viewers of meiz ekhtos program, we have seen in the news that in the past few days we are talking about the real competition in the elections. one of the issues on which there is a difference of opinion is the issue of renewing mining machinery, whether it should be supplied from domestic production sites or imported at all. how can it be entered and i would like to thank you for your presence. i invite all the viewers to follow us on the news channel if they are interested in this discussion. thank you. well, you are with the economic table. in their recent meetings, the leadership called the real competition one of the important elements of the election, which means that the spectrum express different political, economic and social views and

form a real competition together in the big election contest. the emphasis is on the presence of different points of view, but now i will limit your presence to one or two traditional points of view that have not been common before. today's economic desk is also focusing on one of the issues on which there are many different points of view, how we will come we should modernize our mines and their machines in order to have more efficiency . there are several opinions about them. one opinion states that imports should be prohibited. we just have to have domestic production from big manufacturers, now, for example, the companies we used to have in the past have been down for a few years, and they are famous like hebco . sedmohammadi, the managing director of one of the mining holdings, mr. mahdizadeh , an expert in mining machinery, is present in the table studio.

we will have internet and phone calls, but before we start our discussion with the guests of the program, i invite all the viewers to go to the report that my colleague in the mining group is preparing. let's see together, let's go back, we will start our conversation , the mining machines of these four giants. in iran, half of these machines are worn out and out of order , we have nearly 30,000 mining machines that are currently operating, more than 60% of this number that i told you, either their useful life is over or near the end of their useful life, talking about interest reduction. vari mines to two. with the order that

is issued at that time, the flow of importing cars will be disrupted. in 1401, this number reached 1287 devices in any case , we have ordered about 100 mining machines in the past year, which is about 80%. it has been produced and delivered to the customer, but it is said that the need for machines is more than the current production and import capacity. in fact , we see domestic companies, the largest of which is actually hepco . it has produced 21 machines, which is a mineral knowledge . hepco's production capacity with around 1400 mining machines and 1600 road construction machines, today we can claim that all mining and road construction needs are met. there is supply, of course

, there are currently obstacles in front of hebco, we had a growth of 5% last year we had a percentage in mining operations, so it clearly showed the change in the state of machines in the mining sector. my reason is that basically , mining operations without machines make no sense at all. in this way , by damaging one production sector, we want to support another sector. mining and domestic production are two sides of the same scale. one is the economic driver and the support of the other is the boom in production. asal nemati of sed and sima news agency. well, we saw my colleague's report together here in the studio i introduced the guest to you. zeman, hello to all the guests of the program, i want to start with mr. aminzadeh and this question that mr. zada

, can we basically produce all the ranges of mining machines that are needed for our mining operations or not, because in the report it was titled "basmillah rahman raheem" ​​no, no, such a claim at all. now we have seen two points in the report . one is that your colleagues said that we can provide all the mining equipment. because of this exploitation of the mines

, that's what the ministry always claims , and we don't accept it. let me give an explanation. first of all , there are about 7 thousand cars. i have nothing to do with the mine, we are talking about the products that we produce myself , i will give you an example

. what does it mean if we have 100 trucks of 100 tons? he can transport this to thousands. if the number is wrong, this is according to the formula it means that a car transports two services a day. multiplying and dividing according to the working hours, one truck per day can transport 1 million tons per year, so i want to say that we need 100 trucks to load, if four or five as for example , 20,000 to 20,000 need a big shovel. let's separate it, let's separate it. you mean, you have the statistics of your ministry. you say that you object to the way of summing them up. yes , summing them up is not clear. it is not accurate. if you say according to the formula, we say, sir. want if

1000 dom tracks, the useful life of dom tracks is 10 years, at most, according to what has been said, now the specific brand means us, if there are a thousand of them. our problem is that the numbers and figures that are said are not accurate. everyone looks at it from their own point of view. now, from the numbers you said , how much of it can be produced domestically, and how much should be imported? we have a limit of the cars we produce, maximum 20% of the equivalent role. no, we are the characteristic range of the ministry of industry, now he is saying that i will put a car in front of him that can be mass-produced to meet the needs of the country.

what should he do if he doesn't allow me to come and claim that i am building such and such a car ? no, there is no such thing. this is the main point to be careful. for example, it is so worn out and the mines are lying dormant because of this . the numbers are not correct. what do you think? how much do you think the numbers are correct ? let this statistic be a precise amount let me tell you more, so you think it is not accurate. i will try to say it correctly, the volume of our mining operations in the country per year is currently one billion and 500 million tons, of this amount

, about 600 million of the rest of the mineral tension is void, and the operation should be carried out. because in your talks, the discussion is about cost reduction. economic decisions. look at some of our big mines, such as misr mines, sarcheshmeh, midok, sangun in tabriz, warzaga, such as chadorremlu, iron stone, gol gohar, central stone. why am i calling these as mines? big? because most of our economy is in the mining sector, almost on steel, copper and zinc, i swear. most of it forms our civil economy . in our big mines, we first

need to plan to upgrade from our current conditions to a higher level . they are working . my point is that for mines as big as egypt, which is moving deep in the source with a history of almost 40 years, we have to go to the trap of 240 pas tracks. so, how much is 136 tons now ? mines like gohar zemin, which is going deep in phase 3, gohar 3 , we definitely need heavier machines. in songun, we don't have the possibility to use a dump truck under 100 tons, so with a distinction. based on the conditions of our mines and

those that constitute the serious economy of the mining sector, first of all, there should be a separation. dear mr. aminzadeh, please see that we need to change the design of our mines in order to harvest 204 tons of trucks. let's decide to go to design it will take 5 years. at least, so it seems that we should not mix the issues together. we definitely need a shovel for a 24-ton house truck , although we need a shovel for a 136-ton truck. let's have a discussion, yes, look, when you have a truck, 204 tons of cars that want to buy, my truck

is supposed to be in the global economy, a place for export , as a basis, as a root , we must pay attention to the power of competition, the finished price, in order to achieve and make more profit. in the world markets for let's define it ourselves. if the system finds it necessary today , let's talk about cars. i will now tell you the pain of both sides. if there is time, yes, see the point here is that when i have the volume of my operation , i cannot do it because of the productions that i have to do. bring me down what they say is because of lack of knowledge.

you will see the result of this lack of waste removal in 4 or 5 years. i mean, maybe today. in parentheses, let's put it more simply , what will happen to the viewers? see that the void ratio must be implemented according to the design be it i mean, for example, in a mine , i'm giving an example, like sangun, like sangun, the ratio of waste removal is three to one, which means you let every ton of mineral material that

they work hard to improve the technology from one point to a higher point to be supported . it's natural that when damtrak 60 tons are used for the equivalent. which can be used, for mines that can use shovels and loaders , it should be approved . weaknesses should be presented to friends and they should be diligent in solving their problems so that they can act more successfully in the future and regulate their markets. i don't think that my gentlemen have a negative attitude towards what i am saying, but there is a point , i don't want to go to that promotion now, let's assume that our current conditions are 136 volume tracks

, i will talk to you right now, if we are old tracks that are in the country his life has increased a bit. the cost of its maintenance is high. it has a useful life . when it goes for maintenance, it is more than the normal norm . let's pay attention to its sleeping time. it's a lost opportunity. today's price of material withdrawal mineral is definitely less than next year. due to economic reasons, which is not available now, i will open it, so if this does not happen in time, we will fall behind, it will affect the economy , it will affect mining, and it will also affect production, so this renovation is definitely necessary, definitely necessary, but with a separate definition clearly written, thank you very much

. if a report is ready, colleagues, let's go together to see the opinions of agreement and opposition. regarding how the renovation of namegan should be done , let's see it together, let's go back and continue our conversation. 40% decrease in productivity of mines is one of the topics that it is directly related to wear and tear of mining machinery. an issue that has been approved by most miners and activists in the mining field over the past years. but how to supply these machines from domestic production or foreign markets. it is one of the most important challenges in this field, which brings supporters and opponents. mehrdad akbarian, secretary of iran iron and steel association, currently there are about 30,000 mining machines in the country, and more than 60% of them are worn out. and they work with low efficiency and high fuel consumption.

we need at least 15,000 new machines to replace them they do gholamroza naz according to the head of khorasan razavi mining house, the production of domestic mining machinery provides up to 20% of the country's needs, and there should be no restrictions on the import of mining machinery of any capacity at least for the next few years. farid dehghani, director of the mining activities investment insurance fund, our need to supply mining machines is about 15 thousand machines, and some of these machines cannot be produced domestically. and in terms of value, 80% of the country's mining production is done with machinery that is not domestically produced. abuzar jamishid vand, general manager of the machine agriculture, construction and mining tools and equipment of the ministry of samit. we can import machinery according to the country's needs, in addition to using the domestic capacity as much as it is produced. hossein ghorbani,

ceo of hebco company. hebco company proved its ability by producing and delivering 220 devices. and now the nominal capacity of the company is over 3 thousand machines , but based on the conditions we have , we are still far from the nominal capacity. seyyed mohammad mousavi, deputy minister of mining industry and trade, the production of all kinds of anat machines in the country has grown by more than 18 by the end of august this year. number despite the problems and issues that production those who are involved with it show the favorable trend of machine equipment production.

respected servants, i would like to inform you that this is the direction that you have taken from the statistics of your service, that the extraction of the mine comes from here , that it is suggested to you that, as mr. sohmadi said , the volume of our mining operations is about 1 billion 500 million tons, those are the statistics that the ministry of it states that a number like 500 million tons is that mineral. if you consider the ratio of one to three that mr. engineer said , we will arrive at the same number, which is one billion and 500 million tomans, as mr. amirzadeh said. saying yourself the production goes back to a limited range of our machines above, for example, damtara, which is over 50 tons. currently, we do not have domestic production at all

, and there are no restrictions for importing it, but the problem is that in the places where we have production, sometimes imports are done, like where you assume. for example, we produce a 50-ton house truck , and mr. amirzadeh's company produces them, for example. or mining customers, you are not here , now you are saying illegal things, now, now, or you are entering, or you are, sorry, i am having a stroke , sorry, mr. mehd, it is not illegal, system collection the ministry of position has actually reached this conclusion because of the many demands that exist for each one.

we don't bring a large market of machines with different names from different factories in the country, and then we get stuck in the supply of its parts. here, in fact , we create a graveyard of worn out, ineffective machines, which the country has actually destroyed in a way . the issue is that now, in the fields where they are producing, many times the miners are not going to the producers to buy their machines. because of the charms that sometimes exist for some equivalents what is the appeal of importing, for example, look at the discussion, you

are currently importing the state of the car , as mr. amirzadeh said, mostly it has a device over 5 years old, it is imported, it is illegal, it is very illegal, it looks legal, it is imported , the documents of one car are transferred to another car. yes, and this car is coming in. the problem will be solved from here, that this machine will not be available in the future. no one will give them service. the important thing is that when the manufacturer produces, at least in the range he produces, they have a mine to buy from him. it is about after-sales service and support. it is a product if the imported machine does not have this possibility, but the issue of machines that have advanced technologies like 240 ton house trucks and so on, maybe this is the case. soon we will not be able to produce them in the country , but i will get a confirmation from mr. sohmadi that this will happen , that is, for example, instead of going to import cars

, we will wait for their presence for up to 5 years , for example, someone will come and import a car 10 years ago. enter it last year. you saw it. you can see that this is a violation. this is not a system violation. it means that the system like this allows the idea of ​​the ministry. it is illegal. now, if there is, you are violating it. sometimes there is a possibility that some people are violating it. this is another discussion, but the collection of the collection does not actually confirm such a thing because it is illegal. we have trucks under 50 tons, which we have, and sometimes some manufacturers have even started to produce shovels under 40 tons.

how can we support it? for example, now, at least , it is the position of the position, for example, now it says, sir, i have banned the import of your car over 5 years old. as he is entering, he says, "sir

, buy one inside, go and bring one inside." that is, we bought scrap iron and brought it, so let's face it, they can say, sir, that a car that is produced domestically, yes, the shortage will be imported, according to the license , it will come one by one, but it will not be second hand. this is one of the aids to the production. there is no reason to come, cars

, cars are not expensive to say, sir, this is not economical. right now, most of the customers are looking for new cars, why did the doctor say that if a car sleeps , a truck sleeps, it costs $40 an hour, every car sleeps for an hour , it is a loss in business, but we will go. hey, why? this is that they take out a series of mid-arzos , i'm not saying all of them, but such a segment bought a car worth 20,000 dollars, for example , and ripped off 20,000 pieces of metal. we have 80,000 of them, there is a document, go and see how much it is in the inspections. well, this is how the loan is issued. well, those who are attractive in this way , one is this, the other is this exit. there are certain people who

can't be approved by the ministry of home affairs to have an import license. to all the viewers and companions of this meeting, i would like to express my condolences to the people of iran question. what is the result? the result is the imposition of a series of

very low quality machines. on the shoulders of the people and the terrible price is higher than what it should be. the first topic is the number of machines needed and how many of each type of machine and each capacity we need. well , it is a very logical discussion, so your order is that now the type of support for mining machines it is like the government's support for the automobile industry in different years . i agree with this percentage, it means no , it is your order, it means that even now domestic civil machinery is expensive and the quality is not good for you , you can see the result in the market. you would have understood exactly when one of my loved ones said that the attractiveness of imports does not mean the attractiveness of imports. sir , if a domestic car is the answer to my efficiency , there is no reason to buy a 10-15-year-old car.

produced in the last year or previous years, well, we only have one production company, now in the country, 600 loaders with a capacity of 600 loaders. how many produced and at what price is it being sold ? why is it that i have a stone mine ? for example, i need 5 loaders of 600. i have to go to dubai to buy the machine. i will bring money here.