gb news. >> good afternoon britain. it's 12:00 on wednesday the 28th of august. >> i'm tom harwood and i'm emily carver. >> starmer's european gamble . >> starmer's european gamble. sir keir is in germany in search of a new treaty. the prime minister insists the country is turning a corner on brexit. but what exactly does he mean by a closer relationship with the european union .7 european union? >> well, fewer than 100 male prison spaces left slaps on the wrist for serious offences. police accused of giving up on shoplifting. our home secretary is considering increasing the policing of non—crime hate incidents. is this the right priority? >> starmer says he's agreed a

joint action plan with germany to tackle illegal migration. yet today the 20,000th migrant has crossed the english channel in just this year. >> and a different kind of teaching for you. we'll be joined by the founder of empathy studios, a company pushing to teach kindness and boost positive behaviour in school children. but should that all be left to the . left to the. parents? >> and we're going to be looking at another issue today as well. thatis at another issue today as well. that is the law order , crime and that is the law order, crime and policing, particularly of a specific case of misogynistic abuse. >> yes, this is actually quite shocking . so a man who assaulted shocking. so a man who assaulted three women, three asian women at a petrol station in broad

daylight for not wearing appropriate clothing, in his opinion , he essentially beat opinion, he essentially beat them up. and what happens? he goes to court. and what's his punishment? what's his punishment? what's his punishment? a £500 fine, some rehabilitation sessions and a bit of unpaid work. now the government have spoken about extreme misogyny , making extreme extreme misogyny, making extreme misogyny almost treated in the same way as terrorism, as a terror ideology. surely this is the clearest cut case of extreme misogyny you can have, but it speaks to our criminal justice system . system. >> it does. it's extraordinary that this man thinks he can walk up to three women all in bradford, three women he doesn't know and say that they're not wearing appropriate religious clothing , that they shouldn't be clothing, that they shouldn't be wearing makeup , frankly, that wearing makeup, frankly, that they that they should be living sort of separate unassimilated lives and proceeds to smash one

of their faces into a car dashboard punch and slap and manhandle the rest of them. but but no prison time. is this the state of our criminal justice system? >> well, it makes me furious. let us know your thoughts on everything we're discussing today. gbnews.com/yoursay. but let's get the headlines with sophia . sophia. >> emily. tom. thank you. good afternoon. from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 12:00. your headlines. the prime minister has been holding a joint news conference with german chancellor olaf scholz in berlin. after pledging to reset relations with the eu. sir keir starmer is in germany to launch negotiations on a new bilateral treaty, which hopes to boost business and increase joint action on illegal migration. the prime minister is on a two day trip to berlin and paris to turn a corner on brexit and fix the broken relationships left behind

by the previous government. speaking earlier, sir keir starmer described it as a moment of opportunity to deepen links between the uk and germany. >> this treaty is part of a wider reset grounded in a new spirit of cooperation with our shared understanding that this will be developed at pace and that we hope to have agreed it by the end of the year. a britain reconnected , resetting britain reconnected, resetting our relationship , rediscovering our relationship, rediscovering our relationship, rediscovering our common interests, delivering for working people. britain and germany already have an incredible relationship. two great countries brought closer together than ever before. the strongest strategic partners in europe and on the world stage. >> meanwhile, back in the uk, the chancellor has addressed sir keir starmer's warning that the autumn budget will be painful. speaking a short while ago in

scotland, rachel reeves defended the government's decision on winter fuel payments. >> the truth is that these are not decisions that i wanted to make, but these are decisions we have to make given the inheritance that we face from the conservative government, and there will be more difficult decisions to come in the budget later this year. >> but the stark reality after the mess that the previous conservative government have left this labour government to inherit it means difficult decisions. but without difficult decisions. but without difficult decisions we are going to face serious problems with our public finances. i will not take the risks that the conservatives have taken previously that would put our economy in danger. >> chancellor rachel reeves speaking there. now there are just 100 spaces left in male prisons across england and wales. that's according to the ministry of justice with reports this is the closest a system has come to running out of places. it comes after the activation of early dawn, where defendants in

active court cases are kept in police cells until standard prison spaces open up. now, with hundreds more arrests from riots and notting hill carnival disorder over recent days and weeks, there are concerns prisons may run out of capacity. shadow leader of the house of commons chris philp has called for more spaces during last yeah >> every week there are about 100 additional net. additional prison places were created by the previous justice secretary, alex chalk, so they were bringing on 100 more places each week than were being retired or withdrawn for refurbishment. so i think the solution to this is more prison places. and in the very short term, these rapid deployment cells are dcs are what i would like to be see being used . being used. >> now some breaking news in the last half hour, two british crew members of the superyacht that sank off sicily last week have been placed under investigation by the local prosecutor's office. seven people were killed

when the bayesians sank, with owner, british tech tycoon mike lynch, and his 18 year old daughter hannah. amongst those who died , both mr parker eaton who died, both mr parker eaton and matthew griffith. the lookout crew members on duty dunng lookout crew members on duty during the sinking have now been placed under investigation . in placed under investigation. in other news, the israeli military has launched a major operation in the west bank. palestinian health officials claim at least nine people have been killed in the strikes. the israeli army confirmed today that they had begun what they said was an operation to counter terrorism in jenin and tulkarm . a man has in jenin and tulkarm. a man has been charged with attempted murder over the stabbing of a mother at notting hill carnival. 20 year old shaquille thibou will appear in court charged with the attempted murder of the 32 year old woman, who was attacked while with her young child. two other men have been charged in relation to the same incident. the three men are brothers and in the us. former

president donald trump has been hit with new charges for his alleged attempts to interfere in the 2020 election. it comes after the us supreme court ruling last month that former presidents are presumptively immune from prosecution for official white house acts. donald trump has responded to the new indictment filed against him , describing it as an effort him, describing it as an effort to resurrect a dead witch hunt. meanwhile, the former us president has spoken about his assassination attempt , saying assassination attempt, saying god protected him during the campaign rally in pennsylvania. >> it has to be god . i mean, how >> it has to be god. i mean, how can you say it's luck when it's you know, 20 million to 1? okay. i mean, it's just not possible that i was in that position. it's the only position where that bullet could have missed. and you believe in god? i do, do. >> you believe god's hand was in this that day? >> i believe so, yeah, i do .

>> i believe so, yeah, i do. >> those are the latest gb news headunes >> those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour. >> good afternoon. britain. it is 12:08. now the prime minister is 12:08. now the prime minister is meeting olaf scholz in berlin today as he seeks an ambitious new treaty with germany. a move thatis new treaty with germany. a move that is part of his wider push to reset relations with europe post—brexit. >> yes. so appearing at a press conference alongside the german chancellor, the prime minister said the new agreement between britain and germany would seek to boost trade and increase cooperation on issues such as defence, tackling illegal migration and climate change. he also added that both sides hope to conclude the new treaty by the end of the year. >> let's discuss this now with our political correspondent, katherine forster, because , katherine forster, because, catherine, there will be many people who hear the idea of a new european treaty and start to think, hang on, didn't we just

leave ? leave? >> yes. >> yes. >> good afternoon, tom and emily. yes, indeed. and of course , our new prime minister, course, our new prime minister, sir keir starmer , previously sir keir starmer, previously campaigned for a second referendum, but has been very clear for a long time that brexit has happened and that we are not going back. so he said categorically and still says not going back into the eu, not going back into the eu, not going back into the eu, not going back into the customs union or the single market. but he does want a much closer relationship with our friends in europe, and he is setting out to get that. so it's been a bit of a whirlwind, hasn't it ? a whirlwind, hasn't it? yesterday he was in the rose garden at downing street talking about painful choices. today he is in germany with chancellor

schulz . we've just had the press schulz. we've just had the press conference. they've met five times now since he became prime minister. they clearly have a lot in common. they get on well and then after this he's going to be heading to france for the paralympics opening ceremony. and then tomorrow he will be meeting emmanuel macron. and clearly , you know, he's saying clearly, you know, he's saying they're aiming to get this new treaty, done. and dusted potentially by the end of the year , talking about a stronger year, talking about a stronger cooperation on defence on security, on illegal migration. we didn't hear anything about that yesterday, did we? but talking about that today and particularly in regards, of course, to those terrible terrorist attacks, last week in germany, they're saying they said today in the press conference that they have discussed and agreed a joint action plan to strengthen

cooperation to tackle illegal migration. they also want to work more closely on trade. i think that's going to be much trickier. of course, sir keir starmer wants growth and he thinks if he can boost our trading relations with germany, that will help. but of course germany is still part of the european union. so they're very limited in what they can do on that. so a lot of warm, warm words but not much detail. and a lot of questions. we know that germany would like a youth mobility scheme. sir keir starmer said again there's no plans for that. but frankly you know we want something. what are we going to have to give in return? >> well, exactly. there is a question around whether you can have really a meaningful bilateral agreement with an eu nafion bilateral agreement with an eu nation state, because of course, it must come with strings attached. germany are part of

the customs union. they are part of the single market. they can't deal with only their national sovereignty, i suppose. so it's going to be very tricky. it will require give and take. if he wants something actually meaningful, surely ? meaningful, surely? >> yes. i think it's going to be very difficult in terms of trade . very difficult in terms of trade. now. sure. david cameron did a deal back in 2010 with france, a 50 year agreement. it was called the lancaster treaties , but that the lancaster treaties, but that was around defence and security specifically . now, yes, the specifically. now, yes, the prime minister wants to be working on that, but he is also very much focused on growth. he said. it's his number one priority and they do want this to include , you know, deals to include, you know, deals with, it's not going to be a trade deal. clearly but i think that sort of thing is very problematic. and we will have to

give something to get something back. and, and germany can't agree very much in that respect because they are members of the european union. so i think there's a lot of questions around that that we simply don't have answers to at the moment. >> well, katherine forster, thank you very much for that overview. interesting times ahead. let's get the thoughts now of sir nick harvey. he's the ceo of the european movement in the uk. sir nick, thank you for joining us today. i suppose your group, which campaigns for much closer relations with the european union , will be european union, will be delighted by what's going on today. >> yes, i think it's a very welcome development. it continues the path that starmer set out at blenheim in july, when european leaders came to the uk. he said then that he wanted to reset relations. france and germany are the two biggest and most powerful members of the european union, and i think it's a very logical next step for him to be going to

both of them and talking to them further about how things can progress. we left in 2020, as you've just been saying , but progress. we left in 2020, as you've just been saying, but in the years since then, we've been quite unnecessarily negative in our relations with europe and the opportunity to put them onto a more positive footing can only be a good thing. in a world where we now have the ukraine war on the european continent, we've got the migration problem that everybody continues to struggle with, and the prospects of sorting some of these things out are far better if we work together than if we're in our own little silos. >> are you hoping that this may be the beginning of a route back into the european union ? into the european union? >> i don't think this is intended to be that, but clearly the continent of europe has changed quite significantly in the years since we left because of the ukraine war and the european union has essentially

been an economic project. historically, it's all been about prosperity and building up the single market. but of course , the single market. but of course, economic success is built on secure foundations and the security of europe is now under threat in a way it never has really been since the end of the second world war. we can't ignore that. and britain has a part to play in that. it's in our interests and it's in mainland europe's interests. so i'm not at all surprised to hear the emphasis being put on defence and security during the course of that press conference with olaf scholz this morning. >> interesting, though, considering we've already got a defensive alliance that covers most european countries, but also canada and america and many other countries besides, it's called nato and sweden's just joined it. finland's just joined it. indeed. isn't that sort of our umbrella of protection? why? why would we want to create a sort of parallel defence union

here? isn't that just undermining what is the most successful military alliance in the world? >> no. absolutely not. you're quite right that nato remains the framework within which our security is achieved and is guaranteed. but you can hear voices from america and it's not only donald trump saying that europe needs to do far more on its own account to take responsibility for its own security. this is entirely within nato, but pulling more weight within nato. europe collectively spends a lot on defence, has quite substantial defence, has quite substantial defence forces. but because they're all done on a national basis, we don't really the punch that we should. so closer relations with europe and talking to the bigger countries in the first instance is a very logical, very sensible way. i don't think that's to ensure that we look all due respect , i that we look all due respect, i don't think that's necessarily true . true. >> you're saying that the only

problem in europe is that there's not one army, and the spending is exactly the same as the united states. i mean, that's nonsense. the spending is far lower than the united states. it's the spending that's the problem , not the fact that the problem, not the fact that there isn't one european army . there isn't one european army. >> i'm not calling for one european army. i'm talking for closer cooperation between the countries in europe who agreed they may not spend as much as america, but the continent of europe is the third biggest spender after america and china. but because it's all rather scattered, it's not really getting the best bang for the buck. if you'll excuse the expression in in the military context. so closer cooperation is the way to do it. i'm not talking about a single army. i'm not talking about a rival to nato. i'm talking about europe working more closely together to pull its weight inside nato. >> okay. well, thank you very much indeed, sir. nick harvey, ceo of european movement uk,

interesting, interesting . some interesting, interesting. some disagreement there. so, nick, when he says that it's always been about just the economy from its start, it wasn't only about economics. there was always an idea of this sort of glossy federalism where we'd all become one, all become one. europe jean—charles mollet start right from the beginning . right from from the beginning. right from the beginning. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> european partners a european dream, it is interesting, though. is this the new sort of tactic from those that sort of want the united kingdom to return to the european fold, just sort of an incremental step by step. oh, no, we're not going to do the whole thing now. no, no no no no, we wouldn't possibly dream of a european army, wouldn't possibly dream of rejoining the customs union or the single market. well just take a little step towards it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, and then maybe in a year we'll take a little further step towards it. >> how can you have proper european defence cooperation without actually joining up your armed forces? anyway, shall we bnng armed forces? anyway, shall we bring you some more on our breaking exclusive? today, more than 20,000 migrants have now crossed the english channel illegally so far this year.

>> well, the grim milestone was reached this morning as hundreds more made the journey in small boats from france. and to break this down is our home and security editor mark white >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. what >> good afternoon. what can >> good afternoon. what can you tell us? have we reached that mark, that milestone? >> yes, indeed. we have . we had >> yes, indeed. we have. we had reached . 19,820 odd yesterday reached. 19,820 odd yesterday when 526 people crossed the channelin when 526 people crossed the channel in small boats. but we're on course to surpass that number today. our producer down in kent, tells us at least 11 small boats are in the english channel. a couple have made it, to be picked up by border force and returned to the migrant processing centre at dover harbour . processing centre at dover harbour. others being picked up as we speak , and it looks like as we speak, and it looks like at least 650 will have crossed today. that will take the total

beyond 20,000 to 20,000, almost 20,500 for the year so far. and don't forget, we are now in the busiest period of the year when for the most part, it's flat, calm conditions and hundreds arrive every single day, which is exactly what we've seen in the last couple of days. flat, calm conditions, lots of people coming across. the government has actually been spared a little embarrassment in terms of it's been over a week of bad, unseasonably bad weather in the channel unseasonably bad weather in the channel, or we would have passed 20,000 more than a week ago, but now things have calmed down again. we're on course to rock it up, and i've been speaking to sources who say, without a doubt, we will easily surpass the 29,000 who crossed for the whole of last year. >> will this be the largest year of crossings on record, or can we not be certain of that yet?

>> i think that will probably that would be take a lot of doing, because the record year was over 45,000 who crossed the year before last, and there were lots of days of flat calm conditions there that allowed many people to cross on during that year . so we're going to be that year. so we're going to be well north of 29,000. so well into 30,000, something we might even top 40,000, but we just we just don't know. i mean , the just don't know. i mean, the weather can be unpredictable, but we know we're in the that penod but we know we're in the that period of the summer when it tends to be fairly good weather conditions. >> absolutely. and you've said for months how it's the weather that's the key factor in determining the numbers, so starmer is in germany today , the starmer is in germany today, the prime minister, he has apparently agreed a joint action plan with germany to tackle this issue, what might that include?

>> well, greater cooperation between the uk and europe , between the uk and europe, clearly, as far as the prime minister is concerned, the first thing he did in office was to scrap the previous government's rwanda deterrence scheme to put many asylum seekers to rwanda for processing. he wants to smash the gangs instead, and in, germany at that news conference, he doubled down on that decision to scrap rwanda. this is what he said. >> i have long said before the election that i thought the rwanda scheme was a gimmick, which is why we stood it down immediately. but nonetheless, it is very important that we take back control of our borders . i back control of our borders. i have long been convinced that the best way, the most effective way to do that is to take down the gangs that are running the vile trade of putting people in dangerous situations across europe and across the channel

and i said before the election that i would invest political capital in making sure we could work more effectively with our partners in taking down those gangs. and that's why i am very pleased today that we have had a substantive discussion. agreed to a joint action plan, and that will, as you would expect, deal with issues like data sharing, intelligence sharing, what we can do on joint operations, because that is the way to take effective action in relation to the vile trade that sits beneath irregular migration across europe and in particular, beneath the vile trade of putting people into small boats across the channel >> that was the prime minister using a lot of words to say , using a lot of words to say, perhaps not very much , but he perhaps not very much, but he used that term. there irregular migration. it seems that this is the new watchword for the government. have they thrown the word illegal migration out the window? >> they've gone back to what the

previous government did . previous government did. describe channel crossings as before. they passed the illegal migration bill, which deemed anyone crossing by irregular means, was actually entering the country illegally and therefore they should not be entitled except in very exceptional circumstances , to claim asylum, circumstances, to claim asylum, and they would be deemed an illegal immigrant. but clearly, this government has decided, whatever the law change says, that they're going to go back to just describing it in more placid terms as irregular migration rather than illegal. >> so is it going to become inaccurate in the united kingdom to describe channel migrants as illegal migrants? >> well, i don't think so, because there has been a change of law under the illegal migration bill. >> so until they repeal or amend that, that's what this is indicating, is perhaps an intention of the government to repeal that legislation, to return us to the situation. >> the country found before the

passage of that landmark bill. >> they might do or they might just decide to ignore it. and you know, continue to refer to it as irregular migration. i'm sure that's probably you know, rather than go through the comments again , and parliament comments again, and parliament again to put this legislation through, i don't think they necessarily need to do it because they're not asking for any special powers. they're just choosing to ignore the powers that are there. >> it's a hugely significant shift in language. if you go from calling someone an illegal migrant to an irregular migrant, well, that would suggest that you should be treating those migrants very differently from how you would if you deemed them illegal. >> well , look, it's not just the >> well, look, it's not just the change in language. there is, without a doubt, a significant shift in policy in the way in which those who cross from france, in these small boats will be dealt with before, as i

say, under the previous government, you would not be eligible to claim asylum. now you will be allowed to claim asylum. not just that the government is determined to reduce that backlog rapidly, and as we already know, because we've discussed this before, the majority, the vast majority of those crossing are from countries where we can never send the people back to because they're deemed unsafe. so they are simply going to be allowed to stay. it's either asylum by name or it's asylum in any other name, because it is leave to remain in the uk and mark, as you've explained as we speak , 11 you've explained as we speak, 11 boats. >> 11 boats are in the english channel with our authorities sat there meekly , just watching them there meekly, just watching them come across, waiting for them to cross that half way point before we perhaps pick them up and take them to shore. it is such a visceral example of a lack of

power, of a lack of authority, of an impotence, of this country, and also points to the question i'm sure is on the lips of many of those watching and listening, which is why on earth do the french not choose to pick up illegal migrants as soon as they get in the water, they have responsibility for half of that channel. and yet they say, not our problem, guv. as soon as a boat touches that water. >> yes, well, you're right there. as soon as the boat is in there. as soon as the boat is in the water, the french have taken a decision that then it is too dangerous in their eyes to intervene to push that boat back to shore. so they leave it . they to shore. so they leave it. they offer to rescue the inhabitants offer to rescue the inhabitants of that boat and to take them on board and return them to france. but every time the migrants, of course, refuse that offer and want to continue on their journey and only ever accept that offer if they are in serious difficulties. if the

boatis serious difficulties. if the boat is floundering, people are in the water, etc. so what you get is, the sight of these french vessels effectively escorting the small boats until they get to the halfway point to that line that separates french waters from uk waters . once they waters from uk waters. once they cross the line, then those migrants are only too happy to be picked up by the uk authorities because that's their goal to be taken into uk custody, to go to in the asylum system. but the issue around whether anything will change is a long, long way off because it's going to. although the current government is focused on smashing the gangs to get the investigatory process beefed up to the extent of going after the criminal gangs trying to dismantle the criminal criminal gangs if they can ever achieve that fully, is going to take an awful long time. they're only in

the process now of recruiting more investigators. that's going to take time in itself. then you've got to investigate. and these things are lengthy in duration . you know, they're duration. you know, they're multi—dimensional over multiple countries involving serious , countries involving serious, organised criminals that know how to commit crime and get away with it. >> well, thank you very much indeed. mark white. our homeland security editor. let us know what you make of all of that 20,021 year so far . 20,021 year so far. >> what a what an example of the impotence of the british state of sort of how we see the boats there in the middle of the channel and we can't do anything. we don't touch them, we can't do anything, we can't we can't do anything, we can't we can't do anything, we can't we can't stop the boats. in fact, we in fact, we bring the boats to us. could you imagine britain doing this 100 years ago? >> no, i can't, i can't. and in more bad news, sorry, there are

fewer than 100 spaces now left in men's prisons in the whole of england and wales. what repercussions will this have on the state of britain? after your headunes the state of britain? after your headlines with sofia ? headlines with sofia? >> emily. thank you. it's 1230. >> emily. thank you. it's1230. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. the prime minister has been holding a joint news conference with german chancellor olaf scholz in berlin after pledging to reset relations with the eu. sir keir starmer is in germany to launch negotiations on a new bilateral treaty, which hopes to boost business and increase joint action on illegal migration. the prime minister is on a two day trip to berlin and paris to turn a corner on brexit and fix a broken relationships left behind by the previous government. speaking moments ago, sir keir starmer described it as a moment of opportunity to deepen links between uk and germany . between uk and germany. >> this treaty is part of a

wider reset grounded in a new spirit of cooperation with our shared understanding that this will be developed at pace and that we hope to have agreed it by the end of the year. a britain reconnected , resetting britain reconnected, resetting our relationship , rediscovering our relationship, rediscovering our relationship, rediscovering our common interests, delivering for working people britain and germany already have an incredible relationship. two great countries brought closer together than ever before. the strongest strategic partners in europe and on the world stage . europe and on the world stage. >> now to bring you more on that breaking news, gb news can exclusively reveal that more than 20,000 migrants have crossed the english channel illegally so far this year. the milestone was reached this morning as hundreds more made the journey in small boats from france. it's after 526 people arrived illegally in uk waters

in eight dinghies yesterday . two in eight dinghies yesterday. two british crew members of the bayesian, the superyacht that sank off sicily last week, have been placed under investigation by the local prosecutor's office. seven people were killed when the bayesian sank, with owner, british tech tycoon mike lynch and his daughter, 18 year old hannah, amongst those who died. both mr parker eaton and matthew griffith, the lookout crew members on duty during the sinking, have been placed under investigation and the israeli military has launched a major operation in the west bank, palestinian health officials claim at least nine people have been killed in the strikes at. the israeli army confirmed today that they had begun what they said was an operation to counter terrorism in jenin and tulkarm . terrorism in jenin and tulkarm. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct

to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon britain. it is 3334 now, minutes past 12 and there are fewer than 100 spaces left in men's prisons in england and wales. >> yes, let that sit. now, the system already in the middle of an overcrowding crisis is understood to be close to breaking point. after increased strain over the bank holiday weekend. well, on friday, magistrates were told to delay jailing criminals as the government hopes to make more than 500 spaces available in the coming weeks. well, joining us, i know, goodness me, what a state. joining us now is sam bidwell, writer at the critic and research fellow at the henry jackson society. sam, how did we get here? and just how perilous

is the state of our prisons at the moment? well, look. >> thanks both for having me. and i've got to say, this has been coming down the track for a very, very long time. this is no surprise. >> successive governments have refused to increase our prison capacity. they've refused to build more prisons. they've refused to look at the amount of sentences we're giving out. and as a result , sentences we're giving out. and as a result, of course, we're going to end up with an overcrowding crisis. we've got serious issues with crime on the streets. everybody's aware of this , and yet we haven't seen this, and yet we haven't seen a corresponding increase in prison capacity. we've not seen any more prisons built over time. it's very difficult as as anybody who's dealt with the british planning system knows, to get big infrastructure through, let alone when it's a prison. you know, who wants a prison. you know, who wants a prison just on that? >> yeah, i believe there are. there is at least one prison thatis there is at least one prison that is due to open in 2025. will that be replacing space or will that be creating additional capacity? apologies if you don't know exactly which one. a little bit of both. >> it's a little bit of both. so some of it will come in to replace capacity at prisons, which will have to be closed down or renovated. in the meantime some of it will be brand new capacity, but you know, at the end of the day, this isn't something that can

wait until 2025. you know, frankly, what we've seen since that decision on friday, since that decision on friday, since that guidance to magistrates on friday, we've seen a case in which a child rapist was spared prison time because of, you know, explicitly because of this capacity issue . now, at the same capacity issue. now, at the same time, what we're seeing is people getting jail time for anti—immigration facebook memes in the wake of these riots in southport. so, you know , southport. so, you know, regardless of how we got here and frankly, i think governments of both parties bear the blame of both parties bear the blame over a number of decades. and over a number of decades. and the fact is that the government the fact is that the government is not responding to this in a is not responding to this in a sensible way. it isn't taking sensible way. it isn't taking appropriate or sufficiently appropriate or sufficiently radical upfront action. you know, let's say, you know, you radical upfront action. you know, let's say, you know, you look at covid, we needed look at covid, we needed additional hospital capacity. we additional hospital capacity. we built nightingale hospitals, you built nightingale hospitals, you know, put a barge outside, you know, put a barge outside, you know, put a barge outside, you know, off the coast. we've used that the blame know, put a barge outside, you know, off the coast. we've used the bibby stockholm before. we the bibby stockholm before. we can use it again. there are can use it again. there are there are short term things. we there are short term things. we can be doing to supplement our can be doing to supplement our prison capacity. those are not prison capacity. those are not the steps. the government is the steps. the government is choosing to take. instead, the choosing to take. instead, the government is talking about making lighter sentences, government is talking about making lighter sentences, sentencing fewer people. that sentencing fewer people. that is, more radical a position than is, more radical a position than

my position, which is simply my position, which is simply that we ought to build some emergency capacity when it really wants to . the state can really wants to. the state can be very effective. this is an issue of will. this is not an issue of will. this is not an issue of will. this is not an issue of capacity. >> 10 to 15% of sentences go to foreign criminals. those who the government would be within their rights to think , send back to rights to think, send back to the country they are a citizen of. if they're not a british citizen. yet, that doesn't seem to be an avenue that the government chooses to explore

that list of foreign criminals who the supreme court of this country determines as unsafe countries . countries. >> yeah, but hang on. look, look, look, look. the number one is albania. number two is poland. number three romania. four ireland. five jamaica. those are all safe countries, aren't they , aren't they, >> we certainly have a deal with albania . i'm surprised that albania. i'm surprised that that's 1273 albanian criminals that's1273 albanian criminals in british jails. i. surely there must be a reason we can't all. surely there must be a reason why they're not being sent back to albania. well, look, this kind of sensible and straightforward thinking is why you're not in the home office. >> if you were, you'd be nowhere near it. the fact is that this is low hanging fruit that we could be choosing to pick. the issue is, as you say, it's this lawfare problem that we've got. the courts will, yes, accept that the country is safe in principle, but we'll also point to things like somebody's lifestyle, somebody's politics as an example as to why they can't get sent back home. >> even if the country is deemed

lawful, it might be unsafe to send a specific individual due to family like circumstances. >> exactly. and of course, what you have. so let's take take the albanian, group that you mentioned there. many of those individuals will be involved with gang crime, right. therefore, of course, it's unsafe to send them back home because they're affiliated to a gang that could put them in dangeh gang that could put them in danger, either from the government or from another gang, and thus it's impossible to send them back. i mean, sam, can i just point out one horrific story that we've focused on a little bit today? >> and it's an example of clearly our broken criminal justice system. so a man, mohammad hassan, 26, he assaulted three asian women at a petrol station in broad daylight. he called them prostitutes . he said they were prostitutes. he said they were dressed inappropriately. and essentially grabbed them, punched them, seriously harmed them. £500 fine, suspended sentence, a bit of rehab, a little bit of unpaid work. jobs are good and well, look, if he's on his best behaviour, he won't see a single day in jail. >> right. that's that's that's

the fact. and, you know, we talk about foreign crime. we can also talk about the kind of crimes that have emerged, because of our failure to integrate particular communities over, over a long period of time. we've we've seen a large number of people with very different social and ethical norms come in. i think mr hassan is a is a bradford man, but at the end of the day, what we're seeing is, is, is really horrific violent crime . this is not a question crime. this is not a question of, of letting somebody off for shoplifting, which by the way , shoplifting, which by the way, is practically legal at this at this point, what we're talking about now is giving people little, you know, a few sentences or no sentences, saying you must be on your best behaviour, otherwise you'll go to jail. but of course, these criminals know that because our as you say, as our prison system is, is bursting at the seams, there is absolutely no prospect of them seeing jail time, even if they misbehave. >> extraordinary that the government says that this is a crisis. things are getting worse before they get better. and there isn't. this sense of sort of a national push to build the nightingale prisons, as you mentioned, to, to sort of expedite expedition. extraditions or whatever. it's very strange.

>> the crisis behave like there's a crisis. you know, we've had crises before. we had we've had crises before. we had we had a crisis during the pandemic. we've had crises in the past. many many times. and we know that when it really raised. well let's get more of thisknow the ' " " raised. well let's get more of thisknow that ' " " raised. well let's get more of thisknow that when " raised. well let's get more of thisknow that when it " raised. well let's get more of wants to, the british state can thisknow that when it really " we know that when it really wants to, the british state can actually get its act together. actually get its act together. it can work around these these it can work around these these judges, these regulators, these judges, these regulators, these civil servants. it can get it civil servants. it can get it done. civil servants. it can get it done . we saw it with the done. civil servants. it can get it done . we saw it with the done. we saw it with the vaccines task force. it can get done. we saw it with the vaccines task force. it can get it done. we are choosing not to. it done. we are choosing not to. this is an issue of political this is an issue of political will. will. >> absolutely. and our home >> absolutely. and our home secretary talking about treating secretary talking about treating extreme misogyny as a terror extreme misogyny as a terror ideology, also talking about, ideology, also talking about, you know, talking about you know, talking about recording more non—hate crime recording more non—hate crime incidents. non—crime hate incidents. non—crime hate incidents. non—crime hate incidents. i mean, the priorities. sam bidwell thank incidents. non—crime hate incidents. i mean, the priorities. sam bidwell thank you very much indeed. writer at you very much indeed. writer at the critic and research fellow the critic and research fellow at the henry jackson society. at the henry jackson society. >> well, now, a new study >> well, now, a new study suggests empathy can be suggests empathy can be effectively taught in schools, effectively taught in schools, potentially reducing social potentially reducing social unrest. yes. unrest. yes. >> so through a video led >> so through a video led course, children in several course, children in several countries, including the united countries, including the united kingdom, were shown thought kingdom, were shown thought provoking films before engaging provoking films before engaging in half an hour of activities in half an hour of activities and discussions about the issues and discussions about the issues raised. well let's get more of raised. well let's get more of

this from the this from the founder of empathy studios, the company behind the course, ed kirwan. >> ed, thanks forjoining us, i was sort of led to believe that people have almost slightly immutable character traits that are rather more nature than nurture. are you saying it's the opposite? >> not saying it's the opposite, but i would say that empathy definitely can be taught. it's something that can be nurtured just like any other skill. and i think the crucial bit here is that empathy is a skill rather than a trait or an act. and fundamentally, we also think that a lot of people disagree or don't quite know what empathy truly is, which we describe it as the ability to understand another and the ability to, you know, really get into understanding the perspectives, the feelings. but also it's about understanding yourself. and lots of people think about empathy as kindness or helping other people. and of course, those things are linked. but

empathy really is about understanding how much better a world would it be if we actually understood each other a little bit more before we acted? >> yeah, it probably would be a nicer place. are our children lacking in empathy ? lacking in empathy? >> well, we certainly know that we can help improve their empathy. and i think what's difficult now is with the rise of social media and technology, that we have almost these inbuilt algorithms that show us what we want to see, show us, tell us what we want to hear and ultimately, we close ourselves off from a lot of the perspectives of other people around the world. and as we know, the world is getting more diverse and we're having to zoom in and meet people from other countries and our workplaces . countries and our workplaces. our neighbourhood diversity has doubled in the uk in the past 20 years. from census data. i think that's a wonderful thing, and i think it brings with it experiences that we can learn from. but what we need to do is actually learn, therefore, how to connect with other people , to connect with other people, disagreements shouldn't be seen as arguments. they should be seen as different points of

view. and i think what we're trying to do is ultimately show that if you can develop the skill of empathy, which we now have shown, you can and other studies have shown you can as well, we can actually decrease hate online. we can decrease comments online. we can actually improve wellbeing, increase self—esteem. we all want our children to actually we talk about happiness and kindness. we actually want our children to go to school, develop a sense of self and be able to connect with other people. and that's what we're trying to achieve. and what we're showing. >> so there's this there's this study that has shown that this course works . how do you how do course works. how do you how do you test someone's empathy? how do you how do you determine if someone is empathetic or otherwise. >> so it's difficult . it's done >> so it's difficult. it's done from like pre and post and then in surveys as well as students reporting themselves but mostly done through teacher feedback and surveys as well as qualitative studies. it is you're right. it is quite a difficult thing to study. and there's conflicting ways of collecting this data and analysing. but ultimately what

we've done is with cambridge university followed a scheme where we take them through this programme. we look at it before we look at it, after we compare results from those and have shown that's where we've got the numbers from. in terms of improved behaviour, that is teachers reporting that number. yeah. and you're right, it is. it is a difficult thing to do. but you know everything that's measured is not always important. and everything that is important, it can't always be measured. and what we're doing is showing that you

measured. and what we're doing is sho as1g that you measured. and what we're doing is sho as just at you measured. and what we're doing is sho as just being kind to same as just being kind to someone or tolerant to someone. it's actually something that unfortunately people like sociopaths simply don't have . sociopaths simply don't have. >> yeah, it's the it's the ability to understand another and gain their perspective. but also and you know, really distance yourself as well and the times that you need to. so we have a program that's empathy for myself, empathy for others and empathy in action. that is our framework. and what people lean into with empathy is they always think it's about sharing what other people are doing. and feeling and completely encompassing yourself in that person, and therefore you're connecting, when actually we always start with empathy for myself, which for me is this ability, and for us is this ability, and for us is this ability to understand your own culture, your own religion, your own background, where you come from and understand that your worldview is simply only yours, and then you are actually able to connect with someone better because you might be speaking from someone for example, from a different religion, and you completely fundamentally disagree with their religion because you think yours is right. but by doing that, you

actually are able to hold yourself back, listen to them, understand them better, and you can still leave that conversation knowing that you've connected with that person, even if you disagree with a fundamental part of their life. and i think it's a really, really important point. >> and perhaps it would be a great thing for people who are of different political opinions. yeah, it might be nice doing as well. ed kirwan, founder of empathy studios, really appreciate your time this afternoon. thanks for joining us. >> us. >> i show you a lot of empathy, don't i? >> yeah. and i show you. well, you don't know if i show you empathy. i could just be a sociopath and be very good at faking it. >> i didn't say it. i didn't say it. anyway, this is good afternoon, britain on gb news. you know what? it would be nice if people could just. you know, be a bit tolerant of people who don't agree with them. >> it's true. but this is the thing about measuring it, right? it's third parties measuring. does this person seem more empathetic? you don't know if you don't know if they're being fake it as well. >> you can fake it. >> you can fake it. >> they could just be very good at learning to pretend that they're empathetic and then totally fake all the same. >> lots more coming up on today's show, yvette cooper is reportedly planning to strengthen hate crime laws by encouraging the police to spend more time recording more

non—crime hate incidents , non—crime hate incidents, something the conservatives opposed to protect free speech. all of that and more to come. you're with gb news. we're on britain's news channel the where's the are

>> good afternoon britain. it is >> good afternoon britain. it is 1251 and this is good afternoon 1251 and this is good afternoon britain. britain. >> it is indeed now the home >> it is indeed now the home secretary. she's going to secretary. she's going to require police to record more require police to record more non—crime hate incidents. now, non—crime hate incidents. now, this is a reversal of changes this is a reversal of changes made by the conservatives to made by the conservatives to protect free speech. >> well, it would reverse those protect free speech. >> well, it would reverse those changes introduced last year by changes introduced last year by former home secretary suella former home secretary suella braverman, which issued new braverman, which issued new guidance to police that guidance to police that downgraded the duty to monitor downgraded the duty to monitor these sort of non—criminal hate these sort of non—criminal hate incidents. okay incidents. okay >> well, joining us is mo >> well, joining us is mo lavette, a program coordinator lavette, a program coordinator at the academy of ideas. mo, at the academy of ideas. mo,

thank you very much indeed. thank you very much indeed. these non—crime hate incidents have been a bit controversial, haven't they? i mean, what exactly are they? and should police be spending time recording them ? recording them? >> yeah. so i mean they are concerning i mean they are basically thought police, thought policing in the most, you know, dire way you can expect because basically what, what they are they're not crimes but they're deemed to be hateful behaviour that could lead to hostility or escalation into something that is a crime. >> so basically, in order to kind of understand what that is, in order to that, for that to be recorded , somebody other than recorded, somebody other than the perpetrator, let's call them that for the second, has to deem it to be, hateful. so you're essentially trying to establish motive. and when i say you're essentially trying to establish motive, i'm not talking about a judicial process. >> the court of law or a jury of my peers. i'm talking about the person that perceives they've been the victim of hateful conduct or the police themselves. >> so it has no judicial

process. it is predominantly about what we say. because how else do you decide, you know, somebody is being hateful, but essentially being hateful is not a crime. it's not nice, but it's not a crime. >> i suppose to play devil's advocate, the idea behind them would be that the police need to keep tabs on people who aren't yet criminals, but might turn into criminals. so keeping these files on hateful people in society might be useful, because the most hateful people might then go off to do something illegal later down the line. what do you say to that? >> yeah, well, i mean, i was thinking about a similar example where you have like community when we in the old fashioned days when we had community policing and the policeman might know troublemakers on an estate or something like that, and they might keep notes, so you could argue it's similar to that , but argue it's similar to that, but it's not really for a start. >> and there's no context. it's data driven, so it just becomes without context on a file, and it can be interpreted by somebody else in a completely

different way. >> it's not quite that kind of personalised community policing, but also, tom, i mean, the thing is, and i think we see this right across the board, something i'm very concerned aboutis something i'm very concerned about is the presumption of innocence is being eroded. the presumption of innocence is there for, you know , it's there there for, you know, it's there for a reason. >> it's an important democratic right. it stops kind of authoritarian measures by those in authority. and we've seen this time and time again. in authority. and we've seen this time and time again . so not this time and time again. so not only is this a, you know, a threat to free speech, it is also an erosion of the presumption of innocence. >> yes, and mo, we've been talking today about the state of our criminal justice system, the lack of spaces in our prisons , lack of spaces in our prisons, soft sentences, you know, shoplifting practically being legal in this country at the moment. there's a shocking story that we're hearing about today about a man in bradford who essentially beat up three women because they weren't wearing what he deemed to be appropriate clothing, and he got away with a £500 fine and a bit of rehab.

and then on the other hand, we see that our home secretary is considering putting more police resources into non—criminal incidents. i mean, make it make sense. >> yeah, exactly. well, it doesn't really. i mean , if you doesn't really. i mean, if you see it in the context of identity and identity politics in the broader culture war, you can see there is this, urge by the authorities to kind of police what we speech rather than , you know, actual crime than, you know, actual crime where something, you know, has physically happened. and i suppose in a sense they would may make sense of that because they don't have very much money. >> it's a lot easier to sit at a computer and, you know, scour people's media, social media content ,

think the other thing is, as well, you know, we have to see this in the context of labour's reaction to the riots. and let's have the usual qualifiers, that rioting is unacceptable. and, you know , throwing bricks at you know, throwing bricks at mosques and all the rest of it is unacceptable of course it is, but i think they're they don't understand that those riots, those protests , they happen for those protests, they happen for a reason. >> there's a context to why people are angry and taken to the streets. >> but rather than solve that problem, they'd just like to silence any kind of criticism and stop us from, you know, having a view on their policy. and the thing is, that is not going to solve problems of prejudice. i hear anti—semitism, iheah prejudice. i hear anti—semitism, i hear, anti—muslim prejudice , i hear, anti—muslim prejudice, but this isn't going to solve it. >> quietening people down. >> quietening people down. >> we need to discuss and debate these things. >> well, mo lavette, thank you so much forjoining us this so much for joining us this afternoon. program coordinator at the academy of ideas. of course. really appreciate your time. this afternoon. >> yes. well, stick with us. we've got lots more coming up. we're going to be back in berlin because sir keir starmer wants to reset relations with europe.

what does that mean ?

well good afternoon britain. it is 1:00 on wednesday the 28th of august. i'm emily carver and i'm tom harwood now. gb news can exclusively reveal to you that more than 20,000 migrants have crossed the english channel illegally so far this year. we'll have the latest on those shocking numbers. >> it comes as sir keir starmer is in germany in search of a new treaty. the prime minister insists the country is turning a corner on brexit. but does he have a plan to take us back into the bloc? >> hold my beer. the boss of ryanair has suggested introducing a two drink limit, just a two drink limit for passengers at airports to prevent violent behaviour on his aeroplanes. >> and a four year old boy has caused a stir after smashing a

rare 3500 year old urn into pieces at a museum in israel. but why on earth was it on display without any protections? good >> now, tom suggested we cover this story. this 3500 year old urn that smashed to pieces tell us why. >> i just think everyone has been to a museum. that's true . been to a museum. that's true. where they've seen. hopefully, perhaps slightly worried parents or grandparents with perhaps less than ruly children. and perhaps we've been those slightly unruly children once upon a time, just sort of thinking, oh my goodness me, what if the worst happens? and this is an example of the absolute worst happening. it's just the nightmare scenario for so many families in what's

supposed to be, you know, a grander, particularly over the summer holidays, you sort of you go and visit these sorts of museums, don't you? but my goodness me, you don't expect to break. you don't expect to break a vase that's older than king solomon. well, at least it wasn't, you know, extinction rebellion or just stop oil or animal rebellion that went in and tried to give them ideas. >> emily, don't destroy everything in there. but yes, it's a sad sight, isn't it? i would be very scared if i'd done that. but apparently, apparently , that. but apparently, apparently, they don't need to pay it back. they're letting them off. well, we'll find out. >> pay back a priceless vase. >> pay back a priceless vase. >> you can't really, can you? >> you can't really, can you? >> we'll be speaking to an expert. glue it back together a little bit later in the program. but of course, get your views and opinions in gbnews.com/yoursay is the way to get involved. whether it's about the urn or indeed the record number of migrants coming across either either either either end of the spectrum today, that's all to come after your headlines with sofia .

with sofia. >> tom. emily. thank you. good afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's just gone. 1:00. your headlines. the prime minister says a new uk germany treaty will be part of a wider reset with europe. sir keir starmer is in germany to launch negotiations on a new bilateral treaty, which hopes to boost business and increase joint action on illegal migration. speaking during a joint news conference with german chancellor olaf scholz in berlin, he described it as a moment of opportunity to deepen links between uk and germany. >> this treaty is part of a wider reset grounded in a new spirit of cooperation with our shared understanding that this will be developed at pace and that we hope to have agreed it by the end of the year. a britain reconnected , resetting britain reconnected, resetting our relationship , rediscovering our relationship, rediscovering our relationship, rediscovering our common interests , delivering

our common interests, delivering for working people, britain and germany already have an incredible relationship. two great countries brought closer together than ever before. the strongest strategic partners in europe and on the world stage. >> meanwhile, back in the uk, the chancellor has addressed sir keir starmer's warning that the autumn budget will be painful. speaking a short while ago in scotland, rachel reeves defended the government's decision on winter fuel payments. >> the truth is that these are not decisions that i wanted to make, but these are decisions we have to make given the inheritance that we face from the conservative government, and there will be more difficult decisions to come in the budget later this year. but the stark reality after the mess that the previous conservative government have left this labour government to inherit, it means difficult decisions. but without difficult decisions. but without difficult decisions we are going to face serious problems with our public finances. i will not take the risks that the conservatives

have taken previously that would put our economy in danger. >> now gb news can reveal that more than 20,000 migrants have crossed the english channel illegally so far this year. the milestone was reached this morning as hundreds more made the journey in small boats from france. it's after 526 people arrived illegally in uk waters in eight dinghies yesterday . in eight dinghies yesterday. there are just 100 spaces left in male prisons across england and wales, according to the ministry of justice, with reports this is the closest a system has come to running out of places. it comes after the activation of early dawn, where defendants in active court cases are kept in police cells until standard prison spaces open up. now, with hundreds more arrested from riots and notting hill carnival disorder over recent days and weeks, there are concerns prisons may run out of capacity. shadow leader of the house of commons chris philp has

called for more spaces during last year. >> every week there are about 100 additional net additional prison places were created by the previous justice secretary, alex chalk, so they were bringing on 100 more places each week than were being retired or withdrawn for refurbishment. so i think the solution to this is more prison places. and in the very short term, these rapid deployment cells are dcs are what i would like to be see being used now a prison workshop instructor has appeared in court over an alleged inappropriate relationship with zara. >> alina's murderer, 33 year old hayley jones, has been charged with misconduct in a public office, having allegedly acted in a way which amounted to an abuse of the public's trust. jordan mcsweeney is serving 33 years at hmp belmarsh for the killing and sexual assault of the 35 year old law graduate, zara aleena. the israeli

military has launched a major operation in the west bank. palestinian health officials claim at least nine people have been killed in the strikes. the israeli army confirmed today that they had begun what they said was an operation to counter terrorism in jenin and tulkarm , terrorism in jenin and tulkarm, and ryanair chief executive michael o'leary has called for alcohol limits in airports to tackle a rise in disorder on flights. he said passengers should be restricted to two dnnks should be restricted to two drinks per journey to kerb. what he says is an increase in anti—social behaviour and violence. he told the daily telegraph violent outbursts are occurring weekly, with alcohol, especially when mixed with other substances. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com

forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon britain. it is 1:07 and now we're going to bnng 1:07 and now we're going to bring you more on our breaking exclusive. more than 20,000 migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel illegally so far this year. >> the milestone was reached this morning as hundreds more made the journey in small boats from france. well, to break this down is our homeland security edhoh down is our homeland security editor, mark white. so yes, that 20,000 milestone has now been surpassed. >> yes, indeed. for years we had, of course, labour and opposition correctly accusing the previous government of losing control of its borders and unable to stop the flow of small boats coming into the uk . small boats coming into the uk. well, now labour is in charge. thatis well, now labour is in charge. that is their problem to deal with and it's a problem that far

from going away, is increasing in terms of the numbers coming across , the 20,000 milestone was across, the 20,000 milestone was reached this morning when hundreds more small boats , small hundreds more small boats, small boat migrants were spotted in engush boat migrants were spotted in english waters. our producer down in kent estimates something in the region of 11 small boats, one border force vessel, defender, has just arrived in the last ten minutes into dover. he counted our producer. the number of people getting off that border force boat. it was 156. so split that between it had picked up two small boatloads at 78 on each of these small boats that are absolutely packed out today. and if you extrapolate that across the 11 small boats, you're talking more than 800, 850 migrants. we're into record territory for the

year so far. and this is now under labour's watch. when they have said that they are going to stop the trade in people across the english channel by smashing the english channel by smashing the gangs, mark the boats, the ship that picks up migrants at sea and brings them to our to our shore is called defender. there are several of these border force vessels called defender and typhoon and various other. >> i put it to you that perhaps it should change its name to ferry . ferry. >> well, that's certainly one potential name that i could mention to border force. they may well be willing to take this on board, but i get what you're saying, because it does act effectively as a ferry . once the effectively as a ferry. once the border force vessel know that the small boat migrants have crossed into uk waters , their crossed into uk waters, their job is to intercept that boat, to pick those migrants up and to

take them to dover for processing. so in that sense, yes, it is a ferry. >> right . >> right. >> right. >> okay. well, mark white, thank you very much. our homeland security editor. now, while this is all going on in the channel, another record day. sir keir starmer, he's in berlin. he's seeking an ambitious new treaty with germany, something he describes as a once in a generation chance to deliver for working people. >> well, appearing at a press conference alongside the german chancellor, the prime minister said the new bilateral agreement will seek to boost trade, increase cooperation around areas like defence. >> well, joining us now is gb news political correspondent, katherine forster. catherine tell us more . tell us more. >> yes. good afternoon, tom and emily. well, a wildly busy couple of days for the prime minister yesterday in the rose garden talking about painful decisions today in germany , decisions today in germany, talking about potentially a new treaty with germany. our second biggest trading partner , that

biggest trading partner, that they hope to agree by the end of they hope to agree by the end of the year. after this , he's going the year. after this, he's going off to france. he'll be at the paralympic opening ceremony, and he will be meeting emmanuel macron tomorrow . now, this is macron tomorrow. now, this is all part of what he says he wants a reset of relations with our european neighbours. of course , he campaigned years ago course, he campaigned years ago for a second referendum, but he says that this is not about reversing brexit, that there's no going back into the customs union or the single market, but nevertheless , he wants better nevertheless, he wants better relations. so a lot of talk in the press conference about security, about defence, emphasising their joint commitment to ukraine. also to a two state solution in the middle east, to israel's right to defend itself, but also to act within international law , etc,

within international law, etc, and some defence agreement may be forthcoming sooner than this broader treaty . but sir keir broader treaty. but sir keir starmer, talking about growth and hoping to improve, economic relations, hoping that that can help to grow our economy , which help to grow our economy, which help to grow our economy, which he said is our number one mission for him. and that's quite difficult, though, isn't it? because, of course , we are it? because, of course, we are not in the european union. so germany is very restricted in what it can do in that sense, because we're not part of it. and also the eu is likely to want something in return for anything that it gives us. but i think more positively, we did hear about increased cooperation, about illegal migration. germany had those terrorist terrorist attack just over a week ago. and it does sound like britain and germany

have agreed to more security cooperation and working together to smash the gangs. >> really interesting point there , catherine. of course it there, catherine. of course it can't be a trade deal. germany doesn't control its own trade policy set at a european level. katherine forster, thank you so much for the overview there. we're going to head now straight to berlin and speak to the editor in chief of nie us, juuan editor in chief of nie us, julian reichelt. julian, thank you so much forjoining us. thanks for having me. i or julian, perhaps, i suppose it's so much easier. >> say, julian. >> say, julian. >> oh, brilliant. what does this mean to germany, the german people noticing what is going on here with with sir keir starmer's visit. >> not very much, i would say, because the focus here in germany is so much on that isis terrorist attack that we have witnessed a few days ago. so the political debate is all about the illegal migration issue. and i've just watched your programme and seen that the 20,000 people

arriving in the uk illegally is arriving in the uk illegally is a huge, alarming number for you . a huge, alarming number for you. so if your prime minister wants to get some advice on how to lose control over the situation, our chancellor olaf scholz, is the perfect guy to talk to because there will be 300,000 people coming to germany illegally within this year. so this is what the debate is about. and, you know, i watched the press conference and, you know, they're debating a huge reset and a treaty they want to sign. i would argue, you know, if the uk wants to do something historically a great reset with germany. olaf scholz will be the wrong man to talk to. you know, i would say that, you know, it doesn't even make sense to really remember his name because after what has happened in the past days , i would say this man past days, i would say this man is, you know, politically dead . is, you know, politically dead. he's going into two regional elections in the next days that he will lose in a landslide. there's lots of talk about revolution within his own social democratic party , you know, and democratic party, you know, and his job is on the line. and no one in germany knows if he will

make it through the next week politically. so, you know, signing a treaty with him by the end of the year. i highly doubt that's going to happen. >> thing is, this whole thing is a is a pointless exercise . a is a pointless exercise. really. nothing is going to come out of it because olaf scholz himself is on borrowed time. but the thing is, keir starmer has just been elected, so he's ready to speak to everyone. >> yes. so that's kind of what made the press conference interesting. not so much the words because it was very much controlled. olaf scholz took questions that were clearly controlled by his press person before, so he could address the whole immigration issue. but what you could see there was you know, one social democrat prime minister who was , you know, very minister who was, you know, very much alive and vivid just being elected and one social democrat who is, you know, basically politically dead. and i think that that was the main reason for olaf scholz, you know, doing this. keir starmer, for him, stands for a social democrat

movement, you know, that can still win. and that is something olaf certainly is not going to experience in his political career anymore. >> it is so interesting to look at the fate of olaf scholz. of course, it was only in 2021 when he led his to party first place, displacing the conservative the christian democrats in germany. after however many years 15, 16, 17 years in power in germany, a long, long, long time and now he's in third place in the polls. now he's crashed to down 15% in the polls. i mean , is 15% in the polls. i mean, is this a trajectory that perhaps sir keir starmer might follow if he follows the policy agenda of olaf scholz >> if he takes advice from olaf scholz on illegal migration, thatis scholz on illegal migration, that is a trajectory he will follow because that's a policy that olaf scholz has implemented the policy of doing nothing, of not protecting any border. you know , not putting a meaningful know, not putting a meaningful force on the border that will protect the country from illegal

immigration. that is what is driving down olaf schulz's poll. it is the economy. of course, the economy in germany is doing horribly. so also there, you know , an economic treaty between know, an economic treaty between the uk and germany is an economic treaty with the country on the way down. but what is really , really driving down olaf really, really driving down olaf scholz is migration. and the crime that comes with it . crime that comes with it. >> julian, is it olaf schulz's fault, really? i mean, it was angela merkel who opened the door. d00h >> yeah, absolutely. it was angela merkel. bear in mind that olaf scholz was in government with angela merkel for many years before he became chancellor. he was in charge of finances here in germany . but he finances here in germany. but he has continued. he has he has chosen to continue. angela merkel completely failed policies. he's also in a coalition with the green party thatis coalition with the green party that is even more no borders, no nafions that is even more no borders, no nations , open borders. welcome nations, open borders. welcome everyone. so he has zero political wiggle room to actually actually do something

about it. i will just give you one great example. so this attack, this heinous terror attack, this heinous terror attack, isis returning to germany happened in the city of berlin. the mayor of the city of soungen berlin. the mayor of the city of solingen is a party friend, social democrat of olaf scholz, who is accused by the local prosecutor of being part of a trafficking. a human trafficking organisation, a human trafficking crime ring that kind of tells you how hopeless the social democrats are when it comes to doing something about it. they are very much part of the problem in the city where this illegal immigrant turned isis killed three people. >> well, it sounds like you don't have much , much trust in don't have much, much trust in this joint action plan that they've just agreed to on illegal migration. julian reichelt , very interesting to reichelt, very interesting to speak to you, editor in chief of inaya us. and in berlin. >> it is it is fascinating to get the german perspective here. really interesting. so often our snarky media in this country rightly points out to when, when bofis rightly points out to when, when boris johnson had a world leader over when he was in a, in a bit

of political trouble to try and seem statesman like on olaf is doing exactly what olaf scholz is doing. >> but no one's listening because of the horror horror show that was last week. yeah, we've got lots more coming up on today's show. should there be should there be an alcohol limit at airports? is it getting out of control? the boss of ryanair is calling for a two drink limit to reduce the risk of violent behaviour on flights. well let us know your thoughts

>> good afternoon britain. it's 1:23 now the ceo of ryanair, michael o'leary, is calling for a strict two drink limit at airports to kerb violent behaviour on flights. >> i don't know how that would work in practice, so incidents of passenger altercations on

flights are on the rise and so the debate over how to handle these intoxicated travellers is heating up. so could limiting alcohol be the solution, or is this a bit of an overreach from mr o'leary? >> well, let's ask the travel correspondent at the independent, simon calder. simon this is a bold move, but we've heard many such a sort of big, i.e. eye catching sort of announcements from the from the ryanair boss before. >> yes we have and good afternoon to you. so a really interesting move here. what i found absolutely fascinating speaking to michael o'leary, the chief executive of europe's biggest budget airline yesterday, was that he said going from basically zero cases of fights between passengers on board 5 or 10 years ago, they were now getting one incident every week. he said that this was partly fuelled, of course, by alcohol, also by drugs. people taking illicit powder or

tablets, and he told me that he wants some action to make sure this gets reduced, but it won't be affecting his alcohol sales on board. >> well, that's the thing, isn't it , simon? >> well, that's the thing, isn't it, simon? could this just be a ploy it, simon? could this just be a ploy to make sure that people buy the booze on board at extra bumper prices? >> well, it's undoubtedly a problem, and i've been on a plane. not actually a ryanair flight, but a wizz air flight where there was a scuffle between passengers . we were between passengers. we were flying from luton to budapest. it was clear that it was an early evening flight. quite a lot of people had been at the airport quite a long time, and in the end we flew around in circles over, hungary for about half an hour. and then the police were waiting when we landed. and it is quite scary inside an aircraft where you've got very little room, and of course, that's why you get so many diversions and it's very , many diversions and it's very, very, expensive for the airline , very, expensive for the airline, very, expensive for the airline, very annoying for the

passengers. but it seems to be happening a lot. and michael o'leary wants something done about it, i mean, simon. >> ryanair, they're pretty vicious. the staff. if your bag is slightly big, too big. i mean, i've, i've got pretty furious, i must say, when i'm told by someone standing there that my bag because it's one millimetre too big for their little box that i have to , you little box that i have to, you know, rearrange my items or pay £50 or whatever it is. surely they can just turn drunkards away. >> well, that's actually a really good point , because if really good point, because if you had a system whereby people who were were routinely breathalysed not necessarily on every flight, they know the target flights. and in particular, michael o'leary mentioned liverpool and glasgow and edinburgh and manchester to ibiza. you could effectively breathalyse everybody getting onto the aircraft. he said that actually it's sort of slightly too easy if you're with friends and one person is has had clearly too much, then they can

kind of shuffle them on board. but i agree there ought to be more scrutiny of people because obviously it's much , much better obviously it's much, much better to tackle this problem at ground level than when you're at 35,000ft. >> well , 35,000ft. >> well, simon, as you've been saying, you spoke to michael o'leary yesterday. should we have a little listen to what he said ? great. said? great. >> we need to have a ban on airports not selling alcohol, but limiting the amount of alcohol that can be sold to any passenger to two alcoholic drinks. >> so in the same way that you have to show your boarding pass when you go through duty free to buy cigarettes or alcohol, we believe you should have to show your boarding pass to buy an alcoholic drink at a bar at an airport , and you shouldn't be airport, and you shouldn't be served more than two alcoholic drinks, particularly when flights are delayed. the real challenge is when flights are running late and this summer, atc delays are at an all time high. >> passengers tend to drink more alcohol. they become more inebriated, and that's not good for , news when they're getting for, news when they're getting on board one, two, three hour flights. >> i completely understand what he's saying there, simon. obviously, if people are sat

there drinking for half the day, they're not going to be they're not going to be perhaps the most orderly of passengers when they eventually get their delayed flight. but isn't that perhaps more of an impetus for michael o'leary to make sure his flights are not as delayed as they sometimes are? and also, frankly, what else do you do in an airport? >> quite. yes. it's a serious problem and we've got some issues raised by, for example, the whole business of air traffic control and the delays that are being caused there. but yeah, you've got a couple of hours, you know, i've been in exactly that position. i'm sure you have too. and nobody likes a dnnk you have too. and nobody likes a drink at an airport more than i do. and maybe i'll have one on board as well. by the way, i'm only drinking tea here just to, be absolutely clear . but the be absolutely clear. but the crucial. the crucial problem is that if you've got, a lot of time, a lot of people, very it's very encouraging to get people to drink, then you're going to

have problems . and actually, i have problems. and actually, i conducted six months ago a social media survey on this and okay, social media. absolutely not. rock solid market research, but still over 6000 people voted. and i was really surprised that the majority in favour of a total alcohol ban on flights and at airports was 52 to 48, which are these days, i think we count as some pretty conclusive, don't we? all right. >> well, simon calder, thank you very much indeed. and for also sharing that interview with the ceo of ryanair. i think it's always about the bottom line, isn't it? we're joined by the author of i'm never drinking again and eight years sober. dom mcgregor. dom, i believe you think it would be a very good idea if we just banned alcohol from airports altogether. is that right? >> yeah. i think what simon was saying there was very interesting. >> you know, we've got 52% of people who want to ban it completely, >> makes a lot of sense. you know, at the end of the day, we're talking about

predominantly passenger safety here. you know, people having fights on aeroplanes, >> it's too not crazy to think that someone could die from this one day. >> you know, a punch or a bang, a head or something like that. >> and then you're in a whole world of problems. so, we know these kind of things are not happening on normal flights when there's not alcohol involved. >> people don't just start fighting out of it. >> it's definitely alcohol induced. so when you've got a conversation around passenger safety, i think it's sensible to look at what we can do to make sure people are as safe as possible while travelling. now, tom, i've been on a few flights i've never seen, i've never seen a flight, a fight. i've never seen a fight break out on a plane. but i do enjoy, to repeatedly get my carlsberg's in when i'm. when i'm on the flight. you're charming, drunk , tom. >> like me. >> like me. >> well, but but but isn't this the thing? it's obviously a tiny, tiny minority of people who pose any sort of problem. wouldn't the better solution be to weed those people out? perhaps really strict lifetime bans on flying? for anyone that

does engage in that sort of behaviour, so they don't ruin it for the rest of us. yeah, yeah, it's an interesting position. >> i don't think this is kind of complete nanny state. >> when you say like look, two dnnk >> when you say like look, two drink minimum is a lot. you know, a lot of times people get to the airport an hour or two hours before. >> so having two drinks in that penod >> so having two drinks in that period of time is reasonable. >> and if your flight is delayed, like simon was saying previously, there's other things to do than just drink. >> you know, it's not about just getting drunk before you go on a flight. >> so i do think having what you get is, is people are people going to duty free, stocking up on a, you know, litre bottle of vodka and making their own dnnks vodka and making their own drinks on the fly under the chairs. >> that's the problem. people will always find a way around it. >> they're not allowed to anymore. >> you're not allowed to open your duty free. >> they put they put in in the special bags. >> if you want it, you can get at it. i'm sure if you're one of these people who behaves like a hoougan these people who behaves like a hooligan on a flight, you'll find a way, won't you? i don't know, yeah, i do think you're right around the kind of banning piece, you know, if someone has beenin piece, you know, if someone has been in a fight or that has happened, they should be banned. >> you know that that is black and white and obviously we're deaung and white and obviously we're dealing with people's security. so you've got people's

passports, you know who they are. you know where to start. so you can do that. so i do think there should be some punishment and some deterrent, for people stopping doing these kind of things. >> fair enough. thank you very much indeed. dom mcgregor, author of i'm never drinking again and eight years sober. thank you very much for your time . time. >> now let's bring you this miracle from a motorway in gloucestershire. drivers on the a419 got a massive surprise yesterday. >> oh, really? well, a small plane crashed onto the highway next to an airfield. as you can see, the pilot and passenger, both members of the cotswold gliding club, narrowly escaped the disaster as onlookers quickly arrived to help. there you go. an eye witness told gloucestershire live. the local paper that it looked as though the aircraft stalled and nosedived into the main road. >> blimey, what an incredible set of images. >> that is a miracle. >> that is a miracle. >> and the fact that they fell out of the air and survived that is. that is astonishing. >> that was a surprise to us both. yeah. amazing story.

perhaps we'll come back to that after the headlines . after the headlines. >> good afternoon, britain on gb news. lots more. of course . news. lots more. of course. coming up on today's programme, not least that vase that smashed ancient vase that we keep talking about, we'll bring you that. the news on that and also nothing will be safe. the conservatives warn the labour party will launch a tax raid on the middle classes, after the prime minister warned that the autumn budget will be a painful, will be painful in a speech yesterday. first, though, it's your headlines. >> it's 133. your headlines. >> it's133. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. the prime minister says the new uk germany treaty will be part of a wider reset, with europe . sir keir reset, with europe. sir keir starmer is in germany to launch negotiations on a new bilateral treaty , which hopes to boost treaty, which hopes to boost business and increase joint action on illegal migration. speaking during a joint news conference with german

chancellor olaf scholz in berlin, he described it as a moment of opportunity to deepen links between the uk and germany. >> this treaty is part of a wider reset grounded in a new spirit of cooperation with our shared understanding that this will be developed at pace and that we hope to have agreed it by the end of the year. a britain reconnected , resetting britain reconnected, resetting our relationship , rediscovering our relationship, rediscovering our relationship, rediscovering our common interests , delivering our common interests, delivering for working people. britain and germany already have an incredible relationship. two great countries brought closer together than ever before. the strongest strategic partners in europe and on the world stage. >> now gb news can reveal that more than 20,000 migrants have crossed the english channel illegally so far this year. the milestone was reached this morning as hundreds more made

the journey in small boats from france. it's after 526 people arrived illegally in uk waters in eight dinghies yesterday . a in eight dinghies yesterday. a prison workshop instructor has appeared in court over an alleged inappropriate relationship with zarah, alina's murderer. 33 year old hayley jones has been charged with misconduct in a public office, having allegedly acted in a way which amounted to an abuse of the public's trust. jordan mcsweeney is serving 33 years in hmp belmarsh for the killing and sexual assault of the 35 year old law graduate , zara aleena. old law graduate, zara aleena. and there's been a miracle on a motorway as drivers on the a419 in gloucestershire got a surprise yesterday. a small plane crashed onto the highway next to an airfield. the pilot and passenger, both members of the cotswold gliding club, narrowly escaped the disaster as onlookers quickly arrived to help. an eyewitness told

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>> okay, well welcome back. you're watching and listening to good afternoon britain with me. emily carver and tom harwood. now, lots of you have been getting in touch about your experiences on flights and john says funny how on flight aggro only seems to affect ryanair and easyjet. what are you saying ? easyjet. what are you saying? are you saying that the punters who use ryanair are barbarians? >> well, this all comes of course, in the context of michael o'leary, the ceo of ryanair, suggesting that people should only be limited to two pints at airports because anything, anything more tends to make people , well, get a bit make people, well, get a bit fighty. you are funny. >> someone has got in touch. i can't remember who it was, but said okay, i'll have two pints of whisky then. i'm not sure that's what michael o'leary had in mind. he'd be happy for you to buy those on flight, in mind. he'd be happy for you to buy those on flight , though, to buy those on flight, though, i'm sure. or in flight? >> well, isn't isn't this perhaps, the sneaky suspicion

here that actually he doesn't want people to buy pints at airports so that he'll have to buy the tiny little tins that they serve on ryanair flights for 7.99 or whatever they are, yes. but margaret says we can't smoke on a flight, so let's not be allowed to drink alcohol on a flight. i used to work in a pubuc flight. i used to work in a public place where people were served alcohol, and you wouldn't want these people who were a problem in the restaurants to not mention on an aircraft 40,000ft in the air. so margaret is actually in favour? yes. >> i wonder, margaret, do you dnnk? >> i wonder, margaret, do you drink? because i imagine if you don't drink , then, you know, don't drink, then, you know, it's easy to ban things for other people when you don't partake. but perhaps if you did like a drink, you might be a bit angry that just a bunch of, you know, losers who can't handle their drink and ruin it for everyone. although some people need a drink sometimes as well, especially on a ryanair flight. >> the seats are made of paper and they're this thin and you're crushed in next to other people. i mean, you can't be there fully conscious the whole way. i mean, you won't be able to live with

yourself . yourself. >> i mean, no one needs a drink, obviously, but some people find it very scary going on flights, don't they? yeah yeah, that's one way to soothe the nerves , one way to soothe the nerves, perhaps. but yes, it is interesting that it's happening on the budget airline, that it's the budget airline boss who's thinking about all of this. >> i don't know. i think if you if you don't, if you're if you want to avoid sort of rowdy behaviour, you know, lads holidays , hen parties, all the holidays, hen parties, all the rest of it, i think there are certain times of day that you could probably get your flight . could probably get your flight. whichever company you get your flight with, whichever airline, you can probably find a time of day that's going to be less likely to be with all of the lads holidays and the hen party. >> yes, i've been on a very late night flight, i won't say from where, and someone, got nicked or. that's what everyone on the flight said. he got nicked. he's getting nicked. he's getting nicked. and yes, he was indeed thrown into the back of a police van and taken off by the police as soon as he landed in whatever london airport it was. anyway, the conservatives are warning

nothing will be left after prime minister sir keir starmer told reporters at downing street yesterday that those with the broadest shoulders will have to carry the burden. it comes as rachel reeves refuses to rule out inheritance and capital gains tax rises. the chancellor not answering yes or no three times when asked if she could specifically rule out raising the two taxes at the budget. what are we to make of this, tom? >> i think we're going to see a pensions raid. what all of the speculation certainly over the last couple of days suggests is that not only will we be taxed on our pensions when the money comes out at the end. we're also going to start being taxed on our contributions towards our pensions too. oh brilliant . and pensions too. oh brilliant. and that's going to be taking a considerable amount of well frankly, the hard earned savings of people in work. i saw some estimates from, i think it was the institute for fiscal studies

that this would raise a couple of billion pounds, but it would mean that people are in a more precarious position in retirement. well, they can't really squeeze income. >> i mean, they've they've ruled it out anyway. but when you've got the top 10% of income tax payers paying 60% of everything that goes into the treasury for that goes into the treasury for that tax, then, you know, it's hard to say. all those with the broadest shoulders should contribute more. i mean, they already do. and the problem is people are more mobile than eveh people are more mobile than ever. you can only squeeze them so much. and if you squeeze the middle classes, the middle classes, when they believe they're doing the right thing, saving, investing, working hard, whatever it is, it's going to be very difficult. few years for keir starmer. >> and this is the other problem. i mean, if we're going to see capital gains tax perhaps doubled, if we're going to see pensions taxed, taxing contributions towards pensions too. i mean, these are all the sort of things that people are speculating about. if we're going to see moves like that. what you're going to get is less saving and therefore less investment. and the one thing the british economy is crying out for is investment. that

creates the jobs that creates the growth, that helps companies go from being you know, small to more, that helps, you know, sole traders get the get the equipment that they need that helps the economy really go from one level to the next. you sort of shooting yourself in the foot if you stop, if you stop that sort of investment incentive. >> yeah. and offering billions and billions in public sector pay and billions in public sector pay rises. yes. there will be people who argue that they're underpaid and they should be given a boost . but surely, given a boost. but surely, surely that accounts for some of this £22 billion financial black hole that no one knew about. apparently, even though it was written in black and white from the obr. but hey , that's the the obr. but hey, that's the state that we're in. so we shall see in october what actually happens. but keir starmer certainly painting a miserable picture. >> absolutely. i've been seeing all of the different ploys that people are getting up to, to sort of try and try and avoid the coming tax bombshell in october. you know, where you should be putting your money. but, but but frankly, given that

people are doing all of this planning, will they even raise the amount of money they expect they're going to raise? well, this is the thing. >> left wing economists seem to think that whatever they do with the tax regime, people won't change their behaviour. they'll continue to invest, they'll continue to invest, they'll continue to invest, they'll continue to save, they'll continue to save, they'll continue to save, they'll continue to reside in this country and pay all these taxes and be happy to do so. but we've learned throughout history and from other countries that people do change their behaviour, and you might actually not get in as much as you thought. you might. anyway, let us know your thoughts gbnews.com/yoursay. where do you think these tax rises are going to fall? >> well, this is good afternoon britain on gb news. lots more coming up on today's programme. >> yes, a four year old boy has earned himself a punishment after smashing a rare 3500 year urn a museum in israel. find out more. after

break. >> good afternoon britain. it's coming up to 10 to 2 now. a four

year old boy in israel has shattered a 3500 year old urn at the hecht museum. >> yes, the bronze age artefact, displayed without protective glass. we must note a broke into a thousand pieces after the child unknowingly knocked it oveh child unknowingly knocked it over. well, despite the mishap, the museum director has invited the museum director has invited the boy and his mother back for a guided tour , reassuring them a guided tour, reassuring them that the urn will be carefully restored. oh so they're actually going to try and restore it? well, we're joined now by historian martin whittock. martin. i mean, this little boy . martin. i mean, this little boy. a bit of a disaster, but it sounds like the museum are all too happy to kind of let it go and try to make the best of a bad situation. >> well, they're being remarkably kind. >> you might be interested to hear i've got some broken pieces of a 1800 year old bits of pottery, 1800. these bust bits are. >> but i'm really glad to say i didn't break them. they were bust when they came out of the ground. but what's happened in

israel, obviously it's a real shock and it reminded me of something that happened in 2006. do you remember that somebody walking down the stairs at the fitzwilliam museum in cambridge tripped and knocked over no less than three? qing dynasty. early 18th century chinese vases , one 18th century chinese vases, one after the other. like the most expensive dominoes you've ever played in your life. and it came to a hundred thousand quid. oh, no . and i remember then the no. and i remember then the fitzwilliam were were remarkably, remarkably gracious about it, at least to start with. anyway, in public. yeah. so this is a shock found in the west bank, found near the jordan. this earned 3500 years old. smashed. i was surprised that it wasn't more well protected by glass, but i guess to be fair, it was a big thing. it was a very large thing. and i guess they wanted it to be more accessible. and i guess accessible. and i guess accessible was kind of the

problem in it's been too accessible. yes but the lovely thing is, the director has said they can restore it. they will restore it. museums are really brilliant at doing this. so you can't see the join even. it really is very well done. and he's actually invited the little boy and the mum if they'll, if they'll own up. they did a runner after this. i'm sort of i can understand that to come in and watch the restoration process. so you know what starts off in a state like this could at some point become a completed vase, and it could become part of the educational program of that little boy and his mum and anybody who watches the, the film. so that's, that's a good bit coming out of what otherwise must have been a slightly stressful moment in the museum, i imagine. >> yeah. martin, when i read this, i immediately thought of that. fitzwilliam event. i was i was a boy at school in cambridge at the time, and i mean, everyone was talking about it, but but the biggest question was why on earth did the museum put

these three priceless qing dynasty vases in a row down the stairs? and i suppose there's got to be questions asked of museums in the way in which they display these sorts of items. because this is this is every family's nightmare. >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, it is easily done. i mean, you know, i was a very clumsy four year old. some would say i was a clumsy older year old as well. and this kind of thing easily happens. it wasn't malice. he probably tripped or he probably reached out to touch it. and the thing went over and it was gone. so yeah, perhaps we do have to have more protective guardrails around these things, because the problem is when they're there, when they are so touchable, you just do want to sometimes reach out and actually feel the thing that was touched by somebody, you know, 3500 years ago. and unfortunately, this shows what happens if you do. well, absolutely. >> and martin, you at home. >> and martin, you at home. >> don't try this at home. >> don't try this at home. >> i think so, but i also think, you know, protective glass sometimes ruins the experience in a bit . you don't get to see in a bit. you don't get to see absolutely everything, martin. we'll have to leave it there.

but thank you so much for talking us through that story. it's amazing. it's made international news, isn't it? really? historian martin whitaker , great to chat to you whitaker, great to chat to you as always. >> and of course, your bits of pot and the bits of pot. >> yes, i enjoyed those two. i don't have anything that old in my possession. >> 3500 year old. no, no, i've got socks. that old socks. >> yeah . one sock can't find the >> yeah. one sock can't find the other one can't find the other one. there you go. >> well, this is good afternoon . >> well, this is good afternoon. people wear socks. >> 3500 years ago, i think they were all sandals. >> but this is good afternoon, britain on gb news. lots more coming up on today's show. of course . don't go anywhere. we'll course. don't go anywhere. we'll be talking about those fewer than 100 spaces left in male prisons in england and wales, an ongoing crisis in our prisons. how on earth can we deliver law, order, crime and .justice? order, crime and. justice? >> and a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather

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gb news. >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:00 on wednesday the 28th of august. i'm tom harwood and i'm emily carver. starmer's european charm offensive. the prime minister is in berlin to seek a new treaty with germany as part of his attempts to reset relations with europe after brexit. >> he is indeed and crisis in our prisons. there are now just 100 spaces left in male prisons across england and wales after a surge in arrests over the bank houday surge in arrests over the bank holiday weekend . holiday weekend. >> gb news can exclusively reveal. more than 20,000 migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel illegally so far this year. we'll have the latest on these shocking new

developments. >> and a question for you would you eat a bug burger? scientists backed by the government are encouraging the consumption of meat alternatives as part of the fight to cut emissions from agriculture. yuck . agriculture. yuck. well, we always bring you a varied agenda on this show. bug burgers. tom would you eat one? >> why? why would you need to make a burger out of bugs when there is perfectly good lab grown meat being developed? that will be the answer to all of these grown meat not eating your lab grown meat. >> there are perfectly good cows i've got. >> i've got a friend who was recently in san francisco, and he visited a company that is making smoked salmon by just growing the meat and not growing the head or the skin, or like anything else , they just grow

anything else, they just grow the salmon meat. isn't that remarkable ? remarkable? >> it is remarkable. i can't say it whets the appetite. >> and then you look at it on the plate and you sort of it doesn't taste any because they're growing meat. it's real meat. it'sjust they're growing meat. it's real meat. it's just not grown with a brain or eyes attached. >> there are lots of conspiracies about all this , conspiracies about all this, aren't there? >> oh, i'm sure there are conspiracies about conspiracies that they all want us to be eating bugs and crickets and dust from bugs when the government funds bug burger research, i suppose that's conspiracy where the conspiracies come from. but you don't need to eat bugs we don't need. we can grow real meat. and i think i genuinely think that a little bit, a little way down the line. we're going to be thinking, actually, it's a lot more efficient to grow meat without it's going to be cheaper , without it's going to be cheaper, it's going to be better for the environment and the meat trade is quite cruel. and we're going to and we're going to say, and there'll be fewer farmyard animals, but they'll live happier lives. >> what will farmers do? they'll have to get into the lab grown

stuff , upskill or downscale or stuff, upskill or downscale or just sort of diversify, diversify. let us know your thoughts. would you eat a bug burger? why do you think the government wants us to be doing this? or at least is looking into it anyway ? into it anyway? gbnews.com/yoursay is the way to get in touch, but it's your headunes get in touch, but it's your headlines with sophia . headlines with sophia. >> emily. tom. thank you . good >> emily. tom. thank you. good afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's just gone. 2:00. your headunes. it's just gone. 2:00. your headlines . the prime minister headlines. the prime minister says a new uk germany treaty will be part of a wider reset with europe. sir keir starmer is in germany to launch negotiations on a new bilateral treaty, which hopes to boost business and increase joint action on illegal migration. speaking during a joint news conference with german chancellor olaf scholz in berlin, he described it as a moment of opportunity to deepen links between the uk and germany . links between the uk and germany. >> this treaty is part of a

wider reset grounded in a new spirit of cooperation with our shared understanding that this will be developed at pace and that we hope to have agreed it by the end of the year. a britain reconnected , resetting britain reconnected, resetting our relationship , rediscovering our relationship, rediscovering our relationship, rediscovering our common interests , delivering our common interests, delivering for working people britain already have an incredible relationship. two great countries brought closer together than ever before. the strongest strategic partners in europe and on the world stage . europe and on the world stage. >> meanwhile, back in the uk, the chancellor has addressed sir keir starmer's warning that the autumn budget will be painful. speaking a short while ago in scotland, rachel reeves defended the government's decision on winter fuel payments. >> the truth is that these are not decisions that i wanted to make, but these are decisions we have to make given the inheritance that we face from the conservative government, and

there will be more difficult decisions to come in the budget later in the year. but the stark reality after the mess that the previous conservative government have left this labour government to inherit, it means difficult decisions. but without difficult decisions. but without difficult decisions we are going to face serious problems with our public finances . i will not take the finances. i will not take the risks that the conservatives have taken previously. that would put our economy in danger. >> now gb news can exclusively reveal that more than 20,000 migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel illegally so far this year. the milestone was reached this morning as hundreds more made the journey in small boats from france. it's after 526 people arrived illegally in uk waters in eight dinghies yesterday . there are just 100 yesterday. there are just 100 spaces left in male prisons across england and wales, according to the ministry of justice , with reports this is justice, with reports this is the closest the system has come to running out of places. it

comes after the activation of early dawn, where defendants in active court cases are kept in police cells until standard prison spaces open up. now, with hundreds more arrests from riots and notting hill carnival disorder over recent days and weeks, there are concerns prisons may run out of capacity. shadow leader of the house of commons chris philp has called for more spaces during last yeah >> every week there are about 100 additional net. additional prison places were created by the previous justice secretary, alex chalk, so they were bringing on 100 more places each week than were being retired or withdrawn for refurbishment . so withdrawn for refurbishment. so i think the solution to this is more prison places and in the very short term, these rapid deployment cells are dcs are what i would like to be see, being used . being used. >> now. in other news, a new contempt of court application has been lodged against tommy robinson over alleged breaches of a high court order from 2021.

that's according to the attorney general's office. law officers allege that mr robinson breached an injunction barring him from repeating libellous allegations through six actions between june and july. this year. a prison workshop instructor has appeared in court over an alleged inappropriate relationship with zara, elena's murderer. 33 year old hayley jones has been charged with misconduct in a pubuc charged with misconduct in a public office, having allegedly acted in a way which amounted to an abuse of the public's trust. jordan mcsweeney is serving 33 years at hmp belmarsh for the killing and sexual assault of the 35 year old law graduate, zara aleena. the israeli military has launched a major operation in the west bank. palestinian health officials claim at least nine people have been killed in the strikes. the israeli army confirmed today that they had begun what they said was an operation to counter terrorism in jenin, and telecom ,

terrorism in jenin, and telecom, and there's been a miracle on a motorway as drivers on the a419 in gloucestershire got a surprise yesterday. a small plane crashed onto the highway next to an airfield. as you can see, the pilot and passenger both members of the cotswold gliding club, narrowly escaped the disaster as onlookers quickly arrived to help. an eyewitness told gloucestershire live that it looked as though the aircraft stalled and nosedived into the main road. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gb news. >> com forward slash alerts . >> com forward slash alerts. >> com forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon britain, welcome back. it is now 208 and

a man has appeared in court today charged with the attempted murder of a 32 year old woman at the notting hill carnival on sunday. shaquille thibault is also charged with violent disorder and possession of an offensive weapon, and appeared in the dock with his two brothers today. >> well, we can go live now to westminster magistrates court and speak with gb news national reporter charlie peters , who has reporter charlie peters, who has been there. charlie, what went down? good afternoon . down? good afternoon. >> so shaquille tebow, the 20 year old, was remanded in custody after being charged with the attempted murder of a 32 year old mother who was stabbed at the notting hill carnival on sunday evening. >> she was described as an innocent bystander in some violence at the carnival on sunday. a mother of a three year old daughter who appeared with her at that carnival with her family and her friends. now

shaquille tebow was also charged with violent disorder and possession of an offensive weapon. he gave no plea, was remanded into custody and will next appear at the old bailey on the 25th of september. as he left the dock, his two brothers were also there with him. he hugged them both and shared some words with them as he was taken away by the custody staff. after that, the judge, a district judge, john zani , turned his judge, john zani, turned his attention to his two brothers, sheldon tebow, 24, and qasim taboo, aged 22. now sheldon was charged with violent disorder, possession of a stun gun and the assault of an emergency worker. he gave no plea, but his brother qasim, the 22 year old. he was charged with violent disorder and assaulting an emergency worker. he did say that he was going to plead not guilty. they also have been remanded in custody ahead of an appearance at the old bailey on the 25th of

september, but it is their youngest brother , shaquille, the youngest brother, shaquille, the 20 year old, who was with the most serious charge of attempted murder against a woman . the 32 murder against a woman. the 32 year old mother, described as an innocent bystander. the court also heard that she was suffering from life changing injuries. she was still in a hospital in a critical condition, having suffered a cardiac arrest after the stabbing on sunday, losing a significant amount of blood where she remains in a london hospital in a coma. all three defendants, those three brothers will appear at the old bailey on the 25th of september. >> thank you very much. charlie peters. 25th of september. a date for our diary. appreciate your work. >> thank you very much indeed. well, moving on, sir keir starmer, he's been in berlin today. he's seeking an ambitious new treaty with germany, something he describes as a once in a generation chance to deliver for working people . deliver for working people. >> well, the meeting is also part of a wider push to reset

relationships with the european union after brexit. >> and appearing at a press conference alongside the german chancellor, the prime minister said the new agreement between britain and germany on issues ranging from defence, climate change, artificial intelligence, illegal migration, everything on the table there. >> let's discuss this now with our political correspondent katherine forster catherine, thanks for joining us. katherine forster catherine, thanks forjoining us. this is a significant moment for keir starmer. he's only been in the job two months, and it seems he's darted halfway around the world already . world already. >> yes, indeed, he's already met the german chancellor, olaf scholz. five times in less than two months. they get on very well. they're both fundamentally social democrats . they're coming social democrats. they're coming from a similar place politically , from a similar place politically, and yes, as sir keir starmer said before the election, labour wants to have closer ties with

the european union and this is their first steps towards getting that. now he's been very clear. of course, people who voted leave will not have forgotten that he campaigned vociferously for a second referendum after the brexit vote. but he says now there is no going back. they won't go back to the customs to union, the single market, back into the eu. but he thinks that he can get a treaty with germany. our second biggest trading partner and a real force to be reckoned with within europe, and he thinks that he can get this treaty with them potentially by the end of the year. they're also hoping for a security pact that they think they can get even quicker than that. so sir keir starmer talking about growth and thinking there's going to be cooperation that will be good forjobs here and

talking about defence, a lot of talking about defence, a lot of talk about support for ukraine and the press conference. also the situation in the middle east, i have to say, in terms of details about what this actually means, pretty thin on the ground an awful lot of warm words and sort of aspiration, but we don't really know what will be agreed. and what price may be extracted for it , because of course, for it, because of course, germany is not a free agent in many ways. it's a member of the european union. so there's no way that they can strike any sort of trade deal, with us. so i think what what we're hearing and the reality of it down the line, might be a little bit different. >> very interesting indeed. thank you. catherine katherine forster there gb news political correspondent. shall we head back to germany now and speak to

freelance journalist rob hide? rob very interested to get a bit of an idea of the german perspective on this. what's in all of this for mr olaf scholz >> well, an awful lot, really, because i mean, today keir starmer came over and there was a lot of fanfare and the military reception and the, the guards. and then he went to bellevue schloss . bellevue schloss. >> schloss, excuse me, and met the president and as, as your political analyst rightly said , political analyst rightly said, there was an awful lot of buzzwords and sort of energy, but very, very little detail. >> but i think in terms of what olive schultz stands to gain from this is that he's doing really, really badly to the extent that i actually wondered if he had reached out to keir starmer and asked him to come over and help him out. i mean, he's doing so badly within his own coalition government, which is a three party government made up of his party, which is the social democrats. you've got the greens , you've got the free

greens, you've got the free liberals, and communication has been so bad between them that the german president actually stepped in two days ago and told them to get back to the workbench and basically to stop slagging each other off in pubuc slagging each other off in public because he said, the citizens aren't well served by it , a week ago, citizens aren't well served by it, a week ago, bild, which is the country's best selling newspaper, actually had the headune newspaper, actually had the headline are they just staying in power because of their pensions? with the idea that it's pretty much over for the coalition government and then spiegel magazine had a leading psychologist who said that their communication had been unrealistic. so it's been a really toxic environment, which he's been working in, within his own government and then outside of the government. he's also doing really, really badly there. so you've got friedrich batus, which is the head of the conservative christian democratic union, that was angela merkel's party, and now he's really been gunning for schultz. he said there should be

a national state of emergency declared on the issue of immigration. >> and he's also said that, more powers must be given to police to arrest, criminal, migrants and also to , to deport and also to, to deport authorities should have more power to deport them. >> and he said, and i quote, schultz is losing control of his own country. so he's doing really, really badly. he's doing also badly on the political spectrum in terms of the left. so on sunday, we've got the regional elections in the eastern federal state of thuringia and also saxony . and thuringia and also saxony. and there you've got sahra wagenknecht, who's got her own party. she's from the radical left. she's now three times as popular as olaf scholz. so his party is doing so badly it's not even guaranteed in thuringia that he'll get 5%. and without 5%, he can't. his party can't even sit in the regional parliament. he could lose all of his seats. >> it's extraordinary. this is, of course, pretty blatantly a

deeply unpopular chancellor scrabbling around trying to find some prestige, trying to look a bit statesmanlike, but of course, in the national polls, he's gone from first to third place. he's at around 15%. and germany's economic situation isn't particularly bright ehheh isn't particularly bright either. just yesterday, we learned that in the last quarter, the german economy actually contracted. it wasn't even standing still anymore. it's now it's now shrinking in size. i mean, it does look perhaps a bit desperate. or maybe this is a bad a bad sign for britain that our only friends on europe are the slowest growing or indeed shrinking g7 economy . shrinking g7 economy. >> you're absolutely right. with the with the examples you mentioned. and i've also just got some here. so today the frankfurter rundschau newspaper had the headline germany sinks further into economic misery. on monday, the munich based think tank said, and i quote the german economy is in a downward

spiral, no growth , stagnation spiral, no growth, stagnation and a sense of crisis. so for keir starmer to now be positioning himself with olaf scholz is looks like a bit of an odd move, to be honest. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> when you put it like that, it certainly does, but rob, of course this all comes, what, a week after that? absolutely horrific terror attack in soungen horrific terror attack in solingen in, in west germany. how much of his unpopularity, particularly on the issue of immigration and illegal migration and asylum is due to that? or is this long been long been the case? >> this having just happened has definitely intensified it. and he also seemed to take quite a few days before he went there and turned up, which i don't think was the best move . but, think was the best move. but, this is a pattern . this isn't an this is a pattern. this isn't an isolated event. i think i listed about 6 or 7 different examples on the last time i was on your your show up in terms of, terror

attacks, be it stabbings, ploughing a vehicle into crowds. and this has been just since 2016. so, there's a massive frustration with a perceived lack of inaction on issues of tackling mass , uncontrolled tackling mass, uncontrolled immigration, i mean , in the case immigration, i mean, in the case of solingen, which you mentioned , of solingen, which you mentioned, this, this murderer had continued to receive, state benefits. so the german taxpayers expense , even after he taxpayers expense, even after he had been assigned to be deported, what he then did was he went into hiding for six months. he then reappeared . but months. he then reappeared. but because the official deadline to deport him had expired, the authorities didn't do anything. and i think even aslef schultz has now said he recognises that that was a mistake. so he's under massive pressure now to toughen up. particularly sorry , toughen up. particularly sorry, just extraordinary, especially given that keir starmer is walking around saying we're going to sign this deal in six

months time. >> it could be that olaf scholz isn't isn't the chancellor of germany in six months time, it's entirely possible, rob, i'm afraid that we have run to time, but thank you so much for talking us through an absolutely fascinating perspective that i don't think we're hearing enough across the media, the german side of this right now . side of this right now. >> we're facing the same problems. i mean, unfortunately, we've had failed asylum seekers who haven't been deported for one reason or another, who have gone on to commit heinous crimes in this country. it's something that's afflicting most western countries, that's for sure. olaf scholz talking about toughening up deportation rules and things. but perhaps it's far too late for him, rob heide, that was, should we return to the miracle from the motorway in gloucestershire? drivers on the a49 got a massive surprise yesterday. >> yes, a small plane crash . a >> yes, a small plane crash. a small plane crashed onto the highway next to an airfield. you can see in the pictures here the pilot and passenger, both members of the cotswold gliding club, narrowly escaped complete

disaster as onlookers quickly arrived to help. one eyewitness told gloucestershire live that it looked as though the aircraft stalled and nosedived into the main road . main road. >> we don't see that every day, do you? thankfully, no one appears to have been injured, but what a sight. what a sight! >> i find it astonishing how how they managed to survive that. frankly, british countryside a anything could happen. >> oh , there you go. yes, this >> oh, there you go. yes, this is good afternoon, britain. we're on gb news. we've got lots more coming up, including the fact that puts this country to shame. really? there are now only 100 spaces. could be even fewer left in male prisons across england and wales. that's after a surge in arrests over the bank holiday weekend. what is the solution to this crisis ?

>> good afternoon britain. it is 2:25 and there are now fewer than 100 spaces left in prisons for men in england and wales. >> yes, the system already in the middle of an overcrowding crisis is understood to be close to breaking point after increased strain , particularly increased strain, particularly over the bank holiday weekend. >> well, on friday, magistrates were told to delay jailing criminals as the government hopes to make more than 500 spaces available in the coming weeks. >> and this all comes as an 11 year old child has been arrested over disorder in middlesbrough dunng over disorder in middlesbrough during the uk riots. an 11 year old child. >> well, joining us now is the crime and policing commentator danny shore. danny, let's just start with that breaking news there. an 11 year old child arrested for disorder amidst the riots. i'm not keeping tabs on

every single arrest, but it sounds to me like this is one of the youngest. >> i think it is the youngest. >> i think it is the youngest. >> i think we've had 12 year olds and 13 year olds arrested. >> i mean , those are the arrests >> i mean, those are the arrests that we know about. >> clearly, there may be others that we're not told about of young people , but we've young people, but we've certainly that certainly probably the youngest if not the youngest. >> and it's very sad, isn't it, that someone of that young age is now most likely, if convicted or cautioned, will get a criminal record, which will hang over them for many, many, many years and will, you know, their reputation will be ever associated with the terrible scenes of disturbances that we saw across the country earlier this month . this month. >> now, i don't know exactly what he's been accused of in terms of being involved in the in the violent riots, but do you think it's right to prosecute someone so young ? someone so young? >> well, you know, young people, from the age of ten onwards can be prosecuted and some of them

are prosecuted, particularly if the offences are serious, >> in some cases they are kept out of the criminal justice system by means of diversionary activities, community resolutions, which have been in the news recently can be used, they can also obviously be subject to a youth caution , that subject to a youth caution, that still entails a criminal record. i mean, the justice system will try its hardest to keep them out of custody and to ensure that the penalty is appropriate for their age. but sometimes, if the offending is really serious , offending is really serious, that cannot be avoided. even if someone is 11 years of age. >> now, i was led to believe that the age of criminal culpability was older than 11. have! culpability was older than 11. have i been misled? >> ten it's ten. in england and wales . wales. >> okay, that is fascinating. so were a nine year old to be, participating in these riots. what would happen to that were a nine year old to be, participating in these riots. what would happen to that

individual? individual? >> well, a nine year old would >> well, a nine year old would be dealt with by social services be dealt with by social services in particular, there may be some in particular, there may be some input from police and probation input from police and probation as well, but they would not be as well, but they would not be prosecuted. there would be no prosecuted. there would be no prosecution. there would be no prosecution. there would be no cautioning or anything like cautioning or anything like that. but you can be assured, that. but you can be assured, and certainly we would hope that and certainly we would hope that the various agencies involved the various agencies involved would want to understand why would want to understand why that young person had been that young person had been caught up in, in, you know, caught up in, in, you know, disorder , whether their parents disorder , whether their parents disorder, whether their parents were aware and so on, and look disorder, whether their parents were aware and so on, and look coming into all those background into all those background factors and you would hope that factors and you would hope that there would be a very close i kept on that young person, but there would be a very close i kept on that young person, but they would not be entering the they would not be entering the criminal justice system at the criminal justice system at the age of nine. age of nine. >> yes. well, it sounds like you >> yes. well, it sounds like you agree with in the guardian agree with in the guardian today. i don't know if you saw, today. i don't know if you saw, but the chair of the youth but the chair of the youth justice board, he said that we justice board, he said that we should only prosecute children should only prosecute children over the riots as a as a last over the riots as a as a last resort, it appears that you resort, it appears that you would agree with that, at least would agree with that, at least you know , in this instance, we you know , in this instance, we you know, in this instance, we you know, in this instance, we don't know what what's happened, don't know what what's happened, but as a general rule, going but as a general rule, going

coming on to the prisons crisis, we face, it is very alarming for people who are worried about about safety on our streets, that we have just so few prison spaces left. do you believe that we're prioritising sometimes, the wrong crimes? there's a horrific story from bradford, a man who beat up essentially three women because he deemed that they were wearing inappropriate clothing, calling them prostitutes. he essentially beat them up in broad daylight at a petrol station. now he's got away with no prison time. suspended sentence, £500 fine. a bit of rehabilitation and a bit of unpaid work. it's sometimes, as an outsider, it's hard to . as an outsider, it's hard to. it's hard to understand how certain decisions are made when it comes to prison

an indictment of that, sadly, is an indictment of the conservative government for 14 years that introduced policies that led to longer sentences and more, more prison sentences. in some cases , but sentences. in some cases, but didn't provide the prison places

available. and that's a fact. available. and that's a fact. they promised 20,000 places by the mid 2020s. they delivered they promised 20,000 places by the mid 2020s. they delivered only 6000 new places , on your only 6000 new places , on your only 6000 new places, on your other question about community only 6000 new places, on your other question about community resolutions, it is true. and i resolutions, it is true. and i reported on this yesterday for reported on this yesterday for the telegraph, it is true that the telegraph, it is true that there has been a big increase in there has been a big increase in there has been a big increase in the use of community there has been a big increase in the use of community resolutions, which are the resolutions, which are the lowest form of penalty that can lowest form of penalty that can be handed out by the police. be handed out by the police. they don't lead to a criminal they don't lead to a criminal record. you have to apologise. record. you have to apologise. there might be some reparation there might be some reparation involved, some acknowledgement that you've done something involved, some acknowledgement that you've done something wrong. and they were intended to wrong. and they were intended to be used by the police as a be used by the police as a simple form of resolving low simple form of resolving low level crime on the streets. very level crime on the streets. very sensible option, but they have sensible option, but they have been used for sexual offences been used for sexual offences and for some, you know , quite and for some, you know and for some, you know, quite serious violent crimes, including possession of weapons and that is really worrying. it really worries me that if you're caught with a weapon, you know, you get essentially, you know, a slap on the wrist because the police ought to be recording. if

a young person or an older

been used for sexual offences and for sonthatou know been used for sexual offences and for sonthat duringiv been used for sexual offences and for sonthat during the general remember that during the general election campaign. but let's get the headlines with sophia . the headlines with sophia. >> tom. emily thank you. it's 233. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. the prime minister says a new uk germany treaty will be part of a wider reset with europe. sir keir starmer is in germany to launch negotiations on a new bilateral treaty, which hopes to boost business and increase joint action on illegal migration. speaking during a joint news conference with german chancellor olaf scholz, he described it as a moment of opportunity to deepen links between the uk and germany . more between the uk and germany. more than 20,000 migrants have crossed the english channel illegally so far this year. the milestone was reached this morning as hundreds more made the journey in small boats from france. it's after 526 people arrived illegally in uk waters

in eight dinghies yesterday. >> this treaty is part of a wider reset, grounded in a new spirit of cooperation with our shared understanding that this will be developed at pace and that we hope to have agreed it by the end of the year. a britain reconnected , resetting britain reconnected, resetting our relationship , rediscovering our relationship, rediscovering our relationship, rediscovering our common interests, delivering for working people. britain and germany already have an incredible relationship. two great countries brought closer together than ever before. the strongest strategic partners in europe and on the world stage . europe and on the world stage. >> sir keir starmer speaking there. now there are just 100 spaces left in male prisons across england and wales, according to the ministry of justice, with reports this is the closest the system has come to running out of places. it comes after the activation of

early dawn, where defendants in active court cases are kept in police cells until standard prison spaces open up. now, with hundreds more arrests from riots and notting hill carnival disorder over recent days and weeks, there are concerns prisons may run out of capacity . prisons may run out of capacity. this comes as cleveland police say an 11 year old child has been arrested over disorder in middlesbrough during the riots. cleveland police said officers had detained a further 14 people in connection with the disorder on sunday, the 4th of august. those are the latest gb news headunes those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts

>> right. 239 good afternoon britain martin is up next. martin. hello, martin. what's coming up on your show this afternoon? hit us. >> well, we've got a we got a gb news exclusive today. >> sadiq khan breaks his silence. isn't it astonishing how there's been 349 arrests, 61 coppers assaulted, eight stabbings. the london mayor not a peep on his social media feeds or any statement whatsoever about this. he's been tweeting about this. he's been tweeting about climate change, about staying cool, about beavers in london. finally, we asked him, what's your position on the violence in notting hill? and he's given us a statement. tune for in that astonishing full admission. we had to force it out of him. but he's finally spoken and we're in berlin for a surrender, are we? who do you think you're kidding, mr starmer? we know your game. they said in 2018. no cherries, no cherry picking on your cake. well, that's precisely what sir keir starmer is doing. first berlin, next paris. i'm telling you , next it'll be brussels.

you, next it'll be brussels. this is the road to rejoin . this is the road to rejoin. we've got to keep all eyes on that one. next up, there's another protest this afternoon in aldershot. they've been going very, very peacefully. the labour mp, the media have been accusing the far right of being shipped in despite the fact it's been peacefully organised by locals. i'm there live today talking to a local man who organised this , saying it's the organised this, saying it's the lefties who are being shipped in from brighton, from london. corbynistas antagonise the situation on the ground. all that 3 to 6 packed show. >> martin. we'll be tuning in. look forward to seeing you there from three. >> i wonder what the london see you. i wonder what the london mayor's response to what's happened at notting hill carnival will be. it is interesting when you look at his social media, it's, it's mostly about things like climate change, change. there's something about a new statue to commemorate lives lost in the transatlantic slave trade, that trade that we stopped. yeah.

there's something about, keeping coolin there's something about, keeping cool in london. and of course, a post about how fantastic the carnival was. there is a non—related to the notting hill carnival, though his latest tweet from sadiq khan is about how he's clamping down on violent crime in the city. now, that came out about three hours ago on his social media page, which is interesting. doesn't reference, you know, recent. >> it doesn't reference the 63 emergency workers who were injured at the carnival. >> yeah, it almost doesn't fit his narrative or the narrative that he wishes to project for london. it's very interesting, but we all note it, though, don't we? we all noticed. note the silence on things like this. >> you'd think that in a situation on any day, whatever the event, you know, or even if there were lots of different events, if 63 emergency workers were injured on one day, you'd comment about it. your response? well, for the metropolitan police , if 50 police officers police, if 50 police officers receive injuries, you you you should speak to that. >> yes. at the moment, he's just

tweeted one minute ago a little heart emoji saying taking, polluting cars off our road, heart emoji, enabling walking and cycling heart emoji. reduced junk food ads on public transport. oh well, there you 90, transport. oh well, there you go, there you go . less junk go, there you go. less junk food, fewer junk food ads on your commute to work by junk food. >> what they mean is hummus. yeah. which counts as the high in fat, sugar and salt. what about you'd be a pesto is another one that they've banned from the tube adverts because. because they're high in fat, sugar and salt. because it turns out there isn't a legal definition of junk food. and if you try and make a definition, you try and make a definition, you end up banning a carbonara. >> yeah. and what about all the women and girls who feel increasingly unsafe on the streets in london? nothing to say about that, anyway. how do you feel about a big mac? >> well, the uk government is reportedly looking to promote insect based foods and meat alternatives to lessen agriculture's environmental impact. >> yes, researchers at a new centre will work on making these protein sources more appealing. >> good anna sewell how do you do that? we're joined by the senior corporate project manager at people for the ethical

treatment of animals, doctor kans treatment of animals, doctor karis bennett. are bugs, animals ? karis bennett. are bugs, animals? >> thanks so much for having me on. i think it's really fantastic that this new research innovation centre is going to promote plant based foods, but it shouldn't be promoting eating crickets, worms and other insects because they are sentient animals and there's increasing scientific knowledge that they do feel pain. >> so really, we should stop trying to eat our way through the animal kingdom and leave insects off our plate , as well insects off our plate, as well as cows, pigs, and chickens. because it's absolutely devastating the environment and our health. >> it seems like the jury's out, though a bit on on how sentient bugs are. it seems there are conflicting studies into this, so we should just, you know, go be be safe and treat them as sentient animals. do you think ? sentient animals. do you think? >> well, the best thing to do is really just try and avoid eating

other sentient beings. >> there's been new studies that show that bees feel pain. >> we know they're under threat. >> we know they're under threat. >> and just imagine how many trillions of insects would be needed to feed people's desire for meat. there's already billions of cows, chickens, and pigs billions of cows, chickens, and pigs that are killed , and it's pigs that are killed, and it's completely unsustainable. the executive director of the insect institute has said that eating insects is not going to save the planet. his research has found. it's actually more expensive, it's unsustainable and it's completely inefficient way of farming. so really we can just choose solutions that already exist, which is plant based protein and vegan food. it's available in all the supermarkets and so many restaurants and coffee shops now doesn't taste great. >> it's saves animals from suffering. >> here's what i'm interested to get the perspective of sort of a vegan perspective on really. lab grown meat. it's becoming more of a thing at the moment. it's

not cheaper than, you know, farmed meat. so we're not seeing it everywhere. but the price is coming down and probably within the next decade it's going to become a real viable option for people where actual real meat is grown. but without a sentient being attached to it, without the brain. just, just just the meat, would you be open to eating a lab grown burger ? eating a lab grown burger? >> it's not something that i personally eat. >> having been a vegan for many decades, but i think it's so interesting . it is a great interesting. it is a great opportunity for millions of people out there. and if it's going to exactly replicate meat and prevent chickens from having their throats slit from pigs having their testicles cut off without anaesthetic, and from ducks living in huge sheds where they never see daylight, let alone swim in ponds, >> i think it's a really interesting development and a really exciting thing that can happen. and we don't need to eat

other animals. >> it's completely sustainable. >> it's completely sustainable. >> it's completely sustainable. >> i like eating, i like eating beef, i like eating chicken , but beef, i like eating chicken, but i mean, i can also i can also sort of empathise a bit with this, with this argument that i think probably the way that chickens are kept in, in, sort of big battery farms is , is of big battery farms is, is cruel, but i don't but i don't think that people are going to make the switch until there's a viable alternative. and i'm not i'm not sure that plant alternatives are there, but it could be. it could be that we do see a massive societal shift when this lab grown stuff. >> we could talk anyway. we're going to have to leave it there. doctor kyrees bennett, thank you very much. you're from peta. i mean, you'd have to go to thailand and tell people they can't have their delicacy. they eat worms and crickets and maybe not worms, crickets, grasshoppers. oh, and a variety of worms. yes, i might try those next time i'm in thailand. the first time i'm in thailand i had some snails last month. oh, well, there you go. that's a lovely french delicacy. >> yeah, i had them in spain, though. >> nice garlicky bit of parsley. delicious. >> i mean, you're basically just

eating garlic, aren't you? i imagine that's what a lot of these insects are actually frogs. >> next year. anyway, lots more coming up on today's show. gb news can exclusively reveal that more than 20,000 migrants have now crossed the english channel illegally yeah year. experts say. last year's figure will easily be passed

>> good afternoon britain. it's just gone 10 to 3 now. today, a milestone has been passed. we can exclusively reveal that more than 20,000 migrants have crossed the english channel illegally so far this year. >> yes, and the milestone was reached this morning as hundreds more made the journey in small boats. to break this down as our homeland security editor, mark white, break down these figures for us, then 20,000. >> yes, milestone was crossed mid—morning. when the first of, 8 or 9 boats came across the

engush 8 or 9 boats came across the english channel. and that has now taken us for today alone to 613 migrants who have crossed the english channel illegally. and that followed 526 who crossed the english channel in eight small boats yesterday . all eight small boats yesterday. all in all, it's about 20,400, just undeh in all, it's about 20,400, just under, for the year. so far. at a time, of course, when the new labour government has taken over and promised to clamp down on the people smugglers and stop the people smugglers and stop the trade in people across the engush the trade in people across the english channel. but so far there's been no let up, no slowdown in the numbers coming across the english channel. and in fact, we're on course to beat last year's total easily of 29,000. >> it's fascinating when we talk about these numbers and we talk in the context of keir starmer going over to berlin to talk to mr olaf scholz the chancellor of

germany, about about this, amongst other issues, germany this year is estimated to have 300,000 illegal migrant crossings into its borders, does does keir starmer have anything to learn from olaf scholz >> not particularly. they are grappling with a real and serious problem in terms of illegal migration, in terms of asylum seekers. of course, we had that terrible, terrorist attack that took place in germany over the weekend , that germany over the weekend, that has been attributed to an asylum seeker from syria. so they have real concerns, real worries in their population to , and their population to, and generally right across mainland europe, over their porous borders from southern europe, where many thousands of migrants are coming across the mediterranean from north africa

to the borders in eastern europe, where they're spilling across into poland and through bulgaria and hungary to get into the more affluent countries, germany or france and of course, many, as we know, trying to get to the shores of northern france to the shores of northern france to get to the uk. yes, it's not just our leaders who appear impotent in the face of this challenge. >> thank you very much. mark white. our home and security edhoh white. our home and security editor. that's it for the show . editor. that's it for the show. >> thank you indeed for watching. do join us again tomorrow. and of course, don't go anywhere at all because martin daubney is up next with some pretty astonishing exclusives on that notting hill carnival. don't go anywhere . carnival. don't go anywhere. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello, good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news

weather update brought to you from the met office. through the end of this week, it will be more widely settled. still some cooler nights though, but still feeling quite warm in the day. however, through the rest of this evening we've still got some wet weather to come for some wet weather to come for some north and western areas that will push into the south and east. due to this weather front moving south and eastwards throughout this evening. so bringing some showery outbreaks of rain to the likes of northeastern england . perhaps northeastern england. perhaps the odd shower across eastern areas of england as well, but that should generally clear away as the night goes on. so a clear and dry night to come once that rain does clear and we could see some mist and fog developing across more southern counties. so a fresher night with clearer skies . but that will make for skies. but that will make for a brighter start to thursday . so brighter start to thursday. so plenty of sunshine, particularly across eastern and southern areas of the uk. the north and west will see some heavier showers pushing in from western scotland first thing, so a wet start for western areas of scotland , parts of the scotland, parts of the highlands, the western isles temperatures only around 12 or 11 degrees. first thing more in the way of sunshine across parts of northern ireland and southern

areas of scotland, staying largely dry now we could see the odd shower across parts of wales, southwest england, northwest england, in fact. but many central and eastern areas will be very much dry through the morning and actually through much of tomorrow. it's looking like a fairly fine day. light winds for much of england and wales. it will feel quite pleasant in the sunshine, but the air is going to be fresher tomorrow, so we'll lose that humid feel that we have had today. so temperatures will be a little bit lower today compared tomorrow compared to today, just in the lower 20s, 23 or 24 at best in the south. and east, closer to those higher teens. further north we've got a fairly brisk breeze. in the north it will stay quite fresh well into the evening as well, potentially some quite strong winds affecting the northern isles through thursday evening . but through thursday evening. but the showers should move away to the showers should move away to the north and east through thursday, leaving a fine day quite widely through friday and saturday as well. a risk of showers arrives in the south from sunday, but by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather

gb news. >> a very, very good afternoon to you. >> hope you're having a corking day. let's make it even better. it's 3:00 pm and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. we're broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk . on today's show in 2018, the uk. on today's show in 2018, the uk. on today's show in 2018, the european union's donald tusk warned us there would be no post—brexit cherry picking. but that hasn't stopped prime minister keir starmer heading to berlin, looking to reset our relationship with germany and with the prime minister's next stop, paris. is it then brussels? and is this all part of starmer's grand plan to cosy up to the eu and begin the long road to rejoining? next up, some 500 illegal immigrants came ashore yesterday , taking the ashore yesterday, taking the grim tally now to over 20,000 this year. and that's more than

6000 since the labour party came into power.