please watch us on the news channel . thank you . you are with the debate above. allow me to start with mr. ghazizadeh and this question, which is basically your opposition to the payment of subsidies to consumers . where does it come from in the name of allah, the most merciful, i offer greetings and politeness to your excellency, all the dear viewers, the good people of iran and the viewers of this program and our dear colleague and friend , mr. dr. abbasi. we have to start the discussion with a little more substance so that later, god willing , we can reach a good result. look . since the discussion of passing the purposeful law

subsidies were established in 1989 with a specific goal. at that time, special resources were created from the sources of income to eliminate subsidies. a system was created to allocate them. a share was set for direct subsidies , part of which was for the low-income deciles of the society . . vulnerable sections of our loved ones who are covered by imam relief committee and welfare organization. part of it was decided to come for the production sector subsidy, drug sector subsidy, support for the agricultural sector and support for the vulnerable groups in a process of implementing the targeting law every year. it came in the comments

the budget showed itself, known as note 14, which , well, we had numbers ranging from 100 to 260 to 650. the subsidies that come in different formats were actually explained, and the source of income in the table of note 14 was also clear: domestic sales of fuel. and it was energy, it was our gas export, it was our gas condensate export , it was our products, it was our export, it was our energy sector, whether it was domestic sales sources or foreign sales sources, it was aggregated, and in the form of the table of sources of income, note 14, it showed its expenses, actually every year. with the same conditions , it was written that the government should come over time and this debate about the targeting of subsidies

is being settled, which means that the low-income strata of the society and the high-income strata of the society would have received less subsidy. well, for those high income deciles, we had annual decrees that the top three income deciles should be removed, but this happened during the performance of the governments did not actually fall. if you remember, they once declared that they voluntarily removed their subsidies . well, maybe that number was not the majority, it was a small percentage. after that, they said that , based on the data related to the public financial information of the person, their subsidies would actually be removed. but now, a major part of our country receives subsidies, and this subsidy is actually being saved.

the rise of the rial is due to the increase in the inflation rate that we had every year, the huge jump in the exchange rate, when the law on targeting subsidies was implemented in 2089 , the price of the dollar was 1,200 tomans, 1,150, 1,200 tomans , what is the price of the dollar in the market at that time, the 450 subsidy actually started the value of the subsidy is proportional to that now in the format. recently, the livelihood plans of fajran, the different areas of support that the government is doing , were not proportional, the fuel price was actually proportional, that is, the government came to the field of fuel price with a hidden subsidy. gave well, the fuel price did not increase proportionately in that situation, but the exchange rate was increased as a compensation, in fact, the land rate was more than 50 times higher.

it increased in 2002 until now, when we are 1402. these imbalances, these disharmonies , this. in fact, the situation has caused more economic pressure on the weaker sections of the society, and the amount of benefit from the subsidy for the stronger sections of the society has increased, and the hidden subsidy that we only have now in the field of energy, in the field of fuel, in the field of gas, and in the production sector, is more than 100 billion dollars per year , and you can't do what policy now go ahead and say that i want to remove all hidden subsidies, bring all of these, actually affect the cash subsidy, the effect of inflation, what will happen, the effect of inflation, who can guarantee that

a policy was implemented in this parliament , we are discussing in the discussions of mr. abbasi, you agree to pay the subsidy in the name of allah , the most merciful, the most merciful. i offer my greetings, courtesy and respect to the noble nation of iran, my dear colleague , dr. ghazizadeh, and the host of the program , god willing, we can have a good discussion . first of all, i thank the noble nation of iran. because of their informed and timely participation in the 12th election in this period of the islamic council, many of the plans drawn by the enemies were thwarted by this conscious and timely presence. regarding the question you asked, i will start the discussion from here. when we say that the subsidies are targeted, it means that we have a series of subsidies apparently, these subsidies

have not reached the goal they should reach, we want to make it targeted, so we are looking for these subsidies to spread to the target groups, to the target target that we have, so to speak, when we look, we see that in for many years these subsidies have been paid as they should and maybe that justice has not been done in this payment. see , this year in the 1403 budget , we have approved 15 billion dollars for only basic goods. let's take it if we take it with a width of 28 and a half, the difference that happens with 420 will be 75 thousand billion tomans, with the 28 and a half that is today, it will be about

300 thousand billion tomans . we have billions of dollars, a major part of which we give to our livestock inputs, for example, livestock inputs it can be done in two halves. look at the million tons of chicken produced in your country. now, if all the aspects are observed, all these things will happen . the percentage of 10 months compared to the percentage of one month is the per capita consumption of chicken . in some places, this difference reaches 4 to 5 times, which means that we are at the top of our percentage which is the highest-earning so-called decile of the society , we have several times more subsidies than the lower decile . this is a part if we are looking for social justice. social justice means that these resources that we have should be explained to all people and sometimes some issues may be raised. informed people don't worry, this discussion is an expert discussion, we are friends with mr. ghazizadeh

, we are friends, we have no differences of opinion on the so-called issues, but in this part, it is for us to come and do a journalistic work. according to this, based on these bipolarities, in a way that has not been explained , in the way that we, the elected people, i want to say to you, no, no, i have said it before, during the elections, for example, two weeks, three weeks, one month ago, this issue was raised a lot in different circles, so

let's see what our goal is. our goal is that our production should be a sustainable production, our people had access to these goods at a reasonable price. the goal of this is no longer for us to come and give the subsidy so that our producer is unhappy and our consumer is also unhappy. you should go and take a survey to see how many of the so-called people. from this type of subsidy payment that exists now, which is now combined , how much do you agree or disagree, but some people who may have interests in the middle and those interests are hidden, maybe you and i do not know those interests, there are hidden interests at all. there are those who want this to happen, god willing, now continue the discussion we will pay him more . we are subsidizing the first part of the chain, in the middle of the chain we are subsidizing the consumer, we are paying in some way

. like the previous discussion when i came to your service, we cannot say that we are neither in absolute agreement nor in absolute opposition, we have a mixed discussion. economic conditions of the country we and our society are not in a position to say that because each of these has its own equipment and its steps, you may not have all the steps . in fact, we are saying that the subsidy should hit the target. he himself means to sit at that point of his goal, and you

will see that effect on people. this effect must be an objective and tangible effect. but why is such a thing not tangible? because we have applied economic policies sometimes, these policies are appropriate on the other hand, our loved ones were thinking in think tanks in the areas of thinking, but with our market , it gave a different message and signal, basically , our economic data comes to the bottom of the market, other things happen now, why are people so dependent on economic news more than when, for example, four experts express their opinions, they say, "we are going to see the economic news in the market. what is happening in the fruit fields, in the day markets, i will tell you." let's see what's going on at the bottom of the society, because the economic situation there actually shows itself, not

that we say, for example, in four closed rooms. we want to implement this economic policy , people, listen to it and implement it. our country's economy is based on the people's foundation , which is different from even other economic models . 420 well, in this field of jihad and agriculture, you saw that it was decided to be 420, 28 and 500 in many places. well , right now, we have several types of land rates . we have 28 and 500. we have 40 tomans. we have 41. we have a calculated ats rate of 2%. for example, the government says that we have 2% below the daily market price or free market currency, and interestingly, we also have 42 currencies. well, you delete the width of four and 20t28 and 500d of the second hall, then this second hall

, the ats rate is 2 %. you have at least four or five land rates . look between each of these. or how much you produce from another currency. you have court cases, the same events that happened in the agricultural jihad itself, well, anyway, how many people are now being accused, maybe the cases that want to be handled, with this situation in the currency field , we will have such cases in 10 to 15 years, why? these files should be produced mainly because the existence of a round space is a role that we really have to play as basic decisions in the parliament

. we need to eliminate these differences in order to eliminate these differences. we need transparency in the economic field. feed factory feed poultry feed unit. the animal husbandry unit of our industrial factories, our production department, even our supply of necessities that require different areas from raw materials to the final chain. does this transparency exist, from the first ring to the last ring, then it comes in the field of our market, the market now has many benefits from this subsidy field in fact, wholesalers and retailers , now we don't want to use the expression of brokers, wholesalers and retailers are actually buying it, which means that a part of this field of support

comes to this sector of mediation, to this sector of mediation, and they in fact, you have income interests. it is the same, it was decided that it will be 28 and 500. you have given enough amount of livestock to be explained. are our farmers satisfied with the explanation of livestock inputs? does it reach our rancher? was the livestock card that was supposed to be implemented for our livestock farmers implemented correctly? did all of them get the amount of the real facility? maybe in one in the period of 3 months to 6 months, some good things happened , but again a trend was stopped, that is, a

subsidy policy was implemented for 3 months. 800 tomans, this is the effect of that policy applied in 3 years. the profession , which shows the effect of its position in proportion, now you are putting pressure on the weak sections, now i want to present this as a subsidy policy, now what should we do, we have a proposal for that too, now , god willing, you will give it to us. mr. abbasi mentioned it next mr. ghazizadeh pointed out that we didn't want to pay the subsidy at the beginning of the chain when we lost it, pointing out that there are some problems now. naturally, the goal was that what you believe would happen to the final consumer, but it didn't happen. you keep saying how should the government pay a subsidy anyway, how should it do this while answering the point that mr. ghazizadeh mentioned. i would like to share something with you, that we

have a total of 20,000 hectares of soybean cultivation in our country, 20,000 hectares of each crop, which means that we have the entire domestic production in relation to with 40,000 tons of soybeans , how much do we need? between 3 and 4 million tons, we paid 420 for all imported soybeans in our country, now we paid 285, and the government has announced that you should supply this at a price of, for example, 21,000 tomans in the system. go to the market of our so-called producers and see if our poultry farmers can supply soybeans at the price of 21,000 tomans or not or what percentage they can supply. see here the problem is that we brought all of them with a preferential width. where is the problem ? the problem is that some people in the middle are looking for your turmoil

they are in the market and they can use them in talatome . for example, consider that today's land needs soybeans. when soybeans are not supplied , he has to go to the open market to buy in the open market. is the open market open market the price of 21,000 tomans ? no, when they tell him that this is from in the past, he has to go to the open market, which is not available at the price of 21,000 tomans, but it is sold at the price of 37 tomans. i mean, this is the way it is, a broker, an intermediary, a rentier , something happens, because the free price market affects the economy, never with a price . the purpose of this is for there to be full supervision , not for us to come and

create a profit margin, a rent, and a monopoly for a certain collection, and then say why the problem arose. the problem will be solved if we proceed properly, but on the condition that we solve this problem so to speak. my opinion is that we can provide our final consumer with the same social justice that i mentioned. even more , we wanted to change my tithe. we should say that sir , the tithe with low income should be given even more , and the tithe with high income should be paid less, not the other way around like it is now. yes , but there must be monitoring devices. if we should have these supervisions, i said my clear opinion before and i will say it now. if we have zero to 100 full supervision, the best style of product support. giving this the subsidy is for the producer , but because this supervision is not correct and it does not happen properly, we have to correct it and give it to the final consumer, because those parts are the answer

, the manufacturer, the importer, will not get a subsidy, the final cost should come here, let's give it to the consumer because of supervision. we don't have, if our supervision is strong, to the final consumer and the importer at the full price. yes , supervision if you do, yes to the importer. but supervision let's get it to our consumers at the price we want, but it doesn't arrive today, that means we are also paying the subsidy. surely, the whole country will suffer, mr. hashemi, you believe this now, that is, if you are the decision-maker in the 12th parliament , change the law or ask the government to make these changes, now you believe that this subsidy from importer from

the producer should be removed and it will reach the people who need it, or should we continue with this current situation, or should we make the supervision stronger, let it be in the hands of the producer and importer, the reality of our experience is that the supervision has never been strong supervision. i will give a concrete example. but about bread , well, many countries in the world are subsidizing bread , that is, bread and milk are subsidized even in europe now. it is only bread, not cakes, cookies, pastries, and macaroni, and how directly, bread and milk. and only the milk itself, not the dairy products, i.e. these two goods are low, which are almost in the format of the countries of the world, according to my work and service experience, i would like to tell you that in many countries of the world, only two products

, bread and milk , are fully subsidized by the government, and neither are the governments. specifically, my question is, for example , no value added tax for them , they get a full subsidy in the form of a support rate. the factor is that they are buying, in fact, it means that the purchase of support by the people for bread is formed. for wheat, this debate is established now. for the people or for their producers, yes , for their people or for their producers, its benefits. it goes to their people by buying support from their producers, like buying the guarantee that we have about wheat in our country, well, this purchase is support for the people. do you see the discussion of flour? is there real monitoring of our bakeries? why are we in this situation now?

can you put two control officers on each bread? can you just use your system, i will tell you about the executive discussions. well, in the case of bread, we need a support. let's use it in general means these differences , if the government comes to apply a general support in the field of bread, it can say, "i am from bread and milk in the form of in general, i give full support, i make supportive purchases , but regarding many other issues, our systems must be transparent, the experiences of the world , we now have a law. our problem lies in the implementation. the root of our problems lies in the implementation

. if there is financial transparency, all the stores in our country should be registered from the shop that sells a bottle of mineral water at zero point of our border. i came to ghazizadeh and bought a bottle of mineral water from zero border. should be given in our information systems, cards our bank, the amount of our purchase, its connection to our store system, our store to the tax payer system, and after that, in fact, the discussion of the law of the commercial society that we have, the system of the law of the commercial society, that is, the compatibility of the systems. then, regarding the compatibility of the systems, we now have the decimals.

if we want to make a fundamental solution , the implementation of the law is that we first match the data of all iranians . the household and all the components of the household should come and tell me, sir, the income basket and sources of income what is the family, in what category is it placed , is it subject to support or not, then come and show this effect in your bank purchase and money card, and in fact, your own bank card and bank account, and go to the last store terminal. match it, if this

chain, which of course in our country, it has been said, sir , we have problems in the field of information technology, we must complete this chain. get a higher support rate so you believe it's the end of the chain. with condition that we are this chain, yes, that one, actually , that chicken for that tithe, it's okay now, the issue of electronic goods, no , what is this government doing now? it's not complete, i don't know who it is now.

what is the real tithe, what is the source of income , is it subject to this support absolutely or not? the problem lies in the previous preparations and layers . we have always come to solve the problem . let's let the importer pay his own rent let him use it, if those things happen , now we have this blue washing environment, the same conditions as you can see now, and how it is, the free market follows its own price, it comes with its own price , whether it's chicken, meat, or anything else, mr. abbasi, yes, look at me i would like to re-emphasize the previous issue, now mr. hashemi is almost of the same opinion with you, no , we are against it, we have registered it, we have registered it since the beginning , no, we have an expert discussion, we

do not agree, we do not agree, but we should actually go and talk about this issue. how can we provide the best service to the people with the same view of social justice as from your opinion was that the first part of the chain or the entire chain should not be paid, but it should reach the consumer . see the financial transparency of the input and output in the system . let me tell you that our goal is to support the product and support the consumer simultaneously. it was a good thing that the agricultural commission and the friends of the parliament scene helped to approve the reform of the agricultural products pricing council . see, i will show you an example in this section. we used to give a quarter price for wheat and we bought wheat from, for example, argentina, from ukraine. we used to buy from russia, now we go to places like australia

we bought the price is 300 dollars per ton. well, when we buy 300 dollars per ton, when our manager calculates this , the price will be 1200 tomans. it is foreign to him, production is destroyed here, what happened, we felt that in the last year of the government, in the last year of our previous government, the production was bad. we entered it, but with this correction we made, we said, sir, you want to make this purchase, so to speak, the purchase must be at the real price, see the global price, see the domestic price. look at my inflation, all this and the price reached to, for example , a price that was equivalent to the foreign price and support our production here .