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, in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful, the people of iran . hello, have a good time. we are proud to be at your service with another program higher than khabar sima. there are active schools in the country that are working in the education system of our country. these schools have been working with two schools since 47 years ago. and today their number has reached 700 schools with 130 thousand students . the way students enter these schools is similar to the entrance exam, and the students enter by giving an a they get into these schools through the entrance exam and continue their education in the first and second secondary level in these schools, but the establishment of these schools is faced with supporters and opponents from the very beginning. opponents of these schools

consider it far from educational justice, and its supporters believe that removing these schools is an injustice to students who have a higher iq. tonight, with the presence of two experts and former officials of the ministry of education , we will discuss this issue and explain the reasons for the supporters and opponents. please accompany us to the end here you are. well, first of all, i would like to introduce dear guests mrs. sarkar majrani, the former head of the national center for the development of brilliant talents, who we are serving, as a supporter of the construction of these schools, and mrs. sarkar hakimzadeh, the former deputy of elementary education of the ministry of education. opponents are present in this meeting, but

first my colleagues prepared a report of the opinions of those in favor and those opposed to this position . we will see this report together. talented schools, which are known as sampat among the cultural community, are gifted schools under the supervision of the national organization it is the cultivation of brilliant talents with the aim of improving the academic level of students. the precise concept of justice is to open the way for children who have more ability and merit to reach more valuable scientific positions, and these children are the ones that we we are trying to select and accept them in sampat schools. our selection for entering sampad schools is as accurate as humanly possible. mohammad hosni p. the main goal of education

is to create equal opportunities for learning, and special attention to children is contrary to this mission. maybe we have many talented kids in different regions who are deprived of such an environment and we do not have a proper mechanism to determine talents. at least the first 9 years of education in schools should be based on different skills, not just teaching concepts. hamid rahmani, former deputy of the year. in general, i agree with the activities of these schools, but the need for changes is evident, including the entry method and educational matters and the education of students in sampa schools. at present, the training is mostly spent on memorization and lessons and less on skill-learning research. it is possible to hope that these schools will be fully implemented if the plan to identify top talents, or the meteor, reaches its full implementation stage their goals have come close. azizullah babli, head of

tehran city counseling center: schools should be a place to live, have fun and play, create schools that are only for teaching subjects. in addition to creating tension for the students' morale and putting them under pressure, this separation also takes away their ability and social skills. in these schools, students are taught concepts that they will not need. each of the children of normal schools, if they are placed in such an educational environment and given such facilities, maybe they will be more successful academically. let them be the master angel. the university is necessary for special students because of individual differences and the amount of learning that differs between students, but the important thing is, what kind of education and skills are basically given to the student?

what will this atmosphere of heavy competition and mental pressure from the family and society bring to the mental health of these children in the future? in addition, schools have found a way to identify talent and attract these talents. by other countries, we find talent, but do we train him to serve the country? ali zafarshan is an expert in the field of education according to the research conducted by the national elite foundation, which led to the presentation of the national elite document in 2010 , any kind of education was rejected. according to this research, education should be in the natural environment with all the characteristics and any labeling should be avoided. the lack of social skills, the desire to eliminate the competitor due to the intense competitive environment, the waste of social capital is one of the plagues of this method of education. well, we have seen the report, ms. ekimzadeh, if you allow us to start from the work of ms. majrani.

mrs. majrani, basically, why should gifted students be separated and engaged in other schools get an education in the name of allah, the most gracious, the most merciful , i offer greetings and courtesy to the great people of iran. and i congratulate you on the days of rajab and sha'ban, which, god willing, we will all be able to use them. the fact is, let me first make a statement about the philosophy of these schools, why these schools were started at all. the story of these schools goes back to the beginning of the cold war, that is, when russia actually gave a big shock to the western world with the launch of sputnik and said that it achieved many achievements in the fields of basic sciences and engineering. this caused the west he felt that he had to do something and so he took action to be able to, in other words, with the approach of policy-making, with the approach of the goal of politics and

with this approach, he came to the direction of wanting to be able to reach specific political, economic, and military goals. the title looked at a way to achieve these goals, and naturally, with this view , brilliant original schools were opened all over the world. these schools were opened in 5 cities in the world, one of those cities was in tehran. of course, these schools were very rare until they gradually spread i found and the number and digit that you said actually arrived, sorry, i think that about. greetings, courtesy and respect to mr. governor , your respected colleagues and all the viewers of the program , and greetings to the guests of the program

. after what happened, there was no committee of level experts to create gifted schools. first , it was formed in the united states, and as a course, the subject of progressivism, child-centered, and learner-centered in the order the task was to relate the backwardness of the american education system to the fact that we should invest in returning to the basics, i.e. basic basic skills and strengthening these skills in the entire american education system . it goes back to long before the cold war and those debates that are used to identify students, so i think that we should be a bit more careful in that historical narration. now if this is the case, it is interesting to know that russia is there is no discussion of separation and gifted schools, but schools

talented people have been created in accordance with it , the creation of tishoshan schools in america goes back to that competitive spirit that is affected by that capitalist and class society that continues to this day. the bases are formed, which include all. and there is a fundamental revision in the curriculum of american schools, which, of course , will be revised again after two decades, and the nation in danger report shows that zero focus on this issue cannot improve the american education system . you say a failed experience is it other countries? anyway, there is no doubt that if we want to have a view of the society, mentioning this history cannot indicate that this movement.

it is that this serious issue of science serving power is a very serious matter and it is not a joke. science is serving power . science is serving the economy. it is a very, very serious issue . today, look

at all the scientific achievements of mankind that are building the economy, and we cannot ignore this issue. let's take a look, i was about to say this , but i was actually interrupted. these schools were formed after some time. you can see the formation of the olympiads in parallel with mahazat. 199 the first where in the eastern bloc does the olympiad take place? in fact, it did not participate until before the revolution, because the former regime actually refused to allow us to participate in events that resemble communist and socialist approaches , but that's what i mean. this approach is because it can be done from the beginning with the approach that we have today, they say that the future of the talent war is completely on the same path, but

we must keep in mind that in order to achieve a goal according to the policies that exist must have different strategies or strategies if iran's education economy was like finland's education economy, we would say yes, no to separation , but our capabilities today have nothing to do with its economy or some other countries. in my opinion , we should discuss the scientific basis, not actually pointing to some political events. well, these have been the policies to say, well, for example, what was the identification with or not? i think that connecting the issue of talent. derakhshan is not related to the economics of education and in general i agree that we should go back to the

educational basis that exists for this discussion. you can discuss the issues , you can talk about the economy, you can talk about politics, the cold war , you can talk about this in the service of power, and then you related it to the issue of sympathy, and then you actually justified samad. i am asking you to allow it. let's focus on prayer. that is, they assume that we need separation

and say that because our education is not strong enough from an economic point of view to provide these conditions for everyone, we have no choice but to separate a group in your high school . the reality is that if we had the possibility to have students with needs in our classes special means a physically disabled student as much as possible or let's accept him as a normal student and let's see his tissue side by side . who can deny that this was much better, of course this was much better. they learn to interact, they learn to live, they learn to get along, but we don't have the possibility. this is a fact. look, the economy, i emphasize and give weight to the economy. i am correct, mrs. majrani. i am going back to my first question. you assume one main thing , then you say the rest. i say, for example, why do we need to separate their intelligence and give them cheaper services? why? because we

want to serve the talented among the others. as friends emphasize the word justice , by the way, it is the same thing as justice , which is the same as equality, that is not justice, that justice is that everyone should give justice in his own place. we have a duty to give all people the same level of educational facilities, of course we have this duty, but if the economy of education. it allows us to let's keep these in one class together. yes , let's do this, but can we, because we can't , we have to change the strategy. doctor, i think that the connection you make between the economy and the reason for the existence of these schools is part of the reason. there is the most barbarous argument that can be brought, the least is that when you

look at the literature on the subject, there are supporters and opponents of this issue, which are not limited to iran. we experienced it. well, at that time, we were segregated. did we go to segregated schools? i think that dividing the issue into parts will lead us astray, if allowed. let me tell you my reasons why you should look at the education system holistically, why education is a right and why

there should be a place called school, why children should go to school. everyone should register why we should have 100 academic coverage. reach excellence and be educated. i want to rely on the concept of education, because the foundation of fundamental transformation relies a lot on education . that create social cohesion it is one of the very important functions of the school that when we separate

, it disrupts this cohesion and convergence in the society, and one of the other very important things is that the school is a place where children learn skills. they learn social skills. one of the biggest damages caused by corona and which was noticed by many countries, which led to the reopening of schools , was the disruption in the development of social skills. children learn together because of this. you see, after a period of identification , we have to separate 2 categories of ram one is to identify and pay attention to superior talents and one is to separate superior talents. what is scientifically acceptable and defensible is that yes, people have individual differences and their learning speed may be different from each other. therefore, it is very good that our educational environments, our curriculums can pay attention to this difference , but in an inclusive environment, something that yes they can

, yes they can, can our schools do this now? an example is what happens to the children you choose for being gifted. this scenario, but allow me, because the doctor raised it, see what happens to the children who are now selected for tiz bushan . the proof of many of my students, who are now my students at tehran university and are in tis, are many lessons that they really put aside the lessons of life, they focus on studying at all. that they can take the entrance exam and these are women's courses, the courses you are allowed to study in sebol, other children are also in other schools. ratio.

in fact, the result of our work means that if they did not go through this process, they could not actually enter the top fields, well, if this was achieved , and if they could not, they could not go to normal schools, well , despite all the injustices against public schools. it is possible , and unfortunately, the wrong labels that are put on them, if they could not really study like many children in normal schools and find a way to enter, which case are we talking about?

the fact is that

there is a problem with the problem of identification tools, there is no problem, we can talk to each other and fix it together. the issue of denial is that if someone denies , it means that he is turning his back on everything that should happen in childhood, but a way must be found. i feel the truth because friends cannot find a way. they are erasing the face of the problem and this is a mistake. we cannot ask for an elite system, but we do not want sympathy. we cannot follow this event. i know we want computer science , we want cognitive science, but we don't want empathy, we can't this system is connected to each other, my friends , science policy making in the world today is my name. pali migging says that the goal of strategy policy is how to achieve this goal. well, when we don't have the possibility , we don't have a good way. this is where the difference of opinion

is when they say that the way is wrong . it worries me, i think that the doctor has a completely negative education from one point of view. this is because they think that if we do not separate the children, that is, if they study in these schools , something very unfortunate will happen to them.

misfortune will happen. when the elites like shahid chamran go to school , they were segregated because the leading educational systems in the world, not the american system, whose general education system is not successful at all, as evidenced by numerous researches and the ranking of international tests, are they separated? kenan and they have very good scientific achievements, but what is the basic assumption of separation that we think that if we separate these children? they conclude that if we don't separate, what is the result we get is that they take entrance exam, this is the result that if they go to public school, this will happen to them. it doesn't work, of course, if these are tisosh, this is actually the answer to that question, mr. excuse me, mr. shayan , i am afraid. look what happens. do you think that 30 students go together , enroll in a first class, and spend 6 years together in this school? above, no one

had tried these before, and they all get the same results. after that , he is forming his character right in the most sensitive period that is really decisive, and we were supposed to focus on education, on the document of the fundamental transformation of full-time education, it is a wrong competition with very wrong tools for them let's say that in the name of allah, the most merciful, you should go and compete with each other. from my side, these different institutions. then we will tell the others that these two of you were accepted , didn't they come together until the 6th grade, if they were very special through this test, then these 6-year-olds should

have been wasted next to these children, they would not have come up again. then we come at an age that is not acceptable from a scientific point of view, we separate these things, that we enrich them, that we create a favorable environment, and then one more thing , do you know that there is a discussion of excellence in all demographic groups, including minorities? there is in there are bilinguals, there are in the villages , there are in the hint , there are those servants of god who do not have the money for these classes, they do not have access to them, is this against justice? it's not that we ignore them and separate some students who are from wealthy families and can spend a few million hours to prepare and then what happens when 30 students are together. we say that one of them scored better in the test. i am surprised that i have the report of his last report about such an anti-educational work and completely wrong from the point of view of my assessment.

history. this is what we do when we go to take a test