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the members of the society should become members of these parties , so that the weight of the parties in the society can be determined, so this is a separate issue for you, no, mr. kazami, look , the weight of the parties does not determine the number of people who are members of the party. do you think that in different countries, we have checked that the parties in those countries are recruiting members across the country, no , maybe there is no need at all for it to be a national party, the party can be provincial , it is not possible to have a party flow at all, sir, so there are 30 specialists of the nizam children in tehran. engineering 30 doctors or one at all the movement of rabandazan said that we don't accept the party movement at all, we will come and form 30 specialists from doctors, engineers, lawyers and various groups. the need is not that there was a party at all, not an electoral system
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. the reason for rejecting the guardian council was that they said what can a person be a member of the first? in the proportional system, a person cannot be a member for more than one first time, but in the majority system, i was a member of 15 factions in the constituency, so what does this mean ? they accept you with different views they support me, this is a good thing , this is a bad thing, no, there is no problem, but now, any of the parties or coalitions that support me
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should make it very clear that exactly this coalition is planning to elect me, how much of my ballot basket is rejected due to this waste. but when i become a member of a list, the exact weight of that list will be determined . look, one of the problems we have in the country is that we divide the country into two proportional and majority electoral systems. is it possible to live in a country with two systems ? look at the election that happened to the guardian council by the way, it has agreed with the constitution and with the sharia law, the guardian council has approved it, what exactly does it mean that you have accepted article 64 of the law, when the guardian council accepts it in the humanitarian, political, geographical sphere , it means that this law should include all the people of this society, the geography of this country in take it and
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leave it to political factors, there are no two electoral systems . look at these 105 countries in the world that have a proportional system. some of them have a consolidated system, which means that constituencies are defined as single-representative constituencies and multi-representative constituencies, or a part of their representatives . what exactly is by nizam tek? a majority representative is elected, or in a city , for example, in tehran, they may say, sir, from 30 to 5 , they define tehran into, for example, 5 districts. each constituency has one representative
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, then they say 25 of them will be elected proportionally in different countries of this system, i ask you to give me an answer and let my people and viewers know that we say that first we say that the parties should be institutionalized in the country, this is a foundation and that's it. elections are proportional. yes , we say this. we will include the whole country, we say the province. if we can convince the police, that means we should make the elections legal. manually, proportionally in the whole country, which you mean, the role of the parties, the share of the parties, the share of even the independents, can be seen in the law . it should be implemented so that the elections in the country are provincial. mr. kazemi, if you look at the 10th parliament, before the parliament approves it, in order to convince the friends in the commission of councils and the parliament.
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i wrote about three to four articles, by the way , i gave examples about fars, khorasan, and tehran. my assumption was that we have 100 voters, for example, in fars, we have 18. we have representatives in 15 constituencies, the constituencies of shiraz have four representatives, the rest of the constituencies had only one representative, what is the proportional system of provinces and cities? later, by the way , i gave a so-called example of how the voters choose, how exactly the representatives of the sub-constituencies are chosen. is it possible for us to be exactly in the proportional system of provinces and cities, our main constituency will be the province of our sub-districts in fars, what about the 15 constituencies where
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we will do this, the discussion went to that stage. you even said in a discussion that we are going. until twenty we haven't prepared why should we go and enact a law, we will go later, we say let's come, now that we have prepared this, let's go to the law of proportional elections, the law of proportional elections that
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covers the entire geography of the country, but this is for me to come in the country and say, excuse me, tehran should be proportional, mashhad should be proportional, but the whole a hundred countries and, for example, several constituencies. for example, he knows that he has nothing to say about local issues. you know that if it is necessary to vote for him in the province because he has nothing to say , here exactly in the difference between your two cities , what is more important is why don't we solve it.
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the reason is that you have 110 constituencies with single representatives, which are usually single- representatives of people on local disputes, for example, in the city. in the discussion of the first provincial election, share gardani took issue with the fact that it was a whole province, so we went to make it a provincial city. do you remember that we were not the majority, but we came from a provincial city, a provincial city, what does a provincial city mean? it means, for example, the constituency of feldakhter and the usual ones that we are, yes, there must be a seman in the seat of the province, how? we have a competition in the city and at the same time we have a competition in the province a person who can
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win a relative majority, for example, 20%, for example , in his own city , will be ahead of the candidates in his city in the entire province, and this will become the province of the city. their concerns will be resolved. why is raf saying that we can also have a provincial seat from our own city in a province ? look, if the election model is a majority model , you will suddenly see that in one province, all the votes are from one faction. for example , my preferences may be with the representatives of jinnah, for example if a is opposed and i have a representative in the province, who do they refer to, but if there is proportionality, a combination of two factions will vote. yes, if it is, you want to make it a proportional city-province, not a majority city-province.
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this is your issue. if you explain, this is the issue. we say, for example, in tehran, we have a list a and a list b. it is true that list a is in the majority system. 30 people should actually get the seats, right ? yes, the list will be deleted altogether. in the proportional system , it says that it is proportional to the votes of the people of tehran. they give a list. for example, giving 20% ​​to a , giving 80% to b, list a , make 20% of the seats, the list is more than 80. now my question is, you are below list a, yes, the top of list a, with the bottom of list without votes, the top is less than below that, how do you want it? people who directly voted for me voted for my list and i am against our list.
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for the people who are on my list, voting for the people on my first means voting for me, but there is no such thing in a majority system. second, the rule of the minority is for the majority in tehran, for example, if the tendencies of a current is that 80% of them go to the list.
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in fact, people vote for lists, but now go and ask them if, for example , they can't name five of the people you voted for, and usually they refer to that list and so on, and because of the trust they have in that person, they generally either give a list or have names with that name, yes, and a discussion. there are others who say that there is a problem , for example, a respected representative who came from a constituency with low participation or a low population
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, for example, with 5 thousand votes, for example, is represented by a representative who, for example, what do i know, 500 thousand one million votes. their votes are actually the same and they can understand that in all systems the majority is first give an explanation to the people. definitely , look at what i am explaining. by the way, in the proportionality system , it is not like saying that you are obliged. yes , we don't have a closed list. we don't have a closed list, so we say, sir, you either vote for a or b. no, it can be 30 people. a combination of two lists or several lists and independent people , my choice is not required to choose all of them from one first, so what happens with knowledge like now that it is a good person to come and do something exactly, but look, exactly now, mr. kazmi pointed out. what is a so-called person in a list of things, the beard is from the last person to the first one the list from the end of that so-called list, whether
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we are in tehran or a big city, which for example includes a proportionality, now assuming that we create a two-way electoral system, one, for example, a majority, one, for example, a proportionality, for example, yes, you. people who voted 400,000 against this list, we want to remove 5 of them. with 400,450,000 voters, the top of that list with 300,000 votes , you want to replace it with 45,000 . if there is no problem, then you have the same problem that you are getting. what is your response now in the 10th elections of the people of tehran to the reformist trend, 30 seats were given to the reformists, of course, 36 7
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numbers are yes, you now, the events that are happening in tehran, the sixth parliament, all the reformists, the seventh, eighth, and ninth parliament, all the fundamentalists of the parliament. 10th, everyone is a reformist, all of me
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are voters, independents, how are these determined , look in tanas, i explained, suppose in tehran you have two lists, red and blue, in addition to 100 independents, am i a favorable voter, or are all red people selected? either all from blue or all from independent or a combination of these. the end of the election it's over, what are they doing? you can see that there are 30 candidates in this red list . they add up the votes and divide them into the total number of votes. votes can be the share of independent people, for example, 10%, 10%
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will be 30 seats, in tehran, three to that one will be 40, 12 will be three and 12 will be 15. where is the justice for someone who got 10% of the votes ? mr. kazemi , look at the specialized texts , the fairest electoral system among all our systems is the proportional system, it is not something that
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let it be held, we are talking about iranadat and now what are the reasons for this plan , look at the reasons, i would like to point out that one is that we have lived with this proportional election system in joint-stock companies for years , we are completely familiar with it. and he checked the problems exactly. the constitution does not comply with the description
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. thirdly, it reduces advertising costs. if i am on the list, i don't want to go solo anymore. he wants to increase his share in the majority stream , what is the so-called term, exactly because he knows that there is the next period, but in order to increase his share, he has to i have a question, you explained that in fact the votes of people who belong to a certain list, now they are independent, now they are the group of list a, and god willing, these
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are aggregated and the total percentage in relation to the votes of the candidates, their percentage will be determined based on the number of independents, maybe their number is much more, and as a rule, the sum of these votes of the independents will be more than the votes of the lists. you assume that this is the case. we have to choose all 30 people from mastoud. 10,000 independent expressions to have a list independents must appear with a list, not independent people, they can form a third list for themselves, or is there a red and blue list for your independents in tehran ? 10,000 independents . the number of them is not important, i say that because there are many of them, my beard basket will be more. if you think that each of them can get, for example, one million votes, 100 million
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more have no place in our electoral system. one is that the same point i made, for example, we say that at least 20% of the people's votes will be obtained with this proportional system, which mr. qadri could not do. convince me that with their proportional system , less than 20% should be taken instead of 30%. this is a discussion of one and the same duality in the legislation that we want the country in two ways in the election system. let's run the parliament, because in my opinion, this will create a problem in the country. look , all these questions have been answered. go now, any text or in fact any so-called article
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, book related to the electoral system , tell me, sir, the most fair. which electoral system ? i will immediately refer you to the proportional electoral system now you and i claim that you and i are exactly everywhere in the sea. your apology will be sent to the world . in which electoral systems do decent people vote? in what system do big people vote in a majority system
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? my dry wood, in amiyan's interpretation, they say that if you are on their list, you will get votes. yes, it's like you want to go and choose a cucumber. i say, sir , you have to choose small and large, and you only have big cities and how many seats you mention. you are a model over 20. let's look at a comment everything is in accordance with the constituency
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. i will explain this to you with numbers and figures . it is in my article, the article related to 2018 before the 10th parliament comes to approve it. at the end of the parliament, sir, since it is in the articles, i will ask questions in front of the camera . allow me. a city has two representatives, three to three people, three lists, three parties, how do you want the system to be a list, there is no problem with 10 lists , but one person cannot be in two lists, each person in one of your lists in one city. your constituency may have 2 representatives, for example 200
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participants. we have 50 coalition candidates what exactly is the binary coalition here, but here you are coming to form a coalition so that anyone from the east doesn't vote, he says, sir, you are in turkey, they say that the voting floor is for every 10% , what are some countries saying? we said 3 shares of one seat, exactly, this is exactly so that it won't be wasted so much, for example , don't go to tehran, for example, 100 losses will be formed, nahra 50, our losses will be 2 to 3 to 4 losses, 5 losses will be formed, because they know if the number of losses increases. if they don't reach that floor, they will go with their candidates like our independent candidates of mr. qadri we have another minute until the end of the program , considering that we started with you , please give the merit, i have explained the issue of justice , which i have explained, god willing, my discussion is 20% of the law that was established by you and me. there are no people
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. we have examined two ambiguities in a few meetings with the working group under the defense political commission of the assembly . kazemi, one minute is for you and one minute for us one is the issue of justice, that our system is a justice-oriented system , this is in conflict with
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justice . i believe that until this is resolved in iran , we will not be able to convince the public opinion of the society. i do not know this as a complete law and society and no obstacle. it has been resolved. it is not something you have done . it is being implemented in 105 countries of the world. we did, but 15 countries in the world are different from us, you should not compare us, sir, thank you for this discussion the participation of you who
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