the opening of civil political parties and forces in the upcoming parliamentary elections by supporting a coalition of moderate, developmentalist and reformist candidates . in his talk show, we want to ask about the positions of the political groups and currents and factions on the eve of the upcoming elections. two guests are accompanying us in the studio, mr. saeed noormohammadi , the spokesperson of hizb naday iraniyan, and mr. mohsen mahdian , a political activist and ceo of hamshahri institute. hello mr. noor mohammadi. i am very happy

welcome, in the name of god, i also say hello to you, viewers of the program and guests of the program, mr. mahdian. welcome to the conversation studio. greetings and courtesy to you, dear audience and guests, and everyone . the upcoming elections , the presence of the people and the issuance of this statement in the name of god, of course, the issuance of a communication statement on the 22nd of bahman, and in fact, in recent days, this statement had been a method of discussion for several months, conversations with many reformist friends. we were having conversations with ourselves and actually by accident at the same time, the reason was not this statement, which is actually the state of the tour statement.

he is not one of the reformers who are mostly second generation and born after the revolution, although they criticize the way elections are held and they do not consider these elections to be free and fair in any way and they have serious criticisms . in the past , this period has disturbed the political ecosystem of the country and caused the balance of the country to be disrupted and brought instability with it. let's not let this process of purifying candidates and purifying voters continue. of course , we are not idealistic . we don't think that we can definitely stop this purification , but we think that we can do things in a minimal way. let's give and lay the groundwork in the coming years. to

return the country to the path of rationality, stability, and development . in this statement, it is mentioned to support the moderate development-oriented and reformist coalition. yes , we are actually examining the candidates that exist. i emptied the election and disqualified the candidates who had registered.

considering the atmosphere we are in and on the eve of the election, do you think how much has been achieved ? see how the atmosphere is. i think that now, because your topic is related to the statement of 11 reformist activists , if the reality is that the political parties will correct their real role in the scene. we can expect them in the coming days. in my opinion, a good thing has happened in the body of the reform front, the new generation of the reform front, which has reached such a level of rationality that basically radicalism has no fruit and practically nothing happens in it. in the future, unless we refer to the ballot box and with anger from the box, not only we will not get results ourselves, but also our social base cannot

be effective, it cannot have a right contribution, and the system in this story, that is, the country, our soil and our people will be hurt. for this reason. i think that what has happened and this statement should be taken as a good omen, the passing of moderate reformers from radical reformers in itself, in my opinion , should be welcomed mr. noor mohammadi , you are writing points while telling us what they are. now what points are considered from this the discussion so far is the number between the political currents , now we are talking about the reformists , what is the situation now, the statement that was issued , the electoral environment and the competition of the candidates, i will first say about the role of political parties, mr. mahdian, they pointed out that political parties, if the role they can have themselves , they can increase participation. i

think this is not very close to reality because political parties are not formed just to call for elections, they have a series of duties, which unfortunately due to our political structure. they cannot do their own duties they themselves are not even free to choose their options. for example, i can give an example of the iranian call party. i also believe in two or three other intermediate parties . there are mahdians , but in the reformist current

, when registration is faced with disqualification, it means that the parties cannot present their ideal options. it is not their ideal. are not they should choose because of the fact that if the country had real parties, if the political structure of the parties was recognized, the parties would definitely be effective, and we currently lack these characteristics . i do not agree with your description, in fact, this opposition does not exist in the course of reforms, in our course of reforms. the important feature is the pluralism that exists in this trend, after all, mr. seyyed mohammad khatami is the symbolic face of this trend , he is respected by all spectrums, but there is pluralism in him , there have always been criticisms, that's how it is. the core of the fundamentalist stream, which criticizes more or less

, they do not have the characteristics of things, we are not like that in the course of reforms , so please do not bring up this opposition because it is not real. they are different, of course, on the other hand, there are some friends who think that the opening that we are looking for is not possible and they think that they are hopeless, they think that this path we have already taken will not work, but these friends still have hope. they think they can do things for the country did and tried to improve the conditions of the country, mr. noor mohammadi, did you have any reference to the definition of the parties, their activities, the options they have now, what capacities can be activated in the remaining time for the participation of the people for being on the stage for the parties to function more in the country's political environment, you see

, now the election conditions are like the 90th minute of a football game where we expect a team to be able to impress in the 90th minute. parties alone cannot do this because they don't have the equipment and tools at their disposal. in fact , the period of activity of one year or two years until they reach the elections, those tools are practically not possible . he wants to hear their voices in economic programs in social programs in cultural programs. because of this, in this 90 minutes, the parties can't do much. if our participation is limited to our own, we can be friends who were angry with the west fund and think that their voting is not effective. let's encourage them. friends who

in fact, mr. mahdian's friends vote, they attend the polling station and vote. we have to try in this part, friends who think the fund. the vote has no result, this statement is addressed exactly to those friends. let's invite them to vote and tell them that things can still be done. those who are now trying to denigrate the space when the participation decreases, say that it has no effect, now the election is useless , what are they looking for? they are against, in fact they are criticizing us, even for this letter we wrote, they are actually hearing the reflection of the community's voice, their criticism of us is that you are the voice. you don't hear the society and they think that because we hear the voice of the society, we don't move forward and we don't make an effort. in fact

, there is an atmosphere in the society, in some parts of the society, it is reflected in a part of the activists, it shows the voice of the society that you say that the voice of the society is what percentage of the total iranian people, because we have a participation of the people. actually, let me answer your question with one percent. for example, in the presidential election of 1400, 59 million people were eligible for the president of the elected government, and 18 million votes were cast, that is, 30% of the eligible people, that is, 70% of the society, either did not vote, or voted blankly , or voted for their rivals. voting means that they can become president with 30% of the eligible candidates, or in the 10th parliament elections in tehran, for example, i am saying 3 million 200.

we are serious, that is, the votes that exist from the 10th to the 11th parliament elections are very meaningful. another example. for example, in the parliamentary elections the 10th and 32nd member of the list, who is one of mr. mahdian's friends, got 884,000 votes in the 10th parliament with 884,000 people , and became 32 and 32nd in the 11th parliament. it was the third place in tehran. 868,000, but it was the third , the arrangement did not change. in the middle, a part of the society did not vote. you

are saying in the morning, which part are they? i say the majority part because the movement that lost in the 10th parliament elections won because they did not come to the polls, mr. mahdians of this competition between political currents, the capacities that should if it is activated even in the 90th minute, what effect do you think it will have on our current situation? first of all, i want to tell the truth very honestly, basically , they do not accept this division of fundamentalism and reformists, and this era has passed, and today my people are moving past fundamentalists and reformists, and by the way. this is how you assume that there are several factions competing with each other in that stream of fundamentalism and tradition, and now the reformists, according to mr. noor mohammaddi's interpretation, are now reaching a pluralism that i do not accept. plural means competition, means to pass.

make sure they never go in the direction of their youth some of them have to flee the country , some of them go to jail, and the younger ones are just now coming to the scene, which is a very good thing. i really don't accept these categories. we have something else called reformism. in that sense, we don't have our own past , people should really look to see which of these parties can really pursue their own issues and move towards them, but why do i say the radical current. and basically, why this statement is considered to pass by them, see the basis of a party

and the basis of a political organization in the hope that in the future yes, otherwise, it basically has no meaning, that is, the formation of such a political party is a complete violation of your intention . it's like you want to write, but you don't know. look, when you have no hope for the future, you are no longer called a political organization, which means you can't talk about it at all. you are sitting here. a day or two after the statement was issued by the body of the political current of reforms, regarding the statement, the issue of hiring people close to mr. khatami and those who finally have official status, whether they are the general secretary or something else. the position of their words is that it is a statement of hope they are looking to the future, now they can finally say something for themselves, but what do we say? what we say is that we neither condemn, nor sanction, nor invite. look, i want to tell you something . don't expect it, its name

is not a political organization, the biggest problem of that traditional body is reformism or radicalism. now, it is basically impossible to predict, which means you don't know what he wants to do in the future. you, the party, are not even ready to pay the price for what they are saying, sir. you are not even ready to pay the cost of sanctions say boycott , you want to play in the middle. see, in the middle of the game, basically, their biggest problem is that they betray their social base . look at the reform process in general. throughout the political history, it has always been like this that they come to play in the middle so that they can gather different votes from the votes of, for example, the assumption. look at the opposition, who cast symbolic votes instead of the votes of the people who are in favor of them , how can they say that these words are middle- of-the-road words. we neither boycott nor invite i want to play in the middle. the first step

that is the result of political rationality is to overcome this and be predictable as a party. let it have hope for the future. the statement that has been issued now has hope for the future as much as it is an active and active party, and you can predict it . it is not named because it is not the current against the current that seeks political activism, so mr. mahdian , mr. normeh, you should also participate. it will create the realization of the four main pillars. both the statement and the functions of the political groups, now we have prominent political groups in our country, fundamentalists, reformists, independents, we are talking about these , you see , they gave the statement only two days ago, but the main point of my message is this, you accept the alphabet, come sit down, let's talk to each other. let's talk together, let's write together, mr. nurmohammadi , look at this spirit of mr. mahdian

who talks a lot about the above topic, so that we can overcome mr. mahdian's spirit, we have a problem with the competition field, the same friends you mentioned and today the conclusion that they are not listed in the elections means that in fact our governing institutions are getting rid of them.

do and help parts of that invitation to participate. the leadership's point about participation, but the reality is that the leadership's point about participation is on the institutions that should be listened to, which institutions should not be listened to, the executive institutions and the supervisory institutions, the leadership 's words could not be interpreted clearly. it was clear to be clear about the competition, to be clear about the presence of political currents. be prepared to talk. no one can interpret this and say that the leadership said this they don't mean reformists, they don't mean moderates. it is very clear that when the leaders are talking about this, they are talking about the internal affairs of the country. but the monitoring institutions actually, i said

, advance the beginning of the election contests in such a way that basically a political current is eliminated. it is true that we we made a statement and we think that these rights should still be used and we did not allow the stream of purification to move forward step by step , more restrictions on these citizens, on the boys and girls of this country, on the university professors, on the students who were denied, the deportation of these people. it is true that we are trying to give them hope that we can return this space, but those institutions, the fact is that the political currents that participate practically do not have candidates . we are talking about the islamic council, and in fact, one of the highest

decision-making pillars of the country, surely all those citizens who registered 17 thousand people are dear and valuable, but when we form the parliament in the modern world and also form a political party. in fact , there is a need for this because we know that in this the pillars should be experienced people, people who gain experience, people who see political courses , we are young people, and in fact, if there are political parties, these young people should enter the parties and be trained in the parties and grow in the party competitions. and they can present themselves and get votes, but when we consider these people to be experienced politicians. we will eliminate people who have no experience , no financial support, and no political support , and we will put them in front of a stream that

has all kinds of possibilities, i think it has all kinds of opportunities. many of these verifications of qualifications are good but not effective. it means that each of these citizens can bring a part of their relatives, but they won't win the election. the winner of the election is already known to me. the reality is that this is a part of the talks. i want to address those people who are disappointed today and even criticize us. now, if i get the chance , i will invite them to participate. mohammadi and his friends and that is the rules of the game in the political environment let's observe party work, this does not mean that we want to, god forbid. let's not talk from above, the reality is that we share the moral principles of a political work with each other. my suggestion is honesty. i say, sir

, be honest. look, you say something that cannot be weighed, cannot be measured, cannot be tested with the face of authenticity. sir , remove our people. who is your person that was deleted? if your people were supposed to be removed , how did reformers enter the parliament and how did they enter the reform government in the history of the islamic republic? students, how many governments have you had, how many parliaments have you had, how many parliaments, how many city councils have you had, so how will this rule go that hasn't changed , that the law hasn't changed, that the framework hasn't changed , i have a suggestion, ms. emami. do this, mr. noor mohammadi, take pains to leave the studio tonight, share this with your friends , tell the disqualified gentlemen, why they were disqualified so easily. today, if you are disqualified , the guardian council will protest, the guardian council will call you. the guardian council is morally wrong

he should publish it, i think the rule is completely correct , it is a moral rule, but you can publish it. you who have been disqualified, sir, do this, work hard for this course , do this, come and say publicly in the media , why don't you reject me for these four reasons? let's do this once and for all . we have invited these gentlemen to this event several times . in my opinion, honesty is important. how do you say? my most important problem with mr. khatami is that he does not treat his social base honestly. see, this is not new to me, thank you. mr. khatami's government, if you look at it, the biggest problem of mr. hazrat agha is about the insider and the non-insider who said that mr. jun stated his position openly. explain to the anti -revolution some of the same radical reformism mr. khatami-gorbachev said at that time because of the type of structural reforms, accelerated reforms

, mr. khatami refused to announce the issue. mr. khatami is not willing to clarify his lines and boundaries and wants to play in the middle, thinking that he can collect people from both ends of the spectrum. well, this is the first. the step for dishonesty is social networks, which i am today thanks to the networks socially, the flow of reforms has been purified. i believe that this same statement would not have been issued if it were not for social networks. social networks came to light up the atmosphere so that today you have anti-revolutionary and revolutionary currents and they all have their own positions . no one can play in the middle. genuine bipolar revolutionary. a revolution has been made, the reformist is left in the middle, the reformist who is in the middle is surprised , the part that was radical has gone anti-revolutionary , the part that is in the middle has to determine the task

, this is thanks to the network. my virtual happened i believe that otherwise they would not have reached this point. now we have reached this point. we have given the statement . i think it should be welcomed, but let's not forget the priorities and duties of media work, which is honesty and then hope for the future. look, if i don't have hope for the future, i will be like the secretary general. dear party , what is the meaning of the idea of ​​political activity? what do i expect from you? the most important thing is to look at us as a whole. at one point , there was a dispute about whether or not there is something called reform, gentlemen , they don't agree, well, when someone doesn't agree, the party what does it mean, mr. nurmohammadi, i have a question from 3 minutes until the end of the conversation, while we emphasize on the discussion of participation and

what are the functions of the groups in attracting the first vote and increasing the vote of the youth. mr. should they defend themselves against the accusations against mr. khatami in the national media or not? if they don't have the right, based on what law, they don't have the right to defend themselves and their opinions and express what law mr. jabali has allowed you to speak against him again and again in the national media. and their answer should not be broadcast. the second point is that i am saying, mr. mahdian, you and i may not be as religious as the first generation of the revolution , but you and i, despite our age, have seen the ups and downs of politics. no, you and i cannot give honor to a person or take his honor. mr. khatami, people like mr. khatami took their honor from god and from these people

, that's why you say these things. in my opinion , it is useless, just as you could not get ezzat ali daei, just as you could not get mr. ferdosipour's honor, just like your honor, mr. shajariano , could you not take it and let me tell you one more thing? now, since you said honesty , i saw you in today's newspaper and we made headlines a while ago, so i really didn't have anything to say because it was about honesty. khatami, i arranged , you came and talked with three or four friends. before the meeting, i told you that these confidential discussions between us and mr. khatami are between you and mr. khatami, and that there will be no recording, no news. you fundamentalist youths recorded that meeting and then published it in the media, while the meeting was not at mr. khatami's house, it was in his office , basically it was not possible to eavesdrop there , you came and published it, and then

you came again. khatami said that i was in that meeting because it is the social base of the baha'is, mr. khatami , i did not say a word about the baha'is, however, the discussions that were raised there must have been confidential, but what you said was also a lie, mr. noor mohammadi, we have a special conversation in the direction of increasing the principle participation yes, i was really interested in talking to my audience, but mr. may , what is said in the special news talk should be based on the essence of the topic and the realization of the four components that the supreme leader of the revolution for participation , i can only say one sentence. short, because your time is over, i look at you, my friends, who finally suffered and went through bitter events , you saw the events of last year, your back was empty, no one stood beside you, your voice was not heard by the parliament and the government

, this is the reality. if you don't come, you will only help these friends to continue the same path in the worst way body. we should try to form a strong minority faction. just like before the revolution of the 16th parliament and after the revolution of the 5th parliament, he was able to create a very large space. we can do great things. our hands are tied , our facilities are limited, but the reality is that our generation has done great things. in 1992, at the height of our desperation, we changed the atmosphere of the elections. and again, we can, if our hands are tied today, but we still hope that we are young and have the power to influence, and the next thing is that no matter how many participants you get, mr. mohammad, the less the participation , you can be sure that this election is unfair and without competition increases because the parliament and the government work with low participation.