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this means that according to this law, the police is responsible for interfering in the square and arresting those who are naked. or those who are half-naked , and the number of nudity and semi-nudity is less than 10% in the whole country. well, the fact that my people are accompanying me means that in this law , the police have been told to arrest those who are naked and half-naked, those who have their heads covered. there is no problem with the same deterrent methods that we have that you say, yes, fines, new fines, there are steps . well, for a moment, you say that it is completely with the russians. don't touch means that i don't have a secret
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, don't touch. how do you say that? okay by the way, i will tell you that if we want it like this , i will say that the withdrawal of the government from this stage is the same as the chinese government's religion. it means that they will tell you to come and be an opponent. let's see a report that my colleague is making. we will come back and continue the conversation . we will be at your service. the issue of hijab and social control of some anomalies in the society by using the financial penalty tool is one of the issues that has brought different analysis and opinions in the past months . majid ansari, cleric and politician. area the afaaf, hijab, and financial fines bill is such that it will definitely cause tension and conflict between the sections and members of the society . the harmful effects
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of this law are far more than the good ones, possibly with the voluntary or compulsory hijab of some people . hossein suzanchi is a professor of the university and the university. but it is not a punishment. do you remember that at first the police used to hide in order to fine them, but then they themselves announced that they no longer have the right to do this and should be exposed, which means that we don't want to. take a wrist this difference between civil and criminal laws is a very important issue in my opinion. bahar arvin, professor of sociology, tarbiat modares university. hijab is a cultural conflict, and you are using this exclusive tool of state violence, whether it is a fine, punishment or prison, in a cultural conflict, which has unfortunate consequences for the society and the social arena. mohsen
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mahdian, managing director of hamshahri media institute, if the removal of the hijab requirement does not contribute to non-hijab, why do we insist on the implementation of the hijab law? the answer is simple, the reason is that the story does not end here. culture changes over time, if it is not controlled, there is no reason for tomorrow to be better than today. sociologist ahmed bukharai . but the point that they may not pay attention to is that this death and being satisfied with the fever has only one result and that is social collapse. jalil mohebi, a member of the scientific faculty of majlis research center. fines are the experience of many countries. for example, in some countries , first-time non-machine gun robbery only has a fine. camera it is registered and a fine is charged from the person who regrets what he does. that which is the pillar of punishment. it is all the world and the world
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governs itself with it, it is imprisonment and fine. do you agree with mr. hosseini who says that this method that you mentioned, from the beginning of the discussion until now, this entry with financial fines and entry with the police force , do you think it will reduce the social capital of the system or not, do you think it is a revision compared to what has happened so far regarding the hijab of the government, the government has come and entered the system. log in and see what happened in the bill it has fallen and it is going to be implemented, god willing , it is working towards the restoration of social capital . look at these objections to the hijab law and to the issue of compulsory surrogacy. we are also his critics.
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of course, the faraja ahmadullah police are very professional and committed in this process , but in any case, for example, an officer in one place , because we are in the media age, somewhere there is a violation or somewhere, for example, he makes a mistake. it affects the mentality structure of the society and it causes this mentality to be created that the police arrests, kills, etc., you know this mentality is created by the media, the reality of the police's behavior is not like this, but this bill happened by chance , and the police's behavior was like what you are saying. it does not reach a percentage, for example one thousandth of a percent. i don't know if he was doing something or the same mohseni thing that happened. was it the first
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time that some women were taken to a class to explain something ? it wasn't, but what now? mind. by the way, it has become more efficient, it has become more deterrent , and it is compatible with how you can do that , for example, now you were saying that these incidents did not happen once every two months, but now, for example, it does not happen once every two months , because there is no such thing as a collision on the street anymore. as a rule, there is no border and tension
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, that is, when you are not going to arrest someone , then there is no fight, tension, and filming, and the person who is surprised by kashf will be identified intelligently by text message. they don't pay attention to the inside of people, their story is that, sir , i don't fight about it outside, well, now i have technology, i will take a picture of it, for example. he receives a text message saying, for example, you have to pay a fine of 10 million tomans, for example. then have a short question from them that now you think that this will not have those problems. i say that those problems may not happen outside, well, but it is happening inside the people, that is , it is the people , it is being created in them. the intermediary of his illegal behavior
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will be fined, he will be upset, you are going to pass a red light right now, you are going over the speed limit , you will receive a fine text message, you will be cursing, shouldn't the police do this, what does it mean for social capital? you have many things, for example, you go to property , for example, you pay taxes, they cut you taxes, for example , a million tomans, well, you worked, you did economic work , you made a business, you have to pay taxes, when you want to pay taxes, everyone is unhappy like this , they are often like this, well, this unhappy means you because of this dissatisfaction because of the lack of social capital or, for example, don't care about cursing, you must have your rules , you must have your social adjustment mechanisms anyway. as a ruler, you have to establish a social order , now this social order definitely has opponents especially those who are going to pay because of this social order, the issue is whether you should retreat, no, you should have a red line somewhere, like i say, for example, you say, sir
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, ok, because people are upset, there is economic pressure , there is embezzlement of the officials, gentlemen, that's what you do. for the time being, we will not put an officer in chahar ramon for a while to control the order, for example, to control the traffic. people, for example, are angry , what does it mean that you should go to those roots and do your reforms instead? is anyone, for example, against dealing with that gentleman who eats forbidden food ? everyone agrees that with he was severely punished for example, is there anyone who is against us to stop corruption and corruption, but this is not something, they are not a nuisance , they are not in conflict with each other, you should deal with economic corruption from that side. deal with those who disrupt cultural order and social order. sir , it is a contradiction that we should not supervise textbooks. i don't know. it is injustice. we should not supervise the movies that are produced.
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you have to monitor the elements of cultural and social order and basically the custodians of this area are also different this is similar to this. who else is in charge here ? who else is in charge there? everyone has to do their own thing. another thing that should be mentioned about the doctor's orders is who said that you should consult people's opinion for the details of your decisions. make a decision , there is no such thing at all. it is not like this anywhere in the world. they say, sir , do you agree that we should have control over cultural work, for example, over the field of culture? they also say that no control should be applied to the details, for example, me now, how should i apply an audit on the books that the ministry of guidance authorizes, for example, they should take the people, no, the people say, we trusted you here , after all, we voted for a government, that
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government has come based on these standards that the expert work determines. you say that we should take these limits from the bottom of the society, i say no , we should take the limits from the work of scholars, from the work of elites, from the research work that this happened in this layer, mr. hosseini, you agree, no, i do not agree, now if i want to say a few quickly one is to see that i am a father. i want to pray read, well, can i oblige this or not , i am likely to be able to, if i beat him, he might bend and straighten, if i cut off his power , he might bend and straighten, well, but can i force him to perform the blood prayer, no, probably, even if, for example, a child from i'm afraid of being fined. later , when i didn't have that fine anymore, he starts cursing a lot of things away from jon. well , actually, the pressure i put on him to change his appearance is hurting him inside. well, we have to pay attention to the inside of our society. pay attention to this. punishment and
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punishment are not supposed to be on the social scale of people. you educational systems are something else, it is a school, you are not supposed to disbelieve, that the punishment should be the punishment for the conformity of the citizens with the norms. this is the mission of the norms. we will take the norms that the people do not set . we are not going to set the norms based on the people's votes. the people do not decide whether the hijab should be worn or not in the islamic society. well, the hijab was definitely talking about the punishment , whether it be financial or otherwise. at all at all they say that i don't know if the punishment will harm my child.
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you see, i believe that financial fines are one of the most efficient and proven methods of deterrence. the party is fined once, he says, "okay , i will be fined twice, three times. can even the richest people in the upper city of tehran forgive a lot, for example, their dog's food is a million tomans ." it's hard for him
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, he says a million tomans fine, so what's the matter? i'll come and agree. look , this financial deterrence means that you have to run a red light, you have to pay money, you'll be fined in some way, you'll be fined with a belt, you'll be fined, this behavior is a social violation. if we have this financial deterrence penalty, we will talk about it, an experience. there is a history, a scientific summary behind it, a detailed explanation , and i have a question, mr. hosseini. do you think that this money is more expensive than jon aziz? this model that mr. iqbali is referring to, can it match or not? i asked a question, well, mr. iqbali also expressed his opinion , in other words, we take hanjar from islam , well, even assuming that we take hanjar from islam, but the method. we have to measure that norm against the bottom of the society, that is, the religious view itself also says it mr. prophet, when
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the emissary came step by step, it was not like that until it became clear that he said, sir , you have to do everything, as if this is a logic of upbringing , every teacher knows this, every mother and father knows this, but you are against what mr. iqbal says that we should not. let's take a survey with the people , of course, they say that this is a characteristic issue of the religious ruling and it should be applied, but their opinion is this . you have to raise the bottom of the society, don't you see the damage? look, let me give you an example. it's you and me. now that poll of the people is necessary.
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today, the conditions of legal and criminal treatment. we don't have the traditional hijab, because many people wear the traditional hijab, but we have to deal with the discovery of the hijab and nudity. they say that it has been expertized . well, it hasn't. actually, in our opinion, we have a method in sociology, the delphi method. how many people hire experts to draw up questionnaires and this is useful to this extent, in other words, friends who want to determine the floor of the field , we did not see the demand for the floor of the field, i saw from them that it was an invitation. asking the professors to come and comment and so on, but the fact that the floor does not determine this is the end he can give you a good questionnaire. according to our interpretation , i have a problem with this law. well, we are at the university level of this system, and we know the opinion of sociologists of educational sciences or even some jurists in this field. in fact, the bill has not been seen in this discussion, which means that the problem is that they
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are talking about cameras, for example, driving directions. by the way, you are a good example. the law did not reduce it, but it increased it, because in one way , it means that this social capital is actually the operator where it should stand and stand, but in somewhere , if you don't like it, it will reduce your social cold. i emphasize how social it is. look, we had a riot last year. perhaps the most violent kind of riots that iran had actually experienced last year was from stripping and, for example, and other things , well, where does this hidden anger come from, that when it finds a place where it can be expressed , it suddenly appears, we are the same social capital that this social capital has decreased. he has a problem, he has complexes, he has a secret anger
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waiting for this to actually find an opportunity to go out, well, i don't want to say for everyone. ok, i'll just be in a place where you can't recognize my face. look, this is hidden anger. what do you want to do with this? this dualization of society happened to me recently. i was walking in a pasashi, a lady. you are taking a picture, i said , dad , what should i
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do to take a picture of you, sir, there was a lot of noise. i want to see this unity everyone should be together, this is the energy of my society . look, we are facing an economic problem in the islamic republic that we cannot solve at all . well , inflation for several decades and i don't know. why, because of this decrease in social capital, he doesn't see anything related to you , he doesn't feel a sense of belonging to the islamic republic, well, when he doesn't feel it, when he wants to, he migrates, we were once children, they say, run away with scissors, hands, feet, heart and everything they are running away. well, the statistics say that the rate of immigration in iran is actually high according to some of us, the desire to immigrate is twice as much. why is it that because i did not see you, these people are not seen, and this hijab law is a symbol of the fact that i do not really mean to ask people's opinion about everything. but it is clear that the people, in their view, are different from the government
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, and they can definitely do it anyway . an hour means thousands of hours of undergraduate work with different opinions, and i don't know what it means to say that a certain intellectual spectrum comes to writing, it is not really like that. and you can publish it, that is, make it public , the results, not the bill, the results of these investigations and your research, anyway, since you mentioned that some of these are confidential, anyway, these are the decisions that have been made, the questions that have been asked of the target community that have been asked, in any case, maybe can it help people to have a better understanding of this matter? yes, exactly, now i am not very good at wanting to publish it because i don't have access to some of them, but i agree, we
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did what you thought about. our site is there and friends can access it but the point that mr. doctor says is that this anger, as i said, is social anger. look, when a person goes to the office for any reason, the client wants him to do his job. for example, man, what am i saying, the clerk of that counter went to the bathroom for a minute or , for example, i don't know, a phone goes off and he starts, he is the person who is in a hurry, he wants his work to start sooner, so-and-so starts swearing that i don't know you, sir, so-and-so, your system is broken, sir, this is social anger, after all, it's a natural thing, we have to say drinking water . is it prohibited in the workplace by supervisors? what does it mean? well, he has to pay a certain amount of money for social order. sir, you say that citizens don't pay anything for social order. citizens
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of absolute will, sovereignty of absolute passivity, what does this mean , where in the world does he say this, really, nowhere in the world confirms this. we say yes, if the logic of your law is distorted, let's talk about it. but every law has its opponents. especially those who are subject to the law, especially those who , for example, you went to build a tower on the edge of the sea border, the river border, i don't know, the judiciary came and destroyed your tower, so you will be found to be anti-revolutionary. it is obvious that you are cursing this system from head to toe, well, you should not do it, say, sir, this is the scratch, this will get you stuck somewhere, it will take your head, so no, what does that mean , you have to pay for it, you have to go and fix it. if your attitude is not right, yes, you are right, but you have to do the right thing, speak the right thing, speak the truth, but it is bitter, some people oppose the truth, you
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have to back down from the truth , that's about the hijab. if he wears hijab, he will disagree with his behavior, i will be angry, and if he catches you somewhere, urban arbat will do it. that's fine, you have to tell him, sir, you have no right to oppose, you have to obey the law, but you say that you point your arrow at the government and say, "oh, look at the social anger of the people, come back. well, i 'm telling you, okay, you'll back down from this. " he is arguing with you in another place and wants to take that social anger to another place . what should we do there? let's sit back and answer this question. well, we have four minutes less time. mr. hosseini, in any case, you did not agree with this type of financial penalty, so far you have presented several reasons.
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there should be a starting point, there should be a point where we should come and enter anyway , where do you think it is, where should it be entered, where and how should it be dealt with, if we do not impose a financial penalty, i would like to tell you that i want to be more specific. first of all, regarding iqbali's statement, this is an idea that if you sit back from this step, you have to go back. in fact, the experience of some countries in this region does not say this. countries where hijab is not mandatory. there are also muslims, and their red lines are not violated much, and their biological and social order is much better than these words are ours. well, now i won't name names, because maybe it's about mass media and such words, but you see, sir, this social requirement does not exist legally, but there are other social monitoring systems. but about your order. we don't believe that in reality, for example, people always say that the ruler should be passive, no
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, we really don't see it as one-sided. it should be seen this way and this should be seen in the bed. i am talking to you about this this is to some extent a test of the current text of the hijab layer of this text. i am asking you to read it now. probably a lot of people follow this text, i mean , i don't know how this text came out, i don't know what happened, you should go and see this text, it is really a terrible thing to perform it , that is, i, who consider myself a sympathizer of the revolution, am afraid of performing this text. i will go find it, read it, and see what was asked of the ruler, in fact, in the virtual space, about the employment and employment of these people, i don't know. men should. what kind of crimes have been punished and other things
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? if it is applied correctly, in the right amount in the right model, it might be a very good model. where is that model and its right place , you have to find it on the floor, and it should be a survey , which unfortunately is not and we do not see it. well , as a researcher, i am specialized in you. i have not yet seen any survey in this area that says, sir , that people are supported by their social capital in this area. there is a research center of the majlis, they have also researched and thought about arteza. with the budget of baitul-mal, sir , they will make a few sets of surveying the floor of the square. say, sir , we have reached this point with the support of this research . another problem we have with this work is that this martyrdom is really extreme, which of course the authors themselves emphasized that we, sir
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, have laid down a kind of law that no one dares to reject. tick yeh yeh we put a fine that no one dares to refuse , which means that they include this as their legislative strategy in this law. one wonders a little , father, why do you have to deal with it in such a strong and thick manner, so the fine is in place and in the right amount. the correct form can be a channel , but what it is now is very far from it. thank you very much to both guests of the program, all the good viewers of the program above. yes, our time has ended because i started with you, with mr. hosseini. those who were with us until this moment are higher than hero or higher, wherever we are today, i will be higher tomorrow.
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