yes, we saw the report of mohammad elhari's colleagues together . if you are interested in the debate that determines the definition of internet taxis and their commissions , stay with us and watch us on the news channel . thank you. you are a special companion of the higher program. greetings and god bless both guests, i would like to start with mr. taghipour and this question, mr. taghipour, in your opinion , is the online taxi market considered a competitive market or is it a monopoly market, and in your opinion, what you said you are against the entry of the competition council, what is the reason that you say this council should not enter the taxi and internet market, in the name of god rahman al-rahim, i offer my greetings and courtesy to the dear viewers and also to you, the host.

respected, we hope that, god willing, this discussion today will benefit the people and will be effective in solving one of the problems that may be in the minds of some users today, and that is the definition or the rate of online taxis . dear expert , it is worth pointing out that a major part of the internet taxi market today is in the hands of two large companies, perhaps more than ninety percent, and it seems that this is an example of an unnatural monopoly. however, i would like to say that here the competition council itself determines the tariff. it should not

be entered directly, i am referring to the law itself, which foresees the establishment of the competition council , and i emphasize that in any case there is a law in this case and we must act according to the law. article 59 says that the competition council can for the areas that need. they want the regulator to determine a sector and propose its composition. with the approval of the cabinet, the regulator can set the regulations in that area and, of course, define it. there is a part of these regulations, it can be determined by that regulator, while he can give the general frameworks himself, and in this case , i will say in the next discussions that apparently this has happened, which means that you are advised

that this is a it is obvious that in any case, when the market is monopolistic like this, naturally, if this market is not controlled and monitored by the government, users and consumers will definitely suffer, so this monitoring and this control must exist, but i would like to say in your opinion, what is the loss of users? you mentioned that the loss of the users is such that, in any case, assume that now in the traffic congestion situation, a formula has already been determined to calculate the distance. because these factors

have already been included in that calculation formula, so there is no reason for us to add a series of additional factors or simply to add these factors, for example, if the demand there is high, consumers will definitely suffer here , and in a sense, we should be able to protect the rights of consumers. let's provide here and defend it naturally, now there are other things, including that if we want it to be competitive, this market is really like many foreign platforms. here it seems that it is only one-sided. now this formula that is being applied means that only auctions are placed , while many of foreign platforms also have tenders, which means that they can do this at a lower rate, which means that a car can fulfill this order. which

is less likely to accept, but we do not see this possibility and this capability in these domestic platforms . thank you, mr. nakhahi, what do you think ? and naturally , you are here in opposition to mr. taghipour, what is the reason ? yes, in the name of allah , the most merciful , the most merciful. the security of the country's borders, alireza moezen, who two days ago in the borders of south khorasan province. martyrdom of the supreme leader of the revolution, his noble family and all the zealous men of the police force and border guard in south khorasan province and nehbandan city .

you discussed about internet taxis , as mr. taghipour also said, there are two points of view. here, the first point is that if we see internet taxis in competition with other means of transportation, such as metro, line taxis, prt, etc. well, according to the 6% share of internet taxis in tehran, which is actually at its peak in tehran, it may not be a very exclusive space in the country as a tool along with other means of transportation. but there is another point of view, and that is, according to this , what are you doing? they are the intermediary between the passenger and the driver, in a way , in competition with the agencies. if we look at this

space, i believe that it is a completely exclusive space because, as mr. doctor pointed out , their number is limited, and in competition with the agencies, i think that it is a completely exclusive space. the law says that if there was a place for monopoly , it is the task of the competition council to find entry. this is what the law is clear about. my doctor pointed out that the competition council is an institution that is determined by the competition council. the competition council is either directly or itself it doesn't matter what institution the competition council wants to determine anyway, in any case, the issue is this , the issue is that we have a reality called internet taxis in the country, which today is actually part of the cash transportation system in the country, but there is a lot of room for adjustment. there is no policy, they are kind of free, that is , policy regulation according to

the different aspects that these can affect , anyway, we don't see much that there is a precise policy in this area. you can see the different aspects of internet taxis they ca n't be influenced by us, just a one-dimensional look let's have a price for these. anyway, look at the issue of energy or politics, the influence of energy policies in the country by internet taxis is an undeniable fact. from the point of view of economic analysis , it is an undeniable fact. in the discussion of employment and labor needs. there are some considerations in the transportation issue . in fact, there are some considerations. today, we have no shortage of challenges in the field of transportation. in this issue, in the same city of tehran, you can see the terrible traffic that exists and many other challenges that

we face in the transportation system. we are moving to the other side of the country finally, the excessive increase in energy consumption in the country and the imbalance that it has day by day. in my opinion, the attention to internet taxis is increasing. now , whether it expands more or becomes more limited, any policy in this area will definitely affect all these components, and god willing , now in this meeting, we will definitely talk about some of these. we need to talk, mr. taghirpour , do you agree with how much the government should intervene in the field of pricing ? now the competition council should be that working group to determine, yes, see, first of all, i have to say that since internet taxis entered the field of urban transportation

, we must honestly say that there has been a lot of facilitation , that is, now thanks to the technology of this new technology, first of all, because in any case, we in that traditional method of transportation, usually one side was full and one side was full. every trip here was empty, according to the settings that can be made by the platform on the other side, it is almost full, and this means saving energy, time , reducing pollution, and many other issues, so i want to say these things that we should not let's put it aside and we won't put it aside. what we are talking about today is the provision of users' rights and that this new technology, this new method , should be in a way that does not cause aggravation and force and

oblige to accept a fee or a tariff that does not have a framework by now. do not be users. yes, in your opinion, it is like this now. yes, see , it is like this now in some cases, that is, we can say that it was not like this in the beginning, which means that the definitions were low. now, i don't judge things too much, but maybe this was to enter the market , to expand the market, as the famous saying goes, but today, finally, this herd and we have this complaint from the users, which mr. moftah also mentioned, mr. hashemi and mr. hashemi also mentioned. sometimes the rates are really not acceptable rates, and this should definitely have a framework, but i am wide. this is to see this framework at the regulator that has more flexibility. the reason why i am saying

that the competition council alone cannot do this is because these areas are very broad, that is, we have a lot of these areas. i also presented the law to the competition council . it allows to determine a regulation for each of these areas and determine its composition let the regulator do it. this is the difference with the law. i emphasize to the regulator that you should see that the law is rigid, which means that when we make a law , it can remain the same for years with its rigidity and inflexibility in creating the law, the law must be changed, but the regulations are not like this , the regulations are expensive for the regulatory body to make a decision next week and change something to increase or decrease the factor , and there is flexibility in the interaction even with the owners of the platforms themselves, but my opinion is that every the form of regulation and the definition is a part of it is a work of governance, so this is it

the regulator of a section should do this, of course, he can also apply that flexibility and see if he is satisfied or not. of course, with this word , to be honest, i think it is a keyword that may smell political, those who use it. i completely agree with the use of this word. i don't see, if this is the case, then we are now mandated with many things , that is, i will give you an example, you go and poll our dear people, tell us whether you are satisfied with the definitions of information technology communication or not, i think they are very satisfied, this is the reason. this is from the beginning with one the right method means the regulatory body determined in the law. the ministry of communications can do this through the regulatory commission and

the regulatory organization, set the regulations , issue the licenses and determine the definitions, and today i can say this to my dear viewers that one of the most accurate places where the definitions it is observed that this is the field, because everything is available in the network, all the information is saved, even individual citizens can refer to wherever there is a protest and say, sir, this bill that came to me, why is it like this, and why this bandwidth? you say, "i used it" in minutes and seconds. they are told that you used so many minutes at such and such an hour . proper regulation can completely bring confidence and reassurance to our dear people and they can rest assured that their rights are being fulfilled, mr. nakhi, how much you agree with mr. taghi

, you see, we finally have to determine whether we agree with price regulation or not, i think mr. doctor, i did not raise this very clearly anyway, i personally believe that there should be regulation in the first part of my argument , but not a price range. the fact that the regulation is limited to the price , i think this will not solve our problem, although there are many complaints today, that is , there are many complaints and complaints about these internet taxis that are operating in the country. in terms of pricing, sometimes the options that are listed are like, i don't know, i'm in a hurry, and i didn't mention the issues like that, i just mentioned the price range , the tariff is part of the regulation, yes, see. in the discussion of regulation or regulation and

the same point that was mentioned, i want to emphasize again that now apparently my doctor seems to have the same opinion that pricing should be part of this regulation . our investment should be in such a way that we also see other issues in the field of transportation, for example, in the field of intracity transportation, we are facing a problem like traffic , we must see whether the price increase or decrease, now this increase and decrease in price, because finally you will see. the competition council or any regulatory body does not differ when it wants to intervene in the price here or there if you want to reduce the prices or increase the prices, if you reduce it, it will cause dissatisfaction of the driver, if you increase it , it will cause dissatisfaction of the

passenger. which these platforms are receiving now. which is 15% in our country, well, this itself can actually have a series of harms, that's what i'm saying , it's one of the components of price regulation anyway, we have other much more important issues that should be considered alongside it. let's keep one point in mind have internet taxis in this report of the majlis research center, studies that are carried out almost nowhere in the world do not have government support in that way. why? such as the development of transportation, the development of cash transportation based on one passenger and two passengers. in fact, this is one of the reasons for the increase in traffic, one of the reasons for the increase in fuel consumption. it is a competitor for public transport

in the country. yes. we must consider these. look, for example, one of these international platforms like uber is operating in 80 countries of the world, we have a total of 7 million drivers. one of our platforms or one of our platforms in iran has 4 million drivers, this strange development that has happened in this discussion now, many taxis have no motivation to work on the route, all these are coming to the discussion. i would like to say that internet taxis are operating, agencies are practically closed, i want to say that the regulation should be limited to these as well. after all, how far does this growth want to grow? a large part of our urban traffic is due to the daily growth of these. i respect finally , solving part of our troubles in the field of transportation is a matter of one part

in fact, that employment, especially for the workforce that may not have that much skill. some of these, yes, i believe that some measures have been taken and have positive features, so we should be grateful for their efforts, but the regulation here will show its role. ok, let's talk about the pricing. if we look at other aspects of the work, for example , we can see the traffic issue correctly. for example, if you define it in the following way: which still increases and the increasing expansion of these should be more than what it is now, well, we have to see what are its harms , what benefits it can have, what harms it can have, all this should be seen in this space, in my opinion, i am saying that in fact , this regulation should exist

, not the price range, which i believe, if we go to this issue, it will be just a scam. we looked at it, it may cause more problems than it is beneficial for us, this is the reason, mr. taghirpour, how much do you agree that we should go beyond pricing, that is, the governing body of the council. the competition, or that working group, or any other thing that you two nobles are referring to, should come in, for example , i want to control the traffic in your presence , control the size of my company, control the price, and more than what we have now. we talk about it, yes. you see, this issue of internet taxis is definitely a part of our tuition transportation ecosystem. we have to consider all the factors. i agree that when we were serving the dear people of tehran, in the fourth council, i remember that a

strategic plan was prepared for the criticism and urban management of tehran. it was done with a very strong international consultant , whose summary was that we should develop public transportation in such a way that every citizen, whether from his place of residence or from his place of work, when he goes out , can walk to a public vehicle within a maximum of 300 meters. to gain access well, this was a broad strategy and a very clear policy that was determined in that program , naturally, the regulation includes all of this , that is, i want to say that it is definitely not just the tariff, but what will be the ratio of these, it can be seen that in big consumption of energy, pollution of the environment and many other issues that all these are

they can be done with proper regulation, and by the way, that's why i'm stressing that , naturally, the competition council alone can't solve all these problems in different areas, but we can consider a regulation commission specifically for this issue. even now, this has happened to some extent, that is, the ministry of interior and the ministry of the ministry of the tariff issue, and by the competition council, naturally, if this composition of this commission is completed, it means that the urban management, for example, the municipalities , will be added to this, that these considerations or even the environment zeiss and other members do not even mean this to make the bureaucracy more complicated or to increase the number of brokers, but the point is that the decisions that are made are correct and complete decisions that take into account all aspects, including the rights of users, which

have more examples in terms of definition, of course, the rest are the rights of citizens, in any case, we should not allow the environment to become more polluted with the expansion of public transportation, or we should definitely reduce and eliminate the issue of single passengers in our strategies . this is definitely one of the things that, in my opinion , can be achieved with proper regulation. how is that regulation that you are mentioning it because, for example, traffic you mentioned it too. yes, look, i will say that when the city management comes here, naturally , the decisions that are made are related to the rest of the decisions, that is, they can take into account that we are good, that this amount of percentage is of course in that program. as i mentioned, there was this, for example, what percentage should be metro , what percentage should be bus, what percentage can finally be taxi, now it can be of various types

, such as line taxis, dedicated taxis, telephone taxis and agencies, and naturally now taxis internet is also added to this collection all this with the big plan that is determined for city transportation management, which i think the commission can be very effective in managing. here, they do mandatory pricing. some people say that we should come and do mandatory pricing in this situation, which means

we should intervene . which one do you believe in? it is the companies themselves and they do the pricing in any way they know how, what is happening is happening under the pretext of traffic and different excuses. they are charging outrageous prices , they are taking advantage of the people, they are taking advantage of the existing space, there is a need for an institution that, well , now this institution, and then we will reach a common literature with mr. doctor. now i finally have my own opinion, mr. my doctor says that there is a special commission , you don't agree with this, i would like to offer you the city management. the law has given us the responsibility. article 9 of the public transport development law has completely assigned this responsibility to the municipality. dr.

taghipour says that we are in the course. in the fourth council , we started planning this for several years after that time, i really don't know what my friends are doing in the municipality, i mean , what has happened in the past few years, what issues have arisen in the development of public transportation, what are you really doing, we started from the fourth term , yes well, now several years have passed since then , but we still have these challenges. look , mr. n, there are also things that come up, sorry, mr. doctor. all the art of the friends in tehran municipality and in tehran city council is that we should go and start immediately . i don't know. because i saw that this was the issue in your conversation, gentlemen, i say that you should go do your own work, that is , what have you done in the space of city management in all these past years, now there is a reality called internet taxi, which is now a part of that issue of employment.

i have discussed a lot about the price in many other topics. this issue will immediately appear in the heads of these friends, so now we go there, intervene , set prices , do so-and -so. well, i have to be here let me defend sharia management in tehran . see, mr. nakhhi, what you are saying is that because i was in the council during that period , the tehran city council appointed a three-person committee to interact with the government, and as you know , it is 80% of the cost according to the law. the provision of infrastructure in public transport is the responsibility of the government, and the law clearly states that the government must foresee this in the annual budget and

leave it to the city administration to ensure this, so we have a strategic plan for transportation. we compiled it from tehran, it is definitely the right thing to do, that is, at all the alphabet is a case, if it is not there, we should criticize it, and why it was not implemented and your criticism is also correct, but we have to see the factors, the factors are that we had 14 thousand billion tomans at that time, i remember that these numbers have changed a lot now, the demand of tehran municipality it was from the government to develop the public transportation infrastructure , that is, the subways , the new subway lines are the result of that plan, the new bus lines and to what extent it should be developed in which lines and which axes should be developed is the result of that plan, so that plan it was the right thing to do, but it should not have been implemented we have to remove his factors and his hair. yes, this is also true. i think we should go back a bit, that's

what i said. that commission should be made up of government members and the city administration should be in it. in order for them to really sit down and discuss these issues together, they should go to the government and the government board, the board of ministers , to realize that when they make a decision , they do not provide these credits to the city management. it is that our metro lines start working late or the interval between the departures of our metro trains is too much and this congestion is the answer. it is not clear, so all this is in my opinion with that joint collective work, it can really take shape in that commission. i hope mr. doctor can see what you are saying about the commission. the country really does not have a good experience with these commissions. well, the culture is that we do not have a good experience with these councils . we do not have a good experience with the entry of the competition council. when i talk, i mean i simplify, i say

it's competitive, but believe me. it is held regularly once every two weeks , we really have very little work to do, there is almost nothing to be delayed there, and it is from the ministry of housing, the ministry of economy, the budget program organization, that is really, those people who should be a compact and yet efficient group, in my opinion, sit down and make decisions. my result is the same certificates, these are the definitions that, in my opinion, mr. doctor, should be used

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