away. >> it's 9:00 pm. i'm ben leo. >> it's 9:00pm. i'm ben leo. >> tonight i'm not going to take lectures from rishi sunak about our borders. record numbers of people are coming here in small boats. he's lost control of our borders. >> 400 more illegal migrants arrived in britain yesterday . arrived in britain yesterday. that's 1200 alone since wednesday. when is sir keir starmer going to finally deliver results? >> we have 48 hours to save britain from the danger of a labour government . labour government. >> he warned us about labour. now he's done a runner. so where the hell are the tories? his majesty's official opposition and not really going to take lectures on this from the people who dragged our country so far down in the last few years . it's down in the last few years. it's not taking lectures. this man, is he? the pm's done what he spent years complaining about. now the civil service regulator is launching a probe into labour's very own cronyism scandal. also, eight stabbings, 230 arrests and now, tragically,

two people dead after being attacked at notting hill carnival. is it time to pull the plug carnival. is it time to pull the plug ? and an online troll is plug? and an online troll is hauled into court for sending lee anderson vile death threats. do we have a problem with the radical far left? >> meanwhile, you insisted that president biden is extraordinarily strong, given where we are now. do you have any regrets about what you told the american people? >> no, not at all. not at all. >> no, not at all. not at all. >> kamala harris finally gives an interview to us media. but it's tanks, just like her poll numbers. tonight's panel is ready to go. i'm joined by journalist and commentator benedict spence, radio and tv broadcaster alex dyke, and the anarchist and academic doctor lisa mckenzie. oh, and this classic is doing the rounds again. has jess got her maths right? >> we knock on lots of doors and i knocked on 25,000 doors in that six week period. and 12 times somebody mentioned brexit to me .

to me. >> the tories are as useless in opposition as they were in government. next . government. next. >> good evening from the gb newsroom. it'sjust >> good evening from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 9:00. your top story this hour. some breaking news to bring to you the bodies of three children and a man have been found at a property in staines. after officers were called to the address by the ambulance service. surrey police say an investigation is underway to establish the circumstances of their deaths. the forces believe it is an isolated incident with no third party involved. and some more breaking news. firefighters are responding to a fire in silvertown, close to the 02 arena in fire in silvertown, close to the o2 arena in the capital city tonight. the london fire brigade say that four engines and 25 firefighters are on the scene at dock road . half a car and dock road. half a car and a lorry are alight. that's

according to the services. a 32 year old mother and a man who were attacked in separate incidents during the notting hill carnival have now died. cher maximin was stabbed at the carnival while attending the event with her three year old child. the 32 year old was taken to hospital in a critical condition, but despite the best efforts of medical staff, she died from her injuries. meanwhile, musi nato, who worked as a top chef, was found unconscious on monday evening near notting hill and he also died from his injuries. metropolitan police said the deaths have been devastating for both families and they were both now being treated by the force as a murder investigation. right leaning politicians are on the cusp of winning the most votes in german state elections for the first time since the second world war. the decade old afd is likely to win in former communist states of thuringia, whilst they're also expected to tie . in saxony. the

tie. in saxony. the anti—immigration party has seen surging support following a knife attack in western germany, where three people are alleged to have been killed by a member of the islamic state. however, the anti—establishment party is unlikely to have the seats needed to form a local government . now, all shows for government. now, all shows for oasis reunion tour in the uk and ireland have now sold out. after a long day of queuing and website glitches, the britpop band announced on x that there are now no more tickets available for general sale. the band also warned fans to be wary of counterfeit tickets being sold at inflated prices. the warring gallagher brothers are setting differences aside after a 15 year absence from the stage . a 15 year absence from the stage. and us rapper fatman scoop has died at the age of 53. that's according to his tour manager. bass drop. bass drop . the bass drop. bass drop. the artist, whose real name was

isaac freeman, had been taken to hospital after collapsing . on hospital after collapsing. on stage during a performance in connecticut in the us on friday. scoop had success around the world and topped the uk singles chart in 2003 with be faithful . chart in 2003 with be faithful. those are the latest gb news headunes those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> good evening. hope you're well now. look, i'm sorry for the update, but this is the biggest national security threat we have faced in decades, and we seem to be the only broadcaster who wants to talk about it properly. a further 408 illegal migrants landed in britain yesterday in nine small boats. 211 arrived the day before , and 211 arrived the day before, and that was on top of the 614 the

day before that. that's more than 1200. in just three days. what happened to this fighting talk, then, from the prime minister? >> i'm not going to take lectures from rishi sunak about our borders . record numbers of our borders. record numbers of people are coming here in small boats . he's people are coming here in small boats. he's lost people are coming here in small boats . he's lost control of our boats. he's lost control of our borders, literally lost control not only of the numbers that are coming, but also who's coming. and so this is not just a border issue. it's a national security issue. >> i'm glad he agrees. it's a national security issue, but i'm still waiting to see what labour are going to do about it. smash the gang . smash the gangs. yes, the gang. smash the gangs. yes, yes, i've heard it all before. plenty of times . but when will plenty of times. but when will that start to manifest? prime minister? well, listen to the mail on sunday columnist dan hodges tomorrow, and he'll bizarrely try and convince you labouris bizarrely try and convince you labour is winning the small boats battle. it's headlined labour has drawn first blood in the small boats battle. dan hodges goes on to write in reality, the actual figures show starmer is performing slightly better than his predecessors. up until this point. our new prime minister hit the dubious milestone of 6000 new arrivals

on august the 27th, the 54th day of his premiership . liz truss of his premiership. liz truss reached it after just 29 days. rishi sunak after 38. is that something labour and their supporters are meant to be proud of, or that we should celebrate because that's still 6000 undocumented people, mainly young men, who have arrived in this country illegally. who cares if they came a week or two later under rishi sunak or liz truss? so while this charade continues , who's there to continues, who's there to actually hold? keir starmer and to labour account? his majesty's official opposition, of course, is the labour, the conservative party, rather. but they're proving as useless in opposition as they were in government. at this point, the tories are a totally pointless entity. where is . rishi totally pointless entity. where is. rishi sunak? the last i saw he was rubbing shoulders with keir starmer and angela rayner. as you can see here, the day

after the election, and having a right old laugh about it in parliament, then he trotted off to california for frozen yoghurt by the pacific. >> we have 48 hours to save britain from the danger of a labour government. we have got to make sure that britain does not sleepwalk into this. it is our job. not sleepwalk into this. it is ourjob. it is our duty to spend our job. it is our duty to spend the next 48 hours waking everyone up to the danger of a labour government . labour government. >> rishi warned us about the calamity labour had in store. then he disappeared when it mattered the most. so is it a surprise that people think politics is just one big game, one big club that you and i aren't a part of? as camilla tominey eloquently puts in tomorrow's newspaper, the sunday telegraph, the useless tories are betraying the british public once again. keir starmer is looking for more things to ban, while his chancellor looks for more things to tax. and the only thing worse than labour, she writes, is labour unopposed . but writes, is labour unopposed. but let's get the thoughts of my panel tonight. journalist and commentator benedict spence, radio and tv broadcaster alex

dyke, and the anarchist and academic doctor lisa mckenzie. good evening to you all. good evening. good evening benedict. let's start with you. where are the tories? they have gone missing in action. and do you agree? they are as useless in opposition as they were in government. i mean, i could i could sum that up really quickly by going. >> no idea. and yeah , and then >> no idea. and yeah, and then we can move on to something else. i mean, honestly, it's i don't think people should be surprised, though. i mean, given the performance of the tories in the performance of the tories in the last few years of government, why should anybody expect anything different from them in opposition? you know, you don't get anywhere near the amount of media attention anyway. and given that actually we've got six people running to be the leader and none of them are particularly exciting, i'm not surprised that none of them are really able to cut through with whatever they have to say in terms of criticism of the government. i mean, we wait to see, even if whoever they end up selecting as leader in a couple of months time will be able to have any sort of meaningful impact. but ultimately they've created this mess. most people recognise that they created this mess and they've just done a runner. yeah, and i think that

as much as you can criticise the labour party and people will criticise the labour party rightly for having promised sort of quite competent managerialism and then waltzed in and not seemingly had much of a plan. people ultimately are going to remember for a very long time who it was who left them with the mess. >> alex dyke, do you agree with camilla tominey tomorrow that the tories have once again, as she writes, betrayed britain? >> no, i don't, and sometimes i think it's best, ben, to do nothing when you've got keir starmer putting his foot in it every time he opens his mouth and digging himself a big hole, maybe it's best just to stand back and wait. it's a long ramp, you know, we've got we've got to get to november. it's a long time. by then there'll be no winter fuel allowance, taxes , we winter fuel allowance, taxes, we all know, are going to go up. if they haven't gone up by then and people will be champing at the bit to hear what the new tory leader has got to say. >> good point, lisa. when your enemy's doing something wrong, you know, and they're hanging themselves with their own rope, just leave them to it. >> no, i don't think so. i think

the damage that he he particularly is doing at the moment, we've got people sat in police cells for weeks and weeks on end in on bail. they've not even been charged with, you know, they've not been found guilty. and we've got the winter fuel payments that are going to go. how many pensioners aren't going to make this winter? i think when we've got a situation where we have now, you've got to have a proper opposition and i've got to say the only opposition i've seen in the last eight weeks has been elon musk, which has been quite incredible that the opposition and gb news and gb news and gb news. yes, i know, i'm, i'm actually i was speaking to one of my friends last night about this, and we were saying that gb news some of the other right wing newspapers, the other right wing newspapers, the telegraph in particular, and elon musk has been in place as the her majesty or his majesty's opposition. >> yeah . and what does that say? >> yeah. and what does that say? a south african migrant to america now championing brits. yes. from you know, his his texas, he doesn't live in a i

was going to say mansion. he doesn't live in a mansion infamously. but it's you know and i say gb news not to blow our own trumpet. no, it does seem like we are the only, at least broadcaster who seems to really care about this issue, particularly of the small boats. benedict properly, i think. >> i mean, there are other broadcasters. we should put that out there. in the interest of balance, there are some others, honestly, i mean, when it comes to the idea of, you know, there only being people on social media or media outlets being the official opposition, it is true up to a point, although i would question whether elon musk entirely is aware of what's going on, i think actually what he does is largely for engagement on his own social media platform, because actually that's a very good thing for elon musk's social media platform. you know, he's taken a particular interest in brazil this week for very obvious reasons. you know, he's sort of taken his eye off what's going on in the uk. but, you know, broadly speaking, i do understand the point about, you know, not wanting to interrupt the labour party, sort of let them have a bit of a car crash, have a bit of a ding dong and see what sort of emerges from the rubble. but the problem with

thatis the rubble. but the problem with that is then if you're the future tory leader and you say robert jenrick and you pop up and people go, oh yeah, i remember you, didn't you used to be a liberal. yeah, i don't really trust you. i've not really trust you. i've not really heard very much from you. and you can pretty much go through every single one. if it's kemi, it'll oh be, yes, i remember what you weren't you very lazy when you were in government or if it's pretty patel. yes, i remember you. aren't you the one that actually oversaw the large influx of migrants? but you could say that about anyone from any party. you can. but this is the time i think, really, to be getting much more on the front foot, be getting a lot more aggressive because you can't just sort of sit and hope that people forget what you got up to in office and just hope that the other side are worse. i mean, labour got lucky with that strategy when the tories did it, but you know, what are the odds of it actually happening again? people. >> other people, people out in the country are extremely angry. ihave the country are extremely angry. i have never known a politician to have such an incredible majority and a rise. and then within weeks, you know, most of the country absolutely despise him. oh, but they're just a bunch of far right bigots. >> lisa, you know who cares about. >> i absolutely agree with you. and i didn't think i would because i read your bio before we came on air tonight, but

absolutely agree with you. and i think the problem for labour, and particularly for keir starmer, is they don't realise what's happening on the streets , what's happening on the streets, they don't realise what public opinion is really like. >> well, i'm glad to see we're all getting on. let's get the biscuits out and some coffees and we'll continue as we mean to go on. and also, by the way, let's talk about reform. they're not, you know, they've got five mps. they're not the opposition, but they've been pretty quiet in the last couple of weeks as well. anyway, coming up next, former tory mp miriam cates goes head to head with former editor of labourlist, peter edwards on whether they're worsening cronyism. scandal makes labour the new party of sleaze.

tick. welcome back to ben leo tonight only on gb news now, as well as his popularity ratings plummeting, the headaches continue for keir starmer as a cronyism investigation has just landed on his doorstep. it follows labour party loyalists being handed unusual civil service appointments by the

government, using exceptions rules that have caused quite the row in whitehall and just remember that civil service appointments are meant to be politically neutral. all departments in whitehall have now been ordered to declare any exceptional hires since the election by the head of the civil service watchdog, which will then be reviewed by the regulator. interesting. so tonight i'm asking, as their cronyism row worsens, is it now labour that is the uk's party of sleaze? let me know your thoughts by heading to gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews. joining me now is the former conservative mp, miriam cates. miriam good evening. we did have a labour guest booked . did have a labour guest booked. maybe they'll join. i think they're having some connection problems to defend their record. or maybe he just can't defend their record. so that's why he's not coming. but what do you make of this cronyism scandal? because starmer and labour for years banged on about the tory sleaze and the corruption and the, you know, whatever else . the, you know, whatever else. and within 55 days they've done that on steroids. >> well, it certainly doesn't

look good. and i'm pleased that there is now an investigation because it does seem that there were one too many appointments to just be coincidence. and so let's see what that investigation throws up. but i think it does beg some very interesting and important questions about our political system. firstly, how political parties are funded. so as i'm sure your viewers know, political parties are funded almost entirely through donations. so ordinary people , donations. so ordinary people, businesses, trade unions giving political parties and also candidates money to help them fight elections. so for me, for example, i've stood in the recent election, people gave me money to pay for leaflets and to pay money to pay for leaflets and to pay for campaigning. now all thatis pay for campaigning. now all that is declared so you can look on the electoral commission website. who gave you money? that's fine. but if you didn't have that money, you couldn't campaign. so it's absolutely vital to political parties that they have money from people. the problem then arises if it looks like or perhaps actually is the case that politicians are appointing people to jobs because they gave them money.

now we don't know, of course, that that's true. in labour's case, it may just be that the people they wanted to appoint happened to give them money. let's let's wait and see. but it does throw up some very interesting questions about how we keep our civil service and our politics impartial when we so rely on those donations from people to make politics work so very interesting for labour. and i don't think it looks good. >> i mean, i think it was a charade anyway, to suggest the civil service has ever been politically neutral. we saw, you know, their obstruction during i mean, your government's days and before that. but it's not in labour's case now. it's not always to do with donations . always to do with donations. it's the fact that they've hired, for example, former labour aides, former staffers from labour think tanks into, as i say , politically neutral civil i say, politically neutral civil service roles . service roles. >> and the civil service has a duty to serve each government equally and clearly, if it's known that a particular official has strong links to one political party, of course they can't serve the next government neutrally. but you just said has there ever been an impartial civil service? now, of course, no individual is perfectly

impartial. we all have mixed motives. we all have our own points of view. but i actually do think there was a time when certainly there was a stronger sense of duty in the civil service to enact what ministers told them to do. elected ministers told them to do regardless of whether or not they agreed with it. and i think that has broken down, and i think that certainly conservative ministers had lost trust in the civil service to enact what they told them to do, regardless of their own personal beliefs. and i wouldn't be surprised if actually labour ministers are feeling the same. now, of course, we tend to think that civil service civil servants often lean left, and i think that's probably true. but even so, i could quite understand why ministers want to have people in place who support them. but of course, there is a there are allowed political appointments. they're called special advisers. but absolutely, civil service appointments are not allowed to be political. and that seems to be political. and that seems to be where labour might have broken the rules here. >> okay. he has arrived. peter edwards, the editor of labourlist. we have you now. good evening . peter, can you good evening. peter, can you hear me? is labour is your party

the new party of sleaze ? the new party of sleaze? >> good evening. and i should say, i'm not the editor of labourlist, but i'm a former editor and enjoyed it greatly. and i look back, under rishi sunak , 12 conservative mps were sunak, 12 conservative mps were suspended . now they all had suspended. now they all had a process, and not all of them were found guilty of the civil or criminal charges against them. but labour were quite clear about everything they wanted to do, and the public voted for them for a very large majority. and we've seen it before, certainly in my lifetime. conservative governments, tend to collapse. >> peter, forget the tories. forget them. they're finished. we're talking about labour. you're in power now. >> well, they are finished, but okay, so let's go to the labour appointments, particularly in the civil service so there have been a ton of accusations and you know they've got to take the scrutiny on the chin. that's fair enough, no official body has found any wrongdoing. well not yet. and the treasury is

working unpaid . and prime working unpaid. and prime minister is appointing people who are on the same page as him politically, which i think every prime minister has done for 400 years. >> peter, may i just interject there? so, ian corfield, who was hired at the treasury by rachel reeves, the chancellor, has now stepped down from 160 k a year role. she gave him . previously, role. she gave him. previously, he had donated £5,000 to her. he has now stepped down into that unpaid role. that wasn't his first role. he's gone into that role now because it's been exposed that she hired him in his own department. after he gave her a five grand donation. so let's be accurate with the facts. >> well, what i said was accurate because i said he's working unpaid and that is accurate. yeah, but but you excluded you excluded the fact she hired him on 160 k a year salary. well, i'm very happy to talk about it, but obviously i will need to finish the sentence. so, you know, i'm just i'm just making sure we get the facts right. >> sorry. go ahead. >> sorry. go ahead. >> the number of charges of wrongdoing proven against labour are zero. the number of

resignations over wrongdoing are zero. the fact is, 101 allegations in the newspapers. and i used to be a newspaper reporter. so i have no problem with accountability . but the with accountability. but the fact there are allegations in a newspaper and zero of them have been proven , to my mind, does been proven, to my mind, does not amount to a wrongdoing. and either you believe in having a fair process and a right of reply, or you say everyone on the front page of a sunday newspaper, must be guilty of everything. and i cast my mind back to sunday times last week. sunday times is a brilliant paper and they all specialise in exposes, which is quite right. but on the appointment of lord ali to a pass in downing street , ali to a pass in downing street, all they could muster was it raised eyebrows . not that it was raised eyebrows. not that it was wrong, not even that people said it was wrong, but it raised eyebrows. so so there's thin and then there's gossamer thin. you know, and then there's light to the point of airiness. >> peter, the fact that people like, i've just i've just double checked the name. it's jess

sergeant who previously worked at political campaign group labour together, has now taken up a role inside the propriety and constitution group, which is responsible for maintaining ethics across whitehall. do you think that's fit and proper? do you? >> so the title, which you quoted correctly of that unit covers propriety and also constitutional reform. so she's doing constitutional stuff. i to put it more bluntly, she's not ruling on right or wrong, as sue gray used to do as a civil servant. she's doing constitutional reform, which let me say, having been a candidate is not the most exciting subject. and she's been brought in as an expert again. are you for having an expert in government, or are you against having an expert ? having an expert? >> yeah. peter. okay, i take your point, but i just, you know , your point, but i just, you know, i can't believe you take the same stance. if this was the tories two years ago. miriam, would you like to respond to that? but there was wrongdoing proven. >> and i'm very i'm keen to hear miriam member rishi sunak find he's old johnson. >> they're old news. you've taken them out, peter. labour are in power now. you can't you

can't continue. your party cannot continue in government by saying , but look at the tories. saying, but look at the tories. you've been telling us they're sleaze bags for the past 14 years. you can't keep in this now, this present government keep going back to them and saying, look at the tories, look at the tories. you're meant to be better than them, miriam. >> i think labour, labour are reaping what they've sown. and peter is absolutely right. nothing has been proven. much of this may turn out to be innocent . this may turn out to be innocent. these appointments may be above above board . but unfortunately, above board. but unfortunately, as you said, labour did spend the last five years, going after the last five years, going after the tories trying to catch ministers out, for minor wrongdoings or mistakes or things that they thought would make good headlines. and i'm afraid the tide has now just turned back on them. and if we go back to the case of the cake in downing street, i mean, nothing more ridiculous has ever brought down a government. i mean, that was just absolutely absurd . the fact of boris absurd. the fact of boris johnson eating a piece of birthday cake was reported in the times. at the time, no eyebrows were raised, but labour decided to raise it later. later

to try and bring down successfully elected prime minister. so whether or not starmer and the labour government have done something wrong, i'm afraid they are going to be beset by these allegations throughout their five year term because they changed the culture to start going after individuals, whether or not they're guilty to attack the person and not debate policy, and they're going to reap what they've sown, sadly. and i think that's a bad thing for democracy. >> and by the way, who was behind the persecution of those crusty m&s sandwiches in downing street? sue gray, keir starmer is now chief of staff. peter, last word to you. oh yeah. >> thank you. the police were behind it because the police thankfully are politically independent. and you know , independent. and you know, joking aside, because it's a very serious matter. joking aside, because it's a very serious matter . there was a very serious matter. there was a conservative mp convicted of a sexual assault. so yeah, that is a terrible perspective. >> no doubt. >> no doubt. >> what wrongdoing looks like . >> what wrongdoing looks like. >> what wrongdoing looks like. >> it probably will be allegations made against labour mps because sadly, politicians are just like ordinary people. there will be criminals. there

will be people who've behaved badly in the house of commons, just as there are in the general public. but that is a different matter to going after elected politicians for minor misdemeanours , not even misdemeanours, not even misdemeanours. allegations of misdemeanours. allegations of misdemeanours and turning the focus of the of the media relentlessly on those things to detract from policy and democracy. and i'm afraid that has permanently damaged our democracy and i'll go back to what i said. it is absolutely absurd that a piece of cake brought down a democratically elected to bring down the government. >> it was chris pincher that allegedly pinching people's bottoms, which is not allowed one at a time. >> we can't hear both of you one at a time. peter so i'll let him finish his sentence. >> i apologise. >> i apologise. >> it might. of course, it was not the only thing, but it was certainly a very important piece in the puzzle that brought down the government. and of course, i'm not saying the government was perfect or boris johnson was perfect at all, but it's deeply disappointing that labour, over the last five years resorted to attacking character weaknesses in elected politicians rather

than focusing on policy. and now we find they've got into government. they don't have much policy, and i'm afraid they're going to get a taste of their own medicine. >> peter, you've got 10s because we've run over time. >> i promise your viewers, having worked in opposition, it is the job of the opposition to support, to point out character weaknesses in the government. that's the job of being an opposition. >> we'll see what the watchdog says. peter, thank you for joining us, miriam. thank you. see you soon. right. let's see what you say back home peter on x says yes. no wonder they want to shut us all up. and the question of course was is labour now the uk's party of sleaze? wayne on x says yes, but so were the tories. both parties need to be dismantled, yes. and otto on x says the tories will always have that title. and your verdict is now in, in the polls , verdict is now in, in the polls, 95% of you agree that labour is now the party of sleaze. well, 5% of you say they aren't very good. still to come as an lgbt migrant charity secures funding to produce for artwork trafalgar square's fourth plinth. yes, you heard that right. should the

late queen elizabeth have been offered the spot instead? tonight's will tear into in three short minutes. don't go

welcome back to ben leo. tonight only on gb news. now, you may remember controversy a few months ago after the fourth plinth in trafalgar square in london, of course, was not fitted with a statue of the late queen elizabeth. that was despite a public clamour for the monarch to be honoured at the time. well fast forward to today and that controversy is bubbling once again. i'll tell you why because instead of the late queen, the fourth plinth will instead go to an lgbt migrant campaign group for an installation made of casts of the faces of 850 transgender people . so the group micro people. so the group micro rainbow pushes for the release of detained migrants and seeks to place them in housing. fourth

plinth artists receive a £30,000 fee. that's according to sadiq khan's mayor's office and documents their and a further £140,000 to cover production costs for their installations. i'm joined now by my panel journalist and political commentator benedict spence, radio and tv broadcaster alex dyke, and anarchist and academic doctor lisa mckenzie. lisa an lgbt migrant charity taking pride of place on trafalgar square's fourth plinth. >> i don't i don't mind it. i'll be. i'll be honest, i thought the queen. well, i don't like the queen. well, i don't like the monarchs, so i mean, we've got enough of queens all over you know, we've got enough of the royal family everywhere. so i don't mind this, actually, i've had a look at it and i thought at first it's, you know, it's got a sort of a headline that would wind people up, but actually i'm not i'm not really against it because migrant lgbtq+ people , you know, let's lgbtq+ people, you know, let's think about the places that they're probably coming from. we should be defending that, you know, a few weeks ago when we were talking about the boxer,

why should we be defending that? >> because we got to do with us. >> because we got to do with us. >> well, we're a liberal law. we're a liberal. we are a liberal democracy. we are a country that is accepting of people. and we know that there are countries that are not accepting of people . so accepting of people. so therefore i'm not really i'm not as against this as the headline might might seem. you know , are might might seem. you know, are we going to you know, we think about afghanistan. one of the things that the left don't do is sort of speak out against where certain countries are, you know, they're not they're not supporting lgbtq people. >> massive hypocrites. look at the queers for palestine. yeah. >> so this is so this is why, you know, i'm not actually that. i'm not actually that it's not annoying me that much. >> but, benedict, can we not can we not have done something for our veterans or for the paralympians? i mean, it's quite nice time with the paralympics. anything i mean, to be fair, we have a lot of we have a lot of statues to our war dead as well. >> i don't think that's the first thing, but i mean, i wouldn't mind so much the argument about liberal democracy if people had voted for this, but they haven't. but also,

we're not a liberal democracy. we're a constitutional monarchy that hides behind liberal democracy. and it's not even a functioning constitutional monarchy. it's a bureaucracy. but that's beside the point. i don't really have a problem with putting up statues to anything, no matter how hideous they are, because it just allows me to fantasise about when the revolution comes and they get pulled off the plinth with a tank ala saddam hussein in iraq in 2003. so i enjoy that. but the thing that it slightly grates is a yes. i do think the whole point of the fourth plinth being left open in the first place was not for sadiq khan to just parade whatever his latest trend is, it was for the late queen to go there, and also the amount of money that we're talking about here, actually. what does this do for lgbtq? plus 73 different letters who have come from across the world and are being persecuted, £30,000 plus £140,000? could that money not be better used serving people like that, rather than putting up plaster casts of their face? i don't see how that really helps anybody. >> alex, who would your pick be? >> alex, who would your pick be? >> the queen out of respect. whether you're a royalist or not, that lady has respect from lisa's crunching her face up. but even if you're not a

royalist, she was a wonderful, hard working woman. and i just this whole lgbt thing. can i just quickly tell you something, last year, i it was pride week. i was on the isle of wight, where i spend most of my time. i was stuck in traffic. there was a local estate agency, and they had around the border the logo of their name. they had the rainbow pride flag. what's wrong with that? and i looked at it and i thought, what is that flag saying that flag is saying that i am okay with all of this. and as i drove off down the road, i thought my generation were always okay with all of this. we were always okay. we were never racist, and i just think this is a box ticking exercise and it's just wound me up. >> no, there was i mean , we >> no, there was i mean, we weren't always okay with all of this. i think. i think most of us were decent people were i mean, we, you know, throughout

throughout the last 40, 50 years, you know, as a country, we have become more liberal. we've become more accepting of different things. i don't think i don't see that as a bad thing. i don't see that as a bad thing. i don't see that as a bad thing. i don't think see sort of accepting different sexualities, different genders. i don't see this as a bad thing. what i do think is a problem is the sort of force feeding of it. and that. so it's not it's not actually the acts itself. it's not the people who it's supporting. you know, one of the things that i always try and do is break this down to you know, how does that person feel? and thatis how does that person feel? and that is a that's a human being . that is a that's a human being. >> but what happens when they pull down a statue of winston churchill and the police stand by and watch and don't do anything, but that's the police vandalised. >> but we have got the two tier policing system . policing system. >> you'll be banged up for five years. >> well, and that may be so, but that's where that's where we were talking earlier about a credible opposition rather than sort of this constant culture war of we're going to smash your statue up and now we're going to

smash yours up, you know, because that's where we are now. >> we should just scrap this whole lgbt thing, scrap the statues, come up with, come up with something that is be kind and love everyone. i do think that once upon a time, statues were for people who would achieve things, and increasingly they're about representing things. >> and i think that's where the disconnect and a lot of people weren't happy about the achievements because they did tend to be military or political in nature, which is always going to be very controversial. but we have shifted now from what did you actually do something? did you actually do something? did you change the course of history to this is a representative thing for somebody who symbolised something or a group of people that symbolise something not necessarily tangible achievements. and i think that that's slightly harder than to put your finger on as to what is the benefit, because, you know, at the very least, if it's some general or something, you can maybe get their family to pay for it. you know, very often was the case that the estate would go towards paying that the estate would go towards paying for this. but when it's taxpayers money and it's a very sort of abstract thing, and it's only going to be there for a couple of months, and there's plenty of gay people who don't want rainbows on police cars, who don't want to march. >> i've got friends who've told

me that, and, and also black friends who do not want to be have a box ticked for them. i think we should just love everyone and be kind to everyone and treat everybody equally. >> but we're not you. you really feel like that, alex? you need to fly a flag and tell the world about it. that's the well, i'm telling the world about it now. >> no, no. >> no, no. >> probably go around shouting fascist in people's faces. but pubuc fascist in people's faces. but public art? >> no, i think public art, like pubuc >> no, i think public art, like public broadcasting, public media should represent the public. and so that's where i think we've got a problem, because again, there is specific ideas and narratives that are being pushed and they're not inclusive of everybody. >> well, this this charity, they say the fourth. oh sorry. it says the intended sculpture would serve as, quote, a giant show of resilience and humanity from the trans and non—binary community. i mean , i'm not sure community. i mean, i'm not sure what that means, really. >> do you, lisa? well, i don't know what that means because, you know, i'm as baffled as everybody when it comes to this. so i don't know what that means, but i do. i kind of they're

trying to depoliticise something that's very political, actually, because there are countries where people are coming from that they, if they were gay or if they were trans or if they were non—binary, they would probably be put in prison or even put to death. so that is the political aspect i think we should defend. >> last word to you again. >> last word to you again. >> if we're sort of talking about the politicisation of any of this, the queen, whether or not you agreed with the institution of monarchy, i think while many people did respect her, even republicans respected the fact that there was a lot of service there. there was a lot of hard work. whether or not you agree with the nature of the work, that's beside the point. she symbolised something that was supposed to be about hard work and steadfastness and resilience, and i do think, therefore, that it is slightly on to the nose actually, you know, shun a statue of this person who embodied traits that everybody could get on board with for a rotating series of things that are just dependent on whatever it is the mayor thinks is trendy that week. >> yeah, okay. interesting debate. i probably would have picked, arsene wenger, maybe the old arsenal manager, maybe a

worthy a worthy shout. yeah. why not? he's pretty. he's pretty much a brit. he's pretty much a brit. okay. coming up as a second victim tragically dies after being attacked at last weekend's notting hill carnival. is it now time to move? or perhaps even ban the crime fidden perhaps even ban the crime ridden festival for good? retired, met detective and star of one of my favourite shows, hunted peter bleksley gives his no nonsense take after this and he's not mincing his words. plus a bombshell headline coming on the front page of the mail on sunday involving prince we'll bring that from 1030. this

gb news. welcome back to ben leo. tonight only on gb news and some bombshell breaking news. this last minute in the mail on sunday. tomorrow they are leading on this story. prince harry is coming home. nearly so. friend of the show , charlotte friend of the show, charlotte griffiths, who's the editor at large of the mail on sunday. she

has written this picture now the front page for tomorrow is headuned front page for tomorrow is headlined harry asks former aides to help plot his return from exile, charlotte writes prince harry has sought advice from trusted former aides in britain on how to mastermind a return from exile in the united states, sources said. the duke of sussex is consulting people from his old life as a working royal, after allegedly growing dissatisfied with advice from american based image experts. i mean, this is a real bombshell moment. people have been talking about it for a long while. will harry come home? he looks miserable. is he enjoying his life in the us, away from his friends, away from his royal ties, his military ties? and it seems now , according to the mail seems now, according to the mail on sunday, it could be happening. it says . sources happening. it says. sources stress that harry and meghan, who have spent the last four years living in self—imposed exile in california, are not yet fully going ahead with the plan. but discussions are indeed underway, we're going to get some more detail on that in the

next hour with my panel. we'll get more from perhaps even charlotte herself. we'll give her a quick message, half past ten. we'll have some more detail on that. but just to clarify , on that. but just to clarify, harry, according to the mail on sunday tomorrow, prince harry, the duke of sussex, asks former aides to help plot his return from exile. it seems like megxit in reverse, doesn't it ? right? in reverse, doesn't it? right? we move on to something a bit more tragic , actually, a real more tragic, actually, a real horror at the notting hill carnival last weekend, as we've now found out today that a 32 carnival last weekend, as we've now foun year _ear old now foun year old mother and a chef have both died after being stabbed at the event. cher maximum, who had been at the carnival last sunday with her three year old daughter. i can't believe that she was with her kid. she died in hospital this morning after being stabbed and separately, a chap called mussie in nato who works as a chef and was found unconscious on monday evening near notting hill, has also died from his injuries. and sadly, and again, this really breaks my heart. he leaves behind an eight year old son, so two kids now without their loving parents. i

now welcome retired detective and law and order expert peter bleksley to the show. good evening peter. sorry to be speaking under these circumstances. should notting hill carnival now be banned, i wouldn't want to see the event banned, but i would very much want to see it moved. >> and my suggestion would be hyde park , where it could be hyde park, where it could be contained properly policed, ticketed. you can make it a ticketed. you can make it a ticketed event so you'd also know the identity of people that were going to the event. you could retain the processional part of it because there are already roads , bridleways, and already roads, bridleways, and you can lay down false tracking to create that processional element that people love watching the floats and the sound systems. none of that would disappear. and it would be, i'm utterly convinced, a much safer event, because this absolutely unacceptable level of bloodshed and tragically, the

loss of two lives here simply cannot be allowed to carry on. >> peter, let me just read you some stats from the weekend. two deaths, eight stabbings, 230 arrests, 49 weapons seized, 35 police officers injured and 37 assaults on emergency workers. and, you know, according to the mainstream media, we saw it from other broadcasters. they were saying reporting from the event, saying, you know, we've had a few incidents, but it's largely peaceful . i don't understand in peaceful. i don't understand in which universe, on what planet you can describe that as peaceful ? peaceful? >> no, of course, a huge amount of people go to the event, but those stats clearly show that there was a lot, an awful lot of crime being committed at this event and it is fundamentally unacceptable . let me also unacceptable. let me also tragically point out that there was a murder at the carnival in 2002, which currently remains stubbornly unsolved despite a 20

zero zero £0 reward on offer for information leading to arrests. so this is these two murders here, tragically, are not the only ones in recent years. and you know , there's been you know, there's been a precedent set by the mayor of london, sadiq khan, in ticketing a very popular event, and that is the new year's eve fireworks display. so it's if the political will exists and if the policing will exists, and if there really is combined determination to stop most of this criminality and the associated bloodshed that goes with it , then i firmly believe with it, then i firmly believe it could be done . it could be done. >> peter. it just breaks my heart, really, about these two, these two people who have died. chen these two people who have died. cher. maximum she was there with her three year old daughter, and i've got a kid who's four. i just i put myself in her shoes and her friend's shoes who were there and thinking, you know, this child has seen her mother slain in broad daylight. what

kind of life is that kid now going to have that poor child, this other guy who's tragically died? i think he was based in dubaias died? i think he was based in dubai as a chef. museum nato. he has an eight year old son, an eight year old son who now is going to grow up without a father. and i know people die day in and day out. they die of natural causes. they die of accidents, you know, and unfortunately, they get, murdered as well. but it just, you know, when you see the human side of this kind of thing, it just makes me think. is it is it worth it? you know? so you reckon maybe move it to somewhere? i don't know, hyde park or something like that. yeah, yeah. >> hyde park would be my suggestion, also , another suggestion, also, another contender might be wormwood scrubs . that's a pretty large scrubs. that's a pretty large open space. although i suspect hyde park would be more preferable and perhaps also close off some of the streets that actually border hyde park. so you could, in essence, keep the event contained . that's what the event contained. that's what it needs to be. the, the, the entry of people and the exiting of people cannot be monitored at

carnival in any way, shape or form because it's a sprawling footprint across many roads where people just come and go as they wish. of course, as dusk falls on both evenings, invariably gangs come from other parts of north and west london to settle scores, and that's when so many of the stabbings occur. when so many of the stabbings occur . unfortunately, when so many of the stabbings occur. unfortunately, because the metropolitan police is so besmirched when it comes to matters of race, it was only some months ago described as being institutionally racist , being institutionally racist, and the met police commissioner refuses to accept that description. and we know that police officers of colour were recently making very fervent complaints about racism. within that organisation. if that organisation didn't have such a tarnished and tattered reputation with regards to race, i think it could quite firmly go to the organisers of the

carnival and say, look, this is the fact of the matter. we had 7000 police officers this year policing it. this is unsustainable and unless it gets moved , we're going to withdraw moved, we're going to withdraw our cooperation, which i wouldn't want them to do. but even so, the officer in charge of carnival this year, deputy assistant a&e sadiq khan, very senior metropolitan police officer, he said whilst the carnival was going on, words to the effect of we're sick and tired with this violence, we're sick and tired of telling victims families that they've been stabbed or worse, they were his words. so if that man in such a senior role wants to really drive forward the requirement and the need for change, then maybe it might just happen. >> okay, peter, thank you for joining us, you know, we see the stats, we see the headlines. but when you hear about the, the human stories behind it, that's what gets me, the kids, the children growing up without their mothers and their fathers, and also that poor three year

old seeing her mother murdered in broad daylight. i just you know, peter, thank you. appreciate you being with us. okay. coming up, more on that bombshell daily mail. well, the mail on sunday front page about prince harry returning to britain. can you believe it? we've been talking about it for a long while. it seems that it may be happening. we'll bring you that from half ten. lots more to come. in the meantime, this is ben leo tonight. only on gb news. now your weather with marco . marco. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello. here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. over the next few days weather will be turning increasingly unsettled. we'll start to see some outbreaks of rain developing , outbreaks of rain developing, even some thunderstorms in places. that's because high pressure starting to pull away to the north—east of the uk, allowing our south easterly flow to develop, and this warm front starting to introduce some cloud from the south. and that's certainly the case as we head through the evening into the

overnight period, more in the way of cloud pushing northwards across england and wales. some showers starting to break out, some locally heavy, particularly towards the far south and southeast. towards the end of the night where the odd thunderstorms possible. so the clear skies looking towards the northwest across parts of scotland and northern ireland, and here turning quite chilly in some rural spots into mid to upper single figures holding up though in the south. quite a humid night across some southern areas with lows in the high teens celsius. as for sunday, well, we'll start the day across the north and northwest of the uk on a fine note. any early mist and low cloud lifting to give some sunshine at times, but the sunniest weather towards the far north—west of scotland, heading further south into england and wales more in the way of cloud around. and at this stage in the morning we'll start to see a few showers breaking out, but particularly across the central and southern part of england. here again, 1 or 2 heavy, even thundery showers are possible. as we head through the day, those showers start to become more extensive across some central and southern parts of england, eventually working their way north into parts of northern england into the afternoon too. so it's a north—west of the uk and across some western spots, seeing the best of the lingering brightness

with 1 or 2 lighter showers here. but those showers across england and wales, there eastern parts of wales there locally on the heavy side and could give some flooding in places as well. temperatures peaking in the southeast at a very warm and quite humid 27 celsius. as for monday, more low pressure will be in charge, so it stays very unsettled, but we could see some further thundery showers across the east and northeast of the uk, with rain also working its way in from the west, eventually turning fresher out across parts of northern ireland. temperatures here no better than 18 celsius in the afternoon. an unsettled start into the coming working week, but things perhaps turning a bit drier towards the middle part of the week, with temperatures returning to the seasonal average. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather

gb news. >> it's 10:00 gb news. >> it's10:00 pm. i'm ben leo tonight. >> how come you're such a girly ?

>> how come you're such a girly? hey >> there abused on the streets and now abused online. a social media troll is hauled into court for sending lee anderson vile death threats. >> meanwhile, you insisted that president biden is extraordinarily strong, given where we are now. do you have any regrets about what you told the american people? >> no, not at all. not at all. >> no, not at all. not at all. >> of course she doesn't. kamala harris finally gives an interview to us media, but it's tanked just like her poll numbers. the first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages are minutes away, and my panel are riled and ready to go. i'm joined by journalist and commentator benedict spence. radio and tv broadcaster alex dyke and the anarchist and academic doctor lisa mackenzie . academic doctor lisa mackenzie. and rest in peace to the people's princess who died 27 years ago today. >> hiv does not make people dangerous to know, so you can shake their hands and give them a hug. heaven knows they need it .

a hug. heaven knows they need it. >> plus, of course, breaking in the last couple of minutes reaction to this bombshell headune reaction to this bombshell headline on the front page of the mail on sunday tomorrow, prince harry asks former aides to help plot his return from exile. the mail on sunday will report that tomorrow prince harry has sought advice from trusted former aides in britain on how to mastermind a return from exile in the united states, sources said. the duke of sussex is consulting people from his old life as a working royal, after allegedly growing dissatisfied with advice from american based image experts and the move, they say, marks the first stage in a strategy to rehabilitate harry that would involve him spending more time involve him spending more time in the uk to repair his relationship with his father, and potentially initiate a partial return to the royal fold. what do you think about

that? would you welcome back, harry the duke of sussex? gbnews.com/yoursay more on that at half ten in our paper review. first, your news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> ben. thank you. good evening from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 10:00. your top story this houn gone 10:00. your top story this hour. the bodies of three children and a man have been found at a property in staines after officers were called to the address by the ambulance service. surrey police say an investigation is underway to establish the circumstances of their deaths. the force believes it is an isolated incident with no third party involved . a 32 no third party involved. a 32 year old mother and a man who were attacked in separate incidents during the notting hill carnival have now died. cher maximin was stabbed at the carnival while attending the event with her three year old child. the 32 year old was taken to hospital in a critical condition , but despite the best

condition, but despite the best efforts of medical staff, she died from her injuries. meanwhile, museum nato, who worked as a top chef, was found unconscious on monday evening just near notting hill and he's also died from his injuries. metropolitan police said the deaths have been devastating for both families , and they were both families, and they were both families, and they were both now being treated by the force as murder investigations. firefighters responding to a blaze in silvertown, close to the o2 arena, say it is now under control . terrified under control. terrified residents posted on social media about the smoke billowing near the venue, but the police have now said the incident was part of a pre—planned filming. the met police also confirmed there is no risk to the public. the social media platform x has been bannedin social media platform x has been banned in brazil after a long standing disinformation row. the move follows a feud between elon musk and the brazilian supreme court over a failure to block accounts accused of spreading fake news and hate in response, elon musk posted on x, calling

the move an attack on the number one source of truth . all shows one source of truth. all shows for oasis reunion tour in the uk and ireland have now sold out. after a long day of queuing and website glitches, the britpop band announced on x that there are now no more tickets available for general sale . the available for general sale. the band also warned fans to be wary of counterfeit tickets being sold at inflated, inflated prices. the warring gallagher brothers are setting their differences aside after a 15 year absence from the stage , and year absence from the stage, and parts of england could see flooding this weekend as heavy rain and thunderstorms sweep across the southwest. the met office has issued a warning for flooding, power cuts and travel disruption. up to 75mm of rain could fall in just under an hour with lightning, hail and strong winds. also posing threats. despite the uncertainty, residents across southern and central england are being urged to stay alert for sudden severe weather. those are the latest gb news headlines for now, i'm

sophia wenzler more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news. >> .com. forward slash alerts . >> .com. forward slash alerts. >> .com. forward slash alerts. >> good evening. we've had two mps murdered in recent years and donald trump, of course, in america came within an inch of losing his life just a few weeks ago. but it seems our politicians are still fair game for death threats. reform uk's lee anderson revealed last night that one idiot appeared in court this week are charged with sending him particularly vile messages online, which i'll reveal now. one message written by his abuser read i'm calling you out. you fat, inbred c—word. meet me at leeds train station for a scrap. the rest of the message is, to be frank, too vile to even paraphrase, but it suggests doing wicked things to the mps daughter. another from

the mps daughter. another from the same person read i will burn your house down to the axles , your house down to the axles, your house down to the axles, you dirty knacker. lose some weight and i might find you. the man who sent those messages pled guilty at leeds district magistrates court on wednesday and was ordered to pay a paltry fine, court costs and given a two year restraining order. mr anderson said afterwards i suspect if he'd been far right, the sentence would have been much stiffer. archewell that's two guilty verdicts so far and two guilty verdicts so far and two more court cases pending . two more court cases pending. abuse of mps, of course, is nothing new. nigel farage has been dealing with it for decades now, and i'm just about old enough to remember the ukip days when he was hounded out of pubs by far left agitators when he was sitting, having lunch with his family and children. but lee anderson's former conservative colleague brendan clarke—smith went public with his own death threats in the wake of the reform man's revelations, one message sent to brandon read you're an effing racist tory scumbag. i hope your kids die, you effing of a nazi apologist.

maybe if someone knelt on their necks until they were dead , you necks until they were dead, you wouldn't be such a c—word. i hope you have to go through that pain. you deserve to suffer that kind of loss. i'll be honest. i have no words for such evil, and i considered even reading to you in full that latter message. but i think it's important to really get across the gravitas of what politicians are dealing with in this day and age. and i'm genuinely stunned that somebody has the capacity, really, to sit down and write such things and actually press send on their computer when they have a chance to reflect and stop themselves. well, brendan joins me now to talk about this. good evening, brendan, sorry to have you on under such pretty rotten circumstances, but you did reveal these threats in the wake of lee's revelations online. how doesit of lee's revelations online. how does it make you feel when you receive something like that ? receive something like that? >> yes, obviously very disappointing when you expect a fair amount of stick and i'm the first to admit i'm a bit of a wind up merchant, and i like to

give as good as i can get. and i'm certainly no snowflake, and i've called enough other people snowflakes over the years, but i think a line gets crossed, really, and people can criticise me as much as they like. you know, they can call names and so on. it doesn't really bother me, but i think when you get to actual threats of violence, sometimes manifests itself physically as well. i've had colleagues who are having to have alarms on their phone in their homes and things. and i think really, i mean, it's quite a worrying trend. as you said, we've had mps that are no longer with us. unfortunately, because of what's happened in some of the attacks they've got. but there's a lot that the public don't actually hear about that goes on, and that is across the political spectrum, i'm afraid. >> yeah. let's be clear. it's not a party political thing. it's not a right, you know, centre right thing of reform or the tories sadiq khan, of course, infamously has his own 24 hour security personnel paid for by the taxpayer because he is under constant death threats as well. can we ever sort this out? is it ever going to be tamed? i mean, whose responsibility is it to sort it out? >> yeah, i mean, it's i

remember, i think seeing earlier on in the week, i think one of everton's players, i think it was neil neal maupay, i think he's gone to marseille now. but he's gone to marseille now. but he said about the abuse that they got at the train station and he says does any other profession have to suffer this. and i saw that straight away. yeah. and please do. and i think there's a general thing about respect for mps. we have the expenses scandal and they're held in pretty low regard in this country, now, whether that's that's fair or not is another question, but i just think sort of the standards in pubuc think sort of the standards in public life, and generally how we behave to others, i think sometimes that line is, is crossed. and, you know, social media people do say things. they are keyboard warriors. and i have seen people in the street or at surgeries who've been very embarrassed when i've confronted them about some of the things that they've said. but, in terms of being civilised to each other, i mean, this does have real, real consequences. and you may remember a while back we had the vote on gaza that was very controversial in the commons. and the procedure change that that nearly meant that we ended

up changing the speaker of the house of commons at one point that was being spoke of. and you've had jess phillips in the last day or so saying that, you know, she felt she got preferential nhs treatment, and there are a lot of people genuinely afraid of that vote. labour mps , because they didn't labour mps, because they didn't know what had happened. so happens to everybody, really. but that shouldn't influence our democracy and lobby us by all means. but, you know, don't threaten people. and again, there is a line. and when people cross it, they should be prosecuted and they should be put away. yeah >> well, that guy in the case of lee anderson has and he revealed as well that there's two other cases pending. so it seems i mean, if you've got the will to try and fight, you know, find these people and report it to these people and report it to the police, there are indeed prosecutions down the line. brendan, sorry to hear about those messages. as you said, you're not a snowflake by your own admission. and as i said, nigel farage has been receiving this kind of abuse for decades now . i this kind of abuse for decades now. i recall times this kind of abuse for decades now . i recall times when he said now. i recall times when he said he was in pubs with his young kids at the time, and far left agitators would come in and

hound him out of the pub. not quite as serious as a death threat, but as you said, maybe we need a bit more decorum in the public sphere towards our politicians. >> had concrete thrown at him, didn't he? you know, i mean, that's that's pretty serious to me. if you want to go back further, you could you could look at john prescott, you know, and he ended up lashing out and you know, at what point, you know, mps, you know, they're just human at some point may do that. and no doubt you'll have people screaming for by elections if they did. but yeah, it's a it's a civility thing. you should be able to go about yourjob. and unfortunately it your job. and unfortunately it seems to be getting worse. ben. >> yeah. all right. brendan clarke—smith. thank you for joining us. let's get the thoughts now of my panel, journalist and political commentator benedict spence, radio and tv broadcaster alex dyke and the acca, the academic academic. there we go. and anarchist lisa mckenzie. that's anarchist lisa mckenzie. that's a mouthful, isn't it ? especially a mouthful, isn't it? especially at 10:10. lisa mckenzie benedict. my concern with this is, i know brendan. people like brendan are saying, look, i don't want to be a snowflake. this happens all the time. but my concern is that if you're considering becoming a politician or an mp or getting involved in public life, and you

look at the kind of abuse politicians get, you're potentially going to get high grade people, high operators from big companies who just think the money's not that great, the abuse isn't worth it. what's the point? i'm not going to bother. >> well, i think that that's another key thing, actually, is the money for the amount of work that you have to do. and a lot of people will look at an mp salary and they say that that's quite a lot of money, but actually it is really is a 24 hour a day job. it's very unrewarding. you have to be between two different places at any one time. you don't really get that much time off relatively. it's also increasingly very unrewarding, actually. i think life as a backbench mp, even, frankly, as a minister over the last couple of governments has not seen any real major change that you could sort of pinpoint and gone, yes, somebody's been able to do a magnificent thing for the country or even a government has been able to do magnificent things. so it's very unrewarding. and of course, people blame you for absolutely everything. it's very rare, actually. i think that people applaud their mps. even good constituency mps. but largely that's because a lot of their work goes under the surface. and nowadays a lot of mps are effectively just social workers.

they're, you know, they're to, you know, look after certain aspects around their constituencies , get things constituencies, get things working that aren't working, that should be that sort of thing. so i think it's a very unrewarding thing. and to then have the deluge of vitriol that you get and you know, a lot of people can be quite thick skinned. they can put up with a bit of, you know, good humour every now and then they can put up with even quite a bit of abuse, actually, as long as they can rebut it. but after a while it grinds you down and there's not a lot of personal protection ehhen not a lot of personal protection either. and of course, we have to remember it's not just them, it's their families, and it's also their staffers who are massively underpaid and often end up at local constituency surgeries bearing the brunt of the vitriol, as well. >> lisa, i think there's a line here. we shouldn't not hold politicians to account . so, you politicians to account. so, you know, the idea that they we shouldn't heckle them. i mean, heckling is a british political act that goes from sort of the 12th century, 13th century saying, you want to see their kids die. yeah. and that's and that's the difference. so what

we've got to do is we shouldn't shy away from holding politicians to account. and that also means perhaps shouting at them in the street, you know , them in the street, you know, heckling them or shouting or in hustings. you know, it's a long held tradition , i mean, on held tradition, i mean, on friday i think somebody went to prison for three years, for shouting abuse at ed miliband. yeah. so, you know , i think yeah. so, you know, i think there's a line. i mean, it was . there's a line. i mean, it was. >> but on the flip side, somebody didn't go to prison for throwing concrete. yes, yes. and you know, what is the line? >> sorry to cut you short, alex. not by intense, but you've got about 30s. i'm afraid. >> okay. this is nothing new. most of these people are sad losers who have about two followers on twitter . it's followers on twitter. it's serious. if you're sharon tate back in the 60s, who was murdered? john lennon in the early 80s. and we've seen politicians recently, tragically being murdered. but most of these people don't mean it. it's happened to me a few times and i've actually said, okay, i'm

waiting for you. come and here's what i'm going to be about. 1:00 and they don't turn up. >> yeah , okay. i just yeah, >> yeah, okay. i just yeah, i just, i really worry that not the fact that people will follow through with what they're saying, but how are you going to attract high grade people? very intelligent. you know, people who have achieved a lot of good things when the money's not great. i know lots of people say that it's a good wage, but really in london and for the work, it's not that great. and also, i mean, you're dealing with that kind of nonsense. i mean, i wouldn't be up for doing it anyway. coming up next, we go stateside with kinsey schofield, who gives us the inside track on kamala harris's painfully awkward cnn interview. and the latest, of course, from the sussexes. the bombshell reaction to the headline on the mail on sunday front page. i'll bring you it in full in a minute of prince harry apparently plotting his return back to the uk, would you welcome him? we'll you that full story from half

ben leo tonight only on gb news. still to come, i'll bnng gb news. still to come, i'll bring you all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages hot off the press, and tonight's panel will return to give their expert opinion too. but first, it's time for schofield's stateside. let's get reaction to the bombshell headline on the front page of the mail on sunday. tomorrow, prince harry asks former aides to help plot his return from exile. that's according to the mail on sunday. as i said, he sought advice from trusted former aides in britain on to how mastermind a return from exile in the us . and from exile in the us. and sources said the duke of sussex is consulting people from his old life as a working royal. that's after he allegedly has grown dissatisfied with advice from american based image experts. the move marks the first stage in a strategy to, quote, rehabilitate harry that would involve him spending more time in the uk to repair his relationship with his father and potentially initiate a partial return to the royal fold. i now welcome royal expert kinsey schofield live from the us, kinsey mega story. what's your initial reaction to this ?

initial reaction to this? >> yeah, what a great scoop. my initial reaction is pretty cynical because over the last few weeks, harry and meghan have been leaking like a faucet over here in the united states, talking to people magazine talking. they're allowing current archewell employees to shoot down rumours. there's a cover of us weekly this week. that's meghan markle only, and it's a friend of hers talking about how glowing her life is in california. and this is coming from two people that argued that the palace were leaking stories and that, and that's how the palace would manipulate and control the media. and now we're seeing seeing harry and meghan do it over here on a weekly basis. i think victimhood has been very lucrative for prince harry and reading that headline instinctually, you feel sympathy for him. and is he positioning the royal family as the bad guys again? is this another ploy when it comes to harry and meghan? i question it. is it a great story? absolutely. do i wonder if do i wonder if harry knew

this information would be leaked ? this information would be leaked? yes. exclamation point. >> it feels like in terms of, you know, being a journalist and the news cycle, it does feel on a par, maybe not quite on a par, but definitely up there with the megxit megxit all about, say , megxit megxit all about, say, brexit. then the megxit revelations a couple of years ago . so if they are indeed ago. so if they are indeed plotting a return and harry does have some sort of return to the royal fold, why do you think he's doing that? is he skint? >> he's doing it because americans didn't did not welcome them in the way that they initially thought they would. i think that they've made a lot of missteps over the last few years , missteps over the last few years, and they're not having the life that they thought they were going to. they were fired by spotify , look at american spotify, look at american riviera, orchard . it's at a riviera, orchard. it's at a standstill. rumours that netflix is not going to renew their contract in 2025. i don't think that the american dream has come to fruition for them. the way that they thought it would, and

prince harry realises that he was a valuable asset as a member of the royal family and that really gave him purpose, i guess when you've rinsed your dirty laundry in public and you know , laundry in public and you know, blown apart the family secrets, there's nothing else to kind of say, is there? >> i mean, what else are you going to talk about? no one cares about their humanitarian work or whatever they're meant to be doing. so you reckon perhaps it's just a financial ploy. they need more money to be quite frank. >> i mean, i think they they did everything backwards. had they shown all of us that they were these charitable people that were just here to make the world a better place before they went after the british royal family? there might be some hesitation when it comes to judging them or criticising them, but it's hard to swallow that they're now these martyrs. when they spent three years terrorising the royal family with really cruel commentary, talking about prince william's hair loss, and spare the fact that he no longer resembles their mother. that's

just unnecessary and cruel. >> yeah, and of course , today is >> yeah, and of course, today is the 27th anniversary of princess diana's death. we'll touch on that later in the show, but should we move on from the royals? let's go to politics, where the democrats presidential candidate, kamala harris. well, she was treated to a fairly friendly interview by cnn yesterday, but perhaps unsurprisingly, when we consider the broadcaster's left leaning tendencies, however, she kind of , tendencies, however, she kind of, let's say, blew it apart. look at this. >> when you were in congress, you supported the green new deal you supported the green new deal, and in 2019 you said, quote, there is no question i'm in favour of banning fracking . in favour of banning fracking. fracking, as you know, is a pretty big issue , particularly pretty big issue, particularly in your must win state of pennsylvania . do you still want pennsylvania. do you still want to ban fracking ? to ban fracking? >> no. as president, i will not ban fracking. new way forward and turn the page on the last decade of what i believe has been, contrary to where the spirit of our country really lies, the last decade, of

course, the last three and a half years has been part of your administration. i'm talking about an era that started about about an era that started about a decade ago. >> you have been vice president for three and a half years. the steps that you're talking about now, why haven't you done them already? >> well, first of all, we had to recover as an economy, and we have done that. and i'm very proud of the work that we have done that has brought inflation to down less than 3%. >> you were a very staunch defender of president biden's capacity to serve another four years. right after the debate. you insisted that president biden is extraordinarily strong , biden is extraordinarily strong, given where we are now, do you have any regrets about what you told the american people? >> no, not at all. not at all. >> no, not at all. not at all. >> kinsey. wow. that's been described as a train wreck. what do you reckon ? do you reckon? >> yeah, i completely agree. we have a comedian here named bill maher, and he ripped this interview apart. he's very liberal, but he ripped this interview apart and called tim waltz. kamala harris's emotional

support vp. i mean , the fact support vp. i mean, the fact that he was sitting there, i think it shows her lack of confidence and additionally, you know, the fact that we were all just sitting around waiting to see if she was capable of executing an interview, if that is how low our expectations are when it comes to a presidential candidate. how terrifying. but you know what? they didn't address ukraine. they didn't talk about the homeless crisis, the opioid crisis, or that you know, they really didn't address the national debt . so there are the national debt. so there are a lot of questions that she still needs to answer. she's promised she'll do a solo sit down. and i'm very curious to see that. but she did not turn anyone's hearts or minds that hadnt anyone's hearts or minds that hadn't made a decision about her yet. it was an okay interview, >> the big debate, of course, on september the 10th between kamala and trump, that will really expose her if she does

need to be exposed. but i just thought that last question from the interviewer there saying, you know, have you got any regrets at all about covering for joe biden's cognitive ability over the past, you for joe biden's cognitive ability over the past , you know, ability over the past, you know, year or two years? and she said , year or two years? and she said, no, no regrets. and i'm just thinking, kamala , vice thinking, kamala, vice president, you have literally lied to the american people for two years and you've got nothing to say about it . to say about it. >> i mean, what could she say ? >> i mean, what could she say? truly, she could not admit that this has all been a sham because she knows that this is one of her biggest weaknesses that trump will throw at her on september 10th. he is going to bnng september 10th. he is going to bring this up, and he's going to try to hold her accountable so she can't show any weakness when it comes to this argument. >> i guess she feels in her defence, if there is one that she feels she hasn't lied and she feels she hasn't lied and she was just toeing the party line and doing what she thought was best for the country. but yeah. anyway, september the 10th, fireworks for she she got the good deal out of it. >> she kept her mouth shut. and look at the position she's in now. so there was something in it for her to be quiet. yeah.

>> you reckon she was calculating? do you plotting? >> i do, yeah. >> i do, yeah. >> never. never. kinsey schofield. thank you . we'll schofield. thank you. we'll speak to you next week. thanks. and. yeah september the 10th. can't wait for that. trump versus kamala harris. they're now fighting out at the moment that the small details on the debate i think the last i read was that kamala wants open mics where the microphones are on all the time between trump and kamala in the debate with joe biden, trump had closed mics where the moderator would turn on and off the mics of each person speaking . but yeah, person speaking. but yeah, interestingly, kamala wants open mics, so we'll see. anyway, up next, i'll bring you the very first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages, hot off the press with tonight's fiery panel of pundits, full panel reaction to the bombshell story that prince harry is plotting a return from back to the uk. this

ben leo tonight only on gb news. the first newspapers have just

dropped hot off the press . let's dropped hot off the press. let's start with the sunday telegraph. this is amazing. and we're going to talk about this. stop testing children on times tables. unions tell ministers teaching unions are lobbying the government to drop times tables, tests and also grammar tests because it causes them high levels of anxiety. you couldn't make it up.the anxiety. you couldn't make it up. the observer nhs queues mean most people expect to go private, yeah, i figured that. anyway, the sunday express pubs warn of smoking ban violence. apparently beer gardens will be turned into bitter flashpoints say landlords bar staff will be thrust into the firing line as customers clash over new laws. oh really? i'm not sure if i believe that . the sunday mirror believe that. the sunday mirror another great story. so many good stories in the papers today. what's that? the observer on the screen anyway? on the sunday mirror. the front page says agony for letby victims as netflix plans new tv show. we haven't got the graphic, but there's the front page in black and white agony for letby victims as netflix plans a new tv show that is, of course, the

neonatal nurse lucy letby, who's been convicted of killing 14 babies. lots of conspiracy. and, what's the word ? conjecture? what's the word? conjecture? that she is totally innocent , that she is totally innocent, and yeah, now netflix are planning to do some sort of show. we'll be interesting to say the least. let's start of course, with the big story of the night in the mail on sunday. tomorrow, prince harry asks aides to help plot his return from exile. he's speaking to former aides who helped him when he was part of the royal fold, and he is now planning to come back to the uk. apparently benedict spent us smith , then benedict spent us smith, then benedict spent us smith, then benedict spent us smith, then benedict spent somebody else. >> yeah. well, i mean, bonchamps is the first thing we have to say. you know, god loves a trier and he's really given himself a disadvantage, i suppose, to make the comeback story even seem even more epic when he pulls it off, then he can sell the rights to the hollywood movie, and it'll be barely believable. i mean, the sad thing about prince harry is he had it all. actually. he had the public approval. he was the more popular of the two brothers.

he'd sort of set himself up with his hollywood wife, and they were going to go to canada and they were going to, you know, live out quite quiet lives, and their focuses were going to be on the, conservation in africa. and veterans. quite how he managed to fumble that bag. i will never know. but he did. so if he is going to pull it all back, it will be very impressive. i don't know who these incredible aides are, but if he thinks just, you know, sort of fostering a bit of a rapprochement with his father and his brother will be enough. i'm not sure . after the contents i'm not sure. after the contents of the book and everything else, i'm just is this actually what he wants? is it really going through the punishment beating in the press? maybe >> maybe this is what broken britain needs. how do we get out of it? maybe it's the reconciliation of the royal family prince harry back in the fold. everyone's happy and we're back to the old days. >> well, we never, ever believed the gallagher brothers would get back together, didn't we? and they've done it after. i don't know how many years since 2009. didn't the band split up then? well they need the money. >> i think noel's going through a £20 million divorce and it's

suggested, i guess, that harry needs the money as well. >> well, i think if you think of the struggles that edward and mrs. simpson had, all those i know it was decades ago, but it's a similar royal story. and you think of the damage. so much more damage has been done by harry and meghan now. i mean , harry and meghan now. i mean, some pretty unforgivable things have been said . i think he's have been said. i think he's blown it. i think we were expecting this, but maybe not yet. maybe in 5 to 10 years time. and i don't know about obviously the anniversary of his mother's death, but this story has landed just at the right time, and i think that looks a bit calculated. i mean , who bit calculated. i mean, who knows? it would be lovely if he was back in britain and welcomed back into the royal fold. but i don't know how easy that's going to be for him, >> lisa, you don't care. you couldn't care less, could you? you couldn't give a fig. >> i would be more interested and care more if you came over with an army and sort of. we had a civil war between the princes or some sort of like war of the i'oses. >> roses. >> you want an old school? >> you want an old school? >> yeah, yeah. you know, i want

sort of. spike you know, i want netflix. i want more than could be said for his tvs. i mean, i'd be said for his tvs. i mean, i'd be more interested if he came over with an army sort of marched on buckingham palace. >> what about a, what do they call it with the horses and the javelin? >> yeah, i think yeah, we should have that. bring that back. jousting. i mean, i would be more interested than if we could see two princes trying to do each other harm. >> i suggested off air. what about a sort of a boxing match pay per about a sort of a boxing match pay per view fight between william and harry may riyadh in saudi arabia, in saudi arabia to make loads of money for the royal family. you can fix buckingham palace. it's going to be great, yeah. interesting. we'll see what happens with that. i get the feeling from the way the story has been written. charlotte griffiths from the mail on sunday, it says that they're they won't be back in they're they won't be back in the royal fold full time, but it will be a move to rehabilitate his image and maybe, you know, touchy , touchy just a bit every, touchy, touchy just a bit every, every little step at a time . every little step at a time. maybe for a few years. the first steps turn into a more permanent move, i'll just say i've mentioned lucy letby on the sunday mirror. then we didn't have the picture of the front

page, but i will i will stand corrected. she murdered seven babies and was accused of trying to kill seven others who did survive. so she didn't kill 14. she killed seven. there we go. it's going to be a really interesting story, lisa. this. so what do you reckon of lucy letby, >> i mean, i don't know why , but >> i mean, i don't know why, but i think that british justice system should do its job, and i don't know why i think that over this, because i don't usually think that about many things, but i think the amounts of conspiracy theories and the amounts of sort of twitter er, detectives, i don't think it's helping anybody. and i've got to, you know, you've got to think that these families here who have lost babies , and i who have lost babies, and i think all this sort of, you know , think all this sort of, you know, these armchair detectives and miss marple on twitter , i don't miss marple on twitter, i don't think they're doing any good. and i don't think that netflix actually doing this is going to do it any good either. oh, they won't care. >> netflix. >> netflix. >> no, they were a massive hit. >> no, they were a massive hit. >> won't it? >> won't it? >> too soon though isn't it. this is the i think this is the

mistake that a lot of these tv production companies are making. some of this stuff should be left, and it's all happening too soon. and it's you're just putting the victims families through it again and again and again. >> i mean, yeah, ultimately you're profiting off the deaths of babies. >> yeah, that's all it boils down to. >> i mean, you know, there are arguments for other shows that they've done about other serial killers, you know, some of which can be quite good. mindhunter was quite good. but as you say, that was sort of set decades and decades ago when there's been a passage of time, many of the people involved in themselves have ended up dying. but this is what was it a year ago, a year. >> it's a year ago. >> yeah. and this is, you know, as you say, seven babies that she did murder, she was convicted of murdering and seven more who she was accused of attempting to murder. and so that's what 14 families for whom actually there is absolutely no need, no justification for profiting off their misery , profiting off their misery, where children who didn't have a chance. >> i mean, it's not investigative journalism, is it? netflix? it's not going to be an investigative documentary that's looking at all the angles it's going to be. i mean, what i've

seen of documentaries on netflix is usually quite prurient. >> well, it says here in the second paragraph of this mail, sunday mirror story, this will mean fresh agony the 14 babies she murdered or tried to kill. so you're quite right, netflix. do some good documentaries. what about do you remember that. no. have you seen that anyone? >> no, no. >> no, no. >> just me. okay well, there's my recommendation. >> i prefer the michael jordan documentary was good, but he didn't kill any babies, so also, i think there are there are criminals who are interesting and have a fascinating story, but there's not there's nothing about this that i think an audience would want to sit down and be put through. >> but you do know, i mean, jeffrey dahmer as well. i teach in a university, and we get lots of students who want to do criminology, and they want to do criminology, and they want to do criminology because they watch true crime stuff. yeah, and there is sort of like it's a, it's fashionable, and i don't think it does anybody any good, actually, because when they come to the university and we're doing criminology and we're talking about sort of research and theories, they kind of lose

interest. >> okay, one more story on this, in the sunday telegraph . rather in the sunday telegraph. rather stop testing children on times tables . stop testing children on times tables. unions tell ministers, oh, goodness me , times tables oh, goodness me, times tables test should be scrapped and grammar exams stripped back. teaching unions are urging the government ministers are being called to cut down the number of tests in primary schools, which unions claim lead to the most. well lead to high levels of anxiety . basically the sunday anxiety. basically the sunday telegraph. this is absurd , telegraph. this is absurd, benedict, isn't it? >> it is. and, you know, it's one of those things where you hearit one of those things where you hear it and you just have to roll your eyes and you say, well, is this actually because it causes children anxiety, or is it because it sounds like hard work for teachers? actually, i think, you know, everything points to the fact that as much as it might be very dull, very repetitive, and it doesn't work for every single child learning by rote and practising and drilling these things from an early age. i'm afraid, does give children the bedrock, the foundation that they need. and actually, you know, rishi sunak said it himself. this country doesn't do particularly well in maths. we need to actually be improving these things , i don't think that these things, i don't think that this is the time to be rowing back on education, because it

might make children a little bit under seven times seven, seven times seven is and i'm good on my seven times. >> get out fired. >> get out fired. >> but can i look can i just say seriously when kids go to primary school, seriously when kids go to primary school , there should be primary school, there should be more fun at primary school. it should be gentle. it should be about discovering you're a parent of young children. do you want them constantly tested and coming home with homework when they're at primary school? >> yeah, my sweetheart boy jude starts school in about two weeks. primary school? yeah. will you wait until he started school? i'm having a bit of a debate with my missus. i'd rather he. if i had my way, he'd go to school 3 or 4 days a week, and then the other days he'd be playing tennis or going on some adventures with me. there is. >> there is evidence, actually, that boys are would do better if they didn't sort of teach them this way at five and six. actually there is evidence, i don't know. and i think, i think kids are tested a 6 or 7 year old, put under that pressure. i don't think that's i don't think john stuart mill was fluent in

ancient greek and latin by the age of six. >> just putting it out there, it is possible it can be done. it doesn't necessarily damage. >> so was i, but i don't show off about it. >> that's why you don't know. >> that's why you don't know. >> well i well well i wasn't and you know i've got a phd now so come on seven times seven is it. >> no one's asked 49 isn't it. yeah well done, well done. >> show off. so the demands will be handed to bridget phillipson, the education secretary, for her curriculum assessment review, education experts are saying, we're not saying children shouldn't learn times tables. they're really helpful. but the need to have times tables, have the times table checked is a bit of an unnecessary waste of time , apparently. >> well, you wait, your lad starts going to school, and there's test after test after test after test. it will wear you down as a parent. and they're going to come home and be grumpy for the rest of. >> i've already said my next door neighbour, who's about 13. he goes to school for a long day, you know, eight till three, whatever the day is. and then he comes home and they make him do 3 or 4 hours of homework. i couldn't believe it when my neighbour had 3 or 4 hours. i've

said to my wife, my boys aren't doing that, they're not doing that. >> and there are calculators nowadays on phones that everybody's got. do we need it? >> yeah. interesting. okay. we're going to have more newspapers after the break and there are some more bombshell stories, including i like this one. top earners already fleeing britain ahead of the tax raids in october. i've heard from so many people, if they hike up capital gains to reflect income tax, so the higher rate of capital gains will go from 20% to 45%. millionaires and people who pay a lot into the economy in terms of the tax bill will be off. they'll be going to dubai. they'll be going to singapore. why they around? especially when the weather

tick. and welcome back to ben leo tick. and welcome back to ben leo tonight , tonight , and welcome back to ben leo tonight, more newspaper front and welcome back to ben leo tonight, more newspaper front pages have just dropped hot off pages have just dropped hot off the press. the sunday times. the press. the sunday times. parents wrecked pupils futures by letting them stay at home. labour vows more fines to end an

absence epidemic. looks jimmy savile. >> y0|my oasis shoes on. them. my oasis shoes on. >> i'll get those up. >> i'll get those up. >> my oasis shoes. there we go. can you see? oh look, i'm over

there. i can't get the angle the press, the sunday times, the press, the sunday times, the angle right. right. >> no, no, it's over there. >> no, no, it's over there. >> oh, how about how do i do >> oh, how about how do i do this now? >> the camera angle is not on me this now? >> the camera angle is not on me anyway. >> i put those on because i anyway. >> i put those on because i wanted to be loyal to the wanted to be loyal to the gallaghers. indeed. so i'm glad gallaghers. indeed. so i'm glad that someone's said that. that someone's said that. anyway, >> yeah. change of gear. i mean , anyway, >> yeah. change of gear. i mean , >> yeah. change of gear. i mean, you're probably not a very good >> yeah. change of gear. i mean, you're probably not a very good joke to crack at that point, but joke to crack at that point, but tv's danny danniella westbrook, tv's danny danniella westbrook, she was a victim of jimmy savile she was a victim of jimmy savile she was a victim of jimmy savile she claims. she was a victim of jimmy savile she claims. >> yes. was she. yeah. she says >> yes. was she. yeah. she says here she was targeted. so we here she was targeted. so we don't know how far this went. i don't know how far this went. i mean it is absolutely dreadful mean it is absolutely dreadful but i would imagine she says but i would imagine she says apparently according to the apparently according to the interview she was abused by interview she was abused by jimmy savile. >> she says, the eastenders jimmy savile. >> she says, the eastenders legend was targeted by a string legend was targeted by a string of predators when she was aged of predators when she was aged between 9 and 14. and she says between 9 and 14. and she says that jimmy savile was indeed one that jimmy savile was indeed one of her abusers, unfortunately. of her abusers, unfortunately. >> well, absolutely dreadful. i >> well, absolutely dreadful. i mean, there can't be that many mean, there can't be that many people walking around bbc tv people walking around bbc tv centre between the 70s and the centre between the 70s and the 80s who probably weren't, who 80s who probably weren't, who probably weren't, approached by probably weren't, go

jimmy savile. >> you're

know, obsessively sort of go after vulnerable women. i think we've seen it with katie price. i think we've i'm not sure the daily star put in danniella westbrook on the front page. and you know no matter what the reason is i think she's a vulnerable woman. and i do sort of fear that that you know tabloids sometimes abuse. >> well i'm a i'm a former tabloid man. i mean daniel has sat down and spoken to the star. i mean, they've not done the dirty on her here. she's obviously a victim of sexual abuse. they are guaranteed, according to the law, anonymity for life. unless they want to, by their own account, come forward and talk about it. so. yeah, i think she's pretty brave to do so. benedict. >> i mean, obviously we don't know the full truth. we have only heard one side of the story, and that's how we will never get the full truth, because obviously jimmy savile is no longer here. and i think we all just look forward, really, to the day when revelations about jimmy savile stop coming out, because i think they will. well that's the thing, is that there just seems

to be such a well of things that followed him around that people didn't know about. one day that will stop. it'll stop being a story. it'll stop being such a horrific thing that everybody has to keep on remembering, yes, he was very close to the levers of power. he was, you know, sort of power. he was, you know, sort of embedded in the media establishment of that country. when that day happens, that will be a very happy day, i think. >> i don't think just to push back on that, i don't think we should ever forget people like jimmy savile, the way he entwined himself in the corridors of power royalty, you know, keys to broadmoor, the keys to broadmoor. we should never forget that happened. and who allowed it? you know, the fact that it happened under the bbc's watch. we should never, ever forget that. we need to remember that and keep that in our minds for a long time to come. anyway, we move on. the scourge of cyclists speeding through red lights and treating the roads as their own personal racetrack has been exposed in the daily telegraph, so the paper monitored cyclists outside the busy saint thomas's hospital in central london and found that more than half of them, and we can see now on the screen, if you're watching on tv, brazenly jumped red lights to rush hour traffic counts found hundreds of

cyclists weaving between pedestrians and pavements and riding in the wrong direction , riding in the wrong direction, many pedestrians using the crossing on the bridge over the thames were elderly or had limited mobility, and were visiting hospital. this is a great story from the telegraph. it's on their website if you want to have a look at it. and it just goes to show that cyclists alex don't give a damn. >> no, they don't . and there >> no, they don't. and there they come up behind you in parks when you're walking the dog and you're not, and they are travelling so fast they're on the pavement a lot. but i kind of understand that because if my children were going out and they're grown up now as cyclists, i might say, well, stay on the pavement. it's got to be safer than the roads. >> okay, time now for tonight's greatest briton. and union jack has benedict spence, let's start with you. who is your greatest briton tonight? >> the late former england manager sven—goran eriksson, who sadly passed away earlier this week . and it was a very, very week. and it was a very, very sad thing that he died in the way that he did, got cancer, but

also very dignified message that he gave sort of a tribute to the people he'd worked with. and i think just an all round good egg who we sort of look back on at a not particularly successful time in english football, but actually, given what's sort of gone before and come afterwards, i think a solidly a roundly solid chap. >> good shout. alex your greatest briton. >> well, an honorary american. well, an honorary brit who was american. fatman scoop, the rapper, had a big number1 in 2003 with be faithful. he was on celebrity big brother. he helped a lot of young british rappers and a channel 4 documentary. he sadly collapsed a couple of days ago and died. so he's mine. >> he died last night? yeah. lisa mckenzie i'm going to have oasis just because they've sort of set set the media afire. >> they've upset a lot of guardian journalists who don't think that white working class people from the north should be returning, so. >> okay. all good nominations. i think it's going to be sven—goran eriksson, the former england manager. as you said,

benedict, he's a great guy. he's, you know, a very well loved guy in the world of sport. we've got to be very quick. >> you're just seeing as we can do groups. everton football club. why just the antithesis of sven—goran eriksson. classless. huge amounts of debt. they lost all of their games this season and the fans are hating the players and vice versa. >> alex, this is a bit unfair, but liam gallagher because he's bound to screw it up before august. >> oh lisa well i've done keir starmerjust because i think we starmer just because i think we could have him every week. he's just sort of a tumbling into to sort of misery every week. >> okay. no surprise everton, i quite like as a club, you know i'm an arsenal fan. but tonight of course it's like losing. it's sir keir starmer. of course it's like losing. it's sir keir starmer . cheeky. leave sir keir starmer. cheeky. leave it you. sir keir starmer obviously 55 days in power. i'm not sure what he's up to, but his popularity ratings have absolutely plummeted, and yeah, who knows what's going to happen over the next four and a bit years, that's all for tonight . years, that's all for tonight. thank you for joining years, that's all for tonight. thank you forjoining us. i'll thank you for joining us. i'll be back tomorrow from 9 pm. and mark dolan is back next week. benedict. alex. lisa mckenzie,

thank you so much, yeah. keep track of this big growing story. i know some of you back home are saying that you don't care about prince harry, but this really is a big story. he could be coming back to the uk. could be getting back to the uk. could be getting back into the royal fold, and meghan might be back as well. you lucky so—and—sos. as i said, i'm back from 9 pm. tomorrow. next up, it's headliners and that's after your weather with marco. have a good night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. over the next few days. the weather will be turning increasingly unsettled. we will start to see some outbreaks of rain developing, even some thunderstorms in places. that's because high pressure starting to pull away to the northeast of the uk, allowing our south easterly flow to develop, and this warm front starting to introduce some cloud from the south. and that's certainly the case as we head through the evening into the overnight period, more in the way of cloud pushing northwards across england and wales. some showers starting to break out, some

locally heavy, particularly towards the far south and southeast. towards the end of the night where the odd thunderstorms possible. so the clear skies looking towards the northwest across parts of scotland and northern ireland, and here turning quite chilly in some rural spots into mid to upper single figures holding up though in the south quite a humid night across some southern areas with lows in the high teens celsius. as for sunday, well, we'll start the day across the north and northwest of the uk on a fine note. any early mist and low cloud lifting to give some sunshine at times, but the sunniest weather towards the far north—west of scotland, heading further south into england and wales more in the way of cloud around and at this stage in the morning we'll start to see a few showers breaking out, but particularly across the central and southern part of england. here again, 1 or 2 heavy, even thundery showers are possible as we head through the day, those showers start to become more extensive across some central and southern parts of england, eventually working their way north into parts of northern england into the afternoon too. so it's a north—west of the uk and across some western spots, seeing the best of the lingering brightness with 1 or 2 lighter showers here. but those showers across

england and wales, there eastern parts of wales there locally on the heavy side and could give some flooding in places as well. temperatures peaking in the southeast at a very warm and quite humid 27 celsius. as for monday, more low pressure will be in charge so it stays very unsettled , but we could see some unsettled, but we could see some further thundery showers across the east and northeast of the uk, with rain also working its way in from the west, eventually turning fresher out across parts of northern ireland. temperatures here no better than 18 celsius into the afternoon. an unsettled start into the coming working week, but things perhaps turning a bit drier towards the middle part of the week, with temperatures returning to the seasonal average. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb. news >> good evening from the gb newsroom at 11:00. i'm sophia wenzler with your headlines. the bodies of three children and a

man have been found at a property in staines. after officers were called to the address by the ambulance service. surrey police say an investigation is now underway to establish the circumstances of their deaths. the force believes it is an isolated incident with no third party involvement . a 32 no third party involvement. a 32 year old mother and a man who were both attacked in separate incidents during the notting hill carnival have now both died. share. maximian was stabbed at the carnival while attending the event with her three year old child. the 32 year old was taken to hospital in a critical condition, but despite the best efforts of medical staff, she died from her injuries. meanwhile museum nato, who worked as a top chef, was found unconscious on monday evening near notting hill carnival and he also died from his injuries. metropolitan police said the deaths have been devastating for both families and they were both now being treated by the force as murder

investigations. all shows