will work and the premier league of volleyball was followed by the defeat of foulad and the victory of shahtab and geti pasand. in the framework of the 20th week of this competition and in the important games of the leading team, folad sirjan experienced its fourth loss of the season at home and lost 3-0 to bayat tehran. shahtab yazd defeated its host pikan tehran by 31 and finished second in the table of 13 . the third-ranked gitti pasand also beat nian electronics of mashhad in isfahan 31 and won its 13th win. in other games in shahrvard , ardakan ifa seram 2/3 passed the hundred of melo. urmia municipality 0.3 in saipai qara gadaoli land gorgan pass won 31 times over harsan ramsar and gonbad municipality won 31 times more than its host like rafsanjan. thank you for hamlide.

today is thursday, 19th of bahman, 27th of rajab, 8th of february . zuhr call to prayer in tehran will be at 12:00 and maghrib call to prayer will be at 17:57. dear viewers , this is the end of this news section. thank you for your companion. have a good day.

the importance of elections in electing a strong parliament is the key, it is in the hands of the people, the iranian coach, sharaf iran , is playing with the whole country, why are you making prices in these six months? your question is an interesting question. in the board of directors of football players, we do not want any kind of gratitude . this means that the field is open for the presence of different political, economic and cultural views.

ok, so that all these currents can have a real competition with their different views in the big election contest and register an active presence in the field, one of the issues that as i told you, the issues that the experts of the people, government men, economic experts, water field experts, energy field experts disagree on is whether or not we should transfer water from the sea to the central plateau to the east of the country. opinion. pros and opponents the main reason for favors to transfer water is that we make it inhabitable, the main goal is to supply water to the industry, and besides that, to provide drinking water, so that our industry can survive there, to have economic prosperity , for example, if we are transferring water to borders we will do reverse migration and make it inhabitable. naturally, they also say that the goal of the invasion is that it will bring security along with the border. the second point on the other side is that if

this happens , we will come to provide water for the cities that are having water problems right now. if we have water in this way, it can create a false attraction for other industries to express themselves, and in those provinces that have water problems right now , their water issue will be solved by transferring water , and it will create a false attraction that this industry will intensify again. the problem is in a vicious cycle now the discussion is about how we use the water softeners and how much the water costs there. and how much we are spending , is it basically economic or not ? this is the subject of debate in this part of the higher program. i invite you to stay with us until the end. thank you, here in the special studio of the higher program, mr. mousavi, an energy expert, and mr. esadi , another energy expert of the program, are present. and as opposed to agreeing, naturally, mr. mousavi

is present in the program as an opponent of water transfer , and mr. asadi is present in the program as a supporter of sea water transfer to the central and eastern plateau of iran. we will debate together, mr. musa. you , who are a water expert , basically, where does your opposition to this plan come from? with regards, i am one of the most experienced water experts in this country, and i have access to information, but we still do not know how much water these lines will take, and how much. for example, a million goes to south khorasan , how much is it for sharba, how much is it for mining, so the first problem for us is that we don't have accurate information, this should be said , i will show you this map if possible. yes, look here. the color of the central plateau means intention anyway, the water transfer system is to bring water to the central plateau, the central plateau has a problem with the infrastructure, that

is , the problem cannot be solved with 50 million, 100 million, 1 billion, 2 billion and so on. look , i have a series of numbers here. i wrote that khorasan razavi has consumed 35 billion cubic meters of water that belongs to future generations, that is, we now owe the future generation in khorasan razavi 35 billion cubic meters, we owe 30 billion cubic meters in kerman , and in the same way, in the central plateau, we owe 130 billion cubic meters. we owe billions of cubic meters to future generations, that is, non-renewable water not only have we consumed renewable water, and we are adding one billion cubic meters of water per year, for example in mashhad, to this renewable water, to this deficit of non-renewable underground water resources, but this process continues in the same way, now our dear friend

mr. eng. in any case , we are sincere to them, they are more respectable managers. for example, they say that now they want 350 million cubic meters to take to mashhad. let's say 350 million, it will be 35 billion, 1%. now, if we say that you want to solve khorasano's problem, he will say that it is not me, that the problem is my shame, but that the problem is the real problem of the province. i don't want to solve it. i want to solve the problem of industry and mining. for example, this is the discussion. my next point is that i must tell you at the beginning of this program that if we are against water transfer, we will never be against it. we are not zero and one, that is, we are not saying that the entire water transfer should be transferred from the sea or the entire water transfer is fine. you see, the issue of zabul is an exception at all, that is, zabul is a social and economic security issue. we completely agree

, and so do our colleagues. they are also the first to announce that we agree to transfer water to zabul, so zabul is a separate issue. we agree, the distance from zero to the edge of the sea to pesgarane is up to 50 km to 200 km. we agree. why should we disagree? we say that this blessing of god should be used anyway, not only 3 billion or four billion. renovate and renovate posgraneh, but if you take the water , take it deep in isfahan. take it to mashhad , take it to yazd, and later semnania, tell them we want water , they should take a pipeline to shirazia, who are now going to shahrod, say i want a pipeline, then i don't know, ghazvin, say i want a pipeline, i am tehran. tell me, i want two pipelines

to make this entire desert desert from the south to here, 20 to 30 to 40 pipelines up to the horizon of 1450. we are against this . thank you very much, mr. asadi. what is your opinion? hello, i am at the service of your excellency and the noble people of iran. we are very grateful to mr. mousavi , and at his service, at your service . the sea water transfer projects include 5 major projects that are currently being implemented. the first line is the last year of the government . the 10th government started the 11th and completed the 12th . and the 820 km line is 130 million meters long the cube transports water to hormozgan provinces , kerman, yazd, and this line is now in operation, and the water has reached ardakan, yazd, with the aim of supplying water to

a large industry such as golghar national copper of iran . ripe exploitation and sector. he solved the problem of drinking water . the second line parallel to the same line was started in mr. raisi's government, and it had a physical progress of over 15%. the volume of transferred water is 200 million cubic meters per year, which i would like to offer you at a cost of 130 hemats. in fact, the budget required for this line is the third line of the isfahan line, which is from the sea. oman transfers 920 kilometers of water to isfahan and has an estimated cost of 115 meters. this is the fourth line project, which is the east corridor line of mosman, from the provinces of sistan-baluchestan, with the priority of sistan -baluchestan, south khorasan, and khorasan-razavi, the length of

the main line is 1,342 km. we have 450 km of insha abad, the capacity to transfer 230 million cubic meters per year for the first line, for the final phase, with the desalination complex at the end of the line, and along the line, about one billion cubic meters of water will be desalinated and transferred to these three provinces. the cost estimate that has been done is about 60 per cent, which is the physical progress of this project it is about 14% in the whole project and 24% in sistan baluchistan province, which is currently being implemented with 29 contractors. if you want , we will explain more about this project . the construction is done for a length of 900 km. the final phase is 200 million cubic meters, the first phase

is 95 million cubic meters, with an estimated cost of 40 hemets, which has a physical progress of over 19%. this is actually the general plan that you can see if you connect sarkh to khorram shahr based on the ministry's own studies. our power until 145 is 2 billion cubic meters below this in fact, in qatar, iran, we have a shortage of drinking water and industry, i am pointing out. this is actually the study of the ministry of energy, which has actually been studied, the projects that are being implemented now will transfer a total of 775 million cubic meters of water, based on the same lines defined for the first phases and the final district phase , actually 2 billion meters the cube will transfer . what is the reason for your agreement and why you defend these plans? in your answer to mr. b, your excellency , you mentioned very well that our country

is a dry and semi-arid country. according to the past decades, we have faced many droughts and our industries. also due to this drought being affected, well, the underground water level has gone down a lot in these areas and a population alley has happened in the central plateau, especially in the east of the country, where the most affected provinces are ostad. it was south and south khorasan and sistan baluchistan that a huge population migration happened to the big cities and this transfer of population from provinces that are actually low in water to provinces that are actually rich in water actually creates a social problem in addition to the industry. they decided to solve their own water problem, mr. mousavi , what do you think about supplying industrial and drinking water? say that you need to see this work . now i

will continue my discussion, which was four minutes long. we want petrochemicals, we also want a dam, i don't know, we want a steel factory, this is what making friends and starting this mistake will create a culture that every city. tell me, i want a line . now, where does the story begin, mr. bozor , around november 15, 1391, the 12th government, mr. rouhani, started such a story that he said that in order not to take millions of cubic meters of mining and industry discussions to the sea, we decided to bring the water to the sea, and the 13th government is actually continuing the same. i mean, now we are entering the discussion of studying and this will come later

, i mean, we started this story from november 2013. now , i wanted to tell you that when this started, we have a principle in unesco, which says that the first principle of unesco says, do you at your destination, you went all the way to compensate for the shortage. the answer is no, we didn't go. now i will give you an example. look at the graph. this graph says that 27% of us have blue spots in december 1402. we have a water deficit, that is, in the lines of our city's networks, 27. for example, in mashhad, if we have 300 million cubic meters of drinking water now, if we fix this deficit, we will have 100 million 70 million water in our hands. we would not need so much. let's spend it. now he says that

the ministry of energy has already studied it, and that we don't need to study it. now he says that i , who have many networks in the city, what should i do now? different countries take these paths, we can reach 27 percent to 5 percent, that is, with public awareness, with the installation of equipment that reduces consumption, with recycling, we could do the work in mashhad or in isfahan. let's say that we went to rome in these ways, mr. mousavi, you are saying this, but we did not go in those ways, how much do we use our house now in mashhad, this was the discussion that i wanted to serve you, that we have shortcomings in this matter anyway. and we have to do it , mr. asadi, do you accept it?

most of the industry is actually located in the mining areas. it is from the cities, which means, in fact, this is far away, in fact, the water that exists, well, this should definitely be corrected, it is one of the solutions, in fact, obtaining water is actually needed, but in the previous government , the western government really came to the conclusion that this plan was really good. it was special that the first line was being implemented against the opposition of the shahid of the ministry of energy and the minister himself. the ministry of energy, in fact, this happened, the industry secretly implemented this line without much support from the government . the start was towards the 10th government, the 11th government, yes , the beginning of these plans

were the 11th, 12th and 12th governments, but the industry was without the intervention of the government, without the support of the position. it is okay for the government to do this for their own needs , a study was done to see that the cost of transporting minerals to water is much higher. in addition, in fact, that population balance actually endangers the people's livelihood, as implied by the fact that a

southern ash-khorasan is now our mashhad, which is dependent on a hundred he has a friend and he uses the border waters . he also has the same issue. anyway , there is a shortage of water. you can't actually deny that there is no shortage of water. in the discussion of saving, i think that by transferring sea water in these areas, the economy of the project is created , the added value of water itself. in fact, it is so that everyone knows that this water must have a high added value for its use, whether in the field of industry , in the field of drinking, or in the field of agriculture, even because our agriculture consumes the most water, if they know that this water has its economic value is transferred this is, in fact, a great thing

happened in the atmosphere of spending, and it can actually be the foundation of saving. we really have excessive consumption in all areas, whether it is water, electricity, gas, or gasoline. you see, at this price, they are consuming indiscriminately, and we don't agree with the statement of mr. mousavi, who pointed out that if this work continues, all the provinces will demand it, no , it is not like that at all, because it is according to the plan. see, the plans are definitely according to the plan. you see, we have to transfer water where there is no water, that means the system should do this it is the right of the people to be transferred, and now this population alley that has happened and the dignity of the people has been questioned in the suburbs in big cities like mashhad, yazd and other places where these people have been transferred should return to their own cities with the transfer of water. how can this happen when there is no water, mr. mousavi , how do you want to adapt when there is no water

, how do you want to save money, how long will you implement the plans? the happy new year process that we have ahead of you in tehran, you are now look at how this winter was like. you can see how your country is getting better. i suggest you see. there is an executive regulation, the article of the executive regulation, article 2 and 3 of the law on the development and optimization of urban drinking water. these regulations have very interesting standards. the standard belongs to the program organization and the standard organization, which says how the equipment should be, for example , a siphon that the standard tells us, the standard says 6 liters, or all 15-liter siphons in the city. is it collected in barracks, in government centers, in mosques, schools?

let's see, we are talking about doing all these things, or for example, recycling is required by the law, which says towers, barracks, i don't know, towns, stadiums, all of these must have a recycling system, where is recycling, there is no recycling. you see, we are saying that you should go to all these roads and see if there is enough or not. now i will tell you something else. they said that you should look at this map of industry and mining. this is new. it means that maybe a few days ago, all the mines in this plateau were taken from the official authorities. central water wants 188 million, no water from the sangan mine or in mashhad he wants a total of 16 million of you , what are we fighting about when we take 100 million water, 200 million water. we want a total of 16 million. in general , a mine like the sangan mine, now we say 10 million cubic meters is also excavated

. 10 million is divided by half. 5 million cubic meters is not that much consumption at all. you want to take 300 million water to the point where, for example, next point. dear mr. esadi , look, we have one in the mines, now i will give you an example of the copper mine, we have one, we do not say that according to the words of mr. rouhani, which i saw in his speech, he said millions of cubic meters, we do not say millions of cubic meters. carry it, we say, do the grinding , in the mine factory, be there in the morning, mr. dadi , 90% of the water consumption is in the next stages, in the first stage , when you grind, and then you reach the takhlis stage , it doesn't need water at all, we say that you can do it. do your mining first, transport the rest in the mine , instead of building a pipeline , double the rail, take it all to the sea

, settling in the central plateau will not go anywhere . after 20 years, after 50 years, this will finally come together because we are the opponent of this hot we are in a situation of extreme tension or a situation of water scarcity. we create gravity whenever we build a pipeline. it is worse

for you in isfahan. look at isfahan. it has infrastructure . whenever you take water, people come to it because it has hospitals, roads, recreational centers, that is, isfahan today, if 4 million, when you line you will be able to advertise and open, god willing, flags and so-called ribbons and parks. let's face it, the crowd is rushing towards isfahan, they think the problem is solved , while the problem of isfahan is not solved, its 5 million is 4 million, it is 10 million, 10 million says i brought two lines, two more lines, mr. asdeem. bring us four lines later, that's fine, we are from qom, qom, now i myself heard that he wants to bring a water pipeline to semana, i am sure that he will look for a water pipeline, well, see tehran, tehran 100 will go for a water pipeline. it's not like tehran says i don't have water, the pipeline line, because you are using this theory that because there is a lack of water , we should bring water, not the central plateau, which is

overpopulated. instead of bringing water to these factories , you should take away the blessed steel. mr. esadi, how much you emphasize with your orders that attraction will be created, they are now 50 million people. how much do you agree with this, because mr. mousavi, i am surprised that you, as a water expert, see that the central and eastern plateau of the country is going dry, that is , no matter how economical we are in the water field, onor khossali, there is actually so much pressure that the underground water sources that you mentioned are actually threatened by your statements. you see, our industry is not our target , but only now, for example, sengani, which you say , needs 16 million cubic meters of water. in the year or other industries that are active now

they want to use this water, not by transferring this water. see, our economy should shift from oil to mining. we must go to mining with this mining potential that we have in the central plateau and by the way in the east of iran. and you see, god has not gathered all his blessings in one place. we can activate these mines by transferring water and instead of pushing the population towards the sea, we can stabilize the population. for the east of the country , you cannot tell the people to leave their homes , go to the water and take the mines to the water, all these mines that can have infrastructure. my infrastructure is water, which means that without water, you can't do many of the exploration and exploitation permits in civil industry because of the lack of water . now, go and see how much potential can be created for the infrastructure of mines

. the statement of the supreme leader, but this did not happen , i am asking you not to attribute it to the governments , the governments at all, this is the system's demand, the emphasis of the supreme leader, and i said recently , it started at the end of the 10th government, in the 11th and 12th governments, at a very fast pace. he went and reached the end, that is, the first line 2009, but the end of the government, in

fact, mr. miniature on the persian gulf coast is now extracting 26 million cubic meters of water per day, he has plans to increase to 38 million cubic meters of water per day , and he is investing. the region has even changed, the agriculture that is happening, not just for poetry, now wheat is actually self-sufficient, saudi arabia is exporting olives, so you come and say that, well, let's wait and save, now the population is fleeing from the east of the country, this damage the social events that are created are absolutely right with a purpose sanat madan did this work, but now mr. raisi's government has come to the conclusion that it is really a very good job. he stressed that these projects should not be stopped, and in fact, the second half of the year 1400, in fact, the start of its implementation was keyed by the water transfer headquarters. due to the importance of this project, darya was formed

under the chairmanship of mr. mokhbar and chahar. there was a very good cooperation between the ministers, and to be fair, both the ministry of saman and the ministry of energy, and even now that mr. aliabadi is strongly defending this plan and is supporting your plans . never be economic the industries will not go after it, that is, the industries will come to the conclusion that in order to be able to activate their own mines and factories, and in any case, there will be no population migration from these areas. in fact, i promise a transformation for the east of the country , especially for the central plains, that this population, which has actually migrated, will return to their own cities , their honor will be preserved, and the water infrastructure of the mines will be activated. in that area, we are going to preserve it , god willing, mr. mousavi , what is your opinion about the cost of water in these areas?