in this way, we have reached the end of this news series . thank you very much for your attention and while saying goodbye , i invite you to be a special viewer of the higher election program. the importance of elections in electing a strong parliament is the key, it is in the hands of the people, iranian coach sharaf iran is playing with the whole country, why is he playing with the whole country , why is he in this month, the price of the explanation of your question is an interesting question .

dear viewers, one of the key words emphasized by the leaders in their recent meetings is the creation of real competition. was. in the explanation, it means that all the different views of all the currents of thought, different intellectual spectrums should be expressed and a real competition should be formed in the elections. one of the issues on which different views differ is governance in cyber space. what does it mean? the regulation of virtual space, which we want to talk about today about the message of the media . before entering. we are at your service

. i invite you to go and see the report that my colleagues are preparing together. we will come back and start our conversation in the field that i told you. the name of a native messenger in france has become the main subject of the country's media for several days. the french prime minister has ordered his cabinet ministers to remove messaging services such as whatsapp and signal due to security concerns and replace them with french messengers like ovid. as written by the french lepoin magazine, the ministers and employees of the french government were obliged to remove foreign messengers and use local messengers until december 8, 17 azar. does meta see us on whatsapp? he obviously knows you are there. maybe the content of the message. do not control but they know

for example, you talked to your personal doctor, and this is a verb on a high scale of users. messaging which claims to be the first and only messaging that does not rely on any central server or third party. on the other hand , french minister of digital and telecommunications jean-noel barro has come behind these messengers and described this messaging platform as the most secure messenger in the world on his personal page. the real question is: who are you texting? how sure are you that your information is not misused ? french media say: although this messenger is small, but its users in just a few days are increasing in france. the french government has already tried to limit the use of foreign apps, for example the bill banning the use of tik tok and instagram by under-15s. bita saedi, sada news agency.

and we saw the report of my colleague mrs. bita saedi together, in the special program above, we are at your service. here in our studio, mr. habibi, an expert in cyber space , is also present, mr. keshuvari, another expert in cyber space, with whom we will discuss. let me start with mr. habibi and this question, basically with this do you agree or not with the method of blocking virtual space and messengers , in the name of allah, the merciful , the merciful? in any case, who would agree to cut off service to the people? this is clear, but in any case , because of the considerations and events that have happened in recent years, people have tasted this with their flesh and skin. we are facing a conclusion that it may be necessary to use filtering tools at some point. therefore, if we want to be brief and clear, i will give you a position on the sum of the current policies. face. i know relatively well and i am with them

, that is, the way that messengers are blocked now , and you agree that there is a difference between the current situation and the existing policies, see that the current situation is not liked by anyone. it doesn't mean that we have a series of messengers or good social networks that are not available, and on the other hand, for example, if the service that is available to the people is a weak service, then we filter it, which means that we close the way to respond to the need. on the other hand, let's say that we cannot be responsible for the need inside, sir, but i would like to tell you that anyway, in the current situation, if we formulate the problem carefully, it will be clear that now. people, experts and officials, the interests of the people should be what is the problem. let me tell you about the problem . see what happened, so

you don't agree with this way of blocking messages from the media and social networks . see, i partially agree. as for my explanation , i can defend myself as a supporter, but not everything . you can't argue from zero to one hundred. see what happened. we are living in an age where all the needs of the people come from economic issues. political topics from cultural topics are coming to the virtual space. where is the platform for this ? social networks are the places where people gather. the importance of social networks compared to other virtual space services is that the place where people gather in virtual cities is the basis for the formation of virtual civilizations in virtual cities. well, now. when all these needs come to this space, these one or two people who own the platform and own the platform will serve you. you are building there whether it will continue or not

a completely authoritative and all-encompassing control over the members on how to spread the message, the rate of spread and the spread of a message can be seen. this is all the hands of the policy makers and developers of that platform. when these two things are combined together , it brings us to the point where a concept of virtual space governance is born here, that is, you want to build an economy there, who will regulate it , who will own that platform, who will serve you, who will own it. platform, who can stop your activity or close your economy , the owner of that platform, so if all existence and our life is going on this in different areas. and this space is also dominated by the president of the platform and serving in it. naturally, here it means that he is ruling, he is ruling, and i say that it belongs to the people, the culture of the people, politics, and i don't know the people's election, even that means that an issue like, for example, we

saw facebook coming to congress. the answer is , sir, for example, you had an effect on one side in the elections, this is a common thing that they understand and talk about in the whole world, that a plan is a silence. the elections, for example, the year that mr. obama voted, these are our serious issues, how are you all? these interpretations are how we should deal with this situation . now, what should we do? see if the problem becomes clear to the people, what can we do? we either have to sit and let all our needs depend on external platforms and be happy that we have a very good service. for example , we take oil and at any moment there is a possibility that they will kill us in their own mountains. at one time , i have a server from the beginning of the service, i will filter you, that is, you should be active at all, similar to what they did with haj qassem soleimani, where all iranians have a population of 50 million instagram users at that time.

instagram was active. in fact, sardar's martyrdom happened. these 50 million don't have the right to talk about their national hero, the right to even use this person's hashtag. this is another filter. if it 's not a filter, then what is it? this is what i am saying: filtering from the source of the service is contrary to what our government is doing, which is to take the filtering to the end, that is, the user who is using it will get the service from it, and my reason is that we are weak, we are not the owners of stability , this is forcing our people. our nation is suffering from the lack of development for 10 years, when the supreme council of cyber ​​space ordered hazrat agha its formation has been going on for almost 10-12 years, and in these 10-12 years, when

this method of blocking that we are witnessing today on social networks, messengers can lead us to the goals that mr. habibi mentioned. in the name of allah, the most merciful , the most merciful, i would like to say hello to you and dear viewers. to answer this question, we must first take a look at the conditions of virtual space and virtual space services and their characteristics. the important point here is that after the emergence of the internet and the web, blogs and news sites, and later social networks and media messages and these, we are just a change in the technical layer. we didn't see a network, it doesn't mean that it's just a tool added to the work along with other tools. rather, basically, a transformation in the type of media and its relationship with

the user and, consequently, its relationship with the policy maker and the government, has happened when we do not understand and understand this tool, and we do not understand or do not want to face the changes that the requirements it needs to face. let's go along with the situation we have now. well, it's natural that this existing situation is not desirable. i don't think it is desirable for any so-called opinionated person. now, usually, from two aspects, some people say that it is not desirable for us because it is stuck and it is loose, it should be dealt with more firmly with foreign social networks. some people say that basically this is the wrong way of dealing, but in my opinion, the second opinion is correct . what does it mean? you see, every tool that i just mentioned is a change in the technical layer and it is not a service

. behind that service and the type is also different. we once had the same radio and television, radio and television network, and it was quite clear what they were saying. it was a center. he produced a content and with the discretion of the owner of the content, this content was broadcast. all the media in the world have more or less responsibilities now in our country. some of them had different conditions and practically only radio and television. the media of sound, sound and image was legal, it was much simpler, that is, it was in one place, there were many regulators, it had no meaning, that is, the regulator was inside itself, practically, but after we were not ready in other countries, well, there are many television channels, there are different interests of having political groups. different and of course need a regulator who would check that if someone insults or says something inappropriate, it is anonymous content. according to the duties, well, this was clear, but the social networks that came and

our messengers are basically a so-called paradigm shift. we had, that is, here we were no longer faced with professional networks producing content, but individuals and citizens themselves became content producers and the volume of content production increased greatly, the number of centers that are producing, that is, the nodes that are producing content, increased. and that regula.

we don't have it, and the policy is that now we have to have blocking in this way. do you agree with this or what should be the optimal filtering first? filter the content that is approved by the community first okay, the obvious example is gambling scams, pornographic sites and the like, which means something that is ugly to use, that is, if you are the one who broke this, exactly like you in the real world when you robbed someone for drugs and for many of these crimes. they take and punish according to the law, no one says why you got this because of theft . if we have challenges in a few cases

, you must check whether the social legitimacy of that particular case has been challenged or not . you may say that it is a good thing, for example, in a drug society for any reason it should be universal. well, you have a challenge, but as long as you filter something that 60-70 people are using at once, then it is clear that this filtering will get spoiled, it is the tool you have. improper use of this tool, ok, let's go to a report, if we agree, let's meet again , let's continue the conversation, successive fines of meta company due to this.

it was adopted with the aim of protecting the information of people living in europe. in the latest case, the norwegian information regulatory authority has fined meta for collecting user information and using it for targeted advertising since august 23. he has fined 94,313 dollars. meta has previously been fined for violating data protection laws in norway, australia, turkey and south korea. in the most important case, the european union fined meta 1 billion and 300 million dollars and ordered the company to stop transferring personal information of european users to the united states by november. this is

the heaviest fine for technology companies since the implementation of general data protection regulations. in the past 5 years, it has been a good year for sed and sima news agency. well, we have seen and heard the report together , mr. habibi. in your opinion, filtering is desirable. mr. keshwauri, what is the point of referring to him? basically, see, first , let me tell you a few points related to his words. see how we look at this space. first of all, we have this space . we see it in the media. . virtual space is not media, there is also media, there is also economy , that is, if we want to put something in it, we have to say that it was real space, something has been developed, virtual space has also been added, virtual space is an extension of newspapers and blogs, and this is not it, see if this is not well understood and if he doesn't understand, the fight will decrease and so on media political fights are pointless, sir, for example, you

wanted the newspapers then, but now, if it comes, we will give the management of the virtual space, for example, to you. kenny is not good, so, for example, we are against the management of this space being handed over to you , i say, the problem is not that small at all , the issue of national sovereignty, when i say that there is an economic discussion , it is a cultural discussion, i don't know, it is a social discussion, and people's lives have become dependent on this space, it is not like the old days. whether i read a newspaper or not, my life will be updated in the morning, because space is a space where people live their lives, so first of all, if this paradigm shift let's understand the importance of the issue and the type of entry of that issue is different. in a way, you are confirming mr. keshwauri's words that we used to live in a real atmosphere, in a way, for example , we used to get our media from the newspaper and go shopping, now we have made a change , we order our shopping online, the tv we were watching or the newspaper that we were watching. in our phone, well, not now, but what is the prescription that can go wrong, see what that prescription is, first of all, let's accept one thing, our government

did not seek to choose the people . several telegrams i don't know the origin of the riots because of the bribery that happened on this messenger and social networks, and the government did not react, even trying to raise the golden telegram and support the policy of the golden telegram, which was a platform that, while the actions in in fact, the regulation of the country guaranteed the regulation, at the same time , it did not destroy people's access to the service, but what did it do ? how old are you? i tried to offer the golden telegram, which means that it did not come to close the service completely, sir , is to allow people to access the service, but the security concerns that exist , sir, the whole organization of isis terrorists and i don't

know, israelis and hypocrites , etc. so, the government did not seek to make the people a child, even for one round or two rounds or how many rounds , i don't know exactly, but the officials of our country have negotiated with telegram that, sir , accept the rules of our country, accept the rules of our country, then act. like the other messengers who accept it, they can enter and hear the same you are a country, sir, you believe that in any case , the beloved social network that is operating in our country is popular with the people, in any case , someone should take responsibility for it . i will come back.

electronics, many things that we use on a daily basis are not my problem . just like the real space, it has different dimensions, but when i say the topic of this program, i think that social networks and messengers are almost the only area where we have a serious challenge, that is, we in the rest of the fields, people are using messengers from iranian examples. there is a special point and a serious challenge that we want to talk about now . we don't have a method, so this point about social networks and messengers is that we say the media has exactly all those dimensions, except for television. the title of a traditional media has economy in it, news in it, entertainment in it, it has everything, of course

, we have a paradigm shift in virtual social media, but all these dimensions are the same as in the press in a much less way, later on in a much more way in the television. in the same proportion , it exists in the space of pian rasan and social networks so, the first point, why we couldn't create this space , you are doing it exactly, it goes back to the responsibility of part of this, the inherent characteristics of this paradigm shift and the space you mentioned . as you have seen in the case of france, whose officials, the prime minister or the president has apparently ordered that officials and government officials use french messengers . we take a few points. first of all, until now in france, they have been responsible for they use external messaging. while they say it is not safe. so if

it is not safe then what have you been doing until now? the first point. second point, don't you say that they should have an office and accept the rules? well, european law has all these rules. so why do they say these things? so those rules were not enough or you could not implement them or what? the second point. the third point is that they are simply assigning duties to government officials, that is, i am not saying. if according to their own claims , they have problems, the messages of foreign media are not safe, or they exercise authority over the area in which they have the power, that is, in the area of ​​messages. public media, what is the law that they are making that we are now explaining, like gdr and this , what are the conditions that have been applied, and clearly in this example where they have the power exactly like tik tok in america or want to apply it to the devices that the device it is logical that the government has no right to use it. you don't have the right to government documents. in the government , you don't have the right to e-government services. go to a foreign platform and provide them. any country should allow this. people understand that you

shouldn't send government documents. it was the same in france, and the next point is that this is having an office and things like this, we have to clarify exactly what we mean by responsibility, that is, what do we want right now. or the networks that we have inside and obviously the business examples that we have inside the country is a wide platform of all kinds of violations and frauds . i wish you could get the police reports and tell me how many percent of your cases are related to a certain application for the sale of second-rate goods. the side of the bank card is iranian, the application is iranian , the origin and destination are iranian, but it is a fraud, why are our bank cards not even you on the platform of foreign media when you talk about fraud. may it means that there must be a bank account because without a bank account it is not possible to commit fraud . there must be a phone number because they call with

the phone number that they usually put in the ads . and the banks and shaperk and shatab network are still doing this in their platform. how do you expect a foreign media message to be in my office at all? the internal you have right now is a fraud platform right now in cham tekak in the data area. lamb is abused in foreign media well, when you are in this country , the information of our applications and our platforms is widely hacked and not in the hands of one enemy , it can be in the hands of everyone, potentially and sometimes actually , so the problem is not that we have an office here. many people in my country who have offices , erase what we think of them as listening to orders and whatever we say. or delete it, nothing like this happens at all, the reports they publish show the same thing, mr. habibi , look, by the way, my emphasis was on the messenger and social networks.

agree office tip. opponents , i will explain now. you need to see this introduction . by the way, our emphasis was on the message of social media and social networks . look , when people sell their snacks on telegram , they do it on instagram, a percentage of the country's economy goes on this platform, which means that it has an economic impact on this platform , and it has an economic impact on the country. when it comes in may 2017, if i'm not mistaken 98 mr. seif, the head of the central bank, says, "sir , the economic policy of the country is out of my hands. why did this happen, because there is a channel in telegram that does this before . newspapers couldn't do this. this is the shift of the workers they say, but the channel telegram can do this and can play with the price of the offer, that is, the highest official of the central bank

of our country says, sir, this telegram channel is playing with the country's width, so this economic effect is the same social media message. let me give another example, the issue of digital width. which telegram had to offer america's gram is giving orders that you should collect this service, why is it doing this because it knows that it has its own domination over the world economy , which is happening through the dollar, and this is getting out of its hands, so this is the same social messengers , the same social network. he is doing these things , but now they are saying that if, for example , domestic platforms are also frauds, it is clear that frauds can occur in real platforms, virtual ones, foreign ones, domestic ones, the issue of dealing with these violations is that you go and find out what they have on telegram. networks of the same raise i don't know if you can detect what they are doing like this, but if it is yes, if it is on ita, it is something like this, they can detect a fraud where a man comes and destroys the reputation of another person in the cyber space, i don't know the side.

it destroys life and family and everything . you can follow up and intercept to see who did this on instagram , telegram, but also in domestic virtual space and domestic social networks . people feel that living on instagram is something that you do you have the title of the content in, for example, the explorer section of instagram. you can see that this creates culture. what policy do you have to show the content to people? why do you say, for example? the same message is given to 2 users, two accounts, and the same user, one with, for example , i don't know, 2 million users, that one also has 2 million users who follow this man's words, which is about food, and i don't know about lebanon, and i don't know about islam, the revolution, and these things. yes, this will not be published, this will not be seen on instagram explorer as much as the person who is talking and acting against these things will be seen , that is, i mean, we will not see zero and one anymore, this is too much. obviously, we will go back to your previous statement that

you say filter from. creation is taking place, filtering from the source is taking place, orientation is taking place, even i want to say that you see, it is a completely social issue, they say that the period of socialization of teenagers means that a teenager wants to leave home and enter the community , he knows his society, in what context he knows it. at the end of instagram, at the end of instagram , who are they clapping for, who is higher , is it, for example, a level scientist, for example, i don't know , he is very high there, so here is the question, sir. bring up a country whose question is answered by you we didn't get first , what is the optimal filtering in your opinion and how long should it continue? in my opinion, this is the ideal filtering, the filtering that does not block the way to respond to the needs of the people, does not block the real needs of the people, provides them, and at the same time blocks the way of fraudsters, the way of those who want to dominate our country and our sovereignty . this filtering is desirable, in my opinion, it means wherever a person who is coming wants to focus on

the economy. people dominate the people's culture without having any answer , what do you, sir, answer instagram to the people? we have it, but yes, until a problem is found, the media will attack it, the government will attack it, i don't know , the mps will speak against it, for example, because it is during the election, for example, for example, we are pro -people and so-and-so, they will talk against it , that is, something that is in access is not something that cannot be taken care of, so you are actually against the current filtering because he said because