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. i am at your service. in 1395, the legal documents of some managers of government agencies were published in cyberspace, and this issue caused the reaction of people and officials encountered, which was referred to as astronomical rights. he set a ceiling for the salaries of public

administrators, which was included in the budget bill in 1400, and a clause was added to the industrial budget bill that set the ceiling for the salaries of public administrators, but this issue was discussed with the opponents and supporters of the plan. we are talking about astronomical rights. in recent years, some of the managers and officials of the institutions have received wide reflections and were accompanied by different reactions from the society. astronomical salaries , which, god willing, they themselves know, the difference is too big, where is 50 million, where is 3 million, where is it? the government of the people's representatives in the parliament thought of amending the law on the payment of benefits for the employees of government offices , and finally it was approved to

remove the limit of the salary increase and the people working in each institution receive their salaries based on the conditions there. an issue that now has opponents and supporters. removing the salary cap is not compatible with any of the criteria of social justice. however, it is possible to simply increase the ceiling to create social justice. but it should not be taken under any circumstances. therefore, the removal of the ceiling means an increase in salaries. the pay is astronomical. anyone can within the framework of existing laws he gets paid as much as he wants. therefore, the implementation of this clause opens the way for the payment of astronomical salaries. based on this resolution, the payments of individuals are made within the framework of the law on the coordinated payment system and the law on the management of state services. therefore, payments in any device are subject to the relevant law. that is,

according to the rules. payments are made according to the rules in each device. with the implementation of this decree, social justice will be lost at all levels throughout the country. because with this work, the rights of an official cannot be measured and calculated, and this means creating a deep gap between the receipts. in this the salary conditions will be astronomical and uncontrollable. sometimes suggestions are made to reform the structure and sometimes they increase the salary ceiling by five times. also in the budget. in 1400 , a ceiling was set for salaries, which led to the enhancement of the salaries of faculty members, while in the mentioned paragraph , it is emphasized that we will not have anything to do with the salaries of the employees of the ministry and state companies, and there should be a ceiling, there should be limits for high salaries. let's face it, because the astronomical salaries are the result of lack of supervision and if we remove the ceiling, the offices and

especially the state companies. can payments have various forms of labor or overtime , which will damage people's trust and social capital, and the story of astronomical salaries will be repeated again. therefore, we believe that the ceiling should remain. uncertainty about the ceiling for salaries leads to chaos in the country and some people can consider astronomical salaries for themselves. meanwhile, the human rights council can approve appropriate salaries for experts and elites to prevent them from increasing their salaries. of course, the employees of jobs such as oil rig workers should not have a salary ceiling. but in some ministries i see. like the ministry of oil, there are people who get paid up to 93 million tomans. therefore, applying the salary cap is mandatory. well, i apologize for the sound problem.

we are proud to serve you with a higher program. as you have seen in the report, however, setting a ceiling for managers' benefits has been faced by supporters and opponents from the very beginning. managers should refrain from continuing to work in government organizations and attract new positions be another well, we will follow this issue tonight with the presence of guests in the higher program. please stay with us. well, first of all, dear guests who agreed to join the higher program tonight, i would like to introduce to you mr. mehran mehrlian, an expert in the field of administration and employment, and mr. dr. mojtaba shahraei

, a researcher in the field of business economics. mr. shahraei, what are the reasons for us to set a ceiling for managers' salaries ? i would like to say hello to you, dear listeners of the program, please look at me if you allow me to give an introduction , when did astronomical rights actually happen and what legal measures were taken to deal with it ? it happened in the society that this sensitivity and concern arose in different levels of public servants and officials of the system, and even the leader of the revolution emphasized on this issue and mentioned expressions such as an attack on values ​​regarding this issue. and to emphasize that this issue

should not be passed easily and should be followed up if this case remains unfinished and incomplete , it will be questioned. during that period , various proposals were made to solve this problem, one of which was to set a ceiling for salaries. before that incident, we had a ceiling in the civil service management law, which was a ceiling of seven times, in fact, fixed salaries and continuous bonuses. for some managers and officials , it was not enough to face and control astronomical rights after that year. salary he came and put a new ceiling that included all payment items, and with the passage of time and in 1400 , when the parliament came in, and in

the last few years, from 1400 to 1402, in note 12 of the budget law, a ceiling was actually set for salaries. we know that it is included in the budget bill this year, but regarding this, in fact, your question is basically why there should be a salary cap. in my opinion, the important and noteworthy point is that , unfortunately, our payment systems , our employment administrative systems , are not efficient enough, that is, although in many of our items , the limits and falcons of payment to employees based on certificate history and other components that are now included in various laws, including chapter 10 of the civil service management law and the aviation system law. these have not been strictly regulated . let me give you an example. in article 78 of the civil service management law, there is a mention of welfare benefits

that can be paid to employees in the form of direct subsidies under various headings, transportation services , kindergarten fees for children. employees and the right to self-service. well, when we don't have clear and precise rules for all items in our payment system, this is the basis for the emergence of astronomical rights, if one day. we we were able to establish a fair payment system where all the items in that system have fair payment criteria. basically, in such a situation, there is no need to set a secondary ceiling because the ceiling based on those specific items can be paid for an employee's salary. it seems to be self-institutionalized in the payment system. the principle and necessity of existence is actually a ceiling and

there is no doubt. now, this is actually the point that you showed at the beginning of your program . it was a challenging discussion that happened in the seventh development program , which i want to explain now. to go to mr. mehrlyan , mr. mehrlyan, mr. shahraei says that because these legal components and our payment system are actually not very accurate and correct, we are forced to set a legal ceiling for the time being as a real estate agent. i want to tell you what arguments those who are against this issue have and believe why we should not set a salary cap for government managers in the name of god. i greet you and the respected viewers. your program first let's define the target audience of our program, if

we want to talk about the law, that it has a beneficiary, where does it belong to the government employees , where does it go back to the people. and how should it be done? a large part of the country's budget is being spent on wages, other than that, if the government wants to not focus here, it should not have supervision. something happens, the public budget is wasted , right, so the government insists on this salary ceiling and setting the salary ceiling, and this is not the case here, so the government both agree with this issue and the people agree with this issue that this ceiling of salaries, the minimum salaries that are paid, should not be astronomical, the same thing that happened until 2015, in the previous government, it was decided that this would happen and this law would be put in place. this law is sufficient. i have a problem with mr. shahrani. no, the law

was sufficient. in my opinion, the law was sufficient. unfortunately , the exceptions here caused this to happen. look at the exceptions that you mention in note 12 of the budget law. let's let everyone be exempted from paying the payments. finally, article 76 of the civil service management program law specifies how much the salary floor is and how much the salary ceiling is. it is a side benefit , yes, this is correct. i agree with this matter . look, what is paid in the recruitment order is the same between the government and the government employees . payments outside the scope of the civil code are not regulated by the code of conduct that can have this justice. the coming of exceptions and themselves from the law of

management. the law had set a ceiling , but it was not paid attention to. this attention is not paying attention to the law , not that the law was not enough, the law was enough , we came and put it. at all, the path of legislation , the path of amending the law, is a difficult path. now , before my program, mr. shahrani, i was talking about the same civil service management law in 2006. wasn't it approved on a trial basis, in what year did it start to be legally implemented, maybe two or three years. this the long road of passing a law or amending a law , if we sit and let this happen , then what should we do with the astronomical salaries

? it is in the law that it is a non-permanent law . it has been clarified, i think, based on article 76, the ceiling and floor again say from 10 million tomans to 70 million tomans. why is it that the seven times mentioned in the law is not a part of the rights, it is saying that the total rights are out of there is also a rule in side benefits that has been talked about, which is these rules. in my opinion, the organization of the employment agency has issued this circular. now, whether it becomes a law or not, whether it is implemented or not , these institutions will oppose this, so it means that there is someone there who opposes this , which is in some way the beneficiary of this case , that is, the beneficiaries of these institutions who benefit are that if there is no law, then we can pay whatever we want , we can raise it outside of the judgment, but when this law exists , then there can be no payment. those who are upset, now people are upset about this matter.

by the way, it is not in the interest of the people that the budget of my rule should be spent . mr. sharayini has answered this ceiling. before that, i will check mr. mehralian's orders. the ceiling that is now approved by the consolidation commission is that for the next year , the minimum order for our recruitment should be 10 million and the maximum should be 70 million. this is still it has not reached the final approval of the parliament, but in the conditions we are talking about now, the floor and the minimum order for recruitment is 7,920,000 tomans. and my ceiling is 55 million this 7-fold number that is mentioned is two separate issues with the 7-fold number that is in the civil service management law. let me give you an example . in 1400, when we set the salary ceiling in the budget , the ceiling was 33 million and 700. while the floor

was 3 million and a half, that means the difference between the ceiling and the floor was almost 10 times, so these two factors mentioned here are two different issues, but naturally, the events that happen in the field of employee compensation are actually a set of issues. we have to pay attention to it in order to solve it, the multitude of payment systems is right to point out, but it is all a problem there is no special extraordinary that many devices take it, how to get it by pressure , in fact, the lobby, even though they use their own levers of influence, to pass a law, even after discussing our welfare, many of our devices are because of the resources that are available to them in different ways, the specific incomes or the amounts that they can

get from the organization for their allocations , in fact, we have a lot of injustice. it has been announced that i will share the same example i do that actually. it should be clear that despite the fact that good efforts have been made for this issue , it was not enough in any way. it is mentioned in this decree that payments in excess of the specified criteria can be paid. this is the first point. the second point is that the payment of this amount is tied to the criteria. by ensuring the budget and credits of the device, we cannot say that no one will receive these items in excess , and we cannot guarantee that all employees will receive at least these items. now you have this point, i want to discuss the challenge that happened in the parliament in the past months in the seventh development program, which was mentioned in the first part of your program. there, well

, different representatives have different opinions on paragraph 18 of the seventh plan law. of course, it is still not my law. there is a resolution of the parliament regarding the bill of the seventh program. a clause was added by the parliament to this bill as such, with the content that we do not have a salary cap in the budget laws of other industries, which was opposed in the floor of the parliament. this came back several times and various arguments were raised. one of these arguments was that we have regulations in our payment system. we have that there are enough criteria, which i mentioned in the first part of my speech , but these are not enough , in the end, what was approved, because there is a dispute now, i have an example of its inadequacy. they say that in the 7th plan it was approved to remove the ceiling, well

, there is no such clarity, because because he said that the salary, benefits and receipts of the employees, he now names the different areas of the executive body and says: it is subject to related laws. he was presented with an explicit order that the ceiling be removed he did not accept it and replaced this ruling that the rules, in fact, our payments must be based on the law, that the payments must be based on the law, there is no reason not to put another ceiling on the payment, in fact, it is not a right , unfortunately, there are some people who they are also decision makers in this field. and unfortunately, they themselves benefit from very high payments, and if the salary cap is lifted, these loved ones will receive more than what they are receiving now , so i think we should analyze the scene both optimistically and pessimistically in such a context. as

in fact, the society should see what motivations there are to oppose the hard . i will count these motivations and answer them . this was one of the motivations that i said now let's go for more positive views on this issue. we have a series of elites in the country, we have a series of people whose keeping in the public sector requires higher payments. the case is absolutely correct , there is no doubt that we should give more salaries to some people, but in the budget laws of the recent years, in note 12, after the sentence on the salary cap is raised, at the end, a series of the items are excluded, which means we accept that it is not possible to see all the employees of the country and all the specialists at a glance . atomic energy and other cases are excluded

from the ceiling, that is, in the current situation, this flexibility that was necessary has been seen. even i would like to say a higher point that in these laws, the annual budget has come to the end, and in other special cases , it is possible to be excluded by the council of rights. there is a ceiling. now that the salary council is here , i have a criticism of it. that many the approvals of this council are not transparent, which means we cannot distinguish that if a law is passed by the parliament, an authority is given to the government, and an authority is given to the law council. finally, what decisions are made in that council during the implementation phase, so one of the demands we have from the law council is responsible for uploading its approvals transparently on the website of the employment agency. that such important decisions can be monitored and monitored, demanding . well, excuse me, i'll enter here for a moment

. it became a discussion about the wage council . let me make a small defense about the wage council, the wage council. salaries in the new government have some fundamental differences compared to the previous one. for example, let's check a statistic together from 1396 to 1400. we had 11 meetings of the rights council. in the first two years of the 13th government, how many meetings did we have, 34 meetings, if this process was implemented correctly, and as the saying goes, it was implemented correctly in the past , it would not come to the point that our laws are not enough now , if we use the same thing that is included in the law , the article 74, which has left the dignity of the salary position , if we had implemented the same, this would not have happened , mr. mehrian, let me tell you something. criticizing does not mean that there are definitely many positive points in this government in this parliament. i will even

tell you this statistic that an interpretation and a concept that has recently been put forward under the name of the gini coefficient of our rights is a coefficient. we have a genie in the society , the lower it is between zero and one, the lower it shows that justice in the sense of equality has been achieved more . by the way, adjusting this is also the appropriate job of the employment office organization, which for our employees from 1997 to 1401, which is based we can see from the checked salary data that although with a very slight slope mild and a little, but this gini coefficient of salaries is decreasing, that is, we accept that, but this does not mean that we do not see the negative points, exactly, i am not saying that the negative points should not be seen, look at the salary and wage council , if it used to be a place for bargaining, now it is not a place for bargaining anymore. it is not officially a bargaining chip. documents and documents are required. if a person is going

to be presented as an individual, for example, in the law council, let's say, sir, this person is a special person. decisions are made for that person, that is, the law council he is making a decision for that person or for that group of people, there is no more bargaining, no more system. first , it is not enough that there are a series of competent people who are in charge of a series of responsibilities in different councils in the current situation or in any period of time. we must adjust the structures in such a way that unfavorable decisions are not actually extracted from them . for example, this the course is good, as long as these approvals are not complete and the society is not transparent, how is the capability of the system. how can it be monitored? i even confirm that many of the efforts

made by this government and this parliament in the field of justice in the system and payment of labor are deserved. it is a blessing, i said that the gini coefficient of salaries has also been reduced in recent years in some years, for example, the same salary restoration law that happened in the middle of 1401, well, a fixed million was added to everyone in the middle of the year, this is a fixed million that is, if you have a salary of 10 million, it will be 10 , if you have a salary of 20 million, it will be 5. in the salary of 40 million , it is two and a half percent, this helps to reduce the gaps. but what is our criticism? our criticism is that if a support and many works well, it is being done, it must be continuous. what is the basis of our argument that there should be more support for the lower groups and less support for the upper classes, one is that the salary increase is a lower percentage for the salaries, for example, 50 million , compared to the fact that the percentage is higher for lower salaries , 10%, 50 million becomes 5 million 20 % of 10 million becomes 2 million. so

, excuse me for a moment, i think we are completely off topic. justice is another discussion about which we can now have another plan to talk about it, the relevant expert in this matter. ok, if he can answer your questions or answer your criticisms, let's go back to our discussion . you are the first. the point we raised is that the opponents are talking and saying that the elites will leave the system. it is true that the elites themselves answered that yes, it is possible to bring elites and proved that for this reason these elites should be paid beyond the ceiling. this is approved and paid by the council of jurisprudence . there is no need to worry about this

. i want to say that the opposition's claim is the basis for the opposition's claim. do not exist i am with you and we agree that there should be a ceiling, i am not against this at all and we support it a lot, that is, in the field of media, the activity of the media is based on the fact that there should be a salary ceiling, sir, for the reason that i told you about the budget. in general, the regulation that the government wants to happen is true, but the gentleman points out that this is necessary but not sufficient . this means that what has been determined now will restore the bargaining system one by one in another way . that is, when you say, for example, i don't know in the atomic energy organization is working as a doctor or for any reason can he come and get a permit from the human rights council if the increase is higher than that ceiling? first of all, sir, we say that the elites will leave, well, look , we have a few things to discuss. that they don't get enough salary, when we talked about this, we said, sir, the salary is enough , he was approved by the salary councils, and

he paid his salary very easily . jobs are government jobs, this is the atomic energy organization, the way you rely on the organization atomic energy is out of the government. in the energy organization, there was another activity. after all, we don't have as much as there is in the government. the second problem is that we want to bring the private sector and compare it with the government. you see, it is wrong, the private sector is looking for its own interests , it enters in order to earn money and its own interests, but the public sector, which is not looking for that, is not the public sector. yes, you look at the discussions let's separate the justice in payment and with the ceiling and kindness, but look, these are not separate topics. when we

are talking about the rights of the government benefits of the high-salaried classes , can we compare them? let's not talk about salary earners at other levels and don't see the ratio of these together. now we have a problem with the industrial budget rules and many other rules . for example, they say, sir, this year the salary will increase by 20%, and 4 machines will be installed. in addition to this , 20% will get special points for themselves , what does it matter, a special group, no matter how important it is. have a general plan to increase. in this discussion of the definition of justice, we finally reach

the crisis of definition. in the end, we cannot