will labour ramp it immigration will labour ramp it back up again? also tonight a violent killer is walking free because prisons are overcrowded with people who posted nasty stuff on social media. sinner your suzan holder will starmer allow eu free movement for the under 30s and down the hatch ? under 30s and down the hatch? >> it's so unoffensive honestly , >> it's so unoffensive honestly, it's actually nice . it's actually nice. >> ooh tv fitness guru joe wicks sparks disgust as he downs his wife's breast milk. >> that's why i think after that result today, you kind of look at it and you don't know where to how to feel . to how to feel. >> match of the day and one show host jermaine jenas is sacked by the bbc. if you don't like my family a brand new day you probably don't like me. >> is that because i'm a gypsy ? >> is that because i'm a gypsy? >> is that because i'm a gypsy? >> should gypsy kids be forced to go to school and find out why? ricky gervais has gone to

war with sadiq khan on my panel tonight it's express columnist patrick o'flynn. ex—tory london mayoral candidate susan hall and ex—labour advisor matthew laza. oh, and what's wrong with this depiction of edward the sixth? get ready britain, here we go . get ready britain, here we go. keir starmer is about to open the floodgates . next. the floodgates. next. >> good evening. it's 9:01. i'm cameron walker here in the gb newsroom. the bbc presenter jermaine jenas , says he's not jermaine jenas, says he's not happy about being sacked from the bbc and that there are two sides to every story. the former footballer was sacked from presenting the one show and match of the day after alleged

complaints about his behaviour, which were subject to an internal investigation by the corporation. a bbc spokesperson says we can confirm that he is no longer part of our presenting line—up. meanwhile, his agency, mc saatchi, no longer represents him. jenas is understood to be speaking to lawyers about the issue. two people have been injured after a stabbing at the chessington world of adventures theme park near london, with one taken to a major trauma centre. police were called just after 2:30 pm. this afternoon and found a man in a car park with knife wounds, and another found on a nearby road with minor injuries. a third man has been arrested on suspicion of grievous bodily harm, and police believe that all of the men are known to each other. nobody else is thought to be involved. figures shown to gb news revealed that the number of visas issued to work dependants was down 50% between april and june. this year, compared to the previous three months. 35,603 work dependant visas were handed out in the last quarter , out in the last quarter, compared to 71,583 between

january and march of this year. that's a fall of over 35,000. a senior labour mp is demanding the government answers why the person who killed a newcastle teenageris person who killed a newcastle teenager is being released early. gordon gault was 14 when he died in hospital six days after he was attacked with a blade in elswick in november 2022. lawson nato was sentenced to two years, eight months for manslaughter and unlawful wounding, but is due to be released after serving just 40% of his jail term. the government's plans to release some prisoners, including nessie, early to free up prison capacity, but the newcastle mp chukwurah warns, wants an explanation from the ministry of justice. a romanian court has decided internet personality andrew tate should be placed under house arrest. prosecutors have requested that tate be detained for 30 more days after he was among six people taken into custody in an investigation into custody in an investigation into human trafficking and sexual exploitation. andrew tate denies all the allegations levelled against him and a drug

found to slow down. alzheimer's has been given the green light for use in britain ,. but it may for use in britain,. but it may not be rolled out on the nhs because it costs too much money. the charity alzheimer's research uk has urged the health secretary to step in, warning it would only be available to those who could afford to pay privately. the national institute for health and care excellence, which provides national health advice, says the benefits are too small to justify the costs with those of the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm cameron walker. now it's back to patrick for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> will labour shatter any progress the tories made on immigration? there were 11% fewer worker visas granted than last year, 26% fewer health and care visas, 13% fewer study

visas. james cleverly was taking all the credit. >> this is what i achieved when i was home secretary because i made the difficult decisions and sadly, what we have seen since labour have taken over is that they are reversing a number of those decisions. they are easing the visa restrictions that i put in place. >> maybe, just maybe , we turned >> maybe, just maybe, we turned a corner. but immediately the rumours start that labour will reintroduce free movement of people for under 30s across europe, and it looks like the architect of theresa may's brexit surrender, olly robbins, could become head of the civil service. well, it looks a lot like free movement could be on the table now when it comes to labour's negotiations with the eu going forward on illegal immigration. well, in the year ending june 2024, there were 38,784 detected irregular arrivals. that was 26% fewer than in the year ending june 2023. now, 81% of those arrived

by small boat, but now there's no rwanda deterrent. and here's the killer number. okay, a total of 118,882 people were waiting for an initial decision on their asylum application in the uk. by the end of june this year. so that's a large number of people that's a large number of people that 118,000 people. okay under this labour government, all of them will be allowed to try to claim for asylum. now, even if they came here illegally. the highest number of small boat arrivals came from afghanistan, iran, vietnam, turkey and syria. the only place we can realistically send people back to en masse is vietnam. our home secretary and prime minister have said nothing about today's immigration figures that i've seen. is that because they know that they'll get a lot higher under their watch? let's get the thoughts of my panel this evening. i've got columnist and political commentator patrick o'flynn and chair of the london assembly police and crime committee, susan hall, and

former labour party adviser, as well . matthew laza patrick, i'll well. matthew laza patrick, i'll start with you . do you think start with you. do you think that any gains that might have been made there from the conservatives will be immediately undone by labour? >> i think we're being far too generous on the conservative party, to be honest. they're talking about falls in certain categories. there was still well over a million visas issued to foreign nationals to come and live in britain. long term, under their final year , the only under their final year, the only reductions are relative to the even more astronomically appalling figures, again in breach of their manifesto commitments in the previous two years before that. so james cleverly has got a lot of gall to claim that he's this great migration sceptic hero. the numbers he presided over are still absolutely catastrophic for the whole country. now will laboun for the whole country. now will labour, exceed them and put them up again? i certainly think labour lacks the appetite to bnng labour lacks the appetite to bring immigration down to

anything like the level that most voters would like to see it at, but they'd be going some to exceed the tory aggregate level over the last three years. so i think a plague on both their houses. i think you're right that they might lean towards some version of free movement, which would go against the spirit of their own election pledges. they're clearly not going to remove many asylum seekers. they've allowed the people who were banned under the illegal migration act, which they've dumped to then come onto they've dumped to then come onto the asylum register. this is all terrible, but i don't think the tories are in any position to lecture the new government. >> particularly happy about it. fair enough. okay, susan, i want to zone in now on this 118,000 people who are still awaiting a first decision on their asylum applications. this isn't even subject to appeals yet. all of those now will be given the opportunity to at least apply for asylum under labour. how do you see that going , you see that going, >> well, none of it's gone very well. i do think you're being

very harsh on james, because things were beginning to be, reversed, if you like. and obviously we didn't have the opportunity to continue to do that. opportunity to continue to do that . we also had another we that. we also had another we also we also had a deterrent in place and we haven't got a deterrent anymore. the people that are looking to go for asylum are a third of them are the ones that have come over on the ones that have come over on the boats. we have got to stop people coming over on the boats. labour came into power saying, oh, they're going to smash all the gangs and everything. well, if it was that easy, we would have done it. it's not that easy. so they've come in saying they're going to deal with it all. let's wait and see. but i actually don't think they will. the one thing i do know, we have got far too many people coming into the country, and that is why we have got so much civil unrest at the moment. and it will get worse. it really will get worse. >> okay , so you think actually >> okay, so you think actually civil unrest will get worse as a result of this level of

immigration? i mean, with that in mind, matthew, do you think that labour will actually do anything to tackle immigration? i mean, we've got these figures today. it will be very easy for the tories, as james cleverly is doing, to at least try to spin it, that we were turning a corner. we were turning a bit of a corner. you know, labour could be playing with fire here if they, if they don't do anything about it. >> well, james can spin it however much he likes, but let's just separate the two for a minute. on legal migration. it's not like illegal migration obviously is they have to react to. but you don't control it on legal migration. you control it. what happened is after brexit, basically the tories with their hands on the levers of power not being able to blame brussels anymore, basically introduced an insane legal migration policy, which is what allowed hundreds of thousands of dependants to come in. and what james cleverly did was to reverse some, not all, of the mistakes that they had made . once brexit had had made. once brexit had delivered the tories their hands onto the levers on illegal migration. what we've seen is the tories were doing effectively what they did a fast track system, which meant that more applications were being

processed, but that the destruction of rwanda has meant that the total has now crept up again. we cannot have 100,000 plus people sitting around the country, many of them in hotels, while their applications are processed, because for the first time that i can remember, when a set of immigration figures come out, we don't have a serving prime minister or home secretary commenting on those. >> and i just wonder why that is. >> well, i think it's because labour would prefer to talk about other things. i mean, they got through the election, and immigration historically has been a terrible weakness for the labour party. the conservatives gifted them a free pass through the election by, as matthew was, was summarising very fairly the ludicrously liberal legal migration and dependence policy. i think labour knows that it hasn't got the political to will deliver sort of stringent cuts to migration , or to deal to migration, or to deal effectively with illegal immigration. so they would

really prefer to let this just wash through and focus on other things. i mean, i think the missing piece here is reform reform undoubtedly wouldn't have got anything like 4 million votes had the conservatives delivered either on reducing legal migration or effectively tackling illegal migration. and you know, rwanda was always a chimaera. it never actually took shape. it should have been given a chance to . but labour labour a chance to. but labour labour doesn't want to tackle illegal immigration. >> and it does. patrick. but in rwanda wasn't the way. it wasn't the way to do it. i mean, for example, did you know that under the tories the deportation of convicted foreign criminals fell by a fifth across their 14 years in office? so one of the things that the government is going to concentrate on is, is, is repatriate is deportations. and so in the first week of the government, you mentioned vietnam there, the first week of the government, a plane was full going to vietnam, and it was the plane was sitting on the tarmac from rwanda. >> i do think, and i hope i'm not talking out of turn here, but i do think that whilst

people generally i'm not speaking for everyone here, but whilst people generally would like to see a reduction of all illegal immigration and that includes people who might be working in nail bars or working at car washes and things. i think people do have more of a concern about the fact that right now, in dunkirk, there are both sides of the sudanese civil war and they are currently fighting each other. we had an exclusive on this at the moment, and they are actually trying to come to britain. and i think those are the people that this labour government does not appear to yet have a plan to deal with. >> yeah. which is why they are not coming out and saying anything. the other problem, i think, is i don't think they truly understand the feeling in the country of the problems that immigration is bringing to some places , especially places that places, especially places that are poorer areas. i don't think, i don't think starmer understands he calls everybody far right and the rioters are wrong. there's no question they should not be rioting. absolutely. but there's a depth of feeling there in the country where people are absolutely fed

up.andi where people are absolutely fed up. and i don't think a lot of politicians, mainly the labour politicians, mainly the labour politicians , understand that. politicians, understand that. they just don't understand why some people, very many people in our country, are so fed up with things as they are . things as they are. >> but you must have been incredibly frustrated, susan, with your own party, because realistically, there were 14 years. and, you know, one of the major reasons why the tories got such a kicking and reform got so many votes was because of the immigration issue. and it's all very well and good for us to sit here now as we are doing and saying, well, maybe james cleverly was turning a corner and there may be some truth to that, but it didn't need to get to that stage, did it? >> no, i'm very sad that it has got to that stage because people are taking to the streets and they're getting themselves into trouble beyond the ones that are really dreadful , because their really dreadful, because their frustration of nobody doing anything about what they know is causing problems within the country. and that's why politicians of all colours need to actually start to understand why so many of the public, so

many britons, are so fed up with the situation we're in now. >> and we had so when the, you know, riots and protests or whatever were taking place, starmer did not want to mention that word immigration, and he didn't want to mention it, as we've since found out, the reason that he didn't want to provide any legitimacy to the idea that that's why these people were doing these things . people were doing these things. okay. but now we've had these immigration figures out again today, and they're not commenting on those either. and i just wonder if it raises serious questions about whether or not they even want to do anything about it, >> i think it certainly does. and i couldn't agree more with susan , and particularly in many susan, and particularly in many of the red wall towns, a lot of the channel migrants put up in hotels in in more deprived areas for economic reasons. the hotels are cheaper. a lot of those communities have got the bad end of mass legal immigration where where they've got ethnic minority communities have sprung up with very high welfare dependency rates , competing for dependency rates, competing for social housing, which is under

resourced anyway, and suspicions of cultural incompatibility, for instance, with with the grooming gangs across various former mill towns in lancashire and yorkshire. so there is a pent up and quite understandable feeling of immense frustration. >> just final word to you on this , matthew, because this ties this, matthew, because this ties in with what we're going to be talking about next, because actually, the other kind of announcement that never quite was to today was about this idea of, of eu freedom of movement for the under 30s. now i don't want to tar every single under 30 with the same brush, but one would imagine that the vast majority of them have not had the chance to amass a huge amount of personal wealth, yet maybe would not be coming over here and buying their own properties, etc. it to me screams of young people who would come in en masse, occupy the lower end of the rental and housing market and maybe the lower end of the labour market, as well. and i look at these figures now and i think, isn't that the opposite of what we need? >> no, because i mean, if you talk to employers, i mean, one thing we need to do is have a

genuine national conversation about immigration. you know, we heard today from care home owners that they're worried under the under what what what happened already under the reductions we've seen today, they're not going to be able to staff those care homes. the scheme that's been mooted is to do a similar. it's not to reduce free movement. it's to do a similar thing for european young people. that's both british people. that's both british people going to the mainland europe and vice versa, as we have done for decades with aussies and kiwis, which is allowing a certain number of people to come , both ways, which people to come, both ways, which is what we do, you know, we all know people in their in their 20s who've gone to australia and new zealand on, on work visas. it's two years. so i mean, whether it's two years or three years, i don't think it makes a massive difference. >> i think it's a distinction without a difference. in fact, under free movement, the vast majority of european nationals coming here were in the 20 to 30 age age bracket . so it might not age age bracket. so it might not contradict the letter of keir starmer saying i'm not being about free movement, but in effect it's 90. >> but crucially, a lot of them, most of them went home and this is the hospitality industry lobbying , vested interests,

lobbying, vested interests, crushing the whole spirit of brexit, which was about allowing working class wages to rise. >> right. and the labour party of all parties. >> well, this is this is the perfect point to just round us off here because we're having a debate on that shortly, actually. but coming up, joe wicks has sparked disgust by downing his wife's breast milk downing his wife's breast milk down the hatch . down the hatch. >> it's so unoffensive honestly , >> it's so unoffensive honestly, it's actually nice . it's actually nice. >> it's not acceptable behaviour. journalist ella whelan and former labour party activist sue destroyed are on either side of that debate. they're going to clash very soon. but up next, as the government reportedly plans to relax free movement restrictions in a reset of eu relations will starmer reverse brexit by the back door? i mean , he's a master back door? i mean, he's a master negotiator, isn't he? we've already seen the fact that he's capitulated to the union. so what on earth will he do to the european union ? deputy leader of european union? deputy leader of rejoin eu richard morley goes head to head with former environment secretary ranil jayawardena is live in this

next. welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now coming up, why is joe wicks drinking his wife's tonight. now coming up, why is joe wicks drinking his wife's breast milk? we debate whether breast milk? we debate whether the fitness gurus latest fad is the fitness gurus latest fad is just plain wrong . but first, just plain wrong . but first, just plain wrong. but first, have labour fired the starting just plain wrong. but first, have labour fired the starting gun and the reversal of brexit? gun and the reversal of brexit? it's time now for our head to it's time now for our head to head. head.

it's time now for our head to head . ministers are preparing to head. ministers are preparing to relax freedom of movement it's time now for our head to head . ministers are preparing to head. ministers are preparing to relax freedom of movement restrictions as labour begins restrictions as labour begins its reset of eu relations. so its reset of eu relations. so the policy would grant 18 to 30 the policy would grant 18 to 30 year olds visas for up to three year olds visas for up to three years to work, study or years to work, study or volunteer in the uk with a volunteer in the uk with a reciprocal agreement for young reciprocal agreement for young britons. apparently, labour has britons. apparently, labour has since insisted it has no plans since insisted it has no plans to agree to a youth mobility to agree to a youth mobility scheme, but ministers have scheme, but ministers have reportedly conceded that they do reportedly conceded that they do need to give ground to allow for need to give ground to allow for a broader reset of relations. a broader reset of relations. but is this the first step on a but is this the first step on a labour plan to actually reverse labour plan to actually reverse brexit by stealth? going head to brexit by stealth? going head to head on this, i'm joined now by head on this, i'm joined now by the deputy leader of rejoin eu, the deputy leader of rejoin eu, richard morley, former tory mp richard morley, former tory mp ranil jayawardena. shapps thank ranil jayawardena. shapps thank you very, very much, ronald . you very, very much, ronald you very, very much, ronald. i'll start with you. is starmer trying to take us back into the eu via the back door here? >> well, it's certainly true that so many labour and liberal mps do want us to go back into the eu. and fundamentally that sort of left wing coalition, will do everything they possibly

ranil jayawardena. shapps thank you very,afternoon's ronald ranil jayawardena. shapps thank you very, afternoon's statement and this afternoon's statement seems to comply with that, >> so do you think he should, though, because they have had also the follow up to that? and i will just we'll just counter that, richard, by saying that we were also told that we wouldn't be releasing violent offenders, for example, in this prison release . and today, someone release. and today, someone who's killed someone is being released. so, you know , there's released. so, you know, there's quite a lot of all saying one thing and doing another. it is sir flip flop we're dealing with here, richard. >> well, i think keir starmer has made his point very clear that he's not going to accept the youth mobility scheme, but of course, he wants other things from the european union . he from the european union. he wants a veterinary agreement and he wants british professional qualifications to be recognised on numbers and so on. and so what will british] is he wants british professional qualifications to be recognised in europe. these are things in europe. these are things which are on the negotiating which are on the negotiating table at the moment. and europe table at the moment. and europe has replied, okay, well we want has replied, okay, well we want something too. and the thing something too. and the thing that europe has asked for is the that europe has asked for is the youth mobility scheme and that youth mobility scheme and that would help both countries. it would help both countries. it would help both countries. it would help both countries. it would help both the eu and would help both the eu and britain, because i do know that britain, because i do know that

a very large percentage of young a very large percentage of young people are seriously wanting to people are seriously wanting to be able to have the be able to have the opportunities that their parents opportunities that their parents had a short time ago to be able had a short time ago to be able to go and live and work in to go and live and work in europe for short periods of time , europe for short periods of time , europe for short periods of time, if that's what's required under europe for short periods of time, if that's what's required under the mobility scheme. but they the mobility scheme. but they want to get the experience. want to get the experience. europeans, meanwhile, want to europeans, meanwhile, want to come here to get the language come here to get the language experience. but of course, experience. but of course, england english is the england english is the international language and many, international language and many, many people want to be able to many people want to be able to come here to learn it properly. come here to learn it properly. >> okay. all right. so basically >> okay. all right. so basically you obviously and fair enough . you obviously and fair enough . you obviously and fair enough. you think we should do this? all you obviously and fair enough. you think we should do this? all right, ronald, i take it you right, ronald, i take it you think we shouldn't do this. why think we shouldn't do this. why not? >> yeah, i mean, look, one thing not? >> yeah, i mean, look, one thing i will say is we have youth i will say is we have youth mobility schemes with other mobility schemes with other countries like australia. and in countries like australia. and in principle, more mobility schemes principle, more mobility schemes are entirely possible. but the are entirely possible. but the problem here is that this is a problem here is that this is a proposal that would hand the eu proposal that would hand the eu control again. and it's an eu control again. and it's an eu wide deal, no matter who's in wide deal, no matter who's in the eu in the future , no control the eu in the future , no control the eu in the future, no control the eu in the future, no control on numbers and so on. and so on numbers and so on. and so

what will happen is what will happen is we'll end up flooding the labour market here in the uk with cheap labour. now it might be because folks want to learn english, but it might also be because there are lots of good jobs here in this country that people want to get. and i think we should make sure that there is the ability for british people to be able to get those jobs. and for our wages, not to be depressed by cheaper labour from outside. so i think that's the real risk here, that it's totally out of our control if the government agrees to that. >> okay, richard, so how would you respond to that then, that even if we did this, what could happen might really seriously happen might really seriously happenis happen might really seriously happen is that we end up flooding the cheaper end of the labour market and also as well really clogging up the lower end of the housing market as well . of the housing market as well. >> well, i wish what the gentleman has just said would be more accurate , because i do know more accurate, because i do know from my own constituency and all those people that we were in contact with during the election, that there is enormous

difficulty, particularly amongst the hospitality industry and the farming industry , to find enough farming industry, to find enough ordinary workers, particularly seasonal workers, to carry out the functions that are necessary . the functions that are necessary. and this is traditionally what the eu workers supplied. and those industries are in real trouble. now, of course, the taking away of jobs which are highly skilled is a different issue. but the majority of workers that come from the eu under this short term youth mobility scheme would be working in seasonal jobs or in restaurants and things . do you restaurants and things. do you know that young people, they don't particularly want to go and work in a restaurant or a hotel in the country where they live? they don't find it so interesting, but they all wouldn't mind going to work in hotel. >> no, sorry , richard, but they >> no, sorry, richard, but they also don't want to pick fruit in also don't want to pick fruit in a field near boston in skegness, because having been there to go and actually see the kind of people that are picking fruit in those fields, they are overwhelmingly bulgarian and overwhelmingly bulgarian and overwhelmingly from the

bulgarian roma community. they are not the 20 to 30 year olds that we are talking about here. so this idea that they're going to just engage in seasonal fruit picking is for the birds. that is not what's going to happen. the hospitality sector. yes, maybe. possibly, but it is . it's maybe. possibly, but it is. it's factually inaccurate to say that they're all going to go out and, you know, pick british veg isn't it. >> no, i mean it.— >> no, i mean i'm it. >> no, i mean i'm coming from a position of being in the hospitality industry for 30 years. and i have seen the way that it's becoming increasingly difficult to find workers to fill very essential roles, to keep the businesses going. i'm suffering myself. and so too are a lot of other businesses in my sector. fine. >> so, so , ranil. then on that >> so, so, ranil. then on that note, it looks as though if we take this to its natural conclusion, instead of keir starmer doing the perhaps slightly more difficult job of actually trying to get british people to go and fill those jobs, he'll just suckle at the teat of mass eu migration again. >> well, sadly, that is the trade off. you know, there are millions of folks in this country who would like to work, and there are also plenty of

people who could work and are currently choosing not to work, andifs currently choosing not to work, and it's important we continue to tackle that use of welfare, which is not right. and the only way we do that is if the jobs are available for them. but i would just take issue with this idea that there are no people available to fill the jobs because there are seasonal agricultural worker schemes, for example , in supporting the example, in supporting the picking the fields that doesn't need the youth mobility scheme. there is capacity within the existing points based system to make sure that certain jobs are filled when they are needed, so we don't need this scheme to fill jobs. this is actually a choice for the government, and it's whether they want to allow the labour market to be flooded with cheaper labour and to therefore starve british people ofjobs therefore starve british people of jobs themselves. >> could i just have? i appreciate this is a big question, but i would like a yes or no on this from you just to see where we're at. okay, so richard, if we have ten years of a starmer government, do you think if you were a betting man, do you think yes or no that we

will find our way back into the european union under keir starmer ? starmer? >> no, we won't he won't take us reform. that's why we exist. >> okay . interesting. all right. >> okay. interesting. all right. i know your views on that. quickly >> well, i worry that he won't call it rejoining

>> well, i worry that he won't call it rejoin of| >> well, i worry that he won't call it rejoin of a the chances of a reform government at the next election . government at the next election. right. so your verdict is now in 93% of you think that labour will reverse brexit by the back doon will reverse brexit by the back door. 7% of you think they won't. i think it is just this idea that the words keir starmer and negotiation don't seem to sit that well , do they? given sit that well, do they? given what we've seen with the unions, 3.1 billion quid's worth of extra money we have now borrowed in the last month just to pay them off. but coming up as new government guidance says that gypsy government guidance says that gypsy and roma traveller pupils should be referred to as, quote , should be referred to as, quote, mobile children and says that their absence from school is acceptable so they don't have to go to school apparently, should they be forced to. should they be forced to go to school? we speak to the world's first gypsy billionaire , alfie best. he's billionaire, alfie best. he's live shortly, but next, joe wicks. remember that fitness guy who made us all do stuff we didn't want to do during lockdown? anyway? he sparked utter disgust by downing his wife's breast milk down the hatch . hatch. >> it's so unoffensive honestly ,

>> it's so unoffensive honestly, it's actually nice. >> do we need to nip this in the bud? journalist ella whelan on former labour party activist susie stride.

next. welcome back to patrick christys tonight. coming up. should we be so lenient on gypsy and roma traveller pupils missing school. but first fitness guru joe wicks is latest fad has well, shall we

say , divided opinion. say, divided opinion. >> liquid gold, mama's milk. the energy and nutrients in that is unbelievable. actually, believe it or not, it tastes really sweet. it's like a natural sweet. it's like a natural sweet. like vanilla milk. the one the babies love. sugar and sweet stuff down the hatch . it's sweet stuff down the hatch. it's so unoffensive. honestly it's actually nice. i wouldn't have it on my porridge or cereal, but it's nice for a little shock now and again. thanks, rose. thanks for your milk. >> that, ladies and gentlemen, was his wife's breast milk. he downed before heading to a taylor swift gig at wembley on tuesday. it was originally meant for the couple's four month old child or something, and they welcomed. yeah, they welcomed that child just a few months ago. but joe asked his wife to save him some. okay, but is it really okay for a 38 year old bloke to drink his wife's breast? any bloke's not supposed to drink his wife's breast milk. to debate this now, i'm joined by journalist and commentator ella whelan and labour party

activist susie stride. thank you very much, ella. i'll start with you . what do you make of joe you. what do you make of joe wicks drinking his own wife's breast milk and encouraging others to do so ? others to do so? >> well, i mean, it was a bit. >> well, i mean, it was a bit. >> the lady doth protest too much because it didn't seem like he enjoyed it that much. you know, saying, actually, it's quite nice. oh, it's not really that offensive. i didn't quite believe him somehow. but, look, i don't care what joe wicks or anyone else gets up to in the privacy of their own family unit, and, and, you know , it's unit, and, and, you know, it's it. we shouldn't care. but the point is , joe wicks wants us to point is, joe wicks wants us to care because the message, the underlying message of that is we should all be okay with breast milk. the suggestion is that there's a stigma around breast milk and all we ladies who bottle feed or formula feed, really need is more. joe wicks out there. destigmatising this very natural, wonderful thing that we have in our bodies . and

that we have in our bodies. and that's the thing that ticks me off. it's not, you know, whether or not he drinks it. i don't care. it's the fact that he thinks he's doing some kind of pubuc thinks he's doing some kind of public service for women by engaging in this kind of stunt. and, you know, there's a serious discussion to be had about pressure around infant feeding. and i don't think he's helping that. >> okay. a series of interesting points there, susie. i'll bring you in. you know, joe wicks was the bloke who got us off our backsides during lockdown. and it turns out he's a breast milk monster . monster. >> i mean, look, it's again , i >> i mean, look, it's again, i agree with ella. >> it's up to him. if he wants to drink someone's breast milk, a little bit odd, a little bit strange. i wouldn't do it myself. i did breastfeed my child. i think it is absolutely right. as ella says, a mum should be able to choose how they feed their child. i chose to mainly breastfeed. i did also formula feed my son and actually interestingly, i did have a situation where a woman told me not to formula feed my son, which obviously was upsetting. however, i do think we need to

be very cautious here if he wants to put that on instagram, i just i wants to put that on instagram, ijust i don't wants to put that on instagram, i just i don't want to blow this out of proportion. let him do that. i don't think that makes me. i don't feel any pressure. if i was to have another child, do i care what he thinks? no, i don't at all. and i also think of all the mums that i've worked with over the last 20 years, and i've worked with hundreds. this is just not really an issue that's come up. what's more likely to come up is there support for mums with mental health needs? is there support for mums to get housing for and me this is just not been a big issue . it's not been one that's issue. it's not been one that's come up. so i'm i'm just not sure whether we're trying to pick a fight with this guy, you know, because he's decided to dnnk know, because he's decided to drink his wife's breast milk, let him drink his wife's breast milk. >> there seems to be. that's okay. yeah there is. i think there is a difference, though, right? which i think ella articulated as well, which is one thing. doing something in your own home is another thing. putting it out to your presumably millions of followers across social media and then recommending it on to a nation. but it seems to chime in with a genuinely growing for market

breast milk. right? so we're having things like breast milk, ice cream in a couple of new york ice cream parlours, to say the least. there's quite a lot of this stuff going around now . of this stuff going around now. i mean, do you think that that maybe puts a bit of pressure on women? do you? >> well, i just think it's i think, you know, i agree that, you know, whatever about joe wicks, but i think it's for me, it provides a space for an interesting conversation, which i think is really worth having, which is that breast we are obsessed with breast milk. i mean , it's become fetishised in mean, it's become fetishised in a way that you know, constrained to the kind of odd, you know, in relation to in stoke newington down the road from where i'm living in hackney, there was once a breast milk ice cream van and, you know , i don't want to and, you know, i don't want to sort of be, i don't know , sort of be, i don't know, prudish or something about it, but it's a bit weird , you know, but it's a bit weird, you know, and, and you almost feel and i think it's funny that you feel or i feel embarrassed about saying that. i feel that fine. that's weird, because there's such a pressure around breast

milk. you're meant to call it liquid gold. you're meant to think it's amazing and you're meant to be a really big fan of it in terms of, you know, i'm seven months pregnant, so i'm going through this whole thing of being, you know, meeting midwives and stuff again . and it midwives and stuff again. and it made me remember how pressurised breastfeeding is for women in antenatal classes. it's a huge focus for the nhs. and, you know , focus for the nhs. and, you know, as has already been said, there is a there can be a stigma around formula feeding, for example, when you are, when you've just given birth in a hospital, it's very unlikely that a midwife will come and willingly show you how to make a bottle. but seven of them will come and try and get you to latch on with your kids. so there's a real imbalance in terms of what women need. and you know, when you when you put that up against the stats, which is that most women make the choice to either combination feed or formula feed after 6 to 8 weeks. breastfeeding is a hell of a job. it's a lonely, tiring , of a job. it's a lonely, tiring, painful full time job. yeah, and we're not. we're not matching

their needs. instead, we're saying to them , oh, look, be saying to them, oh, look, be inspired by joe wicks. i think that's that's the problem here. really. >> well, i mean, i suppose another problem, susie, in a way, is he's quite literally taking food out of his infant child's mouth. >> yeah. i mean , look what i >> yeah. i mean, look what i watched the video. i do cringe a little bit. i'm just like, i'm a bit like, oh, you know, and i can only speak about my experience. i love breastfeeding, i also found formula feeding quite helpful because i went back to work early, but i've just i've not heard mums talk about this this much. i think we do have problems in the nhs, usually around them saying things like let's have a what do you call it, a natural birth? let's not have epidurals, which is a whole load of rubbish. woman. if you want to have an epidural, have an epidural. let me tell you, most doctor female doctors have epidurals, so i would say that's a bigger issue. thank god for the epidural is what i'm saying. but yeah, i mean it's a little bit weird. i just don't i don't put it as a big deal. i don't have the ice cream man in tower hamlets giving me a breastfeed. we'll know if i did. i'd be saying to them, please, i don't think there's a market for that

around here. >> no, i do wonderi around here. >> no, i do wonder i wonder what's going to happen about, i mean, is it vegan? i don't know, isuppose mean, is it vegan? i don't know, i suppose it's not vegan, is it? but but that's a question for another time. it's probably a, probably a question for, for another year of a labour government. but anyway, there we go.thank government. but anyway, there we go. thank you both very much. that's, journalist and commentator, ella whelan and labour party activist susie stride. right. well, i'm not quite sure where you guys are on that. i personally do think it's a little bit icky, but coming up, yes, very, very, very different shift in tone . now, is different shift in tone. now, is this something we're going to be talking about at 10 pm? you know, we talk a lot about two tier justice, know, we talk a lot about two tierjustice, don't know, we talk a lot about two tier justice, don't we? well, the latest is that a child rapist has dodged jail and a killer has been freed because our prisons are now full of people who posted mean things on social media. so is starmer making us less safe? i tackled that at ten. but next, as new government guidance says that gypsy government guidance says that gypsy and roma traveller children should be referred to as mobile children and says that their absence from school is just fine. we can let them crack on with not getting an education, should be forced to go to school. gypsy

next. gypsy next. gypsy and roma traveller pupils will be referred to as mobile children under new government guidance. the rules relate to students of no fixed abode who miss school while their parents are travelling during the course of their trade or business, which is legal. it also says that schools should not unnecessarily ask for evidence that the parent is travelling all right. but should we be so lenient on traveller pupils who don't go to school? is it actually fair on the kids, to be honest, to discuss this now i'm joined by the self—proclaimed gypsy joined by the self—proclaimed gypsy billionaire. is alfie best, alfie. great stuff. thank you very much for coming on the show, should we be forcing gypsy and traveller children to go to school like everyone else? >> i don't think it's a case of forcing them. i think it's about embracing it. and of course, education is key , but it's also education is key, but it's also about embracing every culture, just like they do with up and

down the country, and, gypsies and travellers are no different. so yes, of course , and any steps so yes, of course, and any steps in the right direction to help bnng in the right direction to help bring better education to gypsies and travellers, children can only be seen as a positive. >> do they sometimes see it as part of their culture for their children not to go to school ? children not to go to school? >> well, what gypsies and travellers tend to do, and i was no different for me, is that children tend to go to work with their parents and they learn from the ground level up. like i left school when i was 12 and i had periodic schooling, you know, would it have been better if i had a much better education of course it would have been. but also, i think that our education system is also failing as well, that we're put inside a box and we're expected it's one rule for everybody, and unfortunately, it's not there's not one rule for everybody, if

you look at most entrepreneurs and business people, they were actually dropouts from college, including some of the greatest. >> yeah. no, i completely get that. and a lot of the outside of the box thinkers go on to do great things, and that doesn't necessarily mean you have the most linear start in life. i do understand that. but on this show and others on gb news, we do talk a lot about integration, and normally that tends to be focused on, well, specifically maybe certain aspects of the british muslim community, for example, whether or not we're seeing integration there all the time . and i do wonder whether time. and i do wonder whether with the traveller community there is much of an attempt in pockets of them to integrate , pockets of them to integrate, whether that's through living on the more kind of fixed sites , the more kind of fixed sites, not sending their children to school, not necessarily always paying school, not necessarily always paying tax as well, you know, is it fair for me to say that actually, if we're going to criticise some communities for not integrating , we should be not integrating, we should be having a little look at some of the traveller communities as well. >> i think we should look at all communities. you know, it's not one rule for one and one rule for another, which is exactly the fact of what it is for the 9yp5y the fact of what it is for the gypsy and travelling community. so, for instance, the gypsies

are the last race that is legally segregated from the rest of the population, such as when planning permission is granted for a gypsy and traveller sites, it's actually illegal for a non 9yp5y to it's actually illegal for a non gypsy to live on that site and pay gypsy to live on that site and pay rent. it's actually a criminal offence, right? >> i didn't know that . so? so >> i didn't know that. so? so talk me through that then. so if you or you literally you i suppose decided to put planning permission up somewhere and then what? i couldn't rent a room in your house if you. >> well, i wouldn't say, designate it as a house, but as a 9yp5y designate it as a house, but as a gypsy and traveller site. gypsy a gypsy and traveller site. gypsy and traveller sites receive planning permission for the gypsy and travelling community. right so you are, if you are a non gypsy , you are not you are a non gypsy, you are not allowed to live on that site . allowed to live on that site. okay, and there has been cases where people have been convicted

of people living on those sites that are non gypsies. >> all right. is there is there real racism against gypsies and travellers in this country, or do you think, do you think that sometimes certain stigmas might be slightly justified? for example , i'll give a very real example, i'll give a very real world example. you know, i have had some experiences very close to me where people have moved illegally onto a site and then stayed there for a very long time. and then made a mess of it, which has not been nice. that doesn't make me hate the travellers. i'm just saying that wasn't particularly pleasant. >> look, there is always going to be good and bad in every population. you know , i could population. you know, i could give you ten good. circumstances, from charlie chapun circumstances, from charlie chaplin to yul brynner, to myself, that puts their head above the parapet. but i can also give you five other bad, but that's in every population we can. we can pick out the bad, but what about circulating the

good? >> yeah. fair enough. and, i mean, look , also, crucially, mean, look, also, crucially, you've done very well for yourself. you've done fantastically well for yourself, all right. and you know it. you said it might have benefited you a bit more if you'd had gone to school. i'm not quite sure how i mean, you know, i'm talking to i'm talking to a gypsy billionaire here, mate. >> look, it's very good. and it's very complimentary for you to say that. do you mind if i make a point and you use the word racism? earlier on from my point, and i know i have a lot of, kickback on this, i actually don't accept the word racism in in any creed, colour or race. i actually see it as no more than just abuse, abuse of calling somebody fat , ugly, thin. it's somebody fat, ugly, thin. it's just another form of abuse . but just another form of abuse. but the moment you accept the word racism, what you're accepting is that you're different. and what i would say to you is, look, if you look at the speech that keir starmer gave, which i thought was completely not, not correct,

he he divided the country and said that, you know, he wasn't going to accept what the far left was doing . whereas from left was doing. whereas from what i've been seeing and i now live in monaco, but i'm looking on the tv here and the rest of the world is looking on and they're actually seeing that. it looks like the uk is close to a civil war. >> no . interesting. quite, quite >> no. interesting. quite, quite profound point to finish on. i must say i like the fact that we did veer on from whether or not traveller children should go to school to, to, to the impending engush school to, to, to the impending english civil war. but hey great stuff. look alfie, you mind how you go and i'll see you very soon. have a great time. that's a wonderful alfie. best is the 9yp5y a wonderful alfie. best is the gypsy billy. now, i do wonder how parents feel about this, though, when they think, you know, you'd probably get fined, wouldn't you, if your child played truant from school. whereas if you remember the traveller community, maybe you could just call them a or whatever. it was a wandering child or whatever the terminology is now. anyway, coming up, legal migration is down, but will labour's open

borders approach see it skyrocket again? i've got former labour minister shaun simon trying to defend keir starmer's approach to immigration shortly, but next very serious topic. this a convicted killer has been freed to make room for people who posted nasty stuff on social media. are we less safe because of starmer ? of starmer? >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb. news >> good evening. here's your latest met office weather forecast for gb news storm lillian is knocking on the door andifs lillian is knocking on the door and it's going to bring some unseasonably wet and windy weather to many parts, but particularly in the north as we go through the rest of today overnight into tomorrow, there is a system that's coming in from the west and it's this that is storm lillian already bringing some very wet weather across northern ireland this evening. and that heavy rain and the strong winds will feed into parts of scotland, england and wales as we go overnight. the highest rainfall totals likely to be across parts of southwest scotland. also some eastern

coastal parts where a bit of flooding and some disruption quite likely the wind, the rain. the cloud will keep temperatures up so a relatively warm but very wet and windy start to the day for many of us on friday, as we go through friday itself, then yes, it is going to be a wet start across eastern parts of scotland in particular, but towards the west. here there will be some hefty showers following in behind the persistent rain showers. also for northern ireland. meanwhile, for northern ireland. meanwhile, for northern england there will be some heavy rain around, but it's the winds that are causing the greatest concern. we're likely to see gusts of around 65 to 75mph in the most exposed spots, perhaps even a little bit stronger than that, as a small core of very strong winds pushes through during tomorrow morning. further south, there will be some rain to start off with, but that should clear away towards the east as we head towards lunchtime. and actually the whole system that is storm lillian clears away towards the nonh lillian clears away towards the north sea. and so for much of england and wales, it's going to be a largely bright, sunny afternoon with temperatures a touch higher than today. afternoon with temperatures a touch higher than today . further touch higher than today. further north, temperatures a little bit

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gb news. >> it's 10 pm. on patrick christys tonight , a convicted christys tonight, a convicted killer will walk free because starmer wants people imprisoned for nasty social media posts. and i show you even more

evidence of two tier justice. plus we have seen applications reduce. >> we have seen the grant rate come down. we have seen the removals increase. >> while the tories did reduce immigration, i reveal how labour will probably ramp it right back up again. yet refugees welcome yvette . yvette. >> plus that's why i think after that result today you kind of look at it and you don't know where to how to feel . where to how to feel. >> well, match of the day and one show host jermaine jenas has sensationally been sacked by the bbc. we actually have got a clip of him talking, so i'll play that to you later on in the show, but find out why ricky gervais has gone to war with sadiq khan on my panel tonight. it's ex tory london mayoral candidate susan hall, express columnist patrick o'flynn and ex labour party adviser matthew laza. oh, and what is wrong with this depiction of edward vi ? get this depiction of edward vi? get ready britain. here we go .

ready britain. here we go. has starmer now made us all less safe? next . safe? next. >> good evening. it's 10:01. safe? next. >> good evening. it's10:01. i'm cameron walker here in the gb newsroom. west yorkshire police has confirmed that the man arrested after a bradford house fire that killed a mother and her three children, is the ex—partner of a woman who was visiting the family. he remains in hospital in a critical condition after bryony gwynne and her children density, who was nine, oscar, five, and aubrey birtle, who was 22 months old, were killed. the children's father, jonathan, has released a statement which reads i am absolutely distraught at the sudden loss of my fiancee bryony , sudden loss of my fiancee bryony, and our three beautiful children . and our three beautiful children. the bbc presenter jermaine

jenas, says he's not happy about having been sacked by the bbc, and that there are two sides to every story. the former footballer was sacked from presenting the one show and match of the day after alleged complaints about his behaviour, which was subject to an internal investigation by the corporation. a bbc spokesperson says we can confirm that he is no longer part of our presenting line—up. meanwhile, his agency mick saatchi, no longer represents him. jenas is understood to be speaking to lawyers about the issue . two lawyers about the issue. two people have been injured after a stabbing at the chessington world of adventures theme park, near london, with one taken to a major trauma centre . police were major trauma centre. police were called just after 230 this afternoon and found a man in a car park with knife wounds, and another was found in a nearby road with minor injuries. a third man has been arrested on suspicion of grievous bodily harm, and police believe that all three of the men knew each other. nobody else is thought to be involved. a senior labour mp is demanding the government answers why the person who killed a newcastle teenager is

being released early. gordon gauu being released early. gordon gault was 14 when he died in hospital six days after he was attacked with a blade in elswick in november 2022. lawson nato was sentenced to two years and eight months for manslaughter and unlawful wounding , but is and unlawful wounding, but is due to be released after serving just 40% of his jail term. the government plans to release some prisoners, including hsi, early, to free up prison capacity, but the newcastle mp chi onwurah wants an explanation from the ministry of justice. a romanian court has decided internet personality andrew tate should be placed under house arrest. prosecutors have requested that tates be detained for 30 more days after he was among six people taken into custody in an investigation into human trafficking and sexual exploitation. andrew tate denies all the allegations levelled against him . a drug found to against him. a drug found to slow down alzheimer's has been given the green light for use in britain , but it may not be britain, but it may not be rolled out on the nhs because it costs too much money. the charity alzheimer's research uk

has urged the health secretary to step in, warning it would only be available to those who could pay privately. the national institute for health and care excellence, which provides national health advice, says the benefits are too small to justify the costs . well, to justify the costs. well, those are the latest gb news headunes those are the latest gb news headlines for now. now it's back to patrick for the very latest. >> gb news direct to your smartphone sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> a convicted child rapist has escaped jail for a second time because our prisons are too overcrowded. reese newman was handed a suspended sentence last december for the historic rape of a girl under the age of 14. back in 2005. now, under the terms of his sentence , he was terms of his sentence, he was ordered to sign the sex offenders register and he had to tell police if he went on

holiday. but in may he jetted off to egypt and he didn't tell anyone, so he breached the terms of his sentence and he was hauled back to court where the judge said to him, and i quote, if we had been in different times, then it would have been virtually inevitable that you would have gone into custody. the only reason you have escaped immediate custody today is because of the prison overcrowding crisis. now, bear in mind that we've got people in jail or facing jail for posting things on social media. we have a prime minister who is accused of leaning on the judiciary to give out long sentences. >> we're able to demonstrate the criminal justice system working speedily so yesterday you saw the sentencing of individuals who've been involved in disorder days ago, some of them getting sentences as long as three years. that sent a very powerful message . message. >> and we have the home office as well, appearing to commit contempt of court by branding everyone arrested for rioting as already being criminals before

they could have a fair trial. now, in the last couple of hours, it was also revealed that violent thug lawson natty is going to be released early , just going to be released early, just five months after he was jailed in connection with the brutal stabbing of a 14 year old boy. if only. sir keir starmer cared as much about knife crime as he does about clamping down on social media posts. today there was another double stabbing, this time at chessington world of adventures, which of course is full of children. there have been several high profile incidents in recent days of children being stabbed. a nine year old girl was allegedly stabbed yesterday . where are the stabbed yesterday. where are the longer sentences for the people who commit those crimes? where's operation early dawn? there. where's the standing army of police officers for that, sir keir? but it's not just him, of course, as well. other prominent labour figures are guilty of not taking knife crime seriously. >> worse on the streets of night time and see about the gangs running around with machetes. because that's the stories i am heanng because that's the stories i am hearing from the people that are

running nights. the night economy that is not good. silicon i say in a respectful way. >> i think the tory candidates should stop watching the wire. we're not living in baltimore, usa in the noughties . usa in the noughties. >> and we all know loads of labour mps signed a letter to get foreign criminals off deportation flights. some of them went on to commit further horrendous crimes. a killer is being released early and child rapists are swerving jail, but police are spending their time knocking on people's doors for social media posts. when will this labour government get its priorities straight? let's get our thoughts on my panel columnist and political commentator as well. patrick o'flynn. former london mayoral candidate susan hall. we also have ex—labour party adviser matthew lazer. and look, susan, i'll come to you first just because you were you were in that clip there. so i think it's only only right. really, when you look at what's going on now and there's two very stark cases, this is just today where you've got that guy who is a

child rapist who's broken the terms of his, of his licence, essentially swerving jail. the judge explicitly saying, because prisons are too busy, you've got a guy there who's killed someone or been involved in the killing of someone being released early, but social media users getting a knock on the door from police. what do you think we're going wrong here or not? >> well, we all know we're going wrong. this cannot be right. nobody thinks this is right. i mean, we are talking about two tier policing now, but what faith does anybody have in the judiciary now? this is so wrong. and you know, the public will put up with a lot of things if they think things are fair. but this is clearly not fair and it's not right. it's an absolute disgrace. i mean, if people are on social media trying to incite violence, that is wrong and that needs to be dealt with. but i think we're on a very slippery slope. >> they go to prison, though, because that's the thing, isn't it? because some of the things that i'm seeing. i'll leave this to you, patrick, because some of the times where you know , you the times where you know, you see people going to prison on this now, it's to easy look at

it and go, oh, that person tweeted something. but then you do scratch the surface on it . do scratch the surface on it. and quite often they had other convictions . and quite often convictions. and quite often then there might be a line in there that they did tweet that was overtly racist. but do they deserve to go to prison for that versus someone who has been involved in the killing of someone being released after a few months? >> well, they certainly don't. in my view, deserve to be going to prison for years, which has in some cases. now, i accept at the height of the riots, there was a need for exemplary sentencing to deter the riots. and that happened very quickly, you know, and some of the people who were actually in the vicinity of the riots and you read the top line , well, he just read the top line, well, he just chanted, you're white. you're not english any more. you read further down. and in fact, he was also that gentleman pushing police officers and committing assaults. right. but i think it's very harsh on people who are not professional communicators, have small social media followings, just sounding

off in the emotion. after the terrible southport murders. and technically you can make a case it's incitement in no real sense. i think was someone with 300 followers on facebook creating any realistic incitement for violence. so some of those sentences, i do think they smack of the sort of 18th century we'll send someone for down rustling the lead sheep sort of thing. >> matthew, we've had since keir starmer's premiership, the southport incident, a girl being stabbed in leicester square, a nine year old being stabbed. just yesterday. i believe it was a knife crimes, knife crime knife crime. knife crime knife crime. keir starmer actually isn't doing anything about that, isn't doing anything about that, is he? >> no, that's not true. i mean, i mean, remember, the government has only been in power for less than two months. yeah, but actually they have already . for actually they have already. for example, last week there's a knife amnesty . and actually the knife amnesty. and actually the knife amnesty. and actually the knife amnesty. and actually the knife amnesty is succeed in getting a lot of knives off the streets. clearly knife crime

needs to be a priority of the government, both at a national level but also in london and other major cities. going forward . and, you know, i look forward. and, you know, i look forward. and, you know, i look forward to the government coming out and they need to and then people will be expecting them to come up with some imaginative, creative and effective policies on knife crime. learning from the from from what's worked and both elsewhere in the uk and around the world. >> i don't want them to be imaginative, by the way. i just want them to stop and search people carrying knives and if they catch them, for those people to be sent to prison for a very long time, it doesn't have to be imaginative. it's just common sense. yeah. >> i mean , we're used to sadiq >> i mean, we're used to sadiq khanin >> i mean, we're used to sadiq khan in london and he doesn't take it seriously. when he first came in, he was flip flopping all over the place on stop and search. stop and search works. we've got to be far harsher on people that carry knives. i mean, some of the reports just on tonight's news, absolutely shocking. shocking. something needs to be done . needs to be done. >> do you think that if keir starmer had approached knife crime with the same kind of

look, we had a standing army of police officers out on that night where we were told i was on air covering a different show when we were told there was going to be 30 far right riots. and then out of nowhere, that became a hundred and that was the breaking news. and then actually there were none. okay. but we had a standing army of police officers in all corners of the uk for that . if we did of the uk for that. if we did that for knife crime, could we eradicate it or at least get it down to more? you know , less down to more? you know, less horrendous levels? >> no, it would have to be a different approach, to be honest, to knife crime, because you had the tsg out all over the country waiting for riots. it's a different thing , but it should a different thing, but it should be treated really seriously. but lots of the smaller crimes should. in london we've got shoplifting epidemic and if people think they can get away with that, then they go to further crime and it escalates andifs further crime and it escalates and it's not taken seriously enough without risking becoming the kind of hate figure for tory

supporting viewers tonight. >> i would also say that keir starmer is basically continuity. rishi sunak here and his prison ministerjames rishi sunak here and his prison minister james timpson rishi sunak here and his prison ministerjames timpson is minister james timpson is continuity. alex chalk, who was the justice secretary who also presided over an early release scheme in the last year of the conservative government. now labour should have tried a lot harder to bring back more capacity on stream use. some of those disused former mod camps with nissan huts to be emergency accommodation, rather than just do the defeatist thing, listen to the civil servants and oh, we've got to release a load more criminals early. they hadn't. >> matthew, what do you think the vast majority of the british pubuc the vast majority of the british public want? do they want to see a child rapist behind bars, or someone who put a dodgy, dodgy tweet behind bars or someone? or let me even put that a different way. someone who threw an object at a police officer once. >> well, look, i think that the i mean, what's happened is, is that the judiciary? the judiciary? no. easy word to say.

the judiciary have been giving, giving down, as paddy said, you know, exemplary sentences. and i think that they need to be careful that they don't overdo it, you know, the at the height of the riots, you needed to be clear that if you were going to if you were going to throw things at the police, if you were going to set fire to a migrant hotel, then you were going to go down and you were going to go down and you were going to go down and you were going to go down quickly. i think one of the things we've learned over the last few weeks is that the criminal justice system can move a lot faster than we thought it could, and i don't understand why it takes so long usually, but it hasn't taken so long. and a lot of in a lot of these cases. now, i know a lot of people have pleaded guilty and that speeds things up, but we haven't waited for social services reports in the vast majority of these cases, which we do in a lot. so let's learn the lessons from that. and of course, we all want to see people who should be in prison. in prison. i slightly disagree with you because i think having james timson there, having trying to get people who are for in short sentences out and rehabilitate them is important because what we want is people who do serious crime in prison, and we want to get the re—offending rate down. so we're all safer on our streets and in

our homes. >> from my perspective, there were kind of two things that really kicked off after that really kicked off after that really awful southport incident. one of the things that people were fed up of was knife crime, right. and another thing was that there was misinformation that there was misinformation that was going around about the idea that this individual was an asylum seeker, and people felt generally a bit sick of the asylum system and all of that stuff. but in all of that, i actually think we got lost. the idea that actually so many people were just fed up of knife crime got lost. and if we're not deaung crime got lost. and if we're not dealing with this, i worry that keir starmer, you know, he's going to have. i certainly don't want any of this to happen. he's running the risk of having a bit more trouble on his hands if he doesn't deal with actual knife crime. >> i think he's going to have trouble on his hands. if he, as you mentioned earlier, he's not mentioned anything about the asylum figures today. i don't think he's taking the feelings of britons seriously. i don't think he actually understands why. so many britons are so very fed up at the moment. i don't think he understands it.

>> do you know, i think he's in huge trouble. and again, you know, he flung about the term far right that doesn't of all the people arrested and convicted, there seem very few of them have actually been have established far right political connections there. and as i say, there's a sense that the increasingly sort of soft left modern judiciary has a sort of cultural cringe towards the white working class, lower orders, and seems to be dispensing, in general, harsher justice on them than, for instance, some people who've come into the country from ethnic minority groups who seem to get, you know, seem to me to get a softer approach. >> final word with you on this. but presumably you do think he gets it. he just needs time. yeah. >> well, no, it's not just quite that. i think at the height of the riots, it wasn't the right thing to do to give succour to those who were causing trouble by acknowledging things that using his excuses as he. over the next few months, we'll see his conference speech in a few weeks. we need to see him

acknowledging the national mood on migration, but also saying we do need migration, but we also need to clamp down on illegal migration and have an honest conversation about it. so yes, he needs to acknowledge how communities feel . communities feel. >> exactly, because these court cases are going to continue to happen. you know, i can just google now and find you quite easily. you know, today it was a child rapist who wasn't sent to prison. there was also a killer who's going to be allowed out early. and if you keep holding those two things up side by side to some of the other people and the sentences they're getting, actually, it does start to paint actually, it does start to paint a picture of the priorities possibly being a bit wrong. but a ministry of justice spokesman said the government has had to take action to ensure we have enough prison places so police can continue to take dangerous criminals off the street and keep the public safe. all offenders released on licence are subject to strict conditions and we do not hesitate to recall them to custody if they break them to custody if they break the rules. coming up, i'll bring you the very first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages. plus, can you spot why misery guts mayor sadiq khan deemed this advert for ricky gervais vodka brand inappropriate. i'll tell you very , very soon. but that's yes, very, very soon. but that's yes, legal migration is down as the tories harsher visa rules did

start to take effect. will labour reverse their long overdue good work? i'm going to go toe to toe with former labour minister shaun simon. he's live and

next. welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now the number of work visas issued fell by 11% to just over 286,000 last year, although that's still more than double

the 2019 levels. health and care worker visas plummeted by 26%, but 260,000 visas were issued to dependants last year, with health and care worker family members accounting for 69% of that total alone. but reports suggest that labour might reverse some of the tories plans to increase the salary threshold level from 29 or 38,700 by 2025, so will starmer's soft approach to migration reversed today's positive steps in the right direction i.e, when you look at the fact that the figures were coming down, maybe we were turning a corner. and will keir starmer ramp the immigration level back up again? i'm joined now by former labour minister shaun simon. shaun, fantastic to have you on the show. thank you very, very much. what confidence can the public possibly have in keir starmer that he's going to keep immigration at lower levels when he's got a home secretary that holds a sign saying refugees welcome, and he's obviously wants to take us back into the eu. >> i think the reason to be

confident , is, >> i think the reason to be confident, is, is >> i think the reason to be confident , is, is democracy , confident, is, is democracy, elections. labour has just fought an election , in which fought an election, in which immigration was was a big issue. it wasn't mainly a big issue for laboun it wasn't mainly a big issue for labour, but it was a very big issue for the tories cost the tories very dearly in the last election and labour profited , election and labour profited, profited from it without really having to go into very much depth in their own plans. but they were very clear that they would crack down on the boats and make a difference to that , and make a difference to that, and make a difference to that, and that net legal migration would go down on their watch. they wouldn't say by how much, but they said it would go down. and if they don't deliver on those two things, they will pay a heavy political price. i have no doubt about that . and they no doubt about that. and they have no doubt about that either. so even if you think they're a load of wishy washy, hippy liberal do gooders who love migration and just want to would

like as much of it as possible to wind people up, and you may even actually think that patrick, even if you think that, it is in their own interest to do something about it, and they know that. absolutely. >> can i ask just just why then? because you mentioned illegal stuff there, right? you know, and as it, as it stood before the illegal migration act, in fact, as it still stands now because they've not repealed that yet, the illegal migration act, if you do enter britain through illegal or irregular means, you will never be able to be allowed to claim for asylum. now labour are reversing that. why i mean, i, i don't know, i don't know that they are reversing that and i don't know if they, if they are reversing that. >> i'm. i couldn't tell you why but but i do know that they, they have been very clear that they have been very clear that they intend to send a lot more people back . and if you go back people back. and if you go back to the last labour government, the last labour government sent

an awful lot more. it attempted illegal migrants back, return them to other countries than than the tories subsequently did. >> but they weren't coming from the same countries. they're coming now. they're really en masse. were they? they weren't coming back then from afghanistan, from iraq , from afghanistan, from iraq, from sudan, from eritrea. and that's where they're coming from now, and that's where they're coming from. >> that's where they were coming from then. yeah, iraq, iraq war in the 2000. afghanistan war in the 2000. yeah. i was a i was a labour mp in birmingham at the time and believe me, that was where they were coming from. and a lot of them were going back to like 50,000 a year under labour were being sent back to afghanistan. yes. if we're if we're going to judge what labour is likely to do, which which we can't do very well after six weeks in office. on what they've done so far. why don't we judge labour on what they did last time? and what they did was they sent lots and lots of people back, far more than the tories. >> okay, just some of the other noises that were coming out

earlier on. labour have denied this, but the officials have confirmed that this is essentially part of a negotiation. it's about this eu free movement of people or whatever you want to call it when it comes to under 30s now, someone else made the point that actually quite a lot of free movement when we, when we had it proper, was actually under 30s anyway. so it's not a million miles off what we already had there, and that could see huge influxes of immigration, couldn't it? so when you see some of the figures that we've got today and we see that there's a slight dip there and all of that stuff actually almost immediately, if labour did decide to go for some kind of eu free movement thing, then that could be completely, completely, utterly shattered, couldn't it ? couldn't it? >> that's a good example of what i'm talking about. so firstly, like downing street said, very clearly, we are not going to do that, that, that , that they that, that, that, that they weren't at all equivocal. there wasn't any hedging. they said, no, we are not going to do that. and they have been discussing it with foreign leaders who ask about it, but they . about it, but they. >> downing street also told us they weren't going to be releasing violent offenders in order to make way for additional

prisoners, and today it's been announced that they're releasing announced that they're releasing a killer. okay, so they do say some things sometimes. and then another thing tends to happen. and it is interesting that that article came out. is it not? >> things do happen . but the >> things do happen. but the reason that the reason that they're not going to do that with, under 30 free movement is that they've just spent keir starmer has just spent the last five years, trying to put distance between the whole keir, the remainer, stigma which, which he didn't want because it wasn't useful to him and that that isn't that isn't what what they want to be and, and the idea that the first thing they're going to do when they get into government is negotiate a any kind of a free movement deal with the eu like it's the opposite of what's going to happen. they're not going to do that because it's not rwanda that's a free movement. >> deal with anyone who wants to

come across the channel, isn't it? >> well, rwanda wasn't it wasn't a real thing. it was just a toun a real thing. it was just a tour. it was a tory fantasy to spent two years and cost hundreds of millions of pounds. there was no such thing as the rwanda. i mean, it literally didn't exist. there was going to be 1%, 1% of people. i mean, that's a joke. so. >> so if you had to predict it genuinely now just looking at the situation as it currently stands, you know, if you had to predict it, you reckon we're going to see legal immigration, legal immigration go down under labourin legal immigration go down under labour in the coming years. >> so i think that legal migration is easier to control than illegal migration. i think it will be easier for them to make sure that net migration goes down, than it will be to smash the gangs and stop the boats . i smash the gangs and stop the boats. i know smash the gangs and stop the boats . i know they're sincere in boats. i know they're sincere in their belief that they can smash their belief that they can smash the gangs and not stop the boats, but i think we all, we're all very conscious that that is going to be no easy task. >> all right. sean, luke, thank you very much. it's always a pleasure. great to have you on. the former labour minister, sean

simon there. you take care our have you back on very, very soon. coming up jermaine jenas has hit back now after he was sensationally sacked by the bbc. and we do have a recording of something that he said actually i believe so we'll try to bring that to you very i'll also have the first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages, so don't go

all right. welcome back to patrick christys . tonight, i've unions about how aggressively to push tichristysr government on patrick christys. tonight, i've got the very first look at unions about how aggressively to push tichristys .government on unions about how aggressively to push tichristys . tonight,ant on unions about how aggressively to push tichristys . tonight, i'veyn patrick christys. tonight, i've got the very first look at tomorrow's newspaper front pages for you now. so let's do it tomorrow's newspaper front pages for you now. so let's do it right. we're going to start with the metro. they've got here. metro. they've got here. world first trials begin in the metro. they've got here. world first trials begin in britain. this is a jab hope in britain. this is a jab hope in fight against lung cancer. we fight against lung cancer. we had an alzheimer's jab that was had an alzheimer's jab that was on one of the front pages on one of the front pages yesterday. so lung cancer now yesterday. so lung cancer now apparently. and let's go to the apparently. and let's go to the i uk trade union chief split i uk trade union chief split over how to get best pay deals over how to get best pay deals out of chancellor. this is quite out of chancellor. this is quite interesting isn't it? there's a interesting isn't it? there's a schism growing among the trade schism growing among the trade unions about how aggressively to unions about how aggressively to

push the labour government on push the labour government on pubuc push the labour government on public sector pay. may i politely suggest you don't have to push them that hard? by the looks of things, open a bag and just point at it and say, can i have the cash, please? let's go to the daily express . why is it to the daily express. why is it that only the rich can get the alzheimer's wonder drug? so there we are. so this is the idea that this drug will now, because it's so expensive, not because it's so expensive, not be available on the nhs , but you be available on the nhs, but you can getit be available on the nhs, but you can get it privately there for the rich, can get it. and we're also going to go on the daily mail, furious dementia drug denied to patients on nhs fine . denied to patients on nhs fine. as you will have noticed if you're watching us on television, the picture story on almost all of these newspaper front pages is of jermaine jenas. okay, so this is bbc sacks jermaine jenas over quotes, inappropriate texts to a colleague. and he was a presenter on the one show. he's also a presenter on match of the day was seen by many as the successor to gary lineker, had a massive career in broadcast ahead of him. the mirror have taken the blunt approach to this sacked with a massive picture of jermaine jenas. they say that they've axed him because of

inappropriate behaviour. jermaine jenas shock is what they say, so i'm going to reintroduce my wonderful panel to the fray now. and since we came on air, i believe that jermaine jenas has actually been speaking a little bit about this. he was actually, as it turned out, live on another radio show, whilst the news of him , being sacked broke. here is him, being sacked broke. here is what he had to say whilst presenting on talksport earlier , presenting on talksport earlier, it's being reported that you sent unsolicited texts to a female member of staff at the one show. >> is that true? >> is that true? >> there's like i said, i'm not happy about this situation. you know, i'm going to be speaking to my lawyers about it is all i can say right now. i'm not

to my lawyers about it is all i ca the y right now. i'm not to my lawyers about it is all i ca the day ht now. i'm not to my lawyers about it is all i ca the day anchorman, not i of the day anchorman, and i think he'd have been good at it. so he's clearly been just been comprehensively cancelled by the bbc, and the timing of it seems to be a bit odd to me. >> so look, if you knew that you were about to get sacked by the bbc from two of their flagship shows at roughly speaking about whatever, it was 4:00 pm today, you would probably not have positioned yourself on a call in radio show at that exact time, which he did, which implies to me this was a bit of a shock to jermaine, do you think the bbc has to come out, susan and maybe explain a little bit more about what's gone on here? >> well , i what's gone on here? >> well, i should think for everybody's sake they should explain it. but then once lawyers are involved, everybody has to be very careful what they say, as indeed i'm sure you do, they has to be very careful what they say, as indeed i'm sure you do, because , you know, we don't know because , you know, we don't know because, you know, we don't know the facts. we don't know how because, you know, we don't know the facts. we don't know how long the bbc have been looking long the bbc have been looking into this. we don't know when into this. we don't know when they were sent, or at least i they were sent, or at least i don't know when they were don't know when they were allegedly sent. it could be that allegedly sent. it could be that

they've been looking into it for they've been looking into it for a long while, and he thought a long while, and he thought maybe he thought that it wasn't maybe he thought that it wasn't going to come out. we don't going to come out. we don't know. know. >> well, he might think i mean, >> well, he might think i mean, look, one of the other quotes look, one of the other quotes that he's got he's given so far that he's got he's given so far is he says there are two sides is he says there are two sides to every story. all right. so to every story. all right. so one of the allegations are here one of the allegations are here that the bosses received a that the bosses received a complaint about text messages complaint about text messages sent by the star, who co—hosts sent by the star, who co—hosts the one show and is a match of the one show and is a match of the one show and is a match of the day pundit. so, so texts, to the one show and is a match of the day pundit. so, so texts, to what is reported here in the what is reported here in the mirror as being a female member mirror as being a female member of staff, do you think that of staff, do you think that there is a chance that that there is a chance that that jermaine jenas might have been , jermaine jenas might have been , jermaine jenas might have been, you know, caught up as a bit of jermaine jenas might have been, you know, caught up as a bit of a scapegoat for some of the a scapegoat for some of the bbc's previous misdemeanours? bbc's previous misdemeanours? him to make an example of him or him to make an example of him or what do you reckon? what do you reckon? >> well, i think it's >> well, i think it's unfortunate from his point of view that he's probably, the bbc unfortunate from his point of view that he's probably, the bbc has probably repositioned itself has probably repositioned itself on these issues and moved a lot on these issues and moved a lot faster to defend the bbc. he faster to defend the bbc. he will be a freelancer. so the will be a freelancer. so the problem with hugh is that hugh, problem with hugh is that hugh, and again, we're not drawing a and again, we're not drawing a direct parallel between the two, direct parallel between the two,

but that hugh was the one. the but that hugh was the one. the bbc was criticised for was hugh was on, you know, a very traditional bbc news full time contract. jermaine jenas would have been a freelancer. and therefore you can do it like that because you don't have to go through a process with somebody who's a freelancer, which is probably one of the reasons why. it's why it's the differential speed. but also the bbc is obviously trying to take these things more seriously. >> i think . >> i think. >> i think. >> any complaint? >> any complaint? >> yeah. yeah, exactly. i think that either way tomorrow look, it's going to be in jermaine jenas best interest to try and get his side of the story out there sharpish, i would imagine, and that might then put a bit of pressure on on the bbc as well,

pressure, on anthefibla/s well... 7 be pressure, on onthebblas well 7 be mollycoddled to the point? >> no, i mean, i, i thought when i first saw the advert and saw the heard that it had been the tfl rejected, i thought they may have objected because obviously people committing suicide on the underground is a big issue and incredibly difficult for the obviously as well as the people themselves, but the huge impact on the drivers. so i just thought, is that why they've done it? i think it's a bit tenuous as a link, but you could perhaps understand it. but just saying that this might imply that people might drink too much is just daft, and it's the sort of thing that brings him into disrepute. yeah. >> what does it say about the way that tfl, you know, and potentially the mayor of london, views us plebs that we can't walk past a sign like that without going, you know what, i'm not going to go into work today. i'm going to leave my wife and kids and i'm going to go and drink myself to death over there. >> it's crazy, isn't it, well , i >> it's crazy, isn't it, well, i think yeah, it shows that far too many people , presumably too many people, presumably quite talented people working for tfl are in our country, are just spending their days working on completely unproductive

stuff, probably at home, go through the whole public sector and take thousands of talented people off these stupid five a day fruit coordinators. >> so many jobs that could just be undone and get them to work on productive stuff. and the country would be much better off. >> well, there you go. you're a dreamer. you're a dreamer. coming up, can you spot what's wrong with the casting of edward vi in a new amazon drama ? i will vi in a new amazon drama? i will reveal all after i bring you the final tranche of tomorrow's newspapers. so stay tuned

welcome back to patrick christys. now i've got a few more front pages for you, so let's do it. we start with the guardian concern over attainment gap as gcse returned to

pre—covid levels. so they are warning about the. well it's not quite as simple as this, but it's basically a north—south divide when it comes to gcse results, with the south doing better. apparently and now rachel reeves is also quoted at the bottom of the guardian front page, saying we won't give unions a blank check. let's whizz ourselves over to the daily telegraph shall we? because they have a story here saying unions push labour to repeal thatcher's anti—strike repeal thatcher's anti —strike laws. repeal thatcher's anti—strike laws. sir keir starmer will be put under pressure by a key union backer to repeal all of margaret thatcher's anti—strike margaret thatcher's anti —strike laws margaret thatcher's anti—strike laws at next month's trade union conference, apparently, and the times have gone with don't lock up criminals till next month. the courts have been urged bail, planned to ease pressure on prisons after riots. so yeah, again, we kind of we get the gist there, don't we? let's zone in on this one on the front of the telegraph, shall we? unions pushed to labour repeal thatcher's anti—strike laws. bit more detail is that they are going to be trying to make it

this easy, isn't it? they're going to be trying to make it easier for the unions to strike. do you think starmer will cave in to this, patrick? >> i think he'd be crazy to because he obviously has already caved in on key pay deals. and that's a whole lot of trouble coming down the line. he's incentivised bad behaviour, militant behaviour among the unions on that, were he to undo the thatcher, laws and days lost to strikes start rising. he'd be pitched as the sort of successor to the wilson and callaghan crisis governments of the mid 70s straight away. so i think the trade unions will, will kind of make a racket at the tuc about it. i would be surprised on this if starmer was silly enough to give way. >> so we've got matt wrack here, who's the general secretary of the fbu. i mean, the headlines will write themselves when he tees off on starmer. starmer on the rack. but anyway it goes robbing workers of the ability to stand down for themselves . to stand down for themselves. sorry, sorry, stand up for themselves. has driven down wages and made living standards

and public services worse for the vast majority of people, he wants them to. yeah, repeal all the anti—union laws introduced after 1979. apparently unions gave 2.4 million to labour dunng gave 2.4 million to labour during the election campaign and have given almost 30 million since keir starmer was elected as leader. so as far as they're concerned, he owes them. >> god help us, is all i can say because i think he will give in. i mean , how long did it take i mean, how long did it take them to give in to the railway unions? i mean, no time at all. it's more or less what do you want here it is. and then they wonder why they're still going to go on strike over something else. god help us all. >> god help us all. >> god help us all. >> well, i mean, i think patrick's absolutely right. the there's no way that matt will be getting what he wants, which is for all of the post 1979 trade union law to go secret ballots will still be there. all the all the sensible things that were done, but you know , we will be done, but you know, we will be doing things like the labour

government will be doing things like making it harder to do union busting things, which we saw, for example, amazon was accused, they were denied, but was accused of when they had the recent recognition ballot of employing kind of american style techniques to discourage people from joining union. that stuff, it's fine to change the change the rules on, but no, the core tenants of secret ballots, of giving union members their say will all stay. >> my concern would be that if this is the starting position, which is do away with all the laws, then keir starmer could quite legitimately say, well, i've not done that, but what i am going to do is i'm just going to make it a bit easier for you to make it a bit easier for you to strike. so i'm going to do away with the idea that you have to have a turnout of whatever it is, 50%, to, to that probably will be the thing that they do have an argument over. >> but at the moment the government is standing firm. i mean, matt wrack is the fbu is not the fire brigades union is not the fire brigades union is not actually an affiliate anymore. he's the president of the tuc. so the big unions with gmb unite in unison, will take a more pragmatic approach. okay. >> all right. i mean, it's concerning for people though, isn't it? rachel reeves on the front of the guardian saying we unions are a force for good in

society. >> yeah. >> yeah. to »— >> yeah. to an >> yeah. to an extent >> yeah. to an extent until they're not, until they're not, i suppose, but rachel reeves has insisted that there will be no blank cheques for public sector unions amid conservative claims that the government's attempt to end a long running strike has made labour a soft touch. i mean, there are 3.1 billion reasons to suggest there was a blank check. patrick. >> yeah, well, if not blank, then certainly a check, say, with a nine and then a load of noughts written to bust the margin. i think that might be what she means. >> yeah. i mean, is this do you think that there's a chance that labour will bankrupt britain just to appease the unions? >> i think beautiful alliteration. >> there . >> there. >> there. >> accidentally leading the witness, your honour . witness, your honour. >> yeah, well, we'll see where we look. >> there are no. is the answer just for the sake of balance. >> fair enough. we do appear to be approaching a period of wonder drugs as well, by the way. so, i mean, this is on the front of the express. it's on the front of a couple of them there. why is it only the rich can get the alzheimer's wonder drug? firstly, i would slightly caveat that by saying i did

speak to, someone who at least claimed to be an expert on this earlier today, who did stress to me that this drug is not it's not the most safe thing in the world. >> it's not been this is it's very interesting because it's not been approved for use in europe. so until brexit, we did our medicines regulations. so actually you can't have it in northern ireland because northern ireland because northern ireland because northern ireland is still governed by the by the eu law. so it's only only available privately in england, scotland and wales. >> okay. all right. i actually forgot that we were doing this. but i will i will resurrect it anyway. so amazon decided to do anyway. so amazon decided to do a documentary, not a documentary a documentary, not a documentary a drama about, king edward vi. all right . now, you know, all right. now, you know, obviously we're in a modern world now, and things are things are different, aren't they? and, well, they decided to put a bit of a twist on, on on the original. i think we have a clip of it now. this is. original. i think we have a clip of it now. this is . majesty . of it now. this is. majesty. >> dickens seeing what he . >> dickens seeing what he. >> dickens seeing what he. >> oh, you look terrible. >> oh, you look terrible. >> i don't think i look that

bad, actually. hello, brother. >> cousin jane, your highness says it's a pleasure . says it's a pleasure. >> yes. so king edward was depicted there as black and gay in a period drama. should we be rewriting history like that? our thoughts? anyone? >> i think it's getting quite tiresome. it's clearly an attention seeking device that probably not very good. scripts have to deploy in order to get themselves a bit of publicity before people switch on and switch off after ten minutes, because it's not very good, is it? >> i mean , in— >> i mean , is it? >> i mean , is that the rewriting >> i mean, is that the rewriting of history or is it is it dramatic license for you, susan? what do you think? >> i think it's ridiculous. i think, there is a lot of rewriting of history. it goes back to the pulling down of the statues and all of this history is history. it's there. it's

passed. we can take different views on what happened whenever, but it should be shown as it as it actually was. okay. and, and i just think this is just stupid. >> well, the biggest problem with it, you asked earlier what's wrong with that? the actual technical thing was wrong with it. is is that he died at 16. right. so, and they look about they look about 28. so never mind anything else. i mean, look, i think it's, i think it's fine to tell stories like james i of england, who was james vi of scotland, who pretty much was gay. there was a recent drama that looked at looked at him and, you know, he told the untold story, but, you know, chronicled behind the scenes. it seems a bit daft to try and twist things when they're not there. >> all right, fair enough. right. well, look, it is time now for today's greatest britain and union jackass. now we have a huge amount of time with this. so if we could be relatively snappy with your nominations, who's your greatest briton? please >> patrick katharine birbalsingh, britain's strictest head head teacher, who runs the michaela academy deprived comprehensive school in north—west london. more than 50%

of all the gcse results in her school were grade nine seconds, which is the top grade compared to 5% nationally. if she was running our entire education system, this country's economy , system, this country's economy, family life, everything within 15 minutes, 15 years would be much better. >> oh, there we go. >> oh, there we go. >> i love that, by the way. absolutely. but she is brilliant. mine's an honorary one. if you like. i think it's taylor swift. she brings happiness and joy and a hell of a lot of money to london. let me tell you. which is always good. but she's wonderful. everybody loves her. >> she might be with kamala tonight. we don't know. >> well , there you go. okay. >> well, there you go. okay. >> well, there you go. okay. >> mine is queen camilla. just to see if you can actually not pick her majesty the queen for ongoing work on tackling domestic violence, she's now allowed the itv documentary camera crew in to follow her work on this will be a big boost for campaigners. >> that is great. >> that is great. >> and, but i must say that given today was gcse results day, i have gone for katharine birbalsingh. i just thought was. >> that's you sent to the tower . >> that's you sent to the tower. >> that's you sent to the tower. >> it is me sent to the tower.

it is britain's strictest head teacher. sometimes being strict with kids works right? okay now properly quick, jackass. >> louise hay, transport secretary, for encouraging councils to drop the welsh experiment with 20 mile. an hour low traffic neighbourhoods. all that nonsense. >> so more 20 mile an hour zones. bad thing. go on. great. >> i agree with that. as well. editor ed miliband, telling us all we, you know, we've got to be very environmental savvy. 6000 miles to brazil for a couple of hours meeting. >> yes, yes. »- >> yes, yes. >> two of my good friends and my former boss and a good friend of mine. mine is brian mcnichol, who's an honorary one, brian nichols, who's an honorary one. he is the new boss of starbucks, i pick him because although he's in america, our coffee pays for his nonsense, which is going to commute a thousand miles between his home in newport beach, california, and their headquarters in seattle on a private jet. remember, starbucks has not been uncontroversial on its tax affairs over the years. >> can i just say again, all of those are great. i've gone for ed miliband. all right. i have i have, i have, and i sense it won't be the last if i can't win

with the queen. >> i'm just going to give up. i'm not. i'm always next week. you say that every week. >> i really enjoy tonight. thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you to everybody who's been watching and listening as well. i'll be back on your screens tomorrow at 9 pm. it's headliners next. see you then . headliners next. see you then. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening. here's your latest met office weather forecast for gb news storm lillian is knocking on the door, andifs lillian is knocking on the door, and it's going to bring some unseasonably wet and windy weather to many parts, but particularly in the north as we go through the rest of today, overnight into tomorrow , there overnight into tomorrow, there is a system that's coming in from the west, and it's this thatis from the west, and it's this that is storm lillian already bringing some very wet weather across northern ireland this evening, and that heavy rain and the strong winds will feed into parts of scotland, england and wales as we go overnight. the highest rainfall totals likely to be across parts of southwest scotland. also some eastern coastal parts where a bit of

flooding and some disruption quite likely the wind, the rain. the cloud will keep temperatures up so a relatively warm but very wet and windy start to the day for many of us on friday, as we go through friday itself, then yes, it is going to be a wet start across eastern parts of scotland in particular, but towards the west. here there will be some hefty showers following in behind the persistent rain showers. also for northern ireland. meanwhile, for northern ireland. meanwhile, for northern england, there will be some heavy rain around, but it's the winds that are causing the greatest concern. we're likely to see gusts of around 65 to 75mph in the most exposed spots, perhaps even a little bit stronger than that, as a small core of very strong winds pushes through during tomorrow morning. further south, there will be some rain to start off with, but that should clear away towards the east as we head towards lunchtime. and actually the whole system that is storm lillian clears away towards the nonh lillian clears away towards the north sea. and so for much of england and wales, it's going to be a largely bright, sunny afternoon with temperatures a touch higher than today. further north, temperatures a little bit lower. but there will also be a

scattering of showers and some of these could be quite heavy. looking ahead to the long weekend and watch out for some heavy rain towards

gb news. >> good evening. it's 11:00. gb news. >> good evening. it's11:00. i'm cameron walker here in the newsroom west yorkshire police has confirmed the man arrested after a bradford house fire that killed a mother and three of her children, is the ex—partner of a

woman who was visiting the family. he remains in hospital in a critical condition after bryony gwynne and her children dynasty, who was nine, oscar, who was five, and aubrey birtle, who was five, and aubrey birtle, who was five, and aubrey birtle, who was just 22 months old, were killed. the children's father, jonathan, has released a statement which reads i am absolutely distraught at the sudden loss of my fiance bryony and our beautiful three children. the bbc presenter jermaine jenas, says he's not happy about being sacked from the bbc and that there are two sides to every story. the former footballer was sacked from presenting the one show and match of the day after an alleged complaints about his behaviour, which was subject to an internal investigation by the corporation. a bbc spokesperson says we can confirm that he is no longer part of our presenting line—up. meanwhile, his agency mick saatchi, no longer represents him. jenas is understood to be speaking to lawyers about the issue . two lawyers about the issue. two people have been injured after a stabbing at the chessington

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