and there is no escape from this crisis except changing the retirement age. alireza mahjoub, secretary general of the worker's house. obligations of pension funds are a type of two-way contract, whose unilateral violation is not accepted by the shiite authorities. the increase in retirement age should not include people who have become members of pension funds before the decision of the parliament and insurance premiums. yes , we saw the report together. it was an overview of the opinions of the supporters and opponents of the issue that we are going to have a debate about . if you are interested in this discussion, join us and watch this debate. thank you. thank you.

you are a special companion of the higher program. allow me to start with mr. babaei. mr. babaei , what is the reason for your opposition to increasing the retirement age? that on the 11th of march , proving to the effect of the orders of the supreme leader of the revolution to always support the system and, in fact , to make the duties of the officials of the parliament and the government heavier than in the past, is really a sick hand to the noble nation of iran and the people who, with all the hardships and hardships that in the areas of their daily life, they are following the ideals of the revolution. thank you

those responsible for conducting the elections are also under the influence of the leader of the supreme leader of the revolution for holding the elections well, refreshingly and cheerfully. dear mr. ghazizadeh hashemi, what is the matter of aging? retirement, which was sent to the parliament in the form of article 29 of the seventh program law in the islamic council of parliament, the parliament has also voted, and finally the picture has been finalized. well, it is one of the demands of the people, both the opponents and the supporters. during the election campaign, definitely plan with all the representatives. i had spoken as an opponent

. as the head of the labor faction of the islamic council , i still believe that, god willing, with the two -urgent plan that we gave , the parliament should accept part of its clauses and notes and make exemptions from it, and we will not include

the opinions of the opponents. and if you agree, if you look at it yourself, why is the goal of both sides, everyone is against this discussion, even the employer and even the worker, but the governments , in general, who are in fact with the governments , are in agreement. one of the main reasons that in fact the funds reached a serious disagreement, based on the actual situation of the funds, the serious reason is that in fact, more than 600 billion tomans of the governments have committed to the retirement funds , including the social security fund, contrary to the laws of various parliaments. in the past, you just give him a fund like the social security fund of 60,000 billion from the government . when you don't pay these numbers, you create a commitment on time . it is the responsibility of the governments that contributed , the governments are responsible for paying the funds. do a big economic boom of the fund

they are not necessarily like an input. let us have an outlet. yes, statistics all over the world. in fact , there is a coverage ratio called fund coverage, which actually creates security. well, this is a global standard, and even in our country, there are standards of it has been before, but the question here is when the governments came, for example article 29, for example article 9, and in fact or article 10 of reconstruction and modernization. they created a problem in the country that 5 years before the deadline, they actually created an obligation for the funds. it is natural that in fact during the last 30-40 years governments

have put a lot of pressure on the fund due to inefficiency both in the area of ​​making decisions and in the so-called decision-making area. now it is implied that if we accept the funds which is a company the reasons we gave for the fund has finally been created, it's not just whether the age should increase or decrease

by two years. accepting that there is no consensus now means that in reality it is everyone's dissatisfaction the problems of the government and i offer my greetings and politeness to your excellency and all honorable people of iran and their epic presence in the 11th march elections . in our constituency , i would like to say hello and politely to the people of khorasan this time, to form a new quorum , and god has the power to respond to the call of the supreme leader of the revolution, and to establish a popular presence with a very high quorum, especially in

our constituency, which has a quorum. 62 percent was set as an indicator in razavi khorasan in a completely passionate and competitive election, for which i have to express my sincere thanks and gratitude for the epic participation of the people at the beginning of my speech. my dear, regarding the subject of the discussion , of course, i absolutely agree about this issue , this is not the case about aging, anyway, we have neither absolute agreement nor absolute opposition, but we need an expert and serious discussion about the dimensions of this. let's raise the issue, what is the issue? the issue is that the budgetary conditions of our country are going down in the past years, the share of salaries and wages will be a higher number in the general budget of the country, we

have an increase in the industrial budget every year , we have a percentage for inflation, 17 pension funds of course, only two of them have laws. the format of this pension funds are in a state of bankruptcy or quasi-bankruptcy, and the conditions of our funds are not favorable. as mentioned, in the past 20 years, the share of the country's budget from the general budget of what the government pays was 4%, and now it has reached 20%. if this trend continues. within the next 3 decades, we should only give 60% of our country's budget to pension funds. this is not a happy event. of course, the way to correct it

is not necessarily to increase the retirement age. it means that we bring the burden and pressure of it only on the labor force of our country. our fund. funds to it is not correct that mr. babaei 's points were very precise points, however, the governments during all these times have a special look at the fund. some of them even had the idea that some of the funds would take the funds under their wing, the funds that don't actually have favorable conditions, now this is a type of housing that has been proposed. anyway, this housing is a housing to save. funds have caused a lot of public and social dissatisfaction. several components should be considered for it. one component: the component is that this should be optional as much as possible. it should be found that it should not be very mandatory

. another point in the decree that came out is that only the component of age and work experience in terms of insurance records has not been seen in this . in the implementation of the same decree that has been made , the funds will definitely face challenges. he was healthy, it was a temporary contract , 10 days a month, his insurance history was rejected for 20 days a month, basically, his work contract 20 years ago , he went bankrupt , he has no consistent insurance records, where are these records summarized, where are they calculated , so the companies are the fund collection. there are many in the implementation to implement the same law that is now in fact the confirmation received will suffer a crisis, that is, you will suffer a computational crisis as you get older. retirement in general, don't you disagree with us, the increase in age should have several components, one of which should be at the beginning of the service, your

employment is a two-way contract, the employer is a worker, even the government as an employer wants to hire workers. sir, you want to be employed by the government, you have age requirements. your retirement is 35 years old, 62 years old, with these criteria, that person can accept or not, but when a person with 20 years of service experience, 15 years, 23 years is an acquired right. he has started a contract with that contract. we cannot say no in the middle of a contract that has been concluded between two parties. we are now completely changing the terms

of our contract. if you don't accept, for example, these conditions will be found for you, this aspect should be optional and before the start of the contract , so you say that if it is optional , it should be before the start of the contract, you don't have a problem before the start of the contract, which i will now mention the reasons and why. mr. babaei, what are the reasons for your opposition? even though you say no, the retirement age should be increased, in your opinion, why shouldn't this happen? look, i thank you, mr. qadeh, he himself said that, in fact , he said that, in the end, this opposition to agreeing to this plan is absolutely meaningless in my opinion. we have a drive. for example, in the social commission this year, we approved the law on transfer of disease records, so

this law must be implemented in order to collect insurance records so that a person who is insured has one fund. whether or not the law on the organization of employees and the government, which is on the agenda in the parliament, should be determined in the whole country, then it should be approved and the employment duties of a direct employee of the administrative department are completely clear. yes, no, a person came to an office today . it is not at all clear at first whether he is a government employee or not. who are you talking to? i have you. who are we talking to with this law? i mean, we have not known our audience yet, we are only looking at one side of the game. when you want to deal with these comprehensive authors in relation to the issue of insurance funds , you want to look at one dimension only and picture the law and say yes or no. in my opinion , there is no version of the version that we can solve the problem of the funds in this section. we have to pass another law, which of course has been discussed in the social commission, the parliament

should cooperate and accompany the government to reduce the government's interference in the funds to zero, that is, even a board meeting with the government's recommendation in the fund. it should not be written that we are the contributions of the funds, insurance contributions, for example, the employers are a statistical sample of the insured, or the workers are the same in the direction of the government. it is like this. it is natural that these parties and social partners of the funds play in the form of our high welfare councils . fund managers should be recommended. we did not get the general opinion of these funds, we are coming to one side overnight in the parliament, and unfortunately, the vote is tied to the vote, and we are strongly against this , in my opinion, one of the things that should be done in the early days of the work. this should come to the negotiation table to start the work of the 12th parliament the government and the parliament should be placed. more than 70-80 components in

the structure of so-called mutual funds. if there is a need for laws, let's attach the laws , if there is a need for non-interference of the governments , make them concrete in reality. if we need the participation of the insurance companies and funds , let's bring them to play and get their opinion, then say yes, now yes or not for a plan that we want to increase the working age by two years or one year or six months . 30, 35 years, 34 years, 30 years , worked for 25 years, let's say overnight, sir dear sir, because the fund is dissatisfied , in the past, how much salary did you give it, now we have the so-called equalization of the rights of the pensioners , the so-called equalization of the rights of the workers and the so-called rights of the pensioners with the workers and even in my opinion

compared to the inflation in the format of article 41 of the labor law or so called. article 96 of the social security law or even retirement funds to other funds , the steel fund, well, all of these are in the middle of the road, that is, in fact, they are in a large majority. we must make a logical decision . my opinion works it is essential that this is why we are against it, and seriously in the 12th parliament, god willing, with the cooperation of all the honorable representatives, we will sit down with the honorable government itself , for the funds of mr. hashemi's new decision , to point out that if it is optional, it should be in the contract from the beginning , you have no problem with increasing the retirement age. do you agree with them? well, yes, look at that , see that, look at that, you should see, on the condition that we have to create an accurate information bank of government employees, with that

, our constitution, the organizer of government employees, we must depict the duties of government employees and government insureds. the private sector and the cooperative sector in the country is a bank we need to have reliable and documented information in the country, then tell him if we do this, then mr. hashemi's order will be correct, it means that we will completely define the supply and demand of power in the next 10 years, in the next 5 years, for the government and for the private sector. we are just entering into negotiations with our new employee, we say, mr. so-and-so, you want to enter the government agency, with this condition, enter the agency, their order is correct. and not that we are creating confusion in the country now , we are not only discussing the government apparatus, we are raising the retirement age for workers, well, it is natural, yes. we are not only talking about government employees , we are talking about the work program including them, it is no different . look now, we are talking about workers. we now have more than

4,200,000 people working in so-called public institutions . the employees who are working in the insurance company are working personally , all the companies and holdings of the prestigious banks of the country, such as bank mellat, bank tejarat kar qanun, they work according to the law. who are working in this space, all of them are in radio and television the busy truth of the labor law, we can't just look at it one more time, we don't have employees or workers here , we are the insured, in fact the one who is insured is the party. the account or contributions of the pension funds should be taken seriously with an expert's view in relation to the funds, the sources of expenses and in fact the coefficient of labor productivity, wages, inflation, various indicators , and then we should say yes and make a decision. new employees who enter the

executive body, our audience is the bodies covered by article 29 of the program law. i am not sociable, mr. dr. babaei, dear to me , well, for a while, i was the vice-chairman and spokesman of the commission socially during these 4 years, i wish these reforms were carried out in the same process that was carried out in the parliament in the specialized commission or the representatives of the commission. in the consolidation of the 7th plan, the community insisted on it . in fact, when this issue is corrected in the consolidation of the plan and the necessary amendments

are made, we are now witnessing how they say that a law that has not reached the maturity required for implementation and faces serious challenges in implementation. well , unfortunately, this happened in the approval process. it did not happen in the area of ​​the 11th parliament and it is among the criticisms that are brought to the 11th parliament, that is, in the process of the specialized commission the social commission, of course, has opposed the consolidation. now, in the consolidation , persuasion must be done, that is, dear dr. babai, anyway, your excellency, as of now , of course, i know that you, the representative member of the social commission, were not present in the consolidation of the seventh program, but of course, the social commission, the chairman of the commission, the spokesperson

of the commission , the members of the commission, should be a jihadist movement like other commissions, because the path is your path, that is , the path of the path of the commission is your specialty. crossing and of course in fact, it could not have been involved in these processes at all. finally, dear dr. babai , what about the discussion of its amendment, because we believe that this law will have problems in its implementation, even the insurance funds cannot implement it properly. unfortunately, in the field of employment and labor administrative laws, we have many laws that have created a lot of financial burdens, such as the hard and harmful law. being from the 80s, in fact, this law has burdened different people , different groups, when you are hard and harmful

, the burden of funds increases day by day. the volume of these discontents increases because only in the year 4002, 331 efforts were actually created and among them, in fact, their cries are forced. they want such a text to be included in the bill in the 7th plan, it is actually due to the housing solution of these issues that have arisen over many years. there are many permanent laws, such as the country's employment law in the field of labor. in the area of ​​even assigning his assignment, for example, he mentioned a note about your being hard and harmful go again and refer to the permanent laws

. let me tell you, all of these will go again, they say, sir , that we are difficult and harmful, that is, a blunderbuss in the field of labor and labor laws and even the administrative employment laws of the country is implemented. i mentioned earlier that we had many work records in different devices in a scattered manner. sometimes we had discussions about the implementation of the law, meaning the employment of retired people , to clear their records in one place so that they can have even longer service. this embarrassment that arises, the law should definitely to be clear and complete, i am sure we should. let's have a common thought and synergy so that, god willing , the labor force in our country will not be hit

, the acquired rights that have been created will not be violated, and in fact, in the context of this discussion, the disagreements that have arisen will tend to be resolved. but you should know this, i am now a servant as a person who has been a member of two parliaments for 6 years. being a budget consolidation commission. it means 4 years in the 11th parliament and 2 years in the 10th parliament. now our share of salary has increased drastically. the share of property acquisition and construction loans is decreasing. right now, the allocations in the provinces mr. babaei himself knows karnai in their mazandaran province. now the allocation of their assets is below 20% of the provincial volume. why? because all the devices do not pay salaries. or the share that is being contributed to the social security itself, to our pension funds , if we go through this process, in the next 5 years, we

will not have anything called a construction budget in the country, which means that all of it must either go to salaries or contributions to funds. in fact , your own bankruptcy in radio and television, now the credits of radio and television organization for your pensioners are coming from the public budget, your own pension fund. the conditions are not favorable, the other devices in that 15 to 16 other funds are the same, so that this route is a specific route. we should not harm our work force in our country and in fact , we should not benefit from an acquired right that has been created. these were the points that i wanted to present to you here. mr. babaei, mr. hashemi says that you yourself are a member of the commission . if you were social, you could have done a better job, at least the law would be more precise and

approved. in the social commission, unfortunately, a number of our colleagues, who were in fact in agreement with us , were serious opponents. well, this social commission has opposed this proposal and has gone to the consolidation commission process. unfortunately, there, according to mr. ghazizadeh hashemi, the atmosphere on our consolidation commission can be changed. a criticism that i have on the ruling assemblies , unfortunately, in tafliq, the views are not really expert views. after all, i myself have first-hand experience of the parliament. in the program consolidation commission, what in the consolidation commission the budget doesn't matter. i myself am a member of the budget consolidation commission this year. a representative goes there and lobbies behind the scenes with some of

idrissa's loved ones. one day, two to 10, 15 permanent laws are damaged by this law. the transfer law, the insurance law, the law that we have, the government employee organizing plan , the service law, let me tell you, the labor law, the law itself , the social security law, has many laws , it takes years , well , we should do this in this law. urgency with priorities that it exists all together, regardless of whether the workers

and the employed employees exist in the government system , it is based on acquired rights . acquired rights cannot be considered. now, who was guilty and who was not guilty ? i have criticism from my dear ones, why did you send the layer at all, well, it is not possible to erase the issue, or say the speaker of the parliament or not a speaker of the parliament , why did you come to insist that this law be approved , well, it cannot be done this way, but after all, the city council is the islamic council. he has gone on his own path , which i hope, god willing, we will use circumstances

which exists and with a defense of the wikia. that the defense of the so-called rights and acquired rights of zain naft people in government institutions and in the private sector institutions, god willing, we are also worried about the situation of the funds, the so-called reason is that there is an imbalance in the funds , mr. dr. ghazizadeh hashemi and everyone experts , i know that the center for apology gave us a brief report to the floor of the majlis, it has given more than 70, 80 cases of errors in komosin, believe me, increasing age. the urgency of the final reasons means that we have to solve more than 70, 80, 75 cases, and discard the final reasons that are the same days. first, we have to meet with someone who is working or has been seen . after all, we have to agree that you have such a situation. as a result of the summary of arazmin, it is really not possible to deal with some permanent laws for superficial reasons. dear ones, you know that i had a role in this year's parliament. he was a member of the social commission.