the third title arrived. thank you for your company. today is saturday 28 february. in tehran, the sunset will be at 17:47, the maghrib call to prayer will be at 18:6, and the sharia midnight will be at 23:36 tonight. we are joining the higher election debate and my colleague, mr. bozor, please install it. please, thank you , mrs. hosseinzadeh, in the name of god. greetings, politeness and respect . i am serving all the special viewers of the higher election program. do you know whether or not there have been various plans for private fertilizer for working children, especially working children a street is being built, but for whatever reason , we still see that these children are still working in the streets . our debate today

is dedicated to this issue with the collective supporters and opponents of working children. if you are interested in this discussion , please watch us on the news channel . thank you. the importance of elections in electing a strong parliament. the key to this is in the hands of the people, iranian coach sharaf iran. telegram channel is playing across the country.

you are a special companion of the election program one of the important pillars of the election is that the field is open for the presence of different political, economic and cultural views so that everyone can actively participate in the big election contest in the big election contest . they are talking about collecting children for street work. as you know, according to the laws and what is defined, people who are under 15 years old and work are considered child laborers. in another definition, between 15 and 18 years old are also considered teenagers they must be employed under one condition obviously, if a child is forced to work, the child becomes a laborer, and our issue is that at the city level , where we see children working in the streets, the municipalities in the past years, both the municipality and the government have implemented many plans to

collect the children's work. do it or organize it or titles like this, but these muafghan activities have opponents in the manner and manner of their implementation, and today's debate above is also dedicated to this . please join us. hello, we have started. well , companion, why are you a special companion of the above program here in the studio ? we are mr. to the head of the association of workers iranian social group are present as the collective opposition of working children and mr. ahmadi, the managing director of the welfare organization of social participation services of tehran, are present as the supporter of collecting or organizing or titles similar to this, they will explain more. greetings and blessings to both guests. i would like to start the program with mr. mousavi and the question of where does your opposition to the gathering of working children come from and for what reason. in the name of god who is nearby, i greet you

, my dear friend, mr. dr. ahmadi sadr and dear viewers, i am glad to have this topic in this situation you will deal with it sometime and i am happy that expert opinions are going to be raised . and as a social worker, i want to point out that the beginning of the word you mentioned, collection , is not a word related to humans at all. a bylaw was written in 1400 and later friends

came and went to amend this bylaw to say that they had to do something during their management period. unfortunately, using the term collection, which is a completely inhumane term, when we start with the word collection, it means that the person we are going to cut from the street level is not a person. see , in my opinion, this is the most dangerous look we have in the social sphere. unfortunately, we are also inciting it under the title of organizing . we can't even organize people . it's true that the word "organization" is in the regulations of 2004 for street children. it was used. i disagree with the word collection, one, two, i disagree with the collection itself. for the first time, the first experience of working with children was the cars that collected hundreds of pedestrians

, and sometimes even these anti-riot cars were used to collect the children , and we had a lot of fights. we discussed with the supreme administrative council of the ministry of interior, when dad, what are you doing? at that time, i was on welfare, so this form is not appropriate at all. it is far more than the places that we have written for children , that is, on the street to take care of these children it is better, more is done , the safety of the children is

greater. we prevailed on the collection, we collect all, maybe i think more than 30 times since 1978 until now , we had the experience of collection plans in different governments . we didn't collect at all , which means we didn't let this happen, but all in all during these 25 6 years, we have collected 30 more than 30 times , now 31 times a report has been prepared in the parliament about this issue. let's treat it like a hundred passers-by. the next issue is that we are actually against collection. our belief is that i don't know, mr. dr. ahmad, do i agree

or disagree with this statement? we say absorption and identification of collection, not when we say absorption and identification of the experience that in iran, we had a lot of people who work on these issues , which are honestly more than the government here now. are involved in this matter, in fact, when it is detected and identified, the type of encounter with these people is as a citizen, not as a nuisance, not as a barrier, many of these children work to provide for their families, so when you go to young. as for poverty and prostitution , it was actually prepared a few years ago, where children leave iran for some reason and what happens outside the border , then

they return with anger. that's it , when you collect them, they will hide and go to you then they go to the work that message. the negative consequences are far more, so we do not allow the issue of child labor and child labor in the street due to the predominance of political viewpoints and political exploitations , in fact it hinders that human perspective in the interaction and attraction and identification of these children. thank you very much, mr. ahmadi, what do you think? because in mr. zakani's municipality during this period, they mentioned that the programs are now under the title of organization. jamavari, adjustment of social harms, is being implemented under different titles , what is your opinion, why do you think children should be working now, or jamavari, or organizing, or any other word? in the name of allah, the most merciful , the most merciful, i offer my greetings

to all the dear and respected viewers of this program, and i congratulate you on the shabaniyah holidays. see, looking at the statement of my honorable friend, mr. dr. mousavi, and the question you asked about the collection, we have to share our common ground that we do not believe in the word collection at all , that we definitely do not believe in the collection itself, in fact. we rely on the word itself to collect and act in the field of children , we don't accept both the word collection and the act of collecting, but let's go to another topic and the main topic is this. some friends don't use

it. what is happening on earth. is the child actually a child or a teenager under 18 years old, 7 years old, 6 years old, 5 years old? there is a very, very important point to see. the work and the issue of street children and injury will come to a certain point social issues have reached a point where the authorities neglect them in different periods in one or two decades. in particular, a much more special neglect has happened . the country is in 2016, well, when it becomes an issue. the most dangerous issue of the country should be this way from the perspective of the officials.

in 1996, when there was talk about child labor, there was talk about social harms, and the work was brought to the point where the supreme leader of the revolution actually reminded the authorities of how many children were on the street in 1996. how many drug addicts did we have? in 1040 , when we started the new period of tehran municipality's urban management, how many did we have? hasn't this number increased by tens of times ? what has caused these children and these social harms to multiply, is paying and using a tool called a street child, a tool called an addict. jaher , a tool called sleeping cartoon and different parties and groups jumping to each other with the name of

sleeping cartoon with the name of the child, did not cause him to miss his duties. the main thing is for them to remain open. the 14 institutions are obliged by law to serve in the field of social harm . these 14 institutions should respond when the order of the leadership took place. doctor, do you agree that it was from 1995 that he first entered the leadership position in this field, nothing special happened , that's my point, i want to say that we should go one by one, see that social harms do not happen overnight, social harms in one or two decades , it has grown more, it has reached its peak, it has reached a stage that has become a crisis, now some people like it or not. when the issue becomes the most dangerous issue in the country, the crisis room is formed, the crisis room comes, investigates

, investigates, enters. now, whether it is a collection or not, we should not come to the middle of the field. this is a fundamental question, according to the report and reference of the majlis research center 32 times, the collection plan , friends. in the previous decades in shahrhar metropolis of tehran, it was done 32 times unsuccessfully, now you want to call it a rain, why was it a collection. two, based on the principles, morals, human dignity, and preserving the value of this child , it did not happen. you are dealing with this phenomenon. we actually came and presented this plan. our plan was not meant for tehran municipality. we had more than 40 meetings with civic groups, activists and those who work in the field of children. in the meetings we had, criticisms were raised. and 14

trustees in the tehran social headquarters , which was formed in 1400, at the end of 1400, under the chairmanship of mr. dr. zakani , one of the working groups that was formed was the special working group for working and street children. in fact, the public and non-governmental now idiom. the institution of people coming to sit next to each other , criticizing the output of it, in fact, the meetings became a model that i can explain at the time or now that this model. one, this is a pentagon, if any of these pentagons, then just say your title, because we can respect the time, tell us the title so that we can go and see the street children's talent development project, which is one of the stages of recruitment and identification that mr. the doctor

starts with attraction, identification and attraction, but it doesn't end here, there is a continuation, thank you mr. musa. how much do you like this empowerment and street children's talent search, do you believe that you must have read the plan and know what it is? yes , i have seen the plan. look, i want to say two or three things. when you look at a social issue from a social point of view , you cannot advance your cartoon with a social approach . i have said this many times. i criticized and analyzed why because the predominance of the view that is in the camp view is not social approaches, that's why we come to see, now i don't know how much dr. sadr himself agrees with this issue or not when dr. zakani was the mayor of tehran. i was listening to the live interview, and he said, i am asifa i understand that the same phrase as bringing to zero, now, later

, the words to delete, etc. , were actually used, because the approach is not a social approach. it is not a camp view, it is a completely politicized view . well, the second point is what is happening now in the new plan that friends actually have. while i appreciate all the efforts that i have made , there is nothing different from this regulation of street children. we go beyond even that regulation. mr. doctor , did you read the children's law? you read the regulation, it is correct that 27 devices are responsible in this area, not the 13 or 14 devices that are in the regulation the reality is that the institutions do not consider themselves responsible for legal duties, no one is demanding, after those meetings they were supposed to do a great job, what else happened

, other than that an organization was formed just to explain what happened to the money. influence look, i want to see the bottom of the earth. i didn't see any noticeable change in the approaches . you know why, because the institutions that have legal responsibility in this field, no one will hold them accountable. and a few years because of the issue of working and street children he has criticized him, he has asked him a question, maybe a statement. we have published even the report that the research center got, a report went to another archive, what happened, should they go to investigate , discuss, ask questions, demand, or ask questions, nothing actually happened in this area, another matter, dr. ahmadi, peace be upon you. how many years have you been in this field

? you are very kind to me. i have devotion to you . it is not a child's concern to force the organization and some managers to show themselves as the hero of this field without knowing have an accurate understanding of the realities of this field. we should categorize these children working in the street . you will not find any example that does not have at least one responsible organization. at least one responsible organization. that's right, we abandoned the organizations , we abandoned the governorate, whenever it was winter , a person died in the street , there was a lot of noise. except that all these 32 three projects that were done, if

you look at how many signs they have, the big man installed one or conference. it was because we wanted there to be no children in the streets so that they would not see our foreign guests or there was another national event that happened . they resort to plans to collect strikes that they knew from the very beginning were doomed to failure and it is interesting that none of these plans lasted more than two or three weeks, that is, when i started working. it's right, immediately realizing this is a forced look, and now the look is not the child's concern. i want to give you an example.

you see, something is happening, mr. mousavi, when the most dangerous issue in the country becomes a problem , a camp must be formed. why is a camp formed ? because we share the same problem that you are saying, the apparatus and institutions not performing their legal duties properly. now what should the child do? let's sit at the table and say that the devices did not work . what is it that we came to the municipality square , the law does not have a direct duty towards children , you don't have the law now. my book is with you, they know that the municipality does not have a direct duty , we have one thing to say, that is, we have formed a camp, we have one thing to say, stop

talking, talking, challenging this government, that government, condemning this parliament , questioning that parliament. yes, they should be taken, but someone should come to the middle of the square. when we came to the middle of the square , they told us about the same devices to mr. dr. zakani. mr. dr. zakani it's not your business at all , mr. dr. zakani, what point are you pointing out , the same sentence that the supreme leader said, the supreme leader said that this is our family , look at the social harms as if this is your family, these are from they are your parents. they say that the runaway girl in the street is my daughter . the drug addict boy in the street is my son . my question is the same. by the way, it may be a common criticism. mr. official, your daughter is running away in the street, you are sleeping, you don't come to the middle of the square, then they sit more and debate, in the debate, yes, i am speaking.

i am saying that other friends are also talking, but which official came to the square and said, mr. mousavi , he says that this is the way to pay attention to the child . by the way, we are paying attention to the child with principles and in fact , we are breaking it into pieces with moral-based measures and orders . we say, sir, this child who is on the street , this economy on the street, these exploiters on the street, should someone finally go to them or not ? he should return to his family and be saved, he should not be on the street may you say that the street floor is safer than some centers and these. i want to say that this child who lives on the street and is given drugs in such and such a park in tehran moves because if he is big, he

will be dealt with, but if he is small, he will not be dealt with. this child who is being exploited and from the cities of tehran give money to his family , they give money to a family, they take these 5 children, they take them , they exploit them in tehran, in shiraz, this child who comes hits the glass, and in fact, with pleas, wishes , begging and with tears, it's a psychological burden. very sangin creates a burden for that family who is inside his own car, and it brings stress to him , and if he gets any help, it will cause that child to stay on the street and enter into addiction , moral corruption, and issues like this. it dictates to us that mr. mayor of tehran, you have 10% responsibility for that. whatever responsibility you have, you must know that there is a pole of change and transformation in the world. come

to the middle, you know, now you are in the middle of the field, set a model for yourself . if it was a police station, if it was a police station, there would not be more than 40 meetings with angie and civil and public activist groups. from 38 meeting of the social camp at 6 o'clock. in the morning, with the presence of all the custodian devices, 27 devices, 14 main devices and secondary devices were not formed . please note that this 480 has been implemented in 82% of the social settlements , thank you. i studied the approvals that were approved and implemented in the social camp, some of them

were stuck in the throats of these organizations and institutions between 6 months and 6 years and could not be carried out. do you know why because this camp social media came and changed the distance of 2 years, 3 years, and 6 years between the devices to 2 meters on the other table . these paskaris actually stopped the paskaris and caused the devices to be responsible. mr. dr. i have experience in this field, usually when projects like this start, it takes a month or two, not two years. no, it's been two years since you started the work . if it starts, what is this street child doing? now we see street children everywhere we go . it has been fixed. the fact is that after a while, you will be alone like in the previous projects. this project, like the previous 32 projects, will be added to

the report that we will have. don't doubt this matter, but now you have come to the middle and it has been fixed . the municipality has no power to demand anything from government agencies. you may say that i received an interview from the government, which in my opinion was the most unprofessional interview approved by the government, that is, the government came and said that i do not trust my governor. i don't trust the government organizations. he doesn't trust my governor . so, a public non-governmental organization should come to coordinate the government. we started something. today, mr. zakani decides not to be the mayor anymore, the city council decides if he is not the mayor, or if he gets promoted , he gets a higher position because of his abilities, so what is the story, the same order again.

the closed corps, you see, our government agencies have a serious difference, mr. musa, we have a lot of differences with each other, the issue of the child, the issue of sovereignty, you see , we have an important point in every work on the ground in the country, come to the square, see, look , let's talk in the square there together , we should come out and say that the machine is not working, well , it didn't work, i am saying that why the working group was foreseen in the constitution and the law, why the council it was predicted that these arrangements would be made. why didn't it happen? with the arrival of the municipality, that is, with the arrival of the municipality, that is, the municipal headquarters of the country's social council, its power is greater, yes , its power, its power. at the end, the decision is being made. at the last point, measures are being taken

. see what i am saying on the ground. see what would have happened if the tehran municipality had not come . let's review this together. if the tehran municipality is not here, nothing special will happen, no, not many things happened to me as a citizen. as a citizen, i naturally look at social issues are not like ordinary citizens , because of the type of work i am doing, it has been fixed. i go to different places in tehran , i go to different places in iran, just like this. we should not think that with the formation of this camp, the issue of the street child, the problem is that mr. dr. mousavi's friends interpret the camp in a different way . those who work in this field and have many meetings, but being in the field is better than being

the mayor of tehran. ahmed fekar should start show your respect and tell me, sir, i am the mayor of tehran , why are so many mr. mousavi looking for this? look at your words, but the municipality can't answer the government organizations. the right words , the right words, if they don't turn into big stones, it's wrong, see. your words are true words, but they are big stones in front of the implementation of the plan. we never claimed that the real plan we are giving is one hundred and definitely not flawed. no, it definitely has flaws. today, at 8:00 am , we announced the honorable deputy minister of justice and angie, the various groups that will participate and the devices coming there , and this is our plan so far.