we should progress in agriculture so much that we become self-sufficient and not dependent on foreigners . see, this issue must be resolved. we can say self-sufficiency in agriculture, but we cannot say self-sufficiency in science. see why we can't say it because the word self-sufficiency has a problem . this is a problem. sir, we need to find independence in meeting our educational and research needs in the up to secondary sector, which is characteristic, it should be free , but anyway, the guardian council has interpreted and said that it does not prevent the establishment of private schools in the higher education sector, which they say we have reached now. to the border self-sufficiency is one of the bases of your argument that you don't open this much now. i don't know why . i believe that later we

have not reached self-sufficiency in knowledge and we will not, because self-sufficiency is a fluid issue that is changing every year, new issues are raised, for example, this year, intelligence. artificial will be mentioned next year, something else will be mentioned. nano technology was mentioned at one time, other technologies were mentioned at one time, these are different, so first of all, we have to be independent in providing the needs, secondly, we need to see self-sufficiency. there is another issue and that is how long we should support the country's scientific productions so, how do you want us to interpret this word self-sufficiency , that is, let's say that now we have enough graduates in philosophy, for example , we don't give money to the universities that say they want students to take philosophy, or we have salaries, money. nadim to universities .

mr. dr. mohseni, i think that this self-sufficiency has not only been achieved, but we have crossed my border, with this explanation that seems to me , i will say that this is one of your ambiguities . this will help to understand the content of course, yes, during the constitutional negotiations when this principle was approved, there was not much discussion about this word to see the law. what was his opinion at that

stage, but two minimum concepts can be understood from self-sufficiency in higher education: one , you don't need to send students abroad, most of the time , but without exception, two , you don't need to bring graduates of university courses to the country. in my opinion, this has been achieved for a long time , the actual reason is that we are now university graduates. we have a lot of unemployed people in the country , which means we have more educated people than the market needs which shows that we have crossed those boundaries. many of the people who are even working in non -specialized fields are busy themselves, which means that the university education does not help in the discussion of employment or the purpose that the person entered for his education. indeed, self-sufficiency is not knowledge, mr. doctor himself.

the self-sufficiency of educated people has crossed the border of self-sufficiency of educated people as an output of higher education. i want to give an example . you can see that the share of higher education in the entire country's budget was about one and a half percent of the entire country's budget. even more there are many other countries that have the same concerns as us. it is even less than this amount , according to the report of the research center of japan, the benefit of portugal, the share of higher education in their public sector is less than 1 % of the total budget of their country, that is, i want to say that this amount of investment that happened in iran may be low in my opinion. compared to now, in my opinion, as much as mentioned in the constitution, it means self-sufficiency. in that case, the internal need has been solved, and by the way

, even more than that, it seems that now the contribution is being paid to the government collections, that is, now. china has so much knowledge. it is not self-sufficient in the world according to the definition you give. china 's education administration model is completely different , that is, it is completely state-owned. well, no, now you see that we do not need to send students. this means self-sufficiency . i cannot accept this at all. first of all, see where it came from. it is known that all the training that we give in our university is training. there are some that are given in all the universities of the world , but it is not like that, so we still need to send knowledge abroad, and although our domestic universities are very strong and powerful, they have many departments. some of these needs are being met, but in any case

, in my opinion , we still have a long way to go before we can

return to the political, social, cultural, and economic conditions of our country the way this student left. it should not be like the current situation where students all want to do other parts of their studies in foreign countries. while we see a lot of you , i feel sorry for me, i heard that we were sent abroad for persian literature, is such a thing possible? are you paying attention? see, i am not saying that sending, that or using other knowledge. i in general, my point is that you can see that we can say self-sufficiency in the agricultural sector , we can support agriculture in a few ways, let's say, for example , increase the level of smartness , what do i know, let's not import that product anymore, well, but we can never

say in science that we will be self-sufficient. yes, it is possible that we can produce specialized knowledge in our own country in a suitable way that is used by professional institutions and various specialized institutions in our country , but this does not mean that we no longer need to send students from another country to study there. kanim begman does not mean this now again, mr. doctor, tell me, i am at their service . also, dr. mohseni zadan, give an example regarding the fact that, for example, fields that seem to be like philosophy, their example has become obsolete, for example, these are free. for example, for my education , by the way, let me say the opposite . look, i think that the higher education of the public sector of higher education, if it has the duty of governance, it should come to enter areas that

are not attractive for the private sector of higher education, such as philosophy or the basic science fields, which we have a crisis in the country now, must be improved for students to go for them let him be in charge. these courses are not very attractive for the non-governmental sector because there are not many candidates. by the way , it should focus its governance duties on such courses , otherwise, it is a course that has a good job market . i don't know that accounting is one of the most widely used fields, even though now it is possible to do all kinds of management fields and these are the ones that he is capable of. there is also a private sector , come out of these, then you will see that the available government credits are sufficient for the expenses of the field. government higher education makes us , they don't need tuition-paying courses anymore. i have one thing to say. this discussion about the interest of some students

to leave the country is different from what i said . they don't make this decision to continue their studies and necessarily enter a university field that doesn't exist here. they have other reasons. it may be cultural, it may be economic , which is mostly the case. for this reason, by the way, we don't have a deficit, that is, those fields that are in the collection higher education is offered in the country , it is in perfect harmony with almost all the interests that exist in various scientific fields, mr. dr. mohseni, do you agree with the proposition that fields such as science and these are the government ones? for the rest of the fields that have a suitable market, see me, not me , let me tell you something. now, we have given an example of several disciplines. one

thing that is not very common in our country is the economics of higher education . the duties of the role that they have in the production of science in the country are to receive funds, but look at this. let me tell you that this dependence has made the universities to be a little weak in securing their own independence. look, i sometimes say a university, for example, i think that if i say this now, it might be an interpretation that we have to talk about for hours. i think that our public universities are the independence of universities, which is the goal and basis of academic independence. you can see that it has been greatly weakened at

different levels of our universities, now they receive money from the budget simply because they are public universities now, i have said this many times, i think that we are coming from one side, we are promoting, we are saying , sir, universities have an article of permanent rulings, we are saying, sir, that universities are independent in, for example , financial affairs, i don't know their transactions and such, but you see, our universities are setting rules for them in terms of scientific affairs , which means that they do not have the ritual independence that the university should have. and philosophy and this by the way, these should

be taught in public universities in a good quality way, even the basic sciences, and one of the reasons you say is that our non-governmental universities may not be able to show themselves very well in these fields. we should have an independent academic community, which i think is weak in many ways in our country. the fact that the universities are state-owned has caused widespread supervision, for example, by the administrative court of justice, on many of the scientific, educational and research activities of hamon university. so, look, you say that we should come and look at what field let's give some more. the private sector should teach them, not see them. now, the private sector , because it is private, may

be a little more independent than public universities in terms of the type of decisions it makes, but in any case, i must have taught this field and these sciences in universities that have a long history of research and education. i don't think that giving it to the private sector will solve the country's problem. i mean, let's come to a university in tehran and say, "you don't teach these courses anymore, we want to teach them in the legal department, teach them in the private department, i will know later. i think mr. ghafoor's opinion was that fees should be charged for those courses, like other universities, they should be public universities , but it should be expensive, no, no, i say this field is a field of free competition, why should it be monopolized by the public sector? i have a point. the student likes

to study in a university called tehran university . we cannot call it monopoly. i would like to make a point, maybe a misunderstanding sometimes happens. we are the largest public university network in the country. let's take it so that in fact , a decision should be made about the government university complex, everyone quickly says tehran, sharif and amir industrial kabir and ina mean that they give examples of several indicators and according to the container. those who have it get a general verdict for all the public university network , while you yourself know that there is no proportionality between the academic level in public universities, this equality is not necessarily established from public universities, only some of them have this brand and this position. and they have this credit. by the way, i am saying that a regulatory body outside of the ministry of science and the ministry of health

is needed. that's why your order is finished . what you are saying about the independence of universities is clearly violating the independence of universities please ask us to let an outside body come and say whether this university has quality or not . you yourself accept this. you can see what this means, of course, i am saying this. . the independence that we call the independence of universities has a scientific basis. it has a scientific basis. you see, a university is a place that has the ability to produce science. if it is possible, an institution from outside will come and say that you

have this quality now, don't close it , it doesn't have this quality, close it, or i'm here for you. you brought your quality below, i will get the budget. below these, this clearly violates the independence of the scientific authority of the universities . i don't know what basis this can have . please, i would like to ask you that , first of all, the university has been seen to have various functions, and it is no longer just the production of science. you are in a period of this. it is the responsibility of the university that the experts needed at night, for example, the government body. should he train them, or right now, one of his duties is this, that is , it is not just the science production department. another point is that the issue of the independence of the university is to see that the university is an institution born from the western civilization and by the way, one of the the most significant institutions that emerged from western civilization. i basically

do not accept the model that exists for the university in the definitions of the western system, that is, a type. they define the independence they have and try to reproduce it here . in my opinion , it is not necessarily compatible with the expectation that comes from the university in another civilization model, but what is our model for this work? there is a debate somewhere, maybe something called hikmat-banyan university has been around for a while now . i think the supreme council of cultural revolution itself is in charge of this work for the past four or five years. solve this problem and let us define it. what does university independence mean? what does university mission orientation mean? by the way, i want to say the same thing . if we introduce cash to our public universities, they will suffer from the same impact that you said, from the same government credit, that a staff body will be created

, whether in its faculty or in its employees. and that dexterity, that necessary agility, incidentally, because of the budget. the government is losing. free university or even private urban departments such as university of applied scientific society. in the past few years, because the market is important to them, they started the fields that it is not used, they put it aside, they review the new field because it has to maintain this market. that agility is much more serious in the non-governmental sector. i think this is a point of damage. this is what a public university has always been, and that's why it should not be developed, but it should be taken to the point that a mission should be defined and designed for the public university itself, and based on that, they should receive credit and be accountable for their quality, mr. doctor, in my opinion. among the obvious things, a presenter cannot be his own supervisor. this is very

clear. it also has meaning in any other field, the university. and the ministry of university sciences is a western phenomenon, no , you see, we know the university as it is today , we have the field, which is completely coincidental, i think that the field is more independent from our universities , that is, in terms of scientific independence. university in iran is one of the most important constituent elements. the culture of the society, politics and economy are the last one hundred and 120 years, that is, i want to say like this that

weakening the university means weakening the country. act independently, not in in the recruitment of academic staff of the university, it is not possible to produce scientific content. well, for example, suppose that the university has come to hold a meeting about a political issue. we are talking about a university that can shoulder a social burden, the universities of our country can almost be said to be like this. i would like to tell you that the problem with your proposal is that

i wanted to take care of this issue. you did not say that we have a right in the constitution called the right to education. what do you say about the right to education? if our public universities do not have the right to receive any education from the government to fulfill this duty. how come this right to education, which is mentioned in article 30 of the constitution, and then mentioned again in article 3, article 3, and we should also have this in the international documents that we are members of, such as articles 26-27 of the universal declaration of human rights or clause 4 of the political agreement or articles 13 and 14. if we come and tell the public university that your public university is from

from now on, don't teach philosophy, don't teach accounting , auditing, don't teach special sciences , so what will happen to this right to educate people ? i will do it. you also have a duty to support me. now the support we want from you is to provide at least a part of the budget. this is what i am saying. with this budget that is being paid to them, the public universities that do not solve their problems at all are a part of there is a budget, sometimes you know that when the first budget is published , we see many institutions that are now you are they different cities, or are they actually institutions

, what is tehran university doing about science, culture, and the theme ? the government is providing 75% of the credit required for public universities. actually , the other 25% is much less from the same income activities. this is the official report . i can say about the university of tehran that the budget of the university of tehran is about 60% and much less. now this is me quoting the report of the majlise research center, but i am saying that the government is as much as this 75%, which if the number is correct, is from the special domain, that is, the special subsystem of government education.

article 30 of the constitution says that as far as self-sufficiency is concerned , what i am saying is that the output of the country's higher education system in these years has ensured this self-sufficiency. free government education remains in the government. the extent of the same governance duties , but it may necessarily include all disciplines academic trends, don't know, this word is not accurate, the duties of governance, see the duties of knowledge at all.

one of the main functions of the university system, otherwise , why should the employment of graduates be an issue in the country, because this has not been achieved or there is a problem, not employment, yes, it is a national policy, i agree that it is possible that many of our fields are over capacity at all , let's have a general policy that says the responsibility of the university should be given to the government sector and the rest to the private sector

. from setting a mission for themselves their mission is the right to education. now whatever it is, the implementation of the right to education should actually be handed over to the private sector for the fields that do not fall within the scope of their mission, and secondly, their tuition payment system should be stopped . how do you guarantee the quality? yes, you do not have all those sub-systems, so you want to turn the university into an office , that is, a quality control device will come and say whether this graduate has quality or not . for example, let's create a standard organization for the university. this is totally unacceptable. second point. in fact, you did not have the same answer, no, no that's all, my logic for this point is only that the evaluation of the performance of the higher education complex requires a multi-departmental device that should actually

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