the program has changed, god willing, it will be beneficial to attend the finals, let's go to the news of the asian weightlifting championship, the silver medal of the 81 kg weightlifting team went to the representative of iran. in this competition hosted by uzbekistan, which is being held this morning , in the 81 kg category, abdullah biranon won the silver medal in one stroke by controlling the weight of 154 kg, but he failed to win the medal in two strokes. our country participated in these competitions with seven male and female weightlifters. thank you for your company. today, wednesday, the 18th of bahman, the 26th of rajab and the 7th of february in tehran, sunset at 17:00 azan maghrib time drops to 56 minutes and city midnight at 23:30. thank you very much for your support. we will go

to the higher election program and the performance of my colleague mr. bozharb. in the name of god, thank you, dear colleague , mr. tehrani. greetings and respect to all the special viewers of the higher election program. we should have central and eastern iran or not, you know that it has always been a debate in the past years. the transfer of water has many supporters and opponents, from local people to experts and government officials the news of the importance of elections in electing a strong parliament, the key is in the hands of the people, the iranian coach sharaf iran has a telegram

, you are a special viewer of the election program , the leader of the revolution in recent meetings called the real competition one of the important elements of the elections , which means that the field is for the presence of the views of different political, economic and cultural issues should be open so that all these currents can have a real competition with their different views in the big election contest and register an active presence in the arena . the government died.

even economic experts, water experts , energy experts have different opinions on whether or not we should transfer water from the sea to the central plateau to the east of the country . the main goal for us to make it inhabitable is to provide water for industries, and besides that, to provide drinking water, so that our industries can have life there, and we can have economic prosperity , for example, if we have water transportation. we do reverse migration at the borders to make it habitable , of course, they also say the goal of the project is that it will bring security along with it. the second point on the other side is that if this happens , we will come and have water supply in this way for the cities that have water problems right now. it can create a false attraction in order to express other industries and in those provinces that already have water problems with water transfer. the issue of their water will be resolved, a

false attraction will be created to intensify this industry again , this problem will continue in a vicious cycle , now the issue is how we can desalinate water. let's use it. how much is the cost of water there and how much are we spending? basically , is it economical or not? the topic of the debate is this part of the program. i invite you to stay with us until the end. thank you. here in the special studio of the higher program, mr. mousavi, an energy expert, and mr. asadi, another energy expert , are present, and as opponents and supporters, naturally, mr. mousavi is present in the program as an opponent of water transfer, and mr. asadi is in favor of transferring sea water to the plateau. central and eastern iran are present in the program and we will debate together, but before to enter into our discussion and start the debate, i want

to invite the report prepared by my colleagues in the energy group of the radio and television news agency to go and see together and start the debate. mehrddad haj zovar, a member of the iranian consulting engineers society and an energy expert, today paying the full price of water supply and transportation is one of the necessities of the country in all three sectors of agriculture, industry, and syrup. in a situation where the industries themselves are interested in investing and paying the real price of water supply and transfer. not only this important thing should be supported but also a necessary introduction to it creating regional water markets and paying the true value of the commodity. it will be as valuable as water. massoud amirzadeh, energy expert. the plan to transfer water from the sea is unjustified due to the lack of transparency in the financial model. in addition, it causes extensive damage to the environment at the time of production and exploitation . this plan

is compatible with demand-oriented policies and climatic conditions. maryam ardem, an expert in charge of sea water transfer projects in the ministry of energy. use of sea water resources for supply. the water needs of the industry in the areas located in the hinterland of the southern coast of the country, the central plateau, the eastern strip of the country and the islands as well according to paragraph 120 of the land development document, providing drinking water to these areas is one of the necessities of the country's development. the support of the national document of land preparation for sea water transfer projects with an environmental assessment is a cross-sectoral approach. daneh kar, environmental expert, establishment of facilities and crossing. transmission lines from sensitive and vulnerable areas at the source and route lead to threats and fragmentation of the country's wildlife habitat. this issue is contrary to paragraph six of the country's general environmental policies. due to the difference in the height of the origin and the destination

, the transfer of desalinated water to the central plateau requires high energy consumption, which leads to an increase power plant activities and emission of polluting gases and suspended substances. air and emissions become more carbon. more air pollution reduces the possibility of atmospheric precipitation. like what we saw this year in all parts of the country. ehsan ansari, water and energy expert. due to the daily development of the country's water needs, especially in the industry and mining sector, and due to climate changes and the occurrence of a new year and the reduction of water resources. it is available to use the water resources of the seas and oceans as a huge source of desalination and desalination, taking into account economic considerations , it can be a very suitable source for meeting the needs blue especially in coastal areas. hamid reza

ramezani, an energy expert of the parent industry , was recruited in water-deprived provinces based on the regional ecological potential of definition and establishment. they have not been found, and since we in iran do not believe in the document of territorial planning and taking into account the environmental capacity , then transferring water between a basin from the persian gulf and the oman sea to seven provinces will not achieve the goal of anything other than unbalanced development. yes , we saw the report together. it was a review of the opinions of the supporters and opponents of transferring sea water to the central and eastern plateau of the country, mr. mousavi, who is an expert. you are basically against you where does it come from inter? with greetings, politeness and respect, mr. bozornaseb , the program host and dear guest, mr. engineer asadi, and the viewers who

are watching this program, thank you for inviting us anyway to be of service to you, please see that we should start from here, that just now, before the start of our program , we had a conversation with mr. asadi, that i thought 20% of the water transferred to mashhad would be used for drinking, he said no, mr. mousavi, the opposite of us. at this moment , our information is extremely confused, we don't know how many millions, we really don't know. i am one of them i am an experienced water expert in this country and i have access to information, but we still do not know how many these lines are. how many millions, for example , will go to south khorasan, how much, for example, for sharba, how much for mining , so the first problem for us is that we do not have accurate information. now the implementation of this plan

is at your disposal, and your company, vasco , should tell us this anyway. now , how many minutes do i have? i want to tell you some basics, i am giving you this map let me show you, if possible, yes, see here, this map shows the central plateau, this yellow color of the central plateau. it means that the purpose of the water transfer system is to bring water to the central plateau. the central plateau has an underlying problem, which means that the problem cannot be solved with 50 million, 100 million, 1 billion, 2 billion and so on. notice that i have written some numbers here. i wrote that khorasan razvi has consumed 35 billion cubic meters of water that belongs to future generations, that is, us. now we owe 35 billion cubic meters to the future generation in razavi khorasan, we owe 30 billion cubic meters in kerman and to

in the same way, in the central plateau , we owe 130 billion cubic meters to the future generations, that is , water that is non-renewable . we are adding unexploited underground water sources, but this process continues . now, our dear friend mr. engineer osodi , we are sincere to him anyway , he is a more respectable manager. for example, he says that now they want 350 million cubic meters to take to mashhad. we assume that you will see 350 million, it will be 35 billion, 1%. now, if we say that you want to solve the problem of khorasano , he will say, "no, i don't want to solve the problem of sherbo, i want to solve the real problem of the province. i want to solve the problem of industry and mining. for example

, this is the discussion. my next point is necessary at the beginning of this program." let me tell you that if we are against the transfer of water, we are never against zero and one, that is , we do not say that the entire transfer of water should be transferred from the sea or the entire transfer of abad. well, look at the issue of zabul. it is an exception at all, that is, zabul is a socio-economic security issue. we completely agree, and so do our colleagues. they were also the first to announce that we agree to transfer water to zabul, so zabul is a separate issue, and the one that is at the edge of the sea, we agree. the distance from zero to the edge of the sea to pasgarane is up to 50 km to 200 km. we agree. why should we disagree? we say, in any case, this blessing of god should be used, not only 3 billion or

4 billion, at all 10 billion like saudi arabia , sweeten the water, but settle the beaches and settle the backwaters, but if you take the water deep, take it to isfahan, take it to mashhad. take it to yazd and later semnania too, say we want water, that's it they will take the pipeline to shirazia now , tell me. i want a pipeline , i don't know, ghazvin says i want a pipeline, tehran says i want two pipelines, the whole desert from the south to here, 20 to 30 to 40 pipelines up to the 145 horizon, we are very much against this. thank you, mr. esadi, what do you think? well, in the name of god, with mr. mousavi, in the name of god, the most merciful , i say hello to your excellency and the honorable people of iran. we thank mr. mousavi. and hello, we would like to inform you about water transfer projects from the sea

a detailed information should have been given, as mr. mousavi pointed out, we are not aware of the amount of water transferred from your service. if you allow me, i will take a brief detour to the sea water transfer plans and then, god willing, we will enter into the discussion , god willing. at the end of the 10th administration, the 11th and 12th administrations , which are currently being implemented, the first line is the line that was completed last year, and the line is 820 km long and will transport 130 million cubic meters of water to hormuz provinces. kerman, yazd, and this line is now in operation and the water has reached ardakan, yazd, with the aim of

supplying water to large industries such as golghar national copper co., iran. it is located in sarcheshme and chadormelo, well, now this line has been put into operation and part of the problem of drinking water has been solved. the second line, parallel to this line , was started in mr. raisi's government and has started working. it has more than 15% physical progress, the volume of transferred water is 200 million cubic meters per year, which i would like to offer you at a cost of over 130 hemats. in fact, the budget required for this line is the third line, the isfahan line, which carries water from the oman sea for 920 kilometers. it will be transferred to isfahan and has an estimate of the cost of 115 hemti. this is the fourth line project, which is the east mossom corridor line, from the provinces of sistan-baluchestan with priority. sistan baluchistan

, south khorasan and razavi khorasan, the length of the main line is 1,342 kilometers, with the desalination complex at the foot of the line, and along the line, about one billion cubic meters of water is desalinated and transferred to these three provinces. the estimated cost is about 160 it is possible that now the physical progress of this project is about 14%. the whole project and 24% is in sistan baluchistan province , which is currently being implemented with 29 contractors . if you want, we will explain more about this project . 900 km the final phase is 200 million cubic meters, the first phase

is 95 million cubic meters, with an estimated cost of 40 hemets, which is more than 19% progress. in fact, this is the general outline of the plan that you can see if you connect sarkh to khorram shahr, according to the ministry of energy's own studies, until 1450, 2 billion cubic meters below this, in qatar, iran, we have a shortage of drinking water and industry. i mention the lack of water. this is actually the study of the ministry of energy , which has actually been studied. the current ones that are being implemented transfer a total of 775 million cubic meters of water based on the same lines that have been defined. in fact, it will transfer 2 billion cubic meters for its first and final phases . what is the reason for your agreement and why you defend these plans? in response to mr. as you have pointed out, our country is one country

it is dry and semi-arid. according to the past decades, we faced many droughts and our industries were also affected by this drought. well , the underground water level has gone down a lot in these areas and a population alley has happened, in fact , the central plateau, especially in the east of the country, where the most affected provinces are south khorasan, south khorasan and sistan. it was in baluchistan that a huge population migration happened to the big cities and this transfer. the population is moving from the water-deficient provinces to the water-rich provinces, which in fact creates a social problem, while the industry itself has decided to solve the water problem of its own , mr. mousavi, what do you think about providing water to the industry ? and drinking water, they say that this work

was necessary. see, now i will continue my discussion, which was four minutes, to your service. anyway, every city can ask for a pipeline for itself, which is a tradition in our country, for example the provinces are saying that we also want petrochemicals , we also want a hundred, i don't know, we want a steel factory, this is what making friends and starting this mistake will create a culture where every city will say, i want a line. now where does the story come from? the 12th administration of the 12th government, mr. rouhani, will begin to start such a story that he said that we decided to not take millions of cubic meters of mining and industry discussions to the sea , to bring water to the materials and the 13th government as well. in fact , the continuation of the same means that now we are entering the yes debates

studying and this will become later, i mean, this story has been keyed since november 2019. now, i wanted to tell you that when this started , we have a principle in unesco, which says that the first principle of unesco says, did you go all the way to your destination, to compensate for the lack , the answer is no, we did not go, for example please see this chart. this chart says that in december 1402, we have a water deficit of 27%, that is, in the lines of our shahrimun network, 27%, for example, for example , in mashhad, if

anyway we the ministry of energy has studied it you don't need to study, now he says that i have a shortage of city networks, so what should i do now , see, my dear sir, this is mr. esdi , what we should do. there are different countries in these ways, we can easily reach 5% , that is, by informing the public, by installing equipment that reduces consumption, by recycling, we could do the work in mashhad or in isfahan , to say that we went to rome in these ways, mr. mousavi , you say this, but we didn't go those ways , how much do we use our water treatment plant in mashhad now? it was a discussion that i wanted to serve you in this case, we have flaws and

we have to do it . this outlier is actually the water that exists, so it should definitely be corrected as one of the solutions in fact. water is actually needed, but in the previous government, it was really late that the western government came to the conclusion that this plan was really good. in fact, this happened, the industry secretly implemented this line without much support from the government. in fact, the beginning of these projects started from the 10th government , that is, it

was started in the direction of the 10th government, the 11th government. doing this work for their own needs , a study was done to see the costs of transporting materials. mining is much higher towards the water, while in fact that balance of the population actually endangers the people's livelihood, while it has created a job in that area, this industry is that we have to save water, this is very true, but this is with . the burdens of compatibility with little by little that the previous government actually put forward these things, that we want to see the situation of sistan

baluchistan with these slogans now, because of these slogans, you can see what situation it has become, now herman has been cut off, there is no water, now there is a social problem for sistan itself. baluchistan had as well as south khorasan now mashhad we, who are dependent on hundred friends and use border waters, have the same issue. in any case, there is a shortage of water. you can't actually deny that there is no shortage of water in the discussion of saving. well, i think that by transferring sea water to these areas , the economy of the project will be created. the added value of water will actually be realized. so that everyone knows that this water must have a high added value for its use, whether in the field of industry, in the field of drinking , in the field of agriculture, even because our agriculture consumes the most water, if they know that this water has the economic value

of it can be transferred. this is the fact that a great thing happens in the consumption of the atmosphere, and it can actually be the basis of saving. we really have excessive consumption in all areas, whether it is water, electricity, gas, etc. they are consuming the gasoline that you see now at this price, and we agree. mr. mousavi's statement is not to point out that if this work continues, all the provinces will demand this, no, it is not like that at all, because it is with the plan, see the plans are with the plan, definitely see that we must bring water to the places where there is no water. it means that the system should do this , it is the right of the people to have water transferred, and now this population alley that has happened and the dignity of the people has been questioned in the suburbs in big cities like mashhad and yazd. and the different places where these are transferred should return to their own cities . this can happen with the transfer of water . when there is no water, mr. mousavi

, how do you want to adapt when there is no water ? those plans should be repaired and the 27 that you say should be implemented in fact, again with this process the happy year we have ahead of us, you in tehran , you can see how this winter was like this year , you see that the country is happy, you see, i would like to tell you that there is an executive regulation . this city has very interesting standards. the standard that belongs to the program organization belongs to the standard organization, which says how your priest's equipment should be, for example , the siphon that the standard tells us, the standard says 6 liters, are all the 15-liter siphons in mashhad or in isfahan? are gathered in the barracks in government centers, in mosques, in schools, they all

put consumption-reducing faucets . see, we are talking about whether you should do all these things , or, for example, recycling is required by the law, which says towers, barracks, i don't know, cities , stadiums, all of this should be a recycling system. where is recycling ? there is no recycling. we say that you should go to all these roads and see if there is enough. now i will tell you something else. they said that you should look at this map of industry and mining. all the mines that you this central plateau wants 188 million water . the water that the sangan mine or in mashhad wants is 16 million in total. what is the point of our dispute? if we take 100 million water, we will take 200 million water . we want a total of 16 million. for example, sangan mine, now we say million cubic meters of soil

removal. it doesn't consume so much that you want to take 300 million water to the point where, for example, the next point, mr. asadi , look, we have one in the mines , now the copper mine. i saw that he said millions of meters we do not say cube way. transport millions of cubic meters , which we say, do the processing in the mine, your factory should be there, mr. azdi , 90% of the water consumption is in the next stages, in the first stage where you process and then you reach the reduction stage, it does not require water at all. we say that you should do the initial work of your mine and transport the rest in the mine instead of building a pipeline, build a rail

, double your rail. take everyone to the seaside , the settlement in the central plateau will not go anywhere , this culture that you mean you, i mean the system that did this, this is finally the next. it will accumulate from 20 years to 50 years because we will not be against this warming of the air in the central plateau . there is a lack of water. no matter how much water you bring , you will see this number in the central plateau. mr. bozor, this is a population of 50 million and 15 billion water. we divide it into 300 cubic meters. normally, in order not to be involved in a severe water stress, the water per capita should be 1,000 meters , or 1,500 meters. we are in a very severe water stress or water crisis situation in the central plateau. we are, whatever pipeline we create, it is worse. you

see isfahan, isfahan has infrastructure , if you take water to isfahan, people will come to it like a hospital there is a road, it has entertainment centers , that is, isfahan, today, if 4 million reaches the line and you advertise and open, god willing , you will tear the flag and the so-called ribbon, people will flock to isfahan, thinking that the problem is solved , when the problem is solved. not in isfahan, 5 million, 4 million. it will reach 10 million, he says 10 million, i have brought 2 lines, mr. asadi will bring us another line, then it will be 4 lines, very well, we who are from qom, qom, now i myself heard that he wants to bring a water pipeline, semanano, i am sure that following the water pipeline, well, see tehran, tehran, 100 following the water pipeline will go, it's not like tehran saying i don't have water, only the pipeline, why because you use this theory that because of water shortage.