you are with the economy table. here in our studio mr. olyaei, the former ceo of esteghlal club, mr. vaez ashtiani, the former deputy of the ministry of industry, ms. taherkhani , the capital market expert, the stock exchange expert, will be added to javan, and mr. nejad, the former ceo of police press, who is with all the guests. we will talk about the topic that i presented to you. hello to all the guests of today's economy table program, i would like to start with mr. olyaei and this question, mr. olyaei , how do you see the way of handing over? in the name of god , i am at your service, your respected colleagues and dear viewers. greetings and politeness, this grief, this sad story, unfortunately, is leading to narrow places . for the privatization of clubs, all clubs must

have a model . adopt a model like all developed and advanced countries, so basically you don't have a problem with privatization. no, it must be privatized. in my opinion, no country, even john somi , manages its football or its club from the government. those that were managed by the government 70 the year of trying half the world rome was theirs it has finally been dissolved. in the former soviet union , the procedure was to have everything in one's own hands, so this is not the wisdom, logic, experience of the constitution, the resistant opinion of the leadership of everyone , that we should finally leave the people's affairs in the hands of the people , so we agree with the principle of privatization, but it is a wrong practice that dear brothers who only want in the framework of solving the task , they should do it themselves. unfortunately, i said that i am the service of mr. president and my ministers

. there was no capital increase you created a debt for the club , that is, the only art of the gentlemen in this loading is to bring 10% percent of the club, the claimant to spend his money is equivalent to creating a debt, so obviously you do not agree with the stock market , we do not agree with this method. there are different types of transfers, but this method of action by gentlemen is not acceptable at all. this method in the stock market, or in general, the method of transfer in the stock market, part of the method could have been in the stock market, but the supporting part should have been included in the stock market. first, we sometimes have to

find the owner of the private sector. we would do it now in the fan section or in the stock market were we selling or cooperatively ? there was also a discussion about cooperation. because you have suggested that the 10% that we sold is between 15 and 20% in the progressive club of the world , it is the fans' shares. now the fans' shares can be sold in the stock market. the fans' shares can be done cooperatively. shinani, what is your opinion, you who basically have no objection to the privatization and handing over of bashka, in the name of allah, the most merciful , the most merciful, to you, dear guests and also dear viewers , i say hello and have a good time. whether you like it or not, things should be left in the hands of the people in an economy where nearly 80 % is in the hands of the government. it is based on the constitution our economy is public, private and cooperative, and this has not happened in these few years that we can use the capacity of the constitution through work.

first of all, i would like to thank mr. president for holding a meeting with his critics and his supporters and it was shown that critics are not enemies and brokers should learn to be brokers. system to hold such meetings and those who criticize should not be seen as enemies or as those who do not want to take their place, while handing over to barjad mechanisms are needed. i believe that these mechanisms have not been implemented well . we have pointed out many times that you must provide a platform in an economy that, as i mentioned, with the existing inflation and the high cost of football, unfortunately , what do you want? tell me

go to the stock market , no one has anything against winning the stock market, take everyone to the stock market, but what are your preparations? in the last year and a half , we have come to say that these two clubs have been counted. we will make it clear, then claiming that these two clubs have no debt and even claiming to be one of them the clubs benefited from these two clubs , why are you saying mr. gurbanzadeh ? it had one signature, always the account report has two signatures. and this showed that the audit organization itself and those who audit

are involved in a series of issues. let's take this 10% to the stock market it will be sold in less than a day. you saw how many days it was. most importantly, sadie's private organization advertised on a billboard. kurd did a lot of advertising, now i don't know if he should do this or not, but in the end, out of this 10% sale, how many percent did he buy, 3% did he support the rest, that is, he showed that this address is wrong, and this number of 3 % is about 75,000, that is 30 million fans who claim to be fans have 3% come to buy , 70 thousand people come to buy, so with privatization and transfer. you don't have any objection , you didn't have much point in the way this is what we want to say: in football , which is expensive, and every club spends on average 500 billion tomans, and now one club

has spent 1000 billion, one 7000, in such an environment where there is a heated atmosphere, who is ready to buy these stocks? by the way, i say that you should go to the stock market . why didn't you buy your block until now ? why didn't you buy the 51 blocks that were 3 to 17 because there is no economic justification? the economy of our sport has no economic justification at all. when an investor comes to invest in something that has no economic justification, then let's go. if you agree, prepare a report in the group let's watch your sports together, let's go back and talk after about 3 decades, finally it was 2 years ago . the shares of these two clubs will be handed over to the fans of these two clubs with the approval of the board of directors of the club and 5

% to all the former players and the technical staff of the history of the two clubs . with the requirement of financial transparency, the amount of the contract is now the term. the reason for its lack of acceptance is that the income sources of these two clubs are very unclear. now , the shares were supposed to be offered on december 12, 2015, but the farbours company has announced that no customers have been found these days.

for the time being, the issue of babak kazemi's elimination from sed and sima news agency, well, we have seen babak kazemi's report together, mrs. tahrkhani, an expert in the capital market. do you agree with football players or do you agree with privatization ? greetings and good day to you and dear guests. the right points are sometimes pointed out by friends of the guests . we have no doubt that privatization should happen. a very important upstream document. we have the name of article 44 of the law in 2008, where it is emphasized that the government should withdraw from corporations, but many more important regulations and instructions are also mentioned there. the methods of transfer, the methods of monitoring after

the transfer, which are the most important, are all mentioned in the information that the privatization organization published on its website and announced 51 shares of two state-owned companies. these two shares are too much, just like their financial statements in kodal, if friends take the time to take a look, the income status of these friends ended up being a loss, and the accumulated losses were already there, so according to the transfer regulations approved by the government itself. that the shares that make a loss, the government companies that make a loss , should be transferred from other methods than the stock market among the auction method and the negotiation method, now that regarding stocks like esteghlal and presplis, which are losing money and with this income perspective, which friends rightly point to, our question is why the stock exchange method was chosen, we support this method.

it is the most transparent method, but the problem here is that we have this expectation from the privatization organization . give us the answers to a few questions. one is the 51 that was announced. the number that was announced for the 51 shares of esteghlal club and persepis means that the control site is 3 out of five. the buyer owns the site according to the price. that announcing the price of 51 for these two clubs is equivalent the price is 100%. if you check the prices today, esteghlal and presplis price is approximately 176 tomans. presplis is a bit higher than this . both sides are almost 2 thousand billion tomans. they are 100 tomans, but we see that 51 of these two clubs are equivalent. the price of 100 is actually valued. the first question is that and the first request is that we would definitely like

to see the valuation report of these two shares. what is the basis? the control site must be higher than the table, but according to the coefficients announced by the audit organization itself. this number is a so-called fairy number, but it is from beyond there is probably a justification for it that we don't take it in cash, we take 10% in cash , and we pay the rest in 12-12 to 6-month installments, which takes almost 6 years. is it possible for me to come and do the calculations and say that part of this number that remains is part of this figure that is actually 1800 billion that i can make a profit from, so the publication of this report can definitely benefit me as an analyst or me as a potential buyer. give an opinion , maybe someone who is a share seller who is a government can see a special trend for this club in that report, but i am not an analyst with this information.

i can reach it. second question: the rest of the share that remains in the hands of the government, according to the information that is available in kodala , approximately 88 shareholders are now the ministry of sports . 51 will be handed over, but the amount or the percentage that remains is the ministry of sports, well, we can say that cit is the winner, and definitely the force of that potential buyer, even the non-governmental public institutions that have announced their readiness to name them in the media. the government doesn't get it, so the site that remains in the hands of the government, which is between one and two sites, can be said to be equivalent to control. there are 100 companies, the question is when will the rest be handed over, because even thousands of you will come, give a plan , give a strategy, give a development plan , definitely those premium shares that the government won't let, something else will

happen here. according to the eligibility regulations for determining the eligibility of buyers, which is also on the website of the self-building organization, it is mentioned there that i will come and take care of the eligibility for some things that i want to sell . it is also the determination of technical and specialized competence, which is the main part of what is in this ritual the focus of the letter is that you are a buyer , do you have the money or not? i'm fine. you can pay the installments. you can pay the club . can you afford this share or not? the problem here is that now that we are talking, there is no clarification. the case of potential buyers and methods of evaluation that the organization has been skinned. it has not been published . we want this to be published. besides, the main challenge of these

two clubs for handing over is the issue of income in the financial statements of both of them. the response they are getting is that the same figure for last year was 40 billion for two clubs. let's assume that this income is removed. other income items are zero. well, i am a buyer. with what perspective, with what promise, with what expectation can i buy? thank you, we will get back to you, mr. nejad, you are also on our communication line. mr. nejad , please tell me that you agree with ms. taherkhani's statements in the way that they are criticizing, whether it was offered in the capital market or not. do you think that the procedure was the correct procedure that has been adopted so far and our progress is in the name of allah, the most gracious, the most merciful? allow me i would like to offer greetings, politeness and respect to the dear, noble people of our country

. i would also like to greet your dear guests, mr. olyaei and mr. vaez. look, i want to ask you a question and actually enter into the discussion, which article 44 of the constitution says that all the type of economic activities should be left to the private sector, and my question is whether the only station that wants to be left to the private sector is actually the football station. all these industries of nejat petrochemical factory of polad shabana were handed over without anyone noticing their handing over, and the buyer was actually known in advance, but clearly which one which privatization are you referring to? since you mentioned it, i will ask the question once more . i said, clearly, which privatization are you referring to . it was done in this way, because he said, i explained the logic of 44

based on the policies of article 44 of the constitution. it was not overnight, for example. i say now let's go to petrochemicals, there are records in different places where it is already known who the buyers are , i am not talking about football, there are other places that i want to compare. all these tv programs and all these media he pays for it, but there is no buyer. why is it that someone who is a buyer of anything, the first thing he wants to pay is the amount of income that he will get from this work, is the income generating infrastructure ready for football in our country, for example , are broadcast rights paid to the clubs now or not, and so you see

, it makes it very difficult, because today football in our country is not only football, but only on green grass. it won't end today, football is the only joy of people and people actually get their joy from football, and i don't want to go into its different dimensions now. do you agree that it is being handed over in this way? no, i basically agree with the handing over. you are not against it. i agree 100%. when our football reaches its true position , when 100 is handed over , let's see how it should be handed over, in your opinion. who are the real football fans ? in my opinion, those are the ones who grow up with football, live with the laughter of

football, laugh with tears, and share what is possible. the majority of these two clubs, the real fans of these two clubs, the managers who are there, for example , you are two very valuable characters right here. they sat down to be the managing director of various places, especially the dear esteghlal club, and they brought me a good income . so how? first of all , there are many football players, football managers and football fans who have capital and are interested in investing in football, as long as they are sure that their investment will be returned. now

, should the government help them or not? we watch every tv channel and see what they say a certain amount of loan was allocated. for a certain project or a certain industry, for example, tourism , etc., sir, what better roof can be assigned to the fans and the majority of managers who want to buy this club , they have a certain amount of capital, and the rest must be borrowed from the place. if it is secured, you can see that these delights mean that some people can take a loan to buy the club. yes. yes, i believe that in fact, the real fans , especially the front of your business, and a combination of managers who can be the real buyers of press police and esteghlal that tomorrow.

the government should come and give them a loan so that they can speak buying bashkar from the government means that the government will come and pay for some people, for example , to buy bayan with their own team. this is how you say yes, why do i say that why should he do this ? let me ask you a question , why do all these industrial owners take loans? look, there is no problem if i name names

, for example, mr. amir qalnoi, mr. ali parveen, mr. ali daei, and dozens of football personalities, along with managers like mr. baaz ashtiani, mr. olyaei, mr. abedini, mr. gershatbi, mr. royan. dozens of managers who do management work in these two clubs. let them know how to generate income with football and club fees. in fact, the petitioners have brought a certain amount. well, let me ask here , sir. let me say a single sentence right here. with a certain amount of capital, the government knows that they are eligible in the true sense of the word. if they take these clubs , they have managers among themselves and there are people who can maintain the club , then the government will come and allocate a loan so that they can buy it at a low percentage. yes , thank you, mr. olyaei. this way of believers or do you think this is not right ? first of all, mr. nejad, i would like to say hello and politely

. i am one of the directors who during their service provided valuable service to sports . we worked perfectly . it worked for hours. i agree with the page center of majlis. yes, the minister agrees, everyone agrees, the experts agree, the only place where he disagrees is a dark room in the name of self-development organization, which is not ready to face anything . last week, shahid beheshti university held a very big seminar and invited being invited several times by the experts , gentlemen, but the way we handed over 12, about 12% of this, it cannot be done, they must keep this 12 in the form of a cooperative or in the form of shares to the fans, which mr. gurbanzadeh has promised several times before. before the 10 % sale of adam, you broadcasted it on tv. sir

, we give 5% to the fans. we give 5% to the poor people. that promise was forgotten . they made three or four promises, sir. the clarification was not made clear. sir , we want to create added value. it is worth creating. sir, the problem of joining clubs in asia is not possible we want to solve the problem of our club company. first, we must say what is the purpose of self-improvement . how many promises have you made, even though they have not been implemented? 12% assigned , another 12% should be given to the fans in the form of cooperatives or shares 5. according to their own law, they should give the right to saban . now there, the companies are the workers of the company, here before your business, here are the personnel of the managers, and 10-20, because this

transfer is legally in group two , 20% as a management share should still be in the authority of the government remains in the first stage, because in the area of ​​transfer, the establishment of esteghlal press police club. in group 2, group 2, the law says that 80 should be handed over to 20 management leaders, 51 this is our discussion. therefore, people from the private sector should come and have a club in kangar. in this congress , it was decided that sir, any name from any club

can be a club, because at that time it was taj sar club. it was nationwide , several clubs wanted to participate first of all, he should participate under one name. the government authorities have no right to participate in the competitions. gentlemen, this is from 1998, the same age as my servant. our government companies as private companies , hama electricity, tobacco, these are the decision at that time. they were supposed to have a club. legally, these are private companies, not government companies. after the revolution, with the nationalization of these things, this is becoming a disgrace. now i am worried about this pathology. to private companies. this is not service to the country and sports. again this round of the series. in 1984, i

personally took the esteghlal team and handed it over to the ministry of welfare, god save it, and after one year, the ministry of welfare had 60 people, so return it after a year, sir, saying that it does not fit with the rules of khaleej holding itself. fars created a basketball team, its basketball team became the champion of iran , and became the champion of asia . they do not have the right to the sequence course , mr. najibi, people do it, come to us, the field with the support packages, the field, we are on our way. we say, sir, according to the law now, mr. nejad fallah says that the government should give a loan so that we can do it. according to the management law, the 360-page government transformation document is here, i am at your service. let's put this in the garden

and put a rail. the problem should be resolved. after that, we can rent on the condition that this is what i am saying . you are in the law of possession. after that , let's open the lease on the condition of ownership. we will go to the source of income. mr. bazhmashtani said that because most of 80% of our economy is government, we all are. something we want the government to do it. this government should do it. it is not the will of the supreme leader , it is not the will of the constitution, nor my logic and logic. i do not accept anything . handing over in the form of a management contract for a certain period to create rail and handing over in the form of rent on the condition of ensuring that it reaches income. thank you, mr. vazdashti . you are in favor of this method of handing over. two models have been proposed. mr. nejad does not say that the government should come and give a loan so that a series of buyers who are empty-handed now, for example, can buy or, for example, have a management agreement, in this way. let it work this way, which one do you agree with?

i. before i answer your question, then let's see if the priority from the day this discussion was raised was to solve the problem of afc or to hand over . you did not respect the time that you lost, and the ministry of sports did not show any sensitivity at that time. contrary to mr. olyaei's opinion, i believe that the government should give a bill to the parliament and ask the parliament for an opportunity to privatize these two clubs. define support bags, support bags of the majlis.

if there is a need to approve the club system , i request that it be approved in your presence. on the other hand, the country's economy will be more favorable. give me a loan right now. it is not economically justified at all . believe me, it won't last half a season unless someone took the money from the head. i believe that the government will take this opportunity, so the role of the next parliament will be important here . this is my situation. yes, this same parliament can also get permission. oolii, i think you should see the difference between handing over independence to or not handing over to the ministry of welfare to bear its expenses.