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in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful. greetings and have a good time . i am at your service, dear viewers of the khabar channel. we are proudly at your service with another higher program . about 39 times. the capital has been moved and from shush to today's tehran , the capitals have changed and 30 cities are included in this millennials see the title of the capital of iran as their own, but since about 30 years ago and considering the problems of the city of tehran, the issue of transferring the capital has become one of the main issues and as a solution to this issue is on the agenda. it was decided until

about 10 years ago, i.e. in 2013, the parliament approved a plan based on which a group or a council was formed to examine the solutions for transferring and organizing the problems of the city of tehran and to provide a solution for it, although since then until today, nothing specific has happened in this field , but whenever the problems of the city of tehran are raised, a plan is made transfer of my capital. the title of one of the solutions has been proposed and it still has supporters and opponents. tonight, in the presence of two dignitaries , we will discuss this issue. please stay with us. hello. well, first of all , i will introduce tonight's dear guests to you. dear

mr. pirouz hanachi, the former mayor of tehran , you are very welcome, mr. dr. and mr. khosro, the deputy minister of road and urban development . we will start the conversation, hamid reza sarmi, deputy director of architecture and urban planning of tehran, in the short term, the transfer of the administration of the capital can have good results. it should have the experience that malaysia did in this field and moved the administrative capital from kuala lumpur to putrajaya. considering the problem of very high population concentration in tehran, moving the capital is an inevitable necessity. another successful global experience in this field is the country of brazil, where the capital was moved from rio de janeiro to brasilia. seyyed mohsen tabatabai, secretary general of the scientific association of urban economics of iran, moving the capital is very expensive and with capacity. the economy of our country is not possible. in terms of

we don't have a better land and geography in the country than tehran that has all the political, security, social and cultural requirements and considerations. mehdi zareh, professor at the international research institute of seismology. moving the capital is one of the methods that help reduce the risk of earthquakes. the transfer of the capital from tehran can be an opportunity to reduce the population density of tehran and be able to deal with. let's think of an earthquake solution. obviously, in any country where the population is more concentrated , it suffers more damage from various accidents. morteza hadi jaberi, professor of urban planning faculty, university of tehran. i don't know why in our country some people want to reinvent the wheel and ignore all the experience and specialized knowledge of planning. it is one of the obvious things of the planning expertise that

there is no success in the matter of transferring the capital in the world. dr. saman wali noori, lecturer in urban management, is the most important reason for the political centralization of the country. tehran's mega-centralization is shahrhar, which has gathered about 1/4 of the country's population within its 100-kilometer radius. this centralism is not only about the population, but it also includes the concentration of the country's facilities in the metropolis of tehran. mohammad saleh shakohi, a member of the faculty urbanization of university of science and technology. some think that by moving the capital, problems such as traffic, air pollution and congestion can be dealt with. in case, considering the structure of the state economy in the country, we will only transfer the issue from tehran to the new capital, well, you have seen the report, without any introduction, we will go to mr. hanachi and

ask whether you agree with the transfer of the capital, in the name of god. i greet you and dear viewers . and i want to see the problem from another angle. the prophet says that good questioning is half of knowledge. how do you solve the problem? you suggest, 50% of the way to the answer. the discussion of transferring the capital is an answer to an issue that has not been fully investigated. we are facing many problems in tehran. now, we are experiencing its consequences with traffic and air pollution and the reduction of living and environmental conditions. i will give a very simple overview of what is the issue and where is the problem? can the transfer of the capital

be effective or not? is it possible or not? in the studies of 1345, institute of social studies and research, university of tehran. it has come that tehran is still concentrating the population, employment and capital. despite the fact that in many activities have been carried out and many policies have been made in these decades , it seems that it was not enough. for example, we implemented the 120-kilometer radius limit of tehran city relatively... in some governments, we implemented it very seriously . the result is that, for example, you have the industrial city of alborz in ghazmin, or you have ijtihad , or you have hassanabad in qom, and in for a period of time

, we had the tehran city expansion supervisory council with the presence of the prime minister, and the members of the economic council and the members of the supreme urban development council were responsible for any type of investment and planning for tehran and its 25-year scope. there was a time when after the revolution we overrode the 25-year-old limits of the city of tehran, practically this shula shura is no longer in use, but it gave us a very important message that tehran should be at the highest levels of decision-making, policy-making, decision-making and coordination . government components should be decided upon and after the establishment of the development monitoring council of tehran city, this task fell to the supreme city council on a national scale and to the commission of article 5 on the legal issue of the establishment of the supreme council on a local scale. although

tehran's share of the population is currently tehran the urban complex of tehran will decrease. has been decreasing, but still 20% of the population and 30 % of the country's gross national product exist in this area, and it is active, that is, 30% of the gross national product, 20% of the population in something more than 2 % of the area. tell me whether the capital should stay in tehran or not .

or not, we want to let him see, after all, this city and this land has capacities that we are almost at the edge of filling this capacity. we arrived and in some cases we left behind these edges , the territory of tehran, yes, the whole territory of tehran after all, the capacities are not unlimited. we can have expectations from any territory in terms of its capacities . in many cases, the territorial capacities of the city of tehran, the greater tehran complex, are already full and we have crossed that border. he said that we have no choice but to

take serious measures in this area. some of the points that we passed and filled the capacity and passed cannot be returned. therefore, with these explanations that i have given , yes, yes, i definitely agree with the transfer of the capital. that's right, so mr. danshu agrees with the transfer of the capital is. the reasons for this agreement. yes , as i said, after all , we can have expectations from tehran. you see , we have expectations from tehran in various fields, for example , in the field of economy , tehran is going to shoulder all the economic burden of the country, or for example, in discussions related to housing. is this land that we named tehran capable of covering 20 or should we think

about predicting these capacities in other places based on god's gifts in other places and in these areas with the measures we take in the direction of that to be able to make maximum use of the god-given and god-favored capacities in our land. we should move in that direction. in many areas, our behavior has been exactly the opposite, that is, exactly in places where our land does not have capacity , our policies and actions have caused population density, and in places where there is capacity, our actions have caused us to let's not have a population. now in the whole of iran, we have places that

have the best capacities for the discussion of housing and the discussion of the economy, but we have those places and those lands that are uninhabited, for example, the southern coasts. our country has a very good capacity in the south of the country, and our neighboring countries, even the countries that are located south of the oman sea and the persian gulf. they make maximum use of their capacities, but what did we do when we came, we brought our population points to the center, on the outskirts of the desert and in places where we have many territorial problems, we concentrated them there and organized them densely, so one of the main reasons that i can mention it because they agree that the capacities of tehran city have been exhausted and

the capacity of this population and now this volume of traffic and there is no air pollution, traffic, etc. well, the solution is to move the capital . yes, yes, please, yes, the first picture actually shows the general area of ​​tehran, which agha mohammad khan chose here as the capital more than 200 years ago, 230-40 years ago , and it was the right choice, that is, the watery area had the alborz heights behind it for security reasons. the centrality of the place. akbarit north and south, east and west it has chosen a regional place and

has high environmental capacities. to choose the capital city , the next slide shows from 2015 to 2019. if you look carefully, the parts that are marked with color, you will see that in 2015, tehran is about one million and 561 thousand people. it now has a population of about 860,670,000 people, and these are the censuses of every 10 years of the country, the population growth rate in tehran has been declining for about seven decades, but instead, the urban area of ​​tehran has increased from 10% to 194 it means

that the population of the metropolis has decreased to the extent that it has the surrounding cities have become heavily populated. our next slides, now why did this happen? well, we will show the next slides if friends show them. we have a high attraction of non-native students for employment and accommodation . the largest industrial concentration is located in the axes connected to tehran, especially the axis of karaj and karaj-qazvin , four large industrial cities within one to two hours of tehran. in the 21 darsh region, half a million cars are produced at the peak of annual capacity . we have absolute concentration of financial and credit institutions and capital markets. the share of gross national product without oil in tehran region. the general area of ​​tehran is about 31%, according to the census statistics, the share of 35 to 40% of the taxes of the

tehran region of the whole country is tehran's share of the total added value. deposits and bank facilities in tehran . put these together. it means that our focus is on this situation, and when the investment in other parts of the country is not enough, it is the first issue because of employment. due to employment, this public area is under load. now show the next slides to your friends. although in tehran city, despite the increase in population, we had a decrease in population growth rate in 3 in the last decade

, we experienced a very high population growth rate in the areas around tehran, for example, in sabah shahr 21, this very high rate. pak dost 10% sharif abad 7 baghistan 6 and a half percent in the southwest region of tehran, shahriar region 17% and the incident that has decreased in tehran is increasing in a public area, the reason for this is described in the next slide. we focused only on control measures. while taking negative measures to take the burden off tehran. less done all this does not mean the transfer of the capital. if you invest in a balanced amount in all parts of the country we did not have south pars. the largest amount of investment in the history of iran took place there. when south pars was active. many specialists were present and even

took me to their homes in the southern part of the public area. because employment was available there, if we want the south coast to be active, there needs to be a reason for the population to settle there, and the main reason in the current situation is employment, employment requires huge investments, investment requires investment security, and planning in this next slide. show friends. failure to do so proportionate explanation of employment and services in the gulf region, binding and adhering to the documents, changing policies and approaches is one of the reasons.

plans remain as laws, in the field of urban planning, if someone says that i don't accept this or i won't implement this , have you noticed the policies that all the government's infrastructure members have signed and pledged that this if the work is done, someone will come and tell me that work i won't do it. you can't stonewall the policies that we developed, sometimes we ignored or didn't act on them in some courses, and these are ultimately ineffective, mr. doctor. i will formulate your speech. so far, it is because the transfer of the capital has a financial burden and requires a large investment, and it is not possible to make this investment at the moment . i say that as long as you manage like this, the transfer of the capital will not solve the problem, and since 1960 , we have not had a serious transfer of the capital in the world.

except for places where serious political changes have taken place, for example, the soviet union and newly independent countries, for example, kazakhstan did this after independence, or for example, east and west germany and berlin. this happened after major political events, but in the form of japan's 30-year-old choice , which is now considering whether to move tokyo or not, in the end, it did not reach a clear conclusion. he said, "of course , i will tell you right here. well, my humble servant, i am where i am now, that is, as the secretary of the city council." before, the doctor himself was there and had exactly the same responsibility. having exactly what the doctor is talking about means that basically , with this amount of trouble and with this volume that

was mentioned in the slides, we have no choice but to take serious measures . by the way, we have the capital in countries like malaysia. the old means that the policy makers came there to separate the different centers and transfer them to different places so that they can manage in this way. yes, exactly for this reason. mr. doctor, referring to it, we brought all the centers in tehran, that is, now you, tehran is the economic center, the economic capital, the administrative and political capital, the industrial capital, even the capital. and it is an academic, so what is the need for us to gather all the centralities in one place and then by gathering

all of these , they aggravate the problems that they create, we are in many countries now , countries that have almost culturally similar conditions to us. doing this experience and it was a successful experience , malizo has come. he separated his economic capital from his administrative capital and moved the administrative one or even türkiye has done this. pakistan has done this , it means that many countries have come to separate their administrative and political capital from the capital or economic center of their country. the reason is that they can divide the problem into smaller sectors and pieces that can be solved. when you gather all the centers in one place, regardless of the territorial capacities, you can no longer manage it. now, my point is this, after all, it is true that

the statistics indicate that the population growth rate in tehran is slower and slower than in previous years. but we do not consider the changes in commuting patterns in that is, is commuting and moving now the same as 30 years ago? when we say that the population growth rate in tehran has slowed down, in tehran, when we take into account the changed patterns of movement , we see that not only has it not slowed down, but it has also increased. all population centers around tehran become. centers where the dormitory is yours and the day residents must be mentioned in tehran, and

a high percentage of them work and their activities are followed in tehran, so there is a very significant gap between the daytime population and the night population of tehran, which is partly due to the issue of movement patterns. change he has found the meaning of these statistics in terms of changing commuting patterns. the answer is something else . the student actually approves my request , which means the policy of decentralization, the introduction to the transfer of the capital, which means you will take measures that will lead to controlling this inflation. it is the most serious thing that we have to do. unfortunately, we are moving in the direction of the photo, because all our vectors are not the same

, we study every image we make, the studies of the illustrated urban collection of tehran in 2013, which presents the management of a cloth in this land and even the model of presenting models of the management of a cloth to level my cabinet, but we can see that during that period, tehran and alborz had 11 governorates and 30 cities, now it has about 22 governorates and 53 cities, which means that not only did we not move in the direction of managing a fabric , but we moved in the direction of the picture . you can tell me more serious news. the discussion of becoming sustan means the division of tehran province . it means the destruction of the country's divisions, the destruction of regional administrations that are directly involved in this focus. it will be like moving in the direction of the picture

until you align these vectors. we managed, we did not create a fabric for ourselves i myself am saying that all the components that are in the government and have a role in their decisions are not coordinated , any action of this kind, like moving the capital , will not go anywhere. mr. doctor, you mentioned the studies that were conducted in 2002, for example, a serious question arises that should these studies remain only as studies or should there be implementation measures of the method, after all, if the studies are supposed to be the source of the effect and the measures executive serious about studies and to agree with those studies, well , action should have been taken, as we saw, unfortunately, in the years

you mentioned, these actions remained only for study and research . let's not put a pre-designed answer on the table, but based on the possibilities, based on the studies you just mentioned and all these later studies. shun and their direction is in the direction of not concentrating in this area, so let's move in that direction. you see , it has been passed by the parliament for years. in 1392, we had a resolution in the honorable parliament to approve it. the general plan of transferring the capital city in 1394 was approved by the majority and it

remained the same since 1394 without any action. and we see that tehran's problems are getting bigger and bigger every day. now, whenever you look at previous years, for example, you will see that whenever the weather gets a little cold, we face issues related to air pollution, a few drops of rain fall , we face issues related to traffic and movement in tehran, and finally studies should be passed from the study phase and go into action. if we are going to have the lack of concentration of all events in tehran, then this is it the lack of concentration must start from somewhere that we can't say no, for example, we found in the studies that all this should be managed in such a way that it doesn't get concentrated in one place, but when we want to enter the implementation phase, we have to say no now, if we implement it, for example, there will be a problem. it will not be solved, the problem will get worse.

student, you yourself are the secretary of the supreme urban planning council. all the approvals of the supreme urban planning council are based on studies, and these studies are no longer studies when they are approved by the supreme urban planning council . it is legal and binding. kilometers he is taking tehran, in the first month of his administration , he violated this law , he did not violate the study again, the study is for what we should do and what actions should be taken in the order of causation that you say, see the study, you pointed out the right point in 2013 the issue of integrated management was resolved first by unit management and then integrated management with amendments