if we subtract from the consumer price, i.e. 20 minus 4 , then our debt will be 16 million tomans, so installments and fees should be calculated on the basis of this amount . also, be aware that the fees for installments should be from zero to 1%. i will not be a volunteer in the upcoming elections because i do not consider myself a worthy representative for the people , we expect from someone who was a representative

. rahman al-rahim, greetings and respect to dear and interested listeners and viewers full majlis program tonight we are serving mr. mustafa kovakbian, who is a very former political activist.

they are the eighth and tenth periods of the islamic council. the eighth term came from semnan and the tenth term represented tehran. born in 1341, he holds a doctorate in political science and is currently a member of the faculty of allameh taba taba'i university, where he also teaches. they have been publishing people's daily newspaper for years and run the democratic party, and in short, they are active. the political activists are well-known and experienced, so we should start the discussion with them from here, in the parliament building and in the so-called how effective is this institution known as the majlis, and do you think its effectiveness has decreased or increased during these years after the revolution

? i have and would like to thank the dear ones who invited me and we are very happy to be in the service of mr. ofgami, who themselves have a history of not staying, and now we are in their service in this regard. the fact is that i am a bit transparent. i speak, and maybe because of this thing, the well-known characteristic of the parliament that should be at the head of affairs has become very different ok, yes, with the parliament, which is now in its 11th term, finally, in the philosophy of forming the parliament, three basic special tasks are defined, one is that the parliament is for legislation, secondly

, the parliament is for supervising affairs and executive bodies like these, and thirdly, the representative parliament. it means that this is a more important duty in my opinion , because in the principles of our constitution, we have that every representative is responsible to the whole nation and has the duty to represent the whole people, and if he sees any problems or defects anywhere, he should shout and discuss. do therefore, in these three tasks and three special tasks of our parliament, every time we have come forward, unfortunately, we are weak we became more and this current parliament is almost the same.

his condition is weak, he has various weaknesses, and if it becomes necessary now, i can tell you some points about it. this parliament, if necessary, regarding the whole system of designing the system to be a parliamentary system or at all based on the presidency, what is your opinion when the constitution was amended in the beginning of the 70's and the end of the 60's so that the prime minister was removed and the president should be preserved, but recently, many have come to the conclusion or believe that it is good to have a parliamentary republic system, that is, through the choice made by the representatives themselves or the preference vote given by the president may be elected for a short or long term, which means that his term may

not be fixed at all, like the british system that has a prime minister, which means that wherever the vote of confidence is withdrawn, the prime minister if he is changed or if he is really the president and he is elected for a fixed term but by the members of the parliament, in your opinion , it is better to proceed with the amendment of the constitutional system in order to maintain the presidential system or to design it based on a parliamentary republic. look, mr. afghaniz , i would like to raise 3 points here. one is that we are unfortunately a system. our elections are not partisan, this is our main problem , what does it mean, for example, eventually a list comes out , there may be several parties in that list, but it is not a specific party

, they say, for example, the flow of such and such front, such and such faction , is correct, and well, this is not a conventional thing in be a scholar. everywhere in the world, the discussion of the party is discussed, not a political trend including several parties, and this is another point that we should pay attention to. the fact is that, as you mentioned , we made some changes in 2016, but really, our task is in this situation. well, we are finally a pure parliament we are either purely presidential or semi-parliamentary and semi-presidential. the task is not clear. we really have to say this honestly because before 1968

it was said that we were semi-parliamentary and semi-presidential , which means that the parliament finally had the power and was in discussion. we had the executive branch of the prime minister and we came and said that we want to make it more like a presidential system, but the reality is that this did not happen, the fact is that it did not happen, that is, assume that the president is, after all, the head of the executive branch. and it is said in the constitution that after the position of leadership, it is the highest there is an authority, but in practice, if the parliament wants to, it can raise a debate on the no-confidence vote

, and finally the president himself will be raised and things like this, so this is a state of confusion. needless to say, the third point is that we , as a democratic party for seven or eight years now , are pursuing the realization of the third republic. the concept of the third republic is that we believe that from the beginning of the victory of our revolution, it can be said that we had a republic until 1968. that the constitution was changed. from 1968 to now, which is a thousand and 402, about 34 years ago, a lot more than 34 years ago. let's let the second republic come from now on, let's have a revision of the constitution to get to

the third republic and solve these problems that i'm talking about, because once the leadership in kermunshah openly stated that we can have a parliamentary system . well, the concept of a parliamentary system in the world has experienced this way that the leader of the party with the majority of votes. let's say that if we want to have a so-called

system in these three states, semi-parliamentary, semi -presidential, presidential, or separate parliament , taking into account an element called the legal authority, how do we really relate these things to each other and the affairs what do you think about the date of the parliamentary elections? it seems that this date started by chance, that is, from the beginning, when the parliament happens to be between two dates of the presidency , it always causes 2 years of the parliament on this side of the presidency and 2 years of the presidency on the other side , this is a state of indecision. it doesn't create, that is, in my opinion, it helps the chaos more if it was supposed to be, for example, the parliament. 6 months away, 9 months away, or even a year away , with the presidential election

, it was more likely to help form something like a party, i.e. for example, if you wanted to become the president , you would first try to form a group or faction in the parliament , which if you found out a year before the presidential election that you had formed your own faction or, for example, your supporters would leave. in the parliament, you decided to become the president, but if you were not successful, for example , you could not find a base in the parliament, then it was possible that you would give up the presidency. isn't this itself a ground for the formation of parties? yes, you see , there is not much belief that we should have a party and that parties should play a role, mr. afghani the system that they have now... the language of affairs in their hands, are you paying attention, apart from that, some things are technical. now

, yes, my point is that we have to accept this , of course, to do something like now, for example, the elections of experts are being done with the parliament, and the elections of the councils and the presidency is being done, it has finally been fixed, and that's why it can be said that it is possible to do something that is an election and the main indicator of the election is the competition and the main indicator of the competition. he is also a party, and if this is not the case, then the meaning of the party is that

we are not looking for competition. the meaning is that we are not looking for competition. it is that now it is called democracy, but we really have to try to make this happen. you know it yourself in the country. elections are always held in the world and one party wins the majority, but it forms a coalition to form a government, that is , it forms a coalition government with other parties . we are the opposite here. after that, the election was held. i am in conflict with each other and the strangest thing is that until now none of these

officials who finally became the president and the parties everyone should help me. when i become the president , i will no longer say that we are a party. i am not affiliated with any party or organizational group. something has been created. this word is very proud of the work. you said let's come, since the beginning of the revolution

, we haven't had an election in almost any year. take shape no worries at all and this is not debatable, and i told the minister of the interior that mr. minister of the interior, you yourself came back and said that we have not reached a third of the people , we said non- verification. this is right and wrong. he said, "no, we did not get the seal of approval. if something happens later , maybe they will find the authority . at least we helped. we did not deny it . we did not reject it. well, really, what is the situation in the world? it is not like this at all. i believe that there are five interrogation centers of the police force

i don't know if there is a civil registry to say that it is yours. it is the ministry of information, now the irgc's information protection has recently been brought to the prosecutor's office, all those five centers, everyone had a case, so it should be rejected, there is a problem , but god damn it, if these 5 centers were white , they would have nothing, so prepare it, go, what is the point of us saying so much? 8,000 people, i don't know what it means not to eat, for example, right now, fundamentalist friends. well, so to speak, since two months ago, my teachers have been playing their programs, advertisements and organizations, and i don't know what they are saying, but until the night of the election, the reformists are trembling because they are still not there, they should not be. now i say that in the 8th parliament itself, i

was rejected three times, i was approved, i was rejected, i was finally approved, but with some trepidation and something. well, you yourself were a member of the parliament, we were a member of the parliament, for example , they introduce a car first, they give a loan, they say, sir , in 4 years, you will have less money, then you will own a car , and now these dear members of the 11th parliament, in addition to taking the first one this time, this debate was brought up in a hurry and these things were brought up, so the side says, sir , this is about 700 million tomans giving out 3 billion people , finally they understand these things. at what age did you become interested in my politics? the truth is, mr. ofgami

, i was 17 years old. an incident caused it to be reported at school that my grade was low. my friends and i decided to come to shabane. let's take your grades. then we went to midnight. you were in your last year of high school . yes, you were in middle school. you were in middle school. then you were 17 years old, no less. since the night of your service, when we went to dig here, the weather was cold it was winter, whatever it was, we lit a fire to get warm, one of us raised the tricolor flag of the shahshahi in middle school, then it became clear who they were , and this was our friend, for example, they came proudly and said

we did this last night, and then they said sardamdar. for example, this was guakba, and in short , they wanted us, and then we were 13 and 13 years old , yes, they took some citizens, and from there we said that the king's country has a flag, so -and-so, we were drawn into politics. taking abui , wanting to do something, what did dad do, nothing else god, he is the worker of the so-called factory. from there, we were drawn and therefore, when you were 17 years old, it was 1953. yes, i set fire to my jump. yes, that was a very difficult and dangerous year.

i was the one in charge. it is interesting to tell you that after all, the main elements are martyrdom or finally being a veteran . now there is only one left to come and speak to you now. this is that we later came to the islamic republic party, where shahid beheshti was the general secretary . i attended 5 sessions of shahid beheshti's positions. we used to study closely here, and then you saw dr. beheshti. yes, yes, we had the honor of

being in the islamic republic party, and we came from semnan . we had regular meetings in tehran on thursdays, but there were several meetings in three positions, later. the solidarity party was formed , we went there for a while, and then we ourselves from the same year. first , we created the second message of khordad defenders party, then we said, sir, the most important message of khordad is also this democracy . we changed our name and became a newspaper and became khrodsala. what did you do during the 60s? i mean, for example, cartoons were mostly political work or journalism, not the 60s, and we happened to come to imam sadiq university in 1961, where i became a student so that it could be presented.

i was busy and then we went to tarbiat modares university there, i got my phd there, and then why didn't you become a member of the parliament earlier , why did you come to the parliament late ? it would have been possible for me to be a member of the fifth parliament. we were disqualified in the seventh parliament.

now that we have been approved, a vote has already been taken. now , what was the difference between the 8th and 10th parliaments, this short gap? i mean, in terms of the aspect that you say, that the efficiency became less, and i don't know, the effect of threats, intimidation, intimidation, etc., increased. please explain what you see in the 8th parliament, we were in the absolute minority, that is, there were about 45 people who , for example, are now reformists or leftist forces or the whole line, whatever you call it, we had art in the 8th parliament if we wanted something. if it was not approved , we could have prevented something that was approved by a sufficient number of them, not by any means in a way, not 40 and you have eaten, so that

we don't leave something, because it is little or much, but in the 10th parliament, we wanted to do something to fix something , and this is what we had a problem. the reformist omid faction and these, but against mr. larijani, 70, 80 people came to run in this center under the title of independents , they created a disaster of having the same name, and there were also a hundred or so self-righteous people who were fundamentalists, which is decisive because we don't have a party. in this country, this is the first point. the determining factor is not the centrality of independent independents if they were angry on our side, they would turn around, well, we

had and could do something for the majority. we will approve it, but if they were going around on the side of the fundamentalists , then we would be in the minority , we couldn't. even mr. aref once said that i want to come. the same 150 to 5 didn't get more votes , no matter how much we begged him to come , he didn't come again. we also wanted to say no, it's not expedient anymore, and it didn't work for you, and i don't have any poison or national interests at all, which was from mr. mojtaba zunor to mahmoud sadeghi. that is, different types of different thoughts, therefore, in the 10th parliament, in terms of, for example, our number increased, it was much better, but we were thirty in issues.

these foreign things, mr. larijani, we were good children , he was with us and we could, for example, vote, but we could have a public hemp assumption in internal issues, we could not vote , we wanted to have, for example, an investigation and investigation of the tehran municipality, it was a kind of thing. with three or four votes , we wouldn't get a vote, or suppose sizai, even for example, the interior minister, at that time, we would have been more, but we couldn't go to the end of the year, so the 10th parliament was good because there were more of us, but because we all wanted to seek a resolution, we couldn't. this situation existed

. the democratic party had 15 members, our party faction, and later some of them joined the central council of our party, but we never mentioned its name because we wanted it to move in line with that main faction. you gave the first vote in tehran, just from me who voted the sixth the seventh i was on the list of the 10th parliament , you got less votes. some of the people from this democratic newspaper came and said that dr. john likes you. we are not going to vote . wow, you people also work here. i mean, it was like this. of course, we hope that the 12th parliament will be formed now. with more participation, but some statistics show that it may not make much difference, we hope, we hope, but it depends on what you say. it does

n't matter what the public front is, if it is a front where people participate above 50-60%, then we can definitely have something to say, but if in the limit of 40 in the 11th parliament is about 42. for example, 48, 68, 50 people participated . in short, almost 60% did not come. they did not participate at all. now let's see what the 12th parliament is doing. in the end, it didn't work out, that is, you really wanted it to work out , but it didn't work out.

at least one-sixth of the elections, for example, make the electoral lists , ladies, you officially brought this, for example this is how it is, but it was not approved, for example, or the same plan for public housing, so that now those who go abroad will come back and finally find a public housing and be able to do something , that is, we did not succeed in most of the domestic projects that we wanted, but for example , international projects such as the governments themselves and the speaker of the parliament was in harmony with us, a little more in some places, really , we are a lot, for example, it is known that the most of my collusion with mr. ali larijani was in the parliament, sometimes from the side.