it has and it is also a matter of command pricing. anyway, many economic experts believe that one should believe in the free market and in a competitive environment, all producers of services and goods should offer their own products, and people should also offer their products based on the price offered and their own purchasing power and the components they consider. they get to use these services, products and goods, but on the other hand, some people believe that in some markets, where monopoly is created, or basically , the price is different from the purchasing power of the people, the government should step in and regulate the price. balance them. tonight , we will examine this issue based on the price of intercity bus tickets. please accompany us. you are very welcome. first of all

, i would like to introduce to you two distinguished guests who agreed to take the trouble to join the higher program , mr. mehdi ajali, the deputy of the transport office of the road organization, whom we are serving as a supporter, and mr. peyman sanandjir. the head of the commission accompanied by tehran chamber of commerce who are against the subject of our program. if you allow me, mr. sanandji , we will start with you. why should not the absence of the bus be determined? in the name of god. courtesy width and hello, i am serving the honorable viewers and mr. engineer. i hope that this program will lead to a correct conclusion. well, of course, the price is the price. orders

are made in governments for several reasons. in any case, the first issue that exists in mandated pricing is the social status and psychological security that will usually play a role in the society, and secondly, it seems that reduction means showing the inflation rate lower than its actual rate. in any case, you are in the hands of pricing. there are always two very important topics in these two topics, and it can be said that anyway these two issues cause a lot of things to happen in the field of production and in the field of providing services , so now we can talk about bus rates in detail, whether in the city, outside the city, or by air . having a price order may

be the answer in the short term, but it remains like a cancer pain that there is a time when you may have gone away from the cancer and solved the problem, but the fact is that the tumor is spreading throughout the body and this itself causes the production decrease , increase inflation and many other problems and it seems that now more. we will pay attention to it, this price itself is a kind of mandatory pricing, despite the fact that we think that it may benefit the people, but because it is being paid from the people's pockets , it can cause many effects in providing services and yes, thank you very much, mr. hajri, do you think that

the government's involvement in pricing is the right thing to do , and if so, what is the right thing to do? components these interventions should be done in the name of allah , the most merciful, the most merciful. i offer my greetings, courtesy and respect to your excellency. also, mr. engineer sanandji , i would like to offer you a reasonable pricing discussion that we can now determine this price considering that supply and demand can let's talk about it and the fact that you say that now the mandatory pricing, i really do not agree with this issue. in the field of suburban transportation, according to the level of service that exists , approximately 140 to 550 million people deal with the field every year. intercity transportation and moving on the surface the whole country can rent a minibus, and as you can see, a very

wide range of services is provided in this field , that's why the supply and demand must be in harmony. there is a time when you set a rate and you want to implement this as an order, but considering that you did not see the income in the situation and you do not know how the investment was made, this rate will not be responsive, which happened earlier in the year 9 it was 1997 , and threading was the responsibility of private sector trade unions, that is, those who have this transportation business until that year , there was no problem. as you can see, i can show you the numbers. for example, inflation was 20%. friends in the field of oil transportation gave a 10% annual increase. this increase was done once a year. this happened in 2017. this

incident was handed over to the market regulation headquarters of the whole country . sadad was doing the market regulation. what happened from that date onward? from that date onward , the working group had to collect the documents and expenses once a year. the regulation of the market was checked there. i mean that if this process is the right process why did it not continue since 1997 ? why did it stop and the voice of the market regulation was born ? we faced a jump in the price of land, which actually affected all prices since then. in fact, the government decided to increase its presence in the market. it is true that monitoring the market is very important, that is, in any case, the sector that works so much with the people and serves the people.

after all, there must be a supreme supervision, the government must supervise it punctuation should be completely logical. let it be done, for those who are providing the service and for those who are receiving the service, the rates should be set, and the government should monitor this rate. let it be done. the point is that you are talking about this rate setting that we are talking about. in the area that we are talking about , supply and demand must determine the price according to the order of your excellency, and this does not always mean an increase in price. that is , when you determine the price based on supply and demand , you may have to compete in some places and because sell ​​or provide more services or transport more passengers, you will have to lower the rate. this

is always present in the business and pricing areas. in my area of ​​supervision , no one is against supervision. in any case, governments are obliged to supervise because of people do it, but if instead of monitoring you come to be in the position of execution, this is where the problem arises , that is, you are both the supervisor and you are doing the execution work, you determine the nerf and you are also doing the supervision work, what happens ? what happens if your service becomes zero? now you are not opposed to the areas where i am not opposed to income. i am from the driving field

. i was a bus manager in tehran for many years. i was a bus manager and a taxi manager in tehran. i know the pain of the drivers. now you are a car that has to move passengers in different directions, for example, tehran. tehran, hamedan, tehran , roshd, apart from the fact that the bus is empty on peak days, what are they moving? are they moving loads? or to the border cities and how many dangers are there in terms of aerodynamics or the dangers that this car can have. what is the reason for this? the reason is that it is not economical for the driver. why is it not economical because of the price? the passenger does not have the same room as the passenger, so we have somewhere to do the rate, or the rate is low, the rate, the rate , the rate is out of place. but he prefers

to carry cargo instead of passengers. yes, of course , it's not like this. it's not like this open what is the return period of someone who invests? it must be at least four years. let's divide it with your numbers and see what comes out. he just has a student driver, he pays commission, he pays for freight and he is paying dozens of things. let's do a calculation and see if this driver can return this 17 billion within 4 years? it can't be true, that's the truth. this is that it is not possible at all, so it seems to me that the position

of full supervision is correct, but where does something bad happen, where i myself come, in fact, the government always works like this when it actually wants to supervise. it should have a basis for its monitoring . after all, it has to monitor for something . a rate must be set. a rate must be set for the government to monitor whether this rate is actually higher or lower. maybe there is no problem at all. it is from this monitoring. let me give you an explanation, because mr. sandaji , i was talking about the issue of cargo transfer, i should give an explanation , this issue was not due to an economic issue , after all, it was a possibility. finally, according to that road network i don't know if there is any . they should be helped, not only for the discussion of income , but also for the discussion of cargo movement, the capillary network that

exists in the country using this public transport fleet , there are approximately 70,000 public road transport fleets in the country . this cargo transportation should be done as soon as possible at the lowest cost, then it is done with a license. do it and many times , anyway, you have many shipping companies , you have many issues, i have no place there at all.

because the cost of moving the passenger, because of the order , we have set a rate for it now. it is not economical . if you mentioned the supply and demand correctly, maybe you would have had a rate on non-pikton days . floating rates all over the world are the same for you now. the so-called airline lines that exist in the world are the same. you get different prices in different places and in any case in different currencies because the rate is floating and this can be done by this package. he can manage the economy of a driver throughout the year. sorry, i wanted to say that i am against it. your statement is correct. now the same thing is happening in the matter of flotation. there is a price in the middle of the week, when the number of passengers is less

, the prices are lower, but again , there are controls so that during the peak days the price limit is not exceeded . as the trustee of the cash transportation department under the supervision of the ministry of roads and urban development , we also agree that the prices are based on the cost based on the inflation that exists. to be determined, but according to the conditions that exist, we recommended a series of new incentives for them, we suggested that, finally, the supply of parts such as consumables such as tires should be done for them at approved prices. there are other discussions, there are support discussions, support covers. there is a way that we can compensate for this lack of price, so you agree that now the price that is set as an order is lower than it is from a rate that is proportional to inflation, or basically, it is actually proportional

to the services that these drivers are providing. we participate in the market because of this price determination and in those discussions, we determined the cost , we presented the market regulation, but we are a member of the market regulation working group, there is the support organization of the ministry, they have expert discussions. anyway, it's a matter of expertise, it's not a matter of taste , they probably have reasons for how this price has turned out, no, it's exactly the same . it was in this way that we discussed the capital that existed, such as the car and the expenses that one or two people had to pay for the car. we used to add up all of the maintenance, and then based on a formula, we arrived at a number, which became the basis on which we had

to determine the rate for moving a passenger. i think it is the same in the urban area, but i want to say, was. we used to ask this question once. a car that costs 17 billion now is about right . i won't make a mistake. 15 to 16 depends on the car . how many passengers should it carry for this price to be able to return the capital in 4 years? why always ? the drivers are complaining, why are they always worried, why are we always caught when it happens during eid we are raising the rate by 20, we are saying that one side is full, one side is one. after all, there must be some reasons for this, that is , one of our jobs is in the pricing of the bar, and since satisfaction and demand do not determine the market, the supervision we talked about is preferably not for me to set the price. i will monitor it myself, i will determine the rate based on the currency and the market, i will control it in a place where it

is controlled and this rate does not cross the red lines. let me tell you, finally, i told you, considering that this field is serving the people, and if the pricing is not done correctly, it will cause this service to suffer. there will be loss and the people themselves will be unhappy. the investment of the entire sector is being done by the private sector , which means that this capital has not been given any subsidy for this pricing. as i said, the proposal of the road organization is to go to the supreme transportation council, which is the specialized council for this matter, as in other departments , for example, the same thing is happening in the airline

industry, and the same thing is happening in the supreme transportation council. . look, we are always talking about the same thing, what are we talking about if we don't order the rate or don't decide somewhere, people will suffer, that's what we always talk about. but i think that maybe in the short term, this thinking is the right thinking, but in the long term, one of the main problems in our country right now is the renewal of the fleet. that there were 302s that existed or 35s that existed , you worked hard to renew them all, but if this does not happen and this income and expenditure is not suitable for someone who is investing, it is not possible to renew the fleet so again

, we put people's lives in danger, or you in the field the way well, you must have an explanation and you accept it, and people also accept it, and all of us now the situation of our roads is not an interesting situation, whether it is in markings , in asphalt, in godrail, and many other issues . our horizontal signs are our vertical signs. if he knows that there are duties and these duties are free and there is no order, he can come and invest. and he can invest and fix the ways, but because we are everywhere at the same so-called headquarters or now wherever they determine the pricing , as a result of the private sector which is the basis and in us principle 44 is the emphasis of the supreme leader and the senior managers of the system that

the private sector should take over the speech and work . the trustees who themselves decide the rate, supervise , formulate the policies, now the private sector is also watching from the sidelines, right, mr. segeh , now this liberalization should take place anyway, now what guarantee is there that the price it should not be so high that now, people, in fact, it is the supervision, you see, the market measures itself, definitely me as a trader or as someone who moves i offer a place and provide services. i am definitely looking for demand. i offer something . i have a bus and this bus is running between tehran and hamedan, and i don't want my passengers and my car to be empty. i want to come and go in such a way that the capital can return and i can renovate and provide more services. the market itself adjusts this , that is, the market itself adjusts the figure and

it cannot be taken more or less than usual. what the government should do and it is the responsibility of the government is to formulate policies that can support mr. engineer's order. for example, i will say in the city of tehran. at one point the government paid 82 and a half percent of the bus fare to the municipalities. 17 people give. this was a support that was, in any case, a strategy that existed or is still existing. he pays a part of the money for the car in order to help, that is, he takes the subsidy and puts it in the right place . as a result, if we are going to do something. we can't do it with mandated pricing. the government does the policy work, increases

its supervision, and many other issues that it can do. in fact, we should leave the pricing to the market and let the market determine the price and let the government only monitor it. apart from that, there is another loan for improving the fleet, some of which include buses and our minibuses. the next issue that

i told you about is the discussion of other issues and assistance. let's reduce the quote for the part, it's true, but practically, in the times we see, for example , we are facing a volume of travel. with all these supervisions that you do, it is still a black market it happens again that the prices are much higher than what is the cause. in fact, it is being sold . i want to say that this system has worked for me in these years. after all , there is always a violation, which means that no matter how much monitoring is done , there is a violation. but these violations are very few in number and figures. we have the 141 system, the road organization of the same road, where travelers can raise their complaints. these are handled. the numbers are much less than what you think . last year, that is, during the last nowruz, there were 1,402 complaints , something around 10,000. with the amount of travel that was done, that is

it was below 1%. complaining is a sign of people's satisfaction. in fact, many of them do not have weapons at all, which i do not agree with. the fact that i do not complain means that everything is not a hoax. the fact is that you have an investor section that now basically or maybe an investment buys a car and gives it to a driver to work , or the driver himself buys and is doing the work. is it really the investment we are talking about now ? is this price worth it or not? is he satisfied now? or he has to do something else to save his economy he can do it. it seems to me that mr. engineer is not like this. if it was like this, if it was like this, he doesn't like to drive or invest . you

know that the closest place to him is to sell seats there again, or now, if you remember. ok , he would sell it on the buffet, or for example, we were students, he would even leave it on the street, for example, and i want to say that it is not like this, that is, it seems to me that because it is not economical for the passenger , it is not economical for the driver, so he has to do other things. do the rules and regulations that are possible now it should be out of sight and no one should report it. i mean , i want to say that this is not preferable, but i think that because i believe that there is a group of drivers who are more stupid than themselves. no, mr. engineer, they are very good and good, that is, they are very good, but in any case , we all live in a situation where the wheel of our life must turn, if this cycle does not turn, we will have to do

something. let's establish a leader that is out of the eyes of those managers who supervise. i think that it is for us to give statistics and say that the customer or the people have not been contacted. this does not mean that when there is no method, one is the system. 141 in all the passenger terminals , there are monitoring offices on the services that they monitor and carry out . if there is a complaint, it can be handled. there are ways. it is not suitable, and we requested that it be increased . in three of my market adjustments, the issue has been raised

, whether the rate should be revised or not liberalized. in any case, it is correct that we should not enter at all, let the market and supply and demand determine the price . the price that was set today, but we want to go and correct it, that is , actually set another order price. the main question for us is whether the price should actually be set or not . don't want it to be the way that anyone wants it at any rate. provide services, we don't agree with this because we can't monitor anymore, but to set a rate , for example, i say that a rate should be set for the route from tehran to isfahan, but who will set this rate now, this is the question now. please tell me, the issue now is who will determine this rate, the department will determine it, the government will determine it, there is no problem for the department to determine it, but the government must monitor that rate .

the issue of pricing was left to the supreme transportation coordination council of the country. a recipe was drawn up . even now, the road organization's opinion is to go back to the same recipe, which was the recipe of a ceiling for pricing, based on pricing up to the inflation ceiling. it is the transport sector of that year , that is, if the inflation of the transport sector was 20%, friends finally, they will increase to 20 people if they announce. yes, the same thing happened that year , the rate setting was proposed, it was announced and implemented, and there is a special problem , mr. i think you wanted to say something . let's see this report together , we will come back to continue the conversation . we are both honorable

. in agreeing to the prescriptive pricing of the bus ticket, he believes that the government's policy is not to increase the price on occasions and through the market regulation headquarters , a decision should be made regarding the issue of price increase due to the inflation of parts, engine oil, tires, maintenance of cars, salaries and other matters. ahmadreza ameri, head of the tehran passenger cooperative union, opposes mandatory pricing. bus ticket said: during this time when the prices of goods are constantly rising, the only control over the prices is in the field of transportation. our colleagues will earn more if they sell buses and invest in the bank . alireza ahmadiyeh fini, head of the country's transport and fuel management agency, says: most of the applicants traveling by bus is for middle-income and low-income people who cannot

use private cars or airplanes and trains to travel. you can't increase the price of bus tickets above the financial capacity of the applicants , because in this case the demand will be even lower and the renewal of the fleet will not be cost-effective. moussa nazari, the managing director of a bus company's cooperative, disagrees with this issue and says: no intercity bus has been produced in the country since 2017. smuggled imports and mandated pricing of bus tickets are some of the things that will happen in the future. it endangers the road transportation in the country and the damage of this issue after all, people pay. ahmed osanlu, the head of the state penalty organization, believes that we must accept that the existing structures for monitoring the market are defective and ineffective, the existing regulations for regulating the market are not clear, they are vague and complicated, and hamid reza ali khani , a member of the travel cooperatives union of the country.