i will not be a volunteer in the next elections because i do not consider myself a worthy representative for the people. we expect someone who represented this now .

in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful, greetings and respect to dear listeners and viewers who are interested in the phil majlis program. in the phil majlis program, tonight , we are at the service of mr. morteza nawi, born in 1326, a representative of the fourth and fifth term from tehran in the islamic council, who is a debater in many political debates. he also participated. my education was in electrical engineering, but after the revolution has also received a doctorate in political science. i leave it up to them to start from wherever they see fit

. they must have very interesting memories to tell us about the first period and the first years of the first parliaments of the fourth and fifth parliaments. i am also a servant to the honorable viewers and genan governor , we offer our greetings and regards. how did it happen that you agreed to be a member of the parliament, that is the fourth parliament? yes, it was expected that you would be the first and second parliament. i called at that time, the name of this ministry is ministry house there were mails, telegraphs, and telephones. mr. shahid rajaee, may god raise his ranks

, well, he was our math teacher in high school . he knew me from high school, which qazvin high school i was studying in. he came to me one or two days a week while he was teaching in tehran. qazvin, because their hometown was ghazvin, they used to come and teach there . you were also born in qazvin , i was born in ghazvin, and they became the prime minister in the government. mr. shahid dr. qandi, minister of post and telegraph, was on the phone. i was in the irgc at that time and we were working with mr. mohsen rezaei. they told mr. mohsen that because knowing that i am an electrical engineer, they said that the ministry of post, telegraph, and telephone should help mr. qandi . the telecommunications company had some problems. we also came, and shortly after mr. qandi

was martyred in the explosion of the islamic republic party , they suggested me. between 1960 and 1964 , i was a minister, then i went to teach at the old university in the same field as ours. friends, when the fourth assembly elections were to be held, well , the fourth assembly elections followed the third assembly. the leadership of the supreme leader was a tension, the talks that at the same time we were publishing the newspaper resalatu, and for the fourth parliament, friends

suggested that we also come to the parliament and we came to the parliament on the list of militant clerics, this was repeated in the fifth term and you are the fourth parliament it started in 1971 , it should be around the same time, but my memory is not very good. yes , how many factions were there in the 4th parliament , that is, how was the division of forces roughly? changing the name of the majority, almost the overwhelming majority of the fundamentalists yes. but there was also a minority of reformists. what important events happened in this parliament in those years . the fourth parliament was the origin of a series of developments in the country. first of all, in terms of taking a stand, while

he was in the same party as the president of the time, the late mr. hashemi rafsanjani. but about their government. he had serious strictures in terms of supervision , so that his government was not satisfied with the fourth parliament, and for the fifth parliament , he came to establish the construction workers party . the government and its functions several researches and studies. it was done by the government and the report from the tribune of the parliament where we were stationed here , and this is the place where we are interviewing. at that time , the parliament was being convened here . you also gave something to the issue of foreigners, but foreigners were before us . ah, the issue is still at that time. mr. engineer mousavi

was the prime minister when the first plan was to be approved, no, we were not in the parliament at that time, we went to the second plan. we arrived, in fact, one of the important events was that at that time , mr. natiq nouri was the chairman of the parliament, and mr. javad larijani was also a representative from tehran. to dr. javad larijani and my servant to create a research center for the parliament. it is an interesting point that until then, the parliament itself did not have a research center to support him in terms of expertise, it was exclusive to the government's expertise, that is, in the commissions of the parliament that were formed, government experts

would come and defend their bills from one side, and the parliament was exclusive to that. were with the establishment of the majlis research center. the failure of this monopoly means that the parliament found an independent expert for itself with a small budget, for example , 10 million tomans in the first year, the work was done , he published a scientific quarterly, very research reports. which became famous in the country and was established in expert assemblies and employed independent experts, and when the government wanted to give the second program, it was faced with these expert opinions that were presented by the research center's experts and the organization of the program when

its head, mr. mr. roghani was a zanjani, and they were very upset that the parliament now found an independent expert. one of my memories was that the government had decided to almost free the price of gasoline in the second plan and remove the subsidy for some basic goods. we saw that the effects of inflation were too much for the people at that time it is not tolerable. we presented this expertise to the parliament, which accepted it, and we held a meeting with mr. hashemi rafsanjani, who was satisfied after hearing our report, but this was something that hit the government and this made it not happen, which means that the price of gasoline does not jump too much. subsidies for basic goods should not be removed, and in short, i want to say that since

then, the research center was slowly formed, and the current building is the old building of the former scientific council. we used that national council, it became a research center and we regularly reported even to our respected representatives for their speeches they get the information and statistics of the experts' opinions from the examination center, that their lectures be documented and documented with accurate statistics and information, or for the issues they have in their chosen field , they ask the center to conduct a study and prepare a report. for macro various issues and the effects that a bill

can have on people's destiny were studied, and in short, from that time, the house of representatives found an independent expert center. later, in the fifth period , we put forward a plan, and this house, this house research center became a thing. legally and officially found that harum it continued later. this is another one of the memories of a good action, it was a turning point in the legislative history of the parliament, and another work was done with the help of the research center, which i mentioned that at that time mr. javad larjani was the head of the research center and i i was their deputy and we came. the parliament had a regulation, because you know that the whole process of the parliament, the meetings of the parliament, the approvals

and the work that is done in the commissions, whether it is an emergency plan or a bill, or a frit, is normal, all of this legislative process is done according to a regulation. that is my position important means with the vote of two thirds of the representatives. can it be approved? we have seen this version of the bylaws , it is very messed up, and for example, between the representatives to make a speech before the order. and a series of other problems, such as dealing with the budget, everyone likes to go to the parliament . because it had a special rent, the commission

of the budget program saw that there were problems. we came and did an expert work on the whole regulation, which was messed up. with the help of god, may god have mercy on him, one of the prominent lawyers of the country, who was one of the professors of the university of tehran , who passed away a few years ago, dr. hashemi, yes , he was our expert, and he came to rewrite the entire regulation and organized many things from the processes. which did not have those problems in the natakhi assembly before the order, it got the monopoly from the budget planning commission. we predicted that two people from each specialized commission would come to the commission to review the budget and program and summarize

the changes and reform the structure of the bylaws which was approved and was one of the lasting works. well, the parliament is always in sync with the society, when something bad happens in the society, now or pleasant, these things are reflected in the parliament and when there is a need, for example, instead of a flood , there is an earthquake, some incidents happen, the representatives immediately take action and follow up, and that's fine. fortunately, it is one of the blessings of the revolution that they represent the real representatives of the people and seek to solve the problems of the people, especially addressing the deprived areas, and

these words and this is the direction of the governments and assemblies, which, as far as the sources can be explained , with the priority of the deprived areas and this is also one of the features well, one of the most memorable debates in the parliament was the speeches before the order. yes, you yourself had several speeches before the order . whenever it was your turn , it was your turn . everyone had 10 minutes. when someone felt a need , he would come in a lottery and get a 5-minute one. yes, our course was the same . yes, after, for example, something happened, we would take time and come from those 5-

minute speeches. we did it for 5 minutes, especially since we were confronted. we were with that means in the beginning of the period the fifth presidential election was held in 1976. yes, mr. natiq nouri, who was the speaker of the parliament , was a candidate, and mr. khatami was also a candidate. well, mr. khatami won the vote. after that, their foreign policy positions were criticized from the platform of the parliament. mr. nabi does not believe that the period it is better for the parliament to have its elections with the presidency, that is, to be in phase , yes, we know that, and because it will be more partisan , the order of the elections will be better anyway.

our first president, unfortunately, you are yellow from the water yes, he came earlier. his authority is yes, that's it. now, what happened was an important event that came to the parliament. it's valid. well, what happened shouldn't be something that needs to be corrected . for example , there should be a 6-month gap between the parliamentary elections and the presidential elections. it means, for example, suppose this happens, which is not very good. a plan is approved, a government approves it, and then another government has to come and implement it. this is awkward, yes, but according to the law asasi apparently had no way, we did one thing and that was to remember that every

year we had an election. yes, one year there were parliamentary elections, one year was the presidency, one year was the councils. this year, in march , the leadership experts have merged with the parliament , and the presidency has merged with the councils, but now i think that the parliament should be closer to the elections that the constitution allowed, for example, if he wanted it to be like that, or should it be, for example, the term of the parliament and 4 now. we have done this constitution for 6 years we wouldn't allow it or we would shorten its term. in any case, there was something wrong with the constitution that it was not done. well, now the constitution itself seems to be slowly coming to be amended. for example, many people believe that a parliamentary system or a parliamentary republic means

whether it is the prime minister or the president , you said that the names are either presidential, parliamentary or semi-presidential, semi- parliamentary. had a prime minister it is better to be and not have a president, or to keep the same president and the same presidential situation, because it seems that the country in which there is a jurist and a leader is very much. it doesn't make sense that the president is elected by the direct vote of the people . yes, now i will give an explanation. see if it is convincing or not. in principle, the parliamentary system and even the presidential systems in the world, which has experience, rely on the party system, especially the parliamentary system. without

a party system, it might not make sense, right? it is true that we have parties in our country, but we do not have a party system, so our elections do not rely on parties the parties are not recognized in the parliamentary system, the party that gets the majority, or if several parties form a coalition and reach the majority , they have the power of the country and the government is their representative, which means that some representatives may be late. now, like in england, yes, then there is an obligatory introduction, and that is that the party system should be established, and in the electoral system of the parliamentary system, with only a party and the one we have, it is not possible, that is, in the laws of the parliament, if a party is in the majority or the minority

, there should be a provision for it. for example , the voting system itself is different, let's say there are 2 in tehran the party has two important lists, of the two parties, one may get 40% of tehran's votes , while the other has 600. that the parliamentary and presidential elections should be much closer to each other. yes, what we talked about before and all of this is actually the need to amend or amend

the constitution. maybe this is not a bad idea . it is because our parliament, the islamic council , is more efficient, i think. i think the party system is very effective, we have political currents, and someone like me may come to parliament on the list of fundamentalists, but i don't answer to that current , i will come here and apply my opinion, yes there is no commitment towards the organization, as a result , the parliament is not predictable and efficient . he is following up on him to fulfill the promises he made to the people, well, this does not exist. as a result, you

can see that maybe the parliament does not have its weight in the country as it should, especially in relation to the government, which means it is a heavy weight in our country. it is the wing of the executive branch, yes, it has the facilities and it can be said that there is some passivity in it. our parliament is facing it , mr. nabovi to provide the so-called technical means to design an electoral machine that has the right efficiency, and in short, yes, an electoral system, on the other hand , the spirit of iran does not go well with the party and the party. we can design a legal electoral system . my judgment is correct that our parties do not have a clear history, which means that they are not very pleasant for the people. my reason is that the party in iran

was not born naturally. depend they follow their interests because the party record is not very bright in iran. yes , it means based on. the need of the society, the need of the people, not being formed with the right social base in us, but i think that if they have an acceptable performance and influence on the destiny of the country, i don't think that the people will be lucky. you put the essay technically, or should we say from the point of view of the law, if in let's predict the law, that means this is even the mentality among the decision-makers, that is, this parliament period, and they tried very hard to make it official that a party

"be able" means that the people can vote for a party list , but this did not come to an end . yes, it did not come to an end among the decision-makers. there is no time to reform because every time a faction that wins says there is no change. yes, these are the problems. if we reform this legal and electoral system and the people see the results, i don't think that's why they say about the parties because the parties are cut. they train, that is, they don't send someone zero kilometers to the parliament to ask for everything. face it, it comes with a plan, it comes with an orientation, it relies on the people's vote and it relies on a support, which

is the organization and the party. it can move things forward better, that's why i say that it should appear that this should be extra-criminal by a number of senior lawyers, the amendment of the constitution should be properly designed and it should be supported by the system at the macro level. it should be done on a level that is different from the previous round , that is, they should sit nicely, study, prepare something , take it, yes, now this is it. he has been prominent for years, in any case, in the first 10 years after the constitution, the constitution was amended. it has been a long time since then. yes, it has been a long time. we can say that in terms of time, and especially experience shows that, for example, which of the articles of the constitution are ambiguous and where are they removed? the constitution

can also be amended to increase the efficiency of the system, the parliament, the government, but it really needs to be reformed, that is, it is serious, because some of the defects have been there for a long time , we just said that the parliament should be implemented, and this is what some people say, or some of them. a new problem has arisen. after all, the world is changing rapidly for example, now, one of the problems of the differences between the government and the parliament has always been the head. yes, you went to the fourth and fifth parliaments. in the sixth parliament , i was among all the candidates. i didn't vote. well, it's the same story of tehran , yes, the story of tehran, yes, but at that time, despite the fact that i was on the participation list and voted

is an article. i was saying in mehr magazine that this situation of tehran elections has technical problems and always exposes the country to crisis because the group that got 30% to 40% of the votes is one. he didn't even get a seat and he prefers that the elections be annulled. after the reformist representatives in the parliament asked me what did you mean by writing this article, i said, well, i meant technical, i mean technical, the type of electoral system, yes , we are talking about the system. and i think that now in the next parliaments, you will also be interested in being a candidate, no , i really just went to study after the fifth parliament , we said, now we are in the world of politics

, let's go see what we have seen in the science of politics, no, human experiences are recorded there. there are also good things , so now with this experience you have, you can also study what did you do in the political field, if you were going to be a member of the parliament , would you think what the current parliament, i.e. the 12th parliament, should do. the parliament can play a very important role in the efficiency of the system . and the rule of law , this human experience shows that if a system wants to be efficient, it must have a rule of law, but the law we say means laws must be transformed into a neat legal system.

now we had it arranged. among the haste of laws change as a result, this does not become a legal system. lawyers themselves give an example and say that the legal system is a living organism. just like us, there is a proportion in our body. our head should be of a certain size, if it is bigger than this , it will be ostracized, if it is small, it will be a caricature. this legal system must be adapted. it should have a balance. it is to come in a hurry. the law should be coherent. it should be balanced . a bad change will destroy this coherence. then my interpretation is that the legal system, which is formed from the set of laws, is the software of the government administration. good software, how much work would be possible if our legal system is developed.