the economics desk and my colleague , mr. hosseini, please say hello to you, mrs. hosseinzadeh, and hello to the dear and respected viewers of today's program , our economics desk is very hot, and it will be very popular, the discussion of the opponents and supporters of online drug sales, which i have been talking about for some time now. it is hot in today's news circles. we want to address this issue because our time is coming to an end on channel 1. at this moment , you can see the discussion of the economic table on khabar channel. we have a video back and forth and we are at your service.

well, it was in july of last year that the regulation of support it was approved by the board of ministers regarding the production of knowledge-based and job creation in the field of health, which was part of this regulation that the ministry of health , in cooperation with the ministry of communications, is required to provide the operationalization of drug explanation through platforms and internet businesses. now, a year and a half after the approval of this regulation, the recipe has not yet been officially announced, and there are various arguments among the supporters and opponents of the internet sale of drugs . it costs and on the other hand opponents say that the delivery of the drug to

the end user's hands, if the delivery process of the drug is not monitored , can lead to dangers for the people, that's why today we are talking about the sale of drugs on the internet. i would like to introduce our guests , i am also an expert in the online sale of drugs in the studio of mr. hamed hoshiaran. as for agreeing and opposing, in fact, mr. fatemi is a great advisor of the association of pharmacists who are present in the isfahan studio. in fact , he is an expert in favor of mr. amin dovalit, who you see, and an expert. the opponent of this online sales plan is darum mehboob makeup, which we are serving by phone. let's go to the opponents first, and that is mr. fatemi, who i just said

is in the isfahan studio. mr. fatemi , hello, greetings to you in the name of god. well, mr. fatemi, now before we go into the discussion , i wanted to start from the beginning. and opposition has been encountered is. mr. shahram kalantari, the head of the iranian pharmacists association, according to the express law of the law, online sale of drugs to the final consumer is prohibited. however, some economic institutions have passed the government board's approval of the ban on the entry of drug sales platforms. while this work is against upstream laws and national data and information management law and the possibility of abuse.

it follows patients' information, such as what happened in one of the food ordering platforms in recent days. mr. mahmoud fazel, chairman of the supreme council of the medical system of the country. the law of electronic commerce of drugs from entering the platforms the internet is expressly prohibited. while the current way of internet platforms has ignored these rules. in the process of medication, from production to consumption, it should be accompanied by careful monitoring for people's health. and the safety of patients is not compromised. in addition , the relationship between the patient and the pharmacist is very serious and emphasizes the high status of human subjects and the role of verbal, scientific and emotional communication. but in the online sales process, the pharmacist is removed from this process as one of the important pillars of the health system. mr. masoud sharifi, an expert in the field of medicine, according to the decree of june 1401 of the board of ministers of the ministry of health. obliged

within 6 months to prevent the monopoly of online distribution of medicine. for this reason, the regulatory bodies are pursuing the realization of this important and more important reason, which is the action of the ministry of health, but the ministry of health and the request of the food and drug organization of the pharmacists association started a heavy volume against the pursuing bodies, while this action can be an important step in digital transformation and serving citizens in the field of health. mr. mehdi yusufzadeh, advisor to the deputy government of the parliament of the ministry of communications. explaining drugs through internet platforms is not a new issue in the world and in iran. in the era of corona it was recognized and last year the government board had a resolution based on which it was decided that the ministry of health should include the needs and challenges such as the security of user information, the way of explanation and access in the regulation that

is being drafted. the majority of drug governance will be formed in the government , which, in addition to improving people's access, can lead to the quality of services and cause more control. to have data and explanation in the flow. morteza azani, radio and television news agency. well , thank you to mr. azani and ms. kargar for preparing this report. mr. fatemi, this short report you saw. what is the reason for the opposition of the association of pharmacists to the plan to sell drugs online? see, what i wanted to correct is that the association of iranian pharmacists, the ministry of health, the organization. the internet is against it, otherwise in many countries of the world , american european countries, even asian countries, the sale of pharmacy items, some autistic drugs , drugs that do not require a prescription

, is done. what happened is that we are the example of leading asian countries, for example , south korea, japan. even if it is china the model that is being implemented in our country today by some platforms is a completely unique and unique method that creates many corruptions, so the medical system organization and the ministry of health, the association of pharmacists, which are the three main members of the diagnostic commissions the authority of article 20 of the law is to give permission for ablution and supply of medicine . they are against this method, otherwise if we have a law , because now it is the same as in the past. according to article 6 of the e-commerce law, the sale of drugs to the final consumer is explicitly prohibited in our country, and the sale of drugs was free for only 21 months. he is apologizing during the corona period

. i had your reply, mr. hoshar, regarding your opinion about this plan. he said that the way it is sold is problematic. i would like to say hello first. i offer my courtesy and respect to you, mr. fatemi and all dear viewers . i am grateful for the very balanced and unbiased report that was presented . the keyword is tempting the platform's activities to the point that they are doing something illegal , their documentation is the same as article 6 there is and then as a result, they say that because we are preventing an illegal activity, that is why what we are doing is right and logical, while basically the nature of activity of active platforms

is not active platforms of online drug sales. now you look at what happens on the platforms, the moment the patient goes to the doctor, a prescription is prescribed for him, the prescription is sent to darokhon through the platform. it is presented that the pharmacy packages the medicine and gives it to the logistics affairs, and in fact, the one who comes and carries the medicine until the moment the medicine is packaged, what is his role on the platform. no one has any role on the platform and basically the sale of drugs on the internet does not happen, so we want to say that this is an illegal matter. now you have a question for mr. fatemi . look, i am mr. fatemi. can you talk at the same time? yes, look, i am very surprised. i want to see how they say now that the sale of medicine does not happen, according to the documents of the ministry of health, ministry of food, all kinds of drugs, hard drugs for the fetus , controlled drugs and prescription drugs are all being sold through platforms today, and the origin of sending the goods

is also hidden, this is very strange. that is, we all we have nothing to do with clause b of article 6. based on clause 8 , if you pay attention, in this article 8, jim and dar clauses must be sent as the origin. it should be clear whether there is a pharmacy or not. has the doctor signed the invoice or not? are the prescriptions clearly signed by the responsible pharmacist . today, mr. hosseini, none of the two plans. they do not comply with these conditions in any way , they say that we are only doing delivery and moving , the order is placed through the platform portal , the money is deposited into the platform wallet account, and the goods are received from the platform representative. it is being done, there is only one place where the medicine reaches, and that medicine is not known from the ministry of health's point of view. is it a pharmacy or not? did the pharmacist supervise the packaging process that he said or not? you go to the pharmacy ,

you can see the prescription stamped on the prescription. explaining a process and saying why this does not happen? i want to go back a step back. at the beginning of the report, you mentioned a resolution that the ministry of health is obliged to do according to the regulations detailed in article 8. come with the instructions related to the explanation of the drug provide a platform. to say the persian equivalent, thank you, that's why it's been about a year and a half that this document related to the platforms has not been presented. on the other hand, the electronic commerce law, which is now the document of mr. fatemi's speech, has an article 60 , in which article 60 is mentioned by the ministry of health. you are obliged to approve a regulation regarding the storage and distribution of data related to health and medical records, and in article 79, it is said that the ministry of health should

do this with the organization during the planning period. . i have to give you this news that 17 this january marks the 20th year of this law and this regulation has not yet been approved . we believe, mr. hosseini, that this activity must be done. nozhoor must be regulated. what does regulation include? one. the ministry of health has pharmacies that are qualified. ok. these pharmacies that are qualified have access to the platforms. the platform says to work only with these pharmacies. users can be authenticated through the masterpiece system. the whole process starts from the point where the user comes to load the medicine and actually its electronic version does until the moment when the pharmacy delivers

, it can be clearly observed on the platform on the internet platforms. mr. vashan, please allow us to have a telephone connection with mr. mehboubi. mr. mehboubi , i am at your service, mr. bai, and dear listeners and viewers whom we are serving. yes, mr. mahboubi as an opposition is actually this plan . mr. mahboubi, do you have something to say, please tell me because we have heard your explanation, if i may. please, i will skip the legal cases. we have about 15 cases of legal violations in this case . i will go back to a root issue. health has expressed a clear opinion on the issue of platforms and stated that everyone in the discussion of platforms is now operating in a legal way and did not act and it is an act. therefore, each and every product

that is being sold to the people from this route until now , from my point of view as a pharmaceutical doctor and from the point of view of the ministry of health as the responsible body for supervising the product, is considered an unauthorized product for the purpose of this article . let's take another look at the law. look, our friend is discussing legal issues, our opposite opinion is from the point of view of health and maintaining people's health. we used to say the same points when the electronic version was launched let's start the electronic version so that less paper is used, people have easier access and the access situation of the people will be better. some of the platforms are coming to this electronic platform.

please type in the electronic prescription or the electronic prescription. there are people who will prescribe a prescription on your behalf for less than 10,000 tomans with the will of a national code, and this will go into the electronic platform and the medicine will be provided. has it been provided, has the government grant been granted or not , does

it create a shortage for the patient when it is removed from the system or not? it was much more limited. it would have been more controllable and the amount of harm that could have happened to the patients would have been much less , mr. mehboobi, please excuse me because i want to manage our time . let me picture this i don't disagree , i say that in this situation where the infrastructure is not available, the result will be that the drug is more than what people say. we will reach a point where we will be caught for our primary medicines and we cannot provide them for the people, the price of medicines will increase and

you will witness the emergence and spread of illegal contraband products and the loss of the safety of medicines for people and many countries in our platform. we will go to mr. fatemi who is in favor of this plan, mr. fatemi. the title is in favor of this plan, mr. dovati, what is your opinion in this regard, in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful, i am very fast i'm going to go to the content that was mentioned, the statement of the opposite is correct, but again we have to go back to our original topic, which platform we are talking about, we are talking about the platform that zeko basically created a space, a creative company, a startup. in fact, the basic knowledge set that has created a space that provides the connection between the user or the patient with the authorized service provider , whether it is the authorized service provider or the pharmacy, or the technician inside the pharmacy

who actually wants that process. finalize and confirm the platform itself, i am going to tell you as a person who has a direct relationship with the platform, he is very agreeable to take responsibility for the user communication platform, and in fact, it is a center that has the license of the ministry of health. it happens that outside of such a standard loop, there is such a standard cycle , it actually goes back to our own actions that we did not come to, in fact , let's clarify the path and regulate it. i would like to say that the segkos themselves are very welcome

the space of social networks, unknown websites and other events does not speak. which has a license , is creative and knowledge-based, and by the way, it is very welcome to communicate directly with the licensed pharmacy, exactly the technicians inside the pharmacy to the extent that we can even put all the data online to prevent any disruption in the medication process that our friend said from behind the line. let's have exactly what person inside the medicine. at what time did the house approve what version to follow up if a problem or problem occurs ? be with us as you are in favor of this plan, but mr. fatemi is opposed to this plan. mr. fatemi , what do you think about the words of mr. dovalit? yes, i

will just answer mr. hoshiarano first. in relation to the distribution of medicine , there is a definition of medicine in iran and in the world, which means the transfer of the medicine from the supply of materials to the importing company , the distribution company, to the pharmacy , the delivery of the medicine to the patient, the supply of the medicine, the distribution of the pharmacy, the interpretation they are presenting, the interpretation they are presenting they do the opposite what the vice president of the republic has announced is the legal vice president. see, this medical semester has taken place in the district. the legislative authority should provide the details three times.

if we ask mr. fatemi himself , i would be grateful. yes, mr. fatemi, you must see the picture . we have a normative hierarchy. in our country, the constitution is at the top, let's go one step lower. in fact, the general policies announced by the supreme leader are the laws of the parliament, each of which is in they are at the same length and they are not supposed to be compared to each other. what we are talking about now is the word explanation in this approved letter. used ministers.

after the constitution, we have the policies announced by the supreme leader. there, the ministry of health is entrusted with the responsibility of health care. yes, yes, now the deregulation board of the cabinet of ministers is implementing resolutions that

are against the opinion of the ministry of health. you see, the ministry of health is in charge of drug safety and people's safe access to medicine, not the ministry, not the legal assistant of the president. ministry of economy, so this principle is flawed, we now have the law on government punishments for health affairs and it was violated in 1967, how do you keep silent regarding the violation of the laws and the violation of the executive policies of the leadership? there is an advisory of the legal department, we have health notification policies, we have laws , let me answer you. they say that the law has been violated. we have an institution as an institution . if this

resolution is against the law, our authorities, the authorities foreseen in our country to cancel that illegal resolution, why this action has not been taken so far, this one or two of you is the authority that came to approve it, it is the authority that should present the interpretation, not us. let's say there is a technical issue, the authority that approved this has a legal deputy, legal deputy not once he has stated three times that the meaning of the explanation is to deliver the medicine to the user, mr. fatemi, you interpret the law with the parliament . yes, the interpretation of the law is based on the law with the parliament and the guardian council.

please see the letter with the parliament. our ministry of health should use the medical terms in its relations with the board of ministers in its relations with the government board in its ministry of health . where in the world is there a difference between the explanation of the medicine that is done by the broadcasting companies and the supply of the medicine that is inside the medicine? home and hospital by the pharmacist to the patient they are given, they know, mr. fatemi, you are in the process of approving a by-law, you are in the process of approving a by-law

, what is the administrative authority of the ministry of health? one of these cases is that if a regulation is against our law, the administrative court of the general board will review it and invalidate that order. now the ministry of health is writing a regulation on the internet of medicine to make it completely clear . i participated in its committee to explain drug distribution is a separate issue in all countries of the world. we came in 1400 with the coordination of the ministry. health in shahid university passed the plan . 2300 articles were reviewed. 29 countries did not mention the name of the platform in the rules . it was only in china that it was explicitly forbidden to write about the entry of the platform into the discussion of drug supply and sale. it is very interesting . what is the reason for all our government approvals? it was 1401, what was this year, september 1402, the deregulation board

wrote three clauses in all three clauses, the name of the platform or platform has come , which means that all of us are sad now , sir, there is no program to discuss the sale of drugs online, i will introduce the platform, because i am a platform, let's speak farsi, don't worry now our government's support for online sales platforms is not discussed at all internet sales are not discussed, the issue of internet sales is in all poplines, that is, the direct line of communication between the pharmacy of dr. it stands , it has not been violated , it has not been revoked. this is a matter of placing the responsibility on the ministry of health as the custodian of the country's health system based on paragraph 71 of the notified policies .

if what is happening in the space of the sekkohs is not the sale of drugs on the internet, i am sorry to say that you always have this issue, in fact, when you want to come to criticize the work of the platforms, it talks about the internet sales that happened on social networks , but in regarding the platforms, no document has been provided. it is very famous .

a very famous system that you can't name. i have researched until today what you are saying, the documentation that is being broadcast on social networks is not what is on that platform. if it has happened, otherwise , please allow the monitoring devices to send our address, because we have two other people as for and against , there is another question from here. it is clear what should happen in the platforms and our laws prescribe it now. basically , it is not a sale, what

is defined is a purchase of medicine

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