because fraud is not possible without a bank account , there must be a phone number, because they call with the phone number that they usually put in the ads . well, if you can't find the phone numbers , that is, the mobile and payv numbers, the banks, and the shoprak network. shatab is still happening in his bed, how do you expect a foreign media message to have my office at all ? the internal one you have right now is more of a fraud, right now in field b, in this field, my point is, in the field of data, in the field of data, we say, look for our information in the messenger. foreigners are abused. well, when in this country , the information of our applications and our platform is widely copied and not in the hands of one enemy , it can be in the hands of everyone, potentially and sometimes actually, so it is not a problem that we have an office here , but many the countries that have offices , what we imagine that they will listen to the command and delete or delete whatever we say , nothing like that happens at all. the reports

they publish show the same thing, mr. habibi, look , by the way, now my emphasis was on the messenger and social networks, and he made this point. i am going to give an explanation to the supporters of the opponents. you should see this introduction. by the way, we emphasized the message of social media and social networks. see when middlemen do their retail sales on telegram. comes to instagram, a percentage of the country's economy goes to this platform, this means that it has an economic impact on this platform , it will have an economic impact in the country when it comes in may 2017, if i'm not mistaken. 98 mr. seif, the head of the central bank, says, "sir , the economic policy of the country is out of my hands . why did this happen, because there is a channel in telegram that does this before . newspapers could not do this. this is the shift." they say, but the telegram channel

can do this and can play with the price of money, that is, the highest official of the central bank of our country says, sir, this telegram channel is playing with the country, so this economic effect is the same social media message, another example. let me tell you about the issue of digital width that telegram had to offer he was giving orders to america that we should collect this service, why is he doing this because he knows that he has his own domination over the world economy , which with

the fraud that one man comes to destroy the reputation of another in the cyberspace, i don't know the side of life. and it destroys the family and everything. you can follow up and intercept to see who did this on instagram, telegram, but also in domestic virtual space and domestic social networks . people feel like living on instagram what you see as content for example, you have an instagram explorer section. you can see that this creates a culture. what policy do you have to show content to people? why, for example, when i say something, the user has two accounts , the same user has one with, for example, i don't know, 2 million users. there are 2 million users who follow this man's words about food and i don't know about lebanon and i don't know about islam and the revolution and these things . this will not be published

. it can be seen, which means that we won't see zeros and ones anymore, this is very clear let's go back to your previous statement where you say that the filter of the creator is happening, the filter of the creator is happening, orientation is happening, even i want to say that you see, it is a completely social issue, they say that the period of socialization of teenagers means that teenagers want to leave home and enter society. yes, he knows his community, on what platform does he know on instagram platform, who are they clapping for on instagram platform? who are they calling for? who is higher? is it, for example, a scientist of the same level ? we didn't ask you what is the ideal filtering in your opinion and how long should it continue , i mean, the ideal filtering is the filtering that does not meet the needs of the people , does not meet the real needs of the people, and at the same time provides the way for fraudsters. the way

of those who want to dominate our country, our sovereignty , this filtering is desirable, in my opinion, it means wherever someone who is coming wants to dominate the economy of the people, the culture of the people , without any accountability. ok, i mean, what kind of response does instagram have to our people, but yes until a problem is found, the media will attack it, the government will attack it, i don't know, the mps will speak against it, for example, because it is during the election period, for example, the atmosphere, for example, we are pro-people and so-and - so. it's not that it can't be dealt with, so you are actually against the current filtering, because he said, because on the one hand, you are saying that it should not block the people's needs, and the representatives are against it in order to attract the people's opinion, so it means that the people are against this in the filter, not two arguments. the current filtering is the fruit of 10 years of inaction and has brought us to a state of emergency it has created a situation that we have gone through many wars, it has messed up the country's economy, i don't know , it has created a thousand cultural problems for the country

, now they say, sir, what should you do, now this patient has been treated, this patient started seriously in 2008, before that it was too, but now obviously the social network

doesn't play youtube, why have telegram channels been active in the last 9 months, the shaqnam filter has increased, all the channels are working, why is the price of land not playing telegram channels in the last 9 months, because the background is in real space, exactly because it is not effective on the width, it is not a problem for the land in the real space whatever the reason, now the economic experts must say that we have fixed the width of the telegram channel, the width rate

of the telegram channel is from 60 tomans . it is not like this. telegram does not set the price for the market. you are denying my work, i am not denying it, i am saying that if there was no telegram , it would be impossible for 70 million iranians to be members of messengers, for example yes or ita , on a channel that announced the price of land on a domestic platform. and you remember the bank policy of 2011. it would have changed if telegram was around then at the same time, you would have probably gone to the gold dealers or money changers themselves, if they had an internal network , they would have changed in a moment

, went with those who have te baza there. yes, if this is what you mean, it is correct, but if it is not, when someone says that after a significant period of extensive filtering and the destruction of the infrastructure of digital economy development in the country, filtering has not been effective in solving the problems they are looking for, and the damage is numerous and obvious. in society, it is not necessarily open to social networks and it is highly probable that the reason for neglecting a series of obvious problems is shihab javanmardi, vice chairman

of the economy, innovation and digital transformation commission of the tehran chamber, according to unofficial statistics, people spend at least 50 thousand billion tomans to buy vpn , which is equivalent to one billion dollars. and if people don't need vpn and this amount is paid to the operators, they can spend a part of this amount to develop the infrastructure , which means we take the money out of people's pockets. this cost is imposed on them, but it leads to more accessibility and better internet it can't be done and everyone feels guilty and this is a big strategic risk in my opinion. estesen etzari , the former secretary of the supreme council of cyber ​​space, the issue of filters exists in all countries , it is not unique to iran, and each country implements this system with a different scope of work. . in iran , all officials agree with filtering. maybe there is a dispute about the filtering authority. however , these differences will also be resolved with the drafting of the virtual space policy framework. abolhassan

firouzabadi, former secretary of the supreme council of cyberspace. as a policy maker in the field of virtual space i don't believe in filters, but i believe that i should start something like instagram and password. the government must be responsible. if today the nation does not have an internal password and uses an external password, do not be indifferent about it. abdul hossein khosrpanah, secretary of the supreme council of cultural revolution, in the world and in all countries such as america, england, germany, france, japan, south korea and china , they use filtering, and we do not know of any country in the world that does not use filtering. the world has accepted filtering with certain conditions, but domestic capacities must be strengthened. for this examples of internal applications should be strengthened day by day and people can use them in business and social, cultural, economic activities and even religious delegations. well, we have seen the reports, we reviewed the opinion of the supporters and opponents of mr. kashori, now the question is clear and clear

, we have overcome many political and social security challenges, according to mr. habibi, in the last 10 years, for example, the last 15 years, according to the officials of the time. at any time, some of these social networks, however, in any way that it is mentioned, create the ground according to its officials. time is within me. investigation and in order to deal with such incidents that we are witnessing, in any case, it is necessary to finally put a stop to this issue , what do you think , what should be done to the real environment when messengers are inflaming, see that you are the first to say that the messengers are united but it should be clear, because what i mean by the messengers

is not my point. you could have blamed the media in the past decades for what they are doing. to a subject that , like throwing a tyrant in the shah's time , there are examples of the shah saying that this is clear. do you think that the press and the atmosphere they create are the cause of this situation, or the people, the point is that you have a real root in every social issue , that issue may be wrong by a group of people, that is a separate issue, but it has a real root, you are in all the unrest, now the economy. or any other matter that the relevant experts should check the message. or does it create an environment for these opinions

to be spread in the society, surely both in the situation of inflammation , people will refer to the media messages more and it will intensify . if you look at burning cars , burning garbage cans, i just posted an example . there are many accounts that broadcast all these images . now there are two groups of user accounts. these are the same users who show cars burning and beating the french police. the police killed a person and killed a girl who caused gasoline to be poured on the fire of riots in france and the video and pictures of it were broadcasted, so this space exists in other countries too, for sure some of the cases may be illegal . what should happen in such a situation? the second point here is to assume that we have such a space, did filtering solve this now that we

have filtered 9 or 10 of the top 10 messengers and social networks in the world, if you refer to them, we have filtered almost all of them now that we have filtered them. and completely again, it means the same partial legitimacy that existed in the country. after all, people say that these are somehow available and had a non-filtering mode. now that officially going to an underground network means that now we want to negotiate or somehow find a solution. let's apply it and it will say, sir, that you have filtered me at all what are you trying to say, we don't have any tools , you are like a father who takes a child from home. outside, the way of negotiation has been closed , in fact, it has made the negotiation very difficult. now that this filter has been filtered, mr. zarpour has said something else. the problems were solved with filtering , exactly in the continuation of the optimal filtering discussion, now

we use all our technical power . thanks to this remember that it is not technically possible to block it, this is what we are seeing now, it is almost close to the ceiling of the technical possibilities that the gentlemen are doing. i have seen it and they are also applying filtering , not that they are not aligned, not if they are in any way, at least in the technical set of this matter with all possible power, because it is a balance , they must be applied from somewhere, you want to tighten the filtering to positive applications and finally the network. internal damage is the same as ours we say, we say, why do we say that filtering is not a solution , because filtering is not possible, except to the extent of what we see now, i have a clear and clear

question. tell me whether it was solved with the current filtering system or vice versa. as the famous saying goes, it went under the ashes, meaning it went to a place where officially you can no longer say that this network operates in my country, while everyone is using it, for example, now it has gone under . millions of people are using it unfortunately, mr. kishori, they think that , for example, if we want to solve this problem , we should talk about it . no one has made such a claim at all, they did the filtering that networks did in addition to the local development, that the networks that i mentioned at the time were in 1997 and this was the first time that filtering was applied on telegram, soroush messengers and other

domestic messengers like yes, like ita. they can't even send activation sms. today the development of messaging like ita can respond to 18 million daily users , it can respond to 25 million monthly active users , this development, in addition to filtering, caused users who were in telegram and i don't know instagram to migrate to this site . this is our question, mr. kashori, answer what caused these 3 million users to become 18 million to 25 million. see, in the discussion of negotiation, we say, sir, for example , let's go and negotiate, they should adhere to it , then you gave a statistic from ita, from the statistics of, for example , telegram and instagram, for example, you have statistics that

for example, i have not seen it anywhere because you said that tuning means, for example , not using telegram, instagram, and whatsapp, and not using it. i have not heard the official statistics until now, but the unofficial statistics of the work we hear in the bachelor space that we have is that it is almost and telegram today is equal to each other in terms of active users, now telegram may be a bit higher, but it no longer has that all-round dominance without opposition like this. instagram is also the same . this is another discussion. yes, rubik's also increased there has been an explosion, that is, ita

1, our problem is that the media message, first of all, the message of the internal media, definitely and definitely for related applications and electronic government, administrative documents like these should be regulated and anyone who violates this practice should be punished. let me clarify my argument, like what was left in france, exactly, that the government has the right, and i am right, that is to prevent government documents and the like. things or services of the electronic government, for example, registration, for example, fuel cards , for example, this must be in the interior , no one is discussing this at all, what is the economy of the people, so now i will explain about my economy because you mentioned it now.

this is to educate the users and tell them the consequences of anything and provide an internal platform, that is, you , for example, the likes of baslam and digikals and the like , are ready to have the ability to use instagram. let's say it's natural that an extreme monopoly and dominance will happen on instagram . parenthetically, the next point is, when he does this, he should also tell the consequences of each. that business should choose for me to go to, for example, baslam and digikala, and sell my goods. on instagram, which may

, for example, close my business, while there is also the claim that , for example, this percentage of the economy has gone , it is not like this at all, the percentage is very low . i have a question in the middle. we didn't get the answer to mr. habibi's question from you. anyway , if we had a social problem, if we had an economic problem , if we had a problem like this and we had foreign messengers, what should we do? i will complete this, so there must be internal messaging. it's good, no discussion at all it is not in the case that they say, so what happened to 18 million? i have asked the people in charge of the user statistics many times, and the user is only an active user . it is definitely misleading. of course, no one wants to question the success of this success. yes, for whom, let me complete the discussion, for whom was it effective? what was our purpose of filtering this

? an effective society that affects the social and political atmosphere like this, internal expression. is this the coming of people and my aunt and grandfather, for example, the filter breaker could not get it or for any reason it didn't matter, he got up and came to ita, these are important , these are people, yes. let's see the social, political and economic aspects, how many percentages have come now from ita, yes, etc. , they are using it as an alternative to foreigners, the active user shows this , sir, how much of

the alternative band usage, bandwidth consumption statistics of these were also published, especially the trend is a network at all. for example , instagram's bandwidth is comparable internally, which we already have, why can't they publish it internally

? i asked many times not to publish it. before the filtering of users, the best message of our media was 2%. now it has reached, for example , 50%. now, i forgot that it is well known that if don't get me wrong, it is the report of the industrial commission. what you are doing right now is the self-importation of iran 's production, the so-called usage and luck of its people will increase, there is no question about it

. if someone once in a month, i have dozens of them now , i am talking about, for example, filtering, it may be for a thousand different reasons , including the fact that my friends may not come inside , they force me to come only on, for example what do i know, whatsapp, answer me, i may have to break the filter once a month, for example, turn it on. but the statistics i am giving are daily active user statistics, which means that 18 million iranian users are visiting eta daily, so they should

pay attention to the difference. we definitely need to revise the computer crime law, which was passed in 2008, in the field of violations, crimes, and fraud, etc. we definitely need to update the qur'an in terms of authentication for the services that are provided in the virtual space and the work that is provided. if this happens , we have a general section of violations, both inside and outside. it's interesting that we will definitely cover it in another program above. thank you very much to both guests of the program. i thank all my viewers for accompanying us until this moment.

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