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telegram is playing across the country, why is your question an interesting question in these 6 months of pricing ? treatment we do not agree, higher than cedar or higher today, wherever we are, we are higher tomorrow. in the name of god , greetings, politeness and respect to each and every one of you, dear and respected viewers of the higher election program of the leader of the revolution, in his recent meetings , he called the real competition one of the most important pillars of the election , which means that it is a field for the presence of different economic and cultural views. political and social should be open so that all these views can have a real competition in the big contest of elections .

there is a difference of opinion on whether it is competitive or exclusive the internet taxi market and the need or not for the government to price it, we want to talk about it and see that basically the government should enter into mandatory pricing and whether or not the internet taxi market is a competitive market or a monopolistic market. be specific to the higher program. well , there are also mr. hadi, an economic expert, and here in the special studio for the higher program, mr. zulfiqari, a university professor and economic expert , and the former vice president of the electronic commerce development center, in the other studio for the higher program, mr. qaemi a member of the tehran city council is present and we are going to talk together, but before we start our debate, my colleagues in the market group have prepared a report that i invite us to see together and start our conversation. mr. mohammad

khalaj, ceo of snap. in internet taxis , everything is transparent for the passenger and the driver. this transparency has many advantages. it has a quality that cannot be easily found in the traditional market. prescriptive pricing policy is undoubtedly the death of innovation. mrs. negin ansari, legal assistant of tabsi, internet taxis cannot be similar considered city taxis. binding internet taxis to management in the traditional way of municipalities and taxis not only disrupts these businesses but ends up harming people and passengers . mr. ali hakim javadi, head of the system. the price of a computer has always been detrimental to the people and usually has not reached its goal. mr. seyed jafar tashri, head of the civil and transportation commission of the islamic council of tehran, the rates of internet taxis during peak traffic hours are very strange and unfair.

receiving such sums is against the law, and for this reason, there should be an institution that supervises the fare price these taxis should enter so that people do not suffer. mr. mohammad sadegh muftah vice-chancellor. the former ministry said that as long as there is a monopoly in internet taxis , the upper body should monitor the prices . internet taxi market cannot be left without supervision. mr. hassan hassan khani, an economic expert, in the current situation, two large companies created a monopoly in internet taxis and took over the majority of the market. if there is no control over monopolies, people will lose . in mohammad's report, we reviewed the opinions of supporters and opponents of mandatory pricing allahari, mr. zulfiqari , let's go to the main topic of the main question of the program, your opinion, these internet taxis that were mentioned in the report, are their markets competitive or exclusive

, in the name of allah , the most merciful, the most merciful ? we want to talk about whether a market is exclusive or competitive. according to the principles of regulation of competition , we need to examine several steps. the first step in regulation of competition is the definition of the market, that is, competition is formed in the context of the market. let's check whether there is market power and monopoly power in this market or not. the market is also defined on the basis of goods or services, that is, the main pillar is the market of the goods or services that are offered and demanded in that market. well, we must have a discussion first. let's look at what is actually offered by these internet taxis , is it a transportation service or another service, if

we say transportation service, then the market will be such that all transportation service providers in this market. they will be placed, that is, these two companies that are now named and one another competitor and others, in fact , there are companies that operate similar to these, as well as those agencies that were more before this technology came, now they are less, and actually urban taxis are means of transportation within the city and sometimes between cities. well, all this. are placed in this market. but the point i want to make is that basically, the service provided by these internet taxi companies that are called internet taxis is not a transportation service because they do not serve people with their own vehicles, for example snab company. or

tebsi company owns his own car and his own driver it is not sent to actually move people , but these are companies whose main job is transportation, that is , they are a group of drivers, they own cars , they have no employment relationship with these companies, and they want to operate in the transportation market. there are a number of people who want to use the service of this company, in fact, the drivers, but the matching is exactly as it is called in the economy, this is a service that these companies do with their software and system madan, of course , in order for this sort of arrangement to be done correctly they have a series of rules and regulations, that is , they specify a framework for the drivers, the drivers

who want to be active in this framework and this game that they design and make adjustments to this market , they should actually have a series of rules and regulations. rules and well, when we define this market as the matching service between driver and passenger , it means that this service is being provided by the suppliers. this market is only the suppliers who provide this sorting service, not those who provide the transportation service and their customers, who are actually the ones who provide this sorting service. according to the description that i have given, in this market, the suppliers are only these companies, for example, snap, tapsi, maxim and the like . the demanders of this market are both drivers and passengers who

want to get along with each other. be present in the program , mr. hadi, what do you think, do you think this is open. is it monopolistic or competitive, in the name of allah , the most merciful , the most merciful, i greet you, dear guests of the program and viewers, thank you very much for the good topic you chose as the title of the program. in my opinion, in fact, in the discussion of mandatory pricing, the experience is actually evident that is in front of all of us, and every field of the economy that we are mandated and in fact from top to bottom without paying attention to the requirements. we have really come and entered the market. i think the result is already in front of all of us in all areas, including

horizontal and monetary areas, services, etc. look at the buses, the result of which is that most of the buses are not profitable at all it's sleeping and tickets can't be found at all . i've seen a few reports that sedavasima is actually gone, so the main issue is whether we should think about the pricing according to the order or the traditional methods that we had in urban management, and i think that's it. the inefficiency has shown itself clearly and openly . in fact, i think that we have already passed the issue . now, if we want to enter into the discussion of competition and monopoly , which are really issues that are much more advanced and newer in terms of regulation in the world. there are countries that enter, of course, i say that it is newer than the methods of regulation it is traditional, of course, we are still using the same methods. in general, the age of competition is a new issue. in fact, if i want to continue what mr. zulfiqari said, he said that one of the main issues in the discussion of monopoly and competition is that we we have to identify the scope of the market , we have to determine the scope and field

, i boldly think of mr. zulfiqari's request to complete it in this way that in the case of internet businesses, we actually have two ways of providing services, direct supply and indirect supply. or the platform or what we call it we have known a platform in the field of e -commerce in recent years all over the world, including iran , in fact, the way of a platform or a platform is explained for various reasons that can be discussed now, and the main point of my discussion is actually the cost reduction and the specialization of the subject. it has come and in fact it has become the main procedure of the e-commerce trend in the world , in the form of a platform , it is actually a group of teams that work in the field of information technology. they make a fence in the middle, and in that area where ka the service wants to be offered as a series of service providers. on this platform and this product , they offer their services, the most important thing is that they are doctors, or in fact, they are shops and trade unions, or

they are units, for example, hotels, airline agencies, etc., or they are also drivers and service providers, which is what we in e-commerce and according to the rules and regulations, we set the criteria for action. for example , i specifically emphasize on the internet taxi platforms because they are actually an intermediary and facilitator, and in fact, distance between the supplier and the consumer. we are in here, our criteria is that the money that is being paid on this platform is being paid for . now, when you pay in snap or tafsir , what are you actually paying for ? you are paying for the transportation service , so in in fact, the activity of these platforms is to provide cash transportation services in an indirect or sequester way. if in fact, this definition, which is actually several years old, in fact, at least we at the center have been discussing the organization of internet business through electronic means for about 12 years. we are going, and at least in the last five or six years, this has happened in the world and in iran

in fact, what is the criterion of action, and i think it is very clear, is that you ask the consumer, anyone who is a driver or anyone who witnesses and observes this matter , what does the service that is being provided now say to the consumer. hamqal service , for example, urban or intercity, and until the end, the service became competitive or exclusive, according to the definition of urban homoqel service, in fact, we should consider it like this . now, myself, you , our family, our surroundings and all the people, now we want to do an urban transportation , we have several options or so called alternatives or alternatives, which are those they recognize the obstacle and we have to do it. is the share that exists in this market more than 50% or is it dominant or not? now, as for traffic in tehran itself, for example, at least 70% of urban traffic is done by private vehicles. it is possible. it means that you can take out your private car or motorbike if you have one every day. in fact, some of it is done by bus, some of

it is done by subway, and some of it is done by passing taxis. and these can be done in an internet taxi section, sorry, taxi the taxi service agencies that we have had for a long time and now it is limited and finally a share in the internet taxi, which happened to be a successful internet taxi from those experiences, or with this definition, now it is less than i think, 6 or 7 percent, in fact, the share our urban traffic is actually smart transportation and internet taxi, and in fact, according to the standards that we compete with for humans , it is in no way below 10%, which is not debatable at all, which means that this market is not a monopoly. clip

but due to the lack of necessary regulatory system, it is low. towards a form of monopoly advanced. therefore, i believe that if we have a review of the legal bases of this issue together and address the need for regulation , maybe, god willing, the issue of competitiveness will overcome the monopoly space we have. now, i have a series of issues related to the legal basis of this issue, which i would like to tell you if i get a chance. so it means monopoly. you are a market and you don't think this market is a competitive market like mr. hadi explained . the monopoly has progressed because we had no supervision

, because it was said that the ruling power could not come to enter and there are many reasons that we are discussing now. the key point here is the definition of the market. i mentioned this at the beginning of my application that in fact the service that these internet taxis are providing now is this service a transportation service ? no relation from this driver. employment they don't have a car ownership relationship . they have no relationship with these companies. these are the drivers who own their own cars . they provide transportation services. the bargaining process to discover the equilibrium price does not happen like in competitive markets. no driver determines the fare by himself. it doesn't matter that no passenger decides on his own, and this

is part of a mechanism, but from this point of view, it seems. now, since the discussion of pricing orders refers to the fares, because we have two prices here, one is the fare itself, which is in the form of a number of riyals, and the other is the commission of this platform, which is in the form of a percentage. the correct fare is not determined during the bargaining process, but if it can be realized in a transparent process in such a way that this bargaining process can be indirectly realized in a different way, it is accepted as a competitive price and it is believed that there is a need to there is no order to interfere, what is the process like, as these companies are saying now, they say that they have a process , the number of tables is subject to their goal, and it is logical from the economic point of view, in fact, the benefit they get is the

commission they get. and they get the commission from the completed trip, so this... is definitely their preference this is to increase the number of trips as much as possible . well, in order to increase the number, the fare that determines whether the trip will be done or not should be in such a way that the maximum possible number of trips can be done. the drivers are willing to go for a higher balance, but the passengers are not willing and vice versa. therefore, in this process, as they are told, during a random process in an artificial intelligence mechanism , these numbers are determined in such a way that the number of trips is maximized based on the records. if this process is correct and transparent and confirmed really, there is such a transparent process, the criteria for determining the fares is set, then it can be said that

the fares do not actually need an intervention , this is happening. it depends on which input it is, it depends on the competitive aspect, as you say now that the market is a monopoly market , which means that competition must enter. yes , yes, no, look, this is what i mean, we have a fare . there was a mistake in the discussion. now, mr. zulfafali, i will explain . yes, i will say. look, we have a fare. if this process that these companies claim is a random process that wants to maximize the number of trips, so the driver wants to have the most satisfaction of the passenger. this actually has an algorithm. this actually implements bargaining , this is true, but we have another discussion that these companies take a percentage of this fare as their own commission, that percentage

is actually the price of the service here , they have a dominant position and this position dominant may cause that take advantage of this triangle position and put this number higher and higher. this number can harm the interests of the driver and the interests of the passenger, because it actually causes this number to go up, the number that the driver accepts for the trip, so the passenger pays a higher number, and this is my money from the door. in fact, the fare that should have been given to the driver will be taken, this requires a strict supervision and competition regulatory issue , mr. hadi , see your explanation. from samples of approx in fact, it is clear that we in the public meetings now

, what about us, what about all friends, is actually a successful example. when they want to explain digital electronic business , they say, sir , it is not comparable to what it was before, mr. zulfiqari. the companies provide a matching service. i am asking you a question . now, the money that you and i have is paid in the documents. first of all , there is no separation at all. secondly, in fact, if they ask us, sir , what do you have this money for now, is it true , or are we doing a deal now? now we are getting a cash delivery service , we will be transferred from point a to point b and we will pay a fee. now part of this share is the company's share, part is the driver's share. what is the percentage? the consumer will be provided, please pay attention to this . we are not entering into it. in fact, what are the details of the economic enterprise that we are not providing, what is the service that is being provided to the people? the service is not your fault here. yes, what exactly are snap and tafsih services they provide ? the question is, sir, this car is not snape

's car. sir, it is a driver. snape only connects you to that driver. mr. zulfiqari noticed that it is clear that i think that it is actually characteristic that it connects and how it is done and that before understanding, registered, sorry, we don't want to define history, now your own rich people. for all businesses and their services , business licenses and permits are issued based on that . the experts of amuza and the organization responsible for the e-commerce center and the national trade union of people and

virtual businesses actually give this diagnosis and this is what it is. which has been implemented in this country for more than 10 to 15 years , now if you say, sir, all this is wrong and there is no problem with the regulations , you will sit down and we will have an expert discussion, but now it is simple what i am paying online now. 90 above 90 95 people pay money online right at this payment portal. now, according to the information that you are paying, according to the information that both the payment portal and the bank side , you have money from snap. ok, you don't enter your details at all. you will receive your service now. if you receive an invoice from snap, what invoice will you receive? the service of all the companies you are, the organization you are , you will see the invoice and review it, so we are the first. regarding this issue , i would like to refer to the regulations and the custodian body that diagnoses this issue , because now the custodian body diagnoses this issue, and not in this case

. if this is what you are saying, then we should actually call all the platforms digikala now, dear mr. dr. dr. let's tell everyone, sir , they are offering jursazi service, but people don't understand what jursazi means, what do they say, sir, we are getting medical consulting services from doctors , we buy goods from digikala, this is all indirect and a platform. see, we are talking about e-commerce. first, we need to understand the business model so that we can serve you what is offered to the people. i have two questions, mr. majdi, yes, one, when you make an online purchase , you put money into the national bank account, for example , your account in the national bank. yes, is the money in the national bank? did you give it or did you give it to that seller that you snap did not ask questions , you have to answer, you ask your own questions and you let someone go ahead, you put money into anyone's account and

whoever owns it, it is the same as the account in melia bank. the company behind the online payment portal is authorized , please tell me snap, the name of a company from the romat tejarat network, which we now know is snap, the account behind the pede portal, according to the rules, even though markazi and shoprak must belong to the same company, you are now putting money into the account. islam is the owner of that account, whoever you have money, don't spend it i would like to make one point, of course i think this point was clear, i said what i had to say and

i said it clearly, but the second point. they say that the custodian device said like this, this custodian device that the e-commerce development center said in the e-commerce development center is the custodian of the market, i didn't say the custodian of the market. and e-commerce works of the e-commerce development center according to article 80 of the e-commerce law, market custodian, market custodian in the monopoly market, it is a competitive regulatory tool

in charge of regulating competition in the country. we adhere to the standards of chapter 9 of the law on the implementation of general policies of the 44 constitutional laws of the competition council and, in fact, the instructions for regulating the price, quantity and conditions of access to the market, which are mentioned in clause 5, article 58 of this law, one according to article 92 of this law, this law above all there are other rules governing two. this is actually the regulation of competition . the first step is to define the market, that is , how do we define this market, should we define the sorting market or should we define the transportation market. let the trustees at all allow us to compete with the trustees of the competition council, not any other body, and this change too. in fact, in the competition council should clarify who the trustee is, in fact, what is the definition of this market , the definition is a compromise, and the point of view of the competition council is that this is the point that i mentioned, so it means that the raqat council believes that the market is a monopoly market.

now, the topic of your discussion is about taxi and what people are seeing the program now. the concept of jursazi is completely different. before the program, your mind was like what mr. zulfahad says, which is completely correct. they say that if we actually focus on economic activity and consumption the supplier will pay for it and an invoice will be issued according to the law goods and services are what you need to be invoiced. if until now, snap and tabsil have not given a single invoice in the past seven or eight years, tell mr. we have to say something that the audience who is watching the program, i apologize , don't turn it off, go tell me, sir, what are they saying, what people understand about taxis is a transportation service for everyone who pays, whether they have a low or medium level of education. they do not enter into these complexities at all, that his highness as a teacher university.