it right to draw a line between what the government's doing, pay rises for lots of unionised public sector workers , maybe repealing sector workers, maybe repealing tory legislation to make it easier to go on strike? i mean, we're all born in the real

world, aren't we, sean? i mean, money is being passed over. things are happening in government. or is that am i being overly cynical, cynical journalist ? journalist? >> i'm. >> i'm. >> it pains me to say so , but i >> it pains me to say so, but i think you might be christopher. i think you might be. i mean, let's let's look at that tory strike legislation. the truth is that we've had more strikes under the tories than we ever did under the previous labour government. ten times more more strikes last year under this , strikes last year under this, under the conservative governments than they had in france. and you know, that there's strikes have gone haywire when that's the case. and this labour government will get these strikes down. there's no doubt about that. and one of the ways they'll do that is just by making reasonable pay deals, again, with hard working people, pubuc again, with hard working people, public sector workers, who've been badly paid and squeezed at a really difficult time under the conservatives and who actually deserve a pay rise . actually deserve a pay rise. >> well, sean simon, thank you for joining us tonight on gbn

tonight to you first, nigel nelson is sean right? there's nothing wrong with this. it's all part of the democratic process. well, yes, i mean, the tories get it from big business. i mean, they want things to in return, don't they? well, they do they get peerages, i mean, but back in february , the two of but back in february, the two of the peers that rishi sunak , put the peers that rishi sunak, put forward, one had given the tory party £120,000, another one £35,000. >> that seems quite cheap for a peerage by the way, >> but but but they were denied all these things by the way, you can't buy peerages. >> yes, of course, of course not. absolutely, but the but it is a transaction. but the whole thing about labour is the clues are the name, it is the labour party and the labour movement. and it started with the trade unions and continues with them. >> do you have a problem with this ? mutaz eamonn from the this? mutaz eamonn from the telegraph i do. >> trade unions, they don't just give money, they help labour mps get selected . they help elect a get selected. they help elect a labour leader. get selected. they help elect a labour leader . they many labour labour leader. they many labour mps are former trade union reps. it's a revolving door and we act as if these unions represent

half the country. they represent 22% of the workforce. what about the other 78% who just want to get to work and are blocked by train strikes? who's representing them? i think it's a very strange setup. yes. the labour party was designed to be the political movement, political wing of the trade union movement. but the world has changed. no one's sweeping chimneys anymore, you know, workers rights are pretty much where they are, where they should be in the western world. it is just a very strange system. >> but the alternative would be the taxpayer funding it. i mean, do we want do we want ordinary people to actually pay through their taxes to fund political parties? we have to accept the money must come from somewhere. for the tories , it's for the tories, it's traditionally been business, been wealthy people and big business. for labour, it's traditionally been the trade unions because, as moutet says, that's how they started life. and they've continued with that kind of alliance. >> they pursue their agenda, don't they? in the same way. >> so, so, so both sides will

pursue an agenda. labour is there for what used to be the urban working class. now they call it working people. that's who the unions represent . who the unions represent. >> eberechi eze is a very important distinction here. businesses employ millions of people in this country. >> the unions represent them. >> the unions represent them. >> the unions don't employ anyone, but they represent people. but they have their own political agendas that are sometimes detached from their own memberships. >> well, i mean , i would imagine >> well, i mean, i would imagine that an employer may well have an agenda, a detached from his his employees. >> they want to grow their business and employ more people. i'm sure they do. >> but that's got nothing to do with politics, has it? they may choose to support the tories for whatever reason that they they think that there will be of a benefit, be of benefit. yes. and the unions do the same. the unions are representing people and employers interest is in growing their company and generating more wealth for the uk economy. >> a trade unions interest will last year it was blocking the uk economy, stopping people from going to work. >> the primary job of a trade union is to represent its members and to get the best deal possible for those members. trade unions tend to believe they will get a better deal, not

necessarily the best one. through through a labour government. that's why they support it. >> if they want to represent their members, why are they so against legislation that requires half their members to be in the room to vote for a strike that seems anti—democratic , because it's anti —democratic, because it's been anti—democratic, because it's been very difficult to call strikes. >> what you're talking about there is to make sure that more than 50% of people within a union actually vote one way, or the democratic one way or the other. well, i mean, i mean, the question is why the other people don't vote if they felt strongly enough about not striking, they would vote not to strike. well, clearly they don't feel strongly enough to strike in the same way that people don't feel strongly enough to vote for a government in this country, which is a great pity. >> right, nigel? are we heading towards a not a winter of discontent, but some years of spiralling wage inflation from these demands we've seen doctors 22%, train drivers, 14% public sector workers over three years, three years, five and five and 5 or 5 and five. i there's certainly more than inflation

each year as is forecast. >> well as inflation. i mean, it's not more than what it was because we're talking about pay claims that are going back to when inflation was 11%. so this is making up for a lot of that. i don't think you're seeing a huge you'll see a huge amount of wage inflation. but what you are seeing is proper deals which mean we'll get fewer strikes , mean we'll get fewer strikes, which is much better for the economy. >> we'll get fewer strikes by throwing tons of taxpayer cash at the 22%, and save tons of taxpayer cash by not having strangers look at wes streeting. right? i'm not saying it's directly connected, but he took money from trade unions to print leaflets during the election, and now we see an extraordinary pay and now we see an extraordinary pay rise for junior doctors. >> but he's not here to defend himself. no, he's not here. >> i'm not saying he's not related, but it raises eyebrows. i don't think these things are linked. >> i mean, i mean, the point about the pay deals they've come across, say, teachers and nurses, 5.5%, does that seem hugely unreasonable given the money that they've lost over the years, plus the inflation they've been going through that has settled a dispute simply by getting down and sitting down

and talking to them. >> everyone has suffered from that inflation, right . and other that inflation, right. and other pay that inflation, right. and other pay deals are ridiculous. you know, over 20% for junior doctors over two years is ridiculous . doctors over two years is ridiculous. there's a sense that this trade union money is skewing policy, that this this government is prioritising the 22% over the over the 78%. and that may be to the detriment of the uk economy. >> well, i mean, at the moment, fingers crossed we won't get any more strikes. i know that the, the train drivers want one small one, but nothing to do with this pay one, but nothing to do with this pay deal. >> that's eleanor. >> that's eleanor. >> that's eleanor. >> that's right . >> that's right. >> that's right. >> yes. well they worry about managers breaking the strike last time aren't they. >> that's right. yeah. i mean, last time round that they threatened the minimum service level, which has just been, which is about to be scrapped, and then the union turned around and then the union turned around and said, okay, we'll make a one day strike for five days. >> that's fine. taking a step back before we go to the break, is it wrong that labour looks like it's sorted? it's sorting out its supporters with pay rises and watering down anti striking legislation because it's meant to govern for the whole country. isn't it. >> yeah. that's right. and the, the argument is that they would

be doing just that. but if we go back then to the whole business of funding that the funding that a lot of labour funding, not the majority this time round, but a lot of it comes from the unions as a lot from the tories, from big business i until we actually change the funding model . yes, change the funding model. yes, you're left with it very quickly. >> there are two ways to stop strikes. one is to legislate against them, which is what the tories tried and the other is to throw tons of taxpayers right at them. >> the right one is cheaper than the other, absolutely cheaper than the other. >> we'll have to hold it there. >> we'll have to hold it there. >> go on strike during the break. but not now. thank you to my panel. up next was a police response to a recent protest in bournemouth. a knee jerk reaction. plus, is it ever right for a leading to take a back

soon? welcome back to gb views tonight with me, christopher hope. now police officers from five different forces patrol a small

anti—immigration protest in bournemouth yesterday, roughly 200 anti—immigration protesters were met by a similar number of counter—protesters like stand up to racism. dorset police said the demonstration was peaceful and that there were no reports of disorder. however, officers from dorset police were joined by colleagues from the met police , thames valley, police, thames valley, hampshire, avon and somerset, and devon and cornwall as part of a mutual aid agreement. dorset police were also granted extra powers to stop and search protesters and disperse individuals ahead of the rally . individuals ahead of the rally. is the strength of this police response. a knee jerk reaction to the disorder we've seen recently. in recent weeks , or an recently. in recent weeks, or an appropriate level of resourcing. joining me now to discuss this is the former minister and former mp for bournemouth west, sir conor burns . conor, welcome sir conor burns. conor, welcome to gbbn tonight. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> great to see you . was that >> great to see you. was that policing proportionate ?

policing proportionate? >> i think there's big questions about it in the end it was two relatively small groups engaged in sort of standoff with each other five forces, five different forces descending on bournemouth town centre to the to the town hall. i have to say, you know, local residents will be delighted to see police in bournemouth town centre. we've been trying for years to get the police onto the beat in bournemouth town centre to deal with the aggressive begging and the drinking, and the drug deaung the drinking, and the drug dealing and so on. but i did think it looked a little bit over the top . over the top. >> can you understand, though, why police are nervous ? because why police are nervous? because of what's been happening in those dozen or so towns and cities around england. and also we've seen trouble in northern ireland. they just want to make sure that the first whiff of it, they're straight in there to make sure nothing happens. >> well, there's trouble all the time in northern ireland. the police in northern ireland are

policing an imperfect peace with deep remaining sectarian divisions between a very divided community in northern ireland. i think there's sometimes a concern that there is an elevation of some of this by the police reaction and by political reaction, and i think it's really, really important in all of this that the police are evenhanded and appropriate in their response to all crimes, to all disturbances and to all protests , because it eats at the protests, because it eats at the integrity of the police. if the pubuc integrity of the police. if the public come to believe that there are different rules for different people in society . different people in society. >> well, conor, you're going towards that term two tier policing by saying that, aren't you? do you think there is or have you seen a two tier policing. would the would you had five forces going to police for example a pro—palestinian protest, to take one example, in recent months. >> look, i've seen some of these

demonstrations in london and i've seen things chanted things said placards, waved that i would imagine most people looking at them would think were incitement to hatred or indeed even violence. and the police have been standing, observing that. i'm not sure i want to get into the most recent ones with the so—called palestinian marches, but go back to the height of the covid restrictions. we had the former, head of the metropolitan police, you know , taking the knee with you know, taking the knee with officers too with much social distancing going on and yet clamping down amazingly strongly on on ordinary members of the pubuc on on ordinary members of the public going about their, their business, but allegedly not following the rather draconian restrictions. if the public start to believe that there is one set of rules for one people

and another for them, then you start to gnaw away at policing by consent. and that is the way in which our . in which our. >> i've got to ask you also about the conservative leadership contest . i think it leadership contest. i think it was lost. conor burns there with mikey. i'll ask you the question. nigel nelson, are you suddenly for the tory leadership? you're not arguing. there we go. no, just checking. >> unfortunately not. >> unfortunately not. >> kevin beinart is one of six candidates for the tory leadership. she didn't go to a hustings in north yorkshire. in yorkshire this weekend, five candidates did. is that okay? she's on a family holiday, which is. >> yeah. i is.— >> yeah. i mean, is. >> yeah. i mean, first of all, i do think that politicians should in fact have a holiday. they should spend time with their family. and i think it was hypocritical of the conservative party during the election to have a go at keir starmer as a part time prime minister, because he wants to spend friday nights with his family. i think

it's important for everybody. so because his wife's jewish and they observe the jewish rituals, yes, yes , but the idea, i mean, yes, yes, but the idea, i mean, i'm not sure he'll ever be able to get off at 6:00 in the evening after he's been in the job for a while. but anyway, i think he was quite right that he had aimed for that in the same way that kemi badenoch is perfectly entitled to a holiday, she should take it. it's a leadership contest. it's not that. it's not the end of the world. either way, whatever happens, because they're not going to be governing the country. so it's a matter for her. if she thinks it damages her. if she thinks it damages her leadership chances and doesn't care, forget it. >> i think we have lost conor burns. but let's have a look at what he said on twitter. he said, i'll read it out for our listeners on the radio that he would, he would text kemi badenoch from 6 am. until 11 pm. and she replied, kemi works hard and needs a break. her kids deserve that, as does hamish. i imagine hamish is the husband of kemi badenoch. is this right? are we you just want to chillax a bit. i'm afraid. i'm not worried about it. >> i'm tougher on politicians. i think if you want to be prime

minister at some point and there's a hustings on the way there, you should go to that hustings. especially if it's in the north, which is fertile ground for any future tory coalition. boris showed in 2019 the rewards you can get out of it. don't miss a hustings if you want to be prime minister, stay in the country, go and campaign. keir starmer could have taken a houday keir starmer could have taken a holiday after the general election, where he worked very hard , probably worked harder hard, probably worked harder than kemi badenoch because he was running as a leader. he couldn't take it because of the. he also hasn't taken a holiday this month. >> he's meant to be away. last week. that's right. yes, he spent time in downing street and chequers where there was, i think, a swimming pool. i haven't been there before, but i think you can have a nice time in bed. he was working in the uk. >> yeah, exactly. i mean, the whole thing is quite clearly he couldn't take a holiday. he had one planned. the riots came along. no way. a prime minister can can walk away from that. i mean mutters mentioned boris johnson, who loved holidays. he seemed to be on holiday all the time when he was prime minister. but but i just think that you

live up to your responsibilities. i don't think missing a hustings, frankly, is that important. no. >> boris johnson, it matters to tory members. i think as soon as tory members. i think as soon as tory members. i think as soon as tory members get a whiff of arrogance or complacency, they will turn. i mean, a lot of people think she's ahead in the leadership campaign, but there are others coming in the wing. robert jenrick is coming very fast. she might be overtaken as this goes on, but that's really sort of her problem, really. >> what she what she puts first, whether it's the tory leadership or her own family. >> but also conor burns said on x since the election i've realised how tired i was. politics is remorseless. are we expecting too much from our elected leaders? >> i mean , mps get lots of time >> i mean, mps get lots of time off, they get lots of recess, i won't break. you're saying couldn't she have picked another week, nigel? >> yeah. i mean, what the mps will tell you is that during the recess, they're working. really really hard in their constituencies, but, i mean , constituencies, but, i mean, obviously, if you want to be a politician, it is a 27, sorry, 24 over seven job. i understand that. no harm to have a break in

between when you can get it. i have to say that i do think politicians do work quite hard. okay, listen. >> well , okay, listen. >> well, nigel nelson and moutaz ahmed, thank you very much for joining us today on tonight on gpn tonight . coming up, labour's gpn tonight. coming up, labour's switch off plans could see an employer paying out to staff for contact them out of hours. i know it's off

next. welcome back to gbn tonight with me christopher hope. will workers free time finally be their own? the labour government wants to introduce a legal right not to be bothered so that staff can ignore bosses emails and texts and calls outside of normal office hours, including holidays. it's all part of labour's election pledge to give everybody a right to switch off for the first time ever. what do you do to stop your boss

bothering you out of hours? do let me know. gbnews.com/yoursay and i'll try and read out the most appropriate. joining me now is my panel gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and telegraph's associate editor moutaz ahmed. moutaz do you ever turn your phone off? >> i don't , i don't, but you're >> i don't, i don't, but you're a journalist, so you can't afford to. >> but if you work in a call centre or a job which doesn't involve being always on it for the information, you've got to normal, a more conventional job is right, isn't it, that you can turn your phone off? >> i think often if you work in a call centre, you probably can turn your phone off. you're answering calls all day and a lot of your business isn't done on a mobile phone. it's done on a telephone at work. i think if you want to work in banking, if you want to work in banking, if you want to be a senior journalist, if you want to work in a high functioning job that pays well in the end, you have to keep your phone off. i know this has been branded as a gen z thing. i'm gen z. i was born in 98. >> gen z is defined as being

born in 97 to 20 12 to 2012. >> look, take advantage of this, right? some of your colleagues might want a right to switch off at 5 pm. take advantage of it. the workplace is competitive. if you work longer hours, you're more likely to get a promotion. that's how it works. >> nigel nelson this idea is inspired by policies in france, where the right to disconnect has been enshrined in law since 2017. is it right, though, if you're if you're a young, thrusting young 20 something in the workplace, you want to be always on it and then talk to the boss and get good. it won't be compulsory. >> so you've got to connect up with your boss. that's fine. it depends what job you do. we work in use the three of us news goes on all the time. it would be ridiculous to think that we could ever leave our emails or a phone call alone, because we don't know what's going to happen next. same with emergency worker. but say you're working in a clerical job or a manual job. if it's absolutely 9 to 5 and your job is over by then, there's no reason why you should be contacted by your boss except in an emergency. and bear in

mind this is not you. it's not a criminal offence for bosses to do it. what labour are looking at is whether or not if a boss harassed an employee with loads of emails that they shouldn't have sent and it ended up as an unfair dismissal claim at a tribunal. the tribunal will take that into account within the compensation. >> so that's as far as it punished the employee employer with. yeah. if you're a working mum and your hours are really strict or you're working dad, you've got to be out by five to get the kids at six, then feed them this kind of thing is protection. >> well, no, negotiate that with your employer. right. most employers are sympathetic to these things. i think this is just another layer of red tape and bureaucracy. right? is an employer now going to feel nervous about contacting someone at 8 pm. if there is a crisis in the business? it depends what you call an emergency. an emergency fund employer might be losing £1000 or £2000 over something. will they then feel nervous about contacting someone? >> yeah, and that would be in this particular case, it would be an industrial tribunal. then.

then decide that, i mean, there are extremes here in portugal. it's an £8,500 fine. if you make contact with one of your employees outside office hours, you then go to the to the other end of the scale, ireland and all that. the employer has to do. there is put a little note at the end of the email saying, i'm sending this at a time of my choosing. you don't have to open it when you get back to work. it's fine, that kind of idea. so somewhere in between is where labour are going to start. >> mutaz let's start with covid work from home. i mean, you've confessed you're a gen z. yeah, is that because people nowadays, they they want to. they don't want to live to work . they want want to live to work. they want to work to live. your job is a way of getting cash to go and spend on avocados. >> it did start with covid. people are more relaxed about work. i'm able to come in here dressed like this because i think before covid i would have worn a three piece suit and i come in dressed casually. yeah i wearing a tie. >> i'm like, nigel, i've got rid of the tie since covid.

>> i think things like this don't hurt, but when it comes to legislation, you've got to be careful because it leads to ridiculous situations. i remember during the euros when england was playing spain, one of the spanish footballers was 17 years old. i think the spanish fa had to pay a fine because in germany a 17 year old shouldn't work after 8 pm. or something like that. >> and the game started at 9 pm. local time. >> exactly. so we need to be careful with laws because they often just lead to more red tape, more regulation. when these things are dealt with person to person, much better. >> well, the idea would be a contract between the employer and the employee. so the sensible way of doing it, i'm acas will come up with the form of words, the sensible way of doing it will be for a code of conduct within a workplace. so you know exactly where you stand. >> you mentioned acas tribunals. i mean does this help the working environment. >> will it damage productivity. the big thing which the tories talk about all the time, i think all unnecessarily and unnecessarily regulation damages

productivity. >> perhaps you might be happier. >> perhaps you might be happier. >> nigel nelson perhaps we know that the boss can't bother us after hours. we can just chill out. >> yeah. i mean, i probably get nervous if i wasn't getting emails and phone calls coming through, i'd be wondering what's going on, but yeah, i mean, for some people, if they've got a family life and they want to want to spend that uninterrupted, this is the best way forward . way forward. >> brutus. you agreed. >> brutus. you agreed. >> if i switch off at 5 pm. and i'm editing the pages of a papen >> yeah, we're different though. >> yeah, we're different though. >> we might. we might not use journalism. >> i mean, most people aren't journalists. most people do have jobs when they want to get into bosque and clear off. i'm down the pub. >> well, if you look, if you want a high functioning job, you're going to have to work long hours and you get paid for it. if you work at a hedge fund, sometimes you don't leave until 1 or 2 am. you get paid for it. if you want an easy life, pick another job. if you want an easy life, pick anotherjob. you get paid less. >> do you think, as muhtar says, there might be an advantage to let your co—workers sign up for the for the out of hours? not do not disturb sign? and then you you volunteer with your hand up.

you call me any time, boss. >> yeah, i'm sure you'll have that sort of office politics playing out, but you get that anyway. >> it's good. it's competition. i think some people will take advantage, but it won't be compulsory. >> i keep saying it doesn't mean you won't be allowed to send an email. >> i'm just saying if you want to take up this opportunity, beware. because some of your younger colleagues might be prepared to try and get ahead of you. >> yeah, exactly. to reply to those emails that happens in the workplace anyway, doesn't it? i mean, in all workplaces we are seeing a big change, aren't we, with labour government, a lot more employment rights. >> i mean, should is that a worry for employers who mutaz might say, well, it's always employers don't like anything that may may affect their profits. >> so i can't think of a single measure that's been brought in that they haven't sort of squealed about when the minimum wage came in. they were they were against that, as were the cbi. >> i mean, all in the cbi eventually came round. >> came round. yeah, but they were but they were originally against that. so the whole thing when it finally came in, it didn't cost the 2 million jobs that i think michael howard predicted. so on the basis of that, we get used to all this

new stuff coming in. i think people should should have rights at work. >> isn't nigel right? we've moved on from the thatcherite days of getting rid of employment rights. i mean, well, it's not really getting rid of employment. >> the world is changing and we live in a 24 hour world now. and profit is good and businesses should be able to maximise them. and anything that disrupts profits, we need to scrutinise profits, we need to scrutinise profit is good when it's shared. >> i'm going to pause you both. there out of out of office hours. with me now is the head of employment at pickering solicitors, joanna robson. joanna, thanks for joining solicitors, joanna robson. joanna, thanks forjoining us joanna, thanks for joining us tonight. do you mind being called out of hours? >> no, not at all. >> no, not at all. >> that's the job. no, no, absolutely not. no. it's. yeah, it's lovely to meet you, christopher. thank you for inviting me onto your show . inviting me onto your show. >> it's great to have you on. i mean, nigel nelson here is saying that really, employers who bring this in will just face paying who bring this in will just face paying out more in an employment tribunal . if they paying out more in an employment tribunal. if they break paying out more in an employment tribunal . if they break the tribunal. if they break the rules they're setting for themselves. it's really it's not really a problem in that sense

in terms of the right to time off. >> you mean the right to write to. yes. so in terms of that, there isn't going to be a standalone, right? i don't think of course, it's still very early days. we don't quite know yet what's going to happen, but or how it's how the code of practice is going to actually be drafted. but we are really you know, at this stage, i think we're we're believing that there's going to be no standalone claim. so i guess somebody could bring a claim and it could enhance the amount being paid out to an employee. if an employer falls foul of the law in terms of that right to write, to finish, you know, right to write, to finish, switch off from work . switch off from work. >> is it one that young people want to do? do you see in your your time and your legal practice? do you see it wanted by mutaz. and his studio, he mentioned gen z people, people born in 97 and 2012. is it younger people or are they the older dinosaurs like nigel nelson next to me? i think it's all ridiculous. i mean, is it a

generational issue? >> yes. i think there is a generational issue. i think younger people, they generally want to make a really good impression. so sometimes you find the younger workforce are the ones that actually want to really put their mark out there, and they really want to work longer hours, and that's going to, you know, it's going to be difficult for younger people to, you know , switch off, you know, you know, switch off, you know, younger people don't generally what they do. but but it's less often at, say, 18 year olds have family commitments , which is the family commitments, which is the work life balance, which labour is striving to achieve by reason of this new deal for working people to get that work life balance. >> yes, it has the approach towards work changed, do you think since the covid pandemic more people work from home? nigel won't wear a tie. mutaz is dressed for a nightclub. it's all different nowadays. >> yeah, absolutely . more people >> yeah, absolutely. more people work from home. i mean, a quarter of workers in the uk now they work. they work hybrid. so they work. they work hybrid. so they work. they work hybrid. so they work in the office. so they have a presence and they still

have a presence and they still have that team morale. but then you have, you know, there's a large proportion of people that do work from home. but in a way working from home can have its dangers as well, because you can be in an environment where you don't feel you're at work, you know, you could be working from the kitchen table, for example, so you're not necessarily aware that you're working and suddenly you've worked. you've clocked up 14 hours before you realise it. and then you're suffering from burnout, which is then leading to mental health problems. >> well , joanna robinson, thank >> well, joanna robinson, thank you for joining >> well, joanna robinson, thank you forjoining us. you're the you for joining us. you're the head of employment at pickering solicitors. great to have you here in a moment we'll go live to chicago where kamala harris is to be formally made the democratic presidential candidate, as the contest between her and donald trump up.

next. welcome back to gbn tonight with me, christopher. hope you've beenin me, christopher. hope you've been in touch in your well lot,

in touch with your views. i asked you to let me know what you do to stop your boss bothering you out of hours, fred says, i've had phone calls from my boss while laying in a&e. richard says even some of us at the bottom in quotes prefer to take responsibility too, and be kept in the loop. not often i agree with nigel, but he has it spot on tonight. one of your unnamed says story, same as usual. those who are more flexible will climb the ladder. those who don't won't. and the fourth viewer says a person unprepared to deal with an office work out of hours would most likely not be the sort of person to find themselves in that position in the first place. right? moving on. after weeks of uncertainty of who is going to take on donald trump today, the democrats will unveil their candidate to beat the former republican president, donald trump, kamala harris, at the democratic national convention in chicago will be unveiled later tonight. it's running from today until

thursday. now, this evening, this evening, president biden will give an emotional address where he will urge delegates to get behind kamala harris . later get behind kamala harris. later this week, we'll hear from from former president barack obama and bill clinton. i'm very pleased to be joined right now by the former democratic presidential hopeful jason palmer. jason, thank you for joining us tonight on gb news. you are planning to stand. you are great to see you. you are planning to stand against joe biden. are you happy you've got kamala harris ? kamala harris? >> absolutely. actually, when i look back to 2019, kamala harris was the first candidate that i donated to, and the main reason i entered the race was because i thought biden should pass the torch to a younger generation of leaders, and that's exactly what he's done. and that's why there's this huge outpouring of energy from everyone in the democratic party, from independents. i saw more republicans actually coming out today and endorsing kamala as well. >> and do you think they should get out? well, i mean, there are

people who think that she she won't do that well against donald trump in these key tv debates, which seem to set so much of the temperature now in the us, i think it's actually going to be tough. >> both the debates and the actual election. you know, polls keep coming out every day and it has kamala up by 2 or 3 percentage points. sometimes trump is up by1 percentage points. sometimes trump is up by 1 or 2 percentage points. it's a nail biter. it's a very close election. and i do think that that debate that's coming up in september is going to be a crucial, crucial deciding factor . deciding factor. >> we're sitting here in the uk watching agog while this this election campaign ramps up on our application to join a campaign team, kamala harris has offered nine different pronoun options. is that necessary? >> that's not an issue that i really lean into. i've been more excited about the fact that she's talking about small businesses. the economy, about freedom. like, these are the values that animate me. i'm a purple candidate. i'm a democrat by background, but i'm running

an organisation called together now that's endorsing both democratic and republican candidates and independents for office. so i love that she's leaning into some of the republican messaging and issues as well. >> we've got some of those pronouns on the screen now. tim walz has been announced as kamala harris's running mate. is he the right choice? he kind of helps to deal with those people who may want to go towards trump again , again, >> tim walz wasn't someone that i knew very well when she announced him. i was more of a josh shapiro kind of guy for the small business economic growth reasons i was just talking about. but now that i've gotten to know him, i've seen him speak. he's actually quite a compelling character. you know, he's a little bit like it's like having coach on the team, and that gets people excited that care a lot about sports and care a lot about winning . a lot about winning. >> jayson molumby do you worry, though, that we are seeing the honeymoon of the early days of kamala harris being selected by the party, and she hasn't really faced any kind of real battle. she's not doing many tv

interviews , for example. as you interviews, for example. as you know, she's been hidden away at some point , you've got to get some point, you've got to get her out there and face a bit of enemy fire. and will she wilt or will she survive? >> i do agree with you on that. i've been encouraging that she should be out there doing those interviews every single day, especially prior to the debate. i mean, this is why one of the reasons why biden did so poorly in that debate is they were protecting him. they were not letting him be out there. they were not letting him work on his weaknesses. we need to make sure kamala gets out there. and i do agree with you. this is something that she needs to do much more of in advance of the debate. and this is kind of a honeymoon period. that's why i do think this is going to be a close election all the way up to the finish line. i'm focusing on getting out younger voters. i think younger voters are going to turn the tide in this election, and that's where my focus is. >> and jason palmer, just finally, i mean, tonight will be an emotional night. you've got joe biden speaking to delegates. he'll be saying why he stood aside on account of his age. and, you know, and some would say infirmity. i mean, will there be an emotional evening

tonight in chicago for you? >> i do think it will be. i mean, i voted forjoe biden four mean, i voted for joe biden four years ago, but i was also one of the earliest people to stand up and say he should pass the torch. he's reached a certain age where he's done a great job, but he needs to move on. and, you know, i do hope that the entire convention honours him. i do think he will get a standing ovation, but i do think we're also ready to turn the page and move on to the tuesday programming. >> okay. listen, jason palmer, thank you for joining >> okay. listen, jason palmer, thank you forjoining us. and thank you for joining us. and let battle commence between harris and trump. now coming up next is state of the nation, all the way from god's own county of somerset. jacob made me write that at the weekend. jacob, welcome to westminster. well, are you in your drawing room? there >> absolutely, yes. i'm here with william sitwell, who will be joining me for the program. and mainly we're going to be focusing on how labour is featherbedding its own supporters, giving lots of money to its friends, to the unions who funded its election campaign . who funded its election campaign. >> jake, i've got to ask you about what you said at the

weekend to the podcast and comedian matt ford. you said in quotes you are strongly thinking about standing again to be an mp. now it's just you, me talking. no one's watching or listening. is that right? are you going to stand again in 2028 or 2029? >> well, i added the important caveat that i'd have to find somebody to select me . but i somebody to select me. but i loved being a member of the house of commons and serving my constituents, and i would be very interested in in getting back at some point. but we'll have to we'll have to wait and see. but certainly it's something i'm thinking about and thinking about very seriously. >> would you stand in this? i know your seat was wrapped up at the last election, but whether the last election, but whether the north east somerset seat is and you live in your seat would you stand there and try and beat labour's dan norris? he'll a majority of over 5000. last month. >> well, there were huge swings at the last election and interestingly the polls on this current government and on its satisfaction ratings have collapsed in the last, whatever, six weeks. so i wouldn't take

these vote shares as being absolutely set in stone. they're not as if they've been handed to moses. so i'll have to see and we'll have to see if i can be selected somewhere. >> okay. look, state of the nafion >> okay. look, state of the nation with jacob rees—mogg, live from god's own county of somerset is up next. but first, here comes the weather with alex burkill . burkill. >> it looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. very good evening to you. here's your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office . plenty of the met office. plenty of showers as we go through tomorrow and some blustery gusty winds too. but before then there's a lot of cloud . there's there's a lot of cloud. there's a lot of rain because of a frontal system that's already made its way in from the west. and as we go through the next 12 hours or so, it's going to continue to push east and south eastwards, bringing quite a wet story across many parts of england and wales for a time. with that rain feeding into the southeast. as we go through the

early hours of tomorrow morning behind it, there will be some clear skies around, but also some showery bursts, especially across parts of scotland. temperatures not dropping a huge amount. in fact, in the southeast it is going to be another warm night, some places only falling to lows of around 17 or 18 celsius as we go through tomorrow morning, though, there will be some hefty rain across the far east of scotland and the northern isles. also, plenty of showers feeding into western parts of scotland into western parts of scotland in between . something a little in between. something a little bit drier and brighter for some, but also more showers across northern ireland. some parts of northern northwestern england and in fact down the western side of england and wales. there will be some showers feeding in something a little bit drier and sunnier for more central eastern parts of england , although in parts of england, although in the far southeast that front will be lingering here for a time. so a grey, damp start to the day for some before that front clears away by the afternoon behind it. for many, it is going to be a showery day, and some of those showers will be heavy and there are some gusty, blustery winds to watch out for too, especially in the

northwest, making it feel a little bit cooler for some. but there will also be some sunny spells. and in the east southeast in the sunshine, feeling quite warm with temperatures in the low to mid 20s. wednesday gets off to a fine start for many of us, but some very wet and windy weather is going to feed in from the northwest as we go through the day, particularly affecting scotland and perhaps northern ireland too. now the rain is going to be quite heavy and will last as we go into thursday, and it's all due to the remnants of what was hurricane ernesto, the other side of the atlantic. i'll see you again soon. bye bye. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg. live from god's own county of somerset on state of the nation. tonight, the labour party, the self purported

party of service, has shown its true colours of cronyism. news this weekend has revealed that cabinet ministers received nearly half a million pounds from the unions before offering them massive pay rises . them massive pay rises. meanwhile, has the home office breached international and domestic law by referring to more than 1000 people who were arrested as criminals, potentially breaching the right to the presumption of innocence. the labour party's obsession with the workers right to be an idler could lead to the end of the office party, to not mention the office party, to not mention the risk that the policy could cost firms thousands in compensation claims. there'll be much more to get into than all that. and just remember in somerset, where the sun shines brighter, the television is also twice as invigorating as anywhere else. somerset refreshes the part other counties cannot reach. state of the nation starts now .