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each and every one of you, dear and respected viewers, especially the higher program of the leadership of the revolution, in their recent meetings, real competition is one of the important pillars. it is one of the issues that the election has been declared in the sense that the field is open for the presence of different political, economic and cultural trends so that all these different views can have a real competition in the big election contest. the experts have different opinions about the fair explanation of the budget for all students. the main question and the main question of our debate tonight is whether all students and all universities should benefit from the higher education budget in the same way. stay tuned for tonight's debate. special program tonight above. mr. ghafourian and mr. mohseni

accompanying me are the members of the academic departments of jihad academic university and tehran university, who are with us , as opposed and in favor of the issue, i would like to start with mr. mohseni and the question of how much you agree that this budget for higher education is the same for everyone. students should be dedicated. well, in the name of god, i offer greetings and courtesy to the honorable viewers as the host of this program and also to dr. ghafuryan. see, your question should be raised with the introduction that in fact the budget should basically be given to universities for education or not or for activities. well, in my opinion, this answer is definitely positive . according to the time of their establishment, our universities are the main ones that gave the budget. it can be the same for everyone

, for example, between tehran university and the university, for example , the applied science of payam noor, in this distance, no, no , no, no, no, no, see, first of all, the principle of the budget should be accepted for universities , especially our public universities. we are talking about these universities, but how to explain the ratio of this budget to these universities has different criteria, one of which is per capita of students that these universities have. years they declare their studies and based on that, they can have a budget defined for them and they receive one of them, in fact, the provision of educational facilities and spaces , the number of faculty members, the number of employees , which should be determined between three factors or three specific criteria , per student and faculty members. science and work. i want there to be a proportionality, and

according to this, they are allocated funds, of course, i want to tell you that the universities are not all at the same level, we have different universities, many of these universities also perform major tasks, like tehran university in fact, it serves the country and on this basis, their budget may be different , of course, you should not only use this budget as the figure that is announced at the beginning of each year. the budget should be closed, so it can be said that most of the budget that is paid to universities, especially public universities , is a percentage of their annual expenses, and universities should be able to be part of the educational or research activities or other services they provide they should provide for themselves because they have a big university that can do this do no, after we say that we have a standard

to divide this thousand tomans between 10 higher education institutions or universities, this is basically not acceptable at all, it's like making a decision. let's give everyone shoe number 42, while our shoes have different numbers, so justice here means correct distribution based on the number of faculty members per capita , the performance of the service history that this university provides , and the welcome that this university provides. it becomes a university and the maintenance costs that this has for the facilities in the laboratory and faculty, etc., are covered by this budget it is defined every year, for this reason, the budget cannot be the same for all higher education institutions, mr. ghafourian . what is your opinion? well, in the name of allah , the most high, the most merciful, i have a good time. dear mr. mohseni, and dear viewers, i think

that in fact the higher education system in the country , like in many other countries , is related to its governmental duties, which should have appropriate funds to carry out those duties. the point is that this is foreseen in the laws and in fact in your industrial budgets. it predicts number and digit development programs for the government system kenan, the point is that we have a change in the situation in the country since perhaps the beginning when the constitution was written and this prediction was also in the third principle that in fact the government should support free education at the level of higher education until today the change in conditions in the country has happened and with the same indicators that were actually used

to determine the credit and budget for higher education , it seems that maybe it needs to be revised now. there is support and allocation of government credits, this has happened and it seems that more from this, in the field of government credits, we should not witness that a part of the country's higher education sub-system is called, for example, supported by public universities , only to be placed on this basis . perhaps, for example, we can summarize in this way that in fact, the share of public universities from the credits actually available in the country should be more limited than

what is currently foreseen in the regulations. altitudes and such.

tehran, which is one of the main tasks of university branding in the country now here we have proved that it is profitable, you know that we have many good universities in our own country, how can we do this with a university that has been established for several years and has no output , for example, now you don't forget my question , see, see, my criteria are clear.

what is the research output of the institutions that you say should receive funding like tehran university or sharif university ? how can we find out what their ranking is ? we need scientific criteria let's consider an example. well, you just recently looked at the isc profile, the reference of the world of islam. well , see which university and from where. in fact , 1% or 2% of the scientists excelled here . well, look, then we give a budget to the universities from that. we want something from them, what is it to shoulder the scientific credit of that country, now if we come. cut off this budget or revise it as you say, although i don't know what the word revision means, who do you want those tasks from, who do you want

those tasks to be performed, i will give an explanation. in the field of higher education, he is responsible for the performance of these tasks, and time is predicted in the budget every year. regulations have been written that we did not have any active sector in the field of higher education except the government sector. azadem university was established in 1961. non-profit universities were established in 1965. let's accept that now after 3 decades, you are facing a vast network of higher education that has the capabilities of it provides services. your excellency, you mention that a series of services are provided in public universities, i agree, but. in the network of universities and non-governmental institutions of higher education, both free and non-free

in these years, for-profit and others , they have actually reached a maturity where they can contribute, that is , part of the responsibility of the government in providing higher education services is now carried out by non-governmental sectors , but for this service they are providing, they do not receive any share from they don't have government credits , on the other hand, why do our public universities have to enter courses with high tuition fees? if they have a governance duty, then they should do their governance duty . they should get funding in return. why do they enter courses and why do they enter themselves into competition with the private sector? this means that we are facing an unequal competition in the country our state brands, with the credit they have, are actually confiscating the share of open higher education for their own benefit. another point i would like to complete. if we accept that the government universities

are responsible for those fields, those are the parts of education that have a more governance aspect, what is the reason for our group of government universities to be included in the education of all fields of study. some fields of this kind and there is justification to stay in the same public universities with the same budget, that is, when i say to revise, that share can be even reduced. in fact, institutions that are private, azad university, high-altitude universities, mr. doctor, i heard

that we have nearly 2800 institutions of higher education in our country . anyway, see, this is not a small number. see, i want to tell you this about that urban planning method. reputable universities now, the word "reputable" that i say "reputable" has a historical meaning, when we want to say "reputable", we don't want to say that other universities are the universities accepted by the public that have been established during these decades and are popular with the public. i think the prestigious universities of ghorbani are actually the same other social problems, for example, the same explanation that you are saying, well, look, for example, when we are faced with phenomena in some tens of countries, where students go to neighboring countries for postgraduate studies, we do not know what

the quality of the degree is, we do not know what he sees education there, we don't know in what language it is taught there, and firstly , the student goes to a neighboring country whose university is unknown to us. he can do it and come back to you this country wants to work, so see what we have to do here now. you tell us what our non-profit universities are doing, what our private universities are doing, nothing . for example, kish island or in the azad zone to create a wedding ceremony , so that instead of going to another country , where it is not at all clear what kind of education he will receive there, and whether our financial education system will accept this education or not

, he will get his degree at the university of tehran in paris. international university of tehran tehsil. do yes and sacrifice you say that we entered this competition, no, it is not like that at all, we do not think at all that we want to generate income , compete , destroy the economy market of higher education in the private sector, of course, i do not deny, mr. doctor, that this happens. it is natural that if tehran university goes to a place like kish island, it will become an educational institution , a university, a campus. it is natural that another university, now let's assume, for example, your university, this university, the same department, the university departments , our university units, it is natural that a student registers in tehran university. the right to choose is natural and it goes back to the valid concept that we talked about, so this should be clarified here, public universities such as

tehran university, shahid beheshti university, sharif university and other universities that i am now. now, based on memory, i won't say their names , they were also sacrificed. how much income do you think they have? is all of this income spent, all of it spent, building construction, etc. but these are going to be sacrificed, and now we have to think about them. thank you for their dedication, mr. ghafurian, and let me tell you my point, mr. doctor the ones you gave as an example , by the way, i think that in the story of the tuition fee payer , their contribution may not be very significant. we now have night courses in universities, which i think should be much more extensive, but assuming that the campus is established. it was done based on a one-time policy. there are two points of criticism

. in the past years, we have created international campuses . is it still valid or not? and the second point is that a report should show the success of this decision now. is it really preventing the exit? students to, for example, the surrounding countries or not, or if this was once established, is it now or not, but i said that the overall contribution is actually that competition. the injustice that exists with the private sector in the field of higher education, in my opinion, the campuses are not very worthy of attention. by the way, i mostly mean the other courses that exist in the public universities . one more criticism, if you allow me , i will make it this much. agree, let's go and see together, let's take a look at the opinions of the pros and cons and the topic we are talking about , don't forget the second review, we will come back.

let's listen to both of them. about 14% of students across the country are studying in public universities for free. based on the principle 30 of the constitution that the provision of higher education facilities is free up to the level of self-sufficiency by the government , we asked some experts whether you are in favor of free higher education or are against the explanation of government credits in higher education in the current form . . according to the second part of article 30 of the constitution, which is related to higher education, as long as the country needs to train and provide specialized workforce it is free and whether the market, industry and society need skilled and university-educated workforce

or not is a question that should be asked to society and industry. if the growth of 8% and the prosperity of business is achieved, it can be said with confidence that we need more graduates, but in the current situation, it seems that the number of our student population is more than the current needs of the market. mohsa rashidi, a researcher, is against the current explanation model of public loans. in the field of higher education in iran, it is important to pay attention to the quality of education. this means that public funds should be spent on quality education to be based on this, even universities and non-governmental higher education centers that provide high-quality education . they can benefit from public credits. therefore, the existing model of explanation that public credits

are only available to universities and government higher education centers regardless of the quality of education provided is fundamentally flawed and one cannot expect resource efficiency and improvement of the quality of university education. ali omrai, a member of the education commission of transparency and justice watch, agrees. it seems that higher education has become self-sufficient. but the ability to train troops specialist in the country should be continuous. that is, we need to train specialized personnel at any time, because a part of the specialized personnel is reduced for various reasons, including the retirement of immigration, which must be completed immediately by training specialized and efficient personnel. so, to achieve self-sufficiency, you always need education facilities. free to exist in the country . hossein nasiri, an opposing researcher. allocating government credits to universities based on student per capita regardless of the quality and

economic status of students in terms of the efficiency of the education system. excellent has weaknesses. the explanation of these credits in some cases is not based on the country's need for expert personnel, and some applicants for priority fields are decreasing due to unemployment and insufficient support. therefore, it is necessary to achieve changes in the distribution of financial resources of universities according to the goals of the principle of the constitution. you are a special companion of the higher program, mr. ghafourian , please don't forget your second review. i can only accept that the distribution of government credits in the field of higher education is proportional to the quality. the output of the universities is good, but one thing is that it is guaranteed who is doing the quality of public universities now? the ministry of science has a mechanism

that evaluates itself. the ministry of health probably does the same, while it seems that the same ministry of science evaluates its own university, the high altitude university of rome. science actually evaluates the university. myself , which has a completely different mechanism, it seems that if this basis is to be established, we need a non-governmental quality assurance institution, in other words, an institution that is not a provider of higher education itself should come and evaluate these collections and the output of the university. we don't have it now. this can be put forward as a proposal that an institution. in fact , how can a non-governmental organization that is not a higher education provider come to guarantee the quality

, for example, why, for example, how can an organization like the ministry of science be a reference to guarantee and evaluate the quality of the university and its own collections? the government is a part of this, in fact, karo. read it, you also mentioned the ic profile and these , finally, some of them show the output of the universities. by the way, i want to give an example of the same in the evaluation of non-profit universities. the university that has academic jihad has been ranked at the top of the evaluation, the university of science and culture, academic jihad , we have another university, science and art , and it is actually ranked first in this evaluation, but it is a worthy contribution.

at the same time, many of them give clear interpretations , but many of its words can be vague. this principle says that the government is obliged to provide free education facilities for all the people until the end of the secondary school period, and the facilities for higher education up to the limit of self-sufficiency. free to expand well, you know that this principle is actually directed to another principle.

so it is not necessary for us to have public universities first of all , this word is self-sufficiency. in another place, it is mentioned in the constitution, it is in the agricultural sector, for example, in the agricultural sector, he said that we should progress in agriculture so much that we become self-sufficient and not dependent on foreigners. see, this issue must be resolved. we can say self-sufficiency in agriculture, but we can't say self-sufficiency in knowledge

, see why we can't say it, because the word self-sufficiency is a problem, a problem is that we need to find independence in meeting our own educational and research needs in the up to secondary sector, which is characteristic of it. it should be free, but anyway , the guardian council interpreted it and said that it does not prevent the establishment of private schools in the higher education sector, where they say that we have now reached the limit of self-sufficiency . i believe that we have never reached self-sufficiency in knowledge and we will not, because self-sufficiency is a fluid issue that is changing every year, new issues are raised, for example, this year artificial intelligence is in question, next year something else will be

raised. it was mentioned. second, let's see self-sufficiency has another problem, and that is that we should support the scientific production of the country until it benefits the people, so how do you want us to interpret the word self-sufficiency, that is, let's say that we are now graduates of fields such as philosophy. we don't need to give any more money to the universities to ask them to take philosophy students or we have salaries. we don't get any more money to the universities. this is not possible from this principle . this is my opinion. mr. ghafurinton. we have not reached the limit of self-sufficiency in higher education and we cannot let's get to this simplicity because science

doesn't wait for you to get to it. not only has it been realized that we have crossed the border, with this explanation that seems to me, i am now going to say that this principle is one of your ambiguities. now mr. dr. ghafuria says that we have arrived . yes, during the constitutional negotiations when this principle was passed , there was not much discussion about this word to see what the legislator's opinion was at that point, but two minimum concepts can be understood from self-sufficiency in higher education. one is that you don't need to send students abroad. mostly it's not that you don't need university graduates to enter the country without two exceptions. i think it's been a long time.

it has been realized, the objective reason is that we have many unemployed university graduates in the country, that is , we have more educated people than the market needs, which shows that we have crossed those boundaries, many of them are even working in their non-specialized fields. employed means that it shows that the university education helps in the discussion of employment or the purpose of that person's education. it has not entered, but it means that it is not self-sufficiency in knowledge, sir dr. khodkafaei is educated, we have crossed the border of educated self-sufficiency as an output of higher education. i also want to give an example. you can see that the share of higher education in the entire country's budget was about one and a half percent of the entire country's budget. now, apparently , it is 1402. two closer.