joining me for the disagreeing. joining me for the next three hours are former labour party adviser matthew laza and the political commentator suzanne evans . commentator suzanne evans. >> before we get started, we're going to get the news, though, with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> darren, thank you very much and good afternoon. the top stories in germany. a 15 year old has been detained in a possible connection to the stabbing spree last night. that left three people dead and several injured. german officials have said they can't rule out a terrorist motive, but that they still don't have a suspect. german police officials also say the attacker targeted victims throats. a major manhunt continues for the unidentified knife attacker in western germany. five of those wounded are in a life threatening condition . after a man said to condition. after a man said to have begun attacking passers—by at random in a market square . a at random in a market square. a

manslaughter investigation has begun into the sinking of a superyacht in sicily, where british tech tycoon mike lynch and his teenage daughter hannah, lost their lives. prosecutors believe offences were committed , believe offences were committed, possibly involving the captain crew , shipbuilders or others. crew, shipbuilders or others. the luxury yacht landed on its right hand side, but all bodies were found in a cabin on the left. detectives warn it may take months to unravel the incident . former footballer and incident. former footballer and tv presenter jermaine jenas has apologised after sending inappropriate messages to two female colleagues. jenas has been sacked as a pundit and presenter by the bbc, but maintains he's done nothing illegal. the 41 year old, who's been married for 13 years, told the sun newspaper he's let down his family, friends, colleagues and the women involved. he says he's now seeking help. >> this is completely on me. i am 100% in the wrong and i accept full responsibility for that. and it's something that

obviously i need to address and look at myself. the family situation is the thing that at first is at the forefront of my mind, that i'm trying to just piece back together. but i've also got to be able to kind of look myself in the mirror and understand where i've gone wrong and understand that this is on me. it's not on anybody else. there's nobody else to blame here. >> robert f kennedy jr has suspended his independent presidential bid and will instead be backing donald trump. however some of his family say the decision is a betrayal of their values, calling it a sad ending to a sad story. the nephew of former president jfk joined the republican nominee on stage at an event in arizona. trump claims the democrats want to arrest and silence their political rivals. >> his candidacy has inspired millions and millions of americans, raised critical issues that have been too long ignored in this country, and brought together people from across the political spectrum.

in a positive campaign grounded in the american values of his father, robert kennedy, a great man, and his uncle , president man, and his uncle, president john f kennedy. man, and his uncle, president john f kennedy . and i know that john f kennedy. and i know that they are looking down right now, and they are very , very proud of and they are very, very proud of bobby. i'm proud of bobby. you want to know the truth .7 want to know the truth? >> detectives investigating a fatal house fire in bradford have made more arrests overnight. a mother and her three young children died after their home was reportedly set on fire on purpose on wednesday morning. two men, aged 36 and 45, are now in police custody on suspicion of murder, whilst a 39 year old man arrested at the scene remains critically ill in hospital. police are appealing for information as they continue their investigation . pressure is their investigation. pressure is growing on the government to overturn plans to scrap the winter fuel payment. pensioners

who don't receive pension credits or other benefits will miss out on up to £300 of support. it comes after the regulator, ofgem, put up the price cap, meaning the average annual energy bill will rise by £149 from october. former prime minister rishi sunak wants a vote in the commons and two stages at leeds festival will remain closed for the rest of the weekend after being damaged by storm lilian. some fans are calling for refunds after several live acts were cancelled. passengers across the nonh cancelled. passengers across the north west are also being encouraged to check trains , encouraged to check trains, whilst network rail's response teams remove fallen trees from tracks. meanwhile, the met office has issued a yellow weather warning across london, kent and essex and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code,

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for president as he endorses donald trump, a move his famously democratic family have labelled a betrayal of their values. >> could this spell the end for kamala harris? >> that's what we've got coming up in the next hour. >> don't forget to send me your views and post your comments. >> i've got it open right here and now. i can see you coming in already. post your comments on gbnews.com forward slash. >> your say and i'll catch you there . there. >> now to our top story. >> now to our top story. >> german police have detained a 15 year old wanted in connection with a mass stabbing in western germany yesterday night. >> three people died and eight others were injured in a brutal attack at a music festival. a motive for the attack is still not clear, but the authorities haven't ruled out a terror related motive. meanwhile,

germany's chancellor, olaf scholz, said the assailant would be punished to the fullest extent of the law. well, joining me now is counterterrorism expert doctor hans jakob schindler. doctor hans jakob, thank you very much indeed for joining me. i'm wondering to what extent is this kind of incident in europe becoming more common? >> thank you so much for having me. obviously knife crime, you had that discussion in the uk as well is on the rise. had that discussion in the uk as well is on the rise . and of well is on the rise. and of course it is one of the systematics that both isil as well as al—qaeda are asking their supporters in europe to conduct attacks with because it is very, very, very hard for the security forces to prevent such attacks. there's hardly any communication beforehand if there is any, and getting the weapon a knife is really not something that is very obvious

or puts anyone in danger of being discovered. >> yeah. now i mean, to what extent then would people across the continent going out to music festivals and all these other things? is there a real fear factor now? we had an incident, for example, at wembley immediately after the attacks that were unmasked or potential attack, rather at in vienna at the taylor swift concert. now a lot of people were scared actually saying they were fearful of going to wembley to see taylor swift perform here in london. to what extent is this just becoming part and parcel of everyday life? a fear of what may happen at events such as these ? these? >> the events last night and the events surrounding the taylor swift concerts in vienna are very different . so in taylor very different. so in taylor swift's case, we are talking about a organised, multi—pronged attack that was prepared with explosive devices. so this is

the classic terrorism, methodology that al—qaeda used all through the 1990s and early 2000. the fact that terror organisations are now reverting to these more complex attempts , to these more complex attempts, and there were multiple arrests in germany and france and belgium in the run up to the european union. the european football championship and the olympics. the fact that they are now are able to do that is really an expression or the reaction to terrorist organisations in their key areas afghanistan, the middle east, west africa, having far more breathing space because since 2019 we've subsequently reduced our military engagement in these areas . areas. >> so i mean, what steps would you be asking the chancellor to actually look at doing moving forward then. i mean what what can europe do . because much of can europe do. because much of certainly the inbox that's filling up right here, right now, people feel utterly

helpless and powerless when it comes to this very complex, extremely dangerous attacks of course, the security forces have a proven track record of discovering those. >> we really got better in the last 20 years, partially because we have better methodologies, partially because international cooperation is much stronger. you've seen in the case of these, taylor swift concerts, these, taylor swift concerts, the tip came from the us authorities . when it comes to authorities. when it comes to knife attacks, this is still the big problem. there is a discussion even prior to this attack in germany, whether we could ban or should ban knives with a particular blade length from being carried in public. it remains a challenge when we are talking about if this is a terror attack , a inspired terror terror attack, a inspired terror attack i.e. people radicalised onune attack i.e. people radicalised online and then take a knife and just perpetrate these kind of murders. here there is very little that the government or the security forces can do

unless social media companies x facebook , instagram, youtube facebook, instagram, youtube cooperate much more than they do right now. they continue to fail to take the issue of terrorism, mis and disinformation very seriously. and unless they do this , online radicalisation will this, online radicalisation will continue and we will have to live with a higher level of threat because we are living in a radicalised environment. since october 2023, the attack of hamas against israel. >> so would you then are you calling on these social media platforms and actually these communication networks such as for whatsapp, example, to actually end, end to end encryption? >> well, it's long overdue that this industry, which is the most profitable industry in human history, to put some of their resources in internal controls so far, the rules in the uk, in the european union is that these platforms need to be notified of

harmful , platforms need to be notified of harmful, illegal or platforms need to be notified of harmful , illegal or terrorist harmful, illegal or terrorist related content. they have no legal obligation nor legal liability to prevent this kind of content from spreading through their platforms. this needs to be reversed. these companies have the money, they have the full access to their platforms. which law enforcement or the public doesn't have. it is up to them to make sure that their products don't cause societal harm . whether it's societal harm. whether it's protests in the uk that going violent or whether it is a knife attack in germany. >> all right. thank you very much for your insight. we'll keep updated on all that story, all the updates on that story throughout the day. but doctor hans jakob schindler, thank you very much for your time now, folks.it very much for your time now, folks. it may seem like ancient history or a flash in time , but history or a flash in time, but no matter how you look at it. keir starmer today celebrates 50 days as prime minister and what a busy 50 days it's been for the prime minister with renewed pressure this week over his

government's decision to scrap the winter fuel payments . god, the winter fuel payments. god, many of you have been writing in about that. i can say that for free. joining me to discuss this story is gb news political correspondent olivia utley. olivia, i know you're not mystic meg, but were you to look in your crystal ball, do you think rachel reeves is going to have to u—turn on this? >> i think we might see a sort of half u—turn. i think over the next couple of weeks, we'll we'll hear. rachel reeves either coming out and saying that she's going to play with the thresholds a bit. so more pensioners will receive that winter fuel allowance. remember, it hasn't been scrapped altogether. it'sjust it hasn't been scrapped altogether. it's just going to go over to a means tested model. so only the poorest of pensioners will get it. we could see a redefinition of what the poorest of pensioners means, or we could see her delaying that policy move until perhaps the spnng policy move until perhaps the spring after this cold snap, because at the moment some people are saying it looks like sort of calculated cruelty. you take away that winter fuel payments just before the autumn

begins, and exactly when ofgem has said that it's going to raise its price cap, meaning that the average energy bill for the average household will rise by about 10%. now that puts the government in a really, really tncky government in a really, really tricky position, added to the. it looks as though rachel reeves didn't do an impact assessment of who would be affected and by how much, and that is actually possibly in contradiction with labour's own 2010 equality act. the act says that ministers must take due consideration to protected characteristics in the equality act, one of which is older age. so it could be that rachel reeves could get into legal trouble with this ironically breaking one of labour's own rules. >> do you think there could be a legal challenge on the horizon? >> well, we'll see how it goes. i don't think we're quite there yet, and it could be that, you know, rachel reeves has done some sort of impact assessment. this is a story in the telegraph, and it's not completely clear the extent of

how far rachel reeves went in terms of sort of checking how to mitigate these factors. and of course, we could see a sort of partial u—turn in the coming weeks, which might kind of calm all of this down. but for now, you know, there's quite a lot of sort of political oxygen, if you like. it's august. there isn't that much happening. and the spotlight is very, very much on rachel reeves and keir starmer and what they're going to do about this. >> there's surely olivia, believe me, it's not often i say this , but there's surely a good this, but there's surely a good middle ground here in the sense of you've got i know a certain millionaire friend of mine who refers to his winter fuel payment as his champagne fund . payment as his champagne fund. right. but there are millions of pensioners who do not use it as a champagne fund , who don't a champagne fund, who don't receive pension credit. and therefore wouldn't be eligible to receive these winter fuel payments going forward, because that's the mean tested element, isn't it? so how how can you have a partial u—turn and address those two things? >> well, i think that might be

what they end up doing because as you say, i mean, i've even spoken to some conservatives who sort of say, well, actually, you know, labour probably did have to do something about this. it is too generous i to know of someone who calls it their michelin starred meal allowance. they absolutely do not need this winter fuel payment. and don't really want the winter fuel payment. plenty of pensioners who i know give it to give it to charities like age uk . so the charities like age uk. so the idea of having it means tested might in the long term be a quite sensible one. but where the thresholds lie is what is so important and it could be that on reflection, and perhaps having done one of these sort of risk mitigation exercises, rachel reeves will change those thresholds and will mean that mean that more people can access that winter fuel allowance. the problem is that the way she's doneit problem is that the way she's done it is relatively straightforward. if you're on pension credit, then you get it. if you try and sort of cut it a different way and try and change the thresholds, then you could end up in a situation where you have so many civil servants working out who's entitled to it and who isn't so much budget going on the on the calculations

behind it that you end up spending more than you would have done if you'd just given it to everyone. >> so how then do we have ? we >> so how then do we have? we ended up in a scenario in which there are so many pensioners that don't know they are eligible for pension credit, who are struggling out there? who will you know, this winter, perhaps say, i'm not going to turn the gas boiler on as for as long this winter because i'm a bit scared of getting that old bill at the end. so how have we ended up in a scenario in which those that have struggled with inflationary pressures don't know what they're entitled to? well, i think one problem is, and we haven't yet heard that much from the government about this, but the fact that obviously everything has become so digitalised in the last sort of five, ten years, we often talk about it on gb news in terms of in terms of cash. >> you know, older people often actually rely on bank branches because they don't do online banking. it's a sort of anathema to them. and i think that, you know, we are talking about much older people here. i'm sort of generalising a little bit, but we know that it's older people who struggle the most with the

transition away from cash. and i think something similar could be going on here. you know, the easiest way to find out about your sort of pension, entitlements, etcetera, is online. and more and more we're seeing the civil service departments that deal with inquiries about this over the phone being sort of hollowed out. you know, there was that conversation about hmrc closing for six months of the year because everyone can can do their tax returns online. not everyone can do everything online. and i think that could be a big part of the problem. >> you know, i wouldn't say i'm technically no, i'm only 30. >> i'm not technically literate. exactly. >> you know, it's a it's an absolute nightmare. so i mean, are we going to end up ultimately in a scenario in which it could mean that if they go ahead with this, you with this plan proposal to get rid of the winter fuel allowance, that actually they do. olivia end up spending more money on the bureaucracy of it than actually the savings that would be made to supposedly fix this tory black hole that was left, that £22 billion. we've heard so much about from rachel reeves.

>> well, i mean , i think that is >> well, i mean, i think that is a really good question, because the way rachel reeves has done it at the moment, it would save quite a lot of money. but if she feels the pressure to do a sort of semi u—turn and, well, she might, which there is from her own party, and this is across the political spectrum. there is outrage about this. you've got the conservatives wanting to table an early day motion that's basically a parliamentary mechanism to force a conversation about it in the house of commons. then you've got people like john mcdonnell, jeremy corbyn's shadow chancellor, who's now been suspended from the labour party but was was a labour mp until very recently. he's calling on rachel reeves to, to change her mind too. so there is a lot of political pressure coming from all sides. you might think that given that keir starmer has just won this enormous majority, it doesn't really matter. he can just push through whatever unpopular, unpopular policy he likes. but that isn't quite true because although he did have this huge parliamentary majority, his vote share wasn't that high at all, and his personal popularity ratings aren't great either. which means that labour mps feel empowered

to sort of rebel against him. and so you could find yourselves in a situation where, you know, you've got labour mps pressing down on keir starmer and rachel reeves. rachel reeves ends up doing a sort of half u—turn, which could be the worst of both worlds, because, as we say, you know, we're not known for our kind of nimble state, quick way of doing things we're not particularly efficient. could be you're spending so much money on the bureaucracy, you lose cash overall and you know , there are overall and you know, there are a lot of our viewers, olivia, who are saying he made a promise not to do this and he has gone ahead and done it. >> so, you know, so much for them. restoring trust in politicians. so there is a lot of anger out there . so maybe of anger out there. so maybe we'll see a u—turn. who knows. but olivia, thank you for being my mystic meg of the day. i do appreciate it. that's our political correspondent olivia utley here with darren grimes on gb news, on your tv and on digital radio. coming up, starmer has faced widespread criticism on several key issues dunng criticism on several key issues during those first 50 days as prime minister. but have the british public already lost faith in him? will be debating

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hello and welcome. you're with me darren grimes on gb news on tv and on digital radio. now my friends , it's time radio. now my friends, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking has starmer lost the british public already after what has been a busy 50 days for the prime minister? with renewed pressure over his decision to scrap winter fuel payments ? of course, winter fuel payments? of course, the riots up and down the country and record migration figures so for the great british debate, i'm asking, has he lost the british public already? joining me now is political commentator suzanne evans and former labour party adviser matthew lazor. matthew, i've got

to start with you. come on. i thought you might. come on. how are you going to say that things are you going to say that things are going well 50 days on. i mean, it's a bit early for things to be looking this peaky, is it not? >> no. i don't think things are necessarily going, going wrong. i mean, obviously it's been a very challenging 50 days because we had the, the riots and the disorder which nobody could have predicted. and that , you know, predicted. and that, you know, clearly wasn't the responsibility of the government. >> i think the government did a very good job in in quelling those, nipping those, thankfully, in the bud at an early stage. >> i mean, the controversial things like the taking away of the winter fuel allowance are really tough decisions. but the government is right to get the tough decisions in early. it is right to acknowledge that the country is broke and that the tories have left the country in a terrible state. and, you know, on issues like prisons, they're taking the hit. there's an interesting article in the telegraph today, a big write through of rishi's campaign. and why he went early, had the election in july. and one of the reasons was they didn't want to be presiding. they knew this was going to happen in the prisons, even without the riots. so, you know, talk about an inheritance. but yeah, i mean, it's not it's

never going to be a honeymoon in such a situation. and i think the government is doing well, but clearly it's got to keep, you know, it's got to keep winning public confidence back. and the party conference in a few weeks will be a big moment for keir. >> i mean, where i do i do agree with that, that the tories have been utterly negligible in their inability to actually build prisons. i mean, you could have seen this coming shortly, suzanne. right. you don't you don't have to have a crystal ball. >> no. absolutely not. i'll certainly give matthew that one, that's for sure. the conservative legacy that labour have taken on is absolutely horrific. you know, the conservatives, as far as i can tell. what did they actually achieve in the 14 years they were in power? very, very little, they got brexit done, but only then in a very, you know, not a very, not in a very good way. brexit half done. really not fully done that's for sure . but i really not fully done that's for sure. but i think we really not fully done that's for sure . but i think we look at the sure. but i think we look at the way in which keir starmer has supped way in which keir starmer has slipped so massively down. the opinion polls from sort of a plus 28 rating down to a minus six rating in terms of his popularity. now it is astronomical. the disastrous last 6 or 7 weeks that he has

had and you talked about the riots, matthew, my view is he actually made things worse. i remember after the black lives matter riots, which we were all horrified at, he went on down on one knee and said, oh, i have sympathy. i know how you feel. totally different approach to the riots here. he labelled anybody basically who didn't vote labour or as opposed to mass uncontrolled immigration as far right. i think he actually fuelled the flames there instead of you know, actually stopping them and doing what he should have done, which was say, look, i understand your concerns. let's talk about this for goodness sake, stop rioting, because nobody, nobody wants riots , so yeah, he took on a bad riots, so yeah, he took on a bad conservative legacy . but the way conservative legacy. but the way now they're trying to blame the conservative government for everything isn't washing with the public either, because it's pretty obvious that they, for instance, rachel reeves talking about how i inherited this terrible 22 billion black hole, but that's okay. i'm going to give everybody a massive pay rise in the public sector and increase that black hole by 5.5 billion. just doesn't wash. you know, i got on the train to come

down here to be with you for the next five hours. >> i hope viewers are in for a treat. and i was i had to get an earlier train, matthew, because the train drivers had said it's a bank holiday weekend. sod this, i'm off. i don't know if i can say that at this hour. i do apologise if anyone's offended by that . and i thought this is by that. and i thought this is a this is obscene. this is absurd. massive payouts, bungs. i mean, there's one on eleanor which run there's one on eleanor which run the east coast route , the east coast route, >> there is still a continuing dispute, which is actually about a separate issue, but they should, you know, i would say to they should get paid on performance, though, matthew, not because the labour party needs to keep their trade union fat caps. well, remember that i mean, aslef, the train drivers union, is affiliated to the labour party. but of course the junior doctors certainly aren't and the teachers certainly aren't. so and which is a large part of which party do you think they voted for? well, i mean, doctors historically have all voted tory. i think that has changed over the last decade or so. but i mean, certainly the bma was no friend of the labour

party historically. it opposed the setting up of the nhs, so what i would say is, you know, i don't agree with suzanne on the riots. i think keir was right in the very early stages to say there was clear, far right agitation. he wasn't labelling anybody who's worried about immigration far right. i think you're right, though he does need to address concerns about immigration, in his speech going forward and as they unveil policies on migration, i mean, you know, one of the things the government has talked about doesn't get as many headlines, but it has done work on already. liz kendall is at the forefront, is getting british people into job vacancies and trying to tackle the drop in the percentage of the workforce who are in work. but that takes time. well angela rayner is backtracking on her vow to let british people sort of jump the housing queue, if you like, and make sure they get housing first. >> and i'm sorry, there is. this is a little bit off track, but there's one thing i can't let go without being said here. eleanor, you mentioned that is a nationalised rail company. >> so by the tories, by the tories, it doesn't matter. >> the fact is keir starmer, the labour party wants to nationalise the whole thing. but this is the one that's not working now. i think that's something. >> it's because they got rid of virgin on that route, right,

which was making £1 billion in profit and replaced it with lnen profit and replaced it with lner, the state owned company. and guess what? it's making a loss. >> yeah. and i mean the issue, the issue as well is, is one of the issue as well is, is one of the reasons is under the lner tried to do the minimum service standard. the only company that did it were the tories introduced this law, where pubuc introduced this law, where public services management could impose a minimum standard on the unions. it tried it and the unions. it tried it and the unions are still making them pay a price for it. >> so hang on then, going back to that initial question that we asked, then june has written in and june says, what's more worrying is that labour has done this without caring about this protected group, i.e. pensioners and the consequences for this group. it begs the question what else are they capable of? and there are a lot of people like lynne saying you all missed the point regarding pension credit, which is even if you're a fiver over the standard pension, you're not eligible for that winter fuel payment. and therefore you will be struggling and you're not a wealthy person. >> yeah, i mean, absolutely, you've got to acknowledge that you've got to acknowledge that you say, then matthew, with these kinds of emails coming in, can you say the last 50 days

have been a success? because it's because we have to try and balance the books. this is a tough decision that's been making. i know it's very hard for pensioners who are just above the pension credit credit limit, who are not going to get the winter fuel allowance now, but obviously there are richer pensioners who won't be getting it as well. and there are. and what's happened is pensioner poverty has halved in the last 25 years, and it stayed absolutely static in the rest of the population. and that reflects in fuel poverty, the number of people who can't pay their bills is now higher and their bills is now higher and the people of working age. so what do you do? do you take things away from working age people if you have to take something away? i think this was probably the least worst option. not a good option, but the least worst option. and things like pensioners free, a bus passes have been protected. i can think of a few ways to shave, save a few billion. >> can't you think of 1,000,001 ways to save money without without removing the winter fuel allowance? >> now, whether you agree with it or not, and you make a very good case about the fact that, of course, it goes to very wealthy pensioners. the fact is, they promised before the election that they would not do it. they criticised the tories for allegedly thinking about doing it . so

for allegedly thinking about doing it. so it's a rank hypocrisy here and that i'm afraid, is what we are seeing to pay afraid, is what we are seeing to pay for the black hole that they didn't know about, the black hole that they did know about because they knew about somehow. rachel reeves was chancellor for long enough. if she didn't know what the books was going on in the books, and not given the fact that look at how how so in the labour party is with the civil service, you know, putting some of their a lot of people aren't buying the service positions. i don't buy it. that girl worked at the bank of england. she was shadow chancellor for a very long time. she had the ear of the for office budget responsibility. she wants to give the office for budget responsibility more powers. and now she's saying, but you didn't tell me . rubbish. but you didn't tell me. rubbish. >> okay, we'll leave it there. matthew laza and suzanne evans, thank you very much for that. we'll be back with the panel shortly. for now, though, you're with darren grimes on gb news on tv and digital radio. coming up, robert kennedy jr dropping out of the for race president and endorsing donald j. trump. what does that mean for kamala harris? first of all though, we're going to get your news headunes we're going to get your news headlines with tatiana .

headlines with tatiana. >> darren. thank you very much. the top stories this hour in germany, a 15 year old has been detained in a possible connection to the stabbing spree last night that left three dead and several injured. german officials say they can't rule out a terrorist motive, but they still don't have a suspect. german police officials also say the attacker targeted victims throats. a major manhunt continues for the unidentified knife attacker in western germany. five of those wounded are in a life threatening condition after a man said to have begun attacking passers—by at random in a market square . a at random in a market square. a manslaughter investigation has begun into the sinking of a superyacht in sicily, where british tech tycoon mike lynch and his teenage daughter hannah lost their lives. prosecutors believe offences were committed, possibly involving the captain, crew, shipbuilder or others. the luxury yacht landed on its right

hand side, but all of the bodies were found in a cabin on the left. detectives warn it may take months to unravel the incident . former footballer and incident. former footballer and tv presenter jermaine jenas has apologised after sending inappropriate messages to two female colleagues . jenas has female colleagues. jenas has been sacked as the pundit and presenter by the bbc, but maintains he's done nothing illegal. the 41 year old, who's been married for 13 years, told the sun newspaper he's let down his family, friends, colleagues and the women involved . he says and the women involved. he says he's now seeking help and pressure is growing on the government to overturn plans to scrap the winter fuel payment . scrap the winter fuel payment. pensioners who don't receive pension credits or other benefits will miss out on up to £300 of support. it comes after the regulator, ofgem, put up the price cap, meaning the average annual energy bill will rise by £149 from october. former prime minister rishi sunak wants a vote in the commons and those are the latest gb news

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>> welcome back. you're with me, darren grimes in for the incomparable nana akua on gb news and on digital radio. right in the great british debate december. the question is, does rfk his decision to back donald j. trump spell complete disaster for kamala harris? can he actually independent as he is unite a coalition in support of donald trump ? the white house donald trump? the white house

candidate robert f kennedy jr , candidate robert f kennedy jr, dropped out of the race yesterday and endorsed the former president trump. but some of his family have actually said that the decision is a betrayal of their values, calling it a sad ending to a sad story. very macabre. this comes, of course, as kamala harris made headlines with her historic and widely viewed speech at the democratic national convention in chicago, drawing an audience that outpaced trump's recent address . outpaced trump's recent address. so for the great british debate, i'm asking , so for the great british debate, i'm asking, does so for the great british debate, i'm asking , does rfk's decision i'm asking, does rfk's decision to back trump spell ultimate disaster for kamala harris's run? well, joining me now is the still the very brilliant political commentator suzanne evans. and the former labour party adviser equally as brilliant. matthew laza suzanne, what do you make of this? i mean, were you sort of saying, oh , absolutely. go on, son, oh, absolutely. go on, son, you've done it. you've romping

home. now this will be it. it's in the bag. >> no, i don't think it's definitely not in the bag for trump. i mean, you look at the polls, kamala harris is leading him. i think it's about 46, 47% to his 4344. i think i believe that with absolute certainty that with absolute certainty that had trump been against joe biden, he would have absolutely trounced him. there's no doubt that trump would have been returned to the white house. but with biden stepping down, kamala seems to have grasped the agenda.she seems to have grasped the agenda. she seems to have got the country behind her. i think she's raised a record £500 million in july that nobody's ever raised that much for a campaign before. now, admittedly, i think some donors were holding back because they didn't want to support biden, so that's probably part of it. but there's no doubt she's doing very well. trump, meanwhile, i think, has lost the initiative. so because he thought he was up against biden , he chose against biden, he chose a running mate who would have done well against biden. i think he would have chosen differently had he known he was up against kamala harris. the other problem is trump never learns for his

mistakes. and this is the one thing i always say about him. so you have a man here who has been accused of sexism and racism. so what's the first thing he does? he makes sexist comments about her. it's not acceptable and it's wrong. he is. >> what did he say then? >> what did he say then? >> well, he's just generally calling her stupid, just generally making comments about the way she looks. you know, it's not acceptable. >> hang on. the stupid comment . >> hang on. the stupid comment. you know, you could argue joe biden's a bit of a short plank himself, right? i mean, well, maybe, but this is a man who has got a particular reputation now. >> it's all very well. him preaching to the converted convert, preaching to the people who are already going to vote for him. if he's going to win this election, he's got to try and win hearts and minds. and this, in my view, is what trump is bad at. >> and he does have a lower share of the vote when it comes to women. >> he absolutely he can't put a sock in it enough to be able to bnng sock in it enough to be able to bring on board the people who would otherwise oppose him. and that's what you have to do to win elections. >> but i know there'll be people screaming at the telly. there will be, because they're saying he's not sexist, he's not a good luck, good luck with that

argument. >> he might not be, but so for goodness sake, show us that other side of yourself, trump, because i personally would prefer he he was in the white house as opposed to kamala harris, no doubt about it. let me be clear about that. i would like him to win, but he's not actually at the moment playing a winning game. >> matthew, what's the world going to look like under kamala harris? because, i mean, it ain't gone to great under over the last four years of joe biden. >> you've got you've got a record number of jobs in america. you've got the stock market closing at a record high. again, this week. you've got the head of the federal reserve bank saying he thinks it's going to be an interest rate cut, at their next meeting in a few weeks time. look, i mean, i think i agree, apart from the conclusion, because i want to see kamala win. i agree absolutely with suzanne's analysis. and i think you're absolutely right about that. and about the problem with female voters, because female voters not only do the democrats have an advantage which has grown, as kamala has been the candidate, but also female voters vote in bigger numbers. the percentage of women who turn out to vote is higher. so you don't want to get

on the wrong side of what they call the soccer moms. the suburban , the suburban moms suburban, the suburban moms raising families, sort of who are the sort of key swing group in, in american politics. and i think i mean, the truth of the matter is, we wouldn't have predicted this, that kamala would get the nomination, the party would unite, and that she has in a way, learned the lessons, i think, from hillary clinton. and she hasn't put a foot wrong. so she's not making it all about she hasn't said anything. that's how she. well she needs yes, she needs to do some tv interviews. she needs to do a press conference. absolutely. but you know what? hillary clinton's campaign was all about breaking the glass ceiling. it was all about her being a woman. whereas kamala has kind of avoided the identity politics thing, and she's avoided criticising voters. and i think tim walsh is a great choice as as vice president, because his folksy style is a good contrast. >> you know, when she, obviously, kamala harris is the first female and black nominee for any party. now a lot of people are saying, well, hang on a minute, because some have argued that that means it's a slam dunk for the black vote and for ethnic minority vote, but

actually the hispanic vote and the black for vote the republican party has been on the up of late. so you can't the left can't a bit like in this country. >> she isn't taking for granted. yeah.i >> she isn't taking for granted. yeah. i don't think she's taking it for granted. i think that's why it's good that she has been talking more about her record as a prosecutor in la, while she banged up a lot of black people. absolutely. which, which does have, you know, political consequences as well. she's seen as being quite hard on law and order by some people. but i think what she's doing is, is running on her record and not making it all about. i mean, the, the, the, the hillary convention, there were lots of those rosie the riveter t—shirts and you know, and you can understand people's excitement about a female candidate for president, but making it about your record and what you're going to do is what we need to do. and we're right. we need to hear more about what she depends on the female. >> i would argue they're not mrs. t, suzanne, are they? >> they're not mrs. t, no. oh, mrs. t, i have to say, i think i'm one of those people, thank goodness, who probably didn't appreciate her as much when she was alive as i do now. i think with hindsight, you know, she was undoubtedly one of our one of our best prime ministers even of our best prime ministers ever. no doubt about that. so

yeah, it's interesting , we'll yeah, it's interesting, we'll see what happens. >> but they can't take it for granted. you know , playing granted. you know, playing playing that sort of on the sort of immutable characteristics and identities . they can't do that. identities. they can't do that. >> absolutely not. you know, i was actually personally very pleased when obama was made president because i thought it was great to have a black president of the united states given their appalling racist history. i thought that was great, this is slightly different. i think, you know, she's a woman. she's black, she wouldn't be my first choice. as i've said before, but she certainly can't take that black vote for granted. i've never thought you can take the black vote for granted. ever since it was back in the 1990s, i was getting a taxi home. one saturday night, a black taxi driver told me he was voting for the bnp. i was gobsmacked, i said, are you mad, you know, you can never take these things for granted. how people vote and why they vote is something that none of us. >> indeed, i think the left is waking up to that. >> yeah, you shouldn't take anybody for granted. absolutely. >> all right. thank you very much. to the two of my panellists. there that's matthew laza and suzanne evans will be back shortly. now, the royal

biographer , angela levin will be biographer, angela levin will be joining me in the studio to talk all things royal, including will netflix drop harry and meghan from their streaming service?

welcome back. thank you very much for your company. i'm just reading one of your messages there, and susan has not held back. susan says darren, if rachel thebes reeves wanted to save money, then maybe she should stop miliband sending that £11 billion to africa for this nonsense. climate change. i hope she's put money aside for all the pensioners who may die of hypothermia this winter. not holding back at all. keep your views coming in. i love them , views coming in. i love them, i'm reading them all now though. we're going to discuss something going on in the royal household.

there's always something going on in the royal household. this week has been absolutely no different. each saturday this show nana goes through a rundown to give you the latest from inside the royal household and who better to do that than the royal biographer, angela levin, who joins me now . angela, thank who joins me now. angela, thank you very much for your company. as ever. looking glamorous. harry and meghan's visit to columbia . how? because i spoke columbia. how? because i spoke to you about this. i remember before they went and we were worried about how this could turn into a diplomatic nightmare. yes, for the british foreign office, did it? >> well, i don't know if it has yet, but i'm sure it will. >> and the key to what was being very, very difficult to understand or to accept was that harry was asked if he would apologise about the slaves . apologise about the slaves. right now, he hasn't any standing to do that. no if by

any chance he does or he did, we can't tell because they didn't have any sound. you couldn't hear actually very much . they hear actually very much. they stopped it. i imagine meghan wanted to keep control and harry didn't want any journalists to know exactly what he was saying. >> they deliberately turned down the volume , not just turned down. >> there was no volume. >> there was no volume. >> there was no volume. >> there was no sound. so you couldn't actually find out what they were doing. but this was this was this was asked, it was heard and you don't know what he said. now, if he wants to take on that and say something about it , i mean, on that and say something about it, i mean, it's going to be very, very difficult for the king. first of all, it's him. the columbia was a spanish . the columbia was a spanish. >> yeah. so nothing to do with the british with the british. >> and also that in 1864, queen victoria's husband, prince albert apologised on behalf of

everybody for what had happened. so we have actually done that . so we have actually done that. indeed. and i think it's very dangerous if he starts bringing that up back in the day, a lot of money taxpayer cash on the royal navy, defeating the transatlantic slave trade, for example, right . example, right. >> so, you know, getting involved in this would be a total nightmare for the royal family. but angela could netflix ultimately drop harry and meghan? have they been a success story for them ? they had that story for them? they had that documentary series, of course . documentary series, of course. yes. did that would that have been a revenue raiser? because a lot of people watched it. >> that was the one that was six episodes. yes full of grumbles and growls and beyonce and yes, that did phenomenally well, but nothing else has , meghan found nothing else has, meghan found a book called pearl about a girl who wanted to become strong. it was going to be a sort of girl, a girl who was just like meghan, and they dropped that. they're not really keen on her cooking or harry doing polo or her jam

or harry doing polo or herjam on her jam. they might missed on herjam. they might missed out the jam. so it's not original enough? no. and in any case, in asking for if it can go ahead, technically they they have messed up completely because they haven't done it properly. and so it won't be until next february. the earliest that they can do anything. and netflix is fed up and they've got lots of other things on their line that they can do. and i think they're not going to renew the $100,000 to keep them going. >> so hang on that that's that's the spotify deal. that's the netflix deal. these are the trinkets that would keep their independent lives viable financially. what's going to happen?! financially. what's going to happen? i mean, what will they be doing there? >> well, i think harry is meghan going to be selling her jam on going to be selling herjam on cvs or something ? i will try and cvs or something? i will try and get some money out of the king. do you think maybe that's the reason i'm not sure. but maybe

that's the reason they now want to come in and see him, but also, if they keep going on these trips , they get paid there. >> angela, thank you very much for that . we're going to take for that. we're going to take a break now. thank you for that insight. we're going to go to the weather now and see what it's like out there. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. it remains changeable over the next 24 hours. further showers and longer spells of rain. temperatures on the cool side , temperatures on the cool side, particularly under the cloud and rain and looking at the bigger picture, low pressure, generally in charge of our weather through the rest of the weekend. weather systems pushing through on quite a brisk westerly breeze as well. the rest of saturday we have blustery showers, particularly across the north and the west of the uk. some of these will be heavy, most frequent across northwestern parts of scotland overnight. some clear spells

developing in places. driest weather always across central and eastern areas but quite breezy . temperatures on the breezy. temperatures on the fresh side dropping down to around 9 to 11 celsius, taking us into sunday morning. but there'll be plenty of sunny spells across central and eastern areas, cloud already thickening across the west, and if we zoom into scotland, we can see northern and western parts of scotland . fairly cloudy, of scotland. fairly cloudy, showery outbreaks of rain. best of the sunshine towards aberdeenshire. first thing that cloud approaching parts of northern ireland into southwest scotland with outbreaks of rain and the cloud extending through the morning into wales and the west country. some sunny spells initially, but clouding over fairly quickly. the best of the sunshine across the midlands , sunshine across the midlands, eastern and southeast england to start sunday through the morning and into the afternoon. this cloud and rain will push its way eastwards across central and . some h eastwards across central and. some h bursts of rain possible with this and the winds pick up strengthening gusts around the hills and around the coast as well. further south, breezy but

largely dry temperatures rising to around 20 or 21 celsius, and the best of the sunshine . cool the best of the sunshine. cool under the cloud and rain 14 to 16 celsius. and that rain continues to push into the north sea as we head through the evening time and overnight elsewhere. further showers pushing in from the atlantic and staying on the breezy side . but staying on the breezy side. but looking through next week, there's some improvement with there's some improvement with the weather, we'll see temperatures lifting perhaps as high as 26 to 28 celsius by midweek

gb news. >> hello and welcome to nana akua with me, darren grimes for in nana akua. we're going to have all the latest on the tragic stabbing in germany and a whole host of other bits and bobs. now the news is going to come up after all of the topics

that we've got coming up. but don't forget, this show is about opinion. it's about my opinion. it's about their opinion, and it's about your opinion. do send it's about your opinion. do send it through. we'll be debating and discussing and well, some disagreeing, but no one will be cancelled. we've got matthew laza and suzanne evans still in with us, but before we get started, folks, it's the news with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> darren, thank you and good afternoon. the top stories from the gb newsroom in germany. a 15 year old has been detained in a possible connection to that stabbing spree last night that left three people dead and several injured. german officials say they can't rule out a terrorist motive, but they still don't have a suspect. german police officials also say the attacker targeted victims throats. a major manhunt continues for the unidentified knife attacker in western germany. five of those wounded are in a life threatening

condition after a man said to have begun attacking passers—by at random in a market square , a at random in a market square, a manslaughter investigation has begun into the sinking of a superyacht in sicily, where british tech tycoon mike lynch and his teenage daughter hannah lost their lives. prosecutors believe offences were committed, possibly involving the captain , possibly involving the captain, crew, shipbuilder or others. the luxury yacht landed on its right hand side, but all bodies were found in a cabin on the left . found in a cabin on the left. detectives warn it may take months to unravel the incident . months to unravel the incident. former footballer and tv presenter jermaine jenas has apologised after sending inappropriate messages to two female colleagues. jenas has been sacked as a pundit and presenter by the bbc, but maintains he's done nothing illegal. the 41 year old, who's been married for 13 years, told the sun newspaper he's let down his family, friends, colleagues and the women involved. he says he's now seeking help .

he's now seeking help. >> this is completely on me , i >> this is completely on me, i am 100% in the wrong and i accept full responsibility for that. and it's something that obviously i need to address and look at myself. the family situation is the thing that is at the forefront of my mind, that i'm trying to just piece back together , but i've also got back together, but i've also got to be able to kind of lock myself in the mirror and understand where i've gone wrong and understand that this is on me. it's not on anybody else. there's nobody else to blame here. >> robert f kennedy junior has suspended his independent presidential bid and will instead be backing donald trump. however, some of his families say the decision is a betrayal of their values , calling it of their values, calling it a sad ending to a sad story. the nephew of former president jfk joined the republican nominee on stage at an event in arizona. the former us president donald trump claims the democrats want to arrest and silence their political rivals. >> his candidacy has inspired

millions and millions of americans, raised critical issues that have been too long ignored in this country, and brought together people from across the political spectrum in across the political spectrum in a positive campaign grounded in the american values of his father, robert kennedy, a great man and his uncle, president john f kennedy. man and his uncle, president john f kennedy . and i know that john f kennedy. and i know that they are looking down right now, and they are very , very proud of and they are very, very proud of bobby. i'm proud of bobby. you want to know the truth ? want to know the truth? >> in other news, detectives investigating a fatal house fire investigating a fatal house fire in bradford have made more arrests overnight, a mother and her three young children died after their home was reportedly set on fire on purpose. on wednesday morning, two men, aged 36 and 45, are now in police custody on suspicion of murder, whilst a 39 year old man arrested at the scene remains

critically ill in hospital. police are appealing for information as they continue their investigation . pressure is their investigation. pressure is growing on the government to overturn plans to scrap the winter fuel payment. pensioners who don't receive pension credits or other benefits will miss out on up to £300 of support. it comes after the regulator, ofgem, put up the price cap, meaning the average annual energy bill will rise by £149 from october. former prime minister rishi sunak wants a vote in the commons , and two vote in the commons, and two stages at leeds festival will remain closed for the rest of the weekend after being damaged by storm lilian. some fans are calling for refunds after several live acts were cancelled. passengers across the nonh cancelled. passengers across the north west are also being encouraged to check trains, whilst network rail's response teams remove fallen trees from tracks. meanwhile, the met office has issued a yellow weather warning across london, kent and essex and those are the latest gb news headlines. for

now i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you very much, tatiana. now as you can see, it ain't nana akua. no one can stand in for nana, but i'm going to try my best. i'm darren grimes and folks, before we get stuck in to more debate, we've got coming up today, german police detained a 15 year old in connection to a knife attack that left three people dead and eight others injured . now the authorities are injured. now the authorities are saying that a motive is unclear, but can't rule out terror. a manslaughter investigation is launched following the deaths of seven people after a superyacht sank off the coast of sicily.

gas prices and electricity pnces gas prices and electricity prices are set to rise by 10% in october. so i'm asking the question here will ed miliband's net zero drive really bring down your bills? and manchester police won't be taking part in pride, with officers ordered not to decorate their uniforms to maintain professional standards. the question here, folks, is should police take part in local pride parades? that's all coming up in this next hour. send in your views please, to and post your views please, to and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay . i'm in for gbnews.com/yoursay. i'm in for nana akua and i'll tell you what. these high heels are absolutely killing me now at this and we're only one hour in. but folks, you've written in some views and i thank you very much for doing so. a lot of questions about my use of the word pet. apparently i could be going to prison these days. you're not allowed to call

people pet, but anthony says your panel is behind the curve. going back to the united states of america . he says the timing of america. he says the timing of america. he says the timing of kennedy's move is significant. taking the gloss off of the democrat convention, it's quite clear the trump campaign has been biding its time, and the real election starts now. so could we see some more momentum and gusto from the republican side of the argument? but then tony t has a message . but then tony t has a message. kamala has surprised many. tony says great confidence, a force of nature indeed. let's see how the debate goes. but what a revelation. she's been. well, a divergence of views there. do let me know yours. now we're going to go to our top story. german police have detained a 15 year old wanted in connection with a mass stabbing in western germany yesterday night . three germany yesterday night. three people died and eight others were injured in a brutal attack

at a music festival. a motive for the attack still isn't clear, but the authorities haven't ruled out a terror related motive. well, joining me now is the former nato commander and former ministry of defence director general, chris parry. chris, thank you very much for your company looking at this in europe, we basically now seem to have become so desensitised to these kinds of attacks. i mean, just how worried and anxious ought we be about being at any pubuc ought we be about being at any public event? frankly and the use of knives in these kinds of horrible, barbaric attacks ? horrible, barbaric attacks? >> well, i think we all should be worried. there's been a significant rise in knife crime, both in europe and, of course, in the united kingdom. i mean, this year alone, we've had 50,000 incidents. last year, about 52,000. and so, you know ,

about 52,000. and so, you know, it's just increasing. germany's the same. they've seen a shocking increase. and i think what we have to accept is that there are hateful ideologies who are targeting suggestive and vulnerable young men in particular, to commit outrages at places where people are enjoying themselves and yeah, it's a good point. >> i mean, you know, there is a large part of me that thinks, well, us in this country, knife crime, it seems to be a daily event now. and those reports are coming in thick and fast. is this just the advent of 24 hour news cycles and people having access to social media at their fingertips? quite literally? or is this actually increasing and more prevalent ? more prevalent? >> well, it's definitely increasing and more prevalent. i mean, i can only go on my own personal experience. the number of times in the last two years i've seen people with knives in pubucin i've seen people with knives in public in london, so it's obviously more prevalent. the fact is, darren, there aren't

sufficient deterrents. there isn't the police presence. there isn't the police presence. there isn't the police presence. there isn't the public disapproval of people carrying knives, i'm afraid to say prison doesn't count anymore. certainly i'm old enough to remember a time when people used to fear prison. i don't think that's the case anymore. it's hardly a hardship regime. people have access to mobile phones. they have access to tvs. and of course, they get out after 40% of their sentence. so it's not not a deterrent anymore. we should really should be going after these people who are either a threat or indeed are either a threat or indeed are the potential to offer violence by means of knives. >> and chris, one of our viewers who's a member of gb news, i thank them very much for being so mr decker says there's a pattern here of young men and boys in knife attacks developing. now, if we're seeing it in germany too, i mean, is in germany, do they have the same problems with as you say, a lack of a deterrent to actually deter

people from doing this with a, with the knowledge that actually they'll be putting the rest of their lives in jeopardy, potentially or, you know, are is it just europe across the piece that it seems to be quite weak and shrugs its shoulders at the threat? it faces ? threat? it faces? >> darren i'm afraid to say that it doesn't ruin people's lives. they go into prison. they again, you get rehabilitation of offenders and all that sort of thing. i remember when i was young and i always hate to bring up when i was young. you know, i brought my bike home one night, five miles, rather than ride it without a light so i wouldn't actually get a criminal record. now people are afraid of that anymore . and until we bring the anymore. and until we bring the fear of the law back into people's lives and they have to live with the consequences, all this sort of thing is going to happen. this sort of thing is going to happen . but i must stress happen. but i must stress there's nigel farage element that has entered these major crimes. we have hateful ideologies who are essentially

grooming young men, in particular those with grievances, those who are vulnerable, those who are susceptible to go out and commit. these crimes. there is no doubt in my mind that when you have a look at taylor swift concerts being threatened in austria, when you see this sort of thing happening, this is part of thing happening, this is part of a wider pattern . and i'm of a wider pattern. and i'm afraid to say europe is in denial about it. >> yeah. i mean, what's it going to take then, chris, is the question for a bit of a wake up call. there but, i mean, there are so many of our viewers actually saying that actually they they feel unsafe and that they they feel unsafe and that they! they they feel unsafe and that they i heard from many people, actually, taylor swift fans saying that they wouldn't go see taylor swift here in london out of fear of something like what was going to happen in vienna. and thankfully didn't from occurring in this country . you occurring in this country. you know, let's not forget, in 2017, we had the horrible manchester arena incident . it just we had the horrible manchester arena incident. it just seems like people are afraid to live

their lives as free citizens, you know, in part of their own country. people feel fearful and isn't that a really scary, damning indictment on where we are as a society? one of our earlier guests actually said he wants to see the an end to end to end encryption on a smartphone and whatsapp and all these other platforms. is that these other platforms. is that the solution? are we just going to become more authoritarian in our means of actually stopping this sort of thing happening? isn't that a sad consequence to. >> well, if that's what it takes, darren, that should be the case. you know, frankly, i think people being authoritarian, as long as they're consistent and fair, what we're seeing at the moment is the application of the law in a very inconsistent way. and it's targeted against certain sections of society . my own sections of society. my own view, for what it's worth, is i think that there should be

universal stop and search. yes, the police should be able to stop anybody any time they want. i don't mind being stopped and searched and nobody else should ehhen searched and nobody else should either. it actually keeps a free society free and safe. if you're carrying a knife, you really need to feel the full weight of the law. and that means punitive sentences, frankly. >> yeah, i mean, exactly. if the minor inconvenience of being stopped and searched saves lives, it strikes me as pretty obvious. but you know, what i would say is a little bit less focus on someone posting something a little bit unsavoury on facebook and maybe a little bit more focus on tackling the very real issues that face a lot of people on the streets might be necessary. chris parry, thank you very much for your insight there. i do appreciate your time . there. i do appreciate your time. now, my friends, a manslaughter investigation has been launched after a superyacht sank off the coast of sicily. the disaster claimed seven lives, including british tech tycoon mike lynch

and his seven. his 18 year old daughter hannah. prosecutors believe offences were committed, possibly involving the captain crew , shipbuilder or others. the crew, shipbuilder or others. the luxury yacht landed on its right hand side, but all bodies were found in a cabin on the left. detectives warn it might actually take months to unravel this incident. i'm joined by someone who's followed this all very closely. the italian journalist alessandro arena. alessandro, thank you very much for your time. alessandro. just how serious could this could the consequences for be those who may indeed end up being found guilty of some kind of corporate manslaughter or something of that effect ? that effect? >> we will see in the next days. >> we will see in the next days. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> first of all, we will see in the next days because before the optical exams, there will be of course, the first notices of

interrogation . in this moment, interrogation. in this moment, the captain risks a lot because he might be the first the first people who has responsibility in the disaster. we don't people who has responsibility in the disaster . we don't know if the disaster. we don't know if it was a mistake or something else. this will be only the prosecutor who will who will analyse it. but of course , what analyse it. but of course, what today, he said was that everybody should be always consider considering to stay in sicily to be to help as they did it in the last days to resolve this case, because also there were some, some other questions that didn't come out for example, these these people didn't receive the alcohol test because in that moment they were shocked and they it was necessary to heal their wounds. but in these days, they are still able to answer the questions. and this means that

everybody should stay here in italy, even if there is no obugafion italy, even if there is no obligation from the law to keep them here. >> yeah, absolutely. it's got to be investigated to find out what on earth happened. i mean , the on earth happened. i mean, the bayesian itself, the superyacht , bayesian itself, the superyacht, it cost a many, many millions of pounds. i mean, that sort of event shouldn't be happening on something that large and expensive. it must take a real freak of nature for it to or a real, failure on behalf of professionals for something like this to occur. surely in which there are so many unnecessary deaths ? deaths? >> well, we have to start from one point the night as they said to this morning, there was no warning of a storm, so nobody could expect what really happened. and in this case, we are really we really don't know what happened. also because, you know, there was the other boat,

which was smaller and smaller than bayesian, and it didn't happen anything. even if the storm was really close to the boat, it was not just a storm. they called it today a downburst, because it's something really bigger than a storm and something that can break, such as they said today, such a big boat like bayesian, we are, we are just supposing that only natural references for this, for this accident, there are maybe something that there is maybe something that we still don't know. but the, the interrogations can i think that will be really, really long. and and even if there are, there will be in the next days some notices of interrogation. i think that they won't be enough to resolve the case, or just to give the first answer to these people. >> definitely, definitely . there >> definitely, definitely. there are so many questions to be answered there. alessandro, thank you very much for your time there. that's the italian

journalist alessandro arena . journalist alessandro arena. now, you know, it's as big that ship, that yacht rather was as tall as nelson's column . it tall as nelson's column. it beggars belief to think of the sheer size of it . folks, you're sheer size of it. folks, you're with me. darren grimes on gb news on your tv and on digital radio. energy bills are set to rise by 10% in october. i'm asking the question will ed miliband's net zero drive really bnng miliband's net zero drive really bring down bills

hello. welcome back. you're with me . darren grimes in for nana me. darren grimes in for nana akua on gb news on tv and on digital radio. now it's time again for the great british debate. this hour. again for the great british debate. this hour . and i'm debate. this hour. and i'm asking with ed miliband's net zero drive, really bring down

bills . ofgems energy price cap bills. ofgems energy price cap is set to increase by 10% from just over £1,500 to more than £1,700 from october 1st, for a typical household in england, scotland and wales. here's what energy secretary ed miliband had to say on this very matter. >> i know this will be really worrying news for lots of families who will face even greater struggles. >> this winter, and it's a direct result of our country's exposure to international gas markets that are controlled by dictators . and that is a legacy dictators. and that is a legacy left to us by the last government. that's why this government. that's why this government has a plan to do something about it. our mission for clean home—grown power that we control in this country, and it's why we've hit the ground running in just seven weeks. consenting new solar power overturning the ban on onshore wind precisely to give our country the energy security we

don't have at the moment . don't have at the moment. >> i understand i completely understand why so many people are frustrated at the government that's not doing anything about their energy bills, that's dhhenng their energy bills, that's dithering and delaying , just dithering and delaying, just like it did at the beginning of the year . in like it did at the beginning of the year. in the end , politics the year. in the end, politics is about choices , and this is about choices, and this government is choosing to protect the profits of oil and gas companies. unexpected profits of oil and gas companies, rather than sticking up for and helping hardworking families and struggling businesses. i hope that just as we did earlier this year, we can force them into a u—turn because under my leadership, labour is on. >> well, hey, i'll tell you what ed miliband talk about green zealot. it might as well be greta thunberg there. but let's remind ourselves of what sir keir starmer had to say about energy bills going up only two

years ago. that was him there. in that clip . now for the great in that clip. now for the great british debate, i'm going to ask the question with will ed miliband's net zero drive really drive down bills? you saw those two clips. you had ed miliband at the top. there then sir keir starmer from 2022. that ed miliband clip was from yesterday. i believe. now, suzanne, i'm going to start with you because you've got a thing or two to say about this issue now. i am utterly perplexed at how we've managed to get ourselves into a position in believing that somewhere like saudi arabia wouldn't build a load of solar panels and put them literally in a desert over britain, which is rainy and has intermittent so—called reliable energy here in this country that ain't going to we could pave over the whole of britain, right? we could make it from land's end up to the shetland islands. let's pave over the whole lot , pave it over with whole lot, pave it over with solar panels and wind farms. it still ain't going to make a jot of difference. how are you going

to power gas boilers? >> yeah, absolutely. this is like a new religion. you look at how religions operate and how top down dictatorship. they are, how they kind of pull the wool over their eyes, how they make statements of faith . and this is statements of faith. and this is what ed miliband reminds me of when he starts talking about net zero. he's a zealot, pure and simple. it is a religion to him, andifs simple. it is a religion to him, and it's one that i'm afraid is completely wrong, completely warped, completely pie in the sky. and the question is, is net zero going to bring our electricity bills down? no, it absolutely isn't. the fact is, our gas and electricity bills are already sky high, partly because of the green levies that are included in those bills, which are basically another tax on our bills to basically pay for green energy investment and green energy research. and that goes to these green energy companies. so much money. if we took those green levies away, then not only would our bills be

lower, and if we got rid of the net zero zealotry, then actually we could invest properly in oil and gas. and if anybody really, really wanted to get energy bills down in this country, they would be making sure that the oil and gas industry were supported, not taxed as they were under the conservative government at 75%. and now and vilified. and now labour wants to tax them at 78%. so what's happening is several major oil and gas companies who are operating in the north sea have now pulled out . they're also now pulled out. they're also talking about how they're not going to put any more investment into the north sea, because they're going to off norway or to the us, where the governments are more open to actually having are more open to actually having a sensible oil policy. i mean, norway is not not against, green energy, but they recognise that there is wealth in the country that can support the economy, support the welfare system and so on. and so forth, and that it's too soon to start removing all that infrastructure because there's no way at the moment in this country that solar, wind, hydro can actually supply the

uk's energy needs. and ed miliband to have the cheek to say that we are reliant on dictators because of that. well i'm sorry, he'sjust going dictators because of that. well i'm sorry, he's just going to make it even worse by pulling funding for oil and gas. i couldn't agree more. >> and john has written in and john says, suzanne is so intelligent and sensible , she intelligent and sensible, she should have stood for the reform party. there you are , suzanne, party. there you are, suzanne, for pm matthew laza . for pm matthew laza. >> listen, nobody's writing in to say i should be pm. i'll find one, i'll find one, and we might get . i'm your favourite leftie. get. i'm your favourite leftie. he's about as good as it gets. oh, that's true robert, there is one question. >> robert wrote in with a question for you, matthew. we still need oil and gas. i worked offshore for many years instead offshore for many years instead of us using our own massive reserves for new licences and all the rest, they have now been banned. plus, the industry is expecting a tax rise come the budget. this will make investment in the north sea sea not viable. i think companies will shut down current operational rigs and that will result in the uk relying on president putin for our energy

needs. so are you and the labour party in hock to president putin? >> well, i mean, i think what we needis >> well, i mean, i think what we need is an energy mix. i mean, and so i personally and that's what ed miliband. well, he does, but because remember the government is in favour of new nuclear power as well. it's not all about it's about zero carbon. >> how is that going to take. >> how is that going to take. >> well because the government is still the previous government only sort of got one started in the entire. >> how many did tony blair build? >> well, the one that's been built at the moment was actually sanctioned by the by the, by the blair government. it was then paused because the lib dems in the coalition said no nuclear. and then it was kind of restarted. so i mean, look, i personally i mean, i used to work for ed miliband, but i personally declare my interest. but i personally believe , as do but i personally believe, as do the big unions, the gmb and unite, who represent north sea oil workers and people in in the rest of the energy sector. i believe that we probably should look to exploit sensible parts of the new north sea capacity. so i'm not i'm not in favour of a blanket ban on licences. i think if it is going to make a

difference that we're less reliant on foreign gas as we transition towards the net zero economy, and i'm very much. in fact, i've always been very much in favour of nuclear power. and so in the mix. so we need to get the nuclear power stations built. and yes, we also need wind farms and solar power as well. it's not going to be all of the answer, but we need that mix. >> one of our viewers, suzanne, says ed miliband's career should have died with the edstone. >> i was there, were you there? i was there at the unveiling. it was above my pay grade, but i was, i was. would you make the edstone? >> no, no, i don't mean you carved it. i mean, was it your idea? >> the idea was above my pay grade. but i sadly, i wasn't actually scheduled to be there. but because of a problem with trains, i ended up there in hastings. as it was unveiled, my big thing was the. >> what was i talking about religion. here he was scaffolding holding it up. moses coming down. >> it was like that. >> it was like that. >> the command, the scaffolding holding up was blue. >> and my big thing was to get the members of the hastings labour party to stand in front of it. so it wasn't it wasn't covered in tory blue that was it. >> well, i doubt the tories want to be pictured with the edstone to be pictured with the edstone to be pictured with the edstone to be fair. >> or do you remember the other

thing where his career should have taken a nosedive was the beef burger, bacon sandwich, bacon sandwich, bacon sandwich? >> yeah it was. >> yeah it was. >> i was brought in to make sure there was never another bacon sandwich. >> actually, you can't eat that now. surely the pigs, you know, you've got to be carbon neutral. you've got to have vegan food, some nuts or something. >> ed's not a vegan. >> ed's not a vegan. >> no. evidently not if he's eating a bacon sandwich. well, i mean, the whole thing is really, really worrying . really worrying. >> you know, i foresee a sort of almost an armageddon style scenario, the kind of climate change people are trying to say that we're going to have armageddon because of climate change, i'm afraid. i think it's going to be the opposite. it's because of the net zero policies, as you say before nuclear comes on stream, that we're going to be left with no light, no heat. people are going to die because they're cold. coal people have, i think, i think we've got to move towards greater energy security , and we greater energy security, and we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. >> but the move to net zero is important because tackling climate change is important. >> well, look in the 1990s we had energy security and we were a we a net export. actually, we had energy in this country and were producing enough energy to export around the world. now we're not in that position now . we're not in that position now. i wonder what's caused that. it doesn't take i don't think it

takes a brain surgeon to work that out, i really don't. or a greta thunberg. >> yeah. he's a lot taller. he's the tallest man ever to lead the labour party. ed miliband. miliband. it's exactly the same height as me. >> oh, well, there we are. >> oh, well, there we are. >> okay, well, i'm sorry, i don't think you're height. have any. >> it was just because i was thinking of greta and ed together would be quite a big gap. sorry. forgive me. it's a saturday afternoon. >> are you going to get up there and spin one of those windmills whilst the wind's not blowing? >> you are the more exactly. >> you are the more exactly. >> oh, you could power the world, matthew. power the world. all right, we'll leave that one there. thank you very much to my panel there. thank you very much to my panel. matthew laza and suzanne evans for being good sports. now, folks, you're with me. darren grimes on gb news on tv and on digital radio. coming up next, a lot of you are animated about this manchester police have ordered officers to not decorate their uniforms during pride. decorate their uniforms during pnde.do decorate their uniforms during pride. do you agree with that? don't go away .

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darren grimes in fontana, akua, on gb news and on digital radio. now, you've been active on gb views. pet gate has been getting some of you going. james says . some of you going. james says. darren, i love the term pet. my old bank manageress was from the northeast. she called us all pets and it was lovely. well, james, i'm afraid post the revolution . your northeast bank revolution. your northeast bank manageress. she's in the gulag for using that ross from cumbria says net zero pet zero. i like what he did there . what's next? what he did there. what's next? wet zero. well, matthew laza wouldn't be on the panel if that's the case. >> i mean, i think pets, i think people darling is a bit sort of patronising. what about love? it's fine because pets kind of gender neutral. >> i call everybody darling. that's because you're very theatrical. yeah. if i can't remember their names, especially. all right. a good catch all. now to get on to the actual great british debate, which isn't on pet gate, i'm

asking the question, should police take part in local pride parades ? parades? >> manchester police aren't taking part in pride this year, with officers warned not to decorate their uniforms with any type of emblem or badge or flag. this is in a bid to maintain professional standards across the force . now, this is an issue the force. now, this is an issue that's got a lot of you animated at home too. so for the great british debate, i'm asking should the police take part in local pride parades? well, joining me again, as you know, is political commentator suzanne evans and former labour party adviser matthew laza matthew. i'll start with you. do you have a problem with the police doing this? because you know, there have been videos over the years, recent years of police being seen to be dancing at these pride parades and all kinds of other things. and a lot of people saying, well, i'm not sure about that. are we getting into the realms of a politicised

police force? >> i think we don't want a politicised police force, but i don't think appearing at a pride celebration is politicised. any more. in terms of the police's participation , any more than, participation, any more than, you know, appearing at a at a carnival or a fete. we're going to see notting hill carnival this weekend and you will see the police dancing there, as part of maintaining good relations. i mean, i was just, i grew up, i'm from manchester. if i wasn't with you down, i may well be at manchester pride. benjamin butterworth. benjamin butterworth, our colleague, is there. and this is lefties and there. and this is lefties and the tories will be marching, you know, the greater manchester police. when i was growing up, the chief constable, the then notorious chief constable james anderson, said that talking about hiv and aids, that homosexuals were swirling in a human cesspit of their own making. so the police force has had and has had a lot of ground to make up in terms of rebuilding trust and rebuilding relations. i don't think people should be wearing explicit. police officers shouldn't be wearing explicitly political slogans. if there's a particular, you know, demand, you know , for on an issue,

you know, for on an issue, a sort of a particular political ask, as it were. no, a general participation in pride parades. and if you know, somebody has a has a rainbow lanyard, i don't think it's the end of the world. i mean, manchester, greater manchester force is getting a lot better, but it's had a lot more to worry about over the last few years than its participation in pride and one day of the year. >> all right. i mean, suzanne, that the argument from viewers, though, is that actually we saw in london the police force took the knee to black lives matter protesters wearing those rainbow lanyards. a lot of people , lanyards. a lot of people, especially this new, horrible , especially this new, horrible, vomit inducing pride flag that's been created over recent years, actually has come to stand for things like the mutilation of young children, for example. so some people might may well be of the view that actually to wear that rainbow lanyard is to take a position in and of itself. >> i think it is. a position in and of itself. >> i think it is . it absolutely >> i think it is. it absolutely is, particularly, as you say, the new one, which has included the new one, which has included the trans agenda, which many gay people who are very good friends of mine say, actually, well, that's not right. this is not

about the trans issue is completely different from from homosexuality. completely different. it shouldn't really have any part in that. and it's interesting, i think even some hard liners in the kind of lgbt plus whatever network are beginning to recognise that now that in fact this is potentially harming their cause and is tending to row back from it, which i think is a very good thing, because, as you say, ultimately we have seen children abused and mutilated as a result of this philosophy, and i think it's going to be a massive scandal in years to come. it's already coming out like that, and i think it's just going to snowball and get get worse and worse. actually. it's dreadful what's been done as far as greater manchester police are concerned, i think this is absolutely the right decision. >> do you buy into what matthew said, though, about actually in the past mistakes have been made. so maybe this is rectified. >> and i was horrified when matthew said what the police had said. i mean, that'sjust unforgivable , really, but unforgivable, really, but there's a limit, isn't there, to how much you can keep flagellating yourself and apologising constantly. you have to take a view for the here and

now and ultimately , policing now and ultimately, policing should not be politicised and i don't think police should be participating in and demonstrating in the way that they do with pride. they should like they shouldn't be taking part in any other protest. they're there to police it , they're there to police it, that's all. not to join in. >> now, the reason a lot of viewers are getting involved in this, matthew, they're saying, well, actually we're already witnessing the fragmentation of britain, right? where they say that actually there's a two tier police network service and or policing and that actually the way to rectify that is to strip it back, get back to basics. was that a john major like it was? >> it was it didn't end well for john major. it didn't. you're too young to remember that. >> well, yeah. and i was just born and he. well, back then the police weren't known to be associated with political movements. now, actually, because the pride movement has become. so i would argue, toxic because of its association with what i think has been a really

terrible era for our country , terrible era for our country, that there are real problems to associate the police with. >> so i think let's just look at what we're talking about here is, i mean, there's a big, huge debate about the trans issue, you know, i think some mistakes have been made and we clearly saw that in the, in the cass review with how people have been treated. i don't believe that anybody under 16 should in any way be considered for any surgery or reversible, anything that's irreversible in terms of puberty blockers. but i do think we need to support trans young people. but i don't think but that's why i backed the cass review, as the government does on the issue of greater manchester police. i thought it was daft when the national trust tried to make every every volunteer wear a pride lanyard. on the other hand, i think it's also daft to say you can't wear also daft to say you can't wear a pride lanyard if you so choose. so i mean, what we're talking about there will be police. there'll always be police. there'll always be police at the parade actually doing the police function as it were. but in terms of because it's obviously a very, very big gathering of tens indeed hundreds of thousands of people at the biggest prides like manchester and london and brighton. and what you actually have is in terms of their police, people who are volunteering mostly, lesbian and

gay police officers themselves, they're marching in the parade. i think it's fine for them if they're in the parade to wear a pride flag, if the people are serving as in keeping the public order, then they shouldn't be wearing any insignia other than the police uniform, danny says. >> in gb views, manchester police have been told not to decorate their cars in pride flags or wear pride badges, etc. but for years millions in taxpayer cash has been wasted on advertising it on police cars, ambulances, buses and all sorts. it should never have happened in the first place. i was actually told that in northumberland police and northumbria police rather that one of the trans cars, it has a trans flag on it and not it's not driven by a trans person. to clarify, it's inoperable. they can't use it because of its colours and all of its what's on it. >> so it's there for show because it doesn't because it doesn't pass. you have to have certain regulations about what it is. and i thought this just exposes the whole farce of this whole thing. >> you know , i really you know, >> you know, i really you know,

i'm no way not supportive of gay people. i'm completely accepting of gay people. just to put that on the record. but i hate seeing the pride flag hoisted above pubuc the pride flag hoisted above public buildings. i hate seeing it on zebra crossings. i don't like seeing it on police cars and seeing it pushed in your face. it's not acceptable. the fact is, gay people are welcome and fully included in our society, and there is no need for this anymore. yeah, and it's a waste of public money. it should fly the union jack. >> that's what i see. right, folks? thank you very much, matthew. thank you very much. suzanne. you're with darren grimes standing in for nana akua on gb news on tv and on digital radio. coming up. it's the pulse. we'll have more on that in just a

welcome back. you're with darren grimes on gb news, on tv and on digital radio in for nana akua now , folks, the government has now, folks, the government has extended a temporary ban on

puberty blockers to also include northern ireland. the drugs work by suppressing the release of hormones and can be prescribed to children questioning their gender from a very young age . is gender from a very young age. is this the right call? well, joining me to discuss is the nhs gp, david lloyd. david, thank you very much for your company. i wonder this this debate has really come to the fore over recent years and certainly since the cass review has been expedited. where do you stand on the cass review? independent as it was and the findings that were unearthed within it ? were unearthed within it? >> so just to correct you, this is this latest statement that's been issued is about private prescriptions. >> so people who get private prescriptions online for puberty blockers won't be able to get them from their local chemist anymore. and as a gp, i won't be able to prescribe on the nhs puberty blockers that have been

initiated by private doctors, or that a big problem. >> private prescriptions in this area? yes, i think it is. >> i mean, you know, the, the problems with the health service means that an awful lot of people are seeking their care privately and so people can get ozempic online, people can get puberty blockers online. >> so it's a it's a big, river of people looking for solutions to their problems that are going online. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> and i mean, just how worried are you about the long term effects of if a young person were to access these medical interventions , how concerned are interventions, how concerned are you as a gp that actually people come into your practices in a few years time may well have be suffering the consequences? >> i think this is a huge issue. >> i think this is a huge issue. >> the cass report says that there may be a role for puberty blockers, but any doctors in the uk that want to do it need to do

it within the context of a research trial. >> so hopefully as a result of the cass review, we'll have some hard data because the research out there is not good and doesn't give us long term consequences of people going on these powerful drugs. >> and, and then the sort of assumption is that when you, when the time comes, you'll move from gender blocking drugs up to, drugs that actually help change your sex. >> so it's a very complicated issue. >> and i honestly, i think my, my view is like everybody else's. if you are a young person, do you have the capacity to make these incredibly important decisions about your life, i could, you know , if a 12 life, i could, you know, if a 12 year old comes in and sees me and says, i'd like to go on the contraceptive pill, and i deem them so—called fraser competent, i'm that's within my powers, and i'm that's within my powers, and i can. i can do that and help them get the contraception they need without having to involve their parents. but i think there is a it's a it's a next level up

when you're talking about gender issues. and there's no doubt there's been a huge increase in there's been a huge increase in the number of people that are seeking help with their gender problems in the uk, particularly amongst people that are registered as female at birth. it used to be boy people who are registered as male at birth that were the main clients for these clinics . but now were the main clients for these clinics. but now we're seeing a huge upswing in people who were born female. so there's something going on in society which is triggering this. just like the neurodiversity debate as well. >> exactly. i agree, and for saying that you're accused of all sorts of isms and phobias, but i can remember when i was at school, you know , the size zero school, you know, the size zero phase was a whole big scare where people were starving themselves. and i fear that this is something that's becoming quite widespread thanks to social media too. but we'll have to leave it there. david lloyd, thank you very much for your expertise there. now you're with darren grimes on gb news on your tv and radio. i'll see you after

this break. weather >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . solar sponsors of weather on. gb. news >> hello there ! welcome to your >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news. weather from the met office. it remains changeable over the next 24 hours. further showers and longer spells of rain. temperatures on the cool side, particularly under the cloud and rain and looking at the bigger picture, low pressure generally in charge of our weather through the rest of the weekend. weather systems pushing through on quite a brisk westerly breeze as well. the rest of saturday we have blustery showers, particularly across the north and the west of the uk. some of these will be heavy. most frequent across north western parts of scotland overnight, some clear spells developing in places. driest weather always across central and eastern areas but quite breezy. temperatures on the

fresh side, dropping down to around 9 to 11 celsius, taking us into sunday morning. but there'll be plenty of sunny spells across central and eastern areas, cloud already thickening across the west, and if we zoom to in scotland, we can see northern and western parts of scotland fairly cloudy, showery outbreaks of rain. best of the sunshine towards aberdeenshire. first thing that cloud approaching parts of northern ireland into southwest scotland with outbreaks of rain and the cloud extending through the morning into wales and the west country. some sunny spells initially , but clouding over initially, but clouding over fairly quickly. the best of the sunshine across the midlands, eastern and southeast england to start sunday through the morning and into the afternoon this cloud and rain will push its way eastwards across central and northern parts. some heavy bursts of rain possible with this and the winds pick up too, with strengthening gusts around the hills and around the coast as well. further south, breezy, but largely dry. temperatures rising to around 20 or 21 celsius and the best of the sunshine . cool under the cloud sunshine. cool under the cloud and rain 14 to 16 celsius. and

that rain continues to push into the north sea as we head through the north sea as we head through the evening time and overnight elsewhere. further showers pushing in from the atlantic and staying on the breezy side but looking through next week, there's some improvement with there's some improvement with the weather. we'll see temperatures lifting perhaps as high as 26 to 28 celsius by midweek. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on >> welcome back to gb news where

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sanchez. >> darren, thank you and good afternoon. the top stories in germany. a 15 year old has been a 15 year old has been detained in a possible germany. a 15 year old has been detained in a possible connection to the stabbing spree connection to the stabbing spree last night. that left three dead last night. that left three dead and several injured. german and several injured. german officials say they can't rule officials say they can't rule out a terrorist motive, but that out a terrorist motive, but that they still don't have a suspect. they still don't have a suspect. german police officials also say german police officials also say the attacker targeted victims the attacker targeted victims throats. a major manhunt throats. a major manhunt continues for the unidentified continues for the unidentified at knife attacker in western at knife attacker in western germany. five of those wounded germany. five of those wounded are in a life threatening are in a life threatening condition. after a man is said condition. after a man is said to have begun attacking to have begun attacking passers—by at random in a market passers—by at random in a market square. a manslaughter square. a manslaughter investigation has begun into the investigation has begun into the sinking of a superyacht in sinking of a superyacht in sicily, where british tech sicily, where british tech tycoon mike lynch and his tycoon mike lynch and his teenage daughter hannah lost teenage daughter hannah lost their lives . prosecutors believe their lives . prosecutors else. their lives. prosecutors believe offences were committed possibly involving the captain, crew, shipbuilder or others. the

luxury yacht landed on its right

me. it's not on anybody else. there's nobody else to blame here. >> robert f kennedy jr has suspended his independent presidential bid and will instead be backing former us president donald trump . however, president donald trump. however, some of his families say the decision is a betrayal of their values, calling it a sad ending to a sad story. the nephew of former president jfk joined the republican nominee on stage at an event in arizona. trump claims the democrats want to arrest and silence their political rivals . political rivals. >> his candidacy has inspired millions and millions of americans, raised critical issues that have been too long ignored in this country, and brought together people from across the political spectrum in across the political spectrum in a positive campaign grounded in the american values of his father, robert kennedy , a great father, robert kennedy, a great man, and his uncle , president man, and his uncle, president john f kennedy. man, and his uncle, president john f kennedy . and i know that john f kennedy. and i know that they are looking down right now,

and they are very , very proud of and they are very, very proud of bobby. i'm proud of bobby. you want to know the truth ? want to know the truth? >> back home, detectives investigating a fatal house fire investigating a fatal house fire in bradford have made more arrests overnight. a mother and her three young children died after their home was reportedly set on fire on purpose on wednesday morning. two men, aged 36 and 45, are now in police custody on suspicion of murder, whilst a 39 year old man arrested at the scene remains critically ill in hospital. police are appealing for information as they continue their investigation . now their investigation. now pressure is growing on the government to overturn plans to scrap the winter fuel payment. pensioners who don't receive pension credits or other benefits will miss out on up to £300 of support. it comes after the regulator, ofgem, put up the price cap , the regulator, ofgem, put up the price cap, meaning the average annual energy bill will rise by £149 from october. former prime minister rishi sunak wants a

vote in the commons in two stages. that leeds festival will remain closed for the rest of the weekend after being damaged by storm. lilian. some fans are calling for refunds after several live acts were cancelled. passengers across the nonh cancelled. passengers across the north west are also being encouraged to check trains, while network rail's response teams remove fallen trees from tracks. the met office has issued a yellow weather warning across london, kent and essex and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , or go to gbnews.com the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> thank you tatiana. this is gb news my friends. i'm darren grimes standing for in nana akua. and here's what's coming up on the show. german police

detain a 15 year old in connection to a knife attack that's left three people dead and eight others injured. authorities say a motive is unclear but can't rule out terror. elsewhere, a manslaughter investigation is launched following the deaths of seven people after a superyacht sank off the coast of sicily. and in this week's the interview , and in this week's the interview, i'll be chatting to one father who completed the three peaks challenge to honour his daughter, who tragically passed away from a rare genetic condition. god bless him. and finally, for the great british debate, this hour, i'm asking should we be heading towards a cashless society? a pretty irate about this one. this comes after tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes, with the retailer claiming it's slashed waiting times. what do you think? protect the cash or cut waiting

times? send and post your views to gbnews.com/yoursay . now to to gbnews.com/yoursay. now to our top story . to gbnews.com/yoursay. now to our top story. german police have detained a 15 year old wanted in connection with a mass stabbing in western germany yesterday night. three people died and eight others were injured in what is a brutal attack at a music festival. a motive for the attack is still not clear, but the authorities haven't ruled out a terror related motive. the counter—terrorism expert, doctor hans jakob schindler, spoke to us earlier . us earlier. >> the knife crime you had that discussion in the uk as well is on the rise . and of course it is on the rise. and of course it is one of the systematics that both isil as well as al—qaeda are asking their supporters in europe to conduct attacks with

because it is very, very, very hard for the security forces to prevent such attacks. there's hardly any communication beforehand if there is any, and getting the weapon a knife is really not something that is very obvious or puts anyone in danger of being discovered. >> yeah. now i mean, to what extent then would people across the continent going out to music festivals and all these other things, is there a real fear factor now? we had an incident, for example, at wembley immediately after the attacks that were unmasked or potential attack, rather at in vienna at the taylor swift concert. now a lot of people were scared actually saying they were fearful of going to wembley to see taylor swift perform here in london. to what extent is this just becoming part and parcel of everyday life, a fear of what may happen at events such as

these ? these? >> the events last night and the events surrounding the taylor swift concerts in vienna are very different . so in taylor very different. so in taylor swift's case, we are talking about a organised, multi—pronged attack that was prepared with explosive devices. so this is the classic terrorism, methodology that al—qaeda used all through the 1990s and early 2000. the fact that terror organisations are now reverting to these more complex attempts , to these more complex attempts, and there were multiple arrests in germany and france and belgium in the run up to the european union, the european football championship and the olympics. the fact that they are now are able to do that is really an expression or the reaction to terrorist organisations in their key areas afghanistan, the middle east, west africa having far more breathing space because since 2019 we've subsequently reduced

our military engagement in these areas . areas. >> yeah, that was our expert. there in germany, doctor hans jakob schindler, who i spoke to earlier today. now for a manslaughter investigation, has been launched after a superyacht sank off the coast of sicily. the disaster claimed seven lives, including the british tech tycoon mike lynch. now he had only just been cleared of a really, really quite big court case, and his 18 year old daughter hannah lost her life too. now, prosecutors believe offences were committed, possibly involving the captain, crew, the shipbuilder or others. detectives warn that it may take months to unravel the incident. well, joining me now to dissect this further is the italian journalist elena sabita thanwani. now, thank you very much, elena, for your company. are you there right now? because that looks awfully similar to the view that we saw. you are?

>> i'm not actually there. >> i'm not actually there. >> i'm not actually there. >> i'm near southern italy and across the strait from sicily. so i'm not in sicily. >> but i am an important area. >> but i am an important area. >> yes, similar. >> yes, similar. >> similar where the incident took place. and how unprecedented this is. is this kind of event to take place with such a formidable beast of yacht? >> well, i would say it's the first time i've ever heard of anything like this happening . anything like this happening. >> and not only in italy. >> and not only in italy. >> i think across the world are these sort of situations are extremely, extremely rare. >> and of course tragic. absolutely tragic. >> yeah. and the investigation that's that's going to unfold. are you hearing anything on what the predicted timeline of such an investigation is? because there's an awful lot to actually dissect and interrogate .

dissect and interrogate. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> well, our prosecutors were very clear in saying that it's going to take a long time, months . months. >> but i think months is very optimistic because generally speaking, in italy are criminal. >> court cases can last for many years , even as long as five, ten years, even as long as five, ten years, even as long as five, ten years, going through the various stages of appeal. what the situation is at the moment is that no one has been officially placed under investigation, the prosecutors have said there are. they're investigating negligent manslaughter and also negligent, shipwreck . but they have said shipwreck. but they have said this could change during the course of the investigation. and, of course, they're trying to work out exactly what happened. obviously they've said they're going to use satellites, but the big, big, important piece of evidence is currently sitting 57m below sea level. so until they get the wreck up out

of the water, nothing conclusive can actually be reached in terms of results of this investigation. >> and there's something being said, isn't there, about the fact that the bodies were found on the left of the ship, but the ship went over on the right? >> absolutely. it was shocking. the big things that came out of today's , news conference, which today's, news conference, which was quite extraordinary because italian prosecutors usually do not hold press conferences on ongoing investigations . but what ongoing investigations. but what came out was, the victims were officially named, which hadn't happenedin officially named, which hadn't happened in past days. there had been a lot of, you know, off the record information being provided on on the ground. two of the victims had been , of the victims had been, identified, but the seven, the entire seven missing people had not been identified one by one. and unfortunately, also the very tragic last minutes were laid out by prosecutors as well. they

say rescuers and the rescuers had very limited time to go down and carry out these rescue missions, because they literally had 15 minutes at each dive to get down to the ship , to get get down to the ship, to get down to that very, very deep level. 57m below sea level. and, and get back up. so that literally gave them 2 or 3 minutes to go down, 2 or 3 minutes to go down, 2 or 3 minutes to go down, 2 or 3 minutes to get up and about ten minutes to get up and about ten minutes literally to get into this pitch dark. vessel and try and find, find the missing people, amidst the furniture that had been thrown all over the place, electrical cables and so forth, and they found five people in a cabin on the left hand side of the vessel, and one person, the youngest victim on the right hand side of the vessel. and they said they were all positioned in a way that they were found in cabins that were further up the ship. the last cabins to actually go down. so they were searching for

pockets of air, which obviously everyone, everyone had actually hoped and prayed that they had found pockets of air and would be rescued alive. yes, unfortunately, it was a very tragic outcome. >> yes. i mean, i can't imagine a worse way to go personally. it sounds absolutely horrific. god rest them. but elena, we're going to have to get you back on, because i very much doubt this story is going to end here. thank you very much for your time and enjoy that weather. it looks gorgeous now. and in this week's the interview, i'll be chatting to one father who completed the three peaks challenge to honour his daughter, who tragically passed away from a rare genetic condition that's coming up in just

tick. welcome back. you're with darren grimes in for nana akua on gb news on tv and on digital radio. thank you for your company. now it's thank you for your company. now wsfime thank you for your company. now it's time for the interview. last october, a family were deau last october, a family were dealt a bitter blow when their three year old daughter passed away after suffering from a rare genetic condition. luna rose, voice vince, i beg your pardon. suffered with severe disabilities before she tragically passed away in her sleep. now her father , matt sleep. now her father, matt vince, a hero of man, has just completed an incredible challenge. he completed a 450 mile bike ride across england , mile bike ride across england, wales and scotland for charity, raising £32,000 so far . this is raising £32,000 so far. this is what he and his team had to say. thank you gb news. well, we

thank you too. i'm pleased to say that matt. vince joins me now . matt, thank say that matt. vince joins me now. matt, thank you very much for your company. and i tell you, my heart goes out to you . you, my heart goes out to you. it really, really does. can you tell us a bit more about the condition, because this is such a rare genetic disorder, so rare that it actually doesn't even have a name ? have a name? >> yes. so, yeah, luna was born with such a rare condition. doctors didn't really know what to do. you know, couldn't give us a name for it. she had so many different, conditions . many different, conditions. global development delay, epilepsy , and. yeah, just all of epilepsy, and. yeah, just all of that mixed combined. just yeah, she really struggled. yeah >> and the extent to which it was so many unknown unknowns, you know , is the fact of the you know, is the fact of the matter that the nhs was , you matter that the nhs was, you know, the health care providers simply did not know to what do.

is that a fair assessment. >> yes. yeah, absolutely. but they've done an absolute great job of helping us through, you know , our times with her. and, know, our times with her. and, you know , it was just such you know, it was just such a rare condition and there's been no research on it. and, yeah, it was just one of those unfortunate situations, i'm afraid . afraid. >> so then with this, this £32,000 that you've raised and done a brilliant job in, in raising and honestly , i tip my raising and honestly, i tip my hat off to you because it can't have been easy to do what you did. but luna, the basically what happened with, with luna was that you were able to find a group called aqua movers who is a physiotherapy session. they offer physiotherapy sessions and the because of the rigidity of the because of the rigidity of the actual lack of mobility, the being in the water was a great help for luna. now will, will

some of this be going to actually support charities like that? >> yeah. so the schools used to go to was charity heritage foundation, and there was a class called aqua movers. she used to go to and. yeah, they used to go to and. yeah, they used to go to and. yeah, they used to get them in the water. they had a specialist equipment and it just got all the kids in there moving freely. and yeah, it's just such a an amazing charity and an amazing school for kids with complex needs. >> can i i'm going to. for kids with complex needs. >> can i i'm going to . and >> can i i'm going to. and forgive me if this is too upsetting a question to ask , but upsetting a question to ask, but it must have been when luna was born and you found out. well, you didn't find out because no one knew what was going on. but you found out that luna had a condition anyway, and it must have been an incredibly isolating feeling, because it's not as if you could have gone to other parents and said, oh , luna other parents and said, oh, luna is suffering from x, y, and z. what do i do about it? because no one's actually experienced or precious few people have experienced what luna actually did .

did. >> yeah, exactly. so we joined a group on, you know, social media and stuff, and, i think only one person or one family in the whole world actually reached out to us for wow. and their kids got the same condition as luna, so, yeah, it was, you know, a very, very tough time. but getting in that group, aqua movers and chailey heritage foundation, you meet so many parents with kids with so many different needs , and it's just different needs, and it's just such a community and everyone helps each other out. and yeah, it's just an amazing place to go. >> yeah. and the group, are you still you're still in touch with the group? >> absolutely. yeah. we've still got, friends there. we, you know, still go to still go to jail and have tours around and see all the kids and stuff. so it's. yeah, i'll forever be in our hearts. definitely. >> now, what's what's going to be next for you then? i mean, you've done you've done this incredible challenge. you've raised all this cash. you're

going to continue raising awareness for this, for this illness and actually, you know, be able to campaign for it as a first hand account of what it's like and how difficult it is, because it must have consumed your entire life. luna's condition. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, after this challenge, you know, we only finished yesterday , we we only finished yesterday, we all need a break. must be knackered. yeah yeah. 13 of us done the challenge. we're all pretty broken, and. yeah we will, decide what we're going to do next year . will, decide what we're going to do next year. but for will, decide what we're going to do next year . but for now, will, decide what we're going to do next year. but for now, we're going to have a few beers and celebrate. and everyone's on cloud nine at the minute, so it's just it just feels amazing. >> yeah. is it difficult to be constantly reminded, you know, you're doing all these activities to be constantly reminded of, of the tragic ways in which luna passed away? you know, it must be difficult and tough to be constantly reminded that you've got this hole in your heart, essentially .

your heart, essentially. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, you know , the amount of tears that know, the amount of tears that have been on this challenge for me and all the lads, it's been it's been so tough in many ways. but, you know, we've all pulled together and we know why we're doing it, and it's for a great cause, and it it does soften the blow a little bit. it's. yeah, quite an amazing, amazing feeling, really. >> and how do you know all these lads then? tell us a bit about about their involvement. >> so it's, friends from school, friends from the gym. i go to. yeah, my cousin dan from west country. we've battled all conditions as you can see. yeah. good lord. yeah. we've had we have had the worst weather going, i think the worst day we had, we had, two hours sleep because all our tents blew away, all the fields got flooded. we slept in a barn. we had two hours of sleep, and then we had an 18 hour day, so we had to

ride 100 miles and then, well, so we climbed scarfield first and had to ride 100 miles. we were all absolutely exhausted, but it was. it's just been so worth it. it's just been amazing. amazing experience. and, yeah, i just can't thank you boys enough. >> yeah, it must have been incredibly moving, actually, knowing that they wanted to be on this journey with you and raise the money for such a laudable endeavour. >> absolutely not. you know, all the. i never asked any of these boys to do it with me. they've all stepped up and said they want to do it with me, and i can't thank you enough moving forward. >> then i mean, what would you like to see happen? do you think there is enough awareness and support? not necessarily. even just isolated to luna's condition, which, as you've mentioned, is so incredibly rare. but is there enough help and support for parents generally when it comes to , generally when it comes to, children being born with with such difficulty, >> no. i don't think there is at

all, you know, becoming first time parents is hard enough. or becoming parents the second time. third time is hard enough. but i just think when you have a disabled child there, what you have to go through is just completely out of this world. you're you're so isolated you don't know what to do , and yeah, don't know what to do, and yeah, i just think there needs to be 100% more support for families that are going through what we went through, so , yeah, i mean, went through, so, yeah, i mean, i'd love to campaign for something that can help them families as well, because it is it is a scary time. >> and, matt, if people want to actually support what you've done and support the cause, how can they do so? >> so we've got a instagram page which is remember luna—rose and, a justgiving page. if anything, you can donate. remember luna. com will take you straight to the justgiving page and that will tell you about our story and what we've done, and yeah , and what we've done, and yeah, anything you can give would be amazing. that'd be. yeah. so

appreciative. >> so that link again remember luna dot com and, you know honestly my heart goes out to you. it really, really does. i just can't imagine what it must have been like and to, to wake up to that realisation. but what a beautiful beautiful little girl. and well done you. and thank you for doing what you do, because you know you've been through the ringer and, all those lads are heroes as well, actually, for joining you on that journey. absolutely. yeah, absolutely, >> yeah. and thank you so much for your time. i really appreciate it. >> thank you very much for your time and telling us about luna rose. that's matt vince there who has just completed the most incredible of challenges in the name of raising awareness. for what? luna rose went through throughout her short life. god rest her right. joining me is the political commentator suzanne evans and the former labour party adviser matthew lazor. suzanne you're involved with charitable work, aren't you? >> yeah . i founded a charity

>> yeah. i founded a charity called lipoedema uk, which again is a genetic condition. it's a fat disorder. it affects mostly women, although it can be passed on by men as well. women, although it can be passed on by men as well . and it on by men as well. and it basically makes you fat very much below the waist. and there's nothing you can do about it. diet and exercise can actually make it worse, right? and yet people don't recognise this. so again, it's a, i was going to say a rare condition. it's known about rarely. it's actually quite common. we don't exactly know how many women suffer from it, but some estimates suggest as many as 1 in 10. i think personally it's more like 1 in 20, but of course, women face a lot of discrimination because nobody likes fat people. no. and they suffer horribly, particularly at the hands of medics as well. so what he's done is, is absolutely incredible. yeah. and i was, i was i was going to ask, are you going to be doing following him up the three peaks? yeah no, i don't think so. >> he's incredible isn't he. to have done absolutely incredible story isn't it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> matthew how do we how do we make this work? because actually the nhs has limited resources. right. how do you actually

allocate and help people in that position? because he says for years he just felt for the first two years at least, so lonely and isolated. that must be an incredibly awful feeling. >> i think that's the i think that's a bit, you know, it must be the worst feeling of all because you feel completely isolated. if you've got one of these, if you've got a child or you yourself or your partner is suffering from such a rare condition, and i hope, i think it's one of the things the nhs hasn't been great at is because obviously people don't see those conditions. let's hope that, you know, when in an age where information is passed more easily, that there are greater. there's a better way of people if they don't know the answer of medics keeping on asking down the chain. i think too much in the chain. i think too much in the nhs, people have been scared of asking questions historically, haven't they? and saying i don't know, sometimes saying i don't know, sometimes saying i don't know, sometimes saying i don't know, but let's keep asking and eventually people will find out and give the support that parents and families need. >> the i mean, the group that helped them this aqua movers group sound incredible. absolutely. do you think actually the solution these kinds of groups is supporting these independent little groups. they're so important. they're sort of lifeblood to parents who

are going through this kind of time. yeah. parents are with an understanding of what it's like to raise a child with such a condition. >> absolutely. i know for my own charity, the women that we support, they very much like getting together to discuss their experiences. and i think when you've gone through something as utterly tragic as losing a child, that becomes all the more important. >> absolutely. yeah, absolutely . >> absolutely. yeah, absolutely. support groups are so important. and it's i mean, although one person reached out to them on social media, that's one person they didn't have before. and that started the connection. so never think you're alone. there is somebody out there who will be able to help, who sadly been through what you've been through, but can can help you through, but can can help you through your journey. >> i mean, incredible actually, that one person, you know, they managed to social media has its negatives, but it does have its positives doesn't it? all right. thank you very much to the panel there. we'll be coming back to them shortly. now you're with me, darren grimes standing in for nana akua on gb news on tv and on digital radio. still to come, should society go cashless? this is after tesco cafes have done that. you'll

hear my thoughts and the thoughts of my panel. suzanne evans and matthew laza. first of all though, we're going to get the news with tatiana sanchez . the news with tatiana sanchez. >> darren, thank you very much. the top stories in germany a 15 year old has been detained in a possible connection to the stabbing spree last night that left three dead and several injured . german officials say injured. german officials say they can't rule out a terrorist motive, but that they still don't have a suspect. german police officials also say the attacker targeted victims throats. a major manhunt continues for the unidentified knife attacker in western germany. five of those wounded are in a critical, life threatening condition after a man is said to have begun attacking passers—by at random in a market square. a manslaughter investigation has begun into the sinking of a superyacht in sicily, where british tech tycoon mike lynch and his teenage daughter hannah lost their lives . prosecutors

lost their lives. prosecutors believe offences were committed possibly involving the captain, crew, shipbuilder or others. the luxury yacht landed on its right hand side, but all bodies were found in a cabin on the left . found in a cabin on the left. detectives warn it may take months to unravel the incident . months to unravel the incident. former footballer and tv presenter jermaine jenas has apologised after sending inappropriate messages to two female colleagues. jenas has been sacked as a pundit and presented by the bbc, but maintains he's done nothing illegal. the 41 year old, who's been married for 13 years, told the sun newspaper he's let down his family, friends, colleagues and the women involved. he says he's now seeking help and pressures growing on the government to overturn plans to scrap the winter fuel payment . scrap the winter fuel payment. pensioners who don't receive pension credits or other benefits will miss out on up to £300 of support. it comes after the regulator, ofgem, put up the price cap , the regulator, ofgem, put up the price cap, meaning the average

annual energy bill will rise by £149 from october. former prime minister rishi sunak wants a vote in the commons , and those vote in the commons, and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts

>> welcome back. i'm darren grimes in for nana akua and this is gb news on your tv and on your digital radio. thank you for your company. now it's time for your company. now it's time for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should we be heading towards a cashless society? supermarket tesco's has banned cash at 40 of

its cafes, leaving customers furious over the decision . tesco furious over the decision. tesco say the move has cut waiting times for customers as they look to move to a cashless system in the near future, and critics have called the move bonkers, arguing that it'll alienate customers who heavily rely on cash. customers who heavily rely on cash . so that's the question for cash. so that's the question for this great british debate. this houn this great british debate. this hour. should we be heading towards that cashless society? what are the consequences of heading to such a society? let's not forget that it was only a few weeks ago. we had that massive tech outage in which everyone was fluttering around, not able to use their cards, suddenly trying to dole out the cash and unable to do so. david evans comments on gbnews.com/yoursay cashless society is 1984. everything tracks . they will soon know how tracks. they will soon know how many sheets of toilet paper you use. goodness gracious. thank you for that comment, david. now joining me to discuss this is

the political commentator suzanne evans and labour party former labour party adviser matthew lazor. he's not in with that lot right now. >> no , thank your lucky stars. >> no, thank your lucky stars. >> no, thank your lucky stars. >> now, matthew, i'll start with you then. you must be supremely relaxed about the state knowing absolutely everything about us. >> no, i'm not, i'm not. i don't believe in the in the big state for the sake of the big state. i'm always i am, when pin numbers came in and i was, i was a producer at the bbc. we had a cameraman we used pretty much every week. and he wouldn't. he thought pin numbers were the basically the work of the devil. and that that was going to sort of, you know, i don't quite know what the difference between putting a pin in or putting your signing was going to be the thing. but then we said to him, do you have a clubcard or nectar card in your other loyalty schemes are available in your pocket? and he would go, yes. and i think that that's, that's the that's the issue. so in terms of moving to a cashless society, i think the answer is not yet and perhaps not totally even not yet and perhaps not totally ever. but the thing about it is you say it's the state, it's the market that has driven it because everybody gets their

card out and taps. and just i mean, one thing i'm really keen on is, is that, it's absolutely a universal right to have a bank account. and, you know, people should have access to a bank account. and that is very, very important that we don't sort of just automatically it's easy to say , oh, you know, people at the say, oh, you know, people at the poorest end of society can, can rely on cash. yes. but they also need to have a bank account for all the things that you can't use cash for, like buying things online. >> just very briefly before i go to suzanne, what would your what would you say to the older ladies then who are in one of these 40 tescos who use it as a social event? >> i would say that tesco have moved too early. i think it depends. i think particularly a business like tesco, which is serving a very wide range of people. there are lots of kind of small businesses and lots of individual coffee shops . don't individual coffee shops. don't take it now because it's a big hassle for them to go and bank cash at the end of the day, but they would tend to go to a younger clientele. i think a business that supports that's appealing to the whole community needs to keep taking cash. so i'm not i'm not i'm i'm not totally i'm not totally in

favour of getting rid of cash. now, suzanne , all of the now, suzanne, all of the viewers, most of them anyway, are saying, i would just boycott tesco. >> yeah, i absolutely agree. tesco has really got this wrong. i'm afraid you mentioned the global outrage. outrage, darren, when microsoft updates went horribly wrong, let's just remind ourselves of exactly what happened.then remind ourselves of exactly what happened. then it shut gp surgeries. it took broadcasters off air. businesses were completely stymied, and one estimate from an insurer analysis of the fortune 500 companies alone in america reckons it cost them $5 billion. we couldn't get trains , we we couldn't get trains, we couldn't get flights off the ground. banks were completely stymied as well. absolute nightmare. now just imagine how much worse that had been if we lived in a cashless society . lived in a cashless society. supermarkets were only taking cash because some of them couldn't, and we wouldn't have been able to buy anything . just been able to buy anything. just imagine the social breakdown. not to mention the expense. if cash was not available under those circumstances, it's far too soon. a minor thing i live

out in the countryside. if i want to pay for parking , want to pay for parking, sometimes i can't because i can't get a signal on my mobile phone and none of the machines take cash. it's ridiculous. so i'm there with my friends and we're saying, who's got a signal? have you got a signal? okay, you pay this time, i'll pay okay, you pay this time, i'll pay next or i'll pay you back, it is no way should we have a cashless society. and that's before we even think about the problems and the restrictions on our freedom. that not having cash, the glory days of bags of change have gone, haven't they? >> for it. for the parking metres. i think there'll be a whole generation who've never seen a parking metre. >> you know, matthew, you also said this is market driven. well, it isn't actually. it's being driven by the finance houses who if you're if you're a small business and you still take cash, they charge you a fortune to actually, i think it's unfair to discriminate against cash. >> but the thing is, people do. a lot of people do prefer paying with their card. >> i have to say, look, i'm going to be honest, i use my card primarily. >> i, you know, i don't like people who pay with people who pay people who pay with people who pay with their phones on getting on the london bus, where they stand there while they try and

get their phone to recognise their face for an extra 30s. so tesco's saying it speeds up service. it doesn't always. >> but what i would say though, is that i think you've got to protect the universal, the access to cash, because i do. you know, i'm going to sound like a conspiracy theorist here, but what if one day, you know, we end up with what if we'd ended up with jeremy corbyn as prime minister? right. i want to get my cash and leave the country. >> well, you've got more cash than i have , archewell. than i have, archewell. >> i wish that's my worry. we have such a big nanny state. exactly. and if cash is done away with and all our finances and all our monetary actions are completely tracked, i'm not saying this is going to happen any time soon, but potentially it could be the case. so? so let's just take the public health nanny state. you know, we're not allowed to eat or dnnk we're not allowed to eat or drink sugary drinks. we're not allowed to smoke. we're not allowed to smoke. we're not allowed to smoke. we're not allowed to do all sorts of stuff . allowed to do all sorts of stuff. what's to say in the future, there won't be a situation whereby they say, suzanne, you're a little bit overweight. no more doughnuts for you, you've had your gin allocation for the week. the fact i bought

two bottles as presents for friends is irrelevant . i'm not friends is irrelevant. i'm not allowed to buy any more like a social credit system. chinese social credit system. chinese social credit system. exactly right. where if you have deemed to behave in a way that is not, the way the government wants you to behave, and this is actually happening in china, you find yourself not able to book a train or a flight, for example. >> well, i and i feel quite scared about the direction the country's already moving in. i don't want to give the state more powers to be able to . more powers to be able to. >> i think cash should remain, should remain part of the mix. i have to say, sometimes it's the reverse that you know. it's not that you're turned off for business because it doesn't take it doesn't take cash because it only takes cash. my local bakery only takes cash. my local bakery only takes cash for under a fiver. it does a beautiful bloomer for £1.10 and then i never every time i want one i find that it's the day i don't have any cash in my pocket because i spend so much of the time paying by card. but i think we need to have the mix. won. the argument, of course, in favour of against cash is that cash in hand ends people pay their taxes, and you also get rid of people being exploited as

well because people are being paid the minimum wage at least. so there are advantages to it. but choice, choice . but choice, choice. >> it's interesting. i just had a had a lovely message from my next door neighbour in relation to your last lovely interview about about about the charity effort. and they said, you know, my son raised thousands by busking in tunbridge wells. how are you going to raise that kind of money? >> they've got card readers now. >> they've got card readers now. >> well, they do, i know, but most people don't want to do that. they just want to put their spare change. >> and you've got to pay for the card reader. of course, in order to do that. and then that's wasting resources. >> you know, you pay £50 in cash, it's £50 goes to the retailer, you pay with a card. gradually that £50 every time those pesky transaction fees. >> absolutely. well i was i was at a shop in frinton on sea of all places , in nigel's all places, in nigel's constituency, and it had on the thing. please pay us in cash. and it had the breakdown of how much they have to pay on each transaction. well, david, a couple of weeks ago nothing. >> david says cash is still the young prefer cashless because they can't count their change. i do hope david doesn't think i'm young, i promise, i promise i'll try my very best. i do use my

fingers, but there we are. >> well, actually , when you do >> well, actually, when you do pay >> well, actually, when you do pay in cash now, you do sometimes notice that that people are obviously not as quick as with cash transactions because they're just not used to it. yeah, because they do so few of them now. yeah. >> and i it did help with mental arithmetic having to use it. >> yeah i worked in a market when i was a teenager. i didn't it was days before we even had calculators. you had to do all the adding up of everything. everybody bought in your head. i can still add up very well. >> and what do people do when they play shop now? if you're, if you're if you're a kid and you play shop, do you now have a card reader and not them? monopoly is the is the cash going to go to parents at home? >> let us know. are your kids toys including cash card machines now instead of, you know, counting coins? >> i used to love playing shop. >> i used to love playing shop. >> yes. yeah yeah, well i didn't when i had to do it for four years, but yeah, apart from that, when you were six, it was. i loved being at the supermarkets are available, but i loved my time in the supermarket. i did actually. i had a very long queue. all the old ladies liked to chat. >> yeah. did you chat while you were chatting? i can see that very much. >> so very much so . >> so very much so.

>> let's not get started on self—service checkouts. >> oh oh , that's a whole nother. >> oh oh, that's a whole nother. okay. >> we've had that debate. we've had that debate. we will have it another time, i'm sure, because that story keeps coming back around. some people say, i saw david frost, who i normally quite like in the telegraph, saying it's luddite to want to not support moving to self—service. oh, i don't think that's true. no, i don't think that's true. no, i don't think that's true. >> no, i mean, i think i think you want to have a mix as well because i used to hate it. now if it's just if it's just for a couple of items, it's fine. but if you're doing a big shop, it's a oh yeah, it's a nightmare. >> exactly, exactly right. we'll leave that one there. thank you very much for that. suzanne evans and matthew laza now coming up on the quick fire quiz, i'm going to test the panel on some of the stories that caught their eye this week. see if they're listening. next, it's two.

welcome back. it's time for our

quick fire quiz. it's the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the stories hitting the headlines. right now i'm joined still by former labour party adviser matthew lazar and the political commentator suzanne evans . commentator suzanne evans. right. let's hear your buzzers. okay, matthew . suzanne. oh, okay, matthew. suzanne. oh, that's what they sound like. i'm glad i know that . right. glad i know that. right. >> i won't say it, but nana just normally says, says lizzie, when i'm on with lizzie cundy, there's a bit of favouritism shown. i know you're going to be impartial this year. yes. >> yeah. absolutely right. come on. question one. the first £1 coin to feature his majesty king charles the third entered circulation in the uk. what creature appears on the back to celebrate his passion for the environment, it's a wasp . environment, it's a wasp. >> we're getting short. wait b and c bee. >> it's a bee. »- >> it's a bee. >> it's a bee. >> it's a bee. »- >> it's a bee. >> i'm going to say it's. i think it is a c, but i'll say b for the sake of it. >> let's have a look .

>> let's have a look. >> a b suzanne is in the lead. i think she's going to wipe the floor. i'm not sure about this. >> let's have a reputation. let's have another go then. around 3 million have been. oh, that's on the coin . around that's on the coin. around 3 million have been issued to post offices and banks around the country. this design is one of them. of the eight that will arrange appear rather on coins ranging from one p to £2. they're quite pretty, actually . they're quite pretty, actually. >> i haven't i haven't seen it because i'm always paying on my card. >> i got my first charles note this week. oh, did you. >> all right. question number two. then closest answer wins maria brownite moreira, an american born spaniard believed to be the world's oldest person, died earlier this week. how old was she, suzanne, 119 119, 114 114. let's see. the answer is 117. >> we were kind of in the middle. do you win ? middle. do you win? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> one closer, suzanne evans, is still in the lead . it's quite an

still in the lead. it's quite an age though, isn't it? >> yeah. i don't think i'd want to live that long. >> no. right. question number three john f kennedy's nephew, robert withdrew from the presidential race to endorse donald j. trump. but what year was jfk assassinated? is it a 1961 b 1962 or c 1963? oh, that's a tie . that's a tie. >> oh, go on, i'm behind. all right. matthew 1963. >> let's have a 1963. all right. they both say c 1963. the answer is c 1963. >> you're still in the lead. >> you're still in the lead. >> yeah. jfk was indeed assassinated on the 22nd of november 1963 as he rolled through a motorcade through dallas. he was the youngest person ever to be elected as president. now, i think we've had the oldest , haven't we? had the oldest, haven't we? question number four. true or false? justin and hailey bieber, he's the singer. yes. yeah. have named their first child out of town a high court judge. you do vote labour vote their first child. their first child harry

green. bieber. true or false? matthew laza true . matthew laza true. >> i'm going to say false because. >> all right, let's have a look. the answer is false. >> oh, you wiped the floor with mrs. wins. >> it's jack blue bieber right now. question five a school worker has been jailed for nine years after stealing 1.5 million. of. what unusual item is it ? a art supplies b chicken is it? a art supplies b chicken wings or c spoons. >> it is art supplies because i can't imagine a school having £1.5 million worth of matthew laza . laza. >> i think it's art supplies, let's say chicken wings. all right , let's see what the answer is. >> it is b chicken aj . but >> it is b chicken aj. but suzanne still wins. yes. >> three two though. all right. humiliation. >> thank you very much to my panel >> thank you very much to my panel. i've been darren grimes. you've been matthew laza and you've been suzanne evans. i thank you very much for your company and i've been in for nana akua. so thank you for your company at home and your

comments and i'll leave you right now with the weather forecast with greg dewhurst . forecast with greg dewhurst. >> it looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. it remains changeable over the next 24 hours. further showers and longer spells of rain. temperatures on the cool side , temperatures on the cool side, particularly under the cloud and rain and looking at the bigger picture, low pressure, generally in charge of our weather through the rest of the weekend. weather systems pushing through on quite a brisk westerly breeze as well. the rest of saturday we have blustery showers, particularly across the north and the west of the uk. some of these will be heavy, most frequent across northwestern parts of scotland overnight. some clear spells developing in places. driest weather always across central and eastern areas, but quite breezy . temperatures on the breezy. temperatures on the fresh side dropping down to

around 9 to 11 celsius, taking us into sunday morning. but there'll be plenty of sunny spells across central and eastern areas, cloud already thickening across the west, and if we zoom to in scotland, we can see northern and western parts of scotland . fairly parts of scotland. fairly cloudy, showery outbreaks of rain. best of the sunshine towards aberdeenshire first thing. that cloud approaching parts of northern ireland into southwest scotland with outbreaks of rain and the cloud extending through the morning into wales and the west country. some sunny spells initially, but clouding over fairly quickly. the best of the sunshine across the midlands , eastern and the midlands, eastern and southeast england to start sunday through the morning and into the afternoon. this cloud and rain will push its way eastwards across central and northern parts. some heavy bursts of rain possible with this and the winds pick up too, with strengthening gusts around the hills and around the coast. as well. further south. breezy but largely dry . temperatures but largely dry. temperatures rising to around 20 or 21 celsius and the best of the sunshine. cool under the cloud and rain 14 to 16 celsius. and

that rain continues to push into the north sea as we head through the north sea as we head through the evening time and overnight elsewhere . further showers elsewhere. further showers pushing in from the atlantic and staying on the breezy side. but looking through next week, there's some improvement. with there's some improvement. with the weather. we'll see temperatures lifting perhaps as high as 26 to 28 celsius by midweek . midweek. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb

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