different from the guidance patrol, yes, yes , you see, the mechanism of the guidance patrol was costly, you know , it created challenges and tension in the field between the citizens and the police , but financial deterrence and the methods that occur in the form of financial fines and financial punishments it has been experienced all over the world, and it has been proven to have an effect, like where many of the world's criminal systems use the system of punishment and criminal fines, from the united states and china, and i don't know there are many european countries, but now depending on the position of the financial penalty in the criminal system should , but i want to say that this method is a method without conflict social and influential tensions, now there should be a discussion about the mechanism of its work, mr. hosseini, what do you think, along with the cultural work that should be done, there should definitely be a financial penalty in the way that mr. iqbal pointed out or

not. allah , the most merciful, the most merciful, i offer my greetings to you, mr. dr. iqbali, and in fact , dear viewers , i hope that the discussion we are having will be useful . sociological interpretation is now covering a category that can be examined from different aspects now let's take a look at the discussion of jurisprudence, which experts should express their opinion, what is the position of the gentleman from the point of view of jurisprudence , and now you also have different points. shari'a is one thing, and the extent to which the requirement of hijab is jurisprudential and has a jurisprudential basis is another matter. which is now in place recently. we raised the issue of the obligation of hijab and this

the most important part of the hijab requirement is the subject of our discussion. it is the coercive part of the story, that is , the cultural work and even its legalization , maybe there is not much difference . in the theoretical discussion that we are having now to some extent from a sociological point of view , we say that it is reasonable that the islamic society is a society that you should pay attention to in two areas. hijab is a shari'a issue, which is necessary in the discussion of its obligation, we need these two the horizon of the islamic government and the islamic society should be taken into consideration.

is he taking steps in the path of education or is he making progress in the path of justice or not? obviously, regarding the financial penalty that he mentioned, here, i have no point at all. in fact, all discussions are about this part . is finance in the service of education or not? well, we have different views among thinkers in the field of education and sociologists that with this kind of obligation to wear hijab can cause a break from religion, can actually separate the religious class from the society, can create division in the society, can create a rupture in the society, can actually destroy social cohesion remove it, and in fact, this model of putting pressure on a category like hijab is not in the service of education. now, i would like to give an example, for example, a father who says, "sir, now my son

wants to pray, so how much pressure should i put on this?" how much right do i have to oblige him to pray , how much right do i have to punish him with a financial fine? let me tell you, sir, give me this much money, i will reduce your payment if this fine and this requirement of mine cause this child, who does not pray now , to have nothing to do with my religion. ohm and falahm, if you do , it is a priority for the child to be religious, in other words, praying.

where does the nature of punishment and punishment in general have a place in the legal system? what is its nature and what place does it have ? can he be an educator or not? well, in all educational systems of educational schools , various factors are now emphasized on virtue and ethics. and these, but the discussion of punishment and punishment, and these are also considered an educational role for him, right , it is usually the last stage, that is, often moral and educational schools, and these, this stage is the last stage of the educational process of humans, but it should not be removed. i don't know where to recommend a conversation

, i don't know what to say, even a threat doesn't answer. now, we are at the end of the stage you are in. you are now in a stage where some citizens basically do not enter into a conversation with you. basically, i don't know any advice. anders advice, please, i don't know even the threats and attention of these roshoon is not effective and they say that we want to continue the same behavior . should we continue the educational work with these? it is simple that it is to be removed at all. you should tell the philosophy of social order in school, in the university, in the family, in the media. surely no one is denying this, but when you said that some people have heard and

my entry point is somewhere else, which we will explain now if we get there, we believe that your entry point should be a place that creates social capital for governance, it should be a place that is actually supported . how many social media have you recently? the other day, there was a clip of a girl who was wearing a bad dress in the subway. now, maybe you have also seen that women who don't seem to be wearing a full hijab are warning her, saying, "lady , you shouldn't come in the subway like that. what does it mean to rule there if she enters?" the community is behind the social capital. when you enter a place where, for example, 70% of the people say, sir, i don't want you to enter into the russian debate, when you enter, you bring your own social capital, you give an example , see an example let me take this subway now i stood there, if someone steals

, the police will come and catch the thief, throw him out of the community , what will he do, he will encourage you, sir, the police are hot on your tail, a bully, for example, he has caught a thief, but now , if our police comes to the subway , he should pick up a girl who fell on her head. . what's happening outside, thank you, how much do you agree? yes , you see, mr. hosseini, they say in simple language that you should not limit your behavior to a scarf and wearing a hijab, because society does not support you. it definitely says that it should not be worn on a scarf or hijab okay, because the society does not accompany us, let's take it a little lower. well , we can ask them two questions. first of all, how do you say that roy does not accompany the series ? they don't have a headscarf, or worse , nudity and semi-nudity, the overall frequency of them in our society is below 10. well, now, for example, it is 88.

considering that the hijab has been released, their choice of this covering was that one day it would not be with them, so in this case, 8% is a stubble. . these are with a small hint that the gentleman is dating from tomorrow for example, an example is the interview of sardar radan , the respected commander of faraja, who came on tv and announced that we will attack from saturday. when he said this, from the next day, the researches showed that the number of jab detections was halved, that is, it became 8%. 4 now at that time, the number was more, at that time, the number was 13-14% in behbohe. there were recent events, for example, in february of last year , it went from 7 to 6. well, this decrease shows that a large part of these people and citizens who discover the hijab think that the hijab has been freed . what percentage is now? but

now, you announce tomorrow that the hijab bill has been approved and the police will deal with it, i tell you, this number is 7,88 to 4d, well, if this way. it's half, it's beautiful, i remember it, it's half, and now it's eight, now it's eight , now you, now you, now you, tomorrow one of these officials , the representative of the speaker of the parliament, the head of the judiciary, will come and interview that, sir, the hijab law has been approved, the amendments have been made , and it will be implemented from tomorrow, this number is 8. it comes below 45 %. well, 45% means the minority of the society, that is, those who happen to be associated with this minority. hijab is not the reason they agree with your law that imposes fines, no , it's not like they gave another statistic that

sir said that it should be mandatory. we have the same opinion . it's not like what the statistics are telling us, so this promissory note should not happen . no, sir, they say that somewhere it should be mandatory, so we should go to russia. no, he believes that a certain amount of coverage should be mandatory. we are with you , but this. we do not see this in your statistics and our statistics we are saying something other than this, so a brother, what is the problem here at all ? the point that i wanted to point out is that this hijab debate is a debate that determines the type of confrontation between the government and the people. that is , he is saying the rule from above and from here , sir .

a large percentage of people do not believe that the government should come and enter whether it is a scarf or not, so we will not have access anymore . yes , you should see your bed. so, when i see that the bottom of my society is not with me, i should not spend money on it. see , i would like to say one thing here. maybe my width will be clear. see, you have to be in proportion to the society. but now i will give an example. see, now the imam has a famous ruling. this can be said against the religion

. isn't this law a ruling of the religion, why was it there, but why did the imam take it because he says that he is acting against education, this is instead of propagating islam ? it is creating religious chaos, that's why i cancel this law, for now, look at me now, our proposal is that, sir, as a ruler , you should stop this trend, for example , men from wearing clothes that show the body or clothes that have a part of the body lower than the chest or higher than

actually the legs or it should be seen on his shoulders, this word means this is this mountain at all , what is the custom of this at all, it means that now with this law, television cannot broadcast wrestling, no wrestling can be held at all, i think that with the way it is now, it is not possible to do bodybuilding, what is the answer, mr. dr. hosseini they mix several discussions with each other , unfortunately, first of all, are you in the poll or us? what the changes in the opinions show now and the recent studies show that almost the majority of people are in favor of dealing with the phenomenon of uncovering hijab and nudity. well, mr. doctor says, why did you start with a scarf ? we are not going to go into the details of all the rules and measures. let's consider that

the people finally choose a government , trust it, and this government has confidence. do people, for example , do not know about the opening of such and such a project in such and such a place , should we conduct a survey? this economic project let him start, well, he will do it, then he has to come and comment on my hijab. this is what they think, they say, yes, if you come to the subway now and see a person who is not wearing a headscarf , he does not have a headscarf, kill him, take him, put him in the van of the people. they don't go along, so we say they don't go along. are we supposed to deal with it like this? isn't it supposed to deal with it in the law? no, by the way, the new hijab and afaf bill removes all such dealings with the level of the scarf, which is nothing even a little more than a bad-wearing scarf. according to this law, the police should intervene in the field and arrest, the watcher is for those who

have nudity or semi- nudity. 10% in the whole country. well , the fact that people are accompanying means that in this law, the police are told to arrest those who are naked and half-naked, those who are not covered, with the same deterrent methods that we have. fines are new fines. i also say that there are stages. well, for a moment , you say that you should not deal with a scarf at all, which means that i don't have a scarf, so don't deal with it.

some anomalies in society using tools the financial penalty is one of the issues that has brought different opinions in the past months . majid ansari rouhani and the politician, the scope of the modesty and hijab bill and the financial penalty is such that it will inevitably cause tension and conflict between the classes and members of the society. will bring, and in this way, the harmful effects of this law will be far more than the good ones, possibly with hijab. it will be demanding or forced by a few. hossein suzanchi, professor of the field and university. this law is cultured. but the meaning of this culturalization is not that if someone violates , he will not be punished. its focus is not punishment. do you remember that at first the police were hiding to fine them, but then they announced that

they no longer have the right to do so and should be in plain sight. it means that we don't want to fight. this difference. in my opinion, civil and criminal laws are a very important issue. bahar arvin, professor of sociology , tarbiat modares university. hijab is a cultural conflict, and you are using this exclusive tool of state violence, whether it is fines, fines, or prison, in a cultural conflict that has dire consequences for society and the social arena. mohsen mahdian, manager agent of hamshahri media institute. if you take hijab obligation does not contribute to the lack of hijab, why do we insist on applying the hijab law? the answer is simple. the reason is that the story does not end here. culture changes over time. if it is not taken care of, there is no reason for tomorrow to be better than today. ahmed bokharai, sociologist. the decision -makers and authors of the modesty and hijab bill seem to be seeking to kill people so that people

will be satisfied with fever. but the point that they may not pay attention to is that this death and complacency has only one result and that is collapse. it is social. jalil mohebi, member of the faculty of majlis research center. fines are the experience of many countries. for example, in some countries , first-time unarmed robbery only has a fine. there is a camera and it is recorded and a fine is charged from the person who regrets what he is doing. the thing that is the pillar of punishment in all the world and the world governs itself with it, imprisonment and fine. no , mr. hosseini, please tell me what is your answer , mr. iqbali, you are referring to the way of governance that you have. someone's rule has reached such a point that the online community is now sensitive and actually supports this

law, so prove it in a way . now i don't want to say whether this is right or wrong, but if it is really the case that this is actually done in some way with the researches they are doing , i don't know what they are doing in terms of media or something else, tell me, sir, now we are in our polls with this team has these words with this team, and this is actually the support of the government to enter the part, in fact, the discovery of hijab in the red line of the scarf. these words, but, in my opinion, it does not exist , and in fact, the statistics society sometimes says and i think that the bottom of the field of all viewers probably exists , in fact , it is not associated with the entry of sovereignty into the episode, in fact, rosary. the second point that actually seems to me is the same.

you see it socially and this is going on in the social space. these words are important for the importance of social capital. in this work, what we are saying, sir, take this into account. i think that we are neglecting it in the government. look , you made a hint about the elections of the islamic republic. you mentioned an entry point, please tell me that entry point i mean, we have to get it from the bottom of the society, that is , where is the entry point of the society that supports that the government enters into this ? well, maybe the entry point of the society is that, sir, clothes that don't cover the body, for example, the breasts can be found. ok, you have to get involved in these words , but definitely the entry point of the society now is not that if a man is known for his behavior, go and fine him 10 million, and these words are not

suitable at all. mr. iqbali, if i say something wrong, i will say it for the first time for my men, if, for example, ron if found behind their heads , they have up to 8 million fines, actually the second, third, fourth and fifth. 8 to 18 million and after that, in fact , imprisonment is not allowed in this part, but for example, the fine goes a step higher, it seems, and even the passports, for example , i will not be allowed to leave my country for two years, this is how i think now. i wrote it down and i saw it in the bill. it means it's not you at all, sir , where did you get this basis from, what did you see ? it's not clear at all , this is the collar limit, see what the result will be. do you want to stand on this headscarf, for example , i am against you on this headscarf, in fact i am against you, what is shown in the statistics shows that after the incident of your pious person, the number of

hijabs discovered has actually increased, why is it because this transformation it has become a political tool, there is a political competition , it is considered to be a hijab issue, it means that he feels that the government is killing the society. the tool to control his own authority , the symbol of his own authority, which has been used since before the adventures of some of the recent events of the country, that is , from august 1401 to now, which has increased . now, its jurisprudential basis and in fact its customary and social basis is not clear. look at the point i wanted to make, this social capital and the government should not be underestimated. this social capital is very

important. it can't be spent so easily . look, you had an election. 98 people came to vote. after that, it went below 50. in the previous parliamentary elections, it reached 42, don't get me wrong. i mean, look what this is. what has happened is that these are actually their own people in this government. they don't know the involvement and he is not willing to come and vote like that. why, because he doesn't see this action, he doesn't see any interference , sir, you don't see me, so why should i come to vote? how effective can the thinking of the next parliament be in these orders please tell me, i understand that the government really needs to make a fundamental change, that is to understand that sir, the path i have taken so far was wrong. spend here, spend there. spend it, it becomes sabotage , it becomes embezzlement

, this law is contrary to the law, in fact, mr. so-and-so works. pay attention, sir , what should i do to revive this social capital ? first of all, you agree with mr. hosseini they say that this method that you mentioned, from the beginning of the discussion until now, this entry with financial fines and entry with the police force , do you think it will reduce the social capital of the system or not? the government has arrived, the government has arrived, the system has arrived, and so far you have seen, by the way, what happened in the bill and is going to be implemented, god willing. the restoration of social capital is working, see where these oppositions to the hijab law and to the issue of the obligatory answer to this did not get joy

from a behavior. in a way, maybe some unprofessional the police officers in the form of guidance patrol , which we are also critical of, of course, the police of the faraja ahmadullah complex are very professional and very committed in this process, but in any case, for example, one officer is in one place, because in the media age , we are in one place. a violation or a place, for example , makes a mistake, it creates an image and affects the mentality of the society . and there, it causes this mentality to be created that the police arrests, kills, etc. , you know this mentality is created by the media, the reality of the police's behavior is not like this, but this bill happened to destroy that too. the police was the way you say , it doesn't reach a percentage at all, for example, one thousandth of a percent , that is, for example, you saw, for example, once every 2 months, a clip was found somewhere, while the police

were present in the square. every day, for example, thousands of reminders, and i don't know if he did so and so or the mohseni story that happened, was it the first time that some women were taken to a class , they were given a lesson? it happened, even though it was not a process, but now the prevailing mentality is that the police is doing this he kills women, you know, this mentality is your mentality , once in two months or this one again , you don't think that it is enough. why did we remove it because it was thought that it was too much , that is, in the hijab law, this kind of behavior will be removed. the police no longer have the right to arrest , take him to muqreed and teach him. no, mr. hosseini said that it should be revised. this revision has been revised exactly. we don't have any of the previous problems, no, by the way, it has become more efficient , it has become more deterrent, and it is compatible with how you can do what you said just now.

once a month, there is no such thing and there is no tension anymore , that is, when he is not going to arrest someone, then there is no more fighting, tension, filming, and so on . anyone who discovers hijab will be intelligently identified , he will be sent a text message, and he will be fined. do you agree? see this way. i still have a lot of questions about mr. hosseini's issues . i don't want to answer a little bit. i want you to see the point. mr. iqbal , they don't pay attention to people's internal affairs. sir, i don't want to argue about this outside, well now i have the technology to take a picture i'll take it. for example, he will receive a text message saying, for example, you have to go and pay a fine of 10 million tomans, for example. well, no, i just had a short question for you. do you think that he will not have these problems? i say that those problems may not have happened abroad. well, but inside.

the person who is fined because of his illegal behavior will be upset . you are running a red light. things like you go property for example, if you pay taxes, the tax will be cut for you , for example, a million tomans. well, you have worked. i mean, because of this dissatisfaction, because social capital does not come, or for example , you don't like cursing, you must have your laws , you must have your social regulation mechanisms , you must have a social order in any case, as a government, now this order is definitely socialism has its opponents , especially those who are supposed to

exist because of this social order. the issue is whether you should retreat, no, you should have a red line somewhere, like i say, for example, you say, sir ok, because the people are upset, there is economic pressure , there is a corruption of the officials, the gentlemen are doing that , for now, we will not put an officer in our streets for a while to control the traffic, for example, the people, for example, are angry , what does it mean that you should go to those roots , do your own reforms, is there anyone who is against, for example? dealing with that gentleman who eats a forbidden morsel , everyone agrees that he should be dealt with the most severe punishment, or for example , is anyone against us to stop corruption and corruption ? economic corruption on the other hand, deal with those who disturb the cultural order and social order .