[000:00:00;00] we will discuss the requirements and prerequisites for achieving a strong and serious competition in the elections . i would like to introduce to you the guests of this program mr. mohammad ali vakili , a political and media expert, as well as mr. mohsen mahdian, one of the media experts and also a political expert from the respected viewers of the network. i'm saying goodbye to a tv . follow us on the news channel for the report of this program and the beginning of the conversation. at the beginning of tonight's conversation, let us see and hear some of the statements of the supreme leader of the islamic revolution regarding the importance of the elections

. competition means faction political parties compete with each other to participate in the elections . different political and economic trends compete in the elections. the field should be open for the competition of political factions, political views and political opinions, as well as economic and cultural . the meaning of competition is that young people who want

to enter the election field should compete. they should try with experienced people, they should also try, and a good and strong parliament is one that has both these young people and experienced people in it , and with competitions, competition means putting this competition in one of the most important issues in about elections this is mr. vakili . i greet you. you are very welcome. in the name of allah , the most merciful, the most merciful. i also greet you. dear colleagues and viewers of this program , mr. mahdian, welcome to the special interview studio. salam alaikum. i am a courtesy to you and dear guests and dear audience of your program. we saw and heard the supreme leader of the islamic revolution mention

the issue of elections in his meeting with the people of kerman and khuzestan. transformation has a hint that the election is the basis of transformation. how does the election bring about transformation? well, mr. mahdian, please, no , please, please, not you, what is the shape of the election? the form of competition is actually an election , a so-called election. what kind of container will this dish be in? if the election is a form, if it is a formality, if it is unfair, it will definitely not lead to transformation. elections become relevant when they themselves, which, in my opinion

, was the golden point in the leadership's statements, of course, in the past as well. it was emphasized, but this time it was found to be very bold. this is that a good election is in the mind of the leader. a good election means an election that is maximally participatory elections. it is not provided that the result is not desired. we have a pathological view of why our elections are becoming less prominent in the last decade, and each period is becoming less prominent, and it is causing concern for the leaders of the system, who have to emphasize the necessity there are competitive elections because good elections are elections for the interests of the nationalists

. good elections are elections. but in the equation between good elections, the desired result of a part of the system over the years. the desired result should come first so that the elections are good and sometimes they reach this conclusion in the policy and decision-making position that the result desires are provided through minimal elections , and

they do not see maximum elections in their own interests , that is, you say that some people are looking for minimal elections. in other words , the point of competitive elections is unfair elections. it was a handiwork of power, and it is still successful. this trend, the golden point of its scoring , was formed from the fact that it did not consider the point of competition as the same . it was adjusted and turned into the flow of revolutionaries. this

is the starting point and the whistle of this electoral competition is almost a year before the reformists, that is , they know one year in the marathon. after one year, the whistle is blown for the reformists. pointing out two sentences, i would like to say that transformation takes place through elections, a strategic principle that has always been considered in all the years after the revolution, in the sense that we cannot

take anyone even to heaven by force, that is, basically, if there is going to be a transformation , there should be no choice, no decision. and this cannot happen without the will of the people. i think this is very important and it is key for all currents that even if they are following an efficient path, they should know that this is formed from the presence of people. in general , relationships will change, that is, if you see this kind of story, we will enter and create efficiency, that's one thing. the fact that we have to make an effort for the people to be present and to make this happen with the participation, will and decision of the people is a completely different path. why am i saying this? now i want to expand on the points. our honorable brother, it is said that this year's round of leadership speeches refers to the form of orian in the presence of the people, it has never been like this. it has never been like this. from the first day that the revolution takes place, basically, the revolution takes place with the same model

. you have an interpretation of the imam on april 12, which is a strange interpretation that needs an explanation. at that point, imam says that this is the day of government. what does allah mean by the context sir, what does this need to be explained, the explanation is exactly the same religious democracy that the leader also said that both republicanism and islamism depend on the presence of the people, whether it is republicanism or islamism, well see these interpretations are not interpretations but political interpretations whether it was today or yesterday , these interpretations have strong ideological supports , they have the support of 40 years of islamic revolution . the leader always said that even if you don't agree with me , come and participate, because the path to prosperity is the only path to efficiency, that's all. we

have no other way. now, of course, i don't really want to get into the political discussion at a lower level , but the reality was like this. you are finished the elections we had a downward trend to. the reason is that the rule of those who were in the rule in the previous period has nothing to do with being inefficient. you check, mr. vakili, check all the periods in which the reform process was present . the municipality, the elections in the parliament, in the government , the elections were held . the next elections must have been a downward trend. what was the reason for the decrease in participation? the reason is that the people felt that our father voted and nothing happened . sir, we do not come to the polls, that's what they are saying sir, what is the use of it, what is the use of it, you have seen it before, you have already seen it, sir, in that parliament, for example , reformism

has been formed. now, when they say that the reformist, principled reformist parliament has really ended , it has become an ineffective parliament. there is no, so to say, for example, a downward trend , not a downward trend, in some places we had ups and downs, explainable ups and downs , it is important in my opinion, now that it is said that a part of the body is following , because the interpretation, in my opinion, was not the same as your current, i think with your question did you correct that exactly? this is what they are looking for to moderate the speech. that and saying that it is part of the political current, first of all, saying that it is part of the body of the system is a very dangerous thing, mr. vakili , explain all the presidents of the republic after the revolution , most of whom were reformists, mr. rouhani , really, the body of the system was looking for them, that mr. rouhani would be a reformist, mr. khatami. and the body of the system is looking for it. well, this is a very wrong thing. the parliament, which was in the hands of the reformists, the city council , which was in the hands of the reformists. with which model and which formula did they really come forward to reach that point? i think it is a bit unfair to say that this is a part of

now that some people are following the political currents, i am not denying this . there are groups, even if they are in the minority, who think that their victory lies in the fact that the people will speak less on the stage or that the political arrangement, for example, will be engineered. the sentence of mr. vakili, when i asked you to tell me which movement and political groups there is another movement in front of which there is another movement , which is my movement. the late businessman said , sir, you have revolutionized, go to your house we are here, we are making a decision, the imam gave them the answer right there that no, here the people are the people until the end , who decide on the stage. yes, this is present in both currents . there are some people in the political currents to answer your question. sir, if there are no people

, we will vote, it is possible that there is more regulation of this profession, sir, that in the body of the system , there is a stream that will then be sent to the guardian council , which sir, was established by supervision. it's time to remove trump in america they are doing this because they say that he has acted against the security, there is a surveillance system that exists all over the world . we should not say anything that is against reason . we are having a discussion with mr. vakili . i want to see these political discussions that we are having or are we going to discuss in the economic and cultural field. real competition means real competition. this is the discussion we are having in the studio right now . you are talking. is mr. mahdian answering or are you talking? there was a time when we were invited here because of a cliché repetition that is boring for years. it has been familiar to the people for years, and people

are tired of these words. they say that nothing can be done through these words. one time is this, one time is that behind these words of the leader, which shows that the recent words of the leader were different words that sounded different. and sema has now put on the second program to explain these talks, and ela seda and sima led. in the first year of dealing with the elections, we had a special program of various programs, mr. vakili, and since much earlier in the year, in the meeting with shura, we had these and probably you with this, for example, invited you would have gone to welcome him but you didn't go, these conversations must have had a different theme as you are a lawyer, so i don't know if what he said is true. if it is repeated and the pathology

is not real, then nothing will change. the truth of the story is what mr. mahdian is calling him now . when people don't believe that their vote is influential in their destiny, they say it doesn't matter whether we vote or not. mr. mahdoni said that people from they recognize the functions, let them say that people can't see anything in this parliament, so why should they say it to the next parliament? let's go. they say to see the next parliament , why should we go to the next parliament? it is completely correct. why are the institutions of the people's basic institutions, whether we accept them or not? they have weakened from their function. what

has caused them to weaken? are necessary the parliament i was in, in the 10th parliament, lacked the necessary capacity to respond to the minimal expectations of the nation. the nation that voted for me had the highest expectations. we were unable to meet the minimum expectations of those people. what people expect from this 11th parliament is not what is happening. people with beards we laugh. if we say in the name of the people, the people wanted this parliament, their only platform is the platform of the nation's house, their only refuge is the nation's house. from this house of the nation, how many different voices of the nation

find echoes. nation it was far away, but what is the need for different sections of the nation to gather in front of the parliament every day to shout out their demands in different ways, in the cold, in the heat , with traffic from the country's borders , the people send representatives there so that this representative can cover their demands. but when they see for any reason. all in all, these representatives are not the national voice, they are not the public voice of the nation, people will be unmotivated, why is the sed pajhwok parliament not the voice of the nation, it needs 10 programs

, but if i am allowed to express two or three short points, i would like to say a structure of the electoral system. we have a mistake in the structure of our electoral system, it does not produce an efficient parliament , regardless of whether this parliament is reformist or fundamentalist, this parliament does not produce an efficient parliament with this type of electoral system. josh legislates tomorrow, the supreme council of the cultural revolution will legislate on its behalf, so tomorrow the council of heads of power will legislate on its behalf. this parliament is not a parliament. the parliament that today was the 11th parliament was a revolutionary one-handed parliament. this parliament, when the nation sees the case of nearly four billion dollars of violations, comes to the table

of the nation and shocks the nation so much, the nation understands that this parliament, on behalf of the people , probably had the power of supervision, but it could not shine the light of public supervision on the post of golden decisions. that these decisions do not lead to these corruptions, mr mahdians of mr. vakili believe that these words will cause a real competition in the election environment. i think there are two reasons that prevent people's participation, and one of them is the speaker. i mentioned recently and that is that we should say things that make people feel that there is really nothing but blackness. well, i say, when everything is black, why should i come to participate in the elections ? these are a group of people who usually use this pattern in their statements. or

is it unintentional that they say that sir, everything is hot , everything is ruined and this is the future of the nation when we came and it happened like this, we will be back again. the second category is the officials who fuel their inefficiency. mr. vakili points very well. by the way, mr. vakili mentions some points that he himself should address. that is, they are referring to things that are all related to legislation. sir , our election system should be like this. well, the question is, mr. vakili, were you in the parliament? you and your group were in the parliament. you should be accountable now, you should not be the side of the claimant that you should have said these things when you were in the parliament. you should have tried, you should have declared, you should have said the same thing you are saying now. i could have said that we were far away from the people, which is very good , it is really valuable, but mr. vakili, despite all these years

, you admit that you are far away. it is very bad . when you were in the parliament, you came and said in front of the camera like a man, "i can't work for the people, but you voted." i can't do anything for you, it's too bad , i think these two groups are really tearing this apart like scissors. the system of people's participation and connection to the elections is causing damage and it should be done for this let's think about it. a lot of it is the media's fault. it's also the political debate . now that we are in power, what else are we doing now that we are, we are moving. this is really more than our structural problems. why do we like everything? let's send money to a place that is really fantastic, for example, mr. ta'. they say that the council for the expediency of the system legislates , where does the council for the expediency of the system legislate, the supreme council of the cultural revolution legislates, the people

did not come, sir , for what reason? the program is a shame, it's a shame. it's your plan . well, mr. vakili, let's see how the supreme council of the cultural revolution is involved in legislation. for example, people participate. it is clear that it is politics. it is very clear that you should be in the same structure as in the same structure where the policy is made . he says that things like debash chai, which i agree with , let's really go to debash chai and see where the root is, but mr. vakili is really so bold . they have to say, where is the nature of the corruption with rail wrong legislation started in the previous government . the source of my starting point is the snake of the qibla government . by the way, in this parliament, the preferential interest rate

is being removed with the help of the government, which is the source of such corruptions. it happens to go to the right path to correct the structure. the first thing they stop is the corruption that has formed in the past. we shouldn't . how can we reverse these words? the thing that prevents participation is this dishonesty. this is the way people talk about everything. they are disappointed, and the blackness that is created and the leadership also emphasizes saying this model of advertising that ultimately causes disappointment, causes people not to come to the scene. i think they are referring to this model of discussing virginity. pointing out that advertising is free from lying and slandering and completely in the same space

, not advertising, not basically, i mentioned that sometimes, some people in the field of participation , sometimes we blacken the space, people have no excuse to participate, i said these two there is no edge, there is a flow of inefficient officials , lazy officials, officials who sit and people look at them they see that yes, well, if this person is going to sit there with my vote, then why should i come to the polling station, mr. i am surprised that you are so isolated from the assembly. recognition does not legislate, mr. mahdian, in the recognition assembly, a board was created

called the high monitoring board for how many years, all the matters of the parliament are in accordance with the constitution, at the same time that the guardian council goes to express its opinion, unfortunately, it goes to this board and this board also submits the request of the guardian council . unlike the guardian council, which does not add or subtract from the law, but in this board, it adds or subtracts from the law passed by the parliament. in this parliament , things about general policies are very strange . this is what you say . like the issue of import of second-hand cars , like the issue of siant, and like the hijab bill right now

, it all goes to that committee and that committee adjusts it. he adds, subtracts, and this is against the constitution, and this is a clear violation of the constitution, because he has the monopoly to legislate based on the constitution , if the basis of the constitution is in the parliament. hello islamic council, but you said what did you do in your parliament? yes, i said that the election system is wrong. because of this system, the election system of the parliament will not be formed efficiently, because it is the law. let's change the elections. we took our time for 2 years . we amended the law of the electoral society. we sent it to the guardian council with two focal points . we made the elections from the provincial area. it did not take shape, but

the guardian council was deported and it was the real election. what kind of election is an election that has the same starting point? ok, the starting point of the marathon is that the leadership correctly said that the factions should compete with each other. is it possible for a faction in the country to be so confident in its methods and processes that it will pass through this path without any help without any stones, but mr. . the politician will not know until the last minute how many people from his campaign can pass through this persanglakh corridor . we are using

english words a lot. political in our country. from a year they are already in the marathon, because they are confident in the so-called race course, because they are confident that there is no obstacle in their way, you say no, look at the qualification approval lists , look at the maximum strictness on one side of negligence for mr. mahdian , it was very strange for them that we, that is, now you believe that easy conditions are available for a faction in the field of elections. it is predicted that a political faction of mr. ma we want to go to provide the path for maximum elections , but a political faction that

had a popular base and popular acceptance had the power to bring the people. he was in the election stage, what should i do now , what should i do, whether he will reach a list or not , but the fight in another faction has so many candidates that the fight will come to the competition even if it is based on several lists, this means that this means that the field, the field of competition, the fair field , is not the same field, if we want to say it in words , it is. people judge whether it is or not it is part of the system, mr. mahdian , the entry of the number of executive boards in this election , disqualifying the performance of the executive boards centered on the ministry of interior, does it have a role in the participation rate or

not, is this a part of the system or not ? these executive boards have the role of so-called deepening of participation or reducing it. meanwhile, mr. mahdian, mr. vakil , said that for a group and flow, the conditions are not easy and there is no competitive field in this election . your second question, the answer to which is very simple, i think it will be repeated . dear mr. vakil, please explain how did they go to the parliament to explain? how did mr. rouhani and mr. khatami become presidents? how was the city council that was in the hands of the reformers formed? well, i don't really know what i should defend and what should i explain? o disqualification, now they have to