thank you very much for the news. now we will go together to the vijeh khabari interview studio and join ms. emami, mrs. emami, at your service . hello, god bless you. we will continue to be with you. thank you, dear ms. mirsaneh. in the vijeh khabari interview tonight, we want to talk about the celebrations. the revolution and of course the people's capacity to organize the revolution celebrations in these days , let's talk to you . the revolution and sarkar, mrs. zahra mahmoudi, a researcher in the field of art and media and a university professor, are guests others will accompany us by phone or video . we bid farewell to the viewers of one tv channel and invite you to join us in the discussion of the report and other topics of this discussion on khabar network.

coinciding with the 45th anniversary of the victory day of the glorious islamic revolution, people all over our country welcomed the victory of the revolution by hoisting flags and participating in various programs, and today the martyrs' garden was showered with flowers all over the country . 21 you saw and heard that in tonight's interview with the guests who were introduced to you, we want to talk about the role of the position of the people from the beginning of the islamic revolution until now in commemorating the victory of the islamic revolution and the capacities that exist, the solutions to make this capacity more active , and everything that is important in this topic, according to the routine of the special news talk every night , let us first see a report. let's go back

together with the guests present in the studio , let's start the discussion and tonight's program. allahu akbar, this takbeer on the roof of the tehranis, the initiative of what the leader of the revolution recently said is another story of the popularity of the celebrations of the islamic revolution of iran. allahu akbar is coming, he said say allahu akbar, we went, my servant and our children were small. with the presence of men whose hearts were khomeini.

and the women who considered themselves followers of her school, all the girls of zainabi followed our school. from that year , the fajr decade celebrations became more prosperous, mosques became one of its central centers, what are you doing? fajr celebrations were good. remember, around our school, we celebrated ten days of fajr ten days. manifestations of the popularity of the fajr decade celebrations, which according to some virtual users , have become less important these years. since the ceremony of fajr decade, it has been taken from the student the administrative circulars fell from prosperity. what excitement did we have for ten fajr celebration? a bitter truth is that year after year, the celebrations of the fajr decade have changed from popular to the celebrations of organizations and government institutions

. the bazaars that welcome the fajr decade by putting up flags every year because of the victory of the 22nd of bahman revolution do this and do it every year, or sweep every house a flag that has been up for several years every year.

thank you very much for allowing us to start the discussion together with the guests, mr. shahbazi and mrs. mahmoudi . i greet you mr. shahbazi. welcome. i am also at your service and dear viewers . i congratulate you on eid mubarak and the victory of the revolution . dear dr. mahmoudi. thank you for coming to the special news interview studio. greetings for your service and for the presence of all dear viewers. i congratulate you on the day of allah , eid mubarak, as well as the victory days of the islamic revolution of iran. greetings to you, mr. shahbazi , the glorious islamic revolution, the popular capacity of the revolution celebrations at the moment, the dimensions or let's say capacities the potential and the actual that can be

defined in each of them is a way to be bolder and more people's participation . the main identity of our islamic revolution was the people , in general, this is the way of the marches with which we celebrated the revolution. we hold a popular and family march, which means that it is not like this, a class, a group of institutions, a group of young people, for example , very passionate, it should be like this, not different groups of people, among the people, this is one of the serious features of the islamic revolution, that like this, men and women enter the stage together, families it is possible and we have this identity of the revolution in the commemorations of the revolution almost no country in the world celebrates its march like this every year . every year this incident does not repeat itself and you can see that every year it becomes more passionate than the previous year, for example last year's march, which was perhaps the most passionate march in the entire history of the revolution, and this story is about the people, whether it is rahimai himself or this story of allahu akbar that people say at night. the celebrations that will be held

. now, before the start of the program, i said that i have the sweetest memories, for example, from this night, one night on 22 bahman 10 12 years ago, a group of orphans in the east of tehran invited us before for the victory of the revolution. singing hymns organizing a theater, holding a party, and then they left during the illumination, in short, in the style of young people , in short, starting to play, well, this is the feature of this story, but what's the problem , it doesn't appear in the media frame, we have millions of family frames from this allahu akbar from this march from this role-playing and public celebrations are not seen by the media, these are the memories of the allahu akbara incident. now , the children of ammar festival put a campaign on the internet, telling them to share their memories of these incidents, there are many.

now, some of our politicians are looking at tehran and they are asking tehran to come up with a resolution they should write a slogan, decide on a poster and print it in the same way, if the people are boiling everywhere with the same capacity and identity, then why don't you invite the young people to suggest them ? we don't leave it to the people, that is, my scenarios are old scenarios, or our designs, maybe old designs , i mean, i want to say old and the first revolution , this came from the hearts of the people. he went, why don't we submit this resolution of this peace sit on the families of the martyrs and young people of each region , for example, prepare this, why should something be written from tehran

, why don't we go to hand over this procession to the people? tell me, sir, let's have slogans in different languages. in the revolution itself , it was like this that whoever started the language is showing the march of the villages. and let's keep it here our program is our design, our design is old , we need a new policy planning, mrs. mahmoudi , now if we want to give a grade to the capacities we have , what grade do we give, where are we lacking and where can we make this partnership stronger, we have the capacity , a very good capacity. what are we going to do to make this partnership better and more? yes , the capacity is very rich and large because we

are a people who had a great civilization in our historical background. we are part of the great civilization of iran . civilization has been less than the number of fingers , many rituals and magnificent celebrations have been held we used to do, you know that whatever he wants to be expressed when. it is brought up in the form of civilization and in the form of rituals, this is completely institutionalized when it belongs to the people. there are some things in our memories from the past that we tried to preserve, like nowruz and like many other celebrations that this it is completely institutionalized in the institution of the family , which means that it is completely popular. let me make a criticism. they say as much as we do now in holding some mysteries. maybe hakim is actually a mourning, we are capable, maybe

we have less capacities of our people in holding celebrations we use it in exactly the same way. this is what i wanted to say. when we have such a background that this background is defensible and then it is decorated with the celebrations and blessings of allah that have been brought in for our religion. we have many occasions to be happy in our religion. we have eid. our eids are all social. we pray . in the centers of the mosques, we have the jama masjid, so that the other small mosques are closed and we all celebrate eid in a bigger community in the jamia masjid. let's hold prayers. and so we see that in our ethnic capacities, our national background as well. this capacity exists in our religious institutions. on the other hand, we

have actually launched a revolution for forty-odd years, which, according to the supreme leader , is the most popular revolution in the world. what we had and what happened, so these capacities are very large, but the point is that we use it. of course not, why? i think that the point that you mentioned was exactly right, that is, we did not have accurate and correct designs for our celebration. religious ceremonies, for example, our muharram trip, well , these mourning days are well organized in our country, so to speak, they tell us that, for example, shia farhan. shia ahzan , we found a way like this, of course, some good work has been done

, for example, an eid ghadir celebration, which was held on valisab street in the past years , is now being held on elkhebal street, that is, we have gone towards organizing and empowering. mr. dr. majid emami, secretary of the public culture council of the country , the addition of mr. dr. i greet you . have a good time. i am at your service if my voice is your voice. i am very happy to be at your service. i congratulate you on eid mubarak and also approaching the great day of 22 bahman, the beginning of the victories of the iranian nation to negate tyranny and colonialism and realize a better life for iran and iranians. imami is at your service , mr. shahbazi. ms. mahmoudi pointed out in the studio that we are as we should be and maybe from.

there are two issues in terms of necessity. i think everyone agrees that the first is the celebrations of the victory of the revolution, such as the islamic revolution. a distinct fact is that we do not celebrate independence day, which the army or military forces say, and for example, the officials from those who have seen it or may it be submitted to you that when we go to the resolutions of the beginning of the revolution, as you know , these are the fajr festivals of the islamic revolution, these are the resolutions approved and recommended by the same headquarters. the sands are what we might call fajr headquarters of the islamic revolution today, and it is very interesting that their design

is that a great work is done in the schools, a great work is done in the city, which is the cultural and artistic festivals of the islamic revolution, mr. dr. emami, our experts. mr. dr. emami, our experts believe that what is being implemented is still the repetition of the past more, i have the same belief. i have the same belief. let me see that the most important thing in our march is the islamic revolution, which seems to be reborn , a rebirth, a renaissance based on a series of event times, event locations , the time of our main event, the day of bahman, the location of our event, especially you. big cities like tehran , well, the stretch of elginab st. to azadieh square, where

azadi square basically changed from shahyat square to shahyat square with the revolution of the iranian people. we agree that azadi square is a unique celebration and a participation and presence, but the second point is about the management and the leadership of this is, in fact, gradually, friends imagined that a party is going to be held, my people are going to participate in it, they are invited, this is where the mistake started. the people are not invited , the people invite themselves. of course, i don't want to say that only the bureaucracy and something called the coordination council, with all the respect that our loved ones have for us and with all the hard work and effort and jihad that they have , was the cause of this reduction or handover, and i want to say that we are all responsible , we all have to review why. the contribution to

the company was reduced. in this second part, of course , they may be against me or mr. shahbazi and it's good for them to talk here , but we have to see how a solution can be found. in our opinion, the solution is in our opinion. you are still in harm's way , dr. emami. we are still in pathology. the solution in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful, hello, dr. hello, i would like to say to your highness , an important point is that really, why do we only have one form, that is, we only have one march, now let's just talk about why your participation and why you participate , the main issue here is that the great national celebration, we are downplaying the national nature of this celebration, that is our main discussion is not people's participation , whether there are tables like the ghadir festival or others

, we need happy carnivals , we need attractive designs, artistic designs where we can see each and every member of the family. for example, if a children's program is broadcast there or there are flags among the people , this does not prove what kind of meetings we really had to have these artistic designs . it is not a very good example, but i have to say this. the topic of eid is the arrival of eid al-fitr the holy month of ramadan, even the symbolic designs of this work are done very beautifully. we sometimes use these lanterns in our radio and television . ramadan kareem is very attractive to us. at christmas and the beginning of the new year, we see

that we are losing color in the area of ​​nowruz and other celebrations. i think the reasons for this are that we did not have a very new design . we are living in the world of media and this is very important. mr. dr. emami , see your answer, i can't answer much because i am myself i agree, well, no, you, as the trustee , must be responsible and you must provide a solution to the part that the experts are announcing , see what we have done now, mrs. emami, see, i also believe that the strategic management of cultural memory, including religious, political, and historical, should be a whatever happened, we in the council of public culture in the field of cultural memory management

, especially its religious and social aspects, we are doing something . its integration in the cultural council the general public is basically not responsible in this field . dear, we are members of the council. they invite me . of course, i feel that it is not really an issue of the individual's presence or commuting. it is a matter of approach. therefore , you said that i should be responsible. the reality is that the general cultural council is responsible to the management. cultural memory is not in the political era and this has been assigned to other councils in a division of work . i think this

should be read again in the same program and based on the characteristics of the cities. it should match the location of events today our revolution street only on 2nd of bahman until azadi square, which i will say again, something happened and a beautiful thing happened in this square. it has been liberated and people know it as azadi square. now no one mentions the name of the previous revolution. because in the popular culture of the people

, it was established with that excitement and miracle and the explosion of the islamic revolution. the location of these events must first be adjusted so that the young people who have not seen the 60s can play the memory game. regarding the march, the way of managing the march is the same as mrs. mahmoudi. pointing should basically be about the creations of small groups of people it seems that we are looking for big frames and million frames, of course this is not bad , thank god we have big frames to offer, but this has made us neglect small frames , small creations that are beautiful are effective and in fact . it conveys the depth of meaning of the islamic revolution and the revolution celebrations. let's ignore it. this requires a media design. years ago, friends, in a book

called sociology 2 bahman, i have a note there about the media management of this event, even the media management that of course, in the point you just mentioned, because i think our voice is late you can see that mr. dr. shahbazi has a point in the frames. there is a very important point. now we are not going to be theorizing here. after all, first of all, the islamic advertising coordinating council is one of the most rigid and ineffective structures that has not updated itself. many of these advertising companies have been in charge of it for several months we made him appear in tonight's program, but this means that, for example, this advertising collection and its elements can be changed every few months . in the world of artificial intelligence, the initiative cannot be done in the same way. the past he managed it, but the government is different from not being the main trustee. i am even higher than the cultural council and i say that the government itself can do a lot more to involve the people

. if i were in the place of mr. president , i would announce a campaign and invite all the committees of all the mosques. there are different groups of people, each of them have their own handwritten statements. let me tell you, children , prepare dolls, the same thing we did when we were children in the 60s and 70s. our sweetest memories happened in these marches, and this menu is not about now there is an organizing council after all they sit on the sidelines and don't do the work, which means that this story is actually happening passively. we are a series of deviations that mr. bazargan has institutionalized in our system . when he was the prime minister of the interim government, he said, "people, the revolution has happened, go to your homes and all our structures will be gone." looking for standardization, for example, the same incident and calamity that we brought to the martyrs' graves, every family of martyrs from every class brings something of their own, now one was poor , one was rich, one loved, i don't know , we took away all of this. we straightened it , we did the same way as the dead of world war ii i mean, i want to say that these are the places where the government can be active on its own, mr. girim , there is an islamic propaganda coordination council, which i

will never understand why it always wants to organize the march in the same way in the past and in that way. i just gave an example of the march of the same aliakra . two years ago in the virtual space, one night, i thought of 20, and i remembered. it came to my mind from different years of each of these allahu akbar, just what happened? something from the top , like the cartoons from arbaeen our country participates in similar celebrations and other things . it must be a real identity, but what is the condition? how many people now have a point, a question mark, mr. dr. emami, answer how many points you are saying , we asked the hearts of the people, now see, mr. emami, themselves in we are the same in terms of theory, but our discussion is a discussion of practice, we are all like this, sir, people's participation should come in the decision-making mechanism of these discussions, some cultural activist group , some family group, maybe some other things, this is a part of the islamic propaganda coordination council, but we accept

that the council may my condition be preserved, a pardon from the government there will be an apology from both the political management of the government and the cultural management of the government. you should allow mr. dr. shahbazi to be the answer or express his opinion . 20th of bahman, fajr decade celebrations, just as the dear ones said, we have been plagued by officialdom and corruption, the members of fajr islamic revolution headquarters are also related deputy ministers and some institutions, and some public institutions , i.e. you, influential figures, even party and of course cultural. i, the people, do not see the face in this

these decision-making and decision-making should be present so that creativity can enter this space. yes, i agree. if i were to manage fajr, i would definitely do this, but what i am saying is, look at these cultural and artistic festivals of fajr , if of course they are very far away. it is now you see, in the field of cinema, there are works being broadcast in 30 capitals of the province, that people can express themselves under the pretext of fajr decade and mix with cinema, art, clothes with very interesting topics, poetry, literature and art, as we say , literary and art festivals in the country. one step now, if we are similar to this peak of the celebration

cultural schools. for several days, of course, i know that education has improved a lot this year , but for several days of this decade , there will be days without bags and books, and the children will actually have to practice participation, practice, and actually manage. somehow in a game of political social management of the country. of course, this is just an example. look at the current situation , what it creates is that the cultural institutions are carrying out activities against the coordination council, for which they have done their duty anyway. again, we don't have this feature in different provinces due to the same time as the

international tourism festival or exhibition. last year in tehran, there were about 30 units from 30 provinces, each of which, each unit, and in fact , a booth with its own language, food, and tangible and intangible culture , was happy with the people on the way to the revolution street. we don't have it, but some cultural institutions try these tricks. facilitate and lay the groundwork, mr. dekhan, do you have a doctor , please, yes, i apologize. our cultural policy is based on the fact that now we don't use people's capacities or everything that happens in this space goes into the performance space

, but i think we still have some problems in that way of thinking and that is the reference. it is very good and beautiful, mr. doctor, to talk about the location of the events. this also requires design. now , for example, there is a place in russia that is the site of a war . if you know, people can gather there and see many of the events that happened in those years. for example, in the mexican revolution, we see that the murals were once paintings of the army the galleries inside the exhibition are drawn from the basements to the walls of the murals and we can feel this people's nature . i came to you directly from the fajr film festival. well, this is our biggest cultural event in the field of film .