gb news. >> hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb news live on tv, onune welcome to gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. it's 3:00 and for the next few hours me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion . it's mine, it's about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating and discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is former labour mp bill rammell and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. coming up on today's show, it's been confirmed that two people have died at the notting hill carnival. i'll be asking, is it time to move the event? labour mp for ilford south jaz atwell falls foul of his own scheme as the flats that he lets out are found to be mouldy and ant infested. >> i'm here at fairlop waters in redbndge >> i'm here at fairlop waters in redbridge with councillor jaz athwal , leader of redbridge athwal, leader of redbridge council. it's been brilliant

just meeting residents and people around and seeing the great work that redbridge council has been doing. despite conservative cuts and despite the unimaginable challenges of the unimaginable challenges of the pandemic. redbridge council has brought labour values to life. they've been building building homes, libraries and leisure centres. they've been protecting our key services really well in my. >> keir starmer claims he finds a picture of mrs. thatcher in the thatcher room unsettling. forget the iron lady. is keir starmer turning out to be the tin man? after all, his father was a toolmaker. then, in difficult conversations , difficult conversations, ex—offender turned entrepreneur stephen gillan, who spent time in jail with charles bronson, joins me to talk about his incredible story of rags to fiches incredible story of rags to riches and are the adults really in charge? here's angela rayner clubbing in ibiza . a four day

clubbing in ibiza. a four day working week . proposals have got working week. proposals have got employers running scared. will labour destroy productivity and growth in this country? but before we do all of that, let's get your latest news with sam francis . francis. >> good afternoon. it's 3:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom now to bring you more on that breaking news. >> a woman stabbed at notting hill carnival while attending the event with her three year old child has now died. cher maximum was attacked in broad daylight after she tried to intervene in a fight on sunday. the 32 year old was taken to hospital in a critical condition , hospital in a critical condition, but despite the best efforts of medical staff, she died from her injuries. detectives say they are working with the 32 year old's family and providing support to make sure the child is safe and looked after. we're

also hearing a top chef attacked in a separate incident during notting hill carnival has also now died. police found musaeum nato unconscious on the street in queensway before paramedics arrived. a 31 year old man has now been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. however, police are still looking for witnesses who may have seen mozzi between 1:00 on monday afternoon and the time of the attack just before 11:30 pm. in other news. error messages and glitches are hampering people's attempts to land tickets for the oasis reunion tour. experts are warning bots could be snapping up large numbers of tickets leading to website crashes and customers being blocked. ticketmaster, one of the major sellers, insists their site hasn't crashed, but fans are still reporting outages and long queues. still reporting outages and long queues . now a still reporting outages and long queues. now a 77 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a woman was found dead in gloucestershire.

officers were called to a house in fairfield road in cheltenham in fairfield road in cheltenham in the early hours of this morning, where they found a 66 year old woman with serious injuries. she died at the scene. police in the west midlands are actively investigating the fatal stabbing of a 13 year old boy. a murder inquiry has been launched following the tragic incident in oldbury on thursday, with no arrests yet made. west midlands police have assured the public that those responsible will be brought to justice. chief superintendent kim madill is urging residents to come forward with any information . with any information. >> we are following active lines of enquiry to find the suspects. we know that the incident took place inside his home, and i would appeal to anyone who has information to come forward. we have local officers and youth workers in the area over the coming days, so please speak to them directly if you have any concerns or information that you

would like to pass to us now. >> travellers at heathrow are facing disruption as border force staff go on strike today. around 650 members of the pcs union have walked out in protest over rota disputes with the strike lasting four days. further disruption is expected from wednesday as workers refuse to do overtime, leading to an overtime ban from september the 4th. despite the escalating tensions, the home office says it's committed to continuing the conversation to resolve the dispute. a newly elected labour mp has issued a public apology over reports of serious faults in some of his london rental properties. yasser athwal, who represented ilford south, owns 15 flats where tenants have complained about black mould and ant infestations. he says he's shocked at the reports and vowed to take immediate action to address the issue. new research

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over a failure to block accounts accused of spreading fake news and hate. in response, elon musk posted on x, calling the move an attack on the number one source of truth . those are the latest of truth. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to eight minutes after 3:00. >> this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio coming up in the great british debates this hour. i'm asking, can you trust labour to transform renters rights? newly elected mp, labour mp jazz athwal has been found to be renting out flats that have

black mould and are ant infested , black mould and are ant infested, breaching his own scheme. now he's the biggest landlord in the houses of parliament and house of commons, even renting out 15 flats serving a party that has committed to transforming renters rights in their manifesto. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking can you trust to labour reform renters rights? then will labour destroy productivity and growth in this country? whilst labour's deputy prime minister angela rayner, hits the headunes angela rayner, hits the headlines after she was spotted partying in a dj booth in a club in ibiza. >> angela has dropped a bomb on employers. she is proposing workers be given the rights to request a four day working week. but should the government be getting involved in mandating working the number of working days? surely this should be down to the employer. what if the employees refused? will the right to demand a four day working week deter business owners and reduce productivity? so for the great british debate this year, i'm asking do you think labour might destroy growth and productivity in this country with schemes like that? coming up, there's always something going on in the royal

household and this week has been no different. royal biographer angela levin will be here to give us an update and as ever, send me your thoughts, post your comments gbnews.com/yoursay . comments gbnews.com/yoursay. right. well, let's get to our top story. this hour. a 32 year old mother and a man who were attacked in two separate incidents over the notting hill carnival weekend have died. now the metropolitan police said that cher maximum, who had been at the carnival last sunday with her three year old daughter, died in hospital this morning. separately, mercy nato, who worked as a chef and was found unconscious on monday evening near notting hill, has also died from his injuries. so joining me, now retired scotland yard detective mike neville. mike, thank you very much for joining me. now listen, mike, last year |, me. now listen, mike, last year i, i pitched an article to the daily mail to write about carnival. i said, it needs to be moved. i said, it's not safe. you cannot have people running around with machetes. and here

we are now dealing with the aftermath of yet another carnival. the list is always this way. mike, what is your thoughts on carnival? >> well, firstly, and it's obviously a tragedy. you know, two people to lose their lives. no event should cost that. now, if the notting hill carnival was moved and placed in somewhere like hyde park and had some kind of barriers around it, that they could control, the access and of people were bringing in weapons or drugs or whatever, particularly weapons at the moment that there's some knife arches. but of course you only have to know somebody who lives in the carnival area, and you can go and get a knife out of their kitchen drawer, or you can hide a knife 3 or 4 days before and get it then. so i just think if it was more controlled in a better place , we might not see better place, we might not see these tragedies. and often with politicians, it takes some sort of awfulness, some tragedy, to make them rethink things . and make them rethink things. and the sad thing is, is that the death of these two people who had a full life ahead of them and a child is named motherless, to do something about it.

>> well, >> well, i'm >> well, i'm still, >> well, i'm still, i >> well, i'm still, i mean »— >> well, i'm still, i mean , i >> well, i'm still, i mean, i don't know whether sadiq khan has made any statements or said anything. i'm still waiting to hear him say something. he said in himself, in his own speech a little while ago, that he's scared in london for being openly muslim. well, you know, i think and i did do a monologue saying we are all scared in london in particular. it's a frightening place to be that we just lost mike. but we will come back to him. but joining me now, though, in the studio, conservative member of the london assembly, andrew boff. andrew. so i'm going to come to you with regard to carnival, it's been going for many years. it's been a success, but it's got bigger and bigger and bigger. what are your thoughts on this? two people have died, you know , within you know, those you know, within you know, those people who are proposing as an alternative that the carnival could be moved, should not be being accused of nefarious activity, you know, and not being a racist or against the community, >> it is a successful carnival

because so many people want to go to it. yeah, but it's become so large that it's really difficult to police and keep people safe. and we know that dunng people safe. and we know that during the during the last carnival, for example, 10% of those people who were stopped and searched by the police, 10% then went on to be arrested for carrying things like knives, machetes and all the rest of it . machetes and all the rest of it. there needs to be more stop and search because that is keeping people safer. and we also have to consider whether or not even part of the carnival can be moved elsewhere, because the police are finding it difficult to police it. and we've got to listen to the professionals. they're the ones that are keeping us safe. but but it's an important part of london's life, so it must continue . so it must continue. >> my thoughts on this. and i'm wondering what is the resistance

for it being moved? i know you said part of it. i don't get what the problem is. you can still carry on the carnival. it's just, you know, the people who live in notting hill live there. they they border their windows. you can see people having a pee outside their house. yes. it's just happened to my. >> a cousin of mine lived in notting, notting hill not too long ago, and that was exactly her experience. people relieving themselves in her her garden . themselves in her her garden. and it's just it can be intolerable for people in in notting hill during that period. and i'm fully aware that that culture needs to be celebrated . culture needs to be celebrated. the culture of carnival needs to be celebrated, but in order to celebrate it safely, it perhaps should be moved. >> and i'm also looking at the because a lot of people are calling care to take care. and all this and, you know, look that aside. but there were rioters at the beginning of keir starmer's prime ministership . starmer's prime ministership. and now you have something like carnival, where people are

actively behaving in a terrible way. i'm hoping that he's going to be as fast litigiously as he was with the rioters. >> well, i do think it's also down to the mayor of london as well. well, let's bring him in and we will. we will, we will certainly be asking for a very thorough report on carnival this yean thorough report on carnival this year, we shouldn't forget that the vast majority of people who went to carnival enjoyed it, and it was a positive experience for them. but that shouldn't hide them. but that shouldn't hide the fact that for some people, it's an opportunity for them to stab, for them to steal, for and them to create misery for other people . and here just today, people. and here just today, we've heard of what happens if you don't police. well, if you aren't, you don't give the police the tools to do the job. and one of the tools is police carnival in a place that's easier to supervise. >> it has to be. it has to be really so sad to hear the death of two people. it's awful. it is

really awful. i'm hoping that mayor khan, if you are listening, i don't know whether he does watch gb news. i'd like to hear what he has to say with regard to all of this. because, you know, london is riddled with knife crime as is, as are other other cities in this, in this country. but carnival seems to be an opportunity for many to just run amok. but so what do you think? what are your thoughts? gbnews.com/yoursay, i've got a question up on x asking you whether notting hill carnival should be moved. please place your thoughts and comments there. we'll read them throughout the show. but breaking news. two people who have died after notting hill carnival. they died today on the same day. right now, moving on to another big story really. and thatis to another big story really. and that is of course a labour mp apologising after reports of serious faults in some of his london rental properties. now the new elected representative for ilford south, jas athwal, has been found to be renting out flats with black mould and ant

infestations. now he is the biggest landlord in the houses of parliament. he's got house of commons, sorry with 15 homes and serves a party that's committed to transforming renters rights in their manifesto. now here he is with the prime minister, sir keir starmer, speaking alongside mr atwell back in 2021. >> i'm here at fairlop waters in redbndge >> i'm here at fairlop waters in redbridge with councillor jaz athwal, leader of redbridge council. it's been brilliant just meeting residents and people around and seeing the great work that redbridge council has been doing . despite council has been doing. despite conservative cuts and despite the unimaginable challenges of the unimaginable challenges of the pandemic. redbridge council has brought labour values to life. they've been building building homes , libraries and building homes, libraries and leisure centres . they've been leisure centres. they've been protecting our key services . protecting our key services. >> well, in a statement, jaz archewell described himself as a renters champion, adding i'm shocked at the reported

conditions of a number of the properties and have asked the managing agent for an explanation and immediate action to rectify any issues. well, look, i have been a landlord for many years , you know, only by many years, you know, only by default as an accidental landlord. i moved somewhere, didn't sell the house that i was in, and i've been renting out my property for over 20 years, and i've been through situations there or there as a managing agent, and i've known exactly what's going on. so joining me to discuss is andrew divoff. andrew, how can he say that? he doesn't know he had no idea. even when there is money that needs to come out of the account to do something to fix the property. the agent is on you for that money. >> well, i'm astonished that he doesn't know because i knew. i went and walked around those properties and i talked to the to talk to the some of his tenants. and i'll tell you if he is an example of what labour thinks is rent of labour thinks is going to of good landlords , is going to of good landlords, then god save us all because because the properties were

appalling. it was the kind of place that you wanted to wipe your feet on the way out, if you know what i mean. tenants complained about poor service. there was mould, there was damp in many of the rooms. there were there were ant infestation . it's there were ant infestation. it's just it's just appalling. and the point is, if the labour party don't take any action against jaz archewell, then what value are any of their statements about renters rights? what value at all? the vast majority of landlords are really good. they're good to their their tenants. they look after their tenants. they look after the condition of the properties. and just saying it was down to the managing agent really isn't good enough, because the ultimately the person who's responsible is the landlord themselves. the buck stops there. he really should do. but there. he really should do. but the worst thing about this , the the worst thing about this, the real, most awful thing about this was the jaz athwal was the

one who introduced this licensing scheme in redbridge. now it goes to show how valuable these licensing schemes are. >> now, the licensing scheme was that landlords had to reach a certain criteria to be able to be landlords as that policy. >> well, what if you let out a property in in redbridge, then you have to have a licence. now that's an additional cost for landlords and i quite i mean they sold us as this licensing scheme as being a way in which they could improve the stock, improve those lettered properties properties. but actually all it is, all it ends up being is a register of honest landlords , those honest landlords, those honest landlords, those honest landlords who who comply with the legislation and register. it doesn't do anything for people like jaz archewell. he didn't register, he didn't have a licence and yet he told everybody else in redbridge that they had landlords in redbridge, that they had to have one. i mean, there's a word for that. >> well, yeah, because look,

even if he claims that he didn't know about this, let's just say that he's this is truthful and that he's this is truthful and that he's this is truthful and that he doesn't know. >> yeah. okay. i would have forgiven him. but that's not what the first thing he said was . what the first thing he said was. what he said, first of all, is there's nothing to see here. i comply with all the regulations and all my tenants are ever so happy. >> were clearly there because the bottom line is , even if he the bottom line is, even if he claims that he didn't know about this, he did not have a licence. no, he didn't have a licence. it's his own scheme. >> now, wouldn't you have thought that the person who would have brought it in would realise that their obligations were to have a licence? so the labour party has got to take action if they don't take action against him. we know what they whether or not they're going to be serious in government. but, you know, bits of the labour manifesto are disappearing every week. so perhaps, perhaps this one will too. >> andrew boff, thank you very much for coming in. really good to hear your thoughts. that's andrew. he's a member of the london assembly. right. still to come, conservative member of andrew boff, who's just spoken to us with his thoughts. what

are your thoughts? gbnews.com forward slash your say. coming up richard ricardo blanco property expert may well join us. but first will labour destroy productivity in this country? stay tuned. is on the way. is

gb news. good afternoon. 24 minutes after 3:00. if you've just tuned in. welcome. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. i'm nana akua and it's time now for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking, can you trust labour to transform renters rights? i mean, all of this as newly elected labour mp james archewell has been found to be renting out flats that have black mould and ant infestations. he's the biggest landlord in the houses of commons, renting 15 homes and serving a party that committed to transforming renters rights in their manifesto. he represents ilford south. he he actually introduced the licensing for landlords in his

constituency, which is quite interesting. so for the great british debate, that's all i'm asking. can you trust labour to transform renters rights? joining me is property expert ricardo blanco or richard blanco.i ricardo blanco or richard blanco. i can't help it. ricardo blanco. i can't help it. ricardo blanco it just sounds good, doesn't it? >> good afternoon nana lovely to see you. you can call me either right now. >> let's do this. labour in james archewell has come out with this licensing for landlords. give us a brief summary of what that entails. and he was found not to have a license for the thing that he introduced his own scheme. >> that's right. nana. it's been reported that seven of his properties that should have what's called a selective license don't have a license. >> i believe that's the case. that's what's been reported. anyway, these are pretty expensive, actually, and it's a bit of a scandal, really, that, redbndge bit of a scandal, really, that, redbridge council hasn't discovered the fact that he doesn't have those licenses , doesn't have those licenses, given that he is the former leader of the council , now, you leader of the council, now, you know, a lot of landlords are

really fed up with licensing because it's very costly. >> and as was said in your previous discussion, all the good landlords tend to pay for these. >> and then the bad landlords just get away with it because they're not found out what we'd like to see, i think really is a kind of light touch registration scheme. maybe something like the property portal that, both the last government and the new government are talking about, replacing licensing so that, you know, there's a more effective scheme, really, to catch out people who have not bothered to pay people who have not bothered to pay for the licence because that would have caught him out, wouldn't it? >> but somehow he's got away with these properties being mould infested and also full of ants, which and i mean, i saw some of the clips there were where the smoke alarms and detectors were supposed to be. they were hanging off the walls. there's no way that i could get i could get away with that. and tenants were complaining. so, ricardo, i've got to go because i've got to bring in my panel. it's been short and sweet, but thank you very much. ricardo blanco, really good to talk to you. right. well, joining me

now, former labour mp , bill now, former labour mp, bill rammell and broadcaster lizzie cundy. we'll start with you, bill rammell. you're a labour man. that's not good enough, is it? >> no, it's not good enough. i think it's really concerning letting out so many properties where, you know, there are health concerns. >> there's cleanliness concerns and they're not registering for the scheme that he set up as the leader. >> well, we know that. but he's from the labour party. no no no ho. 110. >> no. >> let me finish. >> let me finish. >> i think there's enough evidence to actually suspend the whip from him pending an investigation, well , given the investigation, well, given the red card totally . surely in any red card totally. surely in any situation, you have to get all the facts. but i think there's enough evidence to suspend the whip. and, you know, keir starmer's been really tough on conduct of mps in opposition. >> and that's even more important in government whip. >> just explain this to our viewers. >> he would no longer hold the labour whip. >> he wouldn't get information from the labour party. he wouldn't attend labour party meetings. there would then be an investigation and he could lose it , lose the whip completely, it, lose the whip completely, and which would mean he'd become

and which would mean he'd become an independent. >> yes. in his seat. i'd probably go further. lizzie. i mean, throw the book at him. i think this is by—election territory, surely. >> totally , absolutely. it's >> totally, absolutely. it's disgraceful. i don't trust this government bill. you know that i don't. i wouldn't trust them with my granny and i wouldn't have. they've taken her winter fuel allowance before we took office. >> look, look , these licences >> look, look, these licences are very costly. >> and the bad ones of these landlords seem to get away with it. and that is the worry. and what's happening now. landlords are just selling up. we have a huge housing problem. 35,000 landlords just are selling up. they can't do this . they're just they can't do this. they're just getting taxed to death . and, you getting taxed to death. and, you know, the government should be looking at working with them and keeping them in the arena . my keeping them in the arena. my friend that's a landlady just said it's absolutely a nightmare these days. and she's an honest one. there are some about unlike, you know, and redbridge council honestly they should know better . it's absolutely

disgraceful. >> what does that say about the labour party that somebody like that can be going under the radar for so long without anyone saying anything? >> well, you don't know what every mp is doing in their private life all the time. >> that's it. but that's. but hold on, hold on. that's a ridiculous thing to say. you could never know what anyone is doing in their private life. you don't know. so my point is this . don't know. so my point is this. how could somebody so prominent get away with this sort of behaviour for so long within the labour party? >> well, i don't know the answer to that. >> what ? >> what? >> what? >> it's his own scheme. >> it's his own scheme. >> what is important is the information has now come out. come out and i've honestly said caught out. >> yeah. and i didn't come out honestly was he. >> i've honestly said that he should have the whip suspended and there should be disciplinary action. but none of that gets away from the fact. and look, i declare an interest. i'm a landlord and i act responsibly and i think, and this notion, lizzie, that all landlords are leaving the private rented sector , i don't think is borne

sector, i don't think is borne out by five 35,000. >> are are these stats these are these are stats. >> this is fact 35,000 are leaving the housing market. and you all want to build houses. even if you built a house every two minutes, there wouldn't be enough. but tell me. >> tell me which bit of labour's reform for renters you disagree with ending section 21 no fault evictions, stopping the bidding war that the highest. >> okay, so you asked a question. i will tell you which bit, stopping section 21 evictions, especially when there is no backup for the court system. so what you're effectively saying is you're leaving a landlord with a tenant who may be destroying the property, and they are stuck with them because the court processing is so slow. so to bnng processing is so slow. so to bring that in without the backup is absurd. well, we haven't brought people . brought people. >> we've not brought it in yet. >> we've not brought it in yet. >> there will be a time. and yes, we need to get a grip with the court system. >> well, that i would be doing that first without scaring landlords, even by the very nofion landlords, even by the very notion that labour have announced it is scaring landlords . but you're losing thousands. >> nothing wrong. you're doing nothing wrong. you've got

nothing wrong. you've got nothing to fear from a rental crisis , bill. crisis, bill. >> we've got a rental crisis and thousands of properties are now going. landlords can't do it anymore. they can't afford to be anymore. they can't afford to be a landlord. >> that's the truth. even if you came because thousands of landlords do it and make a good living, there's no tax breaks for them. you don't make a good living out of it, bill. these are lies. you must know that. surely there is no you don't even get. even if you. >> well, i know what income i get on my own property that you pay is not even tax deductible. >> so nothing is tax deductible anymore, even though it's a cost. so i know that i've been a landlord for over 20 years. i'm well aware of how it was at the beginning and how it is now. but my point is this and let's come back to jazz archewell. he is a member of the labour party. he brought in the licensing scheme for somebody like that to be flouting it. how can people disgraceful. my question how can people trust labour? he's been in their ranks for many years. >> well you trust labour by its words. >> its, its actions, not their words. >> and the reforms we are going

to bring in will make it safer and more secure for renters . and more secure for renters. >> because there are. and look, he's an example on the face of it, of an unscrupulous landlord. and people need protecting from from unscrupulous landlords. >> and he needs to be thrown out. >> well, he may well be. >> well, he may well be. >> he's an example of a bad landlord. while sitting in the house of commons. in fact, he's the biggest landlord there. interesting, right? well, in a statesman, just stop oil describes himself as a renters champion. and this is even after this had been uncovered. i'm shocked at the reported condition of a number of the properties and have asked the managing agent for an explanation and immediate action to rectify any issues. 32 minutes after 3:00. make of that what you will. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. it's a bit like the shocking black hole, we're live on tv, onune black hole, we're live on tv, online and on digital radio, coming up, we'll be going behind the palace walls with until 11. but first, let's get your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler .

wenzler. >> nana. thank you. good afternoon. it's 332. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. a woman stabbed at notting hill carnival while attending the event with her three year old child has now died . sher maximum child has now died. sher maximum was attacked in broad daylight after she tried to intervene in after she tried to intervene in a fight on sunday. the 32 year old was taken to hospital in a critical condition. but despite the best efforts of medical staff, she died from her injuries. detectives say they are working with the 32 year old's family and providing support to make sure the child is safe and looked after. meanwhile, a top chef attacked in a separate incident during notting hill carnival has died. police found museum nato unconscious on the street in queensway before paramedics arrived. a 31 year old man has now been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder . however, of attempted murder. however, police are still looking for witnesses who may have seen

mercy between 1:00 on monday afternoon and the time of the attack just before 11:30 pm. a pensioner is being questioned on suspicion of murder following an incident in cheltenham, gloucestershire. police were called to a property in the early hours of this morning where they found a 66 year old woman with serious injuries. she died at the scene . police in the died at the scene. police in the west midlands are actively investigating the fatal stabbing of a 13 year old boy, a murder inquiry has been launched following the tragic incident in oldbury on thursday, with no arrests yet made . west midlands arrests yet made. west midlands police have assured the public that those responsible will be brought to justice. a 32 year old woman has been arrested in germany after six people were injured in a knife attack on a bus heading to a festival last night. three of those attacked in the incident east of cologne are in a life threatening condition. another three have been discharged from hospital .

been discharged from hospital. german authorities say there is no evidence of political or religious motive and featureless classrooms, with pupils being taught by ai are being trialled at a london school this year , a at a london school this year, a class of 20 gcse students at david game college will spend the year learning from bots. the school says the tech will pinpoint the areas pupils need help with, but headteachers say education shouldn't be taken out of educators hands. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward

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after 3:00. i'm nana akua this is gb news. welcome. we're live on tv , online and on digital on tv, online and on digital radio. now. there's always something going on in the royal household. and this week has been no different. and every saturday, i'd love to give you a rundown. and who better to do so than royal biographer angela levin? angela, what have we got? >> hello. there's an awful lot, but i think the main interesting thing is that prince harry said a week or so two weeks ago, i think it was the absolutely wasn't going to go to his uncle's funeral because there wasn't enough protection for him. but actually he's crept there in norfolk and he turned up unexpectedly for the general public. and his his uncle , lord public. and his his uncle, lord fellowes, who's married to jane spencen fellowes, who's married to jane spencer, who was diana's sister, who was the most practical and helpful of the three children.

the three girls. and she's done an awful lot for harry. she went when he died. when her mother died, she took an enormous present for his birthday at eton. you know , she went to say eton. you know, she went to say to recognise the ten years of the invictus games. she was there for the revealing the statue of diana , and she's been statue of diana, and she's been there for him whenever needed. and i thought it was just terrible. he wasn't going to go there, but he has been there. he didn't talk to william. william didn't talk to william. william didn't talk to him. i don't think you can do that. when you go to a funeral, you know, start talking and it might get unpleasant. but i do think it's quite interesting because one it is. did he get any protection? who knows? and if he didn't, if he takes the government to court yet again , they would say, well, yet again, they would say, well, look, we managed without that . look, we managed without that. but we don't know about that. but we don't know about that. but also the paper that the magazine that does loads for

them, harry and meghan, they were the ones who said he wasn't going so they said what he wanted them to say. and there must be a bit upset that actually he's, got he's used them to pretend that he's not going, uses a little bit of subterfuge to tell people you're doing something and you're not doing, and then do the thing. >> that's all he needs. he doesn't need any protection. i mean, how did he get there? probably in a bombardier private jet that gives off 60 times more carbon than anybody. anybody else. yes. >> well, we don't know about that, but he i think the good thing was that he was there and of course, today is, remembrance day for diana. she's the day she died . so that he went there and died. so that he went there and he was with her side of the family. and i think that that's , family. and i think that that's, very good and might help him feel a bit better about things. >> i just wish they'd stopped this rift. i mean, it's just it's not doing anybody any favours at all. nobody's benefiting from it. neither of them are doing well out of it. william is not doing well out of it. harry is not doing well out

of it. the king is not doing well out of it. meghan markle's not doing well out of it. why can't they just. >> no, i don't think it's that easy.i >> no, i don't think it's that easy. i think that they might do much worse if they were together again. you can't trust him. that's the trouble. he's sold anything that's worthwhile that people have said to him and william quite understandably, is protecting catherine. they've been incredibly unpleasant about him. he can take it himself. he's a big, strong man. but i think and also king charles has to be fearful that he's got this cancer and he can't have anything that really upsets him. he doesn't want harry to come in and make demands, which is what he's done every time. so far. and harry's got to go back to the old harry, and i can't see him doing that. you know, he's hardened. i knew him when he was softer and willing, and he was actually known to sort of sort out problems within the royal family because he was very good at making things better. he's not that now. he's absolutely

the direct opposite. and you've got to think of meghan. meghan hates the uk. she won't come here unless she gets a huge home and a huge clothes and all the rest of it, that that's the reason she won't come here. >> i think the reason wasn't it more that she doesn't like the british people or something. i mean, i think, well, she doesn't like the country and i don't think that she would want to be here. >> she talks in terms of global. she thinks the uk is a tiny little country. so who cares about that? >> didn't prince harry say the reason was that he was scared of acid attack of some sort of attack on her? that's why he didn't want to. why he didn't want to bring her here. >> yeah, but that acid attack was something that is very rare. and they are looked after . we and they are looked after. we all can feel about that. i don't think that's it. i think he makes it up. i think he's not bringing her over. and certainly not the children as a sort of fact that the king can't see them. it's you give me sort of blackmailing. yes absolutely. blackmail that way. i do feel that that's what he's doing because he is hardened and he

wants revenge, and she wants revenge. they do feel i think they've had a marvellous beginning, but they don't . and beginning, but they don't. and particularly not for meghan and that's not going to work, really. >> what more could you possibly want? you have everything. what more could you possibly ask for? >> well, she doesn't want to be number five and six in line. >> can't change that. i mean, maybe maybe that's what it is. but i think she was upset or something. somebody has done something, but it really is time to move on and just show some forgiveness on all sides. i think . think. >> but i don't think so. >> but i don't think so. >> it's difficult . difficult >> it's difficult. difficult with spare. >> yes we can. one of the things we can do is to wait till the spare comes out in paperback. because. no, no , because it's because. no, no, because it's quite interesting, just as much as you can take a chapter, which i'm going to do, you can take out material. so if he takes out all the nasty things that he's said about his family, then maybe that would be a big shine

sign that it would be much better. i have to wait and see. i'll be looking through when it comes out. i think it will be just spare on content and thank you very much . you very much. >> that is royal biographer angela levin. so there you have it. well stay tuned. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio, 45 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua next. will labour destroy in this country? find out what

48 minutes after 3:00. if you've just tuned in. where have you been? sorry. i forgive you now. i'm glad you're here. now it's time for the great british debate this out. and i'm asking, will labour destroy productivity in this country? now, the reason i ask is because the government says that it won't. it won't impose a four day working week. but would encourage workers to be able to ask for flexible

working. now labour says that it's focused on compressed hours. this is what they're calling it, allowing employees to work longer over fewer days, not reducing the total hours. the conservatives have criticised the proposals, claiming businesses are concerned about potential costs. so what do you think? is this realistic? should the government be potentially mandating for companies to enable this four day working week, even if it's totally impractical? some of the great british debate this year i'm asking, will labour potentially destroy productivity in this country? well, joining me now, former labour mp, bill rammell and broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. i would normally come to bill because it's a labour question, but i'll start with you, lizzie. >> i think that labour are going on about growth, growth, growth. i mean, how really four days a week are we breeding a whole nafion week are we breeding a whole nation of hermits that are going to want to stay at home? bill. this is what's happening. i mean, this is going to affect productivity. of course it is. i just don't know how you can fit your whole , you know, week's

your whole, you know, week's work into a four day. and it's just i just feel we need to have people working five days . when people working five days. when we're saying four days, it's just like we're as i say, breeding a whole nation of hermits that aren't going to leave the house. >> but, lizzie, the point here is that is it for the government to determine how an employer should conduct his working structure? because what do they know? every business is not the same. it's not it. >> i mean, why don't they just butt out of it? are we. they're telling us to do everything and we can't even, you know, have a cigarette in the pub garden at the minute. literally. it's up to the, you know, the boss now. you know, the employer is going to rule the roost. i think it's an absolute travesty and it's going to affect the economy. we need growth , growth and to be need growth, growth and to be working hard. just ask charlie mullins. >> bill rammell do you know what, lizzie? >> you might hold that view. the majority of the public don't agree with you. >> where did you get that from? >> where did you get that from? >> you look at the polling. >> you look at the polling. >> the majority people are behind the workers rights agenda that labour is bringing. >> but there are no no no no no

no no. there are some things in the agenda that people do agree with and i am with you, but not all of it. let's stay with this one. yeah, i'm coming on to that. we'll stay with it. >> start with disability in the workplace. not mandatory. can actually boost productivity for people who've got children, for people who've got children, for people who've got caring responsibilities. this might actually get them into the workplace in a way that the current working situation doesn't. so i think it's got real potential and can help us to move forward. there are other issues where i actually think there are real concerns. for example, since covid, people were predominantly working from home, i think is a real detriment to productivity and innovation, and i think there ought to be almost a default position that you should work in the office for at least three days a week. >> but, but, but the labour party have slightly the opposite view, hasn't they? you've got a right to demand flexible working hours or should be written in with your contract. but, but but the point that we're making here is that, the employee has the

right to ask for these flexible hours. if the employer says no , hours. if the employer says no, we now have a legal issue because the employee can then start looking to take the employer to court as long as long as the request is reasonably looked at. >> how can you check? >> how can you check? >> there is no how can you check? well, no. no, just just there's no case for taking it to court. >> look, no, there is there is no, no, no, there's been a legal. >> how can you check around the responsibility? how can you check, though? so let's think about the channel migrants. somebody says they're gay or somebody says, oh, i'm a i'm a i'm a christian. i'm going to be persecuted. and then they do a little few hail marys, and then how can you check if somebody's saying, the reason why i want this four day working week is x and the employer says no. how can the then the person decides to take the employer to court. it might be something the employer cannot check, but all the employer has got to do is reasonably consider it and actually communicate that effectively. and then then they've not got anything to be taken to court. >> exactly. this is championed by the unions, isn't it? do you not think it is. >> i angela rayner did put this

together with the unions just so you know, she did this just before she went raving. >> she she sorted this out. i actually think this is a real worry . we're on our knees as a worry. we're on our knees as a country. we are broken. britain we need people to get out there and work hard, be focused it's good for your mind, your soul to be working. this is the last thing we need to be told. a four day week. we need to rebuild britain after 14 wasted years, four days a week and then go and have a nap. >> hold on, there's still going to be working the same number of hours. >> there's still going to be the same level of productivity work that your whole week into four days. >> monday to thursday, you work longer hours than you otherwise would. if you if you're working monday to friday. but i tell you what the biggest hypocrisy is from the tory party who are now opposing this measure. >> their 2019 manifesto said flexible working should be the default position. >> yeah, but that's why flexible working for the default position. yes, but that's for the the employer to determine, not for an employee to be able to demand. oh, i need to have only four days, even though i'm going to compress the hours. it

has to really be down to the employer. but what do you think ? employer. but what do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay on the way? my gbnews.com/yoursay on the way? my niggle on mr tinman. but you might know him as prime minister. sir keir starmer. now let's get an update with your weather. stay tuned . loads more weather. stay tuned. loads more still to come. gbnews.com/yoursay for your comments. i will read those out throughout the show, but now let's find out what it's going to be like where you are . to be like where you are. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello! here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we're starting the weekend on a fine note across the bulk of the uk, but over the next couple of days things are turning more unsettled. increasingly humid for a while and we'll start to see some thundery downpours developing in places too. high pressure is pulling away towards the north—east of the uk now, allowing a south easterly feed to develop . this warm front to develop. this warm front starts to introduce more in the way of cloud from the south, particularly across parts of england and wales. as we head through the evening into the

overnight period, 1 or 2 showers also breaking out from that cloud as it starts to thicken from the south, particularly towards the south—east of england later in the night. here there could be thundery in nature those showers, whereas towards the north—west it's clearest. we'll hold on to some good clear spells right through the night here, turning locally quite chilly with temperatures dipping into single figures, but towards the south of the uk. increasingly warm and humid temperatures here in the mid to upper teens. so we start to sunday, then on a pretty clear note towards the north and northwest of the uk, 1 or 2 mist or fog patches in places, though soon burning away to give some sunshine temperatures. responding into the low teens by the early morning, as the sun starts to get to work on those temperatures further south though, into england and wales again, more in the way of cloud around. still 1 or 2 showers locally on the heavy side at this stage, mainly towards the south—east of england, and again 1 or 2 of those showers could be thundery in nature . on the whole thundery in nature. on the whole sunday will be a cloudy day than on saturday. i think the best of the sunshine lingering towards the sunshine lingering towards the north—west of the uk. there but elsewhere a fair bit of cloud and a few showers also breaking out in places, particularly across central and southern parts of england and

later across the north of england, to some of those showers turning heavy and thundery could give 1 or 2 problems, i think in places with some flooding issues. so the best of the lingering brightness towards the north—west of the uk. notice though, towards the south—east it's very warm and humid temperatures here into the high 20s, 27 celsius. that's 81 in fahrenheit, a bit cooler towards the north—west in the high teens into sunday evening, the showers start to migrate their way northwards, a few starting to push into scotland as we head through sunday evening. elsewhere, though, holding to on a few clear spells. on the whole, though, the start of next week looks pretty unsettled. showers or longer spells of rain around, perhaps turning a bit drier towards the middle part of the coming week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather

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for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines right now . this show headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me in the next few hours, former labour mp bill rammell and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundyin broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy in the news today. of course, the top story has been confirmed that two people have died at the notting hill carnival. i'll be asking is it time to move the event? then in my niggle, sir keir starmer claims he finds a picture of mrs. thatcher in the thatcher room unsettling. forget the iron lady. room unsettling. forget the iron lady . is sir room unsettling. forget the iron lady. is sir keir room unsettling. forget the iron lady . is sir keir starmer lady. is sir keir starmer turning out to be the tin man after all, his father was a toolmaker and in difficult conversations , ex—offender conversations, ex—offender turned entrepreneur stephen gideon, who spent time in jail with charles bronson, joins me to talk about his incredible story of rags to riches. then are the adults really in charge ? are the adults really in charge? here's angela rayner clubbing in

ibiza, her four day working week proposals have got employers running scared. will labour destroy productivity and growth in this country? but before we get started, let's get your latest news with sophia wenzler . latest news with sophia wenzler. >> nana. thank you. good afternoon. it's 4:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour. wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour . a woman top story this hour. a woman stabbed at notting hill carnival while attending the event with her three year old child has now died . cher maximum was attacked died. cher maximum was attacked in broad daylight after she tried to intervene in a fight on sunday. the 32 year old was taken to hospital in a critical condition . apologies, but condition. apologies, but despite the best efforts of medical staff, she died from her injuries. detectives say they are working with the 32 year old's family and providing support to make sure the child is safe and looked after.

meanwhile, a top chef attacked in a separate incident during notting hill carnival has also died. police found museum nato unconscious on the street in queensway before paramedics arrived . a 31 year old man has arrived. a 31 year old man has now been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. however police are still looking for witnesses who may have seen muzzy between 1:00 on monday afternoon and the time of the attack just before 11:30 pm. a 77 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a woman was found dead in gloucestershire. officers were called to a house in fairfield roadin called to a house in fairfield road in cheltenham in the early hours of this morning, where they found a 66 year old woman with serious injuries. she died at the scene. police in the west midlands are actively investigating the fatal stabbing of a 13 year old boy, a murder inquiry has been launched following the tragic incident in oldbury on thursday, with no

arrests yet made. west midlands police have assured the public that those responsible will be brought to justice. chief superintendent kim madill is urging residents to come forward with any information and we are following active lines of enquiry to find the suspects . enquiry to find the suspects. >> we know that the incident took place inside his home and i would appeal to anyone who has information to come forward. we have local officers and youth workers in the area over the coming days, so please speak to them directly if you have any concerns or information that you would like to pass to us. >> in other news, travellers at heathrow are facing disruption as border force staff go on strike today. around 650 members of the pcs union have walked out in protest over rota disputes, with the strike lasting four days. further disruption is expected from wednesday as workers refuse to do overtime, leading to an overtime ban from

the 4th of september. despite the 4th of september. despite the escalating tensions, the home office says it's committed to continuing the conversation to continuing the conversation to resolve the dispute. a newly elected labour mp has issued a pubuc elected labour mp has issued a public apology over reports of serious faults in some of his london rental properties. jaz athwal, who represents ilford south, owns 15 flats where tenants have complained about black mould and ant infestations. he says he's shocked at the reports and vowed to take immediate to action address the issues. now new research reveals ozempic might do more than fight obesity. it could also slow down ageing. in a study of over 17,000 people aged 45 and older, the anti—obesity drug semaglutide not only reduces the risk of death for the heart disease, but also cuts mortality rates from all causes, experts say. the breakthrough could have significant implications for

treating obesity and extending healthy lifespan . fighting will healthy lifespan. fighting will pause in gaza tomorrow as part of a plan to roll out polio vaccines to hundreds and thousands of children. the scheme will be staggered during breaks in the conflict over three days. last week, health officials confirmed that a baby had been paralysed by the virus, the first such case in the territory. in 25 years. and the social media platform x has been bannedin social media platform x has been banned in brazil after a long standing disinformation row. the move follows a feud between elon musk and the brazilian supreme court over a failure to block accounts accused of spreading fake news and hate. in response, elon musk posted on x, calling the move an attack on the number one source of truth , and parts one source of truth, and parts of england could see flooding this weekend as heavy rain and thunderstorms sweep across the southwest. the met office have issued a yellow warning for flooding, power cuts and travel

disruption . up to 75mm of rain disruption. up to 75mm of rain could fall in under an hour with lightning, hail and strong winds also posing threats. despite the uncertainty, residents across southern and central england are being urged to stay alert for sudden severe weather. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon. it is fast approaching seven minutes after 4:00 am. nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. conviction politician sir keir starmer is not. i suspect that's why he couldn't bear to have the image of mrs. thatcher looking down on him. in my view, she was

everything that he's not to next the iron lady, he's more like a tin man. margaret thatcher was our first ever female prime minister, so a woman , no penis. minister, so a woman, no penis. and she was the longest serving prime minister of the 20th century. three terms in office. mrs. thatcher had the iron lady being able to stand up and defend her beliefs, answer questions from those who may have held a different view, shows that she had the courage of her convictions. and i don't mean the jailing kind . being mean the jailing kind. being able to take people with you or even win them over with logic and reason. that's to be respected . since sir keir respected. since sir keir starmer became prime minister, i even though he was not my choice, i was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and support the democratic vote. i used the word loosely because only about 20% of the electorate voted for him . but that's the voted for him. but that's the system we've got and more fool us. if we didn't go out and use it. but with every passing press conference thus far. keir starmer has declined to take a question from gb news. why? what

is he afraid of? mrs. thatcher would never have done that. she was fearless. the iron lady and that's why ex—labour leader gordon brown proudly commissioned a £100,000 painting of her, which sat prominently in the thatcher room until now . the thatcher room until now. gordon unveiled the painting to the iron lady at a private reception in 2009. it's painted by richard stone, one of britain's leading portrait artists. we've been told repeatedly by our now government, and they're blatantly biased supporters like carol vorderman, that the adults are back in charge. but how childish is that ? removing an childish is that? removing an image of a three time election hero when keir was after the tory voters, he commended her. >> the rule of law is the foundation for everything. margaret thatcher called it the first duty of government and she was right about that, an expression of individual liberty , expression of individual liberty, our rights and responsibilities .

our rights and responsibilities. >> it seems odd that since winning over many with his rhetoric, that he can't even bear her painting in the same room, judging by keir's first eight weeks and his latest missteps, like removing the winter fuel allowance from pensioners and vat on independent schools, which ironically wouldn't be allowed in the eu and has failed every time it's been attempted . he'll time it's been attempted. he'll be lucky if he lasts even one term. let alone three. he's already got the civil service regulator breathing down his neck. they're about to launch a review on appointments by the party after accusations of cronyism. jess phillips, the for minister safeguarding, apparently telling people she got quicker treatment on the nhs because she voted for a ceasefire in gaza. and now jess archewell mp for ilford south, has been caught out renting ant infested mouldy flats. his flat's also didn't have the right licence under a scheme that he. mr archewell introduced last year . so i can see why keir

last year. so i can see why keir clearly finds a picture of the iron lady. in his words , iron lady. in his words, unsettling. in my view, he's intimidated more tin than iron, methinks. he skirted around the subject of immigration and imprisoned rioters, which i don't disagree with. but could he not apply that same gusto to hardened criminals as well? instead of emptying the jails from of them? whether you like it or not, keir, the public have a right to be heard and have their legitimate questions answered. hiding behind your parliamentary majority will only see you through if you're lucky. just one term. if you have the courage of your convictions . courage of your convictions. keir. and i don't mean the jailing kind. you keir, should be afraid of no one. removing a picture of an iconic woman tells me everything i need to know. but it's okay folks. the adults are back in charge. yes.

well stay tuned. loads more still to come on gb news. before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today. it's been confirmed this afternoon that two people have died at the notting hill carnival. i'll be asking is it time to remove the event from its current location? also earlier this week, sir keir starmer confirmed that the government is looking at tougher rules on outdoor smoking. and for the great british debate this year, i'm asking is the smoking ban a big distraction from winter fuel payments ? and from winter fuel payments? and don't don't forget in the past. stay tuned for this. i'll be speaking to healthcare expert about ozempic. as researchers have found that the obesity drug could also slow down the process of ageing. bring it to me now. that's coming up in the next houn that's coming up in the next hour. as ever, your thoughts, your comments, gbnews.com/yoursay . right. let's gbnews.com/yoursay. right. let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel , former labour to my panel, former labour leader. you weren't bill rammell were you? a leader, a minister, a leader there and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. right. bill rammell i'm

going to start with you. it's fair to say that, you know, come on. removing a picture of mrs. thatcher. >> seriously, i think there's a lesson out of that. >> which is this. >> which is this. >> it's don't inadvertently pick a fight that you don't need. now, keir had every right, as does every minister and prime minister, to choose which paintings from the government art collection they have in their place of work. that's what he was doing. i think he probably didn't want any prime minister looking down on him whilst he was working. why because, you know, it's about the new era. >> it's about moving forward . >> it's about moving forward. >> it's about moving forward. >> but what could he have not seen himself that he is in the same lineage in a sense, as mrs. thatcher should be honoured. >> well, hold on, let me let me finish, >> whilst i think he's got every right to do, whilst he's got every right to do what he did, i think it ends up as a distraction from the narrative of change that he and the government rightly want to

project. >> do you think maybe he was doing that on purpose for the distraction to get out for the winter fuel payments? no, you don't talk about that. >> he's not the person who released this story. it's tom baldwin, his biographer, and i think this is an, for want of a better phrase , an inadvertent better phrase, an inadvertent cock up. and i think we could do without it . without it. >> lizzie. >> lizzie. >> now margaret thatcher will be turning in her grave, not just because her portrait has been taken down, but what he's actually doing to this country in power 57 days. and what a mess i have to say, i think this removal of her portrait says a lot about him. i think it's disgraceful. i think it's disrespectful, i think it's petty, and i actually think it's sexist, a man who's that easily intimidated, is it just amazes me he's our prime minister. he must lack some confidence that he's worried. do you know what my worry is? he's in for another five years. the man that can't look at margaret thatcher's picture, he could take a lot of margaret thatcher with her strength. >> can i just ask you, do you think bill, that this. i mean,

remember, it took him a while to say whether a woman doesn't have a penis or not. he struggled to describe what a woman is. do you think that maybe there's some sort of other issues regarding women? i mean, that's just my thought. i'm asking because she's a woman. i think she's out there. >> i think he's an absolute champion of women's rights. >> however, he couldn't answer the question. >> let's not rewrite history. i've got respect for thatcher, but she was actually enormously divisive. and millions and millions of people in this country opposed her. yes respect. and compared to her tory successors that we've seen over the last 14 years, she's an absolute giant and a statesperson. but you know, not without her critics and i don't think we should set her up as the be all and end all. >> nobody's setting her up for the be all and end all. but you know, gordon brown was the person who commissioned the picture. he's a labour person, and he was able to with respect, look at her and say, this woman has completed three terms. you know, if there was a picture of tony blair as much as i voted for tony blair many, many years ago, anyway, for the first few terms anyway, not the last one.

no, but, you know, you should be able to agree. >> you don't have to agree with her policies, but have respect. i know the thatcher family, i know mark thatcher. they are absolutely appalled by this and i think it's a huge, huge error, bill. and it says a lot about this man. and we're seeing now the real keir starmer. >> well look he has got respect for her. you know last year he actually talked about his respect as someone who brought about meaningful and lasting change. >> he's trying to get votes no, no no about freeing the entrepreneurial spirit of british people. >> so i think he has got respect. i think this is a cock up . and i you know, i think with up. and i you know, i think with hindsight he wouldn't do it again. >> well, he he's supposed to be captain hindsight. so maybe he's looking back now . but it's not looking back now. but it's not a very good look keir. but downing street has refused to say what it's done with margaret thatcher's portrait after sir keir starmer had it removed from her former study, but let's see, we'll find out more about that. we'll bring you a statement for that too. but let's come back to our top story this hour. 32 year

old mother and a man who were attacked in two separate incidents over the notting hill carnival weekend have died now, the metropolitan police said that cher maximum, who had been at the carnival last sunday with her three year old daughter, died in hospital this morning and separately, mercy is meant to, who worked as a chef and was found unconscious on monday evening near notting hill. he's also died from his injuries. while speaking to my panel, former labour minister bill rammell and also broadcast and columnist lizzie cundy . lizzie, columnist lizzie cundy. lizzie, is it time to move notting hill car? oh most definitely, most definitely. >> and i just want to say i'm so sorry to all the families. i mean, i was working in dubai, so, you know, the show. i know of the chef. yeah, a great young talent came to visit, was working in dubai at the restaurant sexy fish, which is very well known and had a huge career. i was hoping to go into tv. i absolutely am heartbroken for them and their families. the loss of life to young, young people being snatched away. this

carnival has to stop. 334 arrests up by 275 from last yean arrests up by 275 from last year, 50 officers injured, three firearms recovered, 49 arrests with weapons, eight stabbings, two deaths. how much more it has to stop? i'm still waiting for something from makan, but bill rammell. >> yeah , like lizzie, i feel >> yeah, like lizzie, i feel this personally. you know, the mother who's got a three year old child. my youngest grandson is three. if something like this happened to his mum, he would be utterly devastated. of course it is awful. and my heart goes out to them, but we do need some context. there are over a million people who attend the notting hill carnival. if you look at the annual crime rate in notting hill, it's. and that includes the festival . it's in includes the festival. it's in the average of local authority areas within the country. however, the circumstances and conditions of the carnival, carnival are so compressed within a narrow area of london. i think there is a for case moving it to hyde park or

somewhere else where it can be more effectively policed. >> yeah, because i wrote a piece in the daily mail last year and i said, oh, somebody told you to write that because of what i said? no, nobody told me to write it and i wrote it. i'm very pleased with what i said in there. and it was basically saying that carnival should be moved and i cannot i can't bear to watch people running around with machetes. i mean, last year there was a video of people just running around with machetes . running around with machetes. >> i mean, they need to ban them, but you wouldn't get in, would you, if you if it was in a closed environment. my friends that actually do live in notting hill have to leave the area. they boarded up and on their cameras. everyone is going to the toilet on their property. it's absolutely disgusting and a disgrace. but what has gone on here? how many more lives have to be lost? what is our mayor of london doing? where is he? where is he? where is his voice now? >> have you heard it? sadiq khan say anything about this? i mean, i'm waiting to hear something. i don't know whether we have a statement. >> i think he has made a statement. but, you know, the reality is, if you have over a million people in a tightly confined area, you are going to

have a very small minority who commit crimes. now, one, we need to tackle those crimes. but two, i think there is a strong case to move it somewhere else. >> i think hyde park is a great idea. police hyde park is a great idea. but can i say with the mayor of london he was pushed into talking to this by gb news because he didn't actually mention the stabbings and the death. and i think that's a disgrace. >> do you know stabbings are a huge problem across the country, not just in london, actually in the midlands. the problem is even worse. and i tell you, the real tragedy virtually every crime, the numbers have gone down in the last 30 years under successive governments, with the exception of knife crime, which has gone up exponentially since 2015. and we've got we've got to tackle that. >> well, we do, bill, and i think it's a lot more important than doing a big thing about smoking outside in beer gardens. the government needs to concentrate on you need to do everything well. >> you need to do everything, but you need to do something, something now. and i'm not

heanng something now. and i'm not hearing enough action from those in power. and i'm hoping that keir starmer will do something about this as well. i hope he does punish those who. >> well, we've already many young lives are being lost. >> we've already made it clear the weapons that we are going to ban, we're bringing forward legislation . there needs to be a legislation. there needs to be a default position that any young person convicted of carrying a knife gets some form of sentence, whether it's tagging, whether it's curfews or whether it's actually imprisonment. >> but sadly, bill, the punishment he's letting people out early, they know they're not going to get prosecuted. >> come on, lizzie, we faced a crisis inherited from the last government . rishi sunak. government. rishi sunak. >> oh hold on. no no no no no no no no no no no. stop! no no no no, you hold on. i don't want to hear about the crisis from the last government. i want to hear what's happening now. i'm not interested. we know about the crisis of the last government. they are scraping around still arguing with each other. we're not interested in that. we, the labour party, are in government. that's what we want to hear about. >> and do you know what the labour party are not superhuman. and if you inherit a situation

where the previous prime minister had been repeatedly told you either build more prison places or you agree to early release, and he did nothing about it, you can't in eight weeks solve that. >> let me just quickly remind you, tony blair didn't rebuild any buildings. he knew they were crumbling the prisons and schools. >> okay, so what do you think gbnews.com/yoursay should notting hill carnival be moved to another location? next though, it's time for the great british debate. this time we were talking about smoking and asking, the ban a big from winter fuel payments

well. good afternoon. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio now. we were discussing carnival. lots of you have been getting in touch with your views. catherine says as a public health issue along notting hill, carnival should be reconsidered . should be reconsidered. urinating and whatever else. thatis urinating and whatever else. that is a good point. jeffrey says notting hill carnival should be moved to a bigger

area, brian says notting hill kensington gets all the income, and i see nobody considered that . and i see nobody considered that. move it to hyde park and it all goes to westminster. i think there will be an argument over that. interesting mark says to you, bill and bill, you shouldn't dismiss the fact that london has a serious knife crime problem by saying, but it's across the uk, how does that make it better? or make london seem good? i'll give you 10s. >> i'm not dismissing it, but this is a really serious problem thatis this is a really serious problem that is just not centred on london. and sometimes the debate suggests that it is. it's much more difficult, much more challenging, and we need to tackle it across the board. >> there's been two deaths needs to stop. >> okay. and then colin says , >> okay. and then colin says, how many more innocent people have to die before we reintroduce the death penalty ? reintroduce the death penalty? that's a bit of a curveball, but i don't disagree with you. actually, i'm with you on that one. i agree with that. you disagree? >> yeah i voted. >> yeah i voted. >> will somebody definitely did it. >> i do not believe in putting the power in the hands of the state to take someone's life. you make mistakes.

>> you might think differently if it was your child. >> of course, emotionally people have different view. but you know , what's interesting is know, what's interesting is whatever views they entered with, mps of all parties have consistently voted against the death penalty because it's on their conscience. >> well, because it's not happened to their children. that's why i think that's why. >> no, because it's on their. >> no, because it's on their. >> no, because it's on their. >> no, no, listen, i'll press any button. if somebody has done something really bad and they've been caught to definitely have done it, i'm happy to press the button and make sure the person is executed. it would be on my conscience that i've saved other lives. what about miscarriages of justice? no. when you've seen them actually do it, i mean, like if you have any, if there's any. the world's not like that. no, but there is. but the world is. we have phones. we have all these things going on now so we can see. and these particular people, the person i can't talk about this particular case, but my point is this on many of these instances where we actually know the person has doneit actually know the person has done it and there's no question, hang on, i'm talking there's no question of a doubt. i have no problem. i've answered your question. but listen, i did say that mayor khan, i hadn't heard from him. so this is a statement. the mayor of london, sadiq khan, released this

statement on the deaths at the notting hill carnival moments ago. he said it is heartbreaking that sir maxim and mercy nato have died after being attacked in separate incidents over the bank holiday weekend. my thoughts are with their families and friends at this truly terrible time. this violence is shocking , completely shocking, completely unacceptable and a betrayal of the values that carnival was founded to celebrate. thanks to the efforts of our hard working police, a 20 year old man and a 31 year old man have already been charged. i urge anyone with any information to contact the police on 101, or you can anonymously contact independent charity crime stoppers on 800. 555, 111. right. so that's his thoughts. he has come out with that statement. but right now it's that statement. but right now wsfime that statement. but right now it's time for the great british debate. this out. and i am asking is the smoking ban distraction a distraction from the winter fuel payments that have been denied to pensioners because earlier this week, sir keir starmer confirmed that the government is looking for tougher rules on outdoor smoking

tougher rules on outdoor smoking to reduce the number of preventable deaths linked to tobacco use. and the prime minister said that the government had to take action to reduce the burden on the nhs. sir keir starmer has also confirmed pensioners worst fears that there will be no u—turn on his decision to remove the winter fuel payment. so the great british debate this i'm asking is this smoking ban a big distraction from the winter? fuel payments, smoke and mirrors? well joining me now lizzie cundy and also bill rammell bill rammell. >> well no. if it was a deliberate distraction labour would have initiated this debate. and they didn't. this was an announcement for later on in the year. and it was leaked to the sun newspaper. and i actually think on the substance, when 80,000 people a year are dying from smoking, it's when 80,000 people a year are dying from smoking , it's the dying from smoking, it's the right way forward and public opinion is ahead of the politicians. a snap poll yesterday, 58% of people, as opposed to 31%, support the wider ban. and that was my experience when i actually voted for the first ban in two thousand and seven. >> let me tell you where i am

with it. i would ban smoking outright,, but 80,000 people, as opposed to millions of pensioners who are potentially freeze this, this is all a smokescreen and we know it is. >> look at what they're doing to our pensioners. 10 million of them taking that winter fuel allowance and no wonder they didn't give us any policies. the labour party before the election, because i don't think anyone would have actually voted for them. bill it. absolutely. what's going to be next? are you going to take away alcohol? is it going to be fishing ? anything it going to be fishing? anything we love, anything we enjoy . and we love, anything we enjoy. and yeah, i don't smoke. i don't agree with smoking . but to be agree with smoking. but to be told you can't smoke outside in a pub garden there are more pressing, worrying issues with the with this country at the minute. you know, this is a smokescreen, bill, and we're not stupid. and you know what? we're adults. we can decide. and you know what? i actually think this is going to really affect the hospitality business, the pubs and people that are going out to enjoy themselves. as glenys says from bristol, you're going to tax us next on the fresh air. >> i don't often quote tim

martin from wetherspoons in aid, but he said this is going to have virtually no impact and, you know, because they don't have gardens at wetherspoons, 1 in 10 people smoke. i think some of them are building your business model on 10% of the population. you're on dodgy ground and actually smokers adapt. they did after the last smoking ban and they'll do it again. >> you'll find that many who i know that smoke won't come out and that will affect the hospitality business. and he's trying to say grow, grow , grow, trying to say grow, grow, grow, let's grow this economy. well, you know, he's hurting the hospitality. >> the claim that was made in two thousand and seven and it didn't materialise. >> do you want to live in a nanny state? i don't i think we can make our own decisions. >> i think i think bill two thousand and seven, the economy was flourishing. it was just a little bit after that that we then had the subprime fiasco with the banks. but around about two thousand and seven, the economy hang on the economy was in a good state in two thousand and seven. and then obviously the fiasco with the banks. so i don't know whether they're comparative moments, but we have had covid, we have loads of other things. so for this particular scenario, it might not be the best thing to do. >> no. well, i think it's manageable. let me pick up

trying to detract from let me pick up lizzie's point about the nanny state because i was an mp and, you know, the two thousand and, you know, the two thousand and seven ban, it's not a party issue. it was a free vote. and i thought long and hard about whether to support it. and i was concerned that it maybe went too far. and, you know, the accusations of the nanny state before the vote, i did a poll of my local constituents . 70% of my local constituents. 70% of them supported the ban. so i think the public are in a different place to politicians and media commentators. >> i don't think you're giving the public enough because they're intelligent enough. if they're intelligent enough. if they want to have a cigarette outside, they should be allowed to. that's part of their freedoms. did you not hear glynis , what she said to keir glynis, what she said to keir starmer, which i thought was very profound and i actually agree with because you're taking away things, you might not be good for us, but what we actually enjoy and we don't, you know, drinking's not good for you. what's going to happen there? this is one step. this is a slippery slope, lizzie, but smoking is bad for you. >> and actually, at the end of the day, if, like i said, i would be quite happy to see it

banned, i don't really care. but i don't like people breathing their smoke. i don't like the vapes when they're. when i'm sitting there eating my meal, i don't want that. i don't want that. but the point of this discussion is, is this a distraction? 80,000 people. bill has pointed out who lives could be saved yet millions of pensioners will not will be a total distraction. >> and what they've done to the pensioners is an absolute disgrace . it is an absolute 10 disgrace. it is an absolute 10 million pensioners. do you know what? they wouldn't have voted and no wonder he didn't give any policies. no wonder. >> let's deal with the substance of the winter fuel allowance and remember how it came in in the late 1980s after the £0.75 increase. >> are we going backwards in time? >> no no no, we're not. because since then the triple lock on pensions, which means that pensioners are less likely to be in poverty than the general working population, less likely, but they're still free. >> listen, bill rammell, i hear you, but listen. i will not let this go with regard to the winter fuel allowance, we will continue to talk about it until there is some sort of actual acknowledgement that is totally

unfair on pensioners and any smokescreen that comes our way, we will move it out and we'll carry on talking about it until there is a proper conversation. rachel reeves apparently didn't even consult with the necessary bodies about it, and i don't think it's fair that they should just be pushing through policy because they have a parliamentary majority and we're in the sleepy season. we're coming back. parliament is coming back. parliament is coming back. parliament is coming back next week, so i'm looking forward to the mps challenging keir starmer on that one. but joining stay tuned. all of that is on the way. this is gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. the pulse is up next. a healthcare expert says that ozempic could potentially prolong use. my god bnng potentially prolong use. my god bring it here. first, let's get your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> nana. thank you. good afternoon. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines at 433, a woman stabbed at notting hill carnival while attending the event with her three year old child has now died . cher maximum

child has now died. cher maximum was attacked in broad daylight after she tried to intervene in after she tried to intervene in a fight on sunday. the 32 year old was taken to hospital in a critical condition, but despite the best efforts of medical staff, she died from her injuries. detectives say they are working with the 32 year old's family and providing support to make sure the child is safe and looked after. meanwhile, a top chef attacked in a separate incident during notting hill carnival has also died, police found museum nato unconscious on the street in queensway before paramedics arrived. a 31 year old man has been charged with gbh . however, been charged with gbh. however, police are still looking for witnesses who may have seen muzzy between 1:00 on monday afternoon and the time of the attack just before 11:30 pm. a pensioner is being questioned on suspicion of murder following the incident in cheltenham. gloucestershire. police were called to a property in the early hours of this morning

where they found a 66 year old woman with serious injuries. she died at the scene . t'challa's died at the scene. t'challa's classrooms with pupils being taught by ai, are being trialled at a london school this year. a class of 20 gcse students at david game college will spend the year learning from bots. the school says the tech will pinpoint the areas pupils need help with, but headteachers say education should not be taken out of the educators hands . and out of the educators hands. and some breaking news us rapper fatman scoop has died at the age of 53. that's according to his tour manager, the artist, whose real name was isaac freeman, had been taken to hospital after collapsing on stage during a performance in connecticut in the us on friday. in a statement, his management, m2 s, said we are heartbroken to announce the passing of our dear friend and client. scoop had success around the world and

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>> welcome back! if you've just tuned in. welcome. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel i'm nana akua 39 minutes after 4:00. and it's time now for the pulse where i get a chance to speak to health professionals and the latest medical breakthroughs. and this week, ozempic has hit the screens. researchers have found that ozempic, which is used to treat type 2 diabetes and obesity, could also slow down

the process of ageing. what what is it? it was also revealed that the drug could be used to treat the drug could be used to treat the wide range of illnesses unked the wide range of illnesses linked to heart failure , linked to heart failure, arthritis, alzheimer's and even cancen arthritis, alzheimer's and even cancer. so should they open up a ozempic to everyone for the great british debate this hour? that's what i'm asking. what do you think? joining me now is health and social affairs editor of the sunday express, lucy johnston, lucy , we get me some johnston, lucy, we get me some of that ozempic. i mean , that's of that ozempic. i mean, that's how i'm feeling about it. i don't i've seen ozempic face. it doesn't look good with people who suddenly lost lots of weight. i don't need any appetite suppressants, but autoimmune illnesses and things like that . surely people would like that. surely people would benefit from this . benefit from this. >> well, on the face of it , it >> well, on the face of it, it does look amazing, doesn't it? >> and this was released at a conference recently, and we do have in our population, two thirds of us are overweight or obese, and we have the it costs the nhs billions of pounds a year to treat conditions linked

to obesity, which are cancer and heart disease, and other problems. >> however, experts i've spoken to about this study today or these studies today are very cautious about their response. for a start, it was released as part of, a conference notes really. and no one's really none of the experts i spoke to were were able to get hold of the raw data. so how much are we really seeing that it's increasing longevity? how much can it reduce your risk of these illnesses and have to remember that ozempic has only been on the market since 2018, and not to treat weight being people overweight was initially used for just diabetes, so we're in forjust diabetes, so we're in the early stages of this , of the early stages of this, of this drug. and we do know already that it is linked to some serious side effects. so it's, includes kidney failure,

thyroid cancer , inflammation of thyroid cancer, inflammation of the pancreas, vision problems and real problems with, with the stomach with stomach paralysis and bowel obstruction . and in and bowel obstruction. and in fact, two out of three people that take it stop within a year, according to some studies. so it's not without risks. and one has to be questioning whether, you know, there is whether we should really be looking at a silver bullet to treat what is, you know, one of society's big, complicated problems. and how do we sort of look at our do we need to look at our toxic food environment, which is, you know, we have a lot of unhealthy nutrition, poor foods, junk foods everywhere you go. and the supermarket aisles are full of those. so we really need to look at that as well, rather than just think we can treat our way out of it, >> well, obviously i wouldn't advise people to take it without speaking to the relevant people and your doctor putting you on it. i don't think, you know, i

personally wouldn't trust anything on the black market. it would have to be something that was prescribed. but you said that it has only sort of come out this particular type of drug has been out for many years. it's just specifically for the purpose of weight loss is why, as i understand. so my thoughts are this. they are saying that they may sort of work out how to deal with a lot of the side effects that you have put forward, which i know are absolutely valid. and one of the reasons why, if i'm honest, i really wouldn't take them . but really wouldn't take them. but if there was some way of it reducing inflammation, assisting with cancer and all those things , with cancer and all those things, are they definitely looking into that? because i think they should. >> well, i agree with you. i wasn't saying that there's no place for this drug . it's the place for this drug. it's the fact that it's being sold as a wonder drug. and the way it's written up is something that is a longevity. you know, we can we can cure all things . and i'm can cure all things. and i'm just cautious about that. but of course, if you have been prescribed it and it is, you know , the benefits of the drug

know, the benefits of the drug are outweighing the potential harms, then that's the that's the clincher, really. that's what we need to be looking at. and that's the real it only would be a doctor to decide. but the thing is, is that people are you know, buying it online, buying it from online pharmacies, perhaps ticking boxes that they wouldn't, you know, shouldn't otherwise tick. you know, it needs to be proper doctors looking at people and looking at their profiles and including lifestyle changes as well , this drug, once you stop well, this drug, once you stop taking it and presumably the longer you take it, perhaps the more at risk you are of side effects. the weight just comes back on. so lifestyle is important too . important too. >> yeah. well, listen, lucy, thank you very much. really good to hear you. and thanks for giving us some clarity on some of those so—called life changing effects of ozempic for those of us normal people who haven't managed to become obese but want to live forever. thank you very much , lucy johnson, lovely to much, lucy johnson, lovely to speak to you. right. well,

you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv , online and on digital radio, tv, online and on digital radio, more on that debate. i'm asking, should be opened up to everyone?

good afternoon. if you just tuned in, where have you been? this is gb news. we're live on tv , online and on digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. welcome. i'm nana akua just coming up to 48 minutes after 4:00, and i'm asking you, should they open ozempic up to everybody? because researchers have found that ozempic, which is used to treat type 2 diabetes and obesity, could also slow down the process of ageing. it was also revealed that the drug could be used to treat a wide range of illnesses, linked to heart failure, arthritis, alzheimer's and even cancer. so obviously lots more testing needed to be done. but for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should they open this thing up to everyone? well, joining me now to discuss my

panel joining me now to discuss my panel, broadcaster lizzie cundy and also former labour minister bill rammell bill rammell. what do you think? you've told me you've lost about three stone or something recently over time, would you be tempted to take ozempic? well, yeah , i have lost ozempic? well, yeah, i have lost that weight. >> i'm challenged by my weight. i was tempted by ozempic, but i personally don't think there's enough research on it yet for possible side effects. i also think with these broader health benefits, i mean, there could be some real advantages. you know, it's about prevention. it could actually save the nhs money. but what worries me is, is the national institute for clinical excellence, which ultimately will make the judgement about whether this can be affordable on the nhs, is its cost benefit analysis rigorous enough to make those decisions? and i'm not convinced it is. >> interesting stuff. although, you know , ozempic, if it does you know, ozempic, if it does prove to be quite a useful thing, could be an interesting drug. >> lizzie, i think there isn't enough research on it. i know people that are on it that get addicted to it, they can't get off it, and then sadly, there

are a lot of people that are using it that i know that aren't actually overweight or have any medical problems. now, look, i've i've talked openly about having an eating disorder when i was younger and i think you've got to be very careful with this. it's a slippery slope and i know people are getting this willy nilly and i am worried and i've seen friends that look terrible on it. they said it can, you know, help anti—aging. well, believe me, the people i know that on it, they don't look like, you know, the weight hasn't actually gone from where they want it. parts of their body. it's definitely gone from their face and they look much older. i think this is very frightening. it should be used for the right reasons for diabetes , but not use willy diabetes, but not use willy nilly. and sadly, a lot of people are using it that aren't actually overweight. all right, well , you know, some of these well, you know, some of these people may have been people who said, oh, i'm not taking the vaccine. >> i wouldn't touch it. it's not been tested enough. then they're on to this. mind you, ozempic has been around for a while, though, to be fair. but look, this show is nothing without you and your views welcome great british voices, their opportunity to be on the show

and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. well, we've got mark sheridan. he's there from chester and julie shaw from burlington. mark sheridan , i'm burlington. mark sheridan, i'm going to start with you, ozempic. do they need to open it up to all of us now? >> no, i don't think they do . >> no, i don't think they do. and we all know that in this country we've got a massive problem with obesity. the queue for diet pills and this wonder drug will always be full, but the queue for making those lifestyle changes is empty. if i was a doctor now, i would look at this and say, okay, the bmi on people is phenomenal. you know, over 28% means people are obese. they need to use this if they're going to issue this out to obese people , then, put them to obese people, then, put them on a fitness program, put them on a fitness program, put them on a fitness program, put them on a diet program. >> they've tried all that. >> they've tried all that. >> this is only a short term fix. as as lucy said earlier, the massive side effects that this has is, is phenomenal. you know, kidney failure, heart failure . and also it mentions failure. and also it mentions that when you lose weight or naturally because many years ago i was a fitness instructor , one

i was a fitness instructor, one of my clients lost weight with tablets and not doing it. naturally, the skin hangs and this has got an effect where they have wrinkles on their face. >> yeah, that's the problem. is it? julie shore thank you for that, mark. julie shore i think we're focusing too much on the obesity side. >> and this is a multifunctional drug and serves a lot higher purpose than just helping people lose weight. but of course this government don't want it. they want to kill off an ailing and ageing population and not prolong lives. and just like the alzheimer's wonder drug that they won't make available for our elderly , i just think that our elderly, i just think that they're not going to do it because they don't want to do it. it's if they can't kill off our elderly this winter by freezing or stabbing them to death, they'll make damn sure they won't give them any drugs that's going to prolong their lives. >> well, you know, but the customer has talked about smoking and the outside smoking ban and things like that. and he is talking tough about saving lives on the nhs . but, you know, lives on the nhs. but, you know, obviously we would urge anyone

to take this drug without proper supervision or the right, you know, gp confirming that you need to take it and listen. it's really interesting to hear your thoughts. julie shaw and brendan, thank you. and also mark sheridan there in chester. what do you think? gbnews.com/yoursay lots of you have been in touch on all the different subjects that we've been talking about. mark jones says it's not a distraction to many pensioners in the public. they clearly see it for what it is and it's just wrong. this is about the winter fuel allowance and the smoking ban. christine calls it a house of cards and great look inside politics. these programmes are only pretend. but i don't know what that means. my dear , catherine that means. my dear, catherine says this. she says when i hear about the hit on pensioners, i think about labour giving 11 plus billion to foreign countries for climate aid. yeah, a lot of people were hearing that , too, sylvia says that that, too, sylvia says that lizzie, you're 100% right. alcohol is next. that's what she thinks. coral says the english pub is part of our culture. this government would to love close

them all. well, just to repeat to you again, obviously ozempic is if you do think you need to take that drug , go is if you do think you need to take that drug, go and see a gp first. get them to tell you don't try and get it on the black market. and also all these wonderful things. nothing comes without the downfalls. as you heard from lucy , but as if you heard from lucy, but as if you just tuned in 54 minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. on the way. stephen gillan will be joining me with his story. but first, let's get your . weather. first, let's get your. weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> hello! here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news, we're starting the weekend on a fine note across the bulk of the uk, but over the next couple of days, things turning more unsettled. increasingly humid for a while and we'll start to see some thundery downpours developing in places too. high pressure is pulling away towards the north—east of the uk now,

allowing a south easterly feed to develop. this warm front starting to introduce more in the way of cloud from the south, particularly across parts of england and wales. as we head through the evening into the overnight period, 1 or 2 showers also breaking out from that cloud as it starts to thicken from the south, particularly towards the south—east of england. later in the night. here there could be thundery in nature those showers, whereas towards the north—west it's clearest. we'll hold on to some good clear spells right through the night here, turning locally quite chilly with temperatures dipping into single figures, but towards the south of the uk increasingly warm and humid temperatures here in the mid to upper teens . so we start to upper teens. so we start to sunday. then on a pretty clear note towards the north and northwest of the uk, 1 or 2 mist or fog patches in places, though soon burning away to give some sunshine temperatures. responding into the low teens by the early morning, as the sun starts to get to work on those temperatures further south, though, into england and wales again, more in the way of cloud around. still 1 or 2 showers locally on the heavy side at this stage, mainly towards the south—east of england, and again 1 or 2 of those showers could be thundery in nature. on the whole sunday will be a cloudy day than on saturday. i think the best of

the sunshine lingering towards the sunshine lingering towards the north—west of the uk there. but elsewhere a fair bit of cloud and a few showers also breaking out in places, particularly across central and southern parts of england and later across the north of england, to some of those showers turning heavy and thundery could give 1 or 2 problems, i think in places with some flooding issues. so the best of the lingering brightness towards the north—west of the uk. notice though, towards the south—east it's very warm and humid temperatures here into the high 20s. 27 celsius. that's 81 in fahrenheit. a bit cooler towards the north—west in the high teens into sunday evening, the showers start to migrate their way northwards, a few starting to push into scotland as we head through sunday evening. elsewhere, though, holding on to a few clear spells. on the whole, though, the start of next week looks pretty unsettled. showers and longer spells of rain around perhaps turning a bit drier towards the middle parts of the coming week. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather

gb news. >> hello. good afternoon. it's 5:00. welcome to gb news. we're live on tv , online and on live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today, former labour mp bill rammell and also broadcaster and author lizzie cundy. well, coming up it's been confirmed that two people have died at the notting hill carnival. now i'll be asking is it time to move the event and this hour? my difficult conversation. ex—offender turned entrepreneur stephen gillan. he spent time in jail with charles bronson. he joins me to talk about his incredible story of rags to riches. then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, can priti patel save the

tory party? before we get started, let's get your latest news with sophia wenzler . news with sophia wenzler. >> nana. thank you. good afternoon from the gb newsroom . afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 5:00. your top story this hour. a woman stabbed at notting hill carnival while attending the event with her three year old child has now died. cher maximin was attacked in broad daylight after she tried to intervene in a fight on sunday. the 32 year old was taken to hospital in a critical condition. but despite the best efforts of medical staff, she died from her injuries. detectives say they are working with the 32 year old's family and providing support to make sure the child is safe and looked after . meanwhile, a sure the child is safe and looked after. meanwhile, a top chef attacked in a separate incident during notting hill carnival has also died. police found musi neto unconscious on the street in queensway before

paramedics arrived. a 31 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. however, police are still looking for witnesses who may have seen musi between 1:00 on monday afternoon and the time of the attack just before 11:30 pm. police in the west midlands p.m. police in the west midlands are actively investigating the fatal stabbing of a 13 year old boy. a murder inquiry has been launched following the tragic incident in oldbury on thursday, with no arrests yet made. west midlands police have assured the pubuc midlands police have assured the public that those responsible will be brought to justice. chief superintendent kim madill is urging residents to come forward with any information, and we are following active lines of enquiry to find the suspects. >> we know that the incident took place inside his home, and i would appeal to anyone who has information to come forward. we have local officers and youth workers in the area over the

coming days, so please speak to them directly if you have any concerns or information that you would like to pass to us. >> in other news, travellers at heathrow are facing disruption as border force staff go on strike today. around 650 members of the pcs union have walked out in a protest over rota disputes, with a strike lasting four days. further disruption is expected from wednesday as workers refuse to do overtime, leading to an overtime ban from the 4th of september. despite the escalating tensions, the home office says it's committed to continuing the conversation to resolve the dispute. a newly elected labour mp has issued a pubuc elected labour mp has issued a public apology over reports of serious faults in some of his london rental properties. jas athwal, who represents ilford south, owns 15 flats where tenants have complained about black mould and ant infestations. he says he's shocked at the reports and vowed

to take immediate to action address the issues. now new research reveals ozempic might do more than fight obesity. it could also slow down ageing . in could also slow down ageing. in a study of over 17,000 people aged 45 and older. the anti—obesity drug semaglutide not only reduces the risk of death for the heart disease, but also cuts mortality rates from all causes . experts say the all causes. experts say the breakthrough could have significant implications for treating obesity and extending healthy lifespan . fighting will healthy lifespan. fighting will pause in gaza tomorrow as part of a plan to roll out polio vaccines to hundreds and thousands of children. the scheme will be staggered during breaks in the conflict over three days. last week, health officials confirmed that a baby had been paralysed by the virus, the first such case in the territory. in 25 years. the oasis comeback tour shows have started to sell out for some dates, after fans have been

scrambling to secure tickets. error messages and glitches are hampering people's attempts to land a spot on the reunion tour. ticketmaster, one of the major sellers, insists their site hasn't crashed, but fans are still reporting outages and long queues. still reporting outages and long queues . parts of still reporting outages and long queues. parts of england could see flooding this weekend as heavy rain and thunderstorms sweep across the southwest. the met office have issued a yellow warning for flooding, power cuts and travel disruption . up to and travel disruption. up to 75mm of rain could fall in under an hour with lightning, hail and strong winds also posing threats. despite the uncertainty , threats. despite the uncertainty, residents across southern and central england are being urged to stay alert for sudden severe weather, and us rapper fatman scoop has died at the age of 53. that's according to his tour manager, the artist. bass drop. >> bass drop .

>> bass drop. >> bass drop. >> the artist, whose real name was isaac freeman, had been taken to hospital after collapsing on stage during a performance in connecticut in the us on friday. in a statement, his management said we are heartbroken to announce the passing of our dear friend and client. scoop had success around the world and topped the uk singles chart in 2003 with be faithful . those are the latest faithful. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> thank you sir. this is gb news. joining me now. i'm nana akua for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the

headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. headlines right now. this show is all about opinion . it's mine. is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating. discussing. at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is former labour mp bill rammell, also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. still to come, my difficult conversation today is with writer and former mobster stephen gilham. he'll be talking about him growing up in belfast through the troubles. as we mark the 30th anniversary of the ira ceasefire. then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking can priti patel save the tory party? this comes as she made promises that she would lead the tory party and called keir starmer dishonest. so for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, what do you think? can priti patel save the party? send me your thoughts, post your comments, visit gbnews.com/yoursay but first, let's get back to our top story this hour. 32 year old mother and a man who was attacked in two separate incidents over the notting hill carnival weekend have died. the metropolitan

police said that cher maximum, who had been at the carnival last sunday with her three year old daughter, died in hospital this morning separately. mercy nato, who worked as a chef and was found unconscious on monday evening near notting hill, has also died from his injuries. well, joining me now is london assembly member keith prince. keith, thank you very much for joining me, a lot of people are asking whether it's time now to move notting hill carnival. >> well, you know, my, my, i start by saying how awful these two deaths have been. and, you know, my thoughts and prayers are with the with the families. and they both leave very young children , which is tragic, for children, which is tragic, for a long time there's been this debate of probably the right event , definitely the wrong event, definitely the wrong location . location. >> and i worked with mopac before, mopac, the mayor's office for policing and crime, before i became an assembly member . member. >> and it's quite clear that the

constraints of the notting hill area make it very difficult to police. and i certainly would support the event moving possibly somewhere hyde park has been suggested. >> so it's a proper area that can be contained where it can be properly policed and people can be free to enjoy themselves because we want people to enjoy themselves. we want people to celebrate their culture. my children are half caribbean, so of course i'm very supportive of the carnival , but we want them the carnival, but we want them to be safe as well. we want to have them in a safe environment. so that's what i think we need to create. >> what is the objection, though, to it being moved? because i wrote a piece in the daily mail and people said, oh, you did it right, that can't be your view. you've been told to write those things. nobody told me to write those things. i know exactly what i meant by it. i said it should be moved. well, the objection the objection is that there's this link to tradition . tradition. >> you know, it's always been there. it's been there since the 60s. it didn't actually start

there, but it's been there since there, but it's been there since the 60s. and everybody thinks that that's where it should be because it's called the notting hill carnival. but to be fair, it's now an international carnival. >> it's one of the biggest carnivals in the world. it's massive benefit to the country in regards to bringing in money and bringing visitors to london, and bringing visitors to london, and i think we should celebrate that. but we should celebrate it by putting it in the right location. the place where it can really grow and thrive and be safe. >> what about the argument that, somebody did pose this on on gbnews.com/yoursay that actually this was more about the boroughs because kensington borough would benefit from carnival, but then if it goes to, say, hyde park, it's westminster. >> well, i don't think anyone or the boroughs are benefiting from the boroughs are benefiting from the cost of policing the carnival, which is which i think last year was about £12 million. we don't get full refund of that

from the government either. so thatis from the government either. so that is borne by the gla, which the greater london authority. thank you. yes. which is then of course, londoners one way or another, because the mayor puts another, because the mayor puts a precept, it's an extra tax on our bills for policing so that i think that really when you take into account the cost that it come, that comes with having to do the big clean up afterwards as well. i'm not sure how much the borough really benefits from it . and i just think that it. and i just think that westminster anyway, would be better placed to host it because last year there were people running around with machetes. >> there were deaths, there was the same, same thing every year. we know what's going to happen. the police don't want to do this. no, nobody is safe . i this. no, nobody is safe. i would the carnival. what would be the next move for mayor khan? he put out a statement about the

deaths . what should be his next deaths. what should be his next move in terms of actually looking at the location for this? because i don't recall seeing any of that in his statement or any. i haven't heard him talking about that. >> no. and he doesn't. i think he probably steer clear of it. he thinks it's too much of a political hot potato, though, isn't he? >> the mayor of london? >> the mayor of london? >> well, yes, he is, and i don't you know, this is a tragic thing and i don't really want to get into doing political spats in this particular interview, because i think we need to stick to the point of what can we do to improve it. >> well, that is the point, isn't he? it's not about political spats. forget the party. political element. he's the mayor of london. what's his responsibility in this? and is he the person that could make the change? >> well, he could he could. >> well, he could he could. >> most definitely facilitate moving the carnival to say, hyde park. >> i'm using hyde park as an example. could be any any of the big parks, any park in london, really, and of course, what he could do, he could engage with the organisers and persuade them

that this is the best thing for the carnival, because that's what needs to be done. someone needs to sit down with the organisers and say, look, you know , the carnival's outgrown know, the carnival's outgrown where it is now and it could be even more interesting, even more exciting than it is if it was given the right platform to do it. >> well, it could be even more safer is i think that's the key. we we're sick and tired of heanng we we're sick and tired of hearing of people needlessly dying, and also the level of policing. there's no way of actually working out how many people actually went to carnival. they'll say, oh, it's a couple million. but all the things on the outside that people can get in there was, did you see this this year? there was the police. there was like the crash. so the shot from above, obviously a drone or some sort of camera showing people trying to climb out, sort of camera showing people trying to climb out , that's trying to climb out, that's happened to me. i mean, at one year! happened to me. i mean, at one year i went and the last year the first and last year i went where i was almost pushed onto a vat of jerk chicken . it's not vat of jerk chicken. it's not funny. i mean, the way i say it is slightly amusing. i mean,

it's a big steel drum and they're pushing me towards. and i thought to myself, i'm going to be brandished on a on a, on a vat of jerk chicken, a big drum boiling drum. and i managed to climb out . boiling drum. and i managed to climb out. but what i saw on tv was almost like that similar location we climbed over a wall and it looked like that same place. >> well, this is the thing. there is no room for expansion. these are relatively narrow roads . thousands of people are roads. thousands of people are crammed into them. if anything goes wrong, if people panic, as we've seen in other events across the country, if people panic in these tight cauldron situations , it, you know, it is fatal. >> it is. >> it is. >> and i think it's time to move on. >> time to move on. listen, with that, on that bombshell case. thank you very much. really good to speak to you. that is keith prince. he's a member of the london assembly now mayor of london, sadiq khan released this statement on the death of the notting hill carnival moments ago. he said it is heartbreaking that maxim and muscle nato have died after being attacked in separate incidents over the bank

houday separate incidents over the bank holiday weekend. my thoughts are with their families and friends at this truly terrible time. this violence is shocking, completely unacceptable and a betrayal of the values that carnival was founded to celebrate. thanks to our efforts of the hard working police, a 20 year old man and a 31 year old man have already been charged, and i urge anyone with any information to contact the police on 101. or you can anonymously contact independent charity crime stoppers on 080. 555, 111. 15 minutes after 5:00. next up, it's my difficult conversation. the 30th anniversary of the provisional irish republican army announced a complete cessation of military operations. you'll hear the thoughts the writer and former

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you've just tuned in, where have you been? no. welcome. i know i shouldn't be so unkind. thank you very much for joining me. it's just coming up to 19 minutes after 5:00. i'm nana akua. minutes after 5:00. i'm nana akua . this is gb news. we are akua. this is gb news. we are britain's news channel. don't forget, you can download the gb news app . you can stream all the news app. you can stream all the shows live as well via youtube. so make sure you stay in touch with us that way. but now it's time for this week's difficult conversations . and today i'm conversations. and today i'm joined by a man whose life has been shaped by his turbulent history, the history of northern ireland. in fact, he was born in england but raised in belfast dunng england but raised in belfast during the height of the troubles. steven gillen experienced first hand the conflict that defined a generation and after returning to england and navigating a difficult childhood through the care system, he found himself in prison for the first time at just 14. as we marked the 30th anniversary of the provisional irish republican army's announcement of a complete cessation of military operations, steven joins me to reflect on his pivotal moment in all this time in history. steven

gillen, welcome. >> hi, nana always a pleasure to be here with you. >> look at us. our colours match that you've got blue and yellow there. so complimentary. what's your favourite colour? >> i like blue, i'm very, very safe. >> she said. green. >> she said. green. >> i should push it out a bit. >> i should push it out a bit. >> you should say green, blue and yellow. make green, man. what's wrong with you? welcome, steven. so talk to me. you grew up. you were born in the uk, but in england, actually. but you you kind of grew up during the troubles in northern ireland because you've written your book. extraordinary and that actually kind of starts the journey there. so talk to me about what it was like growing up in belfast. i was born here nanai up in belfast. i was born here nana i was taken over there when i was about six months old. >> you know, it's all i remember was that was that upbringing. ireland is a magical place. amazing people, you know, it was scarred. of course . then, you scarred. of course. then, you know, by the by the by the war years, this was the early 70s when it was really hitting it. but, you know, this goes back, you know, there's a lot of history that has positioned, this and the people of northern ireland, all parties now, you know, to, for , for, what they

know, to, for, for, what they had to endure and what they had to go through in them years. it was a, you know, it was a great place, but it was a, you know, you had to watch yourself in them years. it was a very dangerous place to live at that time. yeah. >> but that kind of started you off with your journey because when did you come back to england and what was your what were your sort of main memories? >> well, you know, i was a child there was a lot of, a lot of amazing stuff. my i was i was fortunate enough to be around wonderful people, you know, behind the door. it was very kind, very loving all the stuff a child would want. but outside the door, of course, was a different man, a real suspicion you had to watch where you went, what you said all this kind of stuff. so it was a paradox, really. >> talk to me about your family then and your actual upbringing then. so where were your parents? what what happened to you?! parents? what what happened to you? i mean, i understood somebody else sort of brought you up rather than your immediate family. >> yeah, yeah, my mother left to make a life for us in england. you know, them years was very

hard. so i was with a grandmother in the older lot of the family, you know. so they was the old school, right? you know, and they brought them values, you know. so i was very lucky. that was instilled in me, you know, and then formative years . but it you know, and then formative years. but it was a very, very hard place to navigate. i mean , hard place to navigate. i mean, i see terrible, terrible atrocities over there. and you were faced with that constantly there. you know, i remember there. you know, i remember there was always talk of the troubles in northern ireland until eventually all of that stopped. >> so when you when you came to this country, talk to me about, being getting in trouble at the age of 14, what? how did that come about ? come about? >> well, i was groomed nana in many respects . i'm not >> well, i was groomed nana in many respects. i'm not i'm not that excuses guy. but, you know, when i come, when i come back to england, i was a nine year old child on the boat, you know, going to like a foreign land . going to like a foreign land. and i was different, you know, i had to navigate that, you know, and then ended up in london and i was, you know, i was like the feral child. of course, you know, it was easy for me to, you know, it was easy for me to, you know, to look for a surrogate family, which was a lot of what

happened, you know , and some of happened, you know, and some of the people of the outer family or people i, you know, knew after coming through a very, very hard , time in care homes, very hard, time in care homes, you know, they was high profile, target, target criminals of the day. so this became the next surrogate. surrogate family. >> so you potentially were targeted because you were in a care home by these sort of people who would kind of groom you into a life of crime . you into a life of crime. >> i think it's easy. i mean, i was of course, i was susceptible to that, you know, and i brought a lot of , you know, trauma, a a lot of, you know, trauma, a lot of damage. so i was, i was, i was a crazy kid. and to them, that's not you attractive . once that's not you attractive. once upon a time, many moons. but really, i wasn't, you know, you know , i was screaming out for know, i was screaming out for other things and you know, i needed that ecosystem that we all do . and of course, i didn't all do. and of course, i didn't really have that. >> you were looking for love. you were looking for the nurturing feeling of a family. which is probably why you ended up in sort of in gangs. is that

right? so what? so at 14, what were your crimes then? what did you do? why were you in prison? well it started off. >> it was the stupid stuff. you know, we used to run away from the care homes, now, to be honest with you, you know, and it was just trying to survive. we'd do stupid stuff because they'd bring us back and we'd go back and forth, you know, from london and all the rest of it, you know, some of the care homes i was in, it was very brutal and, you know, and stuff like that. you know, some of the things that's in the book, of course, what they used to do. so it wasn't a good place, a healthy place to be. right. and, it just went on from there because it snowballed. >> okay. so your first crime, what was that and what age were you when you went to the care home, 1211. >> coming on to 12. you know, your first stuff was stupid stuff. you know, taking cars and taking things from shops. stupid, stupid stuff. of course, that escalated, you know , later that escalated, you know, later on to what? well you you know the story now. you know the story here. >> but the viewers, the listeners. no, no, no. >> you know, we got into

organised crime. serious crime, very, very quickly, >> when you say we. who was your accomplice? who were you with? >> well, it was the people around me, you know. and the thing about this, as a 16 year old, we even had firearms. all this stuff around us, unfortunately, it's a terrible thing. but i have to say, it to try and give solutions to this, to this way of life. but, you know, the thing you have to understand is the older ones and the older ones, they had gone through the same thing as well in a way. so they were positioned for that. not all of them, but a majority of them. and of course, you know, you're really conditioned . then, you really conditioned. then, you know, it's hard to get out of that life. it's very dark. it closes you in, you know, and of course, the mindset is very is very destructive . very destructive. >> and so you were you went to prison for using a firearm, as i understand. is that right? using a firearm you didn't you shot at an officer. you didn't you didn't shoot them, but you did kind of shoot at them. >> yeah. for the viewers, i mean, it was serious stuff. and very, very quickly i had three trials at the old bailey. it was armed robbery, robbery, organised crime stuff. i ended up in the end. i got 17 years,

so i'd done 12 of that as a category of prisoner. >> you know , and you were there >> you know, and you were there in prison alongside people like charles bronson? >> yes, charlie bronson. he's a very sad case, really. in many ways . you know, he's. should he ways. you know, he's. should he be released? i think he should . be released? i think he should. but he needs he needs to come down the system. nana because he's. they're not giving him them opportunities to rehabilitate. so that's charlie. >> what was he like, though, when you met him? >> well, he was some of the things, obviously, that people think. but there are other sides to people. when you're in a cage like that. how he was, it's very hard to translate into something better. >> well so you've written a book steven gillon extraordinary which you are. we've talked about this book before, but there's a lot of other stuff going on with you now because you've become an entrepreneur, you've become an entrepreneur, you've become an entrepreneur, you've become obviously a motivational speaker encouraging others to, to choose the right path, talk to me about what you're up to now. then because it's been an incredible journey. >> yeah. i mean, it's important

to say to the viewers over there, i don't condone this kind of violence or anything like that.in of violence or anything like that. in 2019, i was nominated for an international peace prize. this is the other side of it, you know? so there's a lot of work there in the middle. this is many years ago. of work there in the middle. this is many years ago . and this is many years ago. and yeah, you know, i've, i own businesses and stuff like that. there's a i've just finished a filming with ross kemp. there's a series coming out, what's that called? it's called ross kemp mafia in britain. it's on sky history . history. >> what do you do in it? >> what do you do in it? >> well, i kind of present with ross in the first. in the first, in the first episode, which is london, you know, i introduced them to a lot of people. i have a lot of access, but it's about the italian mafia's influence here in the uk. it's filmed in sicily, new york, colombia, spain. i actually say to ross, you know, if you want to understand la cosa nostra, you have to go to new york. so i send him to i send him to new york at the end of the series, you know . you know. >> and now your parents, are they half italian and or both? hauan? they half italian and or both? italian? well, my grandmother was italian, but i'm irish.

>> very irish. you're irish? >> very irish. you're irish? >> you sound like you're like. you sound mafioso from the italian side. that's how he sounds, it's great though. so you've done. but. so you came out of prison. what was the hardest thing that you had to face when you came out of there? because most people will never trust a prisoner. if somebody, especially at that time. now there are more schemes. you've got timpson helping out prisons and things, but that didn't exist then. >> rivers to sail nana. you know, the hardest part was finding my own humanity and my own self. i'd done a lot of voluntary work. i actually done a big piece in the times about this, you know, reform just, just, just the other week there you know, saying about this and how to how to help people to transition correctly through that. but you know, you're institutionalised, so you've got a couple of years there before you find yourself and, you know, integrate back into life. so what do you think of it just to get your view? >> keir starmer he's obviously shortened sentences. 40% of the sentence will be served. some people coming out earlier to

make space for others with whatever your judgement is on whether he's right to do that, what do you think, stephen? >> i think and i've said this nana time and time again, the categorisation of prisoners in the first instance is wrong, as many people shouldn't be in there. i mean , there's other there. i mean, there's other people who have mental health problems. they're just thrown in there. of course, there are some people that need to be in prison, that's for sure. they need to pay their debt to society and all this stuff. but it's very, you know, the red tape is very bureaucratic, you know, in there and, you know, it's like it's like fiefdoms in a way, you know, and this stops the communication process at real decision making to really get, rehabilitation for those for those open to that. and, yeah , that's a good point yeah, that's a good point because not everyone is open to rehabilitation. >> some people are hardened and they're never going to be rehabilitated, even if they give you the impression that they might be. was there a lot of that about i mean, i suppose when you when you were in prison at that time, there was their rehabilitation, was there anything did they offer you

anything did they offer you anything when you came to me? >> i have to say no, because category a is it was a different it was high security prisons within prisons. that's about containment and security. the general prison population there is but too all little, you know, and packaged in the wrong way. nana. >> so you've got a few things coming out that we should keep our eyes on the stuff with ross kemp as well. anything in the pipeline that you can tell us about. >> yeah. the book, the book is really good. i'm actually doing something with netflix now there, there were a fifth of the way into doing a documentary on my life. oh, wow. but because of some of the great work i've been privileged to do and that, we're really, really in the middle of some wonderful stuff in the states, i can't talk too much about it, but it's to do a couple of seasons, something over there which is really, really exciting. you know, it's very high level and, it's in the same genre, which is what i can all i could really say at the moment. so watch out for that one. i'm super, super excited and privileged about that one. >> yeah. well, we will

definitely keep our eyes peeled for all of that, stephen. and of course, your book, extraordinary . course, your book, extraordinary. it's out now. people can get hold of it in all the necessary places in the regular bookstores. how's the how is it going ? is it is it proving to be going? is it is it proving to be very popular with people? >> it's kind of really. well we've done we've done it. we've done a launch. waterstones, you know, and of course she was, you know, and of course she was, you know, we see some great people there , shall i say. you know, there, shall i say. you know, i'm really glad they come to support . and of course, you support. and of course, you know, before me you had people in there like the deputy prime minister kelly holmes and all that launched their books in there. so it was really successful. and, i'm just really privileged. it's not really the story. i'm just a conduit. i don't, you know, i'm feet on the ground, but it's the jewels. and the message is in there for to help other people. i think it's a valuable part. >> and what is your message? what would your message be to people? >> well, you know, to make the right choices in life, you know, and life is tough. it doesn't matter what that is. these things forge us, but it's always about being honest, finding the best of yourself, being open to learn and you know and give, you

know, rather than take. >> steven gillon, what a pleasure to talk to you. thank you very much for joining me. thatis you very much for joining me. that is steven gillon. he was a former mobster, but he's now an author. he's an entrepreneur. he has businesses and he's really turned his life around . turned his life around. definitely one to watch out for 32 minutes after 5:00. welcome. if you just tuned in, i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. still to come. we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking , debate this hour. and i'm asking, can priti patel save the tory party? can anything save the tory party? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel aslef and bill rammell. but first let's get an update with your latest news with sophia wenzler . news with sophia wenzler. >> nana. thank you. good afternoon. it's 532. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines. a woman stabbed at notting hill carnival while attending the event with her three year old child has now died . cher maximin child has now died. cher maximin was attacked in broad daylight

after she tried to intervene in after she tried to intervene in a fight on sunday. the 32 year old was taken to hospital in a critical condition, but despite the best efforts of medical staff, she died from her injuries . detectives say they injuries. detectives say they are working with the 32 year old's family and providing support to make sure the child is safe and looked after. meanwhile, a top chef attacked in a separate incident during notting hill carnival has also died, police found. museum nato unconscious on the street in queensway before paramedics arrived. a 31 year old man has been charged with gbh. however, police are still looking for witnesses who may have seen muzzy between 1:00 on monday afternoon and the time of the attack just before 11:30 pm. in other news, the oasis comeback tour shows have started to sell out for some dates after fans have been scrambling to secure tickets. error messages and glitches are hampering people's attempts to land a spot on the reunion tour. ticketmaster, one of the major sellers , insists

of the major sellers, insists their site hasn't crashed, but fans are still reporting outages and long queues , and us rapper and long queues, and us rapper fatman scoop has died at the age of 53. that's according to his tour manager. and bass drop, bass drop the artist, whose real name was isaac freeman, had been taken to hospital after collapsing on stage during a performance in connecticut in the us on friday. in a statement, his management said we are heartbroken to announce the passing of our dear friend and client. scoop had success around the world and topped the uk singles chart in 2003 with be faithful , and parts of uk singles chart in 2003 with be faithful, and parts of england could see flooding this weekend as heavy rain and thunderstorms sweep across the south—west. the met office have issued a yellow warning for flooding, power cuts and travel disruption. up to 75mm of rain could fall in under

an hour with lightning, hail and strong winds also posing threats. despite the uncertainty, residents across southern and central england are being urged to stay alert for sudden severe weather. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash

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wsfime online and on digital radio. and it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, can priti patel save the tory party? launching her run to become the new tory leader, priti patel accused sir keir starmer of being dishonest about britain's finances since labour took over. she used her campaign event to promise that she would return the party to power and would give back control to conservative members with various party reforms. so for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, can priti patel save the party? well, joining me now are commentator. she keeps changing what they broadcast and columnist lizzie cunning. so obviously three different people writing stuff. and also a former labour minister. bill rammell. right. i'm going to start with you, lizzie cundy. can priti patel save the tory party? no she can't. >> i call her princess dolittle patel. now she can't because she just talks about it and doesn't actually act. look, her speech was very slick , statesmanlike was very slick, statesmanlike and she does a good job of talking, but there is no action. and we haven't had an apology. it was down to her. we had huge records of our migration. there

was all sorts of things. she's had accusations of bullying. >> well, hold on, the accusations of bullying, it didn't end up being founded. and also, no hold on. and also also mass migration. this is a progression from many governments. this is something that she has obviously, you know, she has taken the chalice of and is carrying on with. but she had a very unhelpful civil service. remember she did. >> i will agree with you. there but i fear the tory party are doomed if they have her. they need to look at fresh new blood. and i'm afraid she is like her speech was written like by a rubbish collector, and it's like of this dying platitudes that they're all clipping back together and the whole thing stinks. it's over, i'm afraid. >> no, but we need a good opposition. and priti patel, she's a strong woman. she's a strong woman. she's shown her mettle. she did a good job in the home office initially or at some point, i think so. bill rammell . come on. what do you rammell. come on. what do you think it could. could she save the party? is she what the party needs? >> well, i think the more important question is, can

anyone save the tory party? no i didn't ask that. >> no, no, i'll come to that. hold on, i did. i did say it. that's the second question. >> then let me explain why i say that. you know the fundamental problem is the tory party membership. who are older, more reactionary, more extreme than the british electorate. and they choose the leader. and i think this is a problem for the tories. it's also a problem for the labour party. you know, any system of selection that gives you jeremy corbyn, boris johnson and liz truss has got to have something against. >> hold on. you say that the members are more extreme than the british public, but the reason why many would say the tory party failed to win the british public over , let's british public over, let's forget the infighting. but the fact that they weren't conservative, they did not have conservative, they did not have conservative policies. that is the reason why they didn't get the reason why they didn't get the vote. and many, many voters went to reform, that's why. so i don't think that the members are further to the right than the british public. there's a myriad of reasons why the tory. that's why i said i park those, but i'm going with you. >> come on to that. i profoundly believe, based on history, the only place you can win elections in britain is from the centre

ground . and you therefore need ground. and you therefore need a leader who's going to drag the tory party kicking and screaming back to the centre ground and i don't get a sense that any of the six of them are up for that fight. and you think the labour party hit the centre ground ? party hit the centre ground? >> i don't think they do. but i mean, look how they're acting. this way. >> many might say this is far left labour saying they're changed. >> they're they're so much the same, if not worse . but what the same, if not worse. but what the tories need to go back to proper tory values. but i think we need fresh faces . nana she was linked fresh faces. nana she was linked with, with the whole of, you know, leaving before liz truss. she was like some scorned woman. and though she's strong. yes. and though she's strong. yes. and she did a great speech. i thought she is not right to lead the tory party. >> well, look at the options they've got tom tugendhat, he's a liberal democrat in disguise. they've got robert jenrick who tom is actually a very noble guy who actually has fought for this country. >> but he's not, he's i agree with you to the right. he is too liberal a proper liberal democrat. yeah. he's jenrick,

you know, i don't know who can lead this party. all i do know is that we need a good opposition against labour. >> but do you know what? i was on this channel in the green room a week or so ago with a tory mp who had better remain nameless, and he said the next tory prime minister has probably not been elected yet. you go back to when, the tories lost in 97. david cameron wasn't an mp. >> what do you mean he wasn't? he's not an mp yet, you mean. >> and when labour lost in 2010 keir starmer wasn't an mp. you know, i think the tories need a fundamental reconstruction. >> but we need a leader though . >> but we need a leader though. that's all very well. but they need a leader and it has to be somebody who has been elected. you can't just pick anybody. okay, so, so hands up for me. >> the one that would be most challenging in my view, is tom tugendhat, because i think he's got a good track record, a good backstory, and he could be serious . i'm not sure the tory serious. i'm not sure the tory party members, but he's liberal. >> he's liberal, he's not. a target is to have a good government. you need a good, strong opposition and we need to

get the tory party to have a leader. now we need a strong leader. >> so who could it be? but out of the options that you have. so you've got kemi badenoch, you've got priti patel, you've got what's his name that suddenly appeared. i'd never even seen him before in my life. i can't remember that one. beginning with the w. >> come on, not the former home secretary . i can't remember his secretary. i can't remember his name exactly. >> i think that's the problem that we are. i think that's the problem, isn't it? that those going for leadership are not really that prominent? what about generic generic generic? >> well, he's had a makeover like your keir starmer. he has , like your keir starmer. he has, lost a lot of weight. he actually was very honest and said he was on the ozempic. but look, he's strong. he speaks from the heart and he has real, true tory values. and i think he is the best bet. >> i think he's got a very questionable track record that would easily be pulled apart where he elected leader of the tory party. >> in what? in what sense are you able to tell us, for example, sitting down at a dinner with a major tory donor

and then influencing a planning decision when he was the secretary of state responsible? >> oh, they've all listen. they've all been up to something. i mean, you've got to talk about revelations. shall we talk about revelations. shall we talk about revelations. shall we talk about jobs? let's talk about jazz. archewell and the others. i mean, let's not even go there because we can take the labour party apart as well. and their cronyism. let's talk. the person i was after was mel stride. yes. that's the guy, because i just never remember he's going to drop out. well, and also james cleverly. james cleverly, that's the former home secretary. yeah, that's who he thought he was a possibility james cleverly for me. >> no ijust james cleverly for me. >> no i just it didn't work. he backed rishi and i just not a fan . fan. >> well so all you've got then out of these ones is kemi badenoch, robert jenrick and potentially priti patel. if the others are not really generic , others are not really generic, who would you if you, if you had to choose one. >> well i'm not i'm not objective but i'm being honest . objective but i'm being honest. the one who i think would be most challenging for the labour party and this labour government would be tugendhat. >> you think so? wow wow. well, that's because he's a liberal

democrat. that's what i think. anyway. a lot of people will argue that he is in the conservative party. by the way, people. but then the conservative party would want to stay in the eu. yeah. well listen, i think priti patel i think priti patel is a good opfion think priti patel is a good option with what they have there . option with what they have there. and i don't know, i think she might make a good leader. but stay tuned. coming up, my quickfire quiz, i test the panel on some of the stories that caught my eye this week. stay tuned. do not go

good afternoon. welcome. this is gb news. i'm nana akua and it's time now for the quickfire quiz, part of the show where i test my panel on some of the other stories that are hitting the headunes stories that are hitting the headlines right now. so joining me broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy. lizzie, your buzzer please. and also former labour party adviser bill or minister bill rammell. labour party adviser bill or minister bill rammell . right. minister bill rammell. right. and please play along at home. we'd love for you to join in.

all right. question one. october's budget will be painful. when the government will have to make big asks of the public prime minister sir keir starmer warned. but which of these was among the taxes that he pledged would not be raised? is it a capital gains tax? b tax relief on pensions , tax? b tax relief on pensions, or c that i'll go for bill rammell you were first. lizzie cundy vat, vat let's see what the answer is . the answer is of the answer is. the answer is of course c it is vat. did you get that right bill? >> buzz, before you finish just say you did buzz before finished. >> he did. i let him off because it was literally just at the edge of my words. but don't do it again , bill. it again, bill. >> i'm duly smacked. >> i'm duly smacked. >> naughty bill. yes, but who knows. what will they raise? i mean, they are taxing pensions or removing the winter fuel allowance, which i think is horrific. but what do you think anyway? question two true or false? the uk has won seven gold medals at the paralympics. lizzie cundy true, true. you need to press your buzzer. i have to take your first answer only. and you didn't do it for the buzzer. so lizzie cundy,

let's see if you're right. the answer is true . yes it is true. answer is true. yes it is true. yes. they've won seven. although my advice to you, bill, if someone says true, just say false just in case. because she sometimes does that with real confidence and she's often wrong. >> take it to make it right. >> take it to make it right. >> in which country has twitter been suspended? is it a brazil b portugal or c south korea? lizzie cundy, a brazil bill rammell anneliese brazil it is brazil. the answer is bill. it isindeed brazil. the answer is bill. it is indeed brazil. yes, twitter has been banned or axed from brazil. the prime minister was not happy with elon musk apparently enabling misinformation on the platform right ? oh. she should be. that right? oh. she should be. that should be five questions. why are there only four? wow. what's going on? somebody final question. how much is the cheapest ticket to see oasis play cheapest ticket to see oasis play at wembley? closest answer wins lizzie cundy £500 300 300, i think the answer is £74.25. so bill rammell is correct. >> well done.

>> well done. >> he didn't buzz though. i can't give him. i didn't buzz, he didn't buzz. oh, i can't give him that bill. i'm sorry. oh it's rigged all right. so well done with lizzie cundy. she's the winner . let's just take one the winner. let's just take one more look at angela rayner raving rayner. here she is. let's have a look at her. she's doing a bit of a raving. come on angela, where's it gone ? i was angela, where's it gone? i was waiting for that, raving rayner. here she is. take a look. because that's what she's been doing. she's been on the isle of ibiza having a bit of fun, which there's nothing really wrong with having a bit of fun, but unfortunately or fortunately, whichever way you look at it, she happens to be the deputy prime minister, and it sort of doesn't. it'sjust prime minister, and it sort of doesn't. it's just not a great look. here she is . yeah, there look. here she is. yeah, there she is, raving rayner . yeah she is, raving rayner. yeah angela rayner with a she's got a bottle of water there or something lizzie cundy what do you think can help us. >> well i've just heard off the press that keir starmer is going to do saturday night fever. it is, he is. he's got his leather pants on. we're going to see him boogieing away . what is going boogieing away. what is going on, bill? this is absolutely

disgrace. >> he's not going to do saturday night fever. >> he is. he's doing it. yeah he is. >> no he is making that up. >> no he is making that up. >> starmer's fever saturday night. starmer honestly trying to get in and cool with the kids. it is such i think it is absolutely awful tosh after that gloom and doom speech . gloom and doom speech. >> she's on holiday. she's a youngish woman . she loves young youngish woman. she loves young ladies, youngish . ladies, youngish. >> she won't be having that. >> she won't be having that. >> most people will think she's relatable. >> okay. >> okay. >> her behaviour sums up the labour party. it's all gone to their heads. >> yeah, well, listen on today's show, you've been to a rave, lizzie. be quiet. excuse me. i'm not deaf. be quiet. be quiet. on today's show, i want the music. thank you very much. shut these two up. on today's show, i've been asking. should notting hill carnival be moved? according to our twitter poll on x, 92% of you say yes, 8% of you say no. wow wow. well, that's unanimous, isn't it? well, pretty much, i've got to say a huge thank you to my panel. former labour minister bill rammell bill

rammell. thank you very much. thank you. and also author and broadcaster lizzie cundy. lizzie cundy, thank you so much to you. thank you. and as ever a huge thank you to you at home for your company. stay tuned. loads more here on gb news. up next it is the fabulous saturday five. i'll be back tomorrow. same time, same place 3:00 be there or be square. well don't go anywhere. i'll leave you with a weather forecast of a fabulous evening. we'll see you tomorrow at three. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we're starting the weekend on a fine note across the bulk of the uk, but over the next couple of days, things turning more unsettled. increasingly humid for a while and we'll start to see some thundery downpours developing in places too. high

pressure is pulling away to the wall to the north—east of the uk, now allowing a south easterly feed to develop. this warm front starts to introduce more in the way of cloud from the south, particularly across parts of england and wales. as we head through the evening into the overnight period, 1 or 2 showers also breaking out from that cloud as it starts to thicken from the south, particularly towards the south—east of england later in the night. here there could be thundery in nature. those showers, whereas towards the north—west it's clearest. we'll hold on to some good clear spells right through the night here, turning locally quite chilly with temperatures dipping into single figures, but towards the south of the uk . the south of the uk. increasingly warm and humid temperatures here in the mid to upper teens. so we start to sunday, then on a pretty clear note towards the north and northwest of the uk, 1 or 2 mist or fog patches in places, though soon burning away to give some sunshine temperatures. responding into the low teens by the early morning, as the sun starts to get to work on those temperatures further south, though, into england and wales again, more in the way of cloud around. still 1 or 2 showers locally on the heavy side at this stage, mainly towards the south—east of england, and again 1 or 2 of those showers could be thundery in nature. on the whole sunday will be a cloudy day than

on saturday. i think the best of the sunshine lingering towards the sunshine lingering towards the north—west of the uk there. but elsewhere a fair bit of cloud and a few showers also breaking out in places, particularly across central and southern parts of england and later across the north of england, to some of those showers turning heavy and thundery could give 1 or 2 problems, i think in places with some flooding issues. so the best of the lingering brightness towards the north—west of the uk. notice though, towards the south—east it's very warm and humid temperatures here into the high 20s. 27 celsius. that's 81 in fahrenheit, a bit cooler towards the north—west in the high teens into sunday evening, the showers start to migrate their way northwards, a few starting to push into scotland as we head through sunday evening. elsewhere, though, holding onto a few clear spells on the whole, though, the start of next week looks pretty unsettled. showers or longer spells of rain around perhaps turning a bit drier towards the middle part of the coming week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news

is taking angela rayner's new four day working week rather literally. i'm joined by apprentice star mark ryan parsons , spin doctors peter parsons, spin doctors peter barnes, andy williams and the formidable dame andrea jenkyns. tonight on the show , over to you, andy. >> freebies for mps may not be popular, but they're inevitable. pete >> the labour party, just after being in office for weeks, are already under investigation for sleaze. >> should we cancel notting hill carnival? >> andrea, the labour government drops free speech laws after universities fear interest regarding china. >> and mark ryan, the labour party want to reduce the working week to four days. are they justifying laziness? >> this is 6 pm. and this is

the saturday five.