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ride. so far. he and his chancellor now find themselves in hot water over plans to aboush in hot water over plans to abolish winter fuel payments for millions of pensioners and former bbc presenter jermaine jenas says he is ashamed and deeply sorry as he admits to sending inappropriate messages to female colleagues. what's next for the disgraced star.7 well, hope you're having a smashing weekend out there. thank you for joining smashing weekend out there. thank you forjoining me. i'm thank you for joining me. i'm dawn neesom and the weekend starts right here and now . starts right here and now. but you know what.7 my favourite part of the weekend is genuinely my favourite part of the week and i was chatting to you slot. so if you want to join in the conversation, have a chit

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offences may have been committed, possibly involving the captain , crew, shipbuilder the captain, crew, shipbuilder or others. the luxury yacht landed on its right hand side. it's now been revealed, but all bodies were found in a cabin on the left hand side of the vessel. detectives have also warned it may take months to unravel the incident . as we unravel the incident. as we heard from dawn at the top of the show, a huge search is now underway for an unidentified knife attacker in western germany after a stabbing spree left three dead and eight others injured. five of those wounded are in a life threatening condition after a man is said to have begun attacking passers—by at random in a market square more than 40 tactical vehicles are now scouring the streets of that western german city, police spokesperson alexander cresta says the security forces are doing everything possible to catch the attacker. >> aber zu einer motivazione witnesses are in shock or can't speak at the moment.

>> they're all being looked after. we have to put everything together like a jigsaw puzzle , together like a jigsaw puzzle, so that we can now expand our search activities and look for the perpetrator . the perpetrator. >> here jermaine jenas has apologised after sending inappropriate messages to two female colleagues. the former footballer has been sacked as a pundh footballer has been sacked as a pundit and presenter by the bbc, but maintains he's done nothing illegal. he also says he is now seeking help. >> this is completely on me, i am 100% in the wrong and i accept full responsibility for that. and it's something that obviously i need to address and look at myself. the family situation is the things that is at the forefront of my mind, that i'm trying to just piece back together, but i've also got to be able to kind of lock myself in the mirror and understand where i've gone wrong and understand that this is on me. it's not on anybody else. there's nobody else to blame here. >> detectives investigating a

fatal house fire in bradford have made more arrests overnight. a mother and her three young children died after their home was reportedly set on fire on purpose . police say that fire on purpose. police say that blaze, starting on wednesday morning, two men, aged 36 and 45, are now in police custody on suspicion of murder, while a 39 year old man arrested at the scene remains critically ill in hospital. police are now appealing for any information as they continue their investigation . well, pressure is investigation. well, pressure is growing on the government to overturn plans to scrap the winter fuel payment. pensioners who don't receive pension credits or other benefits will miss out on up to £300 of support. it comes after the energy regulator put up the price cap, meaning the average energy bill each year will rise by £149 from october. and former prime minister rishi sunak says he also wants a vote in the commons . well, just a quick

commons. well, just a quick update for you on news we're getting from the russia and ukraine conflict . we understand ukraine conflict. we understand at this stage that there have been a number of prisoner exchanges, possibly 115 prisoners of war swapped from each side, facilitated by the united arab emirates. that exchange reportedly involved russian servicemen who were captured during ukraine's incursion into the kursk region, so that news just coming to us from the reuters news agency at this stage not confirmed, but it does appear that a significant sized prisoner swap has taken place. that comes as the prime minister, sir keir starmer, has said britain will back ukrainians today and always, he says in a message to mark the country's 33 years of independence. >> i want you to know that we stand with you for as long as it takes, with whatever it takes until victory, until a just and

lasting peace . lasting peace. >> well, voters in ukraine backed a decision to leave the soviet union in 1991, and here local community groups are planning events to mark that day, including in london, where british ukrainian aid are hosting a special ceremony in holland park . those are the holland park. those are the latest headlines for now. i'll be back with you in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much, sam. now let's get straight into today's story, shall we.7 huge let's get straight into today's story, shall we? huge show for you coming up. loads of live breaking news to cover as well now including this story from germany. a manhunt is underway after three people were killed and eight injured in a knife

attack in western germany. the attacker fled the scene and police are searching for an unknown suspect. a motive for the attack is still not clear ehhen the attack is still not clear either. joining me now is national security expert anthony glees . to explain a little bit glees. to explain a little bit about what happens in these attacks , how these attacks attacks, how these attacks occur. anthony, thank you very much for joining occur. anthony, thank you very much forjoining me this much for joining me this afternoon. now, anthony, we know very little about this attack apart from three people killed, eight injured in the western germany german city of solingen. the attacker fled the scene. and there's no known motive at the moment. but it happened at a festival where 75,000 people were expected to attend , were expected to attend, celebrating this particular city's 650 anniversary. so it was a party atmosphere. it was a festival. anthony, it's festival season. we have the notting hill festival coming up in london and notting hill carnival coming up in london this weekend. so can you just tell us a bit more about, you know, what you know about, you know, what you know about this particular attack and how we, we cope with these

things when they happen ? things when they happen? >> well, dawn, i mean, what we know is that the cops are saying virtually nothing about who they think is the perpetrator. >> they haven't got him. but obviously there are eyewitnesses who saw this who have survived. so we know people were killed . so we know people were killed. we know the perpetrators got away. we know there was stabbing. we know some people saw the perpetrator, but we're not being told what the perpetrator looks like and what the motive could be. yes. soungen the motive could be. yes. solingen is in the western part of germany. basically, you know, famous for its steel and indeed is kitchen knives made in, in soungen. is kitchen knives made in, in solingen . the people in that solingen. the people in that part of germany are very decent, relaxed , laid back. and indeed relaxed, laid back. and indeed this was a festival of diversity and advertised as such. also, to

celebrate the 650th anniversary of the founding of solingen. so the cops say there's no motive. i'm always anxious about that. i mean, obviously the motive was to kill people and to kill people by stabbing them. that can be established straight away, it's worth bearing in mind that these knife crimes are comparatively rare in germany. there are about 9000, knife related incidents in germany in 2023. in the uk, there were 49,000. it's a much bigger problem in britain than it is in germany. so germans are very shocked . what i think needs to shocked. what i think needs to happenis shocked. what i think needs to happen is that people need to be given a very quick idea of whether or not this was terror related. again, the german cops are not particularly good at saying if they think an incident

was terror related. i think they've got to be careful not to inqu they've got to be careful not to insult the intelligence of people in germany, but in europe. more generally, clearly, if you're having a diversity festival, you're likely to attract two completely different types of extremists an islamist extremist who doesn't like the idea of festivals and dancing and jollity and mirth, and then and jollity and mirth, and then a right wing extremist who doesn't like the idea of diversity . so we've got to be diversity. so we've got to be grown up about this . we've got grown up about this. we've got to understand this is in germany, comparatively rare. but knife crime is now a very serious national security risk. and many people must ask themselves whether they're in soungen themselves whether they're in solingen or anywhere else in germany, but also in the uk. how come people are still able to

buy knives that are attack weapons? you can't buy guns just like that. why should you be able to buy knives? so some really big questions that the authorities need to tell us what we need to know, not treat us like idiots and equally , people like idiots and equally, people need to understand that the right way to deal with this sort of thing is legally, through policy changes , not through policy changes, not through riots. and, you know , burning riots. and, you know, burning places down and attacking people. but a big conversation needs to be had and many would say needs to be had very, very quickly. >> yeah, absolutely. anthony. anthony, you you say it could be terrorism that is always unfortunately our first thought. now you know depending on whether it's from, you know, whatever faction it's coming from, is that your gut reaction that there is some kind of terrorism link to this ?

terrorism link to this? >> it is my gut reaction. of course , there are mad people, course, there are mad people, but there is a deliberate kind of motive here of going out to a diversity festival and wanting to stab as many people as you can. so, you know, when the germans say, oh, we don't know what the motive was. excuse me? we do know what the motive. the motive was to kill people at a diversity festival. and, you know , as i as i've said before, know, as i as i've said before, it's very important when we're having this serious conversation about what to do about extremist violence and terrorism in all our societies . we're very our societies. we're very european in this respect that we don't get caught up by people, you know, islamophobia for example. of course, if we are afraid and we think of islamist terrorism because that is what islamist terrorists have wanted us to do, we would be daft not to think of it, but it doesn't mean it necessarily is islamist

terrorism . and of course, to be terrorism. and of course, to be afraid of islamist terrorism is not the same as being afraid of islam. it's a completely different thing and an unjustified thing. islam is a religion of peace and islamism has is a perversion of that religion. to create an extremist, violent ideology. we suffer from it. we suffer from it because we have suffered from it. so we can't run away from these questions, but we need to have them in a sober, calm way. and as i say, banning knives or selling them under license or not selling them under to anybody under the age of 30 would be a real first step. everywhere in europe, including the uk. >> that's brilliant. that's very wise words indeed. national security expert anthony glees. thank you very much for joining us and bringing us up to date on the live breaking story from germany, about three people.

sadly, we hear it all too often danny lee losing their lives at a festival in a knife attack, i have a let's see what my panel make of this. we have jonathan lewis and david curtain. i'm going to come to you first, david, on this one. i mean , we david, on this one. i mean, we hearit david, on this one. i mean, we hear it all too often now. people go out for a nice time. this was a festival celebrating 650 years of this particular city. i know very little about it. i'm. it's in the western part of germany, it's not got a huge population . what do you huge population. what do you make of what you heard overnight coming in on this story ? coming in on this story? >> i mean, the first thing is it's just another horrible incident, isn't it? and you've got nine people stabbed, three of them murdered, three of them dead. now, so you think about the families you think about the communities and how awful it is for them. but you know, there needs to be some statement and some recognition of what this is. and, you know, i'm not going to say who it is, but there are comments and there are eyewitness statements you can see on social media. you can look it up for yourself and see what people are saying about what people are saying about what they think happened there

and who who did the attack. obviously the media, the police are not saying anything because they want to calm down tensions. they don't want any increase in tensions. absolutely. understandably, but, you know, we are in a situation where all across europe, there is an increase in terrorist attacks going on. i mean, you had the issue with the taylor swift concerts cancelled in vienna just a couple of weeks ago. back in march, there was this dreadful terrorist attack in moscow, in russia, where 140 people were killed and the russian authorities there have identified that as isis acting. you've got things happening in this country. i mean, we still don't know hardly anything about the attacker in southport, you know, and we've got pictures of him when he was 11. but, you know, there's nothing about him now. it's all the sort of story seems to have been disappeared. and we don't know anything about that saying to me. >> david, forgive me if i'm putting words into your mouth that you think that some aspects of some crimes are kept quiet to stop inflaming tensions. >> i think absolutely that that is the case. and i think, you know, there is a lot of pressure

on people to keep quiet and to not speculate and not to say what they think. i mean, even on people who are eyewitnesses, you know, here in germany last night there were eyewitness statements, but they're not being mentioned by the police, by the media. but you can see them on social media. and so we really you know, do need to understand here that there there are people coming into this country and other countries in europe, you know, all around europe, you know, all around europe and from other parts of the world who have nefarious intentions to european countries. i mean , there's countries. i mean, there's 20,000 on the terrorist watch list in this country, i think, you know, so we need to recognise that and that that includes islamist terrorists, far, far right, mostly islamist terrorists. you know, it's 84% islamist. we need to recognise that. >> we don't know. no one knows the reasoning behind this attack yet. we know it's horrific. and three people have lost their life. jonathan, what do you make of what's happened and what you've heard? david just say? >> well, i mean, when it comes

to southport, the reason that people aren't talking about it is entirely normal, because it's subjudice. it's now before a court. so it's you wouldn't want to prejudice any judicial proceedings by by discussing it. that's why it's not any kind of conspiracy in terms of this attack. >> i think the point david was alluding to there is the only picture we have seen of the alleged attacker is a picture from his childhood . from his childhood. >> well, i mean, he's just he's just turned 18. i mean, i wouldn't expect to see his entire family album. i mean, it's, you know, we know who the suspect is and that's and that's all there is to it. we know that he was we know. we know all too well the circumstances because of the misinformation that was put out about him when it comes to this attacker, i mean, i couldn't possibly speculate on on who he is. that information hasn't been released. i don't think we've learned if we've learned anything over the last month , is that social media is month, is that social media is not the place that we should be turning to to, find out who committed, violent acts before the police have actually confirmed it because of the risk

of that misinformation, because of that misinformation, because of bad faith, actors trying to inflame tensions where there might not be. and look, i think we also have to be mindful of the fact that ethnicity does not connote intention, the fact that people might be relieved when it turns out that a white person has done it, and it was mental health, for example, people who are not white also have may have mental health problems, and they may not have political motivations. i think we need to get away from this idea that the working definition of terrorism is a violent act committed by a muslim person, that is , that is, muslim person, that is, that is, it's just racism in another form . it's just racism in another form. >> there might be i think what david just said is racist. >> no, i don't think it's racist. i think we have to be incredibly careful in having these conversations, that we avoid getting into this idea that if white people do something, it's mental health. if brown or black people do something, it's somehow kind of a political act. look, in a way , a political act. look, in a way, anything like this is terrorist. even if it doesn't conform to an official label of terrorism, because it makes people scared. it sows terror. it makes people

scared about going congregating in crowds, even if it does turn out that this was someone who was mentally unstable or whatever, you know, obviously people will be relieved if it turns out that it wasn't , you turns out that it wasn't, you know, a political ideology. but the fact remains that those people are still dead and people are still scared about about knife crime. and the fact remains that, sorry, just one one final point, if i may just there's a really important point that anthony was just saying about about knife crime, about buying knives. and that's an important conversation to have . important conversation to have. but the really sad truth of all this is that knives, unlike guns, do appear in every single kitchen. every single kitchen is a lethal armoury. we cannot fundamentally stop that from being the truth. no, that's the problem with the whole banning of the knives thing. >> sorry. >> sorry. >> yeah. no, i mean, obviously you can't stop people from selling knives and buying knives, but there's no reason whatsoever to take a machete out on the street or to take a 12 inch blade to a festival like this. obviously, i don't know the length of the blade, but obviously there's no reason for anyone to take a knife to a

festival and have it in the crowd. so obviously this person wanted to do something . they had wanted to do something. they had an intention. we don't know what it is yet, but we mustn't minimise the threat of islamist terrorism because on the watch list in this country, all around the western world, we know that the western world, we know that the vast majority of terrorist attacks are perpetrated by islamists. and you know what? i'm worried about is that here we have a narrative being created , that it's the far right created, that it's the far right which is the enemy of the state, the far right, which is the problem, which hardly exists in this country. and that minimises the real threat of islamist terror and people coming into europe, coming into the uk with nefarious intentions. and we need to stop them from coming in. we need to stop people coming illegally across the channel because we don't know who is coming across the channel with what intentions and what, you know, criminal intent and some of these people have been engagedin some of these people have been engaged in criminal activity, terrorist activity already . so terrorist activity already. so there is a big, big issue and it

is related to the movements of mass migration that we've had over the last 20 or 30 years. it seems extraordinary thing to say when in the last month we've seen literal riots on the streets, not by muslims. well by by people who are attacking mosques and trying to burn down hotel, a hotel full of asylum seekers. i mean, you can't possibly deny that far right terrorism exists and it's a clear and present threat and actually , if you look at sort of actually, if you look at sort of anti—terrorism organisations, they are much more concerned with islam, islamist extremism exists, obviously, but they are very concerned about the risk of far right extremism. and you shouldn't minimise that either. well, no, i mean, what we've seen over the last 2 or 3 weeks is actually a lot of false information going out, trying to maximise this idea that there's a far right that we need to be worried about. i mean, there's who is it, nick lowles of hope not hate actually put out a tweet saying that there's a muslim person, a muslim woman. there's some some far right

people are threatening to throw acid in their face. that turned out to be completely false, and that nearly created a riot in middlesbrough. there was this information put out one day. there's going to be 100 far right riots going to take place on the wednesday after the mass murders in southport. that was false information that nothing happened at all there. and so there is a lot of false information did happen. no, no, not not on that day. not not on the wednesday, which was nine days after the mass murder in southport, there was nothing happening at all on that day. and that is the fact you can verify that yourself independently if you want to look it up. >> well, gentlemen, we have run out of time there. thank you very much. and just to reiterate that we don't know anything about the attacker in this case, we do know that three people have sadly lost their lives. eight people are injured. it happened last night at 8:30 uk time, half past nine in german time. so, yeah, it's a tiny city as well. 160,000 population,

75,000 people expecting to attend that three day festival to mark the city's 650th anniversary. so thoughts with everybody out there? obviously there are three families at the moment who are who are mourning their lost loved ones. right. but we do move on. for all the best analysis and opinion on that story and more, please do go to our website, which is @gbnews .com. now this is dawn neesom and this is indeed gb news and there is loads more coming up on today's show, including does the tv industry really have a problem with working class? we're having that discussion after this and you want to go anywhere this one's going to get very feisty. see

soon. welcome back to the weekend with me , dawn neesom literally at the me, dawn neesom literally at the weekend. hope you're having a wonderful weekend out there. let's see how many times i can

say the weekend i'm plugging the brand, because the weather isn't great, is it? to be honest with you.so great, is it? to be honest with you. so you might be staying in and watching some telly this weekend. obviously. hope it's gb news because we're the best. but james graham, the writer of the gareth southgate theme play dear england, which is brilliant by the way i've seen it, has criticised the italian television industry for its lack of working class representation . of working class representation. he highlighted government statistics showing that up to 49% of the uk population identifies as working class gorblimey geezer , yet only 8% of gorblimey geezer, yet only 8% of tv industry workers come from that demographic. he has accused broadcasters of avoiding the issue, which he believes is worse than ever. so let's see what my panel make of this . i'm what my panel make of this. i'm making no no aspersions about your classes in any way, shape or form. but jonathan, you are a little bit posh, aren't you ? little bit posh, aren't you? >> is it that obvious? i try, i try, i try so hard to conceal it. >> you cockney accent slipping bit, >> yeah. i mean, obviously when it comes to conversations about

working class people on tv, i am on tv. not in quite the way that he's talking about here, but i am not working class. but there is a there is an issue here, a serious issue. and that he points out, obviously, i'd want to know how where the figure of 8% comes from and how that's kind of defined. i think it's harder to define working class as opposed to other factors such as opposed to other factors such as ethnicity, because class a lot of it comes to down identity as well. a lot of it is economic. and particularly when you talk to economists on the left and they'll they'll define it often as a purely an economic, sort of metric about what are your circumstances now, you can obviously become working class. you can go to you can start working class and become middle class. and in fact, you can grow up middle class and then, you know, not depend on your family in any way and actually become working class, according to some theories. oh, interesting, you know, if you're not, if you're not depending on any kind of family wealth and you're living with people in poverty, technically , are you still

technically, are you still middle class in that situation? would people describe you as middle class? it's interesting. then obviously there's, you know, the upbringing. what kind of education you have, what kind of education you have, what kind of exposure to different culture you have and all this stuff. so it's really complicated. but the point he's making, which i think is a valid one, is that it's very expensive. now to get into the creative industries, which is why you have so many more privately educated kids going into music and acting. you see, you know who the big singers are, who the big actors are. a lot of them went to you know, the top schools in the country. and that can't be for good diversity and inclusion. so that's kind of the conversation. thatis that's kind of the conversation. that is the kind of a better conversation to have, i'd say. >> yeah, they came out with this in his mactaggart lecture in edinburgh to call upon greater opportunities for the, you know, for different classes in tv, because let's face it, we all watch tv. we're all different classes. it's not just, you know, middle class kids who've got a few bob behind them. what do you make of what he said? >> you know, i wonder because i think people are moving away from tv. i mean, obviously not gb news is coming up, you know, within the news sector, but you know, the mainstream channels that we had when i was a kid,

you know, when there were just 2 or 3 channels and, you know, people are moving away from them now because a lot of what they put out is just, you know, just dreadfully woke all the time, you know, it's just dreary watching bbc. i tell you, i don't watch it, but you know, if you want to get into one of those platforms like that, you know, it's very, very hard if you don't come from a moneyed family. i mean, you know, you want to do an internship with them. it's almost like you have to give up six months or a year of your life to work for free, to be a runner or whatever, or to be a runner or whatever, or to do all the dogsbody jobs. so then you get known, and then you can work your way up the ladder for that. but you know, there's not really an entryway for people who come from the working class, who haven't been to university, who are not from a moneyed family, to go into an entry level job, earn 20 or £30,000 a year for your first year or two, and then work up, you know, you can do that in a supermarket, but you can't do that in a media corporation. so it's very, very difficult. but they do have these traineeships, which are paid , under the which are paid, under the equality act. but they are usually for what they call bame.

i hate that acronym. black asian and what's not middle eastern, but minority ethnic. >> i absolutely hate it . >> i absolutely hate it. >> i absolutely hate it. >> i absolutely hate it. >> i haven't met anyone that would fall into that description who actually likes that description. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> no, no, it's dreadful. or if you're lgbt, you know, you can always, you know, stick on a wig and pretend to be a woman and, you know, get yourself an internship if you want to. you know, but but it tends to for be those two groups of people. but it's not for white working class people, especially white working class boys who really get a bad deal from this whole diversity, equality and inclusion narrative and complexes going on. so really , you know, i think there really, you know, i think there needs to be, you know, true diversity, not just diversity of characteristics, but diversity of opinions . of opinions. >> interesting that you mentioned that. i mean, you know, of a person of colour. do you think that we should take classism in this country more seriously, a bit like we take racism? rightly so , very

racism? rightly so, very seriously. do you think that we maybe should consider the discrimination, as you say? certainly white working class boys suffer in this country. >> well, absolutely they do. i mean, i really feel for those i mean, i really feel for those i mean, having been a teacher for a very, very long time and you see that the opportunities for white working class boys are really, really not there in the same way that you might be if you, you know, you were an upper class woman, you know, you get more opportunities if you're if you're in that characteristic than, than, than otherwise. so really, you know, there's not an equal starting point for people, you know, for different characteristics, but also for different classes. but you know, there are different opportunities. i mean, people can go into technical education and learn a trade. and i think that's something that we really need to focus on a lot more so that people who have that aptitudes, that are technical rather than academic don't fall behind. and that's the way to do things, really. that would benefit the most people. >> you, jonathan, should we treat classism in the same way as we treat racism ?

as we treat racism? >> well, i mean, it depends on what you're talking about. if you're talking about discrimination , then if you can discrimination, then if you can prove discrimination on the grounds of class, then absolutely. that should be treated very seriously. obviously classism, as you call it, doesn't have the same kind of history and sort of perniciousness as racism. you know, obviously racism is to led sort of actual genocides taking place in the past, which is not that although, mind you, i suppose he did have he did have extreme persecution of different classes at various points in history, in the russian revolution, etc. obviously discrimination is on protected characteristics is always a bad thing, and i think that it's really important in this country to provide opportunities for working class people so they can have the same opportunities as everybody else. that's not something that i think a lot of people would disagree with. >> but you you do think from what you were saying earlier that you can change classes so you can start off working class and become middle class. you

can, you know, start off middle class and become working class. >> i think that's i think that is obviously a lot less common. yeah. and it tends to be not permanent as well. i'm sort of thinking about the example that a lot of people on the left give about sort of people in their 20s who might have come from quite wealthy backgrounds but are now not depending on their families in any way and are struggling. and should those people be considered sort of more privileged? maybe they are in some ways, but they are also living the same lives as other people. who does that make you? >> just does that make you just poorer, or does that make you working class? >> yeah. i mean, the whole sort of metric of upper class, middle class, working class doesn't really work anymore in the 21st century. i think a more useful metric is a b, c one, c, two d and e, which is what marketeers use, and working class would generally tend to be c two, d and c two would be workers in jobs that now will actually pay quite well plumbers, electricians, builders, carpenters. they often get paid more than c1's who are nurses and teachers, for example. so,

you know, so in a sense, i do agree with you, jonathan, that actually people who are traditionally working class in some of those traditionally working class jobs actually do better than some people in traditionally professional jobs these days. so that's maybe a more accurate way of looking at things. but the point, the point is that in britain, which is such a deeply obsessed country with class, we don't actually privilege the monetary aspect of it. we kind of think about, you know, other metrics that other people in other countries would find so strange. like, do you go to the theatre? do you go to art galleries? what kind of music do you listen to? these cultures, these cultural artefacts that kind of mark people out as class. the way people look , the class. the way people look, the kind of dress, dress, the kind of clothes they wear, the names they have for their children, all this kind of stuff that if you kind of someone came from mars, they just wouldn't be able to understand in a way that someone from not this country would be able to understand a kind of monetary stratification, financial sort of differentiations. the culture is much harder to get a grip on. yeah. no, absolutely.

>> speaking of someone who's middle name is maureen. thanks mum. good old fashioned working class name there, right? we have to move on right now, but let me know what you think. i mean, you know, what class are you? how do you define your class? do you think you can change class? what class would you describe david beckham? as for example, very simple to get in touch gbnews.com/yoursay let us know . gbnews.com/yoursay let us know. class. huge debate, isn't it? right. okay, we're moving on. running out of time. blimey, blimey. working class. sorry, i'm dawn neesom. this is gb news. and there's lots more coming up on today's show. we're raising a glass. it's the weekend, after all, to the best pub in scotland. what exactly has done to earn that prestigious title? find

break. oh, sorry. just talking about pubs here. welcome back. this is the weekend with me, dawn neesom. which is why we're talking about pubs, because it's a bank holiday weekend and i hope you're having a really good one out there, now, we were going to go up to scotland, but

we are having trouble going to scotland's best pub because they're obviously enjoying scotland's best pub , possibly scotland's best pub, possibly a little bit too much, if you know what i mean . so in the meantime, what i mean. so in the meantime, we're going to talk about what's potentially going to be the cotswolds best pub, top gear to top beer. see what we did there? jeremy clarkson. hundreds of people have been queuing to beat some of the first punters inside jeremy clarkson's new pub in oxfordshire. it's called the farmer's dog and it opened to the public at midday yesterday . the public at midday yesterday. and prime minister keir starmer has already been banned. hasn't even been there, so it's a bit of fun, but is this like the opening of a new ikea? >> like what is what is going on there? >> it is that bad. so let's see. i still have jonathan. let's say you've just heard and david kirton with me, and i said it's a bank holiday weekend so we can talk about pubs with impunity. right now. i mean this is it's called the farmer's dog and it's just outside of burford, just off the a40. jeremy clarkson brought his razor and yesterday there was a four hour queue for a pint at the newly opened bar. i'm sorry, david, there's no way on earth i'm queuing anywhere.

>> oh, no. »- >> oh, no. >> for sea glass. >> for sea glass. >> three one hours. gosh, it defeats the object , doesn't it? defeats the object, doesn't it? i mean, it looks like a lovely pub. i'm going to go sometime. it's wonderful, you know? great place, but, i mean, i wouldn't want a queue four hours for fight. >> i mean, that was just the opening thing, but i mean, every sensible person i know, regardless of whether you like jeremy clarkson or not, that's actually neither here nor there. it's like i say, i wouldn't mind going if i'm down in the cotswolds, i'm going to pop in. but the serious point of this story and what, to be fair, clarkson's doing is like he's done with his farm, diddly squat farm, which has been very popular tv series. it is actually promoting the british pub. jonathan. we know they're closing at a rate of knots in this country. >> yeah, that's something that we can all support. i mean, not the closing, the promotion. >> no no no no, i'm doing my bit personally to keep them open. >> yeah yeah yeah. look, look, i certainly wouldn't. kiefer. there are very few things in life like kiefer eras tour and thatis life like kiefer eras tour and that is not one of them. but for sure, i'm sure it'll do very well. i'd love to pop in next time i'm in the cotswolds. it's a really, really beautiful part of the world, obviously, and obviously the biggest story of this in the last couple of days

is how he's banned keir starmer. the keir starmer has received the first bar from the pub, which i'm sure will be devastating for the prime minister, who's surely hoping to p0p minister, who's surely hoping to pop in in the opening weekend. but i expect he'll get over it. >> i suspect they're good mates, don't you ? clarkson and keir don't you? clarkson and keir starmer i can see. >> i guess he doesn't live too far away with the prime minister's residence at chequers. that's up near there, isn't it? that's in oxfordshire as well. so i guess he's sort of as well. so i guess he's sort of a local, i mean within ten miles or so. so mark my words, it's not going to be ten years from now. they'll be doing a podcast together. >> yeah, they will be actually. yeah. stranger things have happened. but i mean i mean, it's strange you mention where sir keir starmer actually said, because this is jeremy clarkson's comment on why sir keir starmer is banned. he's actually on a board in the hall. this is clarkson talking. he's banned, he , i don't think any of banned, he, i don't think any of them have set foot out of kentish town, which is in north london for the last 35 years. clarkson said of the entire cabinet. they're a hopeless bunch. starmer hasn't done much to endear himself to me yet. we'll have a look at farming . it we'll have a look at farming. it might turn around. you never know. so, i mean, this is the

thing. i mean, the political point here, david, isn't it? it's like you know, jeremy clarkson has raised, you know, the issues of farmers in this country and how much of a struggle it is for them and is now doing the same for the pub trade. so there is a serious point to what clarkson is doing. >> absolutely. i mean, these are two things which are part of our heritage pubs and farms. you know, we need farms obviously, to grow food and we are not self—sufficient in food in this country and we're going the wrong way. on self—sufficiency in food. and i think, you know, what the policies of this government are to pave over lots of farms with solar panels and wind turbines and housing estates, and also to do rewilding. it'sjust estates, and also to do rewilding. it's just going to be a disaster for our food production. they need to go the opposite way and support farmers to grow food. all over the country like we've done before. and they also need to support the pubs because it's very, very difficult for them. they're obviously competing with new technology . people stay at home, technology. people stay at home, you know, watch things on the internet these days and have a glass of wine at home. so that's

a competing with people going out and seeing their friends at a pub. but then, you know, they can do things like stop increasing rates on pubs through local councils to help them out a little bit more, but they're going the opposite direction on this and they need to support them. i mean, chase the pub are incredibly expensive, you know, if you want to have a few drinks, you buy a round for someone you know, then you have a few people. after a couple of hours, you might have easily spent 50, £50, £60, sometimes a lot more. and that's just not sustainable for a lot of people. so it has become a kind of a luxury experience, which is really sad. and it also explains why so many of them are closing. >> yeah, no. and pubs are not just about drinking. they're also about the community, aren't they?! also about the community, aren't they? i mean, i live in the working class. i live in the east end of london and some of our local pubs. you would see so many older people in there just just nursing, like literally half a pint of bitter, but just to get the company and to just have a chat and to get some social, you know, probably living on their own just to meet people. and both of those pubs

now our local pubs have shut the other point jeremy clarkson was making though, is, going back to your point and he says , it cost your point and he says, it cost me £0.74 per sausage to get one of his own pigs from his farm, slaughtered and cooked. but if he buys an imported pig to meat make sausage, it's only £18. so there's something profoundly wrong with the food industry at every level in this country. >> yeah, i mean, i'd be really interested to see where those figures are coming from. like why? why it would be so much more expensive , to produce your more expensive, to produce your own meat than to import it, because i think that if anything, importing food has probably become costlier, since we kind of put up trade barriers with that, with, with our neighbours, i can't remember. are you blaming brexit? i can't, i wasn't even gonna, i wasn't even, i wasn't even going to mention that word. you mentioned it. not me. >> we're having a lovely chat about pubs and he has to go. >> well, when you're talking about farm, when you're talking about farm, when you're talking about farming, we do need to. we do need to talk about farming

actually. and what what brexit has done for farming, not only what brexit has done for farming and a lot of farmers will tell you that it's completely decimated. a lot of their business. and now you have the government negotiating trade deals with countries. and the main things those countries want are better access for their meat in this country. and that's why so many farmers say that the last government sold them out when it came to the trade deal with australia, where we really didn't get anything other than a positive headline in the daily mail that we'd signed the deal and australia had even better access to our market for their meat. it's getting all excited again. >> do you want a quick comment? >> do you want a quick comment? >> absolutely not. it's not brexit that is destroying farmers in this country. it is the what's the governments have done both under johnson and done both underjohnson and sunak and now starmer continuing this and actually making farm subsidies related to, the whole green agenda and sustainability. so they're getting payments for wind turbines, they're getting payments for rewilding. they're getting payments for not growing food in some cases, rather than

actually giving them subsidies for what they produce. and that would benefit farmers and that would benefit farmers and that would benefit farmers and that would benefit food . would benefit food. >> so we start off with a nice, friendly chit chat about a pub, andifs friendly chit chat about a pub, and it's straight onto the b word. >> i never talk about door. >> i never talk about door. >> i never talk about brexit anymore. it used to be my thing. i don't hardly talk about it. >> you're cancelled. you're both going huge. thanks to both of you. as my, political commentator, jonathan, liz and leader of herefordshire, david curzon. thank you very much for joining me on a saturday afternoon, and thank you for staying with me on a saturday afternoon, because there's loads more coming up. i'm dawn neesom this is gb news and we have indeed got a packed show coming up in just a few minutes. we are actually going to the biggest stories from the world of sport with broadcast sporting supremo adrian aidan magee. don't go go too far. we'll see you

soon. oh, there you are. hello. welcome back to the weekend . welcome back to the weekend. it's me dawn neesom keeping you company on a saturday lunchtime.

it's a bit soggy out there, so you might as well just stay and watch me. it's good fun and you can have a chat as well. remember very, very simple. get in touch. gbnews.com/yoursay have a chat with me. whatever you want to talk about . okay. you want to talk about. okay. but now we're going to talk about sport because it is a bank houday about sport because it is a bank holiday weekend, isn't it? and i have got a broadcaster sporting supremo, let's say aidan magee with me to bring us up to speed on the sport. but most importantly, i want to talk about i'm sorry, i know i'm shallow. i want to talk about jermaine jenas. >> yeah. look, he's on the front of. yeah, yeah . so i mean look, of. yeah, yeah. so i mean look, i mean i first covered him in nottingham forest when he was 17. a few months later, he got a move to newcastle. he made his debut for england on the same night in in february 2003 against australia. as much as mr wayne rooney, who is in action just a few miles down the road from here today with plymouth. and so i mean , i just felt like and so i mean, ijust felt like he peaked at tottenham. i just felt he chucked his career in a little bit early because he wanted to do this kind of work. and so i introduced him to kind of i wasn't the first to

introduce him. i don't think, but i certainly introduced him to tv outside of his normal football duty. and i got him on sky a few times and he was good. he was decent. he was he was very reliable. he was amenable, very reliable. he was amenable, very personable. i didn't necessarily think he had the charisma to go as far as he did. if you'd said to me in 2012 that he was going to be on the one show, i'd have said you were barking mad, quite frankly. but look, this decent guy. but when l, look, this decent guy. but when i, when i knew him, hadn't, haven't, you know, drifted apart, i'd say in the last ten years or so, but i still have his number and i've seen him at the odd time here and there. he just went the bbc route. when i stayed at sky, that was all it was. but in terms of this, i mean, somebody got hold of him in the last day and a half and said, look, there might if you play said, look, there might if you play things right, a crisis management kind of agent, we've all come across them. phil hall and suchlike will have got in contact with him and said, look, maybe, maybe there's a route out of this. if you do x, y and z. so and also dawn, if you're in his situation, what have you got to lose? because i can't see anybody picking him up. now, if you've got a choice, there are loads of people who want to do what he wants to do. what he does, who can, who can do that,

they can probably do it cheaper and so for the avoidance of any of any issues going forward, you're probably going to say, well, all right, we won't do jj this time. we'll go with somebody else who's up and coming. and i just don't think it's worth the hassle. >> in case you've been living under a rock and you haven't seen the front page of the sun, i believe we just flashed it up there, this is your main genius exclusive sun, he's been texting women, basically. who he worked with. yeah. >> he's apologised. >> he's apologised. >> flirty text and the sun is are sort of like mea culpa. pages two, three, four, five. so five pages of it. he's apologising to his wife. it wasn't physical, but it was cheating. he's saying i'm self—destructive and i've let my family down. >> he's having therapy for that. he said he's also said he's considering legal action against the bbc for the way it was handled. alex k joel cauchi, who's head of recently appointed head of sport at the bbc, released a statement via his phone. it just seemed a very strange thing to do, he told. he told employees not to contact him as well. >> yeah, it was almost like there was a panic going on, wasn't there? but we'll see. he has been cancelled and lost his job at the one show. so any case, i'm dawn neesom gb news lots more coming up on today's show. but first, the really important thing on a bank

houday important thing on a bank holiday weekend is, oh yeah, the weather. here it is . weather. here it is. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. it remains changeable over the next 24 hours. further showers and longer spells of rain . longer spells of rain. temperatures on the cool side, particularly under the cloud and rain and looking at the bigger picture, low pressure generally in charge of our weather through the rest of the weekend. weather systems pushing through on quite a brisk westerly breeze as well. the rest of saturday we have blustery showers, particularly across the north and the west of the uk. some of these will be heavy, most frequent across northwestern parts of scotland overnight. some clear spells developing in places. driest weather always across central and eastern areas but quite breezy . temperatures on the breezy. temperatures on the fresh side dropping to down around 9 to 11 celsius, taking us into sunday morning. but there'll be plenty of sunny

spells across central and eastern areas, cloud already thickening across the west, and if we zoom into scotland, we can see northern and western parts of scotland . fairly cloudy, of scotland. fairly cloudy, showery outbreaks of rain. best of the sunshine towards aberdeenshire. first thing that cloud approaching parts of northern ireland into southwest scotland , with outbreaks of rain scotland, with outbreaks of rain and the cloud extending through the morning into wales and the west country. some sunny spells initially, but clouding over fairly quickly. the best of the sunshine across the midlands, eastern and southeast england to start sunday through the morning and into the afternoon , this and into the afternoon, this cloud and rain will push its way eastwards across central and northern parts. some heavy bursts of rain possible with this and the winds pick up too, with strengthening gusts around the hills and around the coast. as well. further south, breezy, but largely dry temperatures rising to around 20 or 21 celsius, and the best of the sunshine. cool under the cloud and rain 14 to 16 celsius. and that rain continues to push into the north sea as we head through the north sea as we head through the evening time and overnight elsewhere. further showers

pushing in from the atlantic and staying on the breezy side. but looking through next week, there's some improvement. with there's some improvement. with the weather, we'll see temperatures lifting perhaps as high as 26 to 28 celsius by midweek. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb. news >> good afternoon. it's exactly afternoon. it's exactly 1:00 and this is saturday, the >> good afternoon. it's exactly 1:00 and this is saturday, the 24th of august. evidently, 24th of august. evidently, although the weather would have although the weather would have you think it's maybe october you think it's maybe october already. this is the weekend on already. this is the weekend on gb news now . three people have gb news now . three gb news now. three people have died and eight injured after a knife attack in western germany. died and eight injured after a knife attack in western germany. police say the suspect and police say the suspect and motives are unknown and a motives are unknown and a manhunt is underway. we have all manhunt is underway. we have all the latest on that breaking story for you and former bbc motives are unknown and a manhfor is underway. we have all motives are unknown and a manhfor youmderway. we have all motives are unknown and a manhfor you and way. we have all motives are unknown and a

manhfor you and formere have all presenter jermaine jenas says he story for you and former bbc presenter jermaine jenas says he is ashamed and deeply sorry as is ashamed and deeply sorry as he admits to sending he admits to sending inappropriate messages to female inappropriate colleagues. what is next for the he admits to sending inappropriatwhat is next for disgraced star though? and of course it is a bank holiday weekend. 19 million people are expected to hit the road for leisure trips and more than 2 million expected to fly overseas. they've all been warned of likely disruption. i'll be getting the top tips from a travel guru coming soon. i'm john eastman, this is indeed the weekend. thank you for joining me . joining me. calming those titles , aren't calming those titles, aren't they? but the bit in the middle does look like a plate, which makes you hungry. but it is a lunchtime, so i hope you're having a smashing bank holiday

simply visit gbnews.com forward, slash your say and join our conversation. keeping me company. this hour. another cracking panel for you is former editor of the labourlist peter edwards, fresh from a parkrun in the rain. that's admirable and former conservative party special adviser charlie rowley fresh from blow drying his hair. possibly because it is raining. but before we get into today's stories, let's get the news headunes stories, let's get the news headlines with sam francis , who headlines with sam francis, who also has immaculately blowdried hair. what can i say ? hair. what can i say? >> very good afternoon to you. it's just after 1:00 and the top story this lunchtime, a manslaughter investigation has begun into the sinking of a he admits to sending inapp|yacht what is next for he admits to sending super yacht in sicily, which inapp|yacht in1at is next for he admits to sending inapp|yacht in sicily, 1ext for he admits to sending inapp|yacht in sicily, which' super yacht in sicily, which british. where british tech british. where british tech tycoon mike lynch and his 18 tycoon mike lynch and his 18

year old daughter hannah lost year old daughter hannah lost their lives . prosecutors say their lives . prosecutors say their lives. prosecutors say they believe offences were motivations their lives. prosecutors say they believe offences were committed, possibly involving committed, possibly involving the captain. the crew , the captain. the crew , the captain. the crew, shipbuilder or others. the the captain. the crew, shipbuilder or others. the luxury yacht landed on its right luxury yacht anybody else. hand side, but all bodies were found in a cabin on the left hand side of the vessel . hand side of the vessel. detectives are now warning that it could take months to unravel the incident . a huge search is the incident. a huge search is underway for an unidentified knife attacker in western germany after a stabbing spree left three dead and eight injured, five of those who were wounded are now in a life threatening condition after a man is said to have begun attacking passers by at random in a market square . more than 40 in a market square. more than 40 tactical vehicles have been scouring the streets of that west german city. police spokesperson alexander cresta says that security forces are doing everything possible to catch the attacker , but zu einer catch the attacker, but zu einer

me. it's not on anybody else. there's nobody else to blame here. >> detectives investigating a

fatal house fire in bradford have made more arrests overnight. a mother and her three young children died after their home was reportedly set on fire on purpose. on wednesday morning. two men, aged 36 and 45, are now in police custody on suspicion of murder, while a 39 year old man arrested at the scene remains critically ill in hospital. police are also now appealing for any information as they continue their investigation . pressure is investigation. pressure is growing on the government to overturn plans to scrap the winter fuel payment. pensioners who don't receive pension credits or other benefits are set to miss out on up to £300 of support. it comes after the regulator put up the price cap, meaning the average annual energy bill will now rise by £149 from october. and former prime minister rishi sunak says he also wants to see a vote in the commons in the us. robert f kennedy jr has suspended his own independent presidential bid to

instead back donald trump. however, some of his family have said that decision is a betrayal of their values, calling it a sad end to a sad story. the nephew of former president jfk joined the republican nominee on stage last night in arizona, with trump claiming the democrats want to arrest and silence their political rivals. >> his candidacy has inspired millions and millions of americans, raised critical issues that have been too long ignored in this country, and brought together people from across the political spectrum. in a positive campaign grounded in the american values of his father, robert kennedy, a great man, and his uncle , president man, and his uncle, president john f kennedy. man, and his uncle, president john f kennedy . and i know that john f kennedy. and i know that they are looking down right now, and they are very, very proud of bobby. i'm proud of bobby. you want to know the truth? >> and finally , two stages at >> and finally, two stages at leeds festival will remain

closed for the rest of the weekend after being damaged by storm lilian. some fans are calling for refunds after several live acts were forced to cancel their shows. passengers across the north west are also being encouraged to check trains today, while network rail's response teams remove fallen trees from the tracks. and this morning there was a met office yellow weather warning across london, kent and essex . those london, kent and essex. those are the latest headlines for now. i'll be back with you in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you very much, sam. it's making my tummy rumble. that logo. i'm sorry. it does look like a dinner plate right now. loads of you have been getting your thoughts sent in and please do keep them coming. it's very simple

gbnews.com/yoursay, but the first thing i'm going to do is. amanda. hello amanda. happy saturday and indeed, happy birthday. 50 years young today and your birthday buddy is rupert grint and you're a potter nut. so happy days indeed. so that's lovely, and catherine, thank you very much. a very important part. and, catherine, we are coming to this story later in the show, afternoon, dawn . good show. but why does no dawn. good show. but why does no one mention the pensioners with a very small private pension added to the state pension? it's not a benefit. who cannot claim the pension credit when we're talking about fuel poverty? i'm 77 and losing the winter fuel allowance and will be devastating . lots of you getting devastating. lots of you getting in touch about that one. and thatis in touch about that one. and that is such we are moving to on that is such we are moving to on that discussion earlier on because it is a very angry, including my mum who's not messaging because she hates technology, by the way, and lots of you are getting in touch about jeremy clarkson's farm as well, saying i hope he hasn't gone too green. i'm getting the

impression he hasn't to be honest with you, but it does sound like it's an awful lot. and it wasn't a free advert. i haven't been invited. i'm not getting paid, by the way, but keep your messages coming in, it's very important to have your say. and that's what we're here for. because it's all about you, isn't it? gb news. now let's start with the breaking news in germany that a manhunt is underway after three people were killed and eight seriously injured in a knife attack in western germany. the attacker fled the scene, and police are searching for an unknown suspect. a motive for the attack is still not clear . so let's see is still not clear. so let's see what my panel make of this. one is former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards, and former conservative party special adviser charlie rowley gentleman. obviously, a horrific story breaking from germany overnight. a very small city, 75,000 people, a population of 160,000. 15 miles east of dusseldorf, 75,000 people expected to attend a music

festival there this weekend. and at a 930 last night, someone went berserk with a knife and took the lives of three innocent festival goers. it's a story we feel like we hear way too many times at the moment. peter, what did you make of this story coming in from germany? >> well, i think we all feel the same. >> it's horrific. >> it's horrific. >> it's horrific. >> it's incredibly sad. and how terrifying it must have been for anyone who is there. and you know, all our thoughts are with the victims and their families. >> you rightly said we don't know the motives of what happened yet. >> i did note, actually , someone >> i did note, actually, someone referred to as a perpetrator is still at large. so i think in the very short term, german police need to find that person and i'm sure they're working around the clock to do so. >> they say they have got a manhunt. now, we don't have any information about the attacker at all, charlie. i mean, it would be helpful. there are supposedly eyewitnesses. it would be helpful to know the sort of, you know, who we're looking for. i mean, a

description. if you've got a manhunt, which kind of man are we hunting? yeah, i think that's absolutely right. >> and, you know, in today's world, everybody in particular at the festival, everybody would have a phone out . have a phone out. >> you would have thought there would be some. >> you know, it's surprising that there aren't that many sort of images circulating on social media. >> however horrific it might be. we tend to see when you see an attack like this or any kind of atrocity, it's captured by someone's device or or other. >> but the most interesting thing also is that, you know, it was a festival that was, celebrating diversity. >> it seems to be the festival of diversity. >> so, you know, without speculating, because obviously you never know the motives of any individual that carries a knife or why they carry out the attacks that they do. >> but, you know, it is a festival of bringing people together that are hoping to celebrate each other's different cultures or different sort of backgrounds, a unifying festival where someone has obviously taken it upon themselves to to, disrupt that. >> it's horrible, isn't it? let's go to germany now and speak to a member of the european parliament, maximilian krah. maximilian, thank you very much for joining krah. maximilian, thank you very much forjoining us this much for joining us this afternoon, thoughts with you all

in germany, a horrific attack on what should have been a peaceful festival that just sounded like so many people having a lot of fun.can so many people having a lot of fun. can you bring us up to date on what's happening in germany at the moment? do we know any more about what happened ? and more about what happened? and you know, the manhunt that's underway ? underway? >> well, you don't get me in germany, you get me in my summer vacation, as you say. >> and yesterday we were together with friends from that town, from solingen when the news came in. and of course, we were shocked and there is no doubt for no one in germany that this is a new attack forced by the open border policy that germany sees since 2015. there are so many people in, we don't know who who they are , and it's know who who they are, and it's a knife attack. it's a typical sign for a new attack by one of those came in since 2015. so we will see a new debate on migration. and we need this debate on migration. are the consequences of the open border

policy? are so disastrous for the country that this is now the game changing issue for the regional elections in east germany on september 1st. >> we don't actually know the motivation for this attack at the moment. we just we just know that it the moment. we just we just know thatitis the moment. we just we just know that it is a is a knife attack. but you mentioned straight away your initial reaction was the open border policy. can you tell me more about why you say that? >> i mean, usually a knife attack is synonym for an attack by one of the immigrants that came freshly in my friends with whom i celebrated yesterday evening from sterling. and they were a third generation immigrants from turkey, and they immediately say germany is crazy. we all know who is using knives. so i stabbing with a knife is not a typical, crime committed by immigrants of second or third generations or by ethnic germans. this is a typical first generation issue. germany did not know, knife stabbings before 2015. so it is

absolutely likely that it is, connected with the open border policy. and the police is looking for a person with what they call a south, a sudden descent, they call it a he looks like a southerner. this is a it's a coach for, someone who comes from a southern country. >> oh, this is total speculation . >> oh, this is total speculation. let's get the facts first. >> but this is what the police is . is. >> this is what the police is officially looking for . so, i officially looking for. so, i don't know. one single german who really believes that this is not related to the open border policy . so maybe we are all policy. so maybe we are all wrong, but this is this is a situation in the country now. >> and maximilian krah, thank you very much for joining us, bringing us up to date. now, obviously maximilian has his opinions, very strong opinions, but we would like to say we don't know. we can't speculate on what's gone on here. the only facts that we know is that three people have lost their lives at

a festival. we are in the middle of festival season , so we can't of festival season, so we can't speculate. i know you were getting quite angry about what you were hearing there, peter. >> well, well, it's irresponsible to speculate for maximilian to talk about open borders . you know, barely 24 borders. you know, barely 24 hours after it's happened. >> let's get the facts first. >> let's get the facts first. >> surely in britain, after recent events, you know, we should know that more than anyone. should know that more than anyone . why speculate and spread anyone. why speculate and spread fear? you know that the german police will tell us what's happenedin police will tell us what's happened in due course. but within, within hours of the attack. i think it's stupid to for maximilian to go on tv and guess about the causes . guess about the causes. >> what do you make, charlie, of what you've just heard . what you've just heard. >> well i think. no i mean i do agree with peter bebe, it's important to get the facts because as peter again rightly said, on the back of that three terrible stabbings and killings that we saw in southport, it was misinformation about the perpetrator being not from this country that sparked a whole series of events that we saw bringing the police into to action and things like that . action and things like that. but, there is obviously a motive and if it is the case that it is

someone who is clearly unhinged to do what they've done, but it is on the back of a policy that a lot of people do care about. so it's we've got to get the balance right of understanding the facts, but then we've got to be in a position to talk about perhaps why these things happen. and so, you know, we can't shut down the debate about immigration in this country on the back of far right riots. thatis the back of far right riots. that is totally wrong. and the killings were, as i say, the misinformation that led about those riots . but we had rights those riots. but we had rights nonetheless. but there is obviously in this country an issue with illegal migration. there's no justification for the far right rights, but it's an explanation because there is a strength of feeling that for too long, successive governments in this country haven't dealt with illegal migration properly. and if you're seeing something similar in germany, if you're seeing it in france, obviously with the rise of le pen, if you're seeing it with the italian prime minister from the far right, you know, it is something that is happening in europe. we can't shut down that debate. and i think that's what we've got to be careful about as well. >> do you think charlie has got a point there by by shutting down the debate that you are

encouraging people to be, to be more worried about what's going on, not just in this country, but in maybe other countries as well? >> i do think we are shutting down the debate. >> i mean, i think migration is debated on television every day of the year, but i'd make a wider point, which is we don't know whether the attacker was an illegal migration or not. so i don't know why we're using the phrase illegal migrant when we don't know if the person was an illegal migrant. we know almost nothing that that is the thing. >> we don't know anything. but charlie , you come back to that. charlie, you come back to that. it was a festival. loads of people with mobile phones and we don't know any information . don't know any information. there are people putting messages on there saying, why don't we know anything? and making the point we have no information . surely we should information. surely we should have some more. if there's a manhunt underway for this person. >> yeah, exactly. oh actually, we have some live breaking news for you on this particular. >> ironically, it says that german police say a person has been detained and they are investigating a possible connection to the stabbing attack. so actually that in theory, we've got someone now , theory, we've got someone now, which is good. and that's a

pretty fast reaction. this only happened at around 930 last night. german time. so we have got someone. so hopefully we'll get a few more answers because as you say, peter, the speculation is the dangerous thing here. >> well, that's why i've relatively little to say. you know, it's obviously good that german police have made an arrest, but public safety's essential. but it's too early to have a debate about migration. repeat. we don't know anything about the background of the person arrested , person arrested, >> one last word, charlie. yeah, well , very >> one last word, charlie. yeah, well, very good that someone has been detained and so swiftly because, you know, just as, you know, as we've experienced in this country, as peter said at the start, you know, if you are a parent in this country, obviously you're going to be fearing for your children's lives if they're attending things over the summer holiday, particularly this bank holiday. >> and people similarly in germany would want to know who is on the run. luckily someone has now been caught. do you want to know who it was and what they looked like? in order to ensure that you and your family stay? >> festival season. lots of people, lots of young people.

leaves and reading happening this weekend. obviously we've got the notting hill carnival in london this weekend, and yes, so we will bring you all the breaking news on that story as and when we have it throughout the day here on gb news. and for the day here on gb news. and for the best analysis and opinion on that story, please do go to our website which is gbnews.com. i'm dawn neesom. this is gb news and there's lots more coming up on today's show. it has incredibly been 50 days of keir starmer as prime minister he and his chancellor are currently in very hot water. it's fair to say over that abolition of winter fuel payments for millions of pensioners, all of that and much more to come. this is gb news, britain's news channel. don't go far. we'll see you very

soon. welcome back to the weekend with me, dawn neesom. hope you're having a lovely bank holiday saturday out there now. keir starmer celebrates 50 days as prime minister and what a busy

50 days it's been for the pm, hasn't it? with renewed pressure this week over his government's decision to scrap the winter fuel payments. meanwhile, ofgems energy price cap will increase by 10% from october, the first for a typical household in england, scotland and wales, but this has come as a double whammy for pensioners. you've had your winter fuel allowance taken away and now the price cap is changing. i'm joined by gb news political correspondent olivia utley to explain how labour are going to wriggle their way out of this one because it doesn't look good, does it? >> no, this is a really, really tncky >> no, this is a really, really tricky hole that labour has found themselves in when rachel reeves announced just a couple of weeks ago that she would be massively scaling back those winter fuel payments , cutting it winter fuel payments, cutting it altogether for around 10 million pensioners by making it means tested rather than just given to everyone. it was controversial, but yesterday it was announced that ofgem would be raising its

energy price cap for the first time since last january , meaning time since last january, meaning that for the average household, pnces that for the average household, prices will go up by about 10%. now, as you say , dawn, that is a now, as you say, dawn, that is a double whammy for pensioners. just when they're losing their winter fuel payments. as we're going into winter, by the way, their energy prices will go up and obviously it will be pensioners who are affected worse by this because pensioners tend to be around their house for longer. they're not out at work. it sort of goes without saying. there is now a lot of pressure on rachel reeves from all sides of the political spectrum to change her mind on this, to do a u—turn, you've got the conservatives tabling an early day motion that's basically a parliamentary mechanism to force a debate on the issue in the house of commons. then you've got people like john mcdonnell, the former shadow chancellor, under jeremy corbyn. as i say, all sides of the political spectrum also calling on keir starmer to change his mind about this. plus independent experts like martyn lewis, the well respected financial guru. will rachel

reeves change her mind about this? it is a very tricky one and actually what happens to pensioners isn't the only problem that this ofgem hike throws up. it will also have big knock on effects on the economy. yes, pensioners and households will be badly affected, but so too will british businesses. and last time, last january, when we saw prices hiked by far more than this time, it should be said we did see swathes of pubs and restaurants having to close for good because they simply could not keep up with those energy payments . that's not what energy payments. that's not what keir starmer wants when he says that he wants to go for growth. the economic backdrop for the new prime minister suddenly looks a lot tougher. >> it does indeed, olivia. that honeymoon period has started. it hasn't lasted very long. is it? the one story that shocked me today was the fact that rachel reeves evidently carried out no impact assessment before withdrawing the winter fuel payments for 10 million pensioners, i believe, are going to be affected. it's pretty chilling that they did this without even thinking through what it meant to older people .

what it meant to older people. >> i think it's something which the labour party were were planning for a long time now and, you know, to defend the labour party here. there is some logic in it giving out that winter fuel payment to all pensioners could be seen as overly generous. and, you know, we've heard from people we've interviewed out on the streets about about older people who are sitting on a very comfortable, you know, final salary , pension, you know, final salary, pension, living in very big houses. absolutely. do not need those payments and sort of laugh about the fact that they're still being paid them. so, you know, there was perhaps some logic for scaling it down. but as you say, rachel reeves seems to have acted pretty rashly in doing it without having a proper impact assessment. and i predict that there might be some sort of semi u—turn in the days and weeks to come. i doubt she'll go back on the idea altogether, but we could see her changing the thresholds. perhaps so more pensioners are entitled to winter fuel payments or delaying the scrappage of winter fuel payments for these 10 million pensioners until at least this winter is over, in the hope that

energy prices end up going down next winter. but it could end up being the first sort of major u—turn for this new government. >> that's exactly. you actually plucked that question from my brain. thank you very much, olivia utley, for bringing us up to date on the mess that labour have created with the energy situation in this country, and is it going to be the first of flip flop starmer we see as prime minister is going to be damned if he does, damned if he doesn't really, charlie, isn't it? do they go back on this policy now or do they water it down or do they just ignore the uproar it's caused? >> yeah, i think they're going to have to at some point because of just the pushback and the backlash that there's been on the back of it, because it's been a torrid time. i think for the first couple of months. i mean, i would say that, wouldn't i? but, you know, you would. >> absolutely. yes. >> absolutely. yes. >> but and talking about the lack of impact assessment, i mean, i know sir keir starmer has just past 50 days, one day more than the former prime minister. but let's not forget forget minister. but let's not forget the reason why she sort of, you the reason why she sort of, you know, had to sort of bail out know, had to sort of bail out

was because of the way in which was because of the way in which she sort of handled the economy she sort of handled the economy by not having the obr impact by not having the obr impact assessments on some of her assessments on some of her economic policies. so you would economic policies. so you would have thought you'd learn from have thought you'd learn from the former prime minister predecessor, but one that you've the former prime minister predecessor, but one that you've just surpassed in terms of a just surpassed in terms of a record number of days. so i record number of days. so i think there will be some changes think there will be some changes coming down the line for sure. coming down the line for sure. >> do you think, peter, that >> do you think, peter, that they need to do something now? this has caused so much anger they need to do something now? this has caused so much anger certainly amongst, you know, certainly amongst, you know, groups for older people who are groups for older people who are saying people are pensioners are saying people are pensioners are really going to suffer in this really going to suffer in this one. >> the problem is the size of one. >> the problem is the size of the group affected and where you the group affected and where you draw the means test, you know, draw the means test, you know, 10 million people affected. and 10 million people affected. and everyone remember in a brief everyone remember in a brief history, the winter fuel history, the winter fuel allowance is universal, like a allowance is universal, like a gp appointment. it was gp appointment. it was introduced by gordon brown, but introduced by gordon brown, but there are comfortable middle there are comfortable middle class pensioners and then a few class pensioners and then a few outliers like alan sugar, you outliers like alan sugar, you know, successful businessmen know, successful businessmen saying why am i getting this saying why am i getting this universal payment from the state? i think it does come down universal payment from the state? i think it does come down to where you draw the threshold to where you draw the threshold for the means test. so i must for the means test. so i must say, olivia stole my thunder say, olivia stole my thunder slightly because the two, she's slightly because the two, she's good at doing that. good at doing that. >> she's a very good journalist. >> she's a very good journalist. >> she's a very good journalist. >> the two things i wrote on a piece of paper are here. defer it for a year on the basis the

prisoners. there was this exit of prisoners releasing. they're now going to bang up a load. charlie, you know why? because of the rises released. well,

we've had in the first two months a number of prisoners being released. the winter fuel payment being scrapped, taxes being admitted that they're going to have to go up, energy bills are going up. more strikes are announced on the back of union pay deals. so why are the labour government in the pockets of the trade unions? inflation up and scrapping rwanda a deterrent on day one, which is supposed to solve one of the biggest issues that this country faces, which is the illegal migration, that just shows that this government has got no strategy. it doesn't know what it's doing, it's flying by the seat of its pants. and that's why many, many people, when they see and they're not involved in politics like we are, they will see big pay going to their union bosses, their union paymasters, whilst at the same time taking away from hard working and hard pressed pensioners. that is not a good look. that is a labour government's record and they will pay the price, i think maybe in a few years time pretty damning verdict on 50 days of keir starmer there from charlie. >> what do you think , peter. >> what do you think, peter. >> what do you think, peter. >> yes, i think it was wrong. wrong in nearly every sentence . wrong in nearly every sentence. so for example, labour said. labour said we'll settle the strikes and they've begun to settle. the unions announced

more strikes the very next day. eleanor the aslef union i've voted against or said that they will go on strike. let's let me give you another example from a trade union disputes. doctors asked for 35% and the labour government said no. so they didn't get it. let's talk about prisons as charlie raised that. so we've had 14 years of conservative government. there aren't enough prison places. so whose fault is that? let's put our thinking caps on 14 years of a conservative government, a justice secretary, including michael gove, who charlie used to work for . why are there not to work for. why are there not enough prison places? secretary, i must add, but why are there not enough prison places? is that down to the milkman? is it down to tony blair, or is it down to tony blair, or is it down to tony blair, or is it down to the conservative government? well, the answer is, i mean, of course there have been failures. i'm not going to get away from that over the 14 years. but you don't just let out a load of prisoners on day one since you come into office, only then to start banging up people for, you know, shouting a few things on, on, on, on the streets, you know , i find it streets, you know, i find it quite difficult that the government was this government was able to fast track things that happened over the weekend,

and it took so long to bang up people like those just stop oil protesters that have, you know, caused a breakdown in our national infrastructure that have stopped ambulances going to see people that are in critical need. you know, it just goes back to my first point that this is not a government that has a strategy . it is the prime strategy. it is the prime minister is not a politician. he doesn't understand what the pubuc doesn't understand what the public are going to be facing, particularly when you're taking away money from pensioners, particularly when it gets colder. when we're seeing summer or a lack of summer in august, you know what we're going to see in the winter? this will be something that i really do think will affect the government in the long term. peter i mean, charlie's always very pleasant, but a lot of what he said is laughable. take the rwanda scheme, which i think is morally wrong anyway , regardless of the wrong anyway, regardless of the impact. but if there were any impact, had it gone ahead, the rwanda scheme i think would have said around 100 people, not 1000, not 10,000. well, it was a deterrent. it would sunday people 100 people if that is success, you know, then i'm a

banana. well, we saw we saw people crossing the channel not so long ago saying thank you, keir, for scrapping rwanda. that is the that is the reality that this does cut through, even though you couldn't send maybe the thousands of people back to rwanda. of course you couldn't. but it was a deterrent that would have conservatives sent to rwanda. well, it would have stopped. it would have it would have zero. well, it would have been well, you know, because i'm afraid because the labour government that came in scrapped it on day one. no, no, no, because they couldn't get it going. it would have those flights would have taken off. there would have been a deterrent, i'm sure of it. they would have been. even charlie's cracking up. zero people sent to rwanda under the conservatives. you know, if that's success, then well , we're you know, if that's success, then well, we're running out of time, unfortunately. >> but liz truss lasted 49 days and was dubbed forever the lettuce. what vegetable would you pick for keir starmer after 50 days? >> oh, peter, same question . so >> oh, peter, same question. so i always try and be pleasant to people. i think comparing anyone to a vegetable is not kind , to a vegetable is not kind, regardless of party. a beetroot, a beaten beetroot, something like that. >> that's a bit random, but thank you very much for now gentlemen, so there's loads more

coming up on today's show, including more vegetable discussion, possibly . but discussion, possibly. but jermaine jenas admits to sending inappropriate texts to women at the bbc had to be sacked from the bbc had to be sacked from the corporation. i am speaking to a former bbc executive after the headlines and you don't want to miss what he's got to say, but first it's the it's the news headunes but first it's the it's the news headlines with sam francis . headlines with sam francis. >> dawn, thank you very much indeed. good afternoon to you. just after half past one, we'll start with a recap of the latest breaking lines coming to us from germany this afternoon, where police say a person has been detained with a possible connection to last night's stabbing spree. that left three dead and eight injured. that's after a major manhunt has been continuing for the unidentified knife attacker in the western city of solingen . five of those city of solingen. five of those wounded are now in a life threatening condition. after that man, believed to be a lone attacker, is said to have begun attacking passers by at random. more than 40 tactical vehicles

are continuing to scour the streets of that city. earlier, police spokesperson alexander cresta said the forces are doing everything they can to catch him . everything they can to catch him. >> aber zu einer motivations . >> aber zu einer motivations. >> aber zu einer motivations. >> witnesses are in shock or can't speak at the moment. they're all being looked after. we have to put everything together like a jigsaw puzzle , together like a jigsaw puzzle, so that we can now expand our search activities and look for the perpetrator . the perpetrator. >> the sinking of the bayesian space superyacht off of the sicily coast is being treated as a potential crime. prosecutors have opened a manslaughter and shipwreck investigation into the deaths of seven people, including british tech tycoon mike lynch and his teenage daughter hannah. one prosecutor said earlier that all bodies were found in a single cabin, which wasn't theirs. on the left hand side of the vessel, but they've also suggested it will now take months to piece together the incident here.

police investigating a house fire in bradford which killed a mum and her three young children, now have three murder suspects two men, aged 36 and 45, are now in police custody on suspicion of murder, while a 39 year old man arrested at the scene remains critically ill in hospital. police are appealing for information, are asking for the public to come forward as they continue their investigation . sacked bbc investigation. sacked bbc presenter jermaine jenas has apologised for sending inappropriate messages to women at the corporation. the married ex—footballer says while nothing physical happened, he's let his family, friends and colleagues. down and former prime minister rishi sunak is backing proposals for a commons vote on the winter fuel payment. the government is facing a backlash over scrapping the financial support for around 10 million pensioners in england, and wales. it comes after a 10% hike in the energy price cap, meaning bills will rise by around £150 from october

and homeowners in scotland have said that they are living in a nightmare after learning their homes are going to be demolished because of crumbling concrete. the vast majority of those properties affected are thought to be in scotland, 500 of which are to be rebuilt in aberdeen at are to be rebuilt in aberdeen at a cost of £150 million. the council there says it does aim to buy any private homes affected at market value, and that council tenants will be rehomed. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. plenty more from dawn throughout the rest of this afternoon on that breaking news from germany. now though, it's back to dawn for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward

>> hello and welcome back to court me. take my glasses off. i think they make me look more intelligent, but i'm not sure that's true. welcome back. this is the weekend with me. dawn neesom now. thank you for joining me. now the big story of the week. and it's the front page of the sun newspaper today, former bbc presenter jermaine jenas says he is considering suing the bbc after it axed him over a sixteen scandal . jenas, over a sixteen scandal. jenas, who presented match of the day and the one show very family friendly , admitted to sending friendly, admitted to sending inappropriate messages to women but he insists he has done nothing illegal. joining me now is aqeel ahmed, former head of religion and ethics at the bbc and channel 4, thank you very much for joining and channel 4, thank you very much forjoining me today. now, much for joining me today. now, you obviously you've worked at the bbc, you know, the culture within the bbc. what do you make of this whole story and the speed with which the bbc have reacted to it ? reacted to it? >> well, obviously i'm speaking in a personal capacity, don. i

mean, it's an interesting one, isn't it? because actually what's happened is, you know, allegations have been made. we don't know enough detail yet. that's the key thing. we've all we've got from the bbc is the statement, quite rightly, which said that they've sacked jermaine and then jermaine jenas has initially talked about, you know, speaking to lawyers etc. but now we've had that video where he talks about, you know, consenting adults etcetera, that it's all his fault. and, you know, he's, he's got issues and he's going to be looking into them and he, and he's let his family down, etc. but we actually don't really know the detail of what was said in actually in those particular text messages that he that he's supposed to have said. so in actual sense, what we don't, what we know is that the bbc has had an investigation. they found him guilty and they've and they've acted on it. now it seems like a very simple thing. and i know what we'd like to do is draw comparisons to the huw edwards and all these other kind of things. but there's a slight difference. there's a lot there's lots of far more complicated story because we know more about that, but we don't know enough about this. but what they have done is

they've acted swiftly and one would can only presume that it sacking somebody who was on a fast track. let's be honest with you. you know, the one show match of the day. this is not some, you know, backroom boy that they could hush things up. they have sacked somebody high profile, knowing that there would be scrutiny. one can only assume knowing what it's like in that situation . you've got to that situation. you've got to have done your homework and they've got to have taken legal advice and it and of course, they went after hugh and saying that their lessons have been learned. you would imagine that lessons have been learned. and that's why they're acting decisively. >> so i mean, obviously they said lessons have been learned after jimmy savile. and then we had the huw edwards story. there are some that are criticising the bbc for basically covering up a lot of the things that have gone on in the past, and that is why they have literally reacted to this story within three days of it breaking . of it breaking. >> i don't know, i think that might be a little bit unfair, tell you the truth, because there's a huge there are huge distances between all of these stories. you know, we say these things in a shorthand like savile hewitt. they're talking decadesin savile hewitt. they're talking decades in between some of these particular kind of stories. so i

don't think it's fair to say a cover up. of course. i mean, i think you wouldn't be human to say that, to not think that any individuals may not have have had what happened with huw edwards, the most recent thing in the back of their minds. but we have to be clear about this as well, which is, you know, jermaine jenas is saying that nothing illegal has taken place. and actually what we're talking about here are some inappropriate you know, text conversations with what he says is consenting adults. so in that sense, you know, we have to kind of like distance, that kind of aspect of it to what, you know, to the huw edwards story and other kind of stories . and the other kind of stories. and the fact of the matter is, if you say that you're going to learn from something and if you're going to put changes in, in place, then that's what happens . place, then that's what happens. and so, you know, although i'm saying in one sense, you can't really compare jermaine jenas to huw edwards because of what we know. so far. the stories are very different. the fact of the matter is the bbc have acted swiftly on this. it probably was a lot easier to deal with. there was a lot more information, it

was a lot more information, it was a lot more information, it was a lot more simpler and effectively what jermaine now has to do is obviously if he is innocent, he can prove himself innocent, he can prove himself innocent . innocent, he can prove himself innocent. he's innocent, he can prove himself innocent . he's actually said innocent. he's actually said that he is that he that he, you know, he hasn't committed any crime. but what he has done is actually let his family down, let himself down, let a lot of people down, in his words, with regards to his behaviour and what he's got to do now is look at what that means for him. and he's talked about bigger issues relating to it. but as regards to the bbc, there's no way you do this without feeling that you have the evidence. and i've looked at some of the newspaper articles around this , thank you articles around this, thank you very much. suggestions that the text messages were played back to him, and it was quite difficult . difficult. >> thank you very much. ahmed, a former head of religion and ethics at the bbc, for joining us and talking about how the bbc have handled scandals, over the decades and that's right, it is over the decades. but they didn't seem to learn much in between the jimmy savile issue and the huw edwards issue. and some people have criticised them , some people have criticised them, peter, for reacting too fast to the jermaine jenas issue. >> well, i don't want to make

comparisons because i think, you know, jimmy savile was a prolific child rapist, so we're in very different. >> we're talking about obviously i'm not i'm not implying that the what has happened is in any way comparable, but the fact that there are people that work for the bbc and they have been unked for the bbc and they have been linked now to scandals. >> so jermaine jenas is accused of sending sexual messages to colleagues. so he shouldn't be doing that. you shouldn't send sexual messages to people in the workplace . full stop. the thing, workplace. full stop. the thing, apart from it being a very sad story and i feel very sorry for jermaine jenas, his family and the women affected. the thing that struck me is the bbc acted relatively quickly. i would defend the bbc for some things, not for any of the other things we've been discussing, but they're known for being slow, slow and bureaucratic, and they do seem to have acted a bit more quickly this time. >> do you think they've been fair, charlie , fair, charlie, >> well, i mean, until we know the full extent and we just don't know. but i think it was originally described as unsolicited digital communications, including text messages. so one can just infer from that maybe that it was more

than just, you know, a texting conversation. and if it was unsolicited, then, well, obviously that's something that we don't know the full details. >> and, you know, jermaine is saying there is nothing illegal that has gone on. it's consenting adults, etc. >> exactly, exactly. but your broader point about the bbc in general is i think why they've had to take action is because it has been riddled with scandal after scandal and we always talk about the bbc, obviously, as it is one organisation, but it is literally a business made up of so many different parts. so whether it is bbc sport, where obviously jermaine jenas has come under, as well as the entertainment side of things. so the bullying allegations within strictly come dancing, it's a bbc show. strictly come dancing issues within bbc radio, you know we've had in the past, you know, presenters that have had to leave because of inappropriate calls or conversations or behind the scenes, you know, whether it's, a the drivers contracting drivers, chauffeurs. that was the latest story. >> bbc news show was convicted, convicted paedophiles basically the story today. exactly.

>> so who is getting a grip in all of these different departments that make up the bbc to make it absolutely clear that actually this behaviour is clearly not acceptable. it's not wanted, it's inappropriate. and it's just now, i think for the first time, the bbc actually at the very top saying, you know what? we've been riddled with all of these scandals in all different departments in the past, no more. if you cross the line, this is the kind of, you know, punishment. you'll see. >> let's hope there aren't any more because, yes. interesting. and remember, it's your money that's paying for all these people right now. a huge thank you to my wonderful panel for this hour. that's former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards. thank you very much. and former conservative party special adviser charlie rowley. thank you both very much for joining me on a soggy bank houday joining me on a soggy bank holiday saturday, i'm dawn neesom and this is gb news. there's loads more coming up on a packed show. and it is, of course, i've just mentioned a bank holiday and we all know what that means. don't go anywhere. it's wet, it's cold and you won't be able to get a plane, a train, and you'll be sitting in your car for hours on end. i'm going to be joined by guru simon calder after short break. see you

soon. hey hey. welcome back. hope you're having a wonderful weekend out there because this is the weekend. thank you for joining me. not that there's anywhere to go because the weather is atrocious. it being the august bank holiday, why wouldn't it be now, basically, don't go out. you're going to die. the weather's rubbish, the transport rubbish , congestion on transport rubbish, congestion on the roads, the railways. da da da da . you know what's going to da da. you know what's going to happen next? i'm going to talk to simon calder, who is the expert on this. and believe me, you never want to be where simon is because there's always something horrible happening with transport. simon. oh, it looks quite calm. simon, thank you for joining looks quite calm. simon, thank you forjoining us. simon. it's an august bank holiday. why wouldn't we have chaos on the roads and the rails and everywhere else? what's going on out there? >> okay, so yeah. travel. mcguigan mageddon. once again, not quite as bad yet as last august. bank holiday i know that many of your lovely viewers will

be remembering with a shudder where they were august bank houday where they were august bank holiday monday 2023. that was when nats , the air traffic when nats, the air traffic control service computer, fell oven control service computer, fell over, followed 20s later by the standby computer and as a result we had 2000 flights cancelled . we had 2000 flights cancelled. 300,000 people had their travel plans messed up. so compared with that, we're not doing too badly. main issues , perhaps badly. main issues, perhaps predictably on the railways because as well as the expected problems that we were planning for on the west coast main line going from london to the west midlands, north west england and scotland, the east coast main line closed at the london end tomorrow. and that's the line which would normally run to yorkshire, north east england and scotland and then between london and south wales, swansea and cardiff to london. you'll be going the pretty way via gloucester. we knew all about

that. but here in exeter, for example, one of the two lines to london is completely closed at honiton tunnel, which is on the way to axminster, on the very lovely leafy line through dorset to london. and i've also heard from northern trains and this is for travelling tomorrow. they've issued do not travel warnings for six of their lines, including liverpool to blackpool, manchester to southport , manchester to southport, manchester to chester. and they say staff shortage. we're going to be making lots of cancellations . so making lots of cancellations. so that's just on the railways. i mean, if you do get where you're supposed to be going at roughly the right time, i would count that as a huge success. >> oh my lord, thank you very much, simon calder. have a lovely bank holiday weekend. at least it looks fairly dry where you are at the moment. thank you very much, simon. okay, right. we are running out of time very quickly. i'm dawn neesom gb news and there's lots more coming up on today's show, but don't go anywhere because it is actually in time for that all important

bank holiday weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. it remains changeable over the next 24 hours. further showers and longer spells of rain . longer spells of rain. temperatures on the cool side, particularly under the cloud and rain and looking at the bigger picture, low pressure generally in charge of our weather through the rest of the weekend. weather systems pushing through on quite a brisk westerly breeze as well. the rest of saturday we have blustery showers, particularly across the north and the west of the uk. some of these will be heavy, most frequent across northwestern parts of scotland overnight. some clear spells developing in places. driest weather always across central and eastern areas but quite breezy. temperatures on the fresh side dropping down to around 9 to 11 celsius, taking us into sunday morning. but there'll be plenty of sunny

spells across central and eastern areas, cloud already thickening across the west, and if we zoom in to scotland, we can see northern and western parts of scotland . fairly parts of scotland. fairly cloudy, showery outbreaks of rain. best of the sunshine towards aberdeenshire. first thing that cloud approaching parts of northern ireland into southwest scotland, with outbreaks of rain and the cloud extending through the morning into wales and the west country. some sunny spells initially, but clouding over fairly quickly. the best of the sunshine across the midlands, eastern and southeast england to start sunday through the morning and into the afternoon . this cloud into the afternoon. this cloud and rain will push its way eastwards across central and northern parts. some heavy bursts of rain possible with this and the winds pick up too, with strengthening gusts around the hills and around the coast as well . further south. breezy as well. further south. breezy but largely dry temperatures, rising to around 20 or 21 celsius, and the best of the sunshine cool under the cloud and rain 14 to 16 celsius, and that rain continues to push into the north sea as we head through the north sea as we head through the evening time and overnight elsewhere. further showers

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gb news. >> hello. good afternoon. it's 2:00 on saturday, the 24th of august. this is the weekend on gb news and i hope you are indeed having a wonderful weekend out there. bank holiday weekend. as you can tell by looking at the weather and the weather and seeing it's wet and cold and windy now, breaking news overnight from germany. german police say a person has been detained after three people were killed and eight others injured in a festival knife attack. we'll have the very latest on that breaking story. and today marks 50 days of sir

keir starmer in number 10. but it certainly hasn't been a smooth ride so far, has it? he and his chancellor now find themselves in hot water over plans to abolish winter fuel payments for millions of pensioners , and former bbc pensioners, and former bbc presenter jermaine jenas says he is ashamed and deeply sorry as he admits to sending inappropriate messages to female colleagues. what's next for the disgraced star, though? and it is, of course, a bank holiday weekend. you can tell by the weather. millions will hit the road and they've all been warned of likely disruption . what huge of likely disruption. what huge amounts of fun. it's not like that ever happens on british bank holidays, is it? i'm dawn neesom and this is the weekend . neesom and this is the weekend. now, i've been promising all the way through the show that i'm going to read your messages out. and i am going to. but so many

of you are getting in touch. i can't keep up, but do keep them coming. we are going to get to them. very simple to do it. you just go to gbnews.com/yoursay. they are remembered and join the conversation or talk about whatever you want to chat about. it's a bank holiday weekend now teen girl has arrived in the building. keep it up. i've had boys all afternoon so far. keeping me company this hour is political commentator joe phillips and communications officer, the institute of economic affairs. reem ibrahim. thank you very much, ladies. >> yay, girls, >> yay, girls, >> but before we get stuck into today's story, here is there's a boy in the room and it's sam francis with your news headlines . francis with your news headlines. >> dawn, thank you very much. and good afternoon to you. 2:02. we'll start with a recap of that breaking news from germany this houn breaking news from germany this hour. the police there say a person has been detained with a possible connection. they say, to last night's stabbing spree that left three dead and eight injured during that attack.

there is currently a press conference going on in the town there. we know that the mayor of solingen, police president and the prosecutor general of dusseldorf are all giving statements. we don't currently have a translation of that press conference, but we will of course keep across that for you, bnng course keep across that for you, bring you any important lines throughout the rest of this afternoon that arrest today, though, follows a major manhunt that's been ongoing for the unidentified knife attacker in the western city of solingen. five of those wounded are now in a life threatening condition after a man is said to have begun attacking passers—by at random. more than 40 tactical vehicles were reported to be scouring the streets of the city, and earlier police spokesperson alexandra cresta said that security forces are doing everything possible to catch the attacker. >> aber zu einer. catch the attacker. >> aber zu einer . motivations. >> aber zu einer. motivations. >> aber zu einer. motivations. >> witnesses are in shock or can't speak at the moment. they're all being looked after. we have to put everything

together like a jigsaw puzzle, so that we can now expand our search activities and look for the perpetrator in a manslaughter investigation has begun into the sinking of a superyacht in sicily, where british tech tycoon mike lynch and his teenage daughter hannah sadly lost their lives. >> prosecutors believe offences were committed. possibly, they say , involving the captain, the say, involving the captain, the crew, shipbuilder or others. the luxury yacht landed on its right side, we now know, but all bodies were found in a cabin on the left of the ship, detectives warn it may take months to unravel the incident here. jermaine jenas has apologised after sending inappropriate messages to two female colleagues at the bbc. the former footballer has been sacked as a pundit and presenter by the broadcaster, but maintains he's done nothing illegal and says he's now seeking help . seeking help. >> this is completely on me , i >> this is completely on me, i am 100% in the wrong and i

accept full responsibility for that and it's something that obviously i need to address and look at myself. the family situation is the things that is at the forefront of my mind that i'm trying to just piece back together , but i've also got to together, but i've also got to be able to kind of lock myself in the mirror and understand where i've gone wrong and understand that this is on me. it's not on anybody else. there's nobody else to blame here in the us. >> robert f kennedy jr has suspended his independent presidential bid, saying he will instead be backing donald trump. however, some of his family say that decision is a betrayal of their values, calling it a sad ending to a sad story. the nephew of former president jfk joined the republican nominee on stage last night in arizona, with trump claiming the democrats want to arrest and silence their political rivals . silence their political rivals. >> his candidacy has inspired millions and millions of americans, raised critical issues that have been too long ignored in this country, and

brought together people from across the political spectrum. in a positive campaign grounded in the american values of his father, robert kennedy, a great man, and his uncle , president man, and his uncle, president john f kennedy. man, and his uncle, president john f kennedy . and i know that john f kennedy. and i know that they are looking down right now, and they are very , very proud of and they are very, very proud of bobby. i'm proud of bobby. you want to know the truth ? want to know the truth? >> here . detectives >> here. detectives investigating a fatal house fire investigating a fatal house fire in bradford have made more arrests overnight. a mother and her three young children died after their home was reportedly set on fire on purpose. police say with the blaze starting on wednesday morning, two men, aged 36 and 45, are now in police custody on suspicion of murder , custody on suspicion of murder, while a 39 year old man arrested at the scene remains critically ill in hospital. police are now appealing for any information as they continue that investigation. well pressure is

growing on the government to overturn plans to scrap the winter fuel payment. pensioners who don't receive pension credits or other benefits could miss out on up to £300 of support. it comes after the energy regulator put up the price cap, meaning the average annual bill for energy will rise by £149 from october. former prime minister rishi sunak says he also wants to see a vote in the commons. and finally, two stages at leeds festival will remain closed for the rest of the weekend after being damaged by storm lilian. some fans are even calling for refunds after several live acts were cancelled. passengers across the nonh cancelled. passengers across the north west have also been encouraged today to check trains, while network rail's response teams remove fallen trees and tracks from tracks. robert hur. meanwhile, the met office has been issuing a yellow weather warning across london, kent and essex that ran out just about an hour ago . those are the about an hour ago. those are the latest gb news headlines for

now, i'm sam francis. tatiana sanchez will have your next update at 2:30 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you very much, sam. now i just want to give a shout out to carol who's messaged saying that, i don't know what you're talking about because it's lovely , sunny and warm here in lovely, sunny and warm here in wales and well, lucky you . can wales and well, lucky you. can you send some this way? and it's a bank holiday weekend. give it five minutes. carol, that summer. right. okay. now let's get straight into today's story, shall we, let's start with that breaking news that a person has been detained in connection with the knife attack in germany, which left three people dead and eight seriously injured. this follows an overnight manhunt, a motive for the attack is still not clear. joining me now is

travis frayne, campaigner for the resilience in unity project. travis, thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. can you just explain very briefly what the resilience in unity project is actually about ? project is actually about? >> absolutely. good afternoon dawn. so i set up the resilience and unity project, during the back end of the pandemic, we'd heard a lot at the time about increased risk of radicalisation. and of course, people were online. there was lots of conspiracy theorists, and there was a lot larger, i suppose base of, of people for extremists to target. but we weren't hearing a lot about what people were actually going to do to to, challenge that extremist rhetoric. and so i as someone who was personally been affected by terrorism, decided that the best people, the people who are best people, the people who are best placed to challenge that rhetoric were the people who are victims of terrorism themselves. and so the project essentially attempts to amplify the voices of people like myself, who've been affected by terrorism, and

get these into the room in those discussions around counter terrorism. >> what can you just tell us briefly what happened to you? what incident were you involved with? >> so i was i was injured in the westminster bridge terrorist attack in march 2017, and i was just 19 years old at the time. i'm not from london, as you can probably tell by the accent, and i was just down there for a few days with my university on a trip, and as i recovered from the physical injuries, i sustained, i felt a real, a real feeling that i had to had to do something about this topic, had to learn more and try and do what i could to help others who were in my position, which has set me on the path i'm on now. >> right. okay. travis. now, obviously the incident in germany, we don't know the motive yet. somebody has been arrested. we know three people have lost their lives, eight are injured. it happened at a music festival that 75,000 people were expected to attend. it should have been obviously a very happy weekend. now, obviously, i want to talk to you because you we're not saying we don't know the motive for this. i'm not saying

it's terrorism in any way, shape or form, but you have some experience of what it's like to be in a situation where you're attacked, when you're just going about your business, these poor people at this festival, i mean, can you just paint a little picture for us of what it's actually like to be in a situation? i mean, it must be you must feel helpless terror. it must be awful . it must be awful. >> absolutely. it's, you know, it's an experience i wouldn't wish on on anyone, you know , wish on on anyone, you know, regardless, i think of whether or not this is declared as an act of terrorism, the impact, certainly at this stage on those people affected will be much the same as it was in my own case, you can just imagine walking down the streets, you know, no one would ever assume to be involved in an act of terrorism. i knew very little about these issues, i knew very little about sort of. i suppose, crime in general. and to actually be on the receiving end of something like this at random is incredibly traumatising. and it also, i think , shatters a sense also, i think, shatters a sense of safety that we that we all grow up with. we grow up with

this, i think feeling perhaps rightly or wrongly, of invulnerability. and actually it shatters that immediately. and it really forces you to confront your own vulnerability . and your own vulnerability. and that's something that i think we don't take enough time to actually reflect upon, because it's something that has a deep impact upon those people affected and not just psychologically, but actually the physical impacts of this . the physical impacts of this. you know, they are going to have to spend many, many months attempting to recover from some very serious injuries, and that is something that i wouldn't wish on anyone, >> and, travis, obviously, we're in the middle of festival season in the middle of festival season in the middle of festival season in the uk now. i mean, we've got, you know, leeds and reading going on this weekend. we've got the notting hill carnival coming up on sunday and monday. how doesit up on sunday and monday. how does it feel? as i said, this is not because we are assuming this is anything. we don't know the motives for this attack, but we're just talking about what it's like to be involved in something like this. how does it make you feel when you read or when a news story breaks about this sort of incident?

>> well, it's difficult. it's, it's a constant reminder. and unfortunately that is, that is a hallmark of both terrorism and, and crimes like this in general, regardless of whether or not this in germany is declared as an act of terrorism, the incident is so similar to my own that many victims like myself and other people who've been in similar attacks, will be instantly catapulted back into that situation. they were in so many years ago. and, you know, this is something that i think i would like to say you know, experiencing something like this certainly puts you on guard. it gives you a heightened sense of security or insecurity, perhaps, but i don't think it should be a reason not to go out to, and you know, to enjoy and to visit these concerts and these festivals. there's one thing i learned, and it took me a long time to learn this. after the attack, many years. but actually it happened when i met with the people who'd lost loved ones in my attack. i learned very

quickly after meeting them that the one thing we can all do to actually ensure that we're remembering their memory, to ensure that we're, you know, not letting this change our way of life is to actually make the most of our lives and to actually really go out there and, and, and really, you know, take these things head on because we can't hide away and we cannot be in the shadows, afraid of something to happen. >> wise words indeed. travis, how do people get in touch with your organisation if they feel like they need to? >> well, we offer a range of free resources, and we'd direct anyone to just go to resilience and unity. com and to get in contact with us. we organise events with survivors across the country, and we're always keen to get these voices out there to and amplify those real life testimonies. so thank you for having me on. >> thank you very much for joining us. really appreciate your time. that's travis frayne there, campaigner resilience in unity project. and as you just heard, you know, at the very least google it if you need. if you feel like you need help, you

want to talk to somebody, get in touch with travis's organisation. thank you very much , travis. now i have my much, travis. now i have my wonderful panel with me this houn wonderful panel with me this hour, joe phillips and reem ibrahim, obviously we don't know what's happened in germany. we don't know the reasons behind this. all we know is that people went out on a friday night to go to a festival. as many people will be going this weekend, and it ended in tragedy , joe, apart it ended in tragedy, joe, apart from obviously you know, thoughts with all those affected, what do you make of this latest incident where people going out and trying to enjoy themselves? >> this has always happened, dawn. >> i mean, you and i are old enough, sadly, to remember the days of i love you, joe. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> but of ira bomb threats and ira reality, you know , in the ira reality, you know, in the days before there were mobile phones, before there was email, before there was social media. but, you know, we'd go , should but, you know, we'd go, should we go to work? >> should we? you know, we still don't have litter bins on stations . yes, because of the stations. yes, because of the threat of, you know, which is a bit ridiculous, but that's another story. i think it's

really , really important. really, really important. >> when we saw what happened after idiots going on social media after the southport stabbings , starting speculating stabbings, starting speculating and talking about stuff that was absolutely not true, there is nothing that we can say here thatis nothing that we can say here that is going to shine any light on what has happened in germany , on what has happened in germany, because we don't know. >> we don't know whether the person who has been arrested is the alleged perpetrator. we don't know anything else. >> we don't know whether it's terrorism, we don't know whether it's somebody with mental health issues. we don't know anything about it. so i think let's stop the speculation. let's be realistic . anything that you do, realistic. anything that you do, any of us do, whether it's going, you know, on a crowded bus or in an airport or to a concert or anything like that, these terrible things happen, for any number of reasons. >> people with grudges , people >> people with grudges, people with mental health issues, all sorts of things. >> and accidents. but, you know, we only have to look. we just heard sam in the news. you know, we're talking about the terrible ,

we're talking about the terrible, tragic capsize of a yacht . yeah. tragic capsize of a yacht. yeah. you know, a superyacht that belonged to a very wealthy man. you know, that is at the moment a tragic accident. and it just goes to show that these awful things can affect anybody at any time. you just have to be sensible. but the worst possible thing that we can do is to stoke up any sense that, oh , you've up any sense that, oh, you've got an odd name, you might be a terrorist or you've got a rucksack, you look a bit dodgy or you're irish, you might be a threat. i don't think anybody is seriously doing that. >> i first of all say, i mean, obviously for all of those victims, i think to them and their families, for those that have survived and are injured, i think it is incredibly difficult to go through something like that. and we've just heard from travis the impact it has on your life. i've got to say, i think that we are we're sort of muddling up different situations here. tragedies happen, but these sorts of situations are

not tragedies. they are intentional. they are intentional. they are intentional events that happen as a result of somebody perpetrating them. and i think people are right to be worried about these sorts of people that are in their country that might be causing these particular issues. you're just and i'm not. no, i'm not fuelling anything. i'm not feeling anything. we of course we don't know anything about this person. why did this person in your country know? so the german case. absolutely. we have no idea who that person is. we have no idea what their intention is. and i don't think we should be speculating. however, you brought up the southport killing killings and actually the fact that we talk about them in an incredibly emotional way because they are they are incredibly emotionally motivated. we saw what happened as a result of it. i think that, again, many of those protests or indeed throwing rocks and throwing bricks at mosques, that kind of thing is absolutely abhorrent and should not be happening in this country. but people are concerned about why we have people in this country that are coming here without a criminal background check, without knowing who those particular people are. now, these are entirely separate

issues, but i think by conflating them, we are taking away the fact that many people in this country are concerned , in this country are concerned, and rightfully so. >> well, you've just conflated it and done it. >> you brought up the southport killings and the protests. so i responded to that, to what happened. >> the riots were a direct result of misinformation , result of misinformation, disinformation and stirring up on social media with lies and with claims that this person was an illegal migrant or an asylum seeker, which turned out not to be the case. >> that's true. >> that's true. >> turned out not to be the case. and when you start talking and you even just put these things out there about, oh, people in your country, what the hell does that mean? >> no, it's not, it's not about that. but you just said, no, no, no.the that. but you just said, no, no, no. the fact of the matter is, in your initial statement, you conflated the fact that actually the southport killings and the protests they had that connection. what i said was, you shouldn't stir up, be stirring up misinformation. absolutely. saying going out on social media and saying that these particular people are from x, y and z country or they might be an illegal immigrant, is stirring up things and it's absolutely untrue. and it ended up not

being the case. however, we shouldn't be taking away the fact that there are many people in this country that are afraid of the types of people that might be coming here and are afraid of the fact that actually people are crossing the channel with no criminal background check. we have absolutely no idea who they are. now, i say this as somebody who comes from a north africa. my grandparents are moroccan and egyptian. i think that immigration is brilliant. i think it's wonderful. i think it builds this country. i think it's great for the economy. there are people in the streets of britain who haven't had criminal checks, who haven't had criminal checks, who are just as dangerous. absolutely. but the difference is that they were brought up here. there are different cultures that i'm sorry, are not compatible with british culture. and i think we have to have those honest conversations and actually it's not it's not racist or abhorrent to say those things . we can separate this. things. we can separate this. i know we started this conversation talking about the incident in germany. we can have conversations about that and i think that you are right. we shouldn't be speculating, but we cannot take away the fact that many people in this country are afraid, which you mentioned notting hill carnival this weekend. every single year somebody gets stabbed at notting hill carnival every single year.

we have to be. >> many people are afraid of lots of other things. they are afraid of white british thugs throwing bricks at them because they happen to be asians, or because they're going to a mosque. they're frightened and terrorised by men who are misogynist and vile. they're frightened of all sorts of things, and we don't need to turn everything back to immigration. we need to say, you know, really bad things happen. we don't always know the reasons for it. we don't know about germany. we don't even know about southport. we don't know what was behind that. but what we have to do as people is not regard everybody as a potential threat, because that just stokes fear. >> and it also it stokes hatred. >> and it also it stokes hatred. >> and it also it stokes hatred. >> and that's what you saw in southport as a young woman that walks in london, i will consider at night at least every single person a potential threat. well, reem can i tell you i was stabbed in the neck in london several years ago? >> and what? >> and what? >> travis was just saying, it changes your life completely . changes your life completely. >> of course it does.

>> of course it does. >> because i absolutely hate walking in the dark. >> i can't bear being in closed up streets or anything like that. and it really frightens you. and it changes you completely. >> but that's got nothing to do with immigration. >> can i just ask what the circumstances were? jo? >> i was walking home from the tube and the irony, dawn, that i had been living and working in the middle east, and i'd been home three days, and it was a completely unprovoked attack. and it wasn't a knife. it was a sharpened screwdriver in my neck. >> oh, god, i'm so sorry. you don't have to be sorry. >> i mean, it's just, you know, when people talk about knife crime, well, you don't need a knife to stab somebody. >> and that was just a random attack. >> just a random attack. >> just a random attack. >> so. and you don't feel safe going out and about now? not at night. no, no . night. no, no. >> and the worst thing is runners, joggers or people walking behind you. >> i think we all do need. we all feel we feel afraid. >> but i do think it's really important that we recognise that we're fearful and we have those conversations with people like travis has done. >> and like i have done that,

you know, you can be frightened, but you mustn't see everybody. you know, i don't see every young man as a potential threat. >> so i, i see your point. and i think that as somebody who has actually experienced this, you can speak more to this than i can. i can speak more to this than i can i do can speak more to this than i can. i do think, though, as a young woman, that often is walking alone at night, i have to perceive everybody as a potential threat. absolutely. and in addition to that, i will say that, and i don't want to make this particularly about immigration, but there are certain cultures in the world that are particularly misogynist and misogynistic and those particular cultures, i think in some cases tend to manifest into violence . violence. >> and unfortunately, ladies, we do have to move on, but we are coming back to a similar debate very soon in this show because i'm glad i've got you both on, because i think you both make very valid points on that particular one. i'm dawn neesom gb news and there's loads more coming up on the show today. we are indeed discussing human rights, women's human rights in afghanistan as the taliban bans females from looking at men speaking loudly in public and

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hello and welcome back to the weekend with me. dawn neesom hope you're having a wonderful bank holiday weekend out there. now afghanistan's taliban has issued a 114 page document imposing strict new rules on women, including bans on looking at men and speaking loudly, both in public and at home. women are forbidden from looking at unfamiliar men and must cover their faces to avoid temptation. they are also instructed to not speak in the presence of men who are not their husbands or relatives. now, the reason i want to talk about this story is because we have a very, very strong panel here on the subject , strong panel here on the subject, and, you know, part of the situation was triggered by america's withdrawal from afghanistan. and we have now

potentially kamala harris as the first female president of the united states . she was involved united states. she was involved in this withdrawal from afghanistan , and she has said afghanistan, and she has said nothing about what she left those women in afghanistan to. so that's why i wanted to talk about this story. so there is a news peg to it as well now. but this basically says i'm going to come to you first on this one, joe, you just had a very emotive story about what happened to you. but joe, this is like women basically on a completely cancelled in afghanistan. i mean , cancelled in afghanistan. i mean, they pretty much were in any case. but this is you can't even speak in public. >> well, one of the quotes i saw this morning in the report that's in the telegraph today , a that's in the telegraph today, a woman describes it as we are now in a cage . in a cage. >> i mean, you know, they pubush >> i mean, you know, they publish 114 page document. girls can't have any education after 12, so fat chance of them being able to read it. perhaps i mean, it is unbelievable. and you know , it is unbelievable. and you know, yes, the withdrawal from afghanistan by america and us and britain, you know, we have our share of responsibility for

that as well. and what have we left behind and what are we doing to help? because the real question is not so much a blame game of what went wrong, because we know what went wrong over decades, not just in the last decade, but actually how do you begin to rebuild relationships? because if you take away funding for women and girls and health and education, you know, you are isolating them even more if you work with the taliban, then arguably you are sanctioning what they're doing. and i mean, you might remember that tobias ellwood, who is a, you know, very well respected conservative mp who was on the foreign affairs select committee, went to afghanistan and came back and said, things are so much better. >> yeah, it was a bit confused, which was really weird. yeah. which part of afghanistan did he go to? >> i've got to say, i think i thought that video was was particularly interesting because the twitter reaction was, oh my

god, what are you talking about? like most people will will fully understand that. i think it's a really, really dark time for women's rights across the world and increasingly authoritarian regimes , not just in regimes, not just in afghanistan, but looking at iran, where women are being forced to wear a hijab, and many of those women are being murdered as a result of it by the state at the hands of an authoritarian state. and now we're seeing in afghanistan as you said, many of those young women won't even be able to read the document as education ends at 12. and it's really interesting because we seem to be you know, i sort of talk about the fight for freedom in the uk, and i believe very passionately about the fight for freedom in the uk. but my god, it is a whole different kettle of fish across the world where women are literally not being afforded their own property rights, where women are having their property seized from them because the culture allows that to happen, even though the law says that they are rightful owners of that property. we are seeing women being forced into literal submission, literally into cages, and it is absolutely

disgusting and only really occurs at the hands of an authoritarian state. you mentioned the american withdrawal of afghanistan, and you're right, the uk also withdrew . so we are absolutely withdrew. so we are absolutely just just as much to blame as the us. and i think that this is really interesting because international aid in general tends to be misspent. it tends to be spent on corrupt. i, i think that i mean , so the iea think that i mean, so the iea came out with a paper this week on, the fact that huge amounts of our international aid budget is actually going to places in the world that are actually wealthier than the uk, some of it not all of it, not all of it. and but some of it does also end up going to corrupt regimes. and this really comes into the point. do we work with these kind of organisations? do we work with these kind of hostile governments in order to help those people, or do we actually draw a red line and completely refuse to work with them at all? |, refuse to work with them at all? i, i don't know. well, i think that's the question. >> and i think, you know, just to go back to the whole point, the wider point about, you know,

rising global misogyny and attacks on women's rights, it's not just in afghanistan and iran. look what's happening in america. you know, they're very happy to ban abortion. there and it may well be that kamala harris, you know , she might harris, you know, she might actually do well just on that alone, that women have got the right to have control over their own bodies. >> she did mention it in her acceptance speech, congressional expansion. but the other story that links in with this week is there's a new draft legislation in iraq that would allow the marriage of nine year olds, oh, nine year old girls. yes the age of marriage for men and boys is 15. but for nine year old girls, they can now legally enter this. >> this is barbaric. it is absolutely barbaric. >> it's not even medieval. >> it's not even medieval. >> it's not even medieval. >> i mean , it's dante's, you >> i mean, it's dante's, you know, fourth circle legalising child rape, isn't it? absolutely. it's disgusting. it's disgusting. but, you know, it's disgusting. but, you know, i hate to go back to the whole immigration thing because it's

bonng immigration thing because it's boring and it's all we ever talk about. but we need to bear this in mind when we talk about immigration, because we have failed many people in afghanistan, particularly the people who worked with british troops, of course. and we promised we promised to give them safety because they are a huge risk and we have failed dismally. >> so the problem i have with that, joe, is the people i see coming across illegally in those boats. they're not women. >> yes, this is the point. most of them are young fighting age men and they could be contributing to the economy. i'm actually so on the immigration point, i'm very liberal on immigration. i think it's very good, but i think it should be legal and illegal immigration. again, as i said earlier in the earlier segment, my problem with it is that we don't know who they are. the point is, with these particular cultures, i blame not necessarily the culture itself, but actually the fact that these governments are using existing elements of culture and indeed religion in order to suppress women. this happensin order to suppress women. this happens in the uk. we've seen documentaries about the fact that honour killing has happened in the uk as a result of these

young girls, many from pakistani and bangladeshi heritage , then and bangladeshi heritage, then being murdered by their families. as a result of dishonouring them. this happens in our country. >> well, yes, as does female genital mutilation . genital mutilation. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> you know, there's a whole load of stuff that goes on, on our on our own doorsteps, in our own country. but i think this in afghanistan is really, really worrying because what is the future for that generation of women, you know, where are the female doctors? >> well, exactly. if you're not allowing women education and training, you know, how are you, how are you going to deal with women in childbirth? >> absolutely. i am really quite, quite shocked by the nine year old being allowed to get married in iraq. >> that is. well, i mean, i wouldn't be the legal age of marriage for girls in iran is already nine, so it's absolutely disgusting. >> it's frightening, but it's, you know, it's something that needs to be addressed. and it's ever so easy to concentrate on what's happening at home. and we need to talk about those things, but we also need to have a role, you know , as a player, not

you know, as a player, not a very big one anymore. but in influence, the problem i have with this is why aren't people marching on the streets about this? >> why are we just throwing these women away like this? >> because it doesn't get any publicity. >> and this is also and i will say, i mean, we're looking at the history of authoritarian governments and how they're actually overturned. a lot of it is international pressure. people at home, they will be those women in afghanistan. they will be absolutely shackled. they will not be. they will not be allowed to leave the house. a lot of them don't even know they're being oppressed. this is they're being oppressed. this is the thing we're looking at north korea a lot of the majority of that population have absolutely noidea that population have absolutely no idea what is on the outside of those walls. i think that the fight for freedom and the fight for prosperity is a hard one, andifs for prosperity is a hard one, and it's one that's happening across the entire world. >> we have, unfortunately, a brilliant debate. thank you very much. i'm so glad i got to discuss that with you, too. right now we have to move on. we're running out of time. i'm dawn neesom mish gb news. lots more coming up on today's show, including 50 days of keir starmer. happy honeymoon. over. what do you reckon? but first,

let's get the news headlines with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> dawn, thank you and good afternoon. the top stories in germany. a 15 year old has been detained in a possible connection to the stabbing spree last night that left three dead and several injured. german officials have said they can't rule out a terrorist motive , but rule out a terrorist motive, but that they still don't have a suspect. german police officials also say the attacker targeted victims throats. a major manhunt continues for the unidentified knife attacker in western germany. five of those wounded are in a life threatening condition. after a man is said to have begun attacking passers—by at random in a market square . a manslaughter square. a manslaughter investigation has begun into the sinking of a superyacht in sicily, where british tech tycoon mike lynch and his teenage daughter hannah, lost their lives. prosecutors believe offences were committed, possibly involving the captain, crew, shipbuilder or others. the

luxury yacht landed on its right hand side, but all of the bodies were found in a cabin on the left. detectives warn it may take months to unravel the incident . former footballer and incident. former footballer and tv presenter jermaine jenas has apologised after sending inappropriate messages to two female colleagues. jenas has been sacked as a pundit and presenter by the bbc, but maintains he's done nothing illegal. the 41 year old, who's been married for 13 years, told the sun newspaper he's let down his family, friends , colleagues his family, friends, colleagues and the women involved. he says he's now seeking help and pressure's growing on the government to overturn plans to scrap the winter fuel payment . scrap the winter fuel payment. pensioners who don't receive pension credits or other benefits will miss out on up to £300 of support. it comes after the regulator, ofgem, put up the price cap, meaning the average household bill annually would rise by about £149 from october.

former prime minister rishi sunak wants a vote in the commons , and those are the commons, and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward alerts

>> if somebody would , we >> if somebody would, we actually should start filming the breaks here and put it out because honestly , that is an because honestly, that is an interesting conversation. >> we're going to touch on it a bit now this. welcome to the weekend. it is the weekend and it's a bank holiday weekend. i'm dawn neesom. hope you're having a lovely time out there. thank you very much for joining us now. top gear to top gear. we are talking pubs because as i say, it's a bank holiday weekend. hundreds of people have been queuing to be some of the first punters inside jeremy

clarkson's new pub in oxfordshire. it's called the farmer's dog and it opened to the public at midday yesterday. and prime minister keir starmer has already been banned. well why not? so we are because it's a bank holiday. we've got a bit of light touch to this one. let's see. we've got a political commentator, joe phillips, and communications officer at the institute of economic affairs. reem ibrahim. but we're just going to talk booze, basically. pubs, ladies. now, jeremy clarkson, i mean, we've not got aniane clarkson, i mean, we've not got an invite yet. jeremy, if you're watching jeremy, i would love to come to your pub. >> yes. please do, please do invite us. >> the serious note of jeremy clarkson's pub, though, is promoting the pub industry in this country, joe, which as we know, pubs are closing. oh, absolutely. every single day. yeah. >> and it's, you know, it's a combination of many things. it's, you know, drink driving, obviously it's rural transport. it's houses in the country not being lived in by people who live and work there, it's, you know , pubs used to be the know, pubs used to be the absolute epicentre of a village , absolute epicentre of a village, and some of them have managed to

by sort of readapting and becoming more of a sort of gourmet pubs. well, or community centre and, you know, all of those sort of things and certainly during covid, where i live in kent, quite a few pubs, they carried on, you know, delivering food, but they also were keeping groceries and doing all sorts of other bits and pieces. but it's hard. it's really hard. you know, you've got to sell an awful lot of either food or drink to make profit. >> that's true. and i think the reason why pubs have struggled so much across the country. and again, i think that pubs are such a cool part of british culture. i absolutely love attending them, is taxes. >> one woman campaign, a woman campaign. >> get me, get me tom moore pub. >> get me, get me tom moore pub. >> what's your ideal pub though? >> what's your ideal pub though? >> oh, my ideal pub. my ideal pub is one that stays stays open later than 11:00 pm and one that has a has a good array of beers, a good array of ciders and also a good array of ciders and also a good array of ciders and also a good array of red wines. i don't like it when they only have one choice of red and white. that's not that's not good enough for me. what i will say is that the reason why pubs are failing in this country is

twofold. i think it's partly the fact that taxes are incredibly high. alcohol duty is extortionate, and effectively that means that pubs can't afford to get those customers. a lot of people prefer to just dnnk lot of people prefer to just drink at home or drink with the family, rather than going to the pub itself, because it's just so expensive. part of that is the cost of living crisis. people cannot afford to go to the pub, they have less dispensable income . a lot of it is also to income. a lot of it is also to do with, and i know we don't really discuss this anymore. the smoking ban when smoking was banned indoors in pubs, it killed them . it absolutely killed them. it absolutely killed them. it absolutely killed them. it absolutely killed them. there is a huge correlation between when the smoking ban happened and the number of people going to those pubs, and the number of pub closures. there is a huge correlation. now i'm not advocating to bring it back. what i am saying is that we have to have a conversation about how much pop culture has changed, and what that should look like in the future. >> well, pop culture has changed and actually, i as a former smoker, i'm awfully glad to go in a pub where i don't come out thinking of other people's tobacco, and most pubs have got smoking areas. many pubs will

actually say that their business is improved because of the smoke, because of the smoking ban. i mean, i think, you know, to me the quintessential pub is one that's got. and the reason that jeremy clarkson will be successful is partly because of him. but it's that mine host. >> it's the person who runs it, whoever they are, the people. >> yeah, you need someone who is welcoming, who is good, who might be a bit of a character, but you also need to make it somewhere that is, accessible to people so that if you walk in and you're on a walk or a cycle ride or a dog walk, you're not going to get that. were there be strangers, you know, you've actually got to be welcoming. >> yes. and you've got to be consistent. >> i mean, i was in a very lovely pub garden yesterday. the sun was shining lovely. >> what did you drink? >> what did you drink? >> well, i was driving, so i was only drinking lime and soda, but the person i was was with was drinking some fantastic brew. >> i love that. so i've recently downloaded an app called untappd andifs downloaded an app called untappd and it's basically facebook, but for your beers and my friends

and i do this all the time where we're all friends on this app and everyone's going to go find us now. we post a photo of our beer and rate it. so then all our friends can can see what we've been drinking, what we rate this particular beers. it's great when you go travelling and it actually encourages me to try different types of beer as well. so when i was in morocco , i was so when i was in morocco, i was trying a casablanca local and so you actually end up trying so many different types of beer. and i think that encourages it actually encourages us to go to the pub more as well. >> and i like pubs in the winter. >> yes. when it's cosy , fire the >> yes. when it's cosy, fire the fire cosy, you know, fusty. >> i like pubs where, you know, there's a smell of wet dog, an old corduroy dawn. >> what do you what's your favourite drink? >> unfortunately we've run out of time . we can come back if of time. we can come back if you're watching. i'm not that fussy, by the way. you probably could guess that. a huge thank you, ladies for joining could guess that. a huge thank you, ladies forjoining me . you, ladies forjoining me. thank you. that is joe phillips and reem ibrahim. thank you very much. it's been a great chat, we're running out of time. gosh, it's going so fast. i'm dawn

neesom. this has been gb news. don't go anywhere though, because up next, it's time for the big showbiz stories of the weekend. see you very

soon. the royal record. oh, hello. sorry you're back. hello. welcome back to the weekend with me. dawn neesom dup and it's gone so far. thank you so much for your company. really appreciate your time this afternoon. now it's time for drum roll please. showbiz news and well , she needs no introduction. >> it's steph takyi love the intro. dawn. >> look how stunning tastic. looking so good, right? >> so what is the what's the big story this week? >> well, well, we can talk about germaine of course. germaine. janice. and it's . it's five janice. and it's. it's five pagesin janice. and it's. it's five pages in the sun. yeah. he's finally broken his silence and said that, you know, he's deeply

ashamed and that he did text two women that he works on the show. very inappropriate messages. now he's kind of come to terms that his bbc career is over. apparently he was being paid £190,000 a year. that's gone down the drain. but now the big fight for him is his 13 year marriage. because when it did break to him, when bosses spoke to him, he thought that it might blow over. he thought he wouldn't lose his job. he did lose his job, obviously. now the papers have picked up, so he kept it away from his wife, ellie, who didn't know at the time. she's she's absolutely stunning , beautiful. they've got stunning, beautiful. they've got three children together and he's got a daughter in america. so now the battle is for him to get his family life back. i think, you know, when we see these big witch hunts, witch hunts. and on the newspapers and stuff, we forget that these people have children . and that's what he's children. and that's what he's saying. it's affecting his children. it's affecting them. but then you have to go back. then don't do stuff like that in the first place. and obviously now he's been made an example of

in the bbc. we're looking at an organisation who's been plagued with so many scandals following huw edwards recently, strictly. so i think with this one, some people are arguing they've been a bit too hard with him because he hasn't done anything illegal. but i guess the bbc want to make an example and they don't want to leave any room for error on their side. >> do you think it's been a bit harsh considering considering, you know, the huw edwards you know, what he did was awful. yeah, but i don't to be honest, i don't like the witch hunt side of things. >> stowlawn i think we can all make mistakes. no one's innocent. but i guess with the bbc at the moment is just that. they know that all eyes on them and they know they're paying, using taxpayers money. so what's happened now? you've had two people who work for the bbc, women who have made the complaints. so they have to make sure that they look like they are actually supporting women when they do come forward with these kind of, you know, allegations. and these stories. so, you know, it's quite hard to judge because , you know, as

judge because, you know, as women, you think, okay, if you've had that problem, you do want to be heard. you do want to be taken seriously. but to according germaine, it was very consensual messages between them quite flirty, very keen to point out nothing illegal, nothing illegal has taken place. so it's more morality, i say more a moral judgement when it comes to these kind of situations. gary lineker i know , and it's sad lineker i know, and it's sad when your career can just go like that overnight and then you're painted as a villain. going from someone so loved on tv to now going through this. so it's pretty hard . it's pretty hard. >> is there some cheerful news on planet showbiz? >> oh no. lily allen. peter. yes lily allen peter is not happy at the moment. the animal rights charity on her podcast this week , charity on her podcast this week, dawn, she admitted that during the pandemic, she adopted a dog. the dog was called mary had its own instagram account, lived with her for 2 or 3 weeks, poor dog chewed the passports there. her children's passports, lily's passports. she was angry and she said, you know what? she sent the dog back to the shelter. now

she wants to consider adopting another dog. and peter have said, you know what? dogs are not accessories. you know, we always hear dogs are not just for christmas. and during the pandemic , a lot of charities pandemic, a lot of charities said do not just get dogs for entertainment. said do not just get dogs for entertainment . you know, they entertainment. you know, they are loyal companions. so they've said, actually, no, you shouldn't have one because what you've done is quite cruel. she's worth over £3 million. you could have got a dog nanny , a could have got a dog nanny, a dog sitter or something. and just to say you've sent it back to a shelter, it could actually be quite traumatic for a dog. so, lily, stay away from the dogs. >> that's my opinion right there, i thought, well, thank you very . so didn't you say, oh, you very. so didn't you say, oh, the dog chewed the passports and my kids couldn't see their dad because their dad lives in the uk. >> so it was during the pandemic. simple as. >> so it was during the pandemic. simple as . and that's pandemic. simple as. and that's what peter was saying. >> steph, you are a wonder. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me on dawn. >> and thank you. this is been the weekend with me. dawn neesom on gb news i'm back with another hot spicy lunch for you tomorrow, but don't go too far. here's the for weather your

weekend and fingers crossed it's going to get better. see you soon! see you tomorrow! actually >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. it remains changeable over the next 24 hours. further showers and longer spells of rain. temperatures on the cool side, particularly under the cloud and rain and looking at the bigger picture, low pressure, generally in charge of our weather through the rest of the weekend. weather systems pushing through on quite a brisk westerly breeze as well. the rest of saturday we have blustery showers, particularly across the north, and the west of the uk. some of these will be heavy, most frequent across northwestern parts of scotland overnight, some clear spells developing in places. driest weather always across central and eastern areas, but quite breezy. temperatures on the fresh side dropping down to around 9 to 11 celsius taking us into sunday morning. but

there'll be plenty of sunny spells across central and eastern areas. cloud already thickening across the west, and if we zoom in to scotland, we can see northern and western parts of scotland. fairly cloudy , parts of scotland. fairly cloudy, showery outbreaks of rain. best of the sunshine towards aberdeenshire first thing. that cloud approaching parts of northern ireland into southwest scotland with outbreaks of rain and the cloud extending through the morning into wales and the west country. some sunny spells initially, but clouding over fairly quickly. the best of the sunshine across the midlands , sunshine across the midlands, eastern and southeast england to start sunday through the morning and into the afternoon. this cloud and rain will push its way eastwards across central and northern parts. some heavy bursts of rain possible with this and the winds pick up too, with strengthening gusts around the hills and around the coast as well. further south. breezy, but largely dry. temperatures rising to around 20 or 21 celsius and the best of the sunshine. cool under the cloud and rain 14 to 16 celsius. and that rain continues to push into the north sea as we head through the north sea as we head through the evening time and overnight

elsewhere. further showers pushing in from the atlantic and staying on the breezy side. but looking through next week, there's some improvement. with there's some improvement. with the weather, we'll see temperatures lifting perhaps as high as 26 to 28 celsius by midweek. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb

>> hello and a very warm welcome to gb news on your tv and on your digital radio. i'm darren grimes, standing for in nana akua and for the next few hours me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. >> this show, it's all about opinion. >> mine, theirs, and indeed yours will be debating, discussing and at times disagreeing. joining me for the next three hours are former labour party adviser matthew

laza and the political commentator suzanne evans . commentator suzanne evans. >> before we get started, we're going to get the news, though, with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> darren, thank you very much and good afternoon. the top stories in germany. a 15 year old has been detained in a possible connection to the stabbing spree last night. that left three people dead and several injured. german officials have said they can't rule out a terrorist motive, but that they still don't have a suspect. german police officials also say the attacker targeted victims throats. a major manhunt continues for the unidentified knife attacker in western germany. five of those wounded are in a life threatening condition . after a man said to condition. after a man said to have begun attacking passers—by at random in a market square . a at random in a market square. a manslaughter investigation has