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chancellor olaf scholz has called the attack a horrific act. a manslaughter investigation has begun into the sinking of a superyacht in sicily , where superyacht in sicily, where british tech tycoon mike lynch and his teenage daughter hannah, lost their lives. italian authorities say that the investigation is in its initial stages, and they are not currently looking at any one specifically. however prosecutors do believe offences were committed possibly involving the captain, crew, shipbuilder or others. the luxury yacht landed on its right hand side, but all of the bodies were found in a cabin on the left. detectives warn it may take months to unravel the incident. former footballer and tv presenter jermaine jenas has apologised after sending inappropriate messages to two female colleagues. jenas has been sacked as a pundit and presenter by the bbc, but maintains he has done nothing illegal. he also argued the messages were with two consenting adults. the 41 year old, who's been married for 13

years, told the sun newspaper he's let down his family, friends, colleagues and the women involved were in an interview interview with the sun on friday, jenas insisted nothing physical ever happened, but confessed to cheating on his wife. he says he's now seeking help. >> this is completely on me , i >> this is completely on me, i am 100% in the wrong and i accept full responsibility for that. accept full responsibility for that . and it's something that that. and it's something that obviously i need to address and look at myself. the family situation is the things that is at the forefront of my mind, that i'm trying to just piece back together. but i've also got to be able to kind of look myself in the mirror and understand where i've gone wrong and understand that this is on me. it's not on anybody else. there's nobody else to blame here. >> robert f kennedy jr has suspended his independent presidential bid and will instead be backing former us president donald trump. however, some of his family say the decision is a betrayal of their values, calling it a sad ending

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want to know the truth? >> back here. detectives investigating a fatal house fire investigating a fatal house fire in bradford have made more arrests overnight. a mother and her three young children died after their home was reportedly set on fire on purpose on wednesday morning . two men, aged wednesday morning. two men, aged 36 and 45, are now in police custody on suspicion of murder, whilst a 39 year old man arrested at the scene remains critically ill in hospital. police are appealing for information as they continue their investigation . and their investigation. and finally, pressure is growing on the government to overturn plans to scrap the winter fuel payment. pensioners who don't receive pension credits or other benefits will miss out on up to £300 of support. and it comes after the regulator, ofgem, put up the price cap, meaning the average annual energy bill will rise by £149 from october. former prime minister rishi sunak has backed proposals for a commons vote. and those are the

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than paedophiles for facebook posts, de facto blasphemy laws by the back door and even flying an england flag near a mosque, landing you in the slammer. as bofis landing you in the slammer. as boris johnson points out in his daily mail column today, under this labour government, what's true and provable has become unspeakable. the mainstream media, craven as they are including the bbc channel 4 and sky news or sky news, keeps parroting labour's orwellian nonsense , calling illegal nonsense, calling illegal migration. it's been renamed folks. it's not illegal migration anymore. it's irregular. why are they parroting labour lines like they're some backbench mp with a script there by labour party headquarters ? let's be headquarters? let's be absolutely clear. it's not irregular. it's illegal. labour might be confused about what a woman is, but the rest of us

still know how to call a spade a spade right now. it just really struck me that piece when i was reading that piece, because i just thought, we are losing all sense of common sense, right? we are living through the age of nonsense and i'm deeply concerned about it. and i don't think the mainstream media should be parroting the lines that are being fed to them by the labour party. and frankly, i don't think the home office ought to be calling it irregular migration either. i mean, what are they going to do when millions of people start coming through? because irregular migration is going to get worse? it's a phenomenon that's not going to go away . renee. going to go away. renee. >> well, if you start to silence people now, which is what they're doing very cleverly and very effectively, because if you only need to look at social media now and to, you know, anyone, you know who previously would have been outspoken to know that people are censoring themselves on this topic because they have been scared by this, waving a flag near a mosque, going to prison, putting something on facebook that was horrific. what that woman who

went to prison put on facebook was horrific. nobody should condone violence or damaging anyone. but should she have gone to prison when paedophiles walked free? >> and she's a carer? >> and she's a carer? >> she's a carer for her ill husband. so the problem that we have is, is that people are feeling so suppressed that it's just going to create more bubble from under the lid until eventually the saucepan explodes. >> so practically the prisons are full aren't they. >> yeah they are yeah. >> yeah they are yeah. >> why are we doing. what do you have the space for these people. well you do if you let out paedophiles right. >> yeah. or let off paedophiles. yeah. >> yeah i don't bother sending them in the first place. >> and which, which did happen earlier this week and a lot of viewers contact me and say i'm absolutely irate. i can't believe this is happening. but dame andrea mary larkin says that that's one thing boris has got right. as in this column today. now, do you think one thing he got wrong or one thing the conservatives got wrong, was not building enough prison capacity for example? >> i mean, we could have built more without a doubt. but i

think the key thing is we should have locked up criminals . and i have locked up criminals. and i think it's beyond government, though. darren which the problem is, i mean, in my brief time as a minister, even the civil service we've seen at universities, it's every level of the public sector where we're seeing this wokeness and silencing of free speech. and so i think it's beyond government because i think we need to reform the civil service, darren, and have an american system where the top levels so you can get your legislation through. so you're not being called a bully for actually challenging the civil servants. i think that is one of the major problems that we need to change. >> yes. now, nicky, bringing you in, grumpy granddad in our comments says who i love. he is one of my favourites. he's always commenting people . he always commenting people. he says people getting locked away for waving an england flag in their own nation. kill stalin is going too far. he might have a big majority in parliament, but he doesn't have a big majority in the real world. do you think he's losing the british public?

>> well, let's start at the beginning with the legal term irregular that has been shifted to irregular. if you get on a boat and arrive in another country, that in itself is not illegal. what is illegal is whether you have the appropriate background to stay in that country. right? so if you are a legitimate refugee, you aren't and never will be illegal. if you if you're not processed and you've got no claim, then you'll be sent back. right? so it's the definition is to do with the travel through the water. >> so how many have been sent back? >> three, apparently to rwanda. not very many. but that's you can't really blame that on a new government that that 14 years of tory rule pretty much, you know, filled up the country because they didn't take control of immigration, because the home office was in such a catastrophic state from the time of theresa may. but labour are about to say to 100,000 almost people that have arrived here illegally. >> and i will continue to use that word. but it's right that's wrong. >> under international law, it

is the un. >> in the 1971 immigration act, it says that if you do not turn up to this country with the proper papers to actually say, you have a right to be here, like a visa, etc, literally where you draw the line and where you draw the line and where you draw the line and where you cross the water. >> i draw a line at the water at the border and you could say, well, maybe you just need to shift it forward into the sea because that's the only difference. we're literally talking about that. >> i would shift it to france and leave it there. >> oh, completely. darren, if you lived in this country under stalin's stalinist conditions, actual, actual stalinist conditions, you would do anything to seek refuge somewhere else. you would do anything to protect your family. and if you were in france, when people get on boats and decide to land somewhere, they do it out of desperation, mainly economic migrants. >> you see them with an apple iphone cindy yu and it's usually young blokes, isn't it? yeah people have apple iphones everywhere in the world. many young blokes though, isn't it? yes. >> and that's the point that i do agree with you on that. we should pause. all young, single young men being allowed in and only let women and children in. >> oh, but there aren't that there aren't any of those. well,

there aren't any of those. well, there aren't any of those. well, there are plenty are. >> they're all stuck back at home not being looked after because the men are on the boat. >> you can't send them back. where are you gonna send it to? you don't know where they've come from. >> don't send what? sorry, i didn't hear what you said. >> right. so these young men who you think should not be in the country, just agreed that. >> well, we don't know. we don't know if they've got. we've got them. we don't know if they've got a legal claim or not. until you process them, you can't process them if they throw away their documents and that's where they deliberately. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> but that's fine. if they deliberately have no evidence that they are, they've got a legal right to stay in the country. fine. send them back. >> but they should have stayed in france, though. but they're still human. >> nature is to try and survive no matter what your condition. and you've got to accept that you if you were living under. >> but we're soft touch britain, so the swarming here, you thought you were living in conditions that were terrible for you and your future. >> you would take a chance. i would quite like to live in america, but they won't let me. >> well, they won't let me ehhen >> i've been kicked out of america and australia, where all my family live. i can't get a visa to be with my family. i mean, it's just the world.

>> christine says. get nicky to answer that question. if they have no papers, no documents whatsoever, and they say they turn up and they say, well, i'm from afghanistan, right? you've got i was a translator for the british army. >> how the hell? very easy to check out, though. how? because we've got so much information available to us through authorities. if somebody has had authorities. if somebody has had a legitimate job, right, in a in a legitimate job, right, in a in a ministry, you can check that within half an hour. you just get on the phone. so we can ring the taliban and say, excuse me, but that's what i'm saying. if they've got a legitimate, a legitimate reason, you'll be able to find that out extremely quickly. nick, it's too hard to prove. >> too hard to prove. >> too hard to prove. >> cuckoo land . >> cuckoo land. >> cuckoo land. >> why do we have the internet if it's not for connecting the whole taliban aren't sat there on the internet, aren't they? so you're presuming the majority of single young men that come to this country are terrorists? >> no, no, they're economic migrants . economic migrants. migrants. economic migrants. >> they will be terrorists among them. >> yes. well there's terrorists. there are home—grown terrorists. there are home—grown terrorists. the problem in this country is second generation. but the home—grown terrorists, we actually know something about we know. >> well, we don't. >> well, we don't. >> that's the whole point about we don't know about them, so we

don't know about them. but the majority of the people coming in from france, we know i said we can find out if we could be bothered. the home office has got this insane backlog of applications to process. it's not fit for purpose. it's never been fit for purpose. ever since theresa may got her hands on it. and that's the issue. so this is the legacy of the tories mismanagement. it's not right on. >> hang on. we have to let andrea answer that. >> that was is actually the home office civil servants. i mean i've actually asked the prime minister, i said that i want to ensure that, that the crime stats in the uk is published per nationality, because i think that's important . it's not not that's important. it's not not not all of it. not all of it. no no, no it's not, it's not. and i think we need to know where we should not be importing crime and criminals into our country. so we need stringent checks and we shouldn't let them leave france. >> actually, i think we need to stop. >> back to darren's point. we're not even allowed to discuss this now. so if we ask what happened in the discussion, you can't say that at the moment.

>> at the moment, every day , >> at the moment, every day, people are not allowed now on social media in their whatsapp groups to discuss their fears, their genuine fears, which is completely legitimate. >> but the other thing i would say is being married to an immigrant with a mixed race child, and all my family are muslim. please think about the real world repercussions on people. when you talk down about immigrants because it affects everyday lives, right? >> we'll have to leave that. there would have been plenty to come back on, but right. who's up next? it's adam cherry . adam, up next? it's adam cherry. adam, take it away, my friend. >> right. i'm afraid we're going to be talking about the. cast your mind back to the general election and the general election and the general election campaign. it might feel like an eternity ago, but what was the big mantra of the labour government or. well the labour party at that time, change, right? the era of sleaze and cronyism and cronyism that was oven cronyism and cronyism that was over. labour was going to come in, keir starmer roll up his sleeves and we're in the sunlit uplands of a labour government. what do we actually have happening now? right. let me just read you a couple of names.

jess, sergeant ian caulfield, emily middleton. now, you might not know who they are, but i guarantee you labour does, right? these people have been donating money to the labour to the labour campaign. they are well embedded in the in the network, the spad network. they are insiders and now they have massive jobs at the top of the civil service. all of them. some of them are director generals. right. how have they ended up there? is it because of their merits, or is it because they know the right person? they've sent the right guy, the right check for the right amount? and now here they are making decisions over propriety and ethics when they're supposed to be completely impartial. what i see here is a completely undermining of the civil service impartiality. and it's the exact thing that labour said would not happen when they were elected. and it's taken a month . yeah. so and it's taken a month. yeah. so i think i think it reeks of cronyism and sleaze. no it does. >> i agree with you. it does. and actually the, you know, the vetting committee said, well, we haven't heard anything about it. we didn't know anything about these donations. and you just

have to say, well, hang on a minute. the labour party said that they were going to clean up the tory act that had just been here for over a decade, and now, well , they're just as culpable well, they're just as culpable as they said. the tories were. >> and alongside that, they've got sue gray in the biggest position of power that anyone could have in that government. campaigning for her own little pet project in ireland against sir keir starmer, against or his son, who's now in, in government. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, andrew, what do you make of that? because you've got a lot to say about the civil service. but is this, is this labour? do you know ? actually labour? do you know? actually i would adam i would argue that actually maybe, maybe the tories just should have done this. maybe they should have just said, well, to hell with the system. and being a bit more robust and maybe then it'll be interesting to hear. >> but while as conservatives, you know, we tend to follow the rules a lot more, don't they? i mean, we are not hypocrites like laboun mean, we are not hypocrites like labour. we're not hypocrites like labour, where we do as i say, not as i do. and i think you're right, renee actually,

sue, sue gray is at the heart of this, and we saw her part in, helping to bring boris down, and she was drafted in and she should not have been allowed to leave her civil service job and go to, be chief of staff for keir starmer when he was leader of the opposition investigation, exactly when he was leader of the opposition in the first place. so it shows you what standards that she plays by darren. so i think it stinks and i think fair play to those who's actually, highlighting this like yourself adam because we cannot let this rest. >> nicky you'll be voting conservative at the next election. >> it must be appalling. i'm really. >> i've just got to say, fascinating point about sue gray is that she ran a pub in ireland dunng is that she ran a pub in ireland during the troubles. so i've always just presumed she's an ex—spy. hasn't everyone ? i mean, ex—spy. hasn't everyone? i mean, just a mild theory, just a mild theory there. but i mean, look, theory there. but i mean, look, the thing is about the civil service, we've got to have a different criteria for what kinds of decisions they make and what we know about their background and their own personal politics. we have to do

that because there's no confidence in them at the minute, because of because of the tory government. so labour has to set an even higher standard, not worse. but but also i'm saying what i'm agreeing with you. i'm saying what needs to happen. i actually agree there's also issues, darren, in the fact that this partners of high profile people in the media, are in the senior roles of the civil service, and we saw lots of leaks in the last, you know, ten, 12 years of in the conservative government leaked from cabinet meetings, etc. >> so i called for this previously as well. we need to actually see the relationships with the media, with those in the civil service because we cannot have these leaks happening in the story with this labour together woman. >> so this is just sergeant. >> so this is just sergeant. >> sergeant. yeah. so she's now the deputy director of, propriety and constitution group . propriety and constitution group. but yeah. so she's vetting ethics essentially. and it's interesting you bring up sue gray, right. because that is the department. yes. she belongs to. so it's the same it's the same thing. so she'll have access to

privileged material. she'll know she'll have, you know, a real insight into into where the skeletons are. >> worked for a party affiliated. yeah. doing that job. yeah. >> it's unbelievable. >> it's unbelievable. >> and that's banana republic territory. you also have ian caulfield, who, according to the times, who's a banker who donated thousands to reeves personally to and labour time, say the treasury weren't even told of his donation. >> and he's now in the treasury as one of the most senior people. >> isn't even that big a donation to get such an important. >> what constitutes big? >> what constitutes big? >> well, thousands. >> well, thousands. >> but we also saw it. darren, all right. we're going to have to leave that one there, right. >> still to come tonight. renee picks up the realities of ed miliband's pet net zero agenda. i can't say pet any more. renee and what it really means for our energy bills. and andrew takes two chris o'shea to task over law and order, and nicky raises the important issue of women's safety when using dating with the saturday five live on

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already broken promises that are going to cause that . so in the going to cause that. so in the election, labour were very clear that when they came into power, they would reduce our energy bills by £300 a year, which is brilliant, isn't it? apart from the fact that actually they're going to increase by £150, and if you're one of the pensioners who've had their winter fuel allowance stolen, that will be 500. just 500. another potential potentially fatal lie. so yesterday they rolled out ed miliband to talk to us about why it was happening and show some empathy. and he said he really understands that families will be worried this winter. he doesn't understand. of course he doesn't. none of them do. what he did is he tried to explain why energy bills would be higher, and he blamed ukraine, and he blamed the last tory government, of course. but what he didn't do was talk about the effect that net zero subsidies are having on our bills and this this crazy rush to net zero at breakneck speed. come whatever may. and this is the nub. bills are high because we are paying

for the renewables race with the subsidies that are put on bills. and if you don't use any energy, you still get a great big bill because you've got to pay for it. miliband has been described in unherd this week as german because he's not learning from the 14 years of failed net zero policies in germany that have not increased or decreased their bills at all. but it has completely de—industrialized germany and got rid of all of the jobs that go with it. they stopped fracking and made themselves really susceptible and not energy secure. so what have we done, miliband? well, we've actually stopped any new oil licences so that we can't get any oil out of the sea and make ourselves sustainable. basically, this net zero monster is a cult and labour are completely embedded in it and they don't care about us. >> i say miliband will make britain moribund. that's what he's going to do now. i think we've only got a couple of

minutes on this debate, so i'm going to rattle through. but nikki, do you want to take us away on what renee said and offer some, pro greenery takes? >> well, i feel sorry for ed miliband because he was the one that was meant to roll out the great green british energy policy that was cancelled just at the last minute before the election. if you remember, i actually feel that i agree entirely that we are moving too quickly with net zero. all you have to look at is what happened at port talbot and the fact that keir starmer did not turn up and the business owners themselves were saying, we will, we can roll out slower and we can keep jobsif roll out slower and we can keep jobs if we just, you know, slow it down a little bit. but you have to accept that if you want a for world your children and your grandchildren to be able to live in net zero, net zero is necessary. and actually we're going to even have more economic migration under , you know, migration under, you know, migrants coming to this country because their lands are full of water. >> but for the last 22 years that we've been installing renewables , 17 of those renewables, 17 of those electricity prices have gone up. it doesn't work. it's not zero.

it's a way to control people with greedy energy companies . with greedy energy companies. >> labour's got the power to put to put a cap on. >> it'sjust to put a cap on. >> it's just a way to tax people. i'm a conservative. i believe that people should choose how to heat their homes and how to what cars to drive. >> so adam, the problem is right, labour are going to ensure that the oil and gas that we already have in the north sea, an oil and gas that we're going to need for years and years and years to come, well, it's going to leave even the ones that are currently operating with licences, they're going to say the market is too. >> well, people like suggesting that, you know, we should just put a cap on all of it. >> it'sjust put a cap on all of it. >> it's just not viable to. >> it's just not viable to. >> but it's about the pace of change. all you do is you redeploy the people that are working in those industries into renewables. it's about it's about yes . about yes. >> so you lose those jobs in the short term. and also you don't lose them. >> you just move them through training. >> and then and then we just end up importing it anyway. we end up importing it anyway. we end up importing. so we're just we're sacrificing our energy independence for what i don't know. >> they're all they're all unemployed. and i made that point. i don't think i made i say, let's start fracking. >> and let's get the prices down

for the consumer. >> saudi arabia, why would they not set up solar panels and use that? and become the solar panel leader of the world? we can't do that in renee or blighty. you know, why the hell would china not have an advantage over actually being able to manufacture this green steel that people keep speaking about when they have got energy prices that are cheap as chips? none of it makes sense. >> and they're making all of our solar panels. yeah, exactly. >> yeah. and guess what? you have to replace these things. but i'm going to have to move on. we're running out of time. i beg your pardon? all right. keep sending in your questions to us for ask the five gbnews.com/yoursay and all your comments still to come tonight in the bunch of five, we're going to everything from bog snorkelling to hugh grant flirting. oh, to hugh grant to flirting. oh, to hugh grant to flirting with your colleagues. not hugh grant flirting with your colleagues. that would be quite the exclusive and andrea takes two. take her to task over law and order. and next, nikki raises the important issue of women's safety when using dating apps. what are the predicaments

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stuff when we're talking about terrible things that happen to women on dating apps. now, dating apps themselves are not to blame . there was something to blame. there was something called the red barn murder in 1828, which set the precedent for women being murdered when they'd been met for dates. but they'd been met for dates. but the issue is, if tech is so sophisticated, why is it also not the solution to misogyny, violence against women ? violence against women? >> wow. i mean, i'm kind of lost for words because i agree with you, but i'm trying to think in my head how i can possibly make tech.is my head how i can possibly make tech. is it because people hide their id when they go on there? >> so this is one of the problems. so people are loathe to use id verification for obvious reasons. but what to use id verification for obvious reasons . but what we've obvious reasons. but what we've doneis obvious reasons. but what we've done is premise freedom over safety in particular when it comes to women . so actually, now comes to women. so actually, now that we have blockchain technology , if you know anything technology, if you know anything about that, where, you know, data is encrypted and you can never see what is actually held anywhere, that would be the perfect way to store id verification. and that will go some way to stopping murders like these.

>> but i thought that they do how. >> now. >> do apps like they use very they use id verification, which is different. they don't actually ask for your passport or, you know, a national document. so what they do is they check you out on social media and your links to other people. and your work email address, for example. but those things can be quite easily fabricated. a passport can't be. >> well then fine , let's do >> well then fine, let's do that. yeah. >> so as much as i am, you know, a freedom fighter and think that we should try and avoid all kinds of, you know, passes, as it were, for things, i do think, i think even on social media, you should have to somehow prove who you are before you go on. there so you can't you can't troll someone anonymously. >> and to create accountability. >> and to create accountability. >> yeah. the same for, dating apps, of course. i would want to know who i'm meeting. >> pull you up on that. what would what would you say to a whistleblower then who goes on x and says, when adam was at dougie beattie four fs, i've got to tell adam about this. i anonymously. yeah. >> i don't think you should have to have your name on social media out there, but i think blockchain behind the scenes, you should have had to prove who you should have had to prove who

you are. so if you do threaten to kill someone, you can be traced. >> but my issue is actually darren is how can you protect people from psychopaths, narcissists and murderers ? narcissists and murderers? because, you know, there might never have committed this before. there might be some sick, sick fantasists. and how do you protect people? i think it's impossible. how do you police it? >> but one of the things we have to tackle is misogyny. the root cause of all this is misogyny. and misogyny is everywhere in many ways. we have the dating apps we deserve because we have not figured out how to protect. >> do you agree with labour that actually you ought to. it ought to be part of sort of counter—terror legislation where actually you say misogyny and violence against women should be seen as extremism . seen as extremism. >> yes, i do, no. >> so i think that's crazy. i think i really do. >> on what basis, on the basis that misogyny is misogyny. >> we have laws against it. >> we have laws against it. >> 2% of rapes end up in convictions. but that's not 1 in 4. 1 in 4 women convictions. but that's not 1 in 4.1 in 4 women are convictions. but that's not 1 in 4. 1 in 4 women are sexually abused or raped in their lifetime. that is a fundamental problem that we should be catching those and prosecuting not only articulate her point, but that's not to do with the

fact that we don't have strong enough laws. >> it's that we are not somehow policing it and taking people to court , and the cps are not doing court, and the cps are not doing their job. court, and the cps are not doing theirjob. that's court, and the cps are not doing their job. that's what we need to sort out. you know, it's not it's not because we're not calling it extremism, but it is extremism. >> i mean , it's complete hatred >> i mean, it's complete hatred of making an illegal thing more illegal. if the idea of the idea behind it is to try and stop people from doing it. >> of course, no one here is going to disagree with that. no absolutely. >> well, hang on, if i say renee get you selling. no, no no no no no. 110. >> no. >> but what i'm saying, what i'm saying is i wouldn't say that, by the way, no one here would disagree that the ultimate goal here is to stop people being put in harm's way. obviously. absolutely. so you know, it's just why don't we just enforce the laws we already have rather than saying that misogyny is terrorism or something? >> well, andrea phillips got an idea because he says if we if these online websites promoting dating were not allowed, then the pubs would be popular again. >> people used to me, darren, i'm 50 and single again and i would not use a dating app . would not use a dating app. >> i would not use a dating app.

i think good old fashioned. no, i think good old fashioned. no, i wouldn't use a dating app. i think the why ? why? because, think the why? why? because, well, you don't know who you're meeting. it's the safety aspect and but but also, would you be more minded to go on? no, no, i like the good old fashioned way where you meet people in a pub or you meet people through work, actually, and you can trust your gut then. yeah, absolutely. >> nikki, are you aware of a young lady called freya india? no. so she's got a substack called girls. check it out. she's a really interesting young woman. she actually recently in a really lovely podcast, said all i wanted to do was go down the pub and meet a bloke and fall in love. but as a young girl now i've got no option but to swipe right, swipe right, swipe right. it's so false. so i think, you know, i think your viewer is right. get rid of them and let's go back to old fashioned meeting people. >> i couldn't agree more. i wrote a book on the history of dating, which was all to do with how people met before tinder, and it worked much more effectively. >> just thinking out loud. if you had id verification on tinder or whatever and you had

to give your passport, is that not in a way safer than meeting some stranger in a pub who can say they're not someone who they, you know, the safety argument doesn't actually work in the other way, but you don't have the body language and the other thing. yeah, yeah, i get all that. >> you get the instinct for people as well, don't you? you do get it. >> nikki, here's a question. jill says, what about misandry? should we make that, extremism as well? yeah, absolutely . as well? yeah, absolutely. >> you've got to parity. >> you've got to parity. >> is any of this going to stop a rapist from raping? it's not. >> it'll stop some people who are very confused about consent doing things that they shouldn't under the influence, because it will make people think twice. should we not? and that is a huge amount of the rape cases that actually currently reach court. >> an important question though, because we were talking earlier about identification. right. and the lack of identification. you are precluding and discriminating against illegal migrants. they can't use your apps >> isn't it terrible? well, not if they're registered in a different country, because the different country, because the different versions of tinder have different deals. >> all right. well, we'll leave that there. >> thank you very much, nikki. now, still to come tonight we're

going to go head to head in the saturday scrap . and in the bunch saturday scrap. and in the bunch of five, we've got everything from bog snorkelling to hugh grant flirting. no i've done that to hugh grant. two that i would argue that's not written very well to flirting with your colleagues. but next, andrea takes two techie to task over law and order. you're with the saturday five live on gb news

welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for all of your emails about tonight's topics. one viewer says it doesn't really matter whether you meet online or in the pub. some people aren't trustworthy and that

needs addressing . philip says needs addressing. philip says office flirtations, two marriages down. i would not encourage it . encourage it. >> paul. >> paul. >> philip. maybe you're just bad at it . philip. at it. philip. >> oh, poor phil, poor phil. >> oh, poor phil, poor phil. >> well, dame andrea, you had an office flirtation. you married him. >> yes i did, yeah. >> yes i did, yeah. >> you married him? not the same man. >> to be clear, i won't be weird. but we did. >> to be clear, i won't be weird. but we did . yeah. weird. but we did. yeah. >> all right, it's time for our next debate. there's only one person left, so by process of elimination, it is indeed. dame andrea jenkins. take it away. >> thank you. darren has two tekamah rode roughshod over the magna carta. now, yesterday, the free speech union wrote to the home secretary, yvette cooper, and as did the conservative post as well, over the appalling tweet that the home office put out on x, which stated over a thousand people have been arrested and the home office

called them criminals. now under magna carta, surely everybody is equal under the rule of law. some of these people have not been charged, some have pleaded not guilty, and some are awaiting trial . now, the magna awaiting trial. now, the magna carta guaranteed that the law appued carta guaranteed that the law applied equally to everybody, but no scruple. starmer, who is a human rights lawyer , clearly a human rights lawyer, clearly doesn't believe that all people are equal under the rule of law. he is discounting our centuries old magna carta that made britain the once envied democracy of the world. now, other points we need to look at as well. darren is the labour hypocrisy. now they put out misleading posters last year saying that rishi sunak doesn't think that convicted criminals of sexually assaulting children should go to prison. yet look at how even the left wing guardian has reported in the last few

days that high risk offenders , days that high risk offenders, including a domestic abuser who poses as a risk to children, has been freed under the government's new rules of early release. now, a watchdog has revealed that labour is releasing sex offenders early to make room for prisoners who tweet something that they disagree with. this is so wrong to me, darren and another thing to me, darren and another thing to note as well actually, is the conservatives had a slogan in 2010 looking at gordon brown's history in government, and it actually warned that brown had been releasing people early. so i also asked darren, is keir actually the to gordon brown? >> well, i mean that's something you don't want to be. i almost burst out laughing during that, not because it wasn't serious. it was very serious. andrew well done. but philip said, i've never flirted with hugh grant. can i? >> and but on the substance of

what andrew says, there is anyone on the panel of the view of, well , you know, tories had of, well, you know, tories had 14 years in power. >> look, there is no doubt that the last 14 years that the tories had, they made a shambles of had this discussion with someone in the week that doesn't mean we need to go to an even worse shambles . and we have gone worse shambles. and we have gone to an even worse shambles and we've gone to what looks like a very authoritarian shambles. who do not want dissent from the people who do not want free speech. and that, for me is the biggest worry and it's demonstrated by this tweet. the home office should not be on twitter. you know, doing anything like this, let alone putting in jeopardy. the trials, the fair trials of people who are pleading not guilty to these crimes in the future. and that is what they have done. >> yes, adam, a lot of people are saying, i think the labour party have turned out to be far worse than i could ever have anticipated. a lot of people in the comment section, i mean, is

that something a sentiment you're hearing? >> i think they're doing a lot of this unpopular stuff early because they've calculated that they might as well do this now, get tax cuts in a couple of years time. >> well, probably happen now with the election. actually let's see, not just me, to be clear. >> yeah, but look, the point is, they know this is not going to go down well, but they have a massive majority. they only won a month ago. they're not going to be punished for it in 4 or 4 and a half years. that's what i guessis and a half years. that's what i guess is majority though on a very slim vulture. >> right. true, true. >> right. true, true. >> but i still think by the time the gamble is in four years, it will have paid off in some way and they won't have to worry about that. so i think that's what's going on here. and it will continue. for what? another. all right. >> come on then, nicky. what have you got to say about. i agree with adam actually had to say. i mean, look, there's a difference between protest and rioting and violent racism, but there also is the rule of law. >> and i completely agree that nobody should be called a criminal until they've been tried and convicted. that is just standard the presumption of innocence. absolutely. that's how we have to work on that

bedrock. but, you know, the one thing i would say about prisons is, do you know what happens when prisons get overcrowded? they have these terribly violent riots where prison staff themselves, who are basically themselves, who are basically the fourth emergency service , the fourth emergency service, are hurt, maimed , killed. i know are hurt, maimed, killed. i know are hurt, maimed, killed. i know a lot about prisons. i've been in many not not on a conviction, but to visit them to and research about them. but it's the tories legacy of not building enough prisons. >> well, send them to rwanda. >> well, send them to rwanda. >> yes. oh yes. >> and if you like that now, anne marie has a question, nikki. she says andrea is spot on, but starmer should be charged for the campaign. misleading poster under his own rules around disinformation. but if we ever need proof, some are definitely more equal than others. in this case, are you worried that we are becoming a two tier britain under two tier? >> keir i'm not worried about that yet. i need more evidence. i know you think you've got all the evidence. >> well, andrea. come on. >> well, andrea. come on. >> but i do. i do completely agree with with adam. they are getting the difficult stuff out of the way while they have hold

of the way while they have hold of the way while they have hold of the voters. >> i think that's really weird to say, actually. sorry, adam, because they couldn't have predicted the riots. >> and that's not true. actually, they had some intelligence. they had some intelligence. they had some intelligence about people's behaviour online and what that might lead to before they came into power. >> they couldn't have predicted that just a few weeks after they came into power, this would have happened because they couldn't have predicted what happened to those poor young girls who were stabbed. so i don't think they anticipated this being the start of their reign. i think they've gone down so hard on this that they are setting the line for their future reign. >> but we also saw in leeds, which was named my constituency when the travellers community was setting to fire buses and they didn't arrest people immediately. you know, it was in the early hours of the morning they started arresting people. >> it can't have just been the travellers community though, because there were loads of people there. >> there were people that joined later. >> no, but there's yes, absolutely. >> but we also had just quick sorry, just on the point i was making, it really was on the other side of things, which is on the prison overcrowding. >> right. so they could have seen that coming and they knew

that was i mean, that's actually what might come to this later. that's one of the reasons why rishi wanted to go early, because he could see that coming down the track. >> yes. >> yes. >> now we've got, we've only got a couple of, 30s or so left. but, nikki, really quickly, i'm wondering, do you think actually the ultimately this quest to quell disinformation post the riots, it's just going to backfire, as we've already identified someone's missed one person's disinformation is another person's truth, and fact. >> well, then the whole point of is that we need to be educated better. we need to be able to discern between what are the facts and what are the fiction. and we need to teach children. earlier on critical thinking skills. >> nikki, who gets to decide what is the disinformation? >> as a society, we have to all decide that together, that keir starmer thinks everything that i say that andrew says is disinformation. he probably thinks most of what i say is, oh, well, right. >> we've got loads more coming up tonight, including a wedding mishap, boris versus liz and don't forget to send your questions in. we'll be answering those shortly. shortly, shortly with gb news andrew long .

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long. i profusely apologise. for now i have a coffee here and i'm going to drink it. and i promise i'll be much better after i've had that. it's time for your news headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> darren, thank you very much. and good evening. the top stories this hour in germany, a 15 year old has been detained in a possible connection to the stabbing spree last night that left three people dead and several injured . the person is several injured. the person is not the main suspect, but is alleged to have known about the attack beforehand . german attack beforehand. german officials say they don't have a motive yet , but they can't rule motive yet, but they can't rule out terrorism. german police officials also say the attacker targeted victims throats . a targeted victims throats. a major manhunt continues for the unidentified knife attacker in western germany. five of those wounded are in a life threatening condition after a man is said to have begun attacking passers—by at random in a market square. german

chancellor olaf scholz has called the attack a horrific act . called the attack a horrific act. a manslaughter investigation has begun into the sinking of a superyacht in sicily, where british tech tycoon mike lynch and his teenage daughter hannah, lost their lives. italian authorities say the investigation is in its initial stages and they are not currently looking at anyone specifically. however, prosecutors do believe offences were committed, possibly involving the captain , crew, involving the captain, crew, shipbuilders or others. the luxury yacht landed on its right hand side, but all of the bodies were found in a cabin on the left. detectives warn it may take months to unravel the incident . former footballer and incident. former footballer and tv presenter jermaine jenas has apologised after sending inappropriate messages to two female colleagues. jenas has been sacked as a pundit and presenter by the bbc, but maintains he's done nothing illegal. he also argued the messages were with two consenting adults. the 41 year old, who has been married for 13

years, told the sun newspaper he's let down his family, friends, colleagues and the women involved. he says he's now seeking help . well, pressure is seeking help. well, pressure is growing on the government to overturn plans to scrap the winter fuel payment. pensioners who don't receive pension credits or other benefits will miss out on up to £300 of support. it comes after the regulator, ofgem, put up the price cap , regulator, ofgem, put up the price cap, meaning the average annual energy bill will rise by £149 from october. former prime minister rishi sunak has backed proposals for a commons vote, and nasa has announced the two astronauts stranded on the international space station will return to earth on spacex in february next year. the spacex founder is, of course, elon musk. pilot sunita williams and commander barry wilmore blasted off in boeing's new spacecraft in june and were meant to stay in june and were meant to stay in orbit for eight days after docking on the es. however,

problems with the starliner's propulsion system mean that nasa astronauts return to earth has been repeatedly delayed. they've now been there for more than two months. nasa administrator bill nelson said at a press conference this evening. a manned flight would be too dangerous. starliner will now return to earth unmanned while the two astronauts are set to return in february on a spacex crew dragon spacecraft, which is due to launch next month as part of a routine astronaut rotation mission . and those are the mission. and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in an hour. >> for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. forward slash alerts . gbnews.com. forward slash alerts. >> well, that went down a treat . >> well, that went down a treat. it's saturday night, my friends,

and you're with the saturday five. there was gin in it. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for a very lively hour before we crack on with tonight's interview, jrm has written in and said, what should renee on another channel this morning? came home and she's on again, but this time gbbn. nice surprise. why are you watching other channels? jrm is that jacob rees—mogg? >> oh, i hope so. >> the scandal, the scandal. anyway, we're going to crack on with tonight's big interview. we're not. i'm going to read out another comment, actually, which starliner? the nasa thing called starliner? the nasa thing called starliner . i've just realised starliner. i've just realised starliner. i've just realised starliner as in starmer stalin. and i thought oh and they've obviously been naughty. >> so they're keeping him up in space. >> they're keeping them up in space. >> you know boris johnson wrote the other week that sir keir starmer needs to go on holiday to actually refresh his memory, and he needed to feel the sand between his toes. >> look out to sea. >> i would like sir keir starmer

to go on a holiday in the last five years and go to space. >> no doubt. >> no doubt. >> yeah, and if it's in space, i don't mind . don't mind. >> no, i don't mind either. >> no, i don't mind either. >> you know, i would never wish anyone. >> but can he take rachel with him to. >> well. >> well. >> and miss rayner, you know, i'd prefer ed miliband go than, than rachel reeves. >> and he does fly everywhere on private jets, ed miliband. so perhaps he could host. >> he gets the train to doncaster with me. i've sat next to him loads of times. >> well, he has been. >> well, he has been. >> can he really eat a sandwich? if you've been sat next to him? >> he wasn't trying to eat his own. >> speaking of ed miliband, we're going to talk about this this week. the energy regulator ofgem raised the energy price cap by a whopping 10%. now that, of course, means that families will see their bills soar by £150 this autumn . a canny bit of £150 this autumn. a canny bit of money, isn't it? and energy secretary ed miliband says that this is all very worrying, says the green zealot . and he's the green zealot. and he's blamed the previous government. yet this is the same ed miliband who immediately banned all new

drilling in the north sea as as soon as he got in and got his ministerial red box, and now he's aggressively pursuing a radical net zero agenda. is greta thunberg, her special advisor. and at a time when brits face a massive squeeze on their wallets and that's before rachel reeves thieves. is miliband making a serious problem? even worse? well, i'm joined now by assistant professor of international relations ralph schollhammer, who wrote about this in unherd, which we all like of course, ralph, come on, tell us about the german example and the path that the greens took germany down and what happened as consequence. >> well, darren, guys, thanks so much for having me. well, it's ironic, isn't it? renewables seem to be the gift that never gives. and >> oh, ralph has crashed there. >> oh, ralph has crashed there. >> ralph has crashed. we'll come back to ralph. we'll get a signal back up. >> ralph was the gift that

stopped giving . stopped giving. >> well, i think ralph's gone off because we are such a low energy economy now. >> no thanks to pull it back. >> no thanks to pull it back. >> yeah, so i'm blaming ed miliband, nicky, before he comes back on defend. ed miliband and ed miliband . ed miliband. >> well, it wasn't his fault that this british green energy plan was scrapped, was it? i thought that was quite. that was something people could get behind if you create, you know, jobs in this country for people and we make our we become energy efficient on this island, which we are. but it's all just hot air. well it wasn't it was mapped out, but they pulled the plan because they didn't have enough money. they decided that's what they were going to cut first. >> yeah, because but it's going to cost us £1 trillion. you know, going for this at least, at least at least a trillion. >> but i don't disagree with you on the pace, the pace that we need to go. we need to take people with us. you don't take anybody. i would like to be long dead. >> completely. >> completely. >> yes. it is his fault. in fact, i know we need to scrap it completely. >> can't keep digging up oil forever. >> why? well, we could build.

>> why? well, we could build. >> we could build nuclear power stations. which, to be fair, the coalition will find out. >> nicky. why? because the greens did this in germany. and i've got just the man. ralph is back. there we are. take it away, my friend . away, my friend. >> oh, no. »- >> oh, no. >> oh, no. >> oh, no, no, i can't hear him. >> oh, no, no, i can't hear him. >> oh, oh, he might be there. >> oh, oh, he might be there. >> oh, oh, he might be there. >> oh, okay, i think i think i'm backi >> oh, okay, i think i think i'm back i think i should be back. okay it was miliband. >> it was ed miliband. take it away . away. >> no, just just i mean, we know the numbers, right? i mean, this is the frustrating part of this story, which is that you saw in, in germany, you saw it in the uk. oil production in the uk peaked in 2000, basically as fossil fuel production went down, british energy bills went up. we don't have a single case throughout the entire world where renewables brought down energy costs. i mean, you can tweak the numbers if you say that hydro counts as renewables, but as you know, you know, the topography of great britain, you pretty much have done everything you can do when it comes to hydro. we know that nuclear can help. as one of your members

just said. and of course , the just said. and of course, the most important thing is natural gas. what the current government in the uk is saying that natural gas is responsible for the high pncesis gas is responsible for the high prices is not true. and i want to give you a quick example. if you go all in responsibly, in natural gas like the united states did, you can actually have a manufacturing renaissance. and this is what you see happening. why do you think elon musk goes to taxes? why do you think that yield packard went to texas. they didn't go there because the weather is much nicer than in california. they went there because due to the gas abundance, they have very, very cheap energy. and the united kingdom would sit on the same kind of reserves and you have now a minister for i think the orwellian title is net zero and energy security. i mean , energy security. i mean, basically net zero and energy security are an oxymoron . there security are an oxymoron. there are different things. and this is the problem, right? you could have lower energy bills if you would just drill for the resources you have. but the government decided not to do it. in a way, what you see is what james lindsay calls the iron law of woke projection . so of woke projection. so everything the left is accusing the right of, you know, you make things more expensive. you don't

know how to do energy. energy policy is precisely what they do themselves . themselves. >> so bearing that in mind, then it basically feels, ralph, that this is inevitable, that this is something that is going to happen to us because the uniparty has decided that actually, that is what ought to happen. now, a lot of us feel utterly powerless to actually do anything about this. so i mean, given the german example, are you telling us that we're just in for one hell of a world of pain and the wants leading economy in the world is about to become an international pariah, thanks to the fact that it's just immiserated all the people in it. >> no, that is precisely what i'm telling you. and again, we have the numbers for this. if you look at solar power in the united kingdom, you guys are worse situated for solar power than the germans are. i mean, the idea that you want to use the idea that you want to use the sun as your main energy source in great britain, right? the dingy, rainy island of the off the coast of normandy is absurd, if you even talk about

it. you guys are not saudi arabia. you guys are not in nonh arabia. you guys are not in north africa. we know the so—called capacity factor. i don't want to get too technical, but i think in this case it is it is appropriate, which means what amount of time does giving the climate conditions in britain the weather conditions? does the solar panel actually produce energy? it's 10%, right? that's something. if you have a solar panel, but it's only 10% of the time that actually produce energy, because you guys don't have sun, just like the germans don't have sun. so you don't have the decision. you have to keep fossil fuels, natural gas, coal. you basically have to keep it running in parallel because you never know when the sun is going to shine. i know, i know now people say batteries, batteries, but batteries, batteries, but batteries don't produce energy. what they do is they store energy. so if you charge those batteries, you still lack the energy somewhere else. and again, we have tried this in germany . we tried it in denmark, germany. we tried it in denmark, we tried it in austria, we tried it in california. everywhere where we tried the all in on renewables policy, it failed. it is so absurd. kind of you know, there's this famous saying that einstein supposedly said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over

again and hoping for different results. some people would say, this is also how you get practice, but we are now getting practice, but we are now getting practice in how to commit economic suicide. yes. why? the british are hell bent on following the germans down this path, i don't know, that's something for you to answer. >> well, i'm not, and there are certain few people on this panel that aren't either. but one of our viewers, philip, says that you're wrong and that we haven't tried tidal enough. that actually it's this. there's lots of it. and nikki's shaking her head. she agrees. could you come back on that? >> what do you mean? we haven't tried hard enough? >> as in, we haven't tried enoughin >> as in, we haven't tried enough in the way of tidal energy to actually create. so there was a swansea bay proposal at one point, and that was given the kibosh, wasn't it? in whose government was that? >> i think it's a problem for the environment and also a problem for shipping. right. >> the tidal is but it's also an eyesore argument. >> it was . no. listen. yeah. go >> it was. no. listen. yeah. go on. on. >> on. >> the problem. the problem is this is what people don't understand. electricity is not like coal. it's not a commodity, right? it is. it is a service. it needs to provide it all the

time. it's think about it like heartbeats. think about it like taking breath. you cannot store your breath. you cannot store your breath. you cannot store your heartbeat. right? you cannot say, i'm going to breathe twice as hard today and then tomorrow. i don't have to breathe at all because we all know what happens if you try that tomorrow you die. and it's precisely the same with electricity and energy and the economy. to say that there is wind on some days there is solar, on some days there is tidal occasionally, and you can run your economy on occasional availability of abundant energy and then on occasional non—availability. this is not how it works. this is i think, one of these debates. we don't forget when people talk, for example, on average, let's say 30% of energy in the uk came from renewable sources. it doesn't matter what it is on average, as i said, if my heart beats twice as fast on monday and not at all on tuesday, on average, i had the same heartbeat on monday and tuesday, but i'm going to be dead. and the same is true for the economy. and i think this is what people don't understand. but we had fantastic values on monday. on tuesday we had nothing. well okay. but then your economy, just as if you

don't have a heartbeat right, is just going to be dead. >> yeah. and another thing, just just real quick. >> sorry, but i think if you talk to manufacturing companies, i didn't mean to interrupt, but i didn't mean to interrupt, but i think this is important. if you talk to manufacturing companies in the uk, they tell you the same thing, right? they say at current electricity prices, we're going to move our production now at miliband says, yes , yes, move it closer to the yes, yes, move it closer to the wind farms, move it closer to the solar farms. but they say no, no, we go to china because they have coal. we go to texas because they have gas . because because they have gas. because you cannot run an aluminium smelter, you cannot run a steel mill on on intermittent energy and just a real quick thing that nobody talks about saudi arabia is now starting to go into the steel business because they look at what's going on in europe, they look what's going on in the united kingdom and says, listen, if you guys kill your steel industry, if you guys kill your heavy industry, we are open for business and people will go there. >> i think you've given several very good analogies there, but the fact of the matter is renee, is it not that we are on this

path and the target is in law, it's enshrined in law. i mean, did ralph did mr schultz turn back on on some of the green madness or not? has he gone hell for leather on it all? >> oh, no, no, they are going all in, right. they they do they they have now even there was a time when even the german nuclear power plants that were mothballed, they could have brought them back. they now blew up the cooling towers to make sure that nobody can bring them back. now the germans do what they historically always did, right. if reality and ideology are in conflict, they side with ideology. but that was the german way of doing things. i always believe that the british are pragmatic, that the british are pragmatic, that the british are the realists in in europe. but apparently i was mistaken on this. >> yeah , well, i mean, i thought >> yeah, well, i mean, i thought that too, sadly, we're out of time. >> there are lots of the panel were chomping at the bit there to chomping at the bit to ask you a question, but ralph, thank you a question, but ralph, thank you very much for your company and for your insight on that issue. now we have some breaking news. there's been an update on the multiple stabbing incident

in germany last night. the islamic state group has claimed responsibility on saturday for the knife attack in the western german city of selection that killed three people and left eight injured. police are conducting a manhunt for the assailant and have detained a teenager who may be connected with the attacker. we'll bring you more on this developing story as it comes now, still to come tonight in the bunch of five bog snorkelling office romances and is rishi sunak responsible for his own demise. thank goodness hugh grant wasn't in that. >> and don't forget, we'll be answering your questions live on air in just a moment. >> ask us anything @gbnews .com forward slash york next in the saturday scrap a bold claim in the times liz truss was a better prime minister than boris. andrea, an ally of both, goes head to head with nichi in the saturday you're with the saturday

welcome to the saturday five. thank you very much for your company, my folks and my friends. it's time for this . yes friends. it's time for this. yes indeedy. it's time for tonight's main event, the saturday scrap . main event, the saturday scrap. now we're seconds out. it's round one and the question is, who was the better prime minister, liz truss or boris johnson? well, the biographer for boris johnson and many prime ministers, actually, sir anthony seldon says truss was the better leader in number 10, despite the constant claims, of course, that she crashed the economy. sir anthony, who's writing a new book on truss called truss at ten, says johnson's legacy was far more pernicious , adding

far more pernicious, adding while she may only have survived fewer than 50 days in office and made many mistakes , she did at made many mistakes, she did at least have an intellectual drive and an economic policy consistency about her. all right, well, my friends, let's gear you up. there we are, dame andrea and nichi hodgson. who's going to go first? >> andrea? okay, that's fine. absolutely. all right. i mean, firstly, darren, we should never have got rid of boris. and he won the stonking majority for the conservatives democratically voted in. and unfortunately it was the lib dem leaning mps in my own party who got rid of them. and so that was, the worst thing that happened to me. and we want to be in, in this situation today. now, boris connected to the people, but when he got ousted, i, i backed liz, i was there, she came up to my old constituency. she was swarmed by lots of people were with her fantastic policies . and

with her fantastic policies. and i think that her policies was right . unfortunately, she was right. unfortunately, she was not given enough time to enact them. and i think unfortunately , them. and i think unfortunately, not only the national media, but my own mps didn't want her there. they wanted rishi. so she was ousted. so that's what i think happened. they're both great. obviously. i would say boris, because he was democratically elected, but i think liz was great. >> nikki i think liz was terrible and the reason for that is multifold. but i mean, i'd like to start by saying liz truss dissed yorkshire so many times, even though she was partially educated there. that hasn't got her off to a good start with me, but let's actually move to the economy. she basically gambled with all of our money in the kind of mini—budget that could only have ever supported the very richest, and leave the poorest even more poon and leave the poorest even more poor. she's a classic case of confidence being promoted over ability, and she has set women

in politics back because of her recklessness. she's the lady jane grey of politics, basically, and she should never have been. but she was. >> she was the most experienced, minister, actually, of the leadership candidates, but she wasn't the most competent. >> and the reason she was kept in purposefully was because she was mediocre . so she wasn't a was mediocre. so she wasn't a competition to boris? >> no, no, definitely not. i mean, look, she was foreign secretary. she'd been in the education department. she'd been in the defra department. she was so experienced and she was not given a enough chance. so back to you, nikki. who would you choose then ? boris or liz? choose then? boris or liz? >> you know what, boris? >> you know what, boris? >> well , that's the question. >> well, that's the question. >> well, that's the question. >> for all his lying ways. i'd rather have boris every time, because at least boris is a communicator. and if he can't communicate, you shouldn't be in politics. >> oh, so are you going to, you know, join my campaign to bring him back one day. >> now he's making plenty of money elsewhere. he won't come back. >> well, well, well. ding ding ding. >> i mean, look, i think this

over liz truss. the day that i heard her budget, i thought it was superb. i thought it was a budget for growth. and i thought a true conservative. >> it felt like a budget. >> it felt like a budget. >> and i think therein lies the problem that we have now reached this point where the centre has moved so far away from a true conservatism to the left , that conservatism to the left, that what she did with that budget. and i will talk about how she failed as well. what she did is she terrified those who now are really lib dems pretending to be tories and they didn't want it. she was going off plan . she was she was going off plan. she was going away from this global centrist plan around the world that we're seeing enacted in every country around the world. and so they put into play everything they possibly could to down her that included the markets. the markets didn't want to go off that plan either. and so they all acted against her whilst hiding some horrible things in the pension funds that they needed to get rid of. so it actually served a purpose. there

to what liz did wrong was her pr around. it was atrocious. her and kwasi just delivered all of this stuff and there was a lot in there and they they failed to sell it in. they should have been coming out every day to the lectern explaining why when , how lectern explaining why when, how calm in the waters they didn't. so from a pr exercise, it was a disaster from a grow the economy exercise. it would have been superb . perhaps not the tax for superb. perhaps not the tax for the very rich. >> so hang on then you're saying. you're saying there that that basically the, the medicine was the right one, but the doctor was the wrong one. if i can use a. yeah. like that. yeah. >> when we talk about this everyone seems to forget the energy policy. right. that was more socialist than what starmer is offering now. they were going to pay to heat the swimming pools of millionaires. it was it was, it was not. it was only people have swimming. it was an non—means tested energy policy. >> she did want to investigate fracking, though, to be fair, i remember that being on the

campaign. >> yes, but in the meantime, she was advocating a policy that even the iea, the institute of economic affairs, which is sort of, you know, where her ideas are spawned, opposed. >> so boris is both of you. >> so boris is both of you. >> i'll answer that, but i just want to i don't understand this bit. why is this always ignored? this is a crucial part of this. it was a crisis of borrowing. it was going to cost. this was going to cost more than furlough. obviously, if you cut taxes and then whack up spending, what do you think's going to happen? you might as well have let jeremy corbyn. thatis well have let jeremy corbyn. that is what was the problem with this. so you would say it was unconservative to do that. well that all right. okay. we it wasn't necessarily that conservative at all. no. because look at the, the what was it the corporation tax was going to be was going to be returned to the level it was before rishi raised it. fine. right yeah. but i mean, it's not that radical, you know, it was just keeping it what it was for the last ten, 15 years with the promise to take it down further when they could growth. >> yeah, fine. >> yeah, fine. >> but then also when you're not answering the fundamental point here, which is that that was

going to cost what, 50 billion, 60 billion into this energy crisis by everything that had happened.the crisis by everything that had happened. the means test it. >> so we had a problem means testing costs more. there are not many people with swimming pools at home. >> well, we're finding out that the means testing is a real problem for rachel reeves winter fuel allowance. scrapping because there are many people who don't claim pension credit , who don't claim pension credit, even though they're eligible to do so, and it will cost them more than potentially more than the actual policy in order to actually means test it. >> no, i understand there are obviously going to be parts of this which are very difficult to manage, and they had to move quickly, which is partly , you quickly, which is partly, you know, what you're talking about with the speed of things and how there are bad salespeople for what was ultimately quite good ideasin what was ultimately quite good ideas in isolation. but i just wish that we would remember that this actually happened, and is a crucial part of why she failed . crucial part of why she failed. >> in my view, everybody's mortgages went up that people have been evicted from their homes because of that recklessness. we did not think about the poorest people and the most vulnerable in society. it was all about keeping the rich

nchen >> but hang on. >> but hang on. >> interest rates shot up in america. liz truss wasn't the president of the united states, but liz truss was the one saying, let's get rid of the 45% tax on anyone earning more than 150 grand. >> that's the average salary in the uk for good policy. >> that's a good policy, people. >> that's a good policy, people. >> there are really people, people in senior management in the public sector who are being dragged into that 45% tax rate. >> no, they just leave and get a job in the private sector. that's what they actually do. if they want the money well, or just pay the tax, most of them do. >> why don't we just go after corporations like amazon, like the tech companies that pay piddly amounts of money every year? >> why do we not give these 1,520% pay rises for the public sector? and all the trade union backed people? >> aidan mcgivern renee they're good going on. liz truss, what about the failings of boris johnson? right. because migration went to record highs under him. the net zero policy was utter madness. >> under him . >> under him. >> under him. >> look, i mean i didn't agree when net zero policy i mean in any political party you don't

agree with every let me down. >> you know, i campaigned for him heart and soul in 2019. and i felt he really let me down. >> but but give me a leader where you agree with every policy. >> you know margaret thatcher. >> you know margaret thatcher. >> oh, yeah. oh, yes. bring back margaret. i'd agree with about margaret. i'd agree with about margaret. yes, andrew. >> well , if we've got a say. >> well, if we've got a say. >> well, if we've got a say. >> margaret, i just wanted to ask. so we just to return to something we discussed earlier, which is the infection of the civil service with what this kind of metropolitan group thing, whatever you want to call it. yeah. didn't that metastasise under the conservative government and under boris johnson, why was that not addressed? >> well, look, even pretty trying to address it. don't forget jacob rees—mogg tried to address it. >> and sleeping in parliament while he was talking. >> oh no, that's ridiculous. he was actually listening because in parliament they have the speakers there and people didn't know politics is oh that's rubbish. it was actually listening to sleep. you sit on the benches that's got a speaker there. he was leaning into the speaken there. he was leaning into the speaker. anybody else but but you've taken us off the point actually . so look, jacob, the actually. so look, jacob, the thing is , after covid, i mean,

thing is, after covid, i mean, evenin thing is, after covid, i mean, even in the department i was in education, the amount of people who's working from home in the civil service is ridiculous. and if you. yeah exactly. and if you challenge them, you got seen as being a bully. and this is this is the problem. so we had people like pretty who got told she was a bully when she was just challenging the civil service. so it's been ingrained for too long. it has. >> but i think there could have been much more robust. i think they could have gone. i would have just gone to town after. >> i think this is yeah , we're >> i think this is yeah, we're going to have to call that a time. >> still ahead in the bunch of five. we go into everything from rishi's election timing to romcoms . and don't forget, we'll romcoms. and don't forget, we'll be answering your questions live on air in just a moment. in ask the five, it's your chance to ask us anything you go to gbnews.com/yoursay. you're with the saturday five live on gb

welcome back to the saturday 25. i know it's not that time yet, but jill's just asked if i'm dyeing my hair. i am not. >> i promise i'm not. anyway, she thinks she should. >> yeah, well, maybe she says it's darker and she quite likes it, so thank you. but as always, thank you very much for all of your messages about tonight's topics. adrian has written in and adrian says boris johnson did absolutely nothing with an 80 seat majority. nothing done about the small boats, hopeless prime minister. just celebrity. >> well, no, but there was to brexit sort out, i mean yes, exactly . exactly. >> right now though, it's time for this . all right, cherry, for this. all right, cherry, take it away. >> right. so ben riley—smith has an interesting a chapter from his new book in the telegraph today, talking about the decision for rishi sunak to call the election early and go in july rather than november, when

everyone thought he would. obviously, given they got absolutely pummelled, it seems pretty obvious that it was a mistake and i think it's interesting, you know, the decisions that the influence that they influences, that they had on them over things like overcrowding in prisons, lack of control over their own mps, that is what pushed them towards it . is what pushed them towards it. rather than waiting for the sunlit uplands. i still think they made a mistake. i still think they should have waited, and i think history will bear that out. and they will regret it. >> well, i mean, you know, you don't have to be nostradamus to sort of think that that's going to be the prediction in the future, right? well, yeah. >> i mean, it's pretty it's pretty obvious. like i said, they got destroyed. >> i also think that the reason they went early is because they had word that farage was going to join the fight, and they didn't want to give him the time to organise. that's probably true. >> they thought he'd be in. >> they thought he'd be in. >> no, actually, i mean, i, i had meetings with rishi, with nigel farage, and i met with rishi and i actually said, you need to do a war cabinet reshuffle, you know, get some strong red meat in there, bring back pretty, bring back suella,

bnng back pretty, bring back suella, bring back jenrick, get rid of oliver dowden . it's the most oliver dowden. it's the most uninspiring deputy prime minister we ever had and wait and allow time for our policies to be, actually show the shoots that they're working. and i also said to him that we need to do a deal with reform and sunday people as joint candidates, but but what was bubbling in the background? i mean, i was one of the biggest rebels again, under, under his leadership. and i called for him to publicly resign. but what was bubbling in the background was actually letters were going in, so it was going to be ousted anyway. so i think that's actually the main reason he went. >> andrew, do you think ultimately come this next election, reform seem pretty serious though. the democratising the party, the chairman's ear is very impressive, at least in my opinion. yes. are you of the view that there's going to be a conservative reform unionist

party? >> i mean, i have to speaking to, you know, all of reform in the lead up to the election. i mean, i've spoke to them afterwards as well. i can't see that happening. look, they're feeling very confident at the moment, i think while they're going quite high in the polls, it won't happen. let's see. nearer an election. but i, as i tried to do before the election , tried to do before the election, we need to unite the right because we do not want any more of what we've seen the last few weeks is you say unite in the right. >> but i think a lot of people in that party belong in the liberal democrats. >> i've publicly said that, darren, we need to sort out a cchq and our candidates department all right. >> renee, what have you got? >> renee, what have you got? >> so tomorrow in the uk, you may not know this is the world bog snorkelling championships. it's in wales. what is bog snorkelling i hear you ask? it is the epitome of british quirkiness. and we've got a clip to show you. >> oh dear. >> oh dear. >> bog snorkelling takes place in two trenches which have been dug about three feet deep and are filled with mucky water. the

taste of the bog water is like you've washed potatoes in some water and then you try and drink that. it's not pleasant . that. it's not pleasant. >> renee i was very amused to see cnn saying, you're getting into some dirty water every river in britain is dirty at this point. >> i know, but look, do you know what the british. let's have a bit of light. the british are so quirky. they do this. it's a 60 yard channel dug in some peat bogs. you're allowed to wear goggles and flippers. you're not allowed to use your arms. you have to use your flippers to swim as fast as you can. the women's world record. you do it twice is a minute and 22 seconds. and the men say, even in this minute, faster is a minute and 18 seconds and i can see you doing it. darren. >> yeah, well, i mean, do you know, i think we ought to do. darren. we have a gurning championship gurning, a gurning one. so i think we ought to pull the biggest gurn one. so i think we ought to pull the biggest gum and see who qualifies. what do you think? >> well, yes. >> well, yes. >> are you ready? >> are you ready? >> yeah. well cycle races right .

>> yeah. well cycle races right. next up, this woman posted this picture of herself online, and she was at a wedding and the daily mail got hold of it because it went viral online with a lot of people asking a question. now, hopefully people can viewers on radio won't be able to see, but it's a very low rise, revealing , very revealing, rise, revealing, very revealing, you can see lots of her womanhood and, she is wearing this scarlet red dress that has this scarlet red dress that has this severe cut, revealing parts of the body . now, the question of the body. now, the question is not whether a woman can wear such a dress. of course she can. the question is, is it appropriate for a wedding? let's have a straw poll. >> it's so rude to take attention away from the bride or try to do it so desperate. so try to do it so desperate. so try hard. on my goodness, i just banished that person. i would have done from my wedding. if someone. >> the rule of a wedding dress is always that you mustn't

upstage. yes, absolutely. >> or wear white particularly. >> or wear white particularly. >> that's a new thing where lots of people do wear white and was asked to by a guest if they could wear white. and i was like, absolutely not. when i get divorced, when i get married to the next. >> but the most important thing is unkind, isn't it? yeah. you just wouldn't do that. >> it's not your it's not your day. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> you had that on last weekend that. >> i don't know what it was. sorry. >> did you wax your chest first? ihope >> did you wax your chest first? i hope you did. yeah >> all right. what have you got ? >> all right. what have you got? >> all right. what have you got? >> well, what i've got is, not dress wise . no, i'm a big rom dress wise. no, i'm a big rom com girl, and i loved bridget jones movies, helen fielding actually came from my old constituency of morley who wrote it, and so i was eagerly awaiting this fourth instalment, and but then the penny dropped. who i loved in the, you know , who i loved in the, you know, through the 2000, hugh grant and his character, but given that hugh grant has become, the

wokeist gary lineker of the film industry , is he a heartthrob industry, is he a heartthrob anymore? i don't think he has. i don't fancy him now. he's probably pleased. i don't fancy him , actually. him, actually. >> but hasn't he moved away from those sorts of roles at the moment? >> he had a twitter spat with. oh, i think we've got it. >> oh, go on. >> oh, go on. >> oh, he swears he does swear and i've pulled him up on this. >> yes, i've pulled him. >> yes, i've pulled him. >> destroy the freedoms my grandfather fought two world wars to defend. blimey, what a great example to set to your children. >> well, he's talking about self—pleasuring the m word and is a father. and so i pulled him up on that. but then he chopped shrimp. me. he top trimmed me. >> and congratulations on your new appointment. you seem great. >> that was after my yellow dress moment. oh, yes. >> yes, that is everything you need to know about hugh grant. he's a total narcissist. has been from day one. the thing is, when you're good looking and young, you can get away with being a narcissist. and as you get older, it's not such a good look. which is why he plays villains now. actually, his natural character's starting to come through on film.

>> renee your sister knows hugh, doesn't she? go on, tell this story. >> so my sister actually works with hugh because she works at hacked off, hacked out of the media thing? >> yeah, the media thing. >> yeah, the media thing. >> he wants to regulate the press. >> he does. he does, like, stop them saying horrible things about him. >> yeah, he's coming for me. >> yeah, he's coming for me. >> yeah, he's coming for you. yeah. >> but, you know, i think i was more shocked by was that renee zellweger ? zellweger? >> yeah. i'm meant to be. not in the yellow dress. >> no . >> no. >> no. >> on the poster. yeah. yes >> on the poster. yeah. yes >> beyond recognition. exactly >> beyond recognition. exactly >> yeah. so they were going to do another one. >> oh, that's the one. oh, i don't think so. >> she's just a woman who's got older like all of us. no, she looks younger. >> no, she looks younger. >> no, she looks younger. >> she looks fake. >> she looks fake. >> she's meant to be a real woman that we can all connect with. yeah, she's had way too much airbrushing. >> she certainly had some work done. yeah. oh, yeah. >> more airbrushed than in the movie. >> she actually dates a really young man in it, didn't she? and mr darcy dies. mr darcy dies. >> all right. >> all right. >> nicki, what have you got? >> nicki, what have you got? >> well, should work colleagues

be allowed to flirt with one another? this comes off the back of this case at the bbc this week. the presenter , jermaine week. the presenter, jermaine jenas, who it's come out, had sent inappropriate texts, inappropriate texts to other staffers that he was working alongside . so i want to know if alongside. so i want to know if there's ever a time and a place where you can have a flirtation occur. lots of people used to traditionally meet their partners at work , and now it's partners at work, and now it's completely frowned upon. is that where where do we draw the line between harassment and flirtation ? renee. flirtation? renee. >> well, i think nowadays we draw the line, sort of before it's even started, because i think young men now , think young men now, understandably would be absolutely terrified of doing what is very natural to flirt with a member of the opposite sex to try and woo her. i mean, i met my husband, my first husband, at work. he was 16 years older than me. we ended up marrying. we were together for 17 years. and then when i started at medical school, i met my next partner. he was my tutor. >> wow. >> wow. >> so i'm all for it. i think

that's where you meet people. >> so how do you draw the line as nicki says, between the distinction of an abuse of power and genuine connection with the person? >> well , hopefully everybody >> well, hopefully everybody understands about consent and power. >> and, you know, we're educated enough to actually control those things. but i accept that sometimes that probably isn't possible . and that's a shame. possible. and that's a shame. but it shouldn't preclude flirting at work. yeah >> sorry. yeah. go ahead. i was going to say, aren't there instances where people are passed over for promotions and things like that? there their advances are rebuffed, you know, so, so sometimes some companies outright ban it. yeah >> but people have been flirting since adam and eve and it's human nature. >> let's not forget that i was sacked from a job because i wouldn't sleep with the boss, and that ruined my life for two years. but then i also, when i was around the same time, about 25, worked in a really boring media company and i had an affair with two guys at the same time. and then one of them had to leave and then i left anyway. >> goodness gracious me. but women do it too, basically. did you go to a wedding wearing that

red dress? still ahead, we're going to answer all of your questions and ask the five. it's your last chance now to get your questions in gbnews.com/yoursay no topic off limits. wonder what you've got in store for us this week. wow

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your messages and emails about tonight's topics. but speaking of which, it's time for this . all right, you vicious for this. all right, you vicious beasts. let's see what you've got in store for us. this week. one viewer has written in and asked , why won't starmer address asked, why won't starmer address immigration? nicky? >> he's addressing immigration. both him and yvette have come out very strongly and said this is what we plan to do, but they just haven't. they've only been

in office how many weeks? seven, six. they just haven't got there yet. >> he's not addressing immigration because they're part of this global world where they want open borders to every single country. and no difference anywhere. everybody can move everywhere now, complete rubbish. >> if we don't have immigrants in this country, the nhs will collapse, people will die. >> it didn't see immigration as a problem. >> no, no, he loves it. >> yes. in fact i think he hates the horrible plebs that are here currently. >> don't forget, not very long ago, yvette cooper was parading over twitter holding a sign saying refugees welcome adam. >> well, they have no answers. they still haven't even recruited their border commander. what's happening with that? >> no one wants the job and they've got they've got rid of rwanda. but they haven't got a different policy in place. >> right. >> right. >> okay. another gb news viewer asked us this when is dame angela jenkins joining reform ? angela jenkins joining reform? now the tories are toast. would nigel farage allow her to join? would you ever join nigel farage allow her to join? would you everjoin reform? would you ever join reform? >> no, i like nigel and i've known him from. we marched from sunderland actually, fighting for brexit all those years ago ,

for brexit all those years ago, but i don't even know if i want to stand again. to be honest with you, i don't know. i think what i believe is it depends who becomes party leader. if we go to the left, then the party's left . me? left. me? >> i have a very honest answer. >> i have a very honest answer. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well done . you. it's not >> well done. you. it's not often a politician says that. >> i'm always honest with northern, aren't we? it's in our dna. >> do you think adam. she should join reform. oh, you fancy their chancesin join reform. oh, you fancy their chances in the next election? >> well, they're professionalising very quickly. i think that's interesting, because that's what they. that's what they need to do. >> we've got a picture here showing that actually things are in movement. there we are. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so was that andrew? was that one of your leaflets? >> it was. yes >> it was. yes >> i mean they had this reform guy against me. i mean, this is i had an argument with reform at the time because they didn't stand against the biggest remainer in the neighbouring seat of hilary benn, who tried to stop brexit. and the guy lived in that seat. so i thought, if you can't beat them, join them. it was yeah, yeah,

yeah.i join them. it was yeah, yeah, yeah. i mean, like i said, i've got a lot of respect for nigel and but i also put boris on my literature as well . so, yeah. literature as well. so, yeah. and i had quotes from ministers etc, but i wanted to show that, you know , i'm trying to unite you know, i'm trying to unite the right. >> this is what needs to happen for them. >> next question then john asks, is the uk a secular, secular, christian secular society ? christian secular society? >> renee i don't think the uk knows what it is at the moment. i think we have so diluted everything about our culture through this open border policy that we don't know what we are anymore. i would like to see the uk reinforce its christian values. on me too , and let's go values. on me too, and let's go from there . from there. >> yeah, i mean nicky, what do you make of that? >> yeah, i mean, i'm unbaptised i'm going to hell anyway, so i shouldn't really be worrying about it . but shouldn't really be worrying about it. but i mean, the reality is people don't bother to go to church anymore. churches are running out of money because nobody cares enough apart from to go at

christmas and maybe easter. we've got to face the fact that most people don't believe anymore. >> well, do you know what i would say? that actually, i don't know what the answer to that is. we have an established church in this country, but it seems that the head of that church, the archbishop of canterbury, seems absolutely determined to do everything he can to destroy it. >> it's going wokeist. >> it's going wokeist. >> so yeah. oh, yeah, massively so. and i think actually you can commit blaspheme in this country for absolutely everybody apart from muslims. so i'm not sure that if we are a secular society, because it seems that i think i also think compared to america, we are. >> you think we are. >> you think we are. >> oh, massively. compared to america. it's a very different game over there. yeah yeah. >> and also people staying at home, not going to church doesn't mean they don't believe. >> yes. >> yes. >> well i was just about to say if you want evangelical christians moving on in, they're going to do it anyway sooner than later. so you can shift them over and you'll have more faith that's going to happen. it's absolutely going to happen because where abortion is going, we need to go back down to traditional family values. >> as a society. >> as a society. >> we've had an offer, cassandra

says. i'd be up for the job of border command, but i fear i'd get sacked in the afternoon by two tier care. there you are, cassandra. i would make you head of border command if not myself. anyway, thank you very much to our guests tonight. our newbies. next up, it's the brilliant leo kearse. with the saturday night showdown. i am actually going home now . thank you very much home now. thank you very much for watching. i'll see you again tomorrow . actually here's the tomorrow. actually here's the weather with greg dewhurst. >> thanks, hugh. >> thanks, hugh. >> for that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news, weather forecast showers continue over the next 24 hours, some longer spells of rain pushing in through sunday as well and it remains quite cool and breezy. low pressure in charge of our weather at the moment, but as we head into monday, a bank holiday for some, we will see a ridge of high

pressure extending in turning things a little drier and warmer for the rest of saturday into the early hours of sunday. showers across the north and the west of the uk . some of these west of the uk. some of these heavy, still fairly blustery winds across the north and west. clearer skies across central and eastern areas. quite a fresh night for everyone with temperatures in towns and cities dipping into single figures , dipping into single figures, perhaps 5 or 6 celsius in the countryside. but there will be plenty of sunny spells to start sunday morning, particularly across southern and eastern parts. here. blue skies to greet us, though showers across the west country into wales. the next weather system moving into parts of northern ireland northwest england, scotland with outbreaks of rain pushing in here. but still some sunny spells and showers across the north and east of scotland. winds fairly brisk and temperatures around 10 or 11 celsius to start sunday morning as we head through the day, this cloud and rain will push in and push eastwards. as we move through the day. some of the rain will be heavy at times, largely affecting northern ireland, scotland, northern

england, wales. further south it will be fairly showery across south—west england, the cloud extending further east. but the best of the sunshine holding on across southeast england. here temperatures around 20 or 21 celsius cool under the cloud. the rain and the brisk winds 14 to 16 celsius across the north of the uk into monday. that high pressure starts to build in plenty of sunny spells around there will still be a scattering of showers, the cloud thickest across northern ireland, southern scotland, northern england showery rain through the day here and then. as the week goes on, temperatures will start to rise. the mid locally high 20s possible by the middle of the week. see you again soon. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather

>> good evening. the top stories from the gb newsroom. let's start this bulletin with some breaking news. german police have reportedly caught the

person suspected of yesterday's stabbing spree in western germany. that coming into us, according to the german news website der spiegel, they have reportedly taken him into custody at this time. a second man was detained late this evening in a building housing refugees close to the site of the attack in the city centre. earlier, a 15 year old boy was detained in connection with the stabbing. he's not the main suspect, but is alleged to have known about the attack, which killed three people and injured eight others. the islamic state terror group has claimed responsibility for the attacks this evening. they said it was in revenge for muslims in palestine and everywhere. five of those wounded are in a life threatening condition . a threatening condition. a manslaughter investigation has begun into the sinking of a superyacht in sicily, where british tech tycoon mike lynch and his teenage daughter hannah, lost their lives. italian authorities say the investigation is in its initial

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