whether the government should make its assets productive or not, and if it wants to do this , in what way, with this very short introduction, i invite you to follow this discussion if you are interested , watch us on the news network. thank you. the importance of elections in choosing a a strong parliament is the key, it is in the hands of the people, an iranian coach , the honor of iran, he pays his insurance according to what he does , discovers the hijab, is identified intelligently , i don't agree with any kind of treatment, we don't agree with any kind of treatment, wherever we are today.

especially for the election program, you are the leader in the recent meetings, the real competition is one of them the important elements of the election means that the field is open for the presence of different political, economic and cultural views and ideas so that everyone can participate in the big election contest and a competition. make it big and real. one of the topics that, as i told you, that experts , relevant officials and experts have different opinions on, is the method and basically the production of government assets , which we want to address in today's special higher program. thank you very much for being with us. hello, well , you are a special companion of the higher program here in our studio, mr. midari. economic expert as well

mr. parbanzadeh, another economic expert of the program , is present and we want to talk to each other , have a debate, before we start our discussion, i invite you to see the report that our colleagues are preparing together , let's come back and start the conversation, mr. sobhani, the economic expert of the economic revolution which was talked about during privatization, now it has led to dissatisfaction in a country where more than 60 million people receive subsidies and issues. how much money do these people have to buy surplus government assets? definitely, the buyers of these assets are a collection of they are non-governmental organizations. mr. shakri is an economic expert in generating assets. we apply the rules of the private sector to the government's assets to make better use of them. asset generation does not simply mean selling government assets. governments with generators.

they get more cash flow from national assets and spend it in the budgets. mr. raghofer, an economic expert, in the past, many criticized and objected to the privatization plans, but there was no hearing, and even today, the plans to generate government assets are far beyond the previous privatization methods and announced financial bankruptcy is common. mr. shojaei, an economic expert. self-production is right, but it should be spent in the right place. we can use the income from productivity in the national development fund. this means looking to the future. the word productivity means utilization of resources. mr. momeni, an economic expert, in the last 3 decades, 20 billion dollars of the intergenerational wealth of the iranian people was wasted through privatization. now, instead of compensating for the losses

of the past years , we are witnessing the deterioration of the situation through a decree called "productivity" , there is nothing left of the productive assets of the country, and the government is thinking it is their sale that is not logical, and mr. gurbanzadeh , the former head of the privatization organization , says that when you freeze government assets , you have practically frozen part of the country's assets. well, we saw my colleague's report together. it was an overview of the opinions of the supporters and opponents of the issue that we are serving you today. let me start with mr. midari and the main question of your program is whether you agree with productivity or not. al-rahman al- rahim, greetings to the dear viewers, mr. dr. gurbanzad and my excellency, if i want to be very brief let me tell you that with the regulations that

govern in iran, production will not achieve the set goals. rather, it will cause a fundamental blow to the political system. and it causes us many social problems. in fact, the claim is based on both domestic and global experiences. in order to explain these experiences, we have to separate several fields from each other. education actually wants to be done, one is in the field of factories , the other is in the fields of land and immovable assets , which, like our warehouses, should be removed from these fields. let's separate each other and each of them has its own rules. regarding the jad factory, which is a very important issue because it is tied to employment and production, the world experience

shows that countries that move towards removing obstacles to private sector production without becoming state enterprises. give up they grow the private sector at a faster rate, but the countries that handed over state-owned enterprises , as we had scattered experiences from the mid-1900s to the 1970s, these enterprises face a drop in production and productivity for several reasons, for example. successful privatization, i apologize for the growth of the sector privatization without privatization of chinese country. he did not give up any government company, he moved ahead with the production obstacles with a private sector, the private sector quickly increased its share from 20% of the economy to more than 80%, but countries such as eastern europe of the former soviet union, which

are moving towards privatization, not only with a decrease they faced more production but also more political corruption and therefore the cause. it is very clear that the reason is that the factories created by the government are basically not suitable for private sector ownership, because the location of these companies is based on your political discretion created in iran full of petrochemicals and you have steels, which was created due to the pressure of parliamentarians, not based on the expertise of the low-exploitation area . when the private sector takes over, it starts lobbying so that it can change foreign trade and actually change the environment so that it can actually manage inefficient factories and this

creates more problems. after some time, all the buildings that we handed over to the private sector were confiscated again. in khuzestan, we handed it over , that's why since 1380 we didn't hand over the government companies to the private sector anymore, we came to kia, we gave it to the pension fund and the social security organization. this global experience shows that in the field of industry, we shouldn't basically go towards the sale of government factories, but instead come to the obstacles. let's create competition for the benefit of the private sector in the economy. now , let's keep it to this point, because you mentioned two or three sectors, mr. gurbanzadeh. what do you think about the industry sector that mr. midari mentioned, in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful ? i also say hello to all the viewers. dear and respected mr. dr. midari and his excellency your colleagues, well, there has been a lot

of talk about this issue, and i have actually spoken in different circles. i will actually leave my own speech. now, if there is a discussion , i would like to make an introduction . i want to find out what is the difference between the production of immovable property and the privatization of companies and economic enterprises . they are overlapping. i understand from what mr. midari said that mr. midari mixes these things together a lot. they know, and in some places, they may actually believe that they have a similar relationship, because

they judge the fate of both in almost the same way. in this sense, i believe that financial assets are actually one of fixed assets and other assets. there are differences in terms of the type of policy, the land and the company, the company must be focused on the profitable future, the company has workers , our company is fast. therefore, it is different, of course, which is necessary somewhere in policy making. be careful, because after all, property is property. i think on this point, no

one actually disagrees that productivity is the general meaning is that we say that an asset should be used better, it should be used better, no one can deny this at all, because it is one of the absolute principles of logic that they say, sir, don't you have an asset , use it better now, it may be better to sell it or not, and there are various forms about property. now the discussion is that the government that has all these assets and land is the government in the sense of its uncle, which naturally means the government of the banks, in fact, the ministry of housing, institutions , organizations, etc., but, god willing , they have immovable assets and they are not using them properly, either they are abandoned or in in fact, the use of it is actually misplaced or is it that no one has fundamentally considered whether or not this property belongs to the government or not, that is , there is a dispute regarding the property of the nobles

, which the government does not know what it has in this open field, the government, in the sense of his uncle, in the past years. undoubtedly, in the field of production, we must first give this testimony. first , do we agree that it should be used better , which i think is a logical principle . regarding the privatization of the place of discussion , we may hear about it for or against does this experience of handing over a company mean the priority of liberalization over the actual sale of the company and the privatization of the experience of china and other countries? i believe that definitely in the field of immovable property, there is no doubt that this method should be used better. from handing over to the public and actually leveraging for half-finished

construction projects and other examples that are likely to come up in the discussion, this is certainly appropriate and there is less to be said about this forgiveness, mr. midari, do you think you agree? that production is in this way that mr. ghorbanzadeh says, i actually if i want to express my opinion very clearly, it is that with the regulations we have, the regulations related to the sale of our assets will not be productive. why? first of all, whether you agree with the principle of productivity or not , the question is whether the existing policies lead to productivity or not? someone who can't be against productivity, i say that this policy that has been adopted by the government will not lead to the productivity of frozen assets. why now? why? on the contrary, it hurts the government. you see, we

are not the first country where the government wants to sell its surplus land. perhaps the most country in the world arazazi was sold by the american government because a group of immigrants left and took lands that were not inhabited by humans or were originally inhabited by red-skins and wanted to hand them over. there are 3 different ways of doing this , in relation to radio waves, which are very important in today's world. this is an asset created by the government, which allows you to use radio frequencies for the internet of private radio and television. in that country, there were 3 methods. in iran, there is this method. the method is that they measure the eligibility first. they say that in fact who can use this property or whoever comes and offers the highest price

, they will give it to him. this method is because discovering the price is a very complicated process, usually in america where there were many experts , later it became clear that the assets were being sold for a fortieth of the price and it questioned the political system so much that they chose the lottery. what does that mean, the government said that i can't choose, i put a price , and sometimes tens of thousands of people participate in this auction, and like the lotteries you saw, i don't know, now it's the way that one person gets it. he puts it in a basket and picks up a number . why do they say that because we don't know the price of your land in tehran ?

let me open the argument, one that the price of this asset depends on the different plans that are placed next to that plan, and when it is sold at a low price , what happened in america, which i have a photo of now, i can show you, you can see that part of the land in in the middle of the city, this kind of racket remains , they buy it because this property is cheap it has been sold, they say that it will have a higher price in the future, that's why the american government commissioned several economists in the last 6 years, out of which 3 won the nobel prize. these are the auction methods that exist in iran now. in fact, we once imitated those countries , they have changed, this method has not yet been introduced in iran. you see, i myself

was responsible for at least 6 years in the process of handing over the assets of the national retirement fund social security organization, but we used any method. we saw that in the end we are accused and this accusation can be spread expert means to say that this price is not the real price. what are you doing in the us government that has spread in many countries after this? the method of using recurring auctions means what is the recurring auction? its simplified form is like the auctions you see on tv. you saw, for example, in the movies. they say, sir, how much is this land cut, they collect everyone , they say how much, one says, for example, 10 billion, another says, i have 11 billion, but it is not easy to do in the government agencies , what are they doing? it is actually announced by the government he says he didn't see less than this, then whoever offered at a higher price, they say this is the first round, they say the highest

price that was discovered, for example, 15 billion tomans, then everyone bought. they collect the owners. in some cases, the case is repeated 120 times in two weeks until the highest price is discovered. basically, we do not have these regulations in iran, which means that you are not allowed to do this. therefore, if a land is sold, a school is sold. they are selling it at a low price, and because the person who buys it at a low price does not produce it, he says, "i have this land for 20 years." other it gets 10 times the price. you just transferred an asset from the government to the private sector, but it is not productive, and because after a while it becomes clear that this price is not the real price, because the method does not lead to the real price, the government is accused of corruption and it affects the social capital of the society. mr. ghorbanzadeh, how much do you agree with

the point that mr. midari, you are giving orders to me? i have two or three orders from you and the doctor to proceed like this . i first said that we agree to the principle, that is, two people who want to start from somewhere to discuss, for example they say a religious debate, sir, you accept god , then let's come to the prophet, then let's all come, if you start from the end, don't we, sir, that your unity says something, then let's go. you have. here, it is better to use the government's property, there is no doubt about it, mr. doctor, if i do something anywhere , you can enter, because we will allow you to proceed with the order, please. one goes

to sleep, the other says, this can also lead to an accident you can't see that we are saying that we have a regulation , but in fact, there is no doubt that we have a regulation that does not allow us to reach that goal . which is sold cheaply and later, in fact, i am saying here that, well , let's tolerate this for now as a box about it. you say that because we have regulations regarding price and sales, the types of products you mentioned are allowed, for example, in other countries, like the one you didn't sell in mudahed, but that's it. do you mean that it is repeated or other issues do not allow such a thing, so we don't have the dynamic to be able

to sell the asset at the real price and then let it play its role in the real part of the economy ? as an economist, i must have learned that the exchange value is the ultimate utility of that product for the consumer. let's multiply and divide the amount of work and capital that has been spent, and say that, sir, this iron rod is this much , in this order. because in fact, not all people have access to it, etc. if we assume, for example, a market like the stock market, or in fact any market where there is naturally this competition and transparency, and this asset goes, it will be discussed. it can be discussed, the coordinates will be presented, it will be clear that this is an apartment with a thousand meters of land, is it a complex, or any other complex, as you said, elites should

be found around it, and so on. it is considered the real price of that asset , we cannot say cheap or expensive there because they are cheap at all. and being expensive is another word that when you opened the door completely, you said, sir , i will sell at the highest price, it is meaningless . you said that the type of policy is possible , as it is now in years, we have reached this stage where the biggest criteria of the government, banks, etc. and he feels that if i keep this asset, then i go to renew the land or some other problem, it will give me more capital or give me more value in financial terms, why should i do this, so he goes to find out that this he keeps it and he is actually proud of it look, if i had sold this

, it wouldn't have happened like this. he said, "you should be proud to know that i don't eat. you should do a hundred things that i am a slave. by the way, you are the one who keeps and freezes and freezes the property." the huge problems that the government and so on have caused this cycle, one of which is the housing issue, which is known to be a category in our economy and what is the demand for it, and another part of it is that i believe even the monetary and banking system of rome is affected. kurd means that this is a freeze that has damaged the entire economy of iran and we are proud to be in the government position. you see, sir, if this was sold, then the same thing has caused the person who does not have a single rial of fixed assets, on the other hand, these assets are frozen in the same way, this inequality is actually increasing, so if the price of mr. dr. midari, we believe that it does not work

, apart from these three methods that you mentioned, there may be dozens of other methods. do we finally believe that if there is transparency and competition , the real price will be discovered in this way? there is a note that some of these assets are assets that are hectares of assets. there are people who are all they don't have enough of this, mr. sobhani 's statement that was written here, that everyone should participate , it is clear that after all, it is a non-governmental public organization or a private group, that in fact there is at least competition, and for them, too, it is necessary to plan to change the allocation method. the kurdish independent real estate fund put a ceiling on it and arranged for it to be handed over in such a way that such a monopoly would not be created. who has acres of land, his children

are sleeping in cartoons, they say, sir, how old do you want to be? we who have reached 40 years, 50 years, 60 years , how long do you want to keep this for ? you should stop for a while and give the order to mr. midari , mr. midari . in 2002, the question is, now that we are sitting here, do iran's regulations allow us to find out the fair price? my answer is that it doesn't , so when they want an auction, it can't guide us to the right price , so now we have what we are selling. we sell at a cheap price and this is cheap selling does not lead to productivity , there is a wrong explanation of income in the society. you see, a group of economists say that there is no problem, sir, why do they say that we should draw a lottery? how many years later will you say, right now, right now

, when it is repeated in iran, which we do not have permission to do, it is repeated now that it is actually announced in the commodity exchange two weeks before we offer this property, a 100-meter apartment in tehran. he wants to sell it, everyone , go see this 100-meter apartment, its coordinates this is the plan . it is possible to visit this week. they will go and see. it will be announced on the radio and television . it will be announced anywhere after that day . it gives a price, of course, based on the price that will be sold at the highest price that day. why do we call it cheap? you see , the reason is that if you say an apartment, it is correct , but melli bank wants to sell some of its branches . these branches are a problem at all. in fact, when i chose this method in america, i had to think about an asset , for example, something around 40,400 million dollars.

it was sold for 7 billion dollars , that is the difference, why we faced it ourselves in iran , we wanted to sell a hotel in south khorasan province . if you only sell this hotel, i am not a buyer, but if you have hotels in 5 parts of iran, i will buy them at much higher prices. why did you say that i want to bring a tourist chain in iran , so if i can create a chain, the price of these assets will be very different, you are bidding now. the ones that are being sold are being sold one by one . the chain is very different. all of our assets are not like selling an apartment. many of the assets that the government is selling are unique in iran. for example, you want

to sell a hotel. we have this hotel in iran that wants to be sold. you want to sell tea warehouses or wheat silos. the silos are actually being auctioned individually. this is not the real price. in order for this price to be real, the stock exchange can't do anything, see that it is 125 in america how do you repeat the auction? they say that someone said 10. he takes an envelope again. they say that more information was exchanged between the first and second envelopes until the 120th. you see, the secret is that this property, for example, you want to sell a school in the 3rd district of tehran, where the most privatizations are taking place. it is really a unique property at all. it's not like this , for example, you can come and say, yes, a 120-meter apartment , the price is known in almost every area of ​​tehran, but

the price of 5,000 meters of land in venk square is not known at all, that is, in order to find out the price, it is now an auction. it is not possible for us to do this, i say because we do not have repeated auctions, and the point i said and i emphasize is that these assets are complementary to each other, and this is a very important point that i had in my experience and it exists in these auctions. for example, in other places that have been discussed, i used to bring auction ads. it says, for example, this property is sold to those who actually have rights here, and the buyer is responsible for its settlement. you don't know what you are buying. for example, the corruption that they say is worse than sugar has happened. this is the other party who bought it for 12 billion tomans. there was a debt of the social security organization of 200 billion tomans. we were in the dana insurance company , then we had an asset on a piece of land in shahid babaei, and we started selling two public institutions.

another non-government coming to say that this is mane's property and having all three documents means that you have many legal problems , that's why when we go into the handover process, so many problems arise for the government that it really prevents the government from doing the basic work that you say. actually, the point is mr. doctor says, "sir, i have this property, what should i do?" my answer is this: you have a slow movement over the years, you had assets in iran for sale. it is not the first time that the company that wants to buy schools and hand them over to places where the population has been evacuated, the banks are slowly selling them, but the government of mr. raisi wanted to speed up somewhere , this speed is burning the government, which means that you should have a slow movement of handing over. that he can have the capacity of an expert and go to his legal fields to provide these.