authorised a downing street pass authorised a downing street pass to a millionaire donor. this the to a millionaire donor. this the very same man who promised very same man who promised voters a total crackdown on voters a total crackdown on cronyism. is there a little bit cronyism. is there a little bit of hypocrisy here? and up to a of hypocrisy here? and up to a million people take to the million people take to the streets of west london for day streets of west london for day two of the famous notting hill two of the famous notting hill carnival. but whilst the carnival. but whilst the supposed family day has left a supposed family day has left a

woman fighting for woman fighting for her life in hospital, we're asking, is it time for a little rethink? and following the horrific stabbings in solingen, germany, last week by a suspected syrian asylum seeker, the german chancellor has vowed to get tough on weapons laws and deportation rules should the uk follow suit and teachers, they'll be trained to challenge whiteness in schools. do teachers really need to be taught how to disrupt the centrality of whiteness in schools ? well, that's just schools? well, that's just a selection of things we're going to be discussing this evening with my wonderful panel, mark littlewood and matthew stadlen. but first, let's get the latest news headlines . news headlines. >> emily, thank you very much . >> emily, thank you very much. and good evening. the top stories. italian lawyer nancy dell'olio has paid tribute to

her ex—husband and former england manager sven—goran eriksson, after he died at the age of 76. nancy says i choose to remember the good times we shared and the moments that

prince william and fa president prince william also paid respects on x, saying i met him several times and was always struck by his charisma and passion for the game. he says my thoughts are with his family and friends. a true gentleman of the game, former england player danny mills told gb news he was one of a kind. >> don't remember sven ever raising his voice, let alone shouting. he was very much in the arsene wenger mould of management, spoke very, very softly. his football knowledge was absolutely incredible . was absolutely incredible. >> residents of an east london block of flats engulfed by what they call a nightmare fire, say they've lost everything. everyone's been accounted for. after a major incident was declared following the fire in dagenham. over 80 people were evacuated from the building, with two people being taken to hospital. there have been no reported injuries. london fire commissioner andy roe says a full investigation into the fire and its cause will now get underway, and he says there will undoubtedly be concerns around

the fire safety issues present within the building. and this will form part of our report . a will form part of our report. a british man killed by a missile strike in eastern ukraine has been named as safety advisor ryan evans. the 38 year old was part of a reporting crew working with the news agency reuters. when the hotel they were staying at in kramatorsk was struck on saturday. the agency says they're devastated by his death and are now urgently seeking more information about the attack. that strike also put two other journalists in hospital. one remains in a serious condition . this morning, german condition. this morning, german chancellor olaf scholz laid flowers at a memorial site where three people were killed and eight others injured in a stabbing on friday. the 26 year old behind the attack in western germany has been named as eissa al h. that was after he gave himself up to the police. the syrian national is now being investigated by german federal prosecutors for links to the islamic state terror group . islamic state terror group. italian prosecutors have placed the captain of the superyacht,

which sank off the coast of sicily last week under investigation. it's been reported that james cutfield, a 51 year old new zealand national, is being investigated for manslaughter and shipwreck. the vessel sinking led to the deaths of british tech tycoon mike lynch, his 18 year old daughter hannah, and five others. athenian metropolitan police officer says he's tired of saying the same words every yeah of saying the same words every year. that's after a woman attending the notting hill carnival with her child was stabbed . three people were stabbed. three people were stabbed. three people were stabbed yesterday at this annual event, and that 32 year old mother is in a serious condition in hospital. police have also said that 15 police officers were assaulted and 90 arrests were assaulted and 90 arrests were made on the first day of the event. a heavy police presence is in place today as the main parade continues to

pass through the streets of west london and the world's oldest man at turns 112 today. john tinniswood was born in liverpool on this day in 1912 and says the secret to his long life is just luck. asked how he feels to be turning 112, he told guinness world records in all honesty, no different. he said i don't feel that age. i don't get excited overit that age. i don't get excited over it and that's probably why i've reached it . those are the i've reached it. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more from me in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> okay, welcome to dewbs& co with me emily carver. i'm in for michelle tonight. now joining me until seven is my panel. mark littlewood, director of the

popular conservatives. thank you for joining us. and matthew forjoining us. and matthew stadlen political commentator. now please do get your views in throughout the show. gbnews.com/yoursay i'm going to get to lots of them this evening because i want to know your view on all the topics we're going to be discussing now. we are going to get on to notting hill carnival in a little bit. and matthew, you've been enjoying the festivities yourself, haven't you? >> i have, we always seem to get onto notting hill carnival at this time of the year. well, it is the time on gb news. >> well, we it is today. i mean, we don't talk about it. we celebrate. when are we going to. >> are we celebrating week? are we celebrating? >> well, we're going to get into a discussion about whether some things have gone wrong. some things have gone wrong. some things have gone well. but we're going to start with the labour party, the labour government. you may remember when sir keir starmer asked you to vote for him. he promised this to change britain. >> we must change ourselves . we >> we must change ourselves. we need to clean up politics no more vip fast lanes, no more kickbacks for colleagues, no more revolving doors between government and the companies they regulate. i will restore

standards in public life with a total crackdown on cronyism , a total crackdown on cronyism, a total crackdown on cronyism, a total crackdown on cronyism. >> that's what he promised back in january. however, only 50 odd days into his premiership, he now stands accused of hypocrisy, failing to live up to the very standards he has set for himself. his party and the whole of government. so you've got the appointment of donors and labour advisers to key civil service roles. the supposedly apolitical civil service. you've also got wahid ali, a long time labour donor who has donated over £500,000 to the party, and get this 16,000 specifically for a new wardrobe for keir starmer. well, it turns out he was given a number 10 security pass, allowing him easier access to the building. now for what reason exactly remains unclear, but it seems it's all okay because starmer is going to tell us tomorrow that things will get better, but they have to get worse first. apparently that is the message that will be delivered tomorrow. so is the honeymoon period, i guess officially over for sir keir?

mark, how much should we make of this sleaze scandal, these allegations against the prime minister? yeah, i'm not too bothered about the civil service appointments because to be honest with you, i politicised the civil service. >> i think you should be able to appoint people as your policy advisers that, you know, respect like her on the page with you and the rest of it. this chap, however, who's given half £1 million to the labour party, has got a security pass. this is pretty strange, isn't it? and we were told by pat mcfadden that this is not unusual at all. well, why has he handed the pass back? well, quite. what did he needit back? well, quite. what did he need it for in july? i think there's some suggestion. there was . he there's some suggestion. there was. he organised some garden party or something. i want to hear a lot more from the labour party about this, because they could not have been on a higher horse when the conservatives were in power on this sort of stuff. this would be the sort of stuff. this would be the sort of stuff that angela rayner would have gone absolutely hectic about. so i at least want an explanation very strange to give a major donor with no official

role a pass to number 10 downing street. matthew well, i can't i'm not here in the capacity for the government defending the government, right, or wrong, if anything wrong has been done, then i will join everyone else in condemning it. >> so we may need to hear a bit more from keir starmer. but let's not forget that lord alli is a peer so he is a labour peen he is a peer so he is a labour peer. he is himself a political figure. yes he hasn't. ministers don't have these passes, that's true. but you are allowed to have political figures who are close to you when you are in government, and you are allowed to give them access. now, clearly he has also given money in the past and that's why questions are being asked. but i'm not sure at this point that i'm not sure at this point that i would use the word sleaze to describe the arrangement. >> what about, what do you make of the fact that he took £16,000 or so for clothes? it's almost like he's sort of sponging off him. doesn't he have enough money to buy his own clothes? it's a bit odd, isn't it? >> those sorts of things make me

feel a little bit awkward. i mean, i buy my own ties, but they're usually quite cheap, unless my wife has bought them. so look, it's not a wonderful. it isn't a wonderful look, is it? let's put it like that. >> what do you make of that? i don't mind, do you think it's fine? 16 grand for a new wardrobe. sir keir starmer out with his begging bowl. i'm going to be honest, yes i do. >> i mean, when the conservatives were in office, i often defended them against this sort of stuff. i don't have any problem with somebody a rich man giving a large amount of money to the labour party. >> what's he wanting in return? >> what's he wanting in return? >> well, i don't know, but but the idea that we don't want affluent people to donate to politics, i think, would be wrongheaded. indeed. shoes glasses. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well, he was on keir starmer was on the campaign trail for weeks and weeks , but he called weeks and weeks, but he called himself a socialist. he needs to have he needs to have decent suits, decent clothes. >> i do admire your consistency andifs >> i do admire your consistency and it's funny that we're starting consistent. it's funny to find ourselves on potentially slightly opposite sides of this debate, but there's no wrongdoing here. so we should be clear about that. and we know

that the tories have major donors really seriously wealthy donors. and there have been question marks in the past about some of those donors. and i would say they've got more major donors historically. but for me and i voted labour, i broadly supportive of this labour government. but as we may see throughout the programme, i'll criticise them where i think they should be criticised. for me, the idea that the leader of the labour party is someone who then becomes prime minister is given money specifically for his clothes by a major donor. for me, i find it uncomfortable. it's not wrong, but i think actually your your word there. it's a bit weird. >> you may be consistent in your argument here, but is it consistent of sir keir starmer, who is a self—proclaimed socialist? >> it's not obviously the personal practice of socialism, is it, to take £16,000 from a multi—millionaire to tart up your wardrobe? not obviously not. not obviously the greatest exemplification of socialism. so i was defending keir starmer's actual activity from a

completely non—socialist perspective. i think if sir keir starmer wants to be and profess to be a socialist, he should probably be somewhat more hair shirted. >> it is all a rather bizarre, but i will take you up on the sort of blase response to the civil service appointments, because we don't live in a in a country where, no one admits that we've got a politicised civil service. so therefore surely appointments should at least appear apolitical, i guess. >> well , i guess. >> well, i suppose that's right within the present system, but i think that that system is now breaking down. since blair brought in special advisers, you've now almost got a parallel civil service, distinct though they are distinct. but i just think that we should confess that people at the higher echelons of the civil service, probably permanent secretaries, director generals and directors who have a major role in policy making and advise on that, i think should be political appointments. >> but i just think we should be clear about a couple of things.

why i think an impartial civil service does matter. and this is where i disagree with you, mark, is because an incoming government has to be able to rely on the civil service to advise it impartially and to do its bidding effectively. now, this hasn't happened, but were labour just to pack the civil service? we're talking about 2 or 3 cases potentially here, but were labour to pack the civil service with its own supporters, that would obviously make it very difficult for an incoming tory government in five years time, if that is what occurs. do i feel uncomfortable with the idea that labour were given a lot of money by some people and then when they get into power, they appoint them to public offices, offices that should be held not just impartially, but i think should be open to the general population to apply for them. yes, i do feel a little bit uncomfortable about it, but i'm not sure that any rules have been broken and i'm not so sure.

>> i think we should give up on believing the impartiality of the civil service. i mean, i'm not saying they're bent or crooked necessarily, but they come to the table with their own opinions. we're all human beings. no, of course they're all human beings. and listen, i agree with you that you you know, i'm not suggesting that it would be a wise decision for the government to come in and just say, great, we've got 400 slots. let's just pack it full of our cronies who paid for your wardrobe. let's appoint him . wardrobe. let's appoint him. that clearly shouldn't be the way you do it. you want political allies and you want expertise. you should bring in people who are experts. >> say the special advisers come in, isn't it? well, the special advisers are more about handling political communications and the press releases and the political side. i have to say, as someone who worked for the for bbc nearly nine years, quite a while ago now, clearly i went into the bbc with my own personal political views, and i emerged from the bbc with my own personal political views. but i can say hand on heart that i did everything in my power for those nine years, and i worked at the

heart of live political programmes where there's an extra premium on you being impartial, hands on heart that i don't think i ever did a single thing that was linked to my personal views. >> what about choice of stories ? >> what about choice of stories? see, it comes down to the nitty gritty. no, no no, my choice of angles. >> you're right. >> you're right. >> choice or even subconscious. >> choice or even subconscious. >> subconscious. we are human beings. we have subconscious. but i've examined myself, looked back, and i say , hand on heart, back, and i say, hand on heart, that i did everything in my power to be impartial. i think i did it very well and my loyalty, values change. >> while you were at the bbc, i think i had less of a sense of outrage because i was i was paid to try to bring in people from different sides. >> i have a massive sense of outrage every time i switch on the bbc. so quite, quite a difference. i think the difference. i think the difference is you were working for a broadcaster that has obugafions for a broadcaster that has obligations to be impartial. a government is, by its nature , government is, by its nature, political. it will have a view of what economic models are true and which are false. what needs to be done in a particular area? what are the priorities? the

government, by its nature, is political, not impartial , government, by its nature, is political, not impartial, and it should be able to seek its own expertise and advice at the discretion of the prime minister. >> if you follow this through logically, if every time we have a change of government and under the tories that happened quite regularly recently, or a new administration at least, and if and if we were to have, i don't know, a tory government as i've said in five years time, four years time, if you had to flush out the entire civil service or the entire civil service, well, hang on. but that would be the logical conclusion. thousands of people , if it is said to be people, if it is said to be partial rather than impartial, if you fill it with your party political allies, it would probably be a lot smaller. >> i mean, i'm just saying the permanent secretaries, the director generals and the directors, i mean , the person directors, i mean, the person working in accounts, filling in an excel spreadsheet doesn't. well why not? >> well, they could do all sorts of things, theoretically to stand in the way of if you're sabotaging the government, you should be fired. >> but if you are in a senior allegation that the civil service does try, if you are in a senior role advising on policy ,

a senior role advising on policy, that, in my view, is a political role . role. >> so change it all. >> so change it all. >> well, it's about the top thousand or so. >> there's a lot of jobs to fill for an incoming administration. i mean, everywhere else in the western world seems to manage it. >> i don't it.— >> i don't see it. >> i don't see why we can't. >> well, that's some food for thought. i wonder what people at home make of that discussion, whether we should just be a bit more honest, open and honest about it. >> but you say honest. the suggestion is that it is partial. i think that's unfair. i'm only giving you. i can only speak for my own personal experience. >> people who've come out, you know, whistleblowers from the home office in particular, over the last months and years. and you know that there is you'll get a complete divide between what the mass of people working in the home office believe about policies like rwanda and other policies like rwanda and other policies related to immigration and border control in particular, and what the government at the time was trying to push through. and that's i don't think you can just explain that away or say, oh, no, that doesn't show any any partiality or anything like that, because i think it's clear that, because i think it's clear that there is a level of that. and also with brexit and things

like that, were the mass of the civil service behind that. >> did 52% of the civil service vote for brexit, do you think i couldn't tell you because i think it's very unlikely. >> why do you think it's unlikely? we've got to be careful with the assertions here. you don't want to assert something as if it is fact, because there have been none of us have the survey data of every civil service. >> no, but we have to be careful of doing that, because it's perfectly possible that thousands of civil servants hold personal political views because almost everybody does, but that they are professional in the way that they do their job. >> and we've got to be careful not to trash it. >> yeah, no, i agree, i agree. and also you know, a lot of people working at very intelligent, very hard working and they don't want to all be, you know, spoken about in that way. but lots of people getting in touch. joe says two tier care has more faces than a town hall clock. okay, craig says one word to sum up keir starmer hypocrite. jane says this is making a mountain out of a molehill. just as i said with partygate. for boris, this is political point scoring from the media. there may be some truth to that, and samantha says why do politicians need a salary

free? this subsidised that. and jerry says he should have gone to specsavers for the glasses . to specsavers for the glasses. so there you go. a range, a range of views , we're going to range of views, we're going to move on. keep your views coming in because coming up, a woman has been left in a critical condition after being stabbed on the family day at notting hill carnival yesterday. we're going to have a little look at this event and ask whether it's time to rethink the way it's run, because clearly there's quite a bit of violence and quite a bit of crime, so stay

tick. right. this is dewbs& co with me emily carver. i'm standing in for michelle and keeping me company is mark littlewood, director of the popular conservatives, and matthew stadlen, political commentator. now we are going to get on to notting hill carnival because we've got a lot to say on that. but first, i forgot to ask your

thoughts on this big speech that keir starmer is going to give tomorrow. now he, matthew, is going to tell us all that things will get worse before they get better. is that a strong, persuasive statement to make to the country? >> i mean, it's not overly optimistic, is it? but there is probably a hint of realism. i'm surprised he's due to say that they'll get worse before they get better, but we know that things, and this is partly the fault of the tory governments that we've had over the last 14 years. it's partly as a consequence of the ukraine war and other external issues . but and other external issues. but things are in a in a pretty parlous state. i think everybody watching tonight will agree that the nhs is seriously struggling. i think everybody watching tonight will agree that our social care system is seriously struggling. i think everybody watching tonight will be horrified that the prisons are 99% full or whatever they are , 99% full or whatever they are, and that the government seems to have no choice but to let some criminals out sooner than they otherwise would. these are systemic failures, and they are

of course, going to take time to remedy, mark, what do you think he means when he says things will get worse? >> well, we all of this, we've got to have much more growth in the economy. he's basically admitting this will happen no time soon. and for what? it's worth, i half agree with keir starmer. i think things will get worse, but i don't think they'll ever get better. so i think he's about half right. but the problem is this and i would i would blame the tories for some of this. we have taxes at the highest rate since the second world war, and the labour party is going to put these up. we have some of them, some of them. well, the total tax burden will rise. we have the highest state spending ever. i mean, to remarkably little effect. i mean huge increases in state spending. and that's going to go higher still . and we have more higher still. and we have more and more regulation . i mean, and more regulation. i mean, barely a day or a week goes by without some new regulation being passed. and if we continue on that trend, which i fear we were on to some degree under the

conservatives, i expect things will get worse and continue to get worse. >> mark, you say we've got more and more regulations, something that labour will say in their defence is that they are trying to slash regulation when it comes to housebuilding, and they see housebuilding as central to growth. and i think you would agree with me that we simply have not been building nearly enough houses year after year after year, and not just the tories, but you can go back to the last labour government probably as well. >> two cheers for that. two cheers for that. definitely, our planning system is completely broken. if labour can fix that, great. and it might be the case. i'm not holding out much hope that sometimes you can only really reform things that you're more trusted on as a party, like the nhs. i hope the national health service is , we start to health service is, we start to admit it for the disastrous system it is and look over the channel to western europe and see what we can learn from the dutch system and the belgians. >> i can tell you, having just interviewed wes streeting, the health secretary at the edinburgh fringe, he's absolutely committed to being free at the point of delivery. well, that's another point of

view. >> that's true everywhere in western europe. okay so but there are variations though, aren't there? >> i think it's fair to say. and he, i think is prepared to use the private sector. right. you know, to unlock some of the backlog that people at home and some of us have been experiencing when it comes to the waiting list, i worry it's going to be an uphill battle. >> yes, people argue that it's difficult for the conservatives to make any real reform with our health service because of, you know, all the baggage that's attached to the tories doing anything with the word private in. but i think there's baggage on the labour side, too. the unions aren't going to be very happy with it. they've got the junior doctors, the bma, the various other health unions who will have something to say, i'm sure. but shall we move on? because it is day two of notting hill carnival, a million people or so expected to descend on west london. they'll probably be there right now to take part in there right now to take part in the cultural celebrations, vibrant colours and music . but vibrant colours and music. but the problem is, every year it does seem to be plagued by crime. now three people were known to be stabbed yesterday, a 32 year old left in a life

threatening condition, and there were more than 90 arrests. and it was meant to be the family day yesterday. so i guess the question is, is the notting hill carnival worth it? does something need to change? is it a good use of police resources for example, i read that 7000 police officers are down at this one event. i mean, what about the rest of what about the rest of london? i mean, matthew, let's why don't we show a little, an image of your walk to work today ? we have i literally work today? we have i literally was my walk was short , and there was my walk was short, and there were moments when i thought i wasn't going to make it. >> in the end, i was an hour early because i did give myself an extra bit of time. i am unashamedly a supporter of the notting hill carnival. a born and bred in notting hill, i still live in notting hill. i live at the heart of it. yes, my priorities have slightly changed now that i'm a family man and i've been sent back to london by my wife, who escapes it. she's from the south coast. in order

to keep an eye on the house. and yes, of course, that brings a little that. no, she's not a huge fan, but that that does bnng huge fan, but that that does bring its own stresses. but look, this is a celebration of multiculturalism . it's multiculturalism. it's a celebration of caribbean traditions . it's a recognition. traditions. it's a recognition. let me let me quickly say it's a recognition of the huge input that immigrants from the canbbean that immigrants from the caribbean have have made to this country. and yes , there is country. and yes, there is crime. and of course, as a potential victim of crime, i utterly condemn it. and of course, the police should make arrests. and that case of that young mother is absolutely horrifying. a million people or so are having a wonderful time. we don't shut down football because we know there's violence there. week in, week out. we don't shut down the london transport system because we know horrifying attacks take place on the london transport system. >> is there a compromise to be had, though? because clearly you don't have any issue with this event, even though some issues i don't like the crime. >> i don't like the crime like the crime, you know , we don't the crime, you know, we don't shut down glastonbury because it's riddled with drugs.

>> every business. yeah, but that's in a contained area, isn't it? glastonbury. and that's the it's riddled with drugs. the issue for me now i understand this carnival has a long history. it was you know, it was started against racism and everything like that. and it's supposed to be a celebration. but when you've got older residents having to leave the area for the entire weekend, residents who've got people who buy into notting hill, you've got know that there is a carnival . carnival. >> everyone knows it's going to be boarded up. >> you've got houses, people urinating, etcetera, etcetera. i mean, mark, what's the answer? how can we have this nice notting hill carnival? but without the crime that goes with it? >> well , listen, i've got some >> well, listen, i've got some sympathy with matt. if you put a million people together, you're going to get some crime. you're going to get some crime. you're going to get a lot of low level crime, and you're going to get an occasional high level and extremely unpleasant crime. here's my solution, though. matt says, you know, we don't close down football because you get trouble at football matches. indeed we don't. i'm very glad about that. i am a fanatical football supporter. watford southampton i was there for a dire game on saturday. one nil.

southampton lost to nottingham forest at home. but here's the rub football clubs pay for the policing for these matches. they pay policing for these matches. they pay for it. it's not at the taxpayers expense. i don't know who the organising authority are around notting hill carnival. i think the policing operation costs about £12 million. it's not my cup of tea, but i'm a live and let live kind of guy. but the people who participate in it and organise it should pay for the policing of it. just as southampton football club contribute to the policing at southampton matches, and that goes straight to the top of my. >> now that the organisers, the organisers of the notting hill carnival, will not be able to afford this £12 million price tag that you've put on it. it may be that the council, kensington and chelsea council, it may be that they contribute to it, but if you think about the reputational advantages for not just our capital city, but for the country that we have, the second biggest street party in the world, second only to rio, this is a wonderful celebration. >> same case could be made for football. >> this is a wonderful celebration. the home of football happens once or twice

every week, multiple times right across the country . that across the country. that wouldn't. i don't think that wouldn't. i don't think that would be fantastic for the economy. >> i mean, let's admit it, a lot of residents will absolutely dread it every year because of the disruption and because of that, some do. i've always been i've been bad behaviour. >> i've always been one who gets involved, gets stuck in. >> well, matthew, you're a very particular type of guy. >> what sort of guy am i, a fun loving guy. get out and do a bit of dancing. >> no. i'm intrigued to know what level of crime would make you think. actually, you know, maybe this should become a ticketed event or maybe it should move to a, you know, a park or something, or i mean, do you realise how out of touch you are with the millions of with the millions of people who come to the car? i'm just i'm not trying to ban the thing, but you can't. i'm not trying to ban the thing. i know a lot of people really enjoy it, really enjoy it, and it's something to look forward to at the last bank houday forward to at the last bank holiday of the summer. but something's going wrong here. you've got the police coming out and saying, this has been marred by unacceptable violence. >> they've also said that the vast majority of people go there

to enjoy themselves, and you vast majority of people go there to enjoy themselves, and you can't you can't have it both can't you can't have it both ways round either. ways round either. >> this is a massive, hugely >> this is a massive, hugely popular event that millions of popular event that millions of people want to go to. well okay, people want to go to. well okay, chip in 2 or £3 towards the chip in 2 or £3 towards the police. police. >> enjoy the very essence of it. >> enjoy the very essence of it. the very essence of it is i pay the very essence of it is i pay for it. >> is it? that's the essence of for it. >> is it? that's the essence of it. the people who don't go pay it. the people who don't go pay for it. that's the essence. if for it. that's the essence. if you've got if it's that popular, you've got if it's that popular, you've got if it's that popular, you should not struggle to find you've got if it's that popular, you should not struggle to find to finance the policing, ticketing a street party part of to finance the policing, ticketing a street party part of it, part of the joy of it and it, part of the joy of it and the crowdfunding part of the joy the crowdfunding part of the joy of it and the charm of it is of it and the charm of it is that it that it of it and the charm of it is thatitis of it and the charm of it is that it is a street party. of it and the charm of it is thatitis of it and the charm of it is that it is a street party. that's right. i'm not saying you that's right. i'm not saying you don't get people who turn up for don't get people who turn up for a street party to pay. a street party to pay. >> i don't know what your sort >> i don't know what your sort of parties are like. do you get of parties are like. do you get people to pay for your birthday people to pay for your birthday parties? come on, this is just parties? come on, this is just absurd. >> there are very few stabbings absurd. >> there are very few stabbings at my birthday parties. i've at my birthday parties. i've never. never. at my birthday parties. i've never . i've never needed 7000 at my birthday parties. i've never . i've never needed 7000 never. i've never needed 7000 police officers at my birthday never. i've never needed 7000 police officers at my birthday party. emily carver never needed party. emily carver never needed any police officers at my any police officers at my birthday party. birthday party. >> the issue is that it's very, very difficult to police and the

police. well, of people go there

hill protection. i am a notting hill resident. i'm telling you, i'm deeply proud of the carnival and the fact that it sends a message across the world that we are a multicultural society, and we're capable of having fun in the streets. >> that's all good. live and let live. but don't ask the rest of us to pay for it. >> okay, well, i'm going to get to some of your views. you've got mixed views actually, on this one. some of you thinking, you know, it's a good fun, others of you thinking it's a recipe for disaster and should be moved to a supervised entry metal detector closed event. but we'll get to some of those after the break because coming up as chancellor, olaf scholz in germany pledges tougher weapon laws and deportation rules following friday's stabbing attack in solingen, germany will

right. okay. welcome back. this is dewbs& co. i have mark littlewood and matthew stadlen with me this evening just on notting hill carnival. before we move on, shirley says just contain it . tickets. tickets for

contain it. tickets. tickets for families taking part in no one else, apparently that might ruin the vibe of the street party, christine says nobody's against the celebration, but we must consider safety , including that consider safety, including that of the police. why not have it in a park ? in a park? >> that's going to make it safe, isn't it? i mean, have you heard of what happens in hyde park, for example? you don't need a carnival to have stabbings in hyde park. this is a great celebration. and yes, there are idiots and really bad people who do bad things at the carnival as there are throughout the year in all sorts of different contexts. this has been going on, as you said at the beginning, for decade after decade, it's been going on for longer than i've been alive, and i think we should celebrate it. and where there is, where there is serious crime, crack down on it. >> yeah , okay. i just wonder if >> yeah, okay. i just wonder if the police are capable of policing such a massive event without, you know, 32 year old woman being stabbed and left impossible. >> vertical. impossible. and it is extremely sad. i'm the husband of a of a young woman myself and she's a young mother and i mean, and presumably

police resources are being diverted from elsewhere in london. >> well, that's my concern. >> well, that's my concern. >> that is my. >> that is my. >> so there are a few if you're not going to the notting hill carnival, you've got less police protection over this weekend than you would normally expect. is that right? >> that would be logically the consequence, or maybe not just from london, but from other parts of the country. it isn't perfect. i'm not saying it's perfect, but there are some traditions and some celebrations that are worth protecting, and i strongly think that this is one of them. and i think the vast majority of people you ask would agree with me. >> it should be easy to raise £12 million then to pay for the policing, but you're not seriously going to stand on the edge of notting hill carnival and start asking people to show their tickets. >> this is not a taylor swift concert crowdfunder. this is a carnival. it's supposed to be a day of spontaneity. >> crowdfund it. as we've seen, there were stabbings at notting hill carnival, but we're going to turn our attention to a spree , to turn our attention to a spree, a stabbing attack in germany, which was on friday at a festival. which i don't believe was ticketed either. and this the german chancellor has

responded. he's olaf scholz and he's pledged tougher weapons laws and swifter enforcement of deportation rules. now, of course, the mass stabbing happenedin course, the mass stabbing happened in the western city of soungen happened in the western city of solingen on friday night, and it left a woman and two men dead. the suspect is a syrian asylum seeker called eissa al age, so it's a very tricky one in this country. olaf scholz obviously has to come out. he's got elections coming up. he needs to come out with something strong and say, you know what, i will protect the public from these types of random terror attacks that we do see. >> it wasn't random. it was planned by isis. >> no, but as in this is the isis handbook to tell people in the west who are their followers to just pick up a weapon or, you know, get into a vehicle and just try and kill as many people as you can. i mean, olaf scholz cracking down on weapons, is that going to solve it? will deportation rules solve it? >> i'm usually i'm a bit sceptical about weapons crackdowns in europe. i mean, if you are determined to get your hands on a knife, you will be

able to get your hands on a knife . okay. you might say that, knife. okay. you might say that, you know, some knives are more dangerous than others, but we're not going to be able to prevent people getting their hands on that sort of weaponry. it's not like the united states where you can go and buy a machine gun easily in some sort of state. so i'm a bit sceptical of that. i understand politicians want to, you know, something must be done. this is something. let's done. this is something. let's do this. it seems to me, on the face of it, i don't claim to be an expert on the german legal system, but they have a similar problem to that. that we have in the united kingdom. and it saddens me that we are not able to process asylum application applications with anything approaching rapidity. it takes 18 months on average to from considering a claim to determining it. i'm not saying you can do it. in 18 hours, but i think you probably should be able to do it in 18 days. >> but that's not necessarily the issue, is it? the speed of the issue, is it? the speed of the asylum? i think it should also be the nature of it. >> i think it should also be the nature of it. so i think if you are seeking asylum in germany or

the uk and it's up to the germans, what they want their rules to be, that there are certain things that we would seek for you to undertake. we would need to be satisfied that you weren't a terrorist, that you weren't a terrorist, that you supported freedom of speech and freedom of expression. even if you found some of the statements made blasphemous, that that was not a cause or a case for you to turn to violence. so i think there needs to be a whole load of checks here. and the entire system in the uk seems to be broken on this as far as i'm concerned. and sadly and tragically, it seems to be pretty similar in germany and many other european countries as well. yes. >> so matthew, to according reports, this man, 26 years old, he arrived in germany in 2022. he applied for asylum and his application was later rejected. he was supposed to be deported to bulgaria because that was the first country within the european union that he'd registered as an asylum seeker. clearly, something has gone very, very wrong. but we've had the same problem in this country multiple occasions. abdul ezedi for one, that horrific chemical attack in london, he'd had his asylum, refused twice . another

asylum, refused twice. another man who killed 21 year old thomas roberts. he'd also arrived here and he was a failed asylum seeker. yet he was still able to commit a brutal, hideous crime in this country. there are many more that i could list. we've clearly, clearly to soften this country when it comes to deporting people who've failed in their asylum claims or maybe incompetent. >> i mean, this comes off the back again of and there will come a point, by the way , when come a point, by the way, when the labour government cannot just blame the tories. but you know, keir starmer has only been in power, as you said earlier, for 50 days or so. yes, admittedly it's longer than liz truss, but that's not saying much. this comes off the back of 14 years of conservatives in number 10. they've had 14 years. your party to mark sort out the asylum system. and it's not easy. it's difficult, but it has to be gripped. and of course i'm in favour of speeding up the application process because 18 months, if you're right, about 18 months is absolutely ridiculous . are we though, in in

ridiculous. are we though, in in the modern world, in a world in which we do all agree that some people from afghanistan, some of whom have helped us, by the way, in the war effort that we were involved in, and some people from syria have been the victims of horrific violence in that country that we should take some people from those countries. >> i would say we should prioritise women and girls. i'd almost go as far as to say, only if you look at what's happening, that's your view. that's your view of what's happening in that's your view. >> emily, i would say that men, of course, just like women and girls, are capable of being victims of horrific regimes. and i would not i would not and i would not. hang on. let me finish my point. >> while i would not distinguish it like animals, i would not distinguish between men and women. >> what i would say, really, is that we are we cannot eradicate the threat from islamic extremism. and just as everyone watching is opposed, i hope, as opposed to islamic extremism, of course i am, because i'm just as

likely as anyone else to be a victim of it, and because it's an evil ideology. but does that mean that we should shut our borders to vulnerable people? no, it's part of being a civilised. >> but is this not the starkest evidence ever that people are using our asylum system to try? and i wouldn't go as quite as far as you implied, or inferred. >> emily, i don't think you should turn down all male applications for asylum, but i think that when we are considering an application, the risk to public safety should be a consideration. and there is no doubt that these attacks are entirely conducted by men, not women. so i would have thought it would be easier for a woman to establish that they were not a threat to public safety than a man. i mean, that should be one of the balancing items. i think that the labour party claims it wants to get a grip on the administrative processes, and good luck to them. i would agree with you that the conservatives did not do a good job there. i suspect that sooner or later , suspect that sooner or later, probably sooner, they're going to run up against the same legal issues that the conservatives ran up against with the human

rights act embedded in uk law. there are endless grounds for appeal. the legal profession working on this has become almost industrialised . now, i'm almost industrialised. now, i'm not suggesting we should just have an arbitrary decision over a table. there needs to be a judicial process, but i think it now gives far too many routes for appeal and that , as well as for appeal and that, as well as the administrative process, is why you've got this 18 month. >> let me just clarify when i'm talking about women and girls, i'm thinking specifically of afghanistan at the moment where you have actually the largest proportion of people crossing on boats at this moment, afghan men and i wonder whether we should be taking women and girls as a priority, considering how they're being treated. well, let me just tell you, by the way, taliban, i've got to go to break. >> if cooper is no soft touch, by the way. we shall see. we shall see the plans. don't necessarily

okay. welcome back to dewbs& co with me, emily carver. i'm standing in for michelle and we still have mark littlewood here. and matthew stowlawn, thank you very much. we were talking about what on earth we do about this apparent situation we're in, in western europe, where you'll have a lone isis follower decide to just pick up a knife or or enter a vehicle and try and kill as many people as possible. now, olaf scholz, he has political reasons , certainly, to want to reasons, certainly, to want to clamp down on this. i'm sure he wants to. anyway he's saying weapons laws. we need to get tougher on that. and he's also saying we need to get tougher on deportation because the man who's suspected of stabbing all of these people was, in fact, a failed asylum seeker who was supposed to be returned to bulgaria. but that didn't happen. so what's next? the uk should be taking note of this, of course. >> and you know , i mean, you >> and you know, i mean, you know, good luck to the labour government in trying to resolve this. i'm not confident they

will, but i hope they do. and we've got to have a much cleaner, swifter system . you are cleaner, swifter system. you are deaung cleaner, swifter system. you are dealing with people who you know , dealing with people who you know, potentially face death or torture if they return to their country. you've got to take that seriously. but i think we've probably got to shift where the where the burden of proof lies. if you are claiming asylum, you need to come to this country and make a case. the assumption is not that your story is true. you need to establish that story. and i think there's also probably a case, if we're listening to your claim and we haven't sped it up to my target of 18 days rather than 18 months, that we might determine that you are a threat to public safety . you're detained for that safety. you're detained for that penod safety. you're detained for that period of time rather than , period of time rather than, well, okay, you know, go out, go knife shopping, go and hire a car. so i think we've got to get a lot tougher. the system needs to be fair. you cannot just have a sort of stop everybody approach, but it needs to be fast and it needs to be swift. and the justice delayed is justice denied. >> on the afghanistani men point .

>> on the afghanistani men point. i mean, a lot of afghanistan men helped britain, of course, and america. but we have, we have. america. but we have, we have. am i allowed to say, please let me finish my point. >> go on, go on, go on. >> they helped. >> they helped. >> go on, if you must. >> they helped us at great personal risk when we were in their country, trying to do what we were trying to do, you know, to put in place a democracy, always a challenging thing to do. and we failed, of course, but they were incredibly brave. some of those people, in fact, i was down the portobello road not long ago. i bought some, i bought the case for this mobile phone from someone who had come from afghanistan, and the message that it sends out to so many people watching, if they are watching from those sorts of backgrounds, is so offensive, because let's remember, yes, one of these attacks is one too many. but the overwhelming majority of people who come from these countries are law abiding. >> paint everyone with the same

brush. >> the fact that you, let's say, fought against the taliban, possibly alongside the brits and the americans, that should be listened to and that is evidence that should be adduced at your hearing. so if you are able to say, look, this is where i thought this was what emily said, this is started off by saying we shouldn't have men from afghanistan and syria. >> i said we should prioritise women and girls. you came to say no, you came to say that. >> but first of all, no, emily, no. sorry that's what you came to say. first, you shouldn't have men and women and girls. i say we should prioritise women who can show they fought. >> it's whoever gets here first. at the moment, it is whoever gets here first. i think that is wrong. >> those who can show that they undocumented people and you don't know if they are not what you started off by saying. >> that is what you said. >> that is what you said. >> it seems to me that those who can establish that they fought alongside the allies to try and establish democracy against the taliban, you know, i mean, you'd need to you can't just show. you need to you can't just show. you need to you need to show. you need to you need to show. you need to you need to show. you need to show that gay men, for example, not just people who fought for a brighter outlook

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