follow and be interested, be with us , watch us on the news network, thank you , you are a special companion of the higher program, i want to start with mr. shariati and this question, mr. shariat. basically, why are you against the current situation and why do you think that the gasoline subsidy should be allocated to the national code? the first year when we entered the 11th parliament, our country was an exporter of gasoline , today we did nothing, and now our country

is an importer of gasoline. it means that we have to correct our ways in the field of consumption, that is, it is not a one-dimensional issue, but with the conditions we have now, and we have not done anything in those fields, the previous government did not go much for construction and compromise, and we could not compensate for the imbalance in production. we must do something so that if the situation worsens, it will not harm the deprived class. now maybe it has gotten worse, we used to be exporters , we had income, now we are importers , we are importing gasoline from the pockets of all the people. we received from the ministry of welfare that 45 houses in the country do not have even a single car. we are speaking for the general public . this national media of the whole country is watching this program in small towns.

i don't know the villages, different places, just tehran and big cities , don't look. of course, there are houses in tehran that don't have cars, but the real statistics of the country are that our conditions are getting worse day by day in the field of gasoline, and those who don't have any share of the gasoline subsidy are the ones who suffer. in fact, they do not get a quota, this situation is happening to everyone, that is, 4 years ago, all people used public transportation. they have been doing it for 4 years now. gasoline used to be 1500 tomans, for example, now it is 1500 tomans , it means that there is no difference in the conditions, but the situation of consumption, the imbalance of production and consumption has progressed in such a way that the country is budgeting for our imports this year, mr. nakhaei. we approved gasoline and diesel in 1403 , we had no choice in the parliament, so all the people are leaving the gym , we were able to do something in the field of gas and electricity . the incremental system means that

we defined a consumption pattern, we said that 75% of the people are up to we subsidize them according to the pattern, more than the pattern , in an incremental way, whoever consumes more, pay more for gasoline, we can't do this now, because it is not widely distributed, the explanation is not fair, the explanation is not general, we cannot say for all people now, we can only do this for cars. let's say that there are about 50 households in the country. our opinion is that without a price shock, some people accuse us that the existing system is fully capable of giving us a gasoline subsidy. it will be bad for everyone if the conditions have improved, it will be better for everyone. if the price increases, everyone will lose. if it doesn't increase , everyone will lose oil. having a car is not necessarily relative.

we have the decimal system, relatively those who own cars in the higher deciles are relatively more prosperous according to the statistics, so the one who is more prosperous and owns a car will suffer less from the deterioration of his condition, and he will benefit more from the improvement, why should be this way, this is not fair to say 1400 is to tell the current government to correct this method, this is unfair , justice must be established, justice is not equal to equality , this is not the same. it belongs to everyone, everyone can take it. if it hurts me, everyone will suffer. the economy is not the property of a special group . it is not the property of only privileged people in the society . thank you, mr. nakhaei. why do you say that it should not be assigned to the national code? i have the courtesy and respect to serve the noble nation of iran, the viewers.

dear excellency, your esteemed colleagues and mr. dr. shariati, the guest of the program, i would like to inform you that the energy imbalance is a major challenge in our country today, so there is no doubt that we are facing big challenges such as unemployment and inflation and the problems of this this is really one of the achilles heels of our country's economy today , which is the issue of energy imbalance. according to the report of the international energy agency, we have about 100 billion dollars of hidden energy subsidies in the country. it has not only solved the problems of the people we can see that today we are facing this challenge and these problems in the economic field , the broken inflation and the problems that exist in this field, see that our conditions

are not suitable according to the orders of mr. dr. shariati, so there is no idea no , but in my opinion, any policy making that will make the situation worse than this, naturally, we should avoid it, as much as justice is important, and naturally, we should move towards justice. it is an important issue in the statements of the supreme leader of the revolution, and this has been mentioned many times in religious teachings. we are also there, but the discussion the effectiveness of a policy and that the conditions should be compared to the current conditions, in fact , we should not make a policy when the conditions are worse than the current conditions , we should keep these in mind. we are against assigning a national code to people, and

we have our own arguments. now , if you say yes, we have time to say yes . you see, the first point i want to point out in this regard is the discussion. he is not an expert. see, friends, their opinion is that we are in addition to the quota, which is for people with cars anyway it is intended to give all members of the society the national codes of the members of the society, so that the system will be collected , the national code will be assigned to all the members of the society , see here. we are talking about dissatisfaction , and the gap between the production and consumption of gasoline is increasing day by day. this year, we have something like 10 million or more gasoline imported into the country daily. i want the first question that i am asking now. when you

allocate fuel to people's national code , you allocate gasoline to economy, what is the motivation of people there is a person who has a quota to save, so he is using his quota. i can assure you that with this quota that is considered, it is less than what they need. also, the one who does not have a quota, i.e. a car, wants to sell his quota. he is looking to sell his quota. the sooner it is better to sell, the better to sell more. therefore, the first issue here is that we are fueling the increase in gasoline consumption in the society, which means there is no motivation and nothing, in fact, there is no issue that you, as a person in the society, should seek to consume. make it more efficient or consume less, this is the first challenge in reality, let's ask two , that is, three points. first, non-experts do not have the motivation to save, and naturally, it will lead to an increase in gasoline consumption . see, this idea and plan

, which by the way does not include saving , has two effects. look for low-consumption waste and other methods like these, which of course will have a future effect. this will result in 2 events . the first event is justice. it was clear that a share is now given to 55 households, then it will be 100, so it is clear that justice will be established, mr. nakhim . i agree that what will happen next is that when you did this according to the national code, and you did it on people's bank cards, and this is the physics of the fuel card that is now available and can be moved to the place where the chief of staff of kashagh kala barad was in the secretariat of the meeting. he told us that we only discovered 150,000 fuel cards without cars last year. in bandar abbas, this physical card goes, but if it's a share bank card, i can transfer it. no one can take my bank card anymore, that share is in my bank network, this is my spoon. it stops, it means

that it stops physical smuggling, and the next thing is that there is no increase in consumption at all. those who don't have a car can't get gasoline. to consume, naturally, he leaves his share to people in the network. the market that consumes more will be as much as i said. first, we have a quota of, for example, 15 liters for each national code during the month, it will be half a liter per day. we allocate each person to the members of a family, a family of 4 becomes 14, 4 to 15 liters becomes 60 liters, for example , or 20 liters, now the number will be between 15 and 20, not less, not more, what is the difference between numbers and figures, today we have 120 million liters of gasoline our consumption is almost average now, almost 50% of gasoline is 1,500 tons, 50% of gasoline is 3,000 i wonder what will happen with this idea if we want to give an additional quota to households that don't have a car. from the quota of 3,000 tomans that the government is offering, which

is approximately 60 million liters, about 20,000,000 liters per day are distributed among these families. up to a third of it is about 20 million liters for 40 million people . you can calculate 20 and a half liters per day. half a liter per person is 40 million . this is 20 to 20 million liters per day. 20 of those moves this quota will be 3,000 tomans . a share of 1,500 tomans will be available to these households. what is the financial effect? ​​the financial effect is that instead of selling these 20 million liters by itself, the government gave a new non-cash subsidy to the people. the people that you sell today from the value of 1,500 tomans to 3,000 tomans . is today 1,500 tomans the same in 10 years? mr. nakhaei assures us that no government will increase the price of gasoline in the next 10 years or 15 years. dad, it is not possible at all, this is not possible , i mean, if we have any decision, we will make it

let's make a decision that the infrastructure will be fair. if one day in 10 years a government comes and increases the price of gasoline , it will not harm them. he uses the subway, he uses the bus, he uses a taxi , the same internet taxis like these, depending on his financial ability, so when the prices increase , who loses more? because the price increase that occurs above the model is 75% to 80% share in the public market his subsidy is extra, like gas and electricity , it makes him a celebrity, the one who consumes a lot, the one with whom you talked a lot, like gas, for example , he has a home swimming pool, they should not do this again or pay for it, mr. nane, you see, i still

got the answers to your questions, yes, no. you see, i still believe that there is no incentive to save gasoline in this plan, that means there is no more saving . yes, the issue is that we are now facing an imbalance . we are looking for another solution. it is not fair, mr. shariati. gasoline that is needed let me tell you, people who live in villages in less privileged areas of the country, by the way , they have less access to the public transportation network, which means they need more gasoline. if we are looking for justice, this is not justice. we did the same thing in the past, that is, we came and subsidized the price. in the eyes of these poor and

less privileged people, the weak people of the society are gone , don't doubt that when you want to implement such a plan, after all, you, my gasoline, gasoline will become cash, it will not make any difference. actually tour. there will be an expectation in the society. how do you want to manage this? after all, this is an important issue. when the price does not change , you put one rial in people's pockets. how many times it will be taken out of people's pockets? we have experienced it in the past. don't doubt that this issue is completely it is inflationary and by the way it is to the detriment of low income people in the society . you are in society i have gasoline

, i want 20 liters for 1,500 tomans, for example, i will sell it for 3 thousand tomans . now, if everyone in the community wants to sell 20 liters of gasoline , it will cost 30,000 tomans. after all, these 30,000 tomans will definitely have an effect on different products. this is what after all, we have seen from experience in the past and it will definitely happen, an inflation of expectation that arises in the original society. it will cover all goods and we have 30,000 tomans for each person . that the price will not change now. assuming that the price does not change, this will happen. this is another issue. the second issue is mr. shariati's bringing up the issue of smuggling. the fact is, you see, i myself worked in the border areas. by the way, i also worked in the same area, assuming that this is effective. i believe that it is not enforceable. now i will tell you the reasons. later

, assuming that this is enforceable, you want to put the quota on people's bank cards , for example, say, sir, assuming that this is enforceable, as i said, i believe that this is not enforceable, even if a such an atmosphere should be created, the system let me say for the sake of exchange that the fuel quotas, well, look at these fuel quotas, don't doubt it. do you remember that a large part of this will be sent to the border areas of the country ? do you remember that there was a meeting at the commission or one of these think tanks ? it was at the majlis research center. they came from these think tanks and introduced the plan. it was similar to this plan. almost like two or three other

plans have been proposed, and now many meetings have been held. it was brought up in the commission. i was there. i raised my argument and said that how do you have confidence that this will stop fuel smuggling . by the way, i don't really have an answer to this issue. it is not that the bank card is transferred anywhere, by the way, now the fuel card is transferred, which may have some changes. here, you have a system space, a space, in fact , you have an exchange, these quotas are sent to the regions.

it just continued in the wrong continuity, otherwise you can see the statistics there. consumption trends, because at that time i increased the price, now the price increase should not be found. at that time, it was rationed with the price increase . by the way, it suddenly broke the slope of the increase in the country 's consumption and pushed the trends forward, and practically the country became self-sufficient in the production of gasoline. he should do this, which was a different issue altogether, that was the issue of raising the price and giving the money to the people in cash. the problem with that plan was that in the continuation of the hafandi law

, the share of the 30% and 40% and the shares that should be allocated to the production area and these are all cash subsidies and the mistake was made in the implementation making a mistake was a very important principle , and a very careful work was done. of course, the good thing about that plan was that each and every person was talked to, and everyone came together and the work happened, but what i said, the government is selling now . people say that inflation is just a change in share, nothing happens after saying that it is not enforceable . by the way, the most important logicians say that the most important reason for something to be enforceable is that it has been implemented once. performed. this technical infrastructure has been implemented in kish and qeshm, and all those who are responsible for this story say that it has worked from a technical point of view, that is, the system. the market gave an answer, what stopped the work , the concept of the work, the concept of the work was executed incorrectly, by the way , what mr. naghaei said is that both giving to the car and giving to the person is wrong.

you gave and brought the quota first to another city that could be implemented, even if it was a long distance , you performed in tehran, you performed in isfahan , you performed in zanjan. of course, in a certain period, who is the buyer and who is the seller can be adjusted . it was conceptually not successful, but technically it was completely successful. all those who agree what is against this plan? everyone says that this plan was technically successful there, so it was implemented. the most important reason for me is how the quota can be sent in the system, but it cannot be sent in physics . it will definitely be taken away. when the government becomes a policy maker, i will say that the system is in authority of the government, the government, the policy maker , the regulator. it says that each national code cannot buy more than, for example, 200 liters per month. it means that the person who wants to smuggle must go to dozens of people and coordinate their national codes in the system . he says let's check who has the camera and where where did the shot go? i don't know where that nissan went . it is being physically controlled by the government. then it becomes a system and it becomes clear

how much gasoline i bought this month . how much did you buy in their system ? i cannot buy more than 202. i don't have hoarding, summarizing, and selling . then, if i want to sell, i have to sell from the system . it can be returned. from that side, the government can regulate, saying that i will clear all the remaining quotas once a week or two weeks or once a month . it is possible that this did not happen, that is, if i do not have a car, i did not ask for a quota i didn't give it to anyone , i didn't give it, i didn't sell it, i didn't use it, at the end of the month, my share is cleared in the market for me at the daily price , it comes to my account. in the border region , it has no share in public transport, but it is going from the public pocket of the country, the budget of all the people, and it is also going from his pocket to import gasoline. let 's understand this first, friends, do we have gasoline , do we give it or not? zero domestic gasoline. assume that the price of domestic gasoline

is zero. some people say that it is zero. let's assume that it is zero. 10%, as mr. nagai said, 10% is 4,000 tomans, which means that the current price of gasoline for the general public is 400 tomans per liter . whose pocket is it going to be? the deprived person and the old man who is sitting in that village has neither a share of transportation nor a share of subsidy. it is strange that he is going for whom. he is driving around in tehran . he has 5 cars. i have statistics and i will tell you that here are people who they have 100 cars in their name , they charge 1,500 tomans worth of gasoline, nearly 20% of the buyers they are looking at the country's cars in the eyes of either keeping them as capital goods or using the gasoline and selling it to your car . gasoline is being sold in sistan baluchistan and it is being exported. the non-existence and smuggling that he said has no effect, we have other reasons , mr. bazand, in my opinion, this plan is not very feasible, contrary to what

is being proposed, see, we want to involve 85 million to 90 million iranians in the gasoline quota , friends say that we will come. let's design a system in this system, there is the possibility of exchange , well, finally, all the members of society have access to the system, internet and space. i don't know , they don't have it like that. after all , it creates confusion and confusion in the society . what does it mean that we create parallel exchange markets in the country? that is, many people who do not have the possibility of these accesses should express their quotas by hand and stand next to the stands . from these kinds of policies, even if we accept that it is a system it can be designed, it means that it was a system at all, and i don't know if we 90 million iranians in rome could finally organize such a system, and these

are the foundations of the fuel station , what was implemented in qeshm and kishm, yes technically. it is possible that what was implemented there was exactly that you can use a bank card at gas stations, which of course, you saw later , defense did not approve it, that is, the baking company. he actually designed a system. right now, we are talking to each other, but still the regulatory organizations have not approved it in the supreme council of national amit. all of the approvals are part of the broadcasting company. no, i was in the meeting. well, look at the other gentlemen. the gentlemen themselves came to the energy commission and said that the non-operating defense organization has not yet given us approval . these problems happened to him, where did this happen, most of the comments. you know that from the same banking portal, one of the smart fuel system has a banking portal, those pay stations or those electronic payments that happen to pay money at the station

are connected, not a link from this. by the way, the attack that happened to the bank, from the events there, why didn't they attack the bank, if it was from the bank, why did they attack it, which would have been better, where they disrupted the entire network of the bank melto disturbance. go towards this , it requires you to finally use the bank card system , the bank card system despite the fact that the refining and distribution company has made efforts for this issue, but

approved by the military organizations. you should use it, after all, these are issues that if you take it to the banking platform, the online system will definitely question the implementation of the plan. that we can have a system to involve 90 million iranians in this issue. let's create a lot of chaos and confusion in the society, then it has to be in the positions, which is not , well, that's another problem. yes, it's very easy to chant slogans. it's very easy to chant slogans. it 's very easy to raise many issues. he talked about justice. he also brought up some very beautiful issues, but i have to see if there is a basis for it at all and what are the effects of its inflation in the society. finally, we have to consider these things. i think we have already.

it is important to address these issues there is another one in the field of gasoline that we should pay attention to . there are many non-price policies in the country that are still pending . unfortunately, my solution is clear. we want to talk about the gasoline imbalance. keep your alternative solutions because time is up. i will ask mr. shariti. mr. shariti, mr. nakhir's answer, please see. now, of course, my main question to mr. naga is what you want, tell me what is your solution. now , day by day , as we face this class gap and injustice, the deprived classes are increasing, and those who do not have a car are suffering the most. those who cars are making more profit or less loss because no one is making a profit, the economy is not profitable for anyone , we have to say this solution . yes, let 's go and build a refinery. there is no doubt, but what

is our solution for today? if this is wrong, but this is an executive issue, some people can do it with the subsidy system and computers and others , those who want to express their desire in the market will announce their readiness the rest of the weekend that i mentioned or the end of the month. the schedule made by the government is settled , it is put into their account at the daily price, the one who does not have a car, does not have a quota , he benefits . where do you get the money from? if someone does not go to the system, he will lose his money.

120 to almost 50% of gasoline, 150 is explained. 50% of gasoline is 3 thousand tomans, the share that is needed in order for this quota to be given to cars, in addition to cars, to those who do not have cars, to families without cars, this is about 20 million liters per day. because about 40 million 45% of the population is about 40 million people . now it's up to 40 million. look at the percentage. this 40 million will be half a liter a day, 15 a month, another half a liter a day will be 40. it has changed. previously , you used to use your card, you would post or give cash, now you use this system , you pay the number of your bread, you get your bread, what month was it implemented, when did the bank implement it, why don't we mention the women's system now? let's not worry, let's count by hand, for fear that the enemy will attack, we must

strengthen ourselves. the broadcasting system has been hacked three times so far it happened last time, we couldn't be promised this happened, but it happened again, by the way, i want to say that we should go to solve these issues , for example, the country's banking network has 10 to 15 banks , if you explain this to the bank, the possibility of hacking the entire network it will be destroyed at the same time, but you use the monopoly system, a system, a company that has monopolized this system is doing this in the distribution field , and the penetration happens from there. i see. it is also being attacked by bank mellat, national bank, and various banks in the country they are defending the system, they are controlling the system, they are preventing it in advance , this is what i am talking about. now, the main issue is when we can make the system intelligent. the fear that they might attack the mitringo system and not be smart. this is not an expert's words. in my opinion , the network should definitely be.