the importance of elections in electing a strong parliament is in the hands of the people, the iranian coach sharaf iran is playing with the width of the country. according to what he does, he pays his insurance, he discovers , he is surprised, he is identified in an intelligent way . in the name of god, greetings

, courtesy, respect, and service to you, each and every one of you, dear and respected viewers, especially for the higher leadership program, in the recent meetings, they themselves called the real competition one of the important elements of the election, in the sense that the field for the presence of various political , economic and cultural tendencies and viewpoints should be open so that everyone can participate in the big election contest with these different viewpoints. and form a real competition . one of the issues on which experts have a lot of disagreement is the use of new water resources , especially the use of deep water resources . stay on top of our program. well, in our tonight's special program

, mr. sharifi, the head of the scientific association for dealing with drought and aging, is present, as well as mrs. zahraei, the secretary. mr. vaezhi and mr. balorchi will be added to the national working group for adapting to water scarcity. also , greetings to all the guests of the program, i would like to start with ms. zahraei and the main question of the program is whether we should produce and use new water sources or not? yes, greetings and respect to you and dear viewers, of course. water exploration is a very important issue and the exploitation of new water sources has always been one of the important activities of the government, especially the water sector, but the issue that exists is that we are exploiting surface and underground water sources of various water sources that have been used so far with many projects. we could not provide for the cost.

let's manage these water resources and reduce water tensions, but you can see that as time goes by, despite the fact that various water extraction plans are being implemented , water tensions are still intensifying, this shows that the program the new water supply will not necessarily succeed in compensating our water shortage problem due to various reasons , which we will talk about during the program, god willing. kurd deep water is obviously a very strategic source of water, which is why we think that now is not the time to exploit it. thank you, mr. sharifi. what do you think ? allow me to thank you and say hello to all my dear compatriots . i wish you good health and good days. anyway , the water debate is one of the very important debates that

the preservation of this water in terms of quantity and quality is important for our country. we are a dry and semi-arid country , we rely on water and irrigation, and if we want to preserve our independence, god willing, we must improve the water we have. but the discussion is about what we can do, what measures we can take so that, god willing, the livelihood of the people will improve, the independence of the country will improve, and the self-sufficiency of the country will improve, implicitly, that the basic resources after all, the ways that exist are well-known ways. after all, increasing the water efficiency that exists is definitely a priority

. preventing waste should definitely be a priority. look at our land, which, alhamdulillah , is in very good condition. we have four seasons. in fact , there are very good conditions in the country. today, as we sit here, some parts of our country are snowing and some parts are hot, so we must use both conditions. in this regard, if we don't have water , first our drinking will suffer, then our industry , now. we believe that agriculture is the next step that your country has a sea in its south, there is a sea under the bed of our country, under the alluviums , god has given us many blessings, we must first know our capacity, use it at least or not, the next issue is to prevent its pollution

, prevent its waste it was expedient to use it, in my opinion, somewhere like sistan baluchistan. strategic water means the water that we use now, we agree to use it wherever it is needed, our security, our people's livelihood , people's drinking water, after all, there is no reason to have a source that is renewable and not use it. well, mr. balurchi, what do you think? in the name of god, i am at your service and the dear people of my country. hello. i would like to say good night and i am happy for this opportunity that has been given to us and we can talk about a very important

event . i got it with the water problem in the country. i seriously struggled with a country that, based on its several thousand years of history , has never been a country with a lot of water, but it has been a civilization builder. the civilization of our country in an arid and semi-arid region was based on stable water sources. our ancestors knew it well. where, if necessary, build a hundred, and where, if necessary , drill a well. and where, if necessary, by digging a very modern engineering system in his time called qanat or kariz , he made it possible to live on a high plateau where the surface waters are all running away, that is, our country's development, growth and

prosperity are based on the stability of underground water resources and the connection that groundwater has with underground water has been formed , but in the last 30 years, with the development of the exploitation of alluvial underground water resources, we have practically faced a problem with 50% of the country's water needs because it is connected to underground water. well, one of the problems that this problem has arisen due to the fact that we do not know our underground water resources very well . certainly, as professor sharifi said, it should be one of the priorities of the country to know it in all areas of the country and in the places where the country needs to exploit it. it needs to be exploited in a sustainable way and there are opportunities

that will not be possible to repeat in the future , so you obviously agree to use these deep waters. i had announced many times i have announced many times on the same radio and television that with this process of exploitation of underground water , we will subside the land, destroy the country's plains, destroy agriculture, industry and the city. they struggle with subsidence. we should stop the exploitation of alluvial underground water as soon as possible and think about identifying

the resources of our rock aquifers for the needed alternative resources . exploitation of these waters yes, thank you, we reviewed the opinions of supporters and opponents in the program, but my colleagues also have a report, but there is more to review , we will see it together , we will come back and continue the conversation. mohammad aryamesh, an expert in geophysics and a member of the university faculty, if the problem of water needed by a region is met by extracting renewable deep water, then this is a valuable action. why should the farmer be unhappy? why should people be unhappy, industry go bankrupt due to lack of water and zero water resources are untouched. the last deep water extraction

the proposed solution for quenching thirst is sistan baluchistan. although indiscriminate extraction of deep water does not lead to land subsidence like indiscriminate extraction of underground water, but with the current trend of consumption, it will not take long for these resources to deteriorate due to lack of rainfall. hamid sarkhil , a member of the faculty of the faculty of environment and an expert. environmental geophysics and exploration of water resources sometimes there is a mistake that, for example, the use of zero water leads to subsidence. subsidence is not at all for underground water and not deep water. this water is in deep formations and has no effect on it has no surface layers. harvesting zero water has no environmental issues and by the way helps the environment. majid makhdoom, member of the supreme council of environment. no legislative documentation. there is no scientific and technical knowledge about the reproducibility of deep water reserves. it seems that there is a rush among some

officials of the country to solve the water crisis in sistan baluchistan province, while this problem can be easily solved by securing the rights of the pond and desalination of oman's sea water. ali salajgah , head of environmental organization , we have no problem with drawing deep water to supply drinking water. in the discussion of waters considering that the need for drinking water is the first priority of the people of sistan baluchistan region, we do not have any problem in this area and we will certainly help to remove the possible annoyance of the people in this regard, and there is no doubt that the government is obligated in this field. mohammad darvish, environmental expert. water resources took millions of years to accumulate. therefore , replacing them is not so easy. if we do such a thing and it turns out that it is another mistake, compensation will be made. it will be very difficult and impossible to do. haratian, sed and broadcasting news agency. well,

we saw my colleague's report together. it was a review of the opinions of the supporters opponents of ms. zahra, why are you basically against using this type of water resources? see, first of all, we have to solve the problem of exploiting deep water from the problem of water shortage. let's separate sistan. now , i don't think this program is about the way to supply sistan's water because many of the discussions that were raised in the report were related to the lack of water in sistan. after all, our noble people in sistan baluchistan province are really right that even from anywhere we will bring them water and supply them with water , there is no doubt about it, that's why i am discussing this. it is not really related to the specific issue of sistan, looking at the way

the management of exploration and exploitation of deep water is deep in the country. you see, we are a country that has the best underground and surface water resources compared to many countries in the middle east, but at the same time, we are a country that in the last 40-50 years has not it is actually nourished and if we harvest it, it will be replaced. we call these renewable underground waters, and a part is actually deeper underground waters. are that from the previous periods when the rainfall was more, they were not used

in alluvium among the soil grains , and now we are digging wells we can exploit them deeply . dear viewers, don't think that when we talk about underground water , there is a lake under the surface of the earth, which we exploit by digging a well. the water is actually between the water drops and between the grains . soil in fact, it is located, so these reserves are very vulnerable to harvesting a lot of water , it is very difficult to feed these resources and the third category of container waters, which is the subject of your program today , that is, waters that are trapped between layers of rock at great depths. well, we use our underground renewable water completely every year we are removing

almost 30% of our non-renewable underground reserves, which are at lower depths than deep waters, in the last four decades. we have consumed , that is, we have consumed a third of the country's non-renewable underground water, and you all have witnessed that water tensions are increasing every day, so we do not have a very positive track record in the management of underground water resources. the ministry of energy has carried out large-scale planning , exploration and numerous statistics. he has published all this under the judgment of the scientific community the country has placed and the state of the country's underground water resources is this. now imagine that you are a body that is actually the scientific vice president and not an executive body, in charge of the exploration of submerged waters

, keeping all reports and information confidential , subject to the judgment of any part. the scientific and executive community of the country is not allowed to claim in this space that this is renewable, or to claim that its quality is good or bad, or in any way, this cannot be evaluated at all for us, and what guarantee is there where the institution in charge water does not succeed with all the planning he does we get underground water resources, which is also renewable deep water. how can we make sure that in a confidential environment, a body that is not the executive body for the exploitation of water in my country will succeed in using these resources in a sustainable way, mr. sharifi . you

agree with the renewable or non-renewable. don't see that we don't have taste opinions. see deep water, the waters that are called fossil waters are millions of years old. today, with the advancement of technology, we can easily measure the waters . some waters are the waters of this year's rain. for example, it has rained this year and we use it in a well or a spring. some waters may be 10 million years old. these are actually different in nature. today, if we want to raise the issue of renewability, compared to the age of water , well, for example, water that has a lifespan of 2000 to 300 years has a renewable period of 2000 to 3000 years. the water we have in our alluvium. in the age measurement

that we did in alborz province , we use the water that went into the water, some of them are 10,000 to 900 years old, that is, it rained 9,000 years ago. going to the depths of 100 meters and 150 meters, today we are using it. in my opinion, we should look at the discussion like this. if it is not a question of taste or a specific device, we have a series of problems. we have a series of capacities. yes. we have more load than renewable capacity in some areas. hundreds of underground waters have settled down in the plains. no device came to feed. despite the heavy investment in the water sector, we

did not do anything to feed the tables. well, we didn't do anything. we should take the same amount if. we feel that we are defamed we have underground water or we should stop it or feed it, this is a priority, but based on the information we have obtained, part of this deep water that we are discussing now is renewable water, which means that if we do not use it, it will no longer be available to us . it can be determined by testing and based on realism, there is no problem with that. but if you ask me if our priority in the country is deep water, i will definitely say that when , for example, from one cubic meter of available water, for example, we produce an average of 3.7 tons of water wheat per hectare , many of our leading farmers 13 tons

they produce this water performance gap that we have now and we must use it well. if we do this, or for example, let's say that an apple tree has an average of 15 tons per hectare . our farmer in tehran produces 200 tons per hectare. what should we do to produce first? at the same time , deep water is not the only option . we have desalinated water . we have water from aquifers and aquifers . ok, let's use it , thank you very much, mr. waezi, we have established contact with him the expert underground, mr. vaezi, what is your opinion, do you think we should use these new deep water resources in this way or do you believe that this should not happen, in the name of god, greetings

to you, guests of the program and dear compatriots , i hope that the meeting and the program will be useful. ok, let me tell you that we are fine. so that we can reconnect with mr. vaezy, ms. zahraei, could you please tell me whether you agreed with mr. sharifi's orders or not? or basically, do you have other reasons for us to oppose using these in the dish? see that we have to increase the productivity of each if we use a drop of water correctly , there is no doubt about it, it is definitely the same, but we must realize that our capacities to improve productivity are also limited. we live in a country where they are very uneducated , they are very vulnerable in terms of economic livelihood, in fact

, they have very little opportunities to invest in improving productivity. look at that exemplary farmer who can actually produce the very high productivity that mr. doctor said. it makes a significant investment and uses current knowledge. this capacity is not available everywhere, so we really shouldn't we will make the mistake of setting very ideal goals for agriculture, unless we actually have a serious transformation in the fabric of our agricultural society, which does not seem to have a very specific plan for this, but in the field of actually exploiting my deep water is really questionable. from mr. dr. from mr. dr. balurchi , from friends who are in charge of this exploitation of deep water

, what is the reason for the confidentiality of the documents related to the exploration of deep water? officials to actually solve there is a problem of water supply in sistan and i think this opinion is really correct. yes, i will read this year's news just for your service. 41 wells. the total population of sistan baluchistan is 2 million people. if i am not mistaken, it means that the province is not very densely populated . we dug 41 wells in zahedan region this year , in order to supply water to zahedan city , we dug another 74 wells. to provide other settlements in sistan , we initiated a huge water transfer project from the east of sistan baluchistan province to sistan and zahidano , 270 km. in fact, the water transfer system has several

pumping stations plus desalination along its route. with a capacity of 100,000 cubic meters, the water transfer projects of the omani sea and desalination for the north of sistan are being implemented. the announcement from the water resources management company is that 100 thousand billion tomans, that is, 100 billion tomans , has been budgeted for this issue. my question to mr. doctor is that if these other plans are implemented, will we stop the operation of the container wells? and one more thing, mr. doctor said that if we don't exploit our renewable deep water, it will be lost. now it is not bad to explain how the water is lost where does this water go, based on the discoveries that have been made, that it is lost? well, these three questions that you asked and we will get the answers from mr. sharifee, i would like to say that the question that the doctor actually

asked, based on the information that i have, is regrettable. after 40 years since the glorious islamic revolution, in sistan baluchistan, 900 of our villages are still supplied with water by tankers, so it is natural for the government to invest, there is no other solution for sistan baluchistan. as the saying goes , it doesn't remove the water from the sea of ​​oman if it is going to be keyed, there is no problem with deep water if it is there it has the capacity, there is no problem if a hundred underground can be installed there, from the many floods that we have every year in the province, it is wasted, they should be used, anyway, we faced

the problems that, in any case, water from hirmand is coming from the past. it has been prevented. diplomacy in order to bring water should be on the agenda. this is for sistan baluchistan province, but the issue is that there are other questions that are confidential , which you said, yes, see. the second issue is how much information do we have now. yes , our oil reserves are in fact exposed to all people why is it confidential? because our strategic reserves of oil, gas , gold, uranium, i don't know, lithium, copper, whatever , there is no need for us to bring this information. maybe deputy.

elmi did this because he didn't want to, first of all, he didn't know what was going on, whether there was water or not , he didn't want to make an advertisement that would create unnecessary expectations, and secondly, the demands of the governor of the parliament, etc., would put pressure on the ministry of energy and the start of coordination totally direct. there has been a dispute between the ministry of energy and the organization , in fact, the ministry of energy is scientific, but the scientific vice -chancellor is responsible for the development of exploration technologies , and he has done his job well. to all the provinces , whoever talked about his water, let's remove him, this

is completely a matter and how is it, in my opinion , it was done at one point in the ministry of energy. there is also, so this second argument is my third argument that you you have asked a question about renewal . see, the difference between deep water and alluvial water is that alluvial water is in sediments, but deep water is in hard formations . australia has been using deep water since the 18th century, they use more than a thousand wells , it has been stable, the water level has not dropped , there has been no problem in africa, in a newly discovered area

, there are more than 373 billion cubic meters of deep water , how many countries are using it? they use more than 100 billion dollars of investment now and part of it by knowing these waters , investing part of it for the use of ms. zahraei, yes, you were my general manager before, this is the discussion. i was a force in the previous government, but my responsibility was mostly about managing water consumption and adapting to water scarcity.