he said: stay with us from the khabar network. the importance of elections in electing a strong parliament. the key is in the hands of the people. iranian coach, sharaf iran. telegram channel is playing across the country. why are you pricing this month? your question is an interesting question. we don't want to be a football manager. we do not agree with any kind of treatment. in their recent meetings, the leader of the revolution called real competition one of the important pillars of the election , which means that the field

should be open for the presence of different political, economic, and cultural views, so that all these currents with their different views can be one in the big election race. real competition have and achieve an active presence in the field. one of the topics that experts disagree on these days and there is a lot of discussion about it is that we should build small-scale houses. obviously, we are talking about houses below 50 meters. they agree that this is a work so that we can bring down the cost of housing. on the other hand, the opponents of building houses of this size mention cultural issues and say that if we build two to four houses , these houses will look very much the same. the price does not reach the people. be with us in the higher debate. well, here in the special studio

of the higher program, mr. omranzadeh, the head of the iranian islamic city think tank , opposes the construction of small-scale housing, and mr. tabatabai , the secretary general of the iranian urban economics scientific association , is present in the upper studio as a supporter of the construction of small-scale housing. i want to start with mr. omranzadeh and the question of what is your objection to the construction of these houses of this scale

. it is much easier for the government to provide land and its facilities and facilities, and most importantly, considering the economic conditions, both global and domestic, when there is easy access to small-scale housing, what should we do ? of course, these standards have definitely resulted in the reduction of projects due to such global standards. in one of the studies i did , i saw that in europe it used to be about 70 to 75 meters per capita, but now it is about 20 to 30 meters.

there is for each person, so it shows that according to the population density in big cities cities, centers and provinces, and on the other hand, the population trusts the cities in terms of employment and the availability of suitable economic opportunities compared to small towns and villages . well, the acceptance of small-scale housing will be much greater. thank you for your introduction , sir , and the most important the reason that the loved ones put forward is that yes, the cost of housing, its share in the household expenses basket has increased, and on the other hand, people have little access to housing. it's expensive, people can't

afford it, so what should we do? let's get a 25-meter small-scale housing, known as micro-apartments in the world, and make it available to the people. let's see, the main reason is the economic reason. well, first of all, i personally am completely against the 25-meter housing due to various social issues, social damage and cultural reasons . 25-meter apartments, which are generally said to be provided in the form of furniture rental, are available to people all over the world due to these features . what is 25-30% more expensive than the average apartments in the city? this is an economic reason. the next point is this. which is the same apartment

small-scale projects, which are proposed as a solution to actually solve the housing problem , will worsen the housing situation in the country. why and how do you see it, because more than 70% of the demand that exists in our housing market now is the demand for capital. that is , what do different people do in order to maintain the value of their money, in order to get more profit , they put their money into the housing market, what happens when 70 is in the market. currently, the demand for capital is the same capital demand, and the small capitals that go towards gold coins are presented on the housing market side, the high demand of this, in fact , small-scale houses, causes the price

of these houses to go up compared to the average of the region, and wherever it is built, the price of housing in that area of ​​rome will increase, which means we have to solve the problem. there is another problem created by mr. tabatabai . how much do you believe that housing prices will probably increase? this will definitely not happen , but it is subject to strict implementation policies . take care. right now, banks are very interested in the education they push in the field of housing. the faster it returns, the faster it will lead to the beginning the payments should be made as soon as possible and when. this happens, well, it is natural, the costs will definitely decrease, now there are projects such as national security or national action in the previous government or national housing in the previous governments, which

are actually facing many challenges and one of these the challenges are that these projects are, let's not say too much , significant, that is, projects from 70-80 meters to 10. it is 30 meters. again, locating and placing these , considering that there is not much land in the metropolis for this scale and for this community, well, accordingly , to the surrounding cities, to new cities and even worn-out textures may have caused this problem, it definitely increases the problem. i strongly disagree with mr. omranzadeh's point of view. the main reason is that when we are able to house people directly and when the banks are more willing, the money that is loaned to the bank goes back to the bank space of the so-called housing projects faster. for example

, let's assume that projects like national movement, national action and housing may take years to complete . he should do it until the project is ready , then he will come and clarify, anyway, the bank should make the payment step by step, but when you are in the field of small scale houses, now we don't say 25 meters, it may be small, small scale, 40 meters, 50 meters, this is proportional. the population of the area is the available land and other factors that exist in it or the issue. the activities of the service providers in this sector, namely water , electricity, gas, telecommunications, and water, which wants to be provided for these, the longer these projects are completed, now due to its area, due to the distance from the city , due to the location of these in terms of that shortage.

the land is in the cities far from the big cities, far from the centers and provinces, far from the places where jobs , employment, economy, circulation and conditions are better. it is better. well, the cost of these will increase . what is the requirement for us to come, considering that we want to bring the standards to such standards or to give them a bigger house anyway? what is the requirement to delay the project so much? let's do it and we will see that now the banks are withdrawing, not directly but indirectly because they want to supply money , they are worried about when the money will be returned anyway. banks should be the answers of their shareholders, but when he sees that he can own an apartment of 30-40 meters for example with 550 tomans, he can confirm 100d of education, it is not necessary to confirm for example 30-50% of education. thank you, mr.

omranzadeh, mr. tabatabai , for pointing out two or three points, i should point out two or three points. we have a lack of land. it is a wrong statement that we have been told for years that we have a land problem. look at us there is no land problem for construction in the country.

a lot of work, a lot of our upstream documents are not in operation, we have to accept this, we say no in many departments, in some departments. we had many places. i have seen that in many cities , especially new cities , there are seemingly pristine and ready lands and facilities and all these conditions, but when we go to implement the project, we see that the service provider does not come. why do they say, sir, assume from here? the pipeline has passed. your topic , we will start your discussion from the big cities. in my big cities , we are exactly the same tunnel of tawheed. types of crossings and it can be said that parallel and non-parallel intersections mean

that we do not have a smaller task than this, that in order to implement this, which is apparently a simple plan, we are involved in the service provider, we have the pipelines , we have water, electricity, gas, and other issues like this. such as those who face a delay in the implementation of the project, that 's why there is a document, we are the owner of the urban development program in tehran. and the level that our cities and villages are actually

occupying 1% means that we do not have any land problems in our country, and in my opinion , this is an excuse that some people put forward in order to gain their own profit. now you brought up the issue of banks. banks are not willing to state their education. yes, look at the banks themselves . you want us to solve the housing problem through banks. banks are now doing business in the field of housing . saying that, sir, the banks make mistakes, they commit fraud, if you remember , you know, but i am a banner saying that the banks make mistakes, they commit fraud, one day they will remove this , but not you, the problem is a part of the housing problem in our country. this is that large economic enterprises, places like banks. the coming and going of our company to 17 banks in the country, there are more than 80 active companies in

the field of housing. why should a bank come and invest in the field of housing, bring its money into the field of housing and make the problem worse day by day? it can't be solved in the same national part. you go and see why the banks don't take loans because of the conflict and interest of the bank, and when it gives facilities to solve the housing problem of the people , it loses itself. basically, the banks have no desire, so far. from the ministry of roads and urban development.

many of us with the same facilities of different banks we came to the breakfast room. you asked what happened. it means no. but in practice, they are helping in the document of amish and in many of the upstream documents . i will use a very simple example . can you

give an example of this issue in semi-arid areas? now in many provinces, including tehran. tehran annually, tehran annually between 30 and 36 cm, there may be subsidence in some places. let us densify , build a 25-meter house, and increase the density of the city. let's do it. well, the reason for this is subsidence. you see, we have many suitable and favorable spaces for this purpose . the fabric space is assumed to be a good space . this density is in the worn-out fabric. when the worn-out fabric has water, it has gas, it has facilities. what is the requirement? we will go to the outskirts of the cities, but we will come. we say that we should use all the capacities, i.e. marginal cities , new cities are good, worn-out structures are good, many lands that are back and in which construction capacity can be created should be used, but the requirement to build large housings in this current situation inflation

is at a jump in the world, not only in our country well, from the perspective of regional problems , from the perspective of international problems, from the perspective of economic damage , from the perspective of sanctions, and from the perspective of problems that sometimes arise in export and import, all these indicate that if we bring housing seriously small scale accessible and with 80 90 facilities. the one you have is not housing. let me tell you that what you said is not a house, it is not a house, my dear , don't take the title of the house, the title of the house, for the 25-meter nests. these are not ours, not you at all

. look, it should be clear that the scale is small, now you are involved. more recently, houses have been mentioned 25 meters, you say, small scale is worse , by the way, in the world, you should check colombia, brazil . houses with the same literature, with the same explanation as you put forward, also build 8 meter and 10 meter houses. don't you know that i will tell you the definition of a home once, a home is a place where the minimum and the first thing a house should provide is shelter, then this house should provide peace and well-being for the family and provide a safe place for the growth and upbringing of children. it's a house, look , i'm surprised they say that now their large houses are now 70, 80, 100 meters . now, the large houses are 70, 80 meters. you should check the 70-80-meter houses, that is, no

more apartments . let me check the studies that have been done for the social placement of the apartments. it has a direct correlation with the reduction of childbearing, disruption in family functions , i don't know, strengthening the isolation of family members in all kinds of social harms , which create psychological tensions for children. i don't know 25 meters, 30 your 20-meter houses will suffer these damages exponentially. now, it means that today you are actually proposing a solution for the housing problem, which seems to be the path to impoverishment of the people. entering and falling into the trap of mr. taaba tabaei is not a review , i think you are a review of the cultural damage and social damage that apartment living

has in iran now. and they said, sir, we made a mistake , we made a mistake recently in the country, if we don't really know, i have the same file, many articles have been written, which cause a lot of social damage. and there are many cultural damages to the houses in these apartments . now reduce the scale to one-third and one-fourth , what will happen? right now in south korea, small-scale housing is being implemented in singapore and yes , right now in japan . if we are accurate let's see what's going on in the world and really

have a global view. we accept that small-scale housing is one of the most important ways to get out of the current state of homelessness for some people . if we are looking for a solution, i will give you a solution. i would like to tell you the solution to serve you and dear people.

very high, we don't have any land problem in our country, even the many big cities that you check now, we read an urban program , that's our field, you don't have any land problem in the country, look at the root, if we are looking for a solution, look at the people. in fact, the address is wrong i don't see the housing problem right now. there are two problems , that is, there is no more solution. one is the issue of regulation . look at the housing market, the yale and rahaiye market. there is no control over the housing market . it's not like this in the world. you say, i don't know the world. go and check it yourself. this is the heart. the capitalism of the world is in america, what is happening in the issue of rent, in the issue of housing production. in america, a person who is building a house, for example, wants to make it 8 floors, the government comes and says that these 6 floors are our freedom , what do you want to build, why do you want to build it?

for example, he says that you should bring permission under the tenancy law, what does that mean, he will expropriate for the benefit of the people, and now he is coming to the side of these 25-meter houses , four of which are unsold, and they will enter the market for the demand of egyptian consumers, and they will offer the same conditions to the market. worse. there is no control, no supervision, no control. first of all, moslem wants to solve the problem. the government of the parliament has done a good job recently, but unfortunately it has not come to fruition. now you have started discussions from the parliament. it's a good law, but i don't know about following up on its implementation monitoring, where are the representatives now ? one of the questions that people can ask their representatives now is what did you do? when did you bring this law that was approved and you left it? i don't know the relevant minister, i don't know the relevant institution, the ministries that have duties to leave , and the assignments are written for them, not to cooperate

with the ministry of roads and urban development. let me explain. you are one sided . i am from the respected presenter . please take care of your time management . you have given your interpretation now. people's lands in the same areas of different cities , small towns, new cities and the outskirts of cities are being secured in different ways with different names. there is a problem in providing services. you are saying that the parliament is an example of a law, the law on sustainable revenues of municipalities approved in 1401. in july 2001

, this same law, in the section on the price of services, said the service providers should state what to do in the urban development plans . it is not you who is talking about upstream documents you talk about the law, you say that this law exists , but really, these honorable representatives, these different regulatory related departments, the legislators, should check to see which service providers have come to implement this law and in which departments to these housing departments, including the movement. national housing, which one comes with 100 free water, electricity and gas, and in a way, it can be said , what should all the service areas do? the length of the cost

of moving the lines of the lines of the service networks are paying for themselves, while that he should only give the money for the creation of money for his own control. what you are saying is the law. you are saying that it is the law of the upstream. well, these things should be followed or they should be carefully studied. this is an issue, so let's talk about the land. where is the land that is suitable for building a house? we want to build people's houses quickly and effectively and give them where it is from. on the other side of this issue of industrialization, which can sometimes be resisted, there is no trust in it, or maybe some people, i don't know under what name they are mafia, there are special networks, why don't they encourage people to go towards industrialization, that is, from welcome industrialization, while one of the people's concerns is that industrialization may not have sufficient standards, while this same industrialization

can have good enough standards. ok, because there are different supervisors, the engineering system is supervising, the technical councils of the provinces are supervising, the bodies in charge of construction are supervising and many related departments like this, so there must be a reality in the field of housing construction in cities. cities, we must go to the micro-apartment, if we don't go, we will face various failures we will face serious inflation. the banks that are willing to participate in this section will state upfront and even say america , say, say japan, like france, like germany, say sometimes 70, 80 to 90 to even 100, some have heard up to 120, that is, even the costs of their transfers and branches. many other expenses are covered by the banks through the consolation they give when he is ready to come, and when

the money reaches the bank faster. when people pay their bills faster, then what is the requirement ? let's go and give the project bandwidth, a project that we can collect in 6 months to a year, let's go for 5 years. it will take a long time, then the government will come later and criticize the previous one, then the next one will come and criticize the previous one . well, there is a lot of money, sir. i am really sorry now . you are saying that if we build 70-80 meter houses , it will take a long time. it is because of inefficiency , not dear. my brother, you should be careful, we are now before the government. currently, there was a government in office that didn't believe in building housing for 8 years . the president himself came on tv and confessed that the government has done nothing in the housing issue . rouhani with the ministry of mr i don't know if the mullahs put off the delay and believe in this model and believe in this

model, it was the hand of the capitalist market and economy, and it is actually in conflict with the public interest and the people's interest . mr. the root of our problem, why do we have a housing problem now that there are a few waves? they ride and want to make the conditions worse, housing, i don't know, the small scale of housing is 25 meters, at the other end, the commodification of land and housing means the most radical capitalist ideas . you don't accept the national land survey document, you say, i don't know, we don't have permission to give housing my servant and you said, let's leave my documents with their own people. they are seeing people coming from this city to that city in rafts. they see how much land we have in the country . the area of ​​our country is 48,000 square kilometers. 15% of our national documents are for residence.