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higher tomorrow. yes , we are at your service with the higher election debate . as i told you, we want to talk about the supporters and opponents and their views regarding the sale of cars on the commodity exchange . bekne salah, on the other hand, some other people raise the accumulated losses of car manufacturers and the supply of cars in the stock market is a necessary thing to be with the special higher program to see what the opponents and supporters say. former representative i am present in the 9th round of parliament and the former chairman of the realization and distinction committee from car manufacturers. also, mr. darabi , an expert in the capital market of the stock market, whom

we serve, we will have a discussion, but before we start the debate with these two dear people , i invite the report that my colleagues wrote. sada and sime news agency, let's see the preparation together, let's go back and start the debate. hassan elhari, the general manager of metal and mineral goods monitoring organization, supports the increase in car prices in coordination with the market regulation headquarters, so the sale of cars in the commodity exchange should be prevented. there are no products like cars because the car has special conditions and the rules and regulations of the stock exchange do not allow such products to be offered. mohammad seyed noorani, chairman of the council of the national competition center , any value of the car in the stock market is considered a violation and anti-competitive and leads to legal prosecution through

the regulatory authorities and judgmental we believe that offering cars in the stock market and selling cars at prices satisfactory to consumers can, on the one hand, increase production and improve the quality of cars, and on the other hand , car manufacturers can produce more and better quality cars with these sales, and consumers can also. buy a car at a lower price than javad falah, director of physical market development of the commodity exchange, one of the benefits of offering cars on the commodity exchange is to discover the price based on the supply and demand system in a transparent platform, in a situation where the car price discovery mechanism is not transparent today. hamed soltaninejad, the former ceo of the commodity exchange it is a competition that allows different activists to compete in it and does not play a role in pricing. the sale of cars in the commodity exchange

is about 4,000 billion tomans in favor of the buyers. the government gets about 540 billion tomans from this sale. he has earned taxes. well, it was a review of the opinions of mr. alilou's supporters and opponents are you in favor of selling cars on the commodity exchange or not? first of all, i would like to say a greeting to your honorable colleagues and all my dear viewers and listeners . first , because of the fact that it was announced in the same report that you had, we have heard many times from the person's mouth that it is illegal to say that the sale of cars in bers is an illegal matter

. the house is very diligent in insisting on this. two others conventional we do not have any country in the world that wants a person. he wants to buy a car for himself , for his family, to register in the stock market, to enter the commodity exchange, for example, in those processes , we have such three markets , we close the competition in the same way. there is a supply, there is a demand,

there is a market. there is a relationship that you just mentioned in your speech in the introduction of the program between the accumulated losses of car manufacturers and the necessity of offering cars on the stock market. i will explain it in the next explanation , that's enough if i have other reasons so far now you want to get the answer from mr. dardi, until this point, mr. darawi , do you agree or oppose, in the name of god, i greet you and dear viewers. yes, we naturally agree, because the wise leader of the revolution this year had a mission to curb inflation and increase production. last year, for a short period of time, we made nearly 7% of the car manufacturers' production. we offered , how were the prices last year, in one case in shahin car , even we didn't have demand for 4 thousand units, the price was 344,34 million tomans

. today, how much is that price, 605 million tomans? all the cars that last year without competition without any problems were traded on the commodity exchange for a short period of time, today between approximately 60 and 12. we did not allow the transparent system of the commodity exchange to be replaced by a broker. 68,000 devices were sold, and those 68,000 devices cost 41,000 billion tomans in a clear way instead of going to the black market. the share of 15 thousand billion tomans, nearly 16 thousand billion tomans, for russian automakers, the gain of nearly 10 thousand billion tomans, for consumers at a cheaper price. in bose, buying goods compared to outside is actually close to 1400 billion tomans. the government could tax

something that it cannot now. we are coming to an economy that we want to grow. in the middle, we say that you should actually follow this transparent system, and then we will actually allow the money to go into people's pockets and go to the government , instead of coming into the factory. i think there was an execution in the commodity exchange last year how many jobs would be created, our car maker is making a gross loss, which means that even the car it sells is not worth the price of its raw materials and wages. we expect the network to have, for example, good disconnection , to research and develop, if we allowed it, not only our disconnection capacity would have been full today, not only the automobile industry like iran, our car, which

sold 58,000 units in the same short period of time last year. kurd lost 10 thousand billion tomans less than his loss . but we didn't see, we don't know what are the priorities in this country, which relies on the strong words of the supreme leader about curbing inflation and increasing production . it will increase to 2,000 units if khodrus had enough capital instead of 97,000 billion.

these numbers are not a joke in iran's economy, these numbers could not exist, they could be the opposite , we could invest 40 thousand billion tomans instead. where in large deprived areas. after the oil industry, our industry is the automobile industry, which we have destroyed with our own hands. when we turn off these engines from our economy, when we don't allow people to actually get good prices, people are also upset because they buy expensive goods, they buy low quality goods. they buy high security, both the car manufacturer is upset because it makes losses, and the worker of the car manufacturer is upset because he does not get enough salary. thank you, mr. alilu . do you think that what he is doing now, for example , is preventing the car from being released on the stock market? do you think you are a broker? developed or this number to him mr. daravi did not mention it.

first of all, i would like to ask the supreme leader not to spend money on inflation and growth . what does it necessarily have to do with increasing production? second, i want to say that i want this answer. later , there is an impression that you can see when we have a goal for the year, the best type. governance is to follow the law . in the 8th session of the parliament, we

passed the law on the regulation of automobiles. why, dear friends , you are one of those nobles , and you never say why the law is not implemented, why you never say that the government is involved in the management of companies what is the economy doing, why do we not want to follow scientific and academic rules in management and governance now? a production industry is also a part of it. why do we come up with this year's slogan that the supply of cars in the stock market can be curbed, my inflation can be controlled, and my production can increase ? why are we not looking for real treatment? you are also an expert on the stock market. cars, like many other goods, are in the consumer basket of households in all of

iran. not long ago, when we used to go to our villages , there was a minibus, and it was very crowded the people of the village are leaving now. you are in many of our villages. now, the part that is deprived, i fell in faraway points, should stay there. but in most of our villages , even people need a car. what is the stock market doing there? are all our people literate? do you have access to the stock market? you have big cities , you can see that they are your agents. when i want to buy a car, instead of going to the nearest showroom , to the nearest dealership of my national car manufacturer, i will register, buy my car, and see if i can choose according to my taste. they don't know where this is from general social justice. it is comprehensive. at the same time when you

introduced the brokers you mentioned in the stock market , because many did not have access to your brokers, the brokers came to small cities by renting a national card, and buying through the stock exchange became its own official broker. a broker custom, so you say that you got the broker atmosphere in the previous years, when the period that we researched and discussed in the 9th term of the parliament, until then, the supply of cars was in dealerships. iran khodro and saipa agencies are one network it is widespread in all the cities of iran . when they arrived, they took this job from the agencies. telling dealers only for after service

. how to do the task. at the same time, mr. bozormer, i was a servant of the parliament. a large group of these representatives from different provinces came and said that we are going bankrupt. in order to prevent their dealerships from going bankrupt because they sold a small percentage of the sales from them, the commission was for the dealerships themselves. or the services that are used to attract customers for the sale of a brokerage for this work taking this, they came and said, sir, this is taken from us . now, in fact, it has become our duty, half of our profit has become half, and people are wandering, then look what happened. instead of solving the main issue , they made the service more expensive so that the dealerships are not unprofitable. it is cheap for them to maintain their representation in a series of cities, closing us in our city, which

was my constituency, from that time until some time later, it was closed, it was broken even now, why are we harming that situation. he went to those conventional ways that we people, yes, in the change of our discussion, we reached that in tehran and in some of our big cities , only in this way, there are rounds, one of the so-called methods , now there is corruption in the supply or in the use or in the purchase of the number of cars that some dealers take in a basket. the same problem went away. they are strengthening the same situation and all my people have access to the stock market, but we don't see the consequences of its falsifications, then we come here and say that we have increased the network of brokers. well, when it was offered on the stock market, the growth of brokers should be for brokers. let's assume it means us now

look, it was a meal for you. you said earlier that we cut off their hand. now you say that you have to wait for a while. who makes a profit when the broker takes 334 million from the factory and sells it for 600 tomans? didn't this happen on the stock market? it didn't happen on the stock market . it happened outside the stock market. it happened outside the stock market. wait a minute. there is no broker, that's why no one came to buy the shahini car that i gave as an example. first of all, we now have a banking network all over the country , all brokers belong to the banking network banking network operations , announcements, registrations, national codes are clearly registered in the system , it is absolutely impossible for a broker to come and buy it, that is, even if you go and search today

, you will not find a single item, and then when the car manufacturer sells there, if he does not come deliver it on time, he was fined , but outside where you are in that forest , you are actually creating a broker's buying and selling, the car manufacturer will come, for example, i will buy a car from the door to the factory . midhesh made 200 million tomans car manufacturer from scratch i have lost 13 million tomans so far. you say that this happens all the time in this system. yes, yes, exactly the same thing. because you have copper, sir, yes, it was made in 6 months this year , you have a company, well, i don't assume with this, not from this system, if i speak , i don't mean that i am defending this, i am, mr. darawi, see, not you as as a stock market expert, i would like to ask you to

pay attention to the main rule, see the stock market as a so-called method. it was a relief to a pure and orderly situation it is not common at all that we have two answers from the stock exchange in front of authorities who say that it is illegal , we have never heard a documented answer, see why we do not want to compete in the car market because of the broker's interests, no, no, this is not the case. why don't you let the market reach the level of supply, and our market is not available now, the price of our market is not available or not, so why don't you tell me what you want now?

they announce that we have 40,000 pieces of cloth, for example we want to offer a certain car model . 400,000 people travel, 400,000 people are in demand . because you see the need, because no, see. this is where you are making a mistake. what does the demand price do ? it is a tool that balances price and demand. now i will tell you this. the glass with water in it was made for me for 5 thousand tomans. the demand for this is the same for 6 thousand tomans. but if i

bring this, i will sell it for 1000 tomans. the demand was based on supply and demand , and it was also focused on import. the law was provided in every way, we came in front of the implementation of the law we got it, then we came, you got it from my versions , i didn't get it, you see, we have two problems in the auto industry, one is an unrealistic price, why is the price unrealistic, because in six months you are looking at

iran khodro company 13 companies. we proved it with numbers, because now i don't have a new study anymore, but we proved it at that time and it has been repeated in different eras of our automobile manufacturers . you can see the lowest productivity from the highest overheads. we are saying that the stock market is a very good place to

supply goods. the main reason is that you have to use solutions i think you should use the one cloth system or the stock market or any other method because the supply and demand never match in the car . the goods of farshe are household appliances or any items or many other goods, for example

, you have to take them to the stock market, because the market is open , because there is access, because the supply and demand is done properly, because as you said , there is no set price, because it is so much that the government has come in the middle. maidan is managing everything by itself, and there is no place where the government can cut you in this way with this boldness. petrochemical is the same in steel wherever the government came in the middle of the field , i want to be a so-called producer, i want to be a seller, i can't wait any longer . let's go and do the basic treatment. those who annoy the people, every day people are making profit, people are making profit, you see, the main issue was that in the commodity exchange , we put the car that people needed at the real price at their disposal

, instead of buying it from the broker behind what. look what happened, now you are a commodity in the name of car , you turned it into a capital good, if it is not like this anywhere in the world, you should not buy a car and make a profit. you mean, who am i now, who is the lawmaker of your parliament who was sitting in the parliament , you did this? you are slandering, you are not very knowledgeable, mr. darawi , for two or three sessions of the parliament, which happened to investigate and discuss, i had 300 pages of reports, 30 of which were read in public, that is why you say that some of you have 13 cases to the judiciary. it was introduced, not allow if the presenter that the likes those of you who have performed on the stage, you know, have not done the drama, what should we do? you legislated to

143 how much leadership to rule. in the sphere of the law, now in the sphere of its industry, in the sphere of its production , in the sphere of its culture, in any sphere that has laws , we are not without laws, we are not without rules , we should either say that we must move in the sphere of the law or in the sphere of worf wherever the world and the world they are doing one thing, tell us where we have the law, how many articles, how many clauses of the law that was approved in the 8th parliament, in the 9th parliament. it has been completed, i know how to perform some clauses, gentlemen it is not you, i am addressing here, gentlemen, responsible at that time, we are mr. now , let's not name the minister at the time of the program . you chose

not to perform it again. look at it when it becomes a lonely life in some places. there is so much fuel smuggling and so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and- so corrupt things happen. other people's arguments are that every day, every year , every government comes, hey, a new version, sir, let's go and fix the original, what is the original, the original is that we

go and fix a structure, the structure is not stable , what crazy person would be willing to come with these prices with 100 losses sell it we are seeing a lot of private car manufacturers . it is better not to name any of them. it is better for people to know at least 10 of these car manufacturers in the same media. go outside, assemble it here and sell it at a price

you can tell me the name of it. which ones are they producing ? i am telling you, i have the same reason. i am saying that you should look in the car industry and listen. if you do not pay attention or want to , i am very sorry for this state of affairs. let's pass or not, pay attention, so pay attention , see, i am saying two sentences, more than you, we have to treat the industry . the industry in its structure is a failure of the company, which is the automobile industry, which has 162 satellite companies, 90% of which are caused by the losses of these companies. in the account of the annual financial balance of the parent company, which is iran khodro itself this rome wants to take from the nation's pocket, we have been shouting for 12 years, sir, what should the nation pay for, why don't they fix this, the problems are here, well

, from that side, allow it when you fail in this structure . we want to increase the circulation of production , we see serious obstacles like this, when we want to raise the quality, we see that there is no basis at all, because we have accustomed our artisans to assembly work, not to production, where else are you going to deviate from the main principle, well, the principle is the same 162 if we, if we improve our car manufacturing , raise the quality, with which money, with which solution