what players are there in the market that we are considering, then we will check whether this market has market power and monopoly power or not . the market is also defined based on the product or service, that is, the main pillar of the market of that product or service that is offered in that market. and it is requested, well, first we have to have a discussion about what these internet taxis actually have. what do they offer? is it a transportation service or another service? if we say transportation service, then the market will be such that all transportation service providers will be in this market. took that is, these two companies with their current name and another competitor and others are actually operating companies that are similar to these.

also, those agencies that were more before the advent of this technology are now fewer, and actually urban taxis, means of transportation within the city and sometimes between cities, well, all of these are included in this market, but the point i want to make is this. basically, the service provided by these internet taxi companies under the name of internet taxi is not a transportation service because they are themselves. themselves with vehicles they do not serve the people themselves, that is, for example , snab company or tabsi company does not send its own car and its own driver to actually move the people, but these are companies whose main job is to transport people, that is, they are a group of drivers, they own the cars themselves. they have no employment relationship with these companies and want to operate in the transportation market. on the other hand

, there are a number of people who want to use the service of this company, actually the drivers, but arranging them, so to speak, as it is called in economics, is a service that these companies provide their software is doing this matching with their system, of course, in order for this matching to be done correctly, they have a series of rules and regulations. that is to say, a framework is defined for the driver by the drivers who want to be active in this framework and this game that they design and organize this market . is this market their own monopoly or not? well , when we include the matching service between the driver and the passenger, it means that this service is offered by the suppliers of this market.

there are suppliers who provide this sorting service , not those who provide the transportation service , and their customers are actually the ones who get this sorting service . and tabsi and maksim are like these, the demanders of this market are both drivers and passengers who want to get along with each other and the price of this market. i don't want to pay that freight any more, it's not transportation, but the price of this market is the commission that this company takes, and this market is exclusive, completely exclusive, yes, i see. there is an explanation for the exclusivity . i will tell you again in parentheses that we had invited these companies to appear in the program, but for whatever reason, we could not make this coordination from the companies' side to appear in the program. mr. hadi, what do you think, do you think this market is monopolistic or competitive

? in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful, i am at your service , dear guests of the program and dear viewers. today was ghazah day . god willing, destruction let's see israel. thank you very much for the good topic that you chose as the title of the program . well, the title of the program was the discussion of command pricing. i think that in the discussion of command pricing , the experience is actually evident, which is in front of all of us and in every field. the economy that we came and entered in an orderly manner and in fact from top to bottom without paying attention to the requirements and in fact the real conditions of the market, i think the result is now in front of all of us and all areas are more important than horizontal and monetary areas. and services, etc., including the field of transportation, for example, intercity and the buses are intercity buses , the result of which is that most of the buses are not worth it at all and tickets are not found at all . in fact, the main thing is that we

think that with the prescriptive pricing or with the traditional methods that we had in urban management, and i think that it has clearly shown its inefficiency , in fact, i think that it has already passed . now, if we want to enter the discussion of competition and monopoly , which are really topics that are much more advanced in terms of regulation in the world. it is newer and newer that the countries are landing in . of course, i say it is newer than the traditional regulation methods, which of course we are still using the same methods. in general , the competition issue is a new issue. in fact, if i want to say it to continue mr. zulfiqari , i said that one of the main topics in the discussion of monopoly and competition is that we must identify the scope of the market, and in fact, we must determine the scope and field . let me complete that we are in business mode on the internet, we actually have two ways of providing services , direct supply and indirect supply, or a platform or what we know as a platform in the field of e-commerce in recent years all over the world

, including iran . it is debatable , it is necessary, i will explain, and the main point of my discussion is actually the cost reduction, and in fact it is specialized. being the subject has actually come, and in fact it has become the main procedure of the e-commerce trend in the world . in fact, in the field where they are actually an item and their job is to generate information, they create a middle ground , and in that field where goods and services are to be offered, a series of service providers are actually providing goods and services on this platform. whether they are a doctor or actually a shop or a trade union or a unit such as a hotel or an airline agency and so on or whether they are a driver and a service provider, that is what we are doing in e-commerce and according to the rules and regulations. for example, i would like to specifically emphasize on these internet taxi platforms such as the platform in fact, they act as an intermediary and settler, and

in fact, there is a gap between the supplier and the consumer. here, our criteria is that the money that is being paid on this platform is being paid for now. when you pay money on snap or tafsir , what are you actually paying for ? you are paying for the transportation service, so the activity of these platforms is to provide transportation services in an indirect or squisty way, if in fact this is the definition that this definition has actually been around for several years, in fact , at least we are in the center by electronic means, which is about 12 we have been discussing the organization of internet business for years, and at least in the last five or six years , which are clearly trending in the field of sequitur, it has actually become the main trend of e-commerce in the world and in iran. this is actually what is the criterion of action, and i think it is very clear, that is, you ask the consumer, anyone who is a driver or anyone who witnesses and observes this issue , sir, what is the service that is being provided now. it says that the transport service is, for example, urban or intercity, and until the end

, the service was a competitive or exclusive market. let's consider that we myself, you, our family, our surroundings and all the people now want a traffic. let's do a city , we have several options or so-called alternatives or alternatives that recognize that obstacle and we have to determine the share that exists in this market , is it more than 50% or is it dominant or not ? in tehran itself, for example , at least 677 urban traffic is done by private vehicle, which means that you can take out your private car or motorbike if you have one every day instead of taking a snap. its share is being done through bus services

, but due to the lack of necessary regulatory system , it has progressed towards a form of monopoly, so i believe that if we have a review of the legal basis of this issue together and let's talk about the need for regulation

, maybe, god willing, it will go towards the issue of being competitive and overcoming the exclusive space we have. now , i have a series of issues. regarding the legal aspects, there is this issue that if i get a chance , i would definitely like to serve you, so it means that you believe in the exclusivity of the market and you don't think that this is like mr. hadi's explanation. the market should be a competitive market. i said that the basis for the formation of this competitive market, but due to the lack of a regulatory system, it has moved towards monopoly because we did not have supervision, because it is said that the ruling power could not come and enter, and there are many reasons that we are now discussing the method, god willing, thank you mr. zulfiqari for your opinion. do you agree with this competition in the way that mr. hadi pointed out? i mentioned at the beginning that by the way, a key point here

is the definition of the market. hi are they providing this service on the internet , is it a transportation service, no, what is the logic of us saying that these are transportation service providers, none of these drivers have any employment relationship , they do not have a car ownership relationship, they have no relationship with these companies. these are the drivers who are the owners of their own cars, they provide transportation service and the same goes for the passengers, so this is a very important point that the service they are providing is purchased by the service applicants and the price of this service is of course a commission. another thing , this is actually a platform. in fact, they have platforms what do you do?

this is because they manage the mechanism of determining the price or the fare . if we consider the transportation market and the fare that is actually determined for this service , it is true that there are many drivers in that market, and in fact, there are also many passengers. it is not an exclusive market, but it is a process market. bargaining to find out the equilibrium price does not happen like in competitive markets, no driver determines the fare by himself, no passenger determines it by himself , and this is part of a mechanism, but from this point of view, in my opinion, now because it is a question of price placing an order related to fares, because we have two prices here, one is the fare itself , which is in the form of one rial, and the other is the commission of this platform, which is in the form of a

percentage. a transparent process in such a way that this bargaining process can be realized indirectly in another way can be accepted as a competitive price and it is believed that there is no need to interfere with orders. they are saying now. they say that they have a process according to the objective of these, the number of tables is also logical economically, the benefit they get is actually the commission they get, and they get the commission from the completed trip, so their preference is to increase the number of trips as much as possible. whether it is done or not, this should be the maximum possible number of trips , so if one

exceeds a certain limit, the drivers are willing, but the passengers are not willing, and vice versa. in an artificial intelligence mechanism, these numbers are specific it is possible to maximize the number of trips based on the records of the subject. if this process is correct and transparent, and if it is confirmed that such a transparent process really exists , then the criteria for determining the fares will be set, then it can be said that the fares do not need to be interfered with by an order . a governing body should actually check this, and it depends on which body it is, it depends on whether there is a competitive aspect, as you are now saying that their market is a monopoly market, which means that they should compete. yes, no, look, i mean, this is a fare there was a mistake in the discussion. now, mr. zulfafali

, let me explain. yes, i will tell you. look , we have a fare. if this process that these companies claim is a random process that wants to maximize the number of trips, then the most satisfaction of the passenger is the driver. wants to have, this process becomes competitive bargaining indirectly , instead of the driver and passenger bargaining with each other, this actually has an algorithm that actually implements this bargaining, this is true, but we have another discussion that these companies take a percentage of this fare as their own commission. use this number higher and higher and setting this number can harm the interests of the driver as well as the interests of the passenger

because it actually causes this number to go higher than the number that the driver accepts the trip for the passenger. it gives a higher number and well, this money is taken from the fare that should have been given to the driver. this requires strict supervision and competition regulatory issue. well, mr. hadi , see your explanation. we are talking about the fact that there are almost certain examples that we have now, what about us, what about everyone, actually a successful example, when they want to give an example of digital e-commerce, they say, sir, look , it is not at all comparable to what it was before, that is, i am asking that we all review it once, it is not too far away that we ourselves once when we were a little younger, we were teenagers, and we were standing on the side of the street , shaking hands in the rain in the cold, probably friends would come and sprinkle some water on us , we would go back and forth under a light, and these are now ladies with a gentleman's attitude. with a situation with women and children and

so on, until, for example, a car comes to catch us, i'll be next i don't know with what quality, sir, for example , you closed the door quietly. i don't know what you did to the glass . i don't know. you are smoking a cigarette. i mean, what is this situation? now we have reached a situation where you actually choose a car whose information is completely clear, the identity of the driver is clear. in general, the comparison of these two is the comparison of the earth to the sky. well, now let's come to the discussion that mr. zulfiqari said . in fact, my request is this, because the viewers are now watching, and in fact, we want this discussion to be useful for the people. please, mr. zulfiqari, in fact, their order is that now the service provided by these companies is a poor service. i am asking you. let me ask you now that we pay the money that you and i have in documents, first of all , there is no distinction on this issue at all, and secondly, in fact, if they ask us, sir , what do you have this money for now, is it correct, or are we doing a deal now ? we are getting a transportation service from point a, we will be transferred to point b, and we will pay a fee. now, part of this is the company's share , and part is the driver's share. what is the percentage? we do not enter this issue, what

is being presented to the consumer, please be careful , we do not go into it, in fact, the details of that economic enterprise. what is the service that is being provided to the people? the service is not quoted . this is where your mistake is. what exactly is the service of snap and tafsir ? i am not on the side of the account. i have money in my account. they should ask you if this car is a snape car. the driver connects , mr. zulfiqari, what i think is actually characteristic of this issue is that he connects and how it is possible and that he understood each other before. you have registered, sorry, we don't want to define history . now, you, your wife, you have a child . you deposit money in the payment portal . my money goes to the payment account. you don't know the name on the back of the account. i have a driver. the representative of snap has cash from you, this is your interpretation, this is a mistake

, well, this is actually something that according to the language, i am very grateful for what you said, in fact , it is not a discussion between you and me, according to the regulations, and in fact , what we have is a profile and birth certificate. to all businesses and their services are characterized by their business license and their license is issued based on that by the experts of amouzeh and the authorizing body of the e-commerce support center and the national trade union of virtual businesses . this country is being implemented. now , if you say, sir, all this is wrong and there is no problem with the regulations, you will sit down and we will have an expert discussion, but now it is simple what i am paying online now. people pay money online, right at the online cash payment portal, which no one gives to the driver now it is very rare that no one else has any cash at all. now, the money you are paying, according to the information that both the payment gateway and the bank side, do you have money? i know whether it is the municipality's share or the union's share, it

does not enter your details at all, you will receive your service now. if you receive an invoice from snap, what invoice will you receive? to the company that you are, the organization that you are , you see the invoice and criticize it, so i would like to ask you first about this matter that according to the regulations and let's put the custodian device that diagnoses this issue as a reference, because it is not possible anymore , the diagnosis custodian device has is this, not in this case , in other cases, if this is what you are saying, then we, dear mr. big installer , should have all the platforms now let's call it digikala snab, doctor, doctor, let's tell everyone, sir, they are giving such a service that people don't understand what jursazi means. then they say, sir, we are getting medical consultation services from the doctor , we are buying goods from digikala, this is all indirect and sequoia. business and business models. let's understand so that we can serve you what is offered to the people and yes, it is one. when you make an online purchase, you put money

into the melli bank account. for example, your account is in the melli bank. you told that seller that you said that i gave it to snap, but it didn't work. if you don't ask a question, you should answer it without hesitation. you put money into everyone's account and the owner of everyone is the same as the account in melio bank and tsadhar bank, which is not important at all you are not the owner of anyone's account. you have money in it . you mean that you believe that the money that people give is the owner of this money . let me tell you , now he asked another question, i will answer about, for example, if you have an account with the national bank. 20 you are giving money to him, it is clear that you are now putting the money into the account of the company behind the online payment portal of this company and give permission to snap

in the name of a company from the romat tejarat network, which is now snap. we know the account that is behind the door of peda , according to central bank and shoprak rules, it must belong to the same company , and you put it in islam's account. the owner of that account is the owner of that account. was. i said what i had to say and i said it clearly, but the second point is that the custodian said that this is the custodian , who said that the e-commerce development center is the custodian of the market , i didn't say the custodian. and then we said what is the market manager pay attention, the e-commerce business custodian

, the e-commerce development center has a custodian. in fact, the regulation of competition in our country has fallen into monopolistic market pricing. a competitive regulatory tool. the trustee of competition regulation in our country according to the standards of chapter 9 of the law on the implementation of main general policies 44 of the constitution of the competition council and in fact the instructions for price regulation the amount and conditions of access to the market mentioned in paragraph 5 of article 58 of this law, one, according to article 92 of this law, this law governs all other laws , two, this is actually the regulation of competition, the first step. that is, no matter how we define this market , whether we define it as a sorting market or a transportation market , the trustee should allow the trustee to compete with

the competition council, not any other body, and this change should be made clear in the competition council that the trustee is basically the trustee of this market. what is the definition , the definition of jursazi and the view of the competition council ? the bazaar is a monopoly market, but the prices are still adjusted. pay attention. now the topic of your discussion is about taxis and what people are seeing the program now. the concept of adjustment is at all. your mind was like that before the program. what mr. zulfahad says is absolutely right. they say that if we actually take care of the economic activity and the thing that the consumer pays for and the invoice is issued according to the law, the goods and services

are an expert , we will go into specialized discussions . now, sir, the service he has is characteristic of the people what is the transportation service offered? if we have defined the transportation service, now discuss it here , mr. bezor, will it be installed? do we have a reference for pricing? we are the general public of the goods and services of mr. bezor, dear installation, especially according to the new resolution passed by the parliament in the seventh plan law. thank god, the guard has also approved it, except for the cases that have direct government subsidies, such as bread, for example, very limited cases. the market should determine the rest of the cases as it is happening now, and by the way, in my opinion, if we want to give a successful example of the internet taxi, what does it mean that the market has worked well?

it means the consumer razia reza. no one has said that he should go back and raise the issue of this mechanism. let's disrupt the mechanism . it goes back to the fact that if a service is provided and there is a monopoly, it should be regulated in order to protect the rights of the general public and prevent this monopoly. abuse of monopoly, not monopoly itself, but the point here is that

what is the truth of this market , what is the reality of this market? they say that yes, our opinion is that the service of hamar and the quote is being provided. very respectful of your progress, but what is being provided, i am not saying that the transportation service is not provided, but who provides that transportation service? does snap have a car and offers it? yes, that service is provided by the driver , he provides it with his own car , no, not at all, you are self-evident, in fact, you are making an article, the service that snap provides is a sorting service, it does not provide a transportation service at all, no transportation service at all. the driver of the car is giving the quote

. no, it's clear, you don't the information comes and makes the security, and those suppliers of goods and services, whether they are doctors , drivers, or goods sellers, can't build a website for themselves, get hardware and software support, and i agree with this. what i said is my opinion, which of course i did not use the opinion clause, i said that from the legal point of view, the criterion of the invoice that is being issued is information. it is being recorded in the transaction, the money that the party is depositing, this is a legal criterion according to the invoice law , the criterion is that what is recorded in the invoice is a commodity the services of the proxy or indirect invoice criteria are characteristic of the goods or services. now if we had this discussion, i will now come to the part where mr. zulfiqari and i may reach a consensus. that is the discussion of the pricing of the order that you and i have an opinion that actually. i'm sorry for the weakness and ineffectiveness of it all because of maneh shamseh, that is, we entered every field in the form of an order, except that

we destroyed that field. he didn't do anything else, it means that everyone is dissatisfied, the consumer is dissatisfied, the economic activist is dissatisfied, and finally the government itself is dissatisfied with this dissatisfaction again, just like the other situations we have. we see, now we come to the discussion of elimination of competition in your statement, which is a very advanced discussion , as you have said correctly, principle 44 law, which is a progressive law, for this reason, in fact , we have this discussion, in fact , antitrust. let's recognize that there is a monopoly. now bring the competition. and enter and actually formulate there or come to determine the criteria . okay, now i will explain this further. well , i will say once again in parentheses that we, of these companies that we have named, are clearly in the field. we invited internet taxi to be in our program , but anyway, for whatever reason , they didn't want this to happen .