we are at your service with another higher program. the basis and origin of transformation in the country is elections. this is the emphasis of the leader of the islamic revolution for various political, economic and cultural views that, according to him, lead to transformation. with the beginning, pre -registration and registration of the elections of the islamic council and the election campaign, radio and television in advertising films. the candidates of this election asked them whether they agree or disagree with the proportionality of elections in the country. there are both agree and disagree on this issue among the members of the islamic council, as today in a debate on this issue we will sit down to discuss. please stay with us. iran's honorable coach. telegram channel

is playing with the whole country, why is it that you are pricing this month? your question is an interesting question . you are a football player's board of directors. we don't want any kind of treatment . well, at the very beginning, i would like to introduce to you the honorable guests whom i am serving today. mr. kazemi, the member of the parliament , we are at your service as the opponent of this plan, and mr. dr. jafar qadri , the member of the parliament, is in favor and the designer of the proportionality plan. the islamic council elections in the country , well, now that the elections are over and

the people's elected representatives in the islamic council have been determined , there is a discussion about the type of representatives to be selected by both the people and the political groups. some believe that these elections should be proportional. it should be held and some are against this plan. supporters of the proportionality of elections believe that this plan is closer to justice. minorities can also have representatives in the islamic council and allocate seats to their own chosen people, but the opponents raise issues. they do in the sense that it might not be applicable at all because we don't have any discrimination in our country and the parties don't have the presence in the political arena as they should, and now let's start this

debate from mr. qadri. we will start with people who are older, but it seems that both nobles are the same age today, but considering that you are the designer of this plan and the initial idea of ​​this plan was proposed by you in the 11th parliament , why should mr. qadri go towards proportionality at all? let's go to the elections in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful. greetings i am at the service of dear and respected viewers and would like to thank sed and vasima for discussing this issue . thank you. i would like to inform you of the widespread participation of the people in the elections of the 12th term of the islamic council that the discussion of reforming the electoral system was raised from the fifth, sixth and seventh parliaments. eighth, three plans have been proposed at the same time, one is to strengthen other parties in the election system, to change constituencies from sub-district to main or from city to province, and

the other is to strengthen the so-called party currents and or handing over part of the powers of the majlis to the shuras, which is because the majlis was focused on the provincial majority electoral system, so it was clear right there that the provincial majority does not make the situation better , but worsens the situation , so why mr. everyone should vote for the same party, the opposite party should not have any representatives at all, so from that time this issue was raised as a concern . we raised the truth of the provincial-city proportional system in the 10th parliament in the commission the thing that caused the council was my plan and it went and... it also passed the image of the parliament, but

there were some flaws and problems in the cut, the reason was that they added some changes that were not accepted by the guardian council, it was also logical because it ruined it. being the plan and finally in the 11th parliament. i had four proposals for reforming the electoral system, one for the parliament, one for the presidency, and one for the councils. there were two proposals in the parliament. and the other was that we come to the same provincial proportional system let's have a city that, well, we saw that these pools have two or more representatives, and then we went to the direction of maybe two less, to go to four representatives or more, so to speak. it included the five constituencies of shiraz, isfahan, tabriz, mashhad, and tehran. finally, it came to the voting age , we were not short-changed, and finally, for the tehran constituency, we said that this plan should be followed on a trial basis . fortunately, the guardian council approved

the suspension of supervision because it was accompanied by amendments to the law. it was an election because some of the members were against this plan regarding the general amendment of the election law. objection and finally the return of the parliament the consensus of the parliament was that if we want to bring these amendments to the election law to this period , we must separate this plan, and finally, anyway , this plan was separated, of course, it went to the assembly and did not vote . we held several meetings with the zail working group of the defense political commission of the expediency assessment group to address 32 ambiguities that they had raised. we gave an answer to the case , we prepared the plan to be presented in the defense political commission and then in the recognition assembly, but it was too late and we insisted that in the parliament again separately , the opinion of the honorable chairman of the parliament and some friends was that if we

bring this up now, the opposing currents may think that if we go towards this plan now , we are worried about the future of our own election, so maybe in this opportunity it is not advisable to come up with this plan, but now is a very good opportunity for us to re-introduce this plan from the very beginning or in the last days of the 11th parliament or, god willing, at the beginning of the work of the 12th parliament. look , the proportional election system plan is a plan that we lived with them, general and special sami companies in fact, this is what we are saying. everyone has a seat according to the amount of their capital. out of the 5 management memberships , a seat is allocated to them in proportion to their share in the capital. in the parliament, this is exactly the same for each gentleman and the flow is proportional to the exact weight of the vote that he has. giving independent people not only their rights are not violated, but their rights are protected has a lot of advantages, but

what exactly is the current system that we have now, maybe it is becoming obsolete in most countries of the world, now 15 countries out of 195 countries in the world have a proportional electoral system. the majority has a representative and the amount it greatly increases the participation, thank you very much, mr. qadir , mr. kazami, please tell me what is the main objection that you are actually opposing this plan to the sexualization of elections . dear viewers who are watching your program, thank you for the wide and intelligent participation of the people in the elections of the 12th term of the islamic council

. bringing in the parliament , we face two electoral systems, one system proportionality of a majority system, we cannot establish a law in the country and divide the society into two parts , a part of the society with a law and a proportional state and a part of the society with a majority state, for example , we have the principle 64 of the constitution which emphasizes human factors. it is political -geographic, which means it takes into account all the factors, the country's geography , the country's political sphere, the country's human sphere, that is , a law should include all of these, article 88 of the constitution

, the dual electoral system in the country will cause problems in the country if we can to prepare for this means that we will expand the country's party system let's let the people become members of the parties at the level of the country , then the party can be considered as a party weight in the society. he calculated that, for example, a party with a name with a certain number of people will come and give it a share when people register in the party and the share of the party and the weight of the party in the country will be known. then the people who vote and the weight and share of this party will be known. they vote that this is a serious discussion, we must keep this in mind, one of them is to increase the number of places and countries where our friends are. they pay attention to the structure based on the party system in the country

. let's make the country provincial and cover the whole country . now, cities like tehran and cities with more than four representatives can benefit from this proportional system. in my opinion, this is a flaw in this law, and our friends, if we want a proportional system in the country. let's implement it and make it a law. it should cover the whole country . we should definitely institutionalize the parties. people should be members of the parties. the weight of each party in the country should be clear. besides, there is another problem that you are voting for the party and the party list of people with characteristics. khas is not personally a member of any of these two or three leading parties. and they have certain characteristics . they have no place in the proportional system. we say that the law should

be comprehensive, complete, include all society , be able to include all tastes, representatives of all tastes should be present in the legislative assembly of the country, and not all countries. for example , in a part of our country, we actually have a law that includes the city of tehran and four or five other cities in the country. in fact, it becomes twofold and the conditions and now our electoral formula means that it becomes both a majority and proportionality . we have not been formed, and the background of this plan is the formation of torture in our country

another issue is that maybe the independents will not have the opportunity to attend the islamic council . what is your answer to the objections raised by mr. qazi ? perhaps, in any case , i do not understand the so-called system or this system, in any case , i do not understand the discussion that mr. kazemi mentioned that you are free to talk about all the issues that you raised in this plan in our specialized commission. it is finished , it has been presented in our specialized commission, i am the first vice president i am this commission and we had a lot of discussions . these objections were raised in the commission .

well, the work of parties is done . it is not necessary to have a defined party

. you want different currents to have the same structure. you can give a percentage to a party, for example, people don't know what your share is, mr. sam. i explained it to you. what is the percentage of the people's opinion ? imagine now, for example , there are so-called fundamentalist and reformist movements, sir. even my candidates do not need to be members of the party. these two currents are even registered as parties, this is what we have in the society now , it is not even necessary for these two currents to register themselves . i am a voter for two different lists , or i should choose all my candidates from one list , i should not choose another list and independent people, or i should choose a combination of lists, or a combination of lists and independent people, or i should choose all of them from independent people, and there will be no problems with independent people. by the way , if they want, they can make a list they don't want to be independent, no, not independent

, they can't find each other, it's not like a party

, they can find each other for a broken list, get 20% of the votes, what exactly is the share of that group of individual people, how much of the votes does it make up, for example, 20 20 in tehran, what 20 multiplying by 30 seats, it becomes 6 seats for individual people, which is up to the seats of these individual people. it is up to the debate that i expect you to do something with these two, for example, one is that in

the proportional system, due to the priority of finding merit electoral lists. other people are not given much attention, one by one, the probability of individual candidates is very low, even if they are having a lot of merit means that it will be limited to the lists. this is another discussion. you are making a law for the city of tehran and four other cities. are we really going to have a two-way election system, for example, a service issue.

with the subway, i don't know, with trams, and i don't know with the so-called public agent, the natures are completely different, it is not a service work, this is a discussion , we say that the parliament, at the head of the country's affairs, wants us to supervise and legislate all the affairs of the country, then we will come with a we want to rule the law in two ways, proportionally, the country is actually two islands we are seeing each other separately, we are saying, we as legislators are asking you, we as legislators should go and find weaknesses and problems for the whole country . it means that the parties should be serious in the whole country and people should be members of the parties . we have many parties

. i think we have 186 parties in the country. find it in the country. the members of the society should become members of these parties so that the weight of the parties in the society can be determined so this is a separate discussion, your issue, no , mr. kazi, look, the weight of the parties is not determined by the number of people who are members of the party . the account has recruited members across the country, no, maybe there is no need at all for it to be a national party, the party can be provincial , party flow is not possible at all, sir, so there are 30 experts in tehran.

article 64 of the constitution, sir, look at the law , when the guardian council approves it, it says in the field of humanitarian, political, geography, it means that this law must

it should include all the people of this society , it should include the geography of this country, and it should include the political factors of this group . explain this . there are different laws. let's make a law about shahria , i will make a law about the so-called disabled people. what exactly is a part of their representatives elected by the single-representative majority system , or in the city, for example, in tehran, they may say, sir, from 30

to five, according to the principle, what is it between tehran and, for example , they define it into 5 constituencies, each constituency has one representative they say that 25 of them will be elected proportionally in different countries of this system. i will ask you a question. give me an answer and let my people and viewers know that we say that first we say that the parties should be institutionalized in the country. this is a basis and that's enough for proportional elections. that's right, yes, we are saying that we will cover the whole country, we will say that it is the province, if we can convince the guardian council, that means we should enact a law that the provincial elections will be proportional in the whole country, which means you say that the role of the parties, the share of the parties, the share of even the independents should be seen in the law. it should be implemented so that the elections in the country are provincial we should not have any part of the country where proportionality is not implemented and the law covers the entire geographical area of ​​the country. mr. kazemi, look, in the 10th parliament

, by the way, before the parliament passes, in order to convince my friends in the commission of councils and the parliament , about three i wrote four articles. by the way , i gave an example about fars, khorasan, and tehran. supposedly, it was because we have 100 voters, for example, in fars, we have 18 representatives. we have 15 constituencies, shiraz constituencies had four representatives, the rest of the constituencies had only one representative , what is the provincial-city proportional system? by the way, i gave an example of the so-called model of how the voters choose , how exactly the representatives of the sub-constituencies are chosen, exactly in the provincial-city proportional system, our main constituencies will be easy , and our sub-constituencies will be in

fars. you said that we will do this, in the end we will go in that direction, let me say that we have not prepared anything until the end, why should we go and enact a law , then we will go, we say come now that hazrat ali , we have taken the time to come to the issue of proportionality, let's work on the provincial discussion, the guardian council let's make a law the issue of parties in our commission is also a bit, for example, we have a party, how many members. in this country, we have a party. we all have a party in that country. let's come. the parties and their roles are clear . just like you, we have a city party . we have a kastani party. we also have a national party. we national parties in the country can list the local parties in their own place. under these, they themselves can play a role. let 's talk about the party system first. the discussion about the introduction of the proportional system is the law of proportionality.

it is a city that covers the whole country, but this is iran because you have 290 representatives right here. my representatives are looking at the situation in you. the thing is, the representatives who owe their so-called election to the so -called, know what the issues with local issues are, they have nothing to say, you know that if it is necessary to vote for them in the province, because they have nothing to say, this is precisely the difference between two cities that are important. sour

there is a plan that you want to go to the parliament , there is a chance of getting a vote, mr. qadri , i apologize, mr. qadri, in the discussion of the first provincial election , the guard council took issue with the fact that it was a whole province. a city, a province, a city, a province, what does it mean, for example, the constituencies of poldakhter and usually where we are? yes, there must be a sam

in the seat of the province, how? let him be ahead of these in the competition among the candidates of his own city in kalan , because this will become a province of the city. in my opinion , the concerns of the representatives of the 10 constituencies that you mentioned , the concerns of the 13 constituencies will also be resolved. we are in that province

i say one, i say provincial , city, proportional, two proportional, there is another problem with it, if you explain this, iran, we say, for example, in tehran , we have a list a, we have a list b, that's right, list a in the majority system actually gets all 30 seats, right? yes, the list will be completely deleted in the proportional system, which is proportional to the votes that the people of tehran give to each list. for example , giving 20% ​​to a, 80% to b, list a should approve 20% of the seats, the list with more than 80, now my question is , you are behind the list of the leader of list a, with the bottom of the list without votes, the leader of this.