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they follow the latest news , they are still on their mobile phones. well, mr. afsharpour, how much do you believe that the labor law should be changed or reformed in the name of allah , the most merciful, the most merciful? there are many components in the economy that are involved in the determination of wages and the law only mentions the livelihood basket and inflation, which has never been implemented due to various possible reasons , that's why we believe that article 41 of the law the work must be corrected and so should we other components in this matter, let's see what needs to be corrected.
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and it is not inflation, there are other economic components that must be placed next to this, of course, in order for the viewers to be mentally present, article 41 of the labor law is the same clause that mentions the annual minimum wage based on the region and different industries, and i appreciate your presence. inflation and the livelihood basket and let it happen, that's right, it's exactly the same. one of the other problems that is coming up is the discussion of the industry . it is interesting that no one, just like mr. dr. seifi said, did not mention the statement for the law and reform, on the other hand , there are a large number of our workers in the trades, so they remain locked and there must
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be as many cases that need to be reformed. thank you, mr. seifi, what are the things you think should be amended in the labor laws? see in the discussion of rights, first of all, something that is always the same. it is repeated, first of all, these debates and discussions always take place between the worker and the employer there was also a third side, because basically these fields are three-sided and two-sided do not mean anything. second , one thing that i must emphasize at the beginning is that you see that no employer without workers has no meaning and no worker without an employer. if they are not in balance, flight
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will not take place, the economy will not grow, that is, one side cannot have more weight than the weight of the two sides. this is in the field of work. when we talk about labor law, it is clear from the literature that labor law, labor law and welfare law are different. see, we often mistake this for the fact that we are in a situation right now we believe that a person as someone who lives in this society should at least have a life , there is no doubt about it at all, and we completely agree, because if a worker is mentally and spiritually unable to work properly, the efficiency of the work will decrease. low means that even this harms the production and the employer sector and the country's economy, so this must exist, but here the discussion is whose share is this, that is, in the labor law that we call the labor law. it should be corrected and all angles
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should be seen, whether the level of employment in the country is important or not, see for example i am telling you, now the world's economy has moved towards the digital economy, the current law has no meaning in the digital economy, because in the current law, you must have correspondence, you must have a place, you must have a place . . basic changes in the form. can you give me an example? for example, mr. afsharpour refers to the discussion of the regional wage industry now. one of the problems of the workers is job security. looking at it from this side, it should be analyzed when job security happens. on the one hand, the employer
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the area of maintaining an economic enterprise is important for him, it means that he can advance the conditions so that the work can be done. you see, the problem with the current labor law in article 411 is that it comes first of all. according to our law , the supreme labor council is obliged to determine the minimum wage according to different regions or different industries. well , we did not go into this for 32 years, and it has become customary in the country that we have a national wage. friends, tell me why , for example, this number comes in, for example, inflation comes in first the law of what exists is according to the inflation , not according to the inflation, according to the second inflation , so that the livelihood basket for the family of three and three tenths
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can have enough life, but the debate that exists is that when we use this number we want to determine for the whole country that company whose service is defined at all has the highest weight of human resources . so that we don't use these as an example , when we want to determine the salaries of the workers , the service sector should be determined separately, the industry should be determined separately , small industries should be determined with the industry. conversion and medium industry
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it has a lot of effect in an industry. well, when you become unbalanced, you want to increase this, or you want to see that national average, naturally that average goes down. because you have to see the score of 20, you will be like a class that has a score of 20 and you have a score of 8 , the grade point average of the class may become 13 and become 14, and someone will look and say why you have a 14. this is because we say that the labor law should be amended. to reform does not take shape , there is always this concern and these debates . ok, our worker, you can see that there is a point that the discussion of the regional position has been raised for several years , and they always come to the conclusion at the last day that the necessary platform is not available, so let it be for later, next year , the same thing will be brought up again, the worse year, the same thing
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will be brought up again. various researches by different centers have come to investigate and get to the bottom of this story , sir, whether it is appropriate to do this or not. we our proposal to the government is that in the first year, if it was supposed to enter for next year, for example , the friends in the supreme council are talking now. our suggestion is, don't go to the whole mozdeh area and work methodically, because there may be some patterns that cannot be collected. let 's work on a series of wage components and items. like the right of housing, like ben arzaq, well, the sums that have been considered for this, come here and to help the youth of the population, let's consider an area, that is, for example, it should be in such a way that
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the housing right for a series of cities is more than, for example, something that now we consider the basis, okay, in general, there is this difference, now the amount of housing rent. in a city a, there is less than city b. well , this is better than it being seen in the salary , see what happens, we are seen in some places on a macro level, we have problems, that is, there are fewer iranian workers there, well, our young people now. i mentioned that less people go to work, and i am right that this legal capacity does not exist, while there is no culture of work and production, which means that it is very weakened. today's young people do not put their energy into hard work
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, that's why we say that employment is low now, then you. come, let's go and see the industrial towns around tehran and alborz and how much empty capacity they have. there is no labor force to go to work. well , maybe the wages are low. this is what the ministry of labor determines, sometimes higher wages for more professional and technical specialties. ram madan i don't know the purchases and sales that happen, internet taxis , the things that they mention to us , they sell handguns on the side of the street, they say that the income for us is more than working in the industry, or they sell sneakers on the side of the street, they say, sir, this is the income from lathe work in some industry. he wants to give me that it also gives me technical rights
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. it is much more. therefore, let me sum it up a little. the discussion is about the salary. it is only about the livelihood and not about this. it is not about the livelihood basket and inflation. it is a bigger puzzle that the governments should enter and play a role from 2005 to now. today, the government's role in labor wages has become nothing, i wanted to say it was weak, but it has become nothing, because before there was a ben arzaghi, where the government would pay its own share, so now it is all the responsibility of the employer , here we expect, considering that the ministry of home affairs is a labor cooperative. social welfare the issue of social welfare is in his own hands and the first one is in his own country the goods of the labor field, tell
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me, sir, give me one to 10 goods, i will give you the goods for his livelihood, in the field of health, you can see what the livelihood basket includes. one of them is health, well, this health is happening in insurance, and the other is in the matter of travel. from this hotel and some places like raja trains, this ministry owns it. it's a house, you can give it to the workers for free , you can give it to the worker with a very large subsidy, you can help, everything in that wage should not be tangible. face you are pointing out, no, that is another discussion . here, the government can come and enter, for example, for retirees, they say, sir, i will give you a loan. i give my mashhad dignity
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in front of my people, i give quota, i take inflation, well, this can have an impact in the government sector for the rest of the workers, see what happens, according to economists , it sets an expectation for future wages and inflation for the society, they say, sir, you just said that much the percentage is 30%, so everyone will go because next year, in addition to the deficit that the government has approved , the government's budget will cause inflation, the expected inflation. we have a bar there, he comes in and gives another shock, he says, "sir, if we came and checked, from 1360 to last year 1401, the country's inflation rate and the minimum wage increase was about 3%." the effect it has on inflation, but since this story is being blown
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, especially by the media, which may not know the essence of this story, it will cause us more problems . you said that it is possible that for workers in some regions of the country, their hands are less than this limit the minority that is determined every year, for example, whether this happens or not, see first of all the need to ask why we have not done any proper research on this for 32 years. with the right data , we have so many doctoral theses, why don't the ministry of higher education decide right now to come and tell me, sir , that we have done this research in the field of livelihood benefits, the effects of regional wages, national wages, and even its effects on the country's economy. the main data does not exist . the information that exists is given. i said
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it in farsi. yes, it is correct. is not. and that's why everyone doesn't make a firm decision about this. secondly, until i get to your discussion, so that inflation is not controlled in the country, you can set any number for the salary, it 's useless. look, when you talk to many workers kenny says, "dad , if i had the purchasing power of last year, give me the same, well, this is not the employer 's hand. anyway, the inflation of the country, if you have the dollar today, for example , this naturally affects the areas of expected inflation in the country and real inflation. well, naturally, this causes that for example, if we have 10% inflation or 10% dollar changes in the market you see, 10-20% has an effect because it creates an expected inflation
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. the training for the treatment of the back and forth of a person should be provided from the public income. when you don't have this in your country, well , all the wishes of a labor field from the employer are naturally not answered. if you look at it, i think about 60-70 % of it is the same four or five parts that i told you. housing, treatment, education, and ebbs and flows that exist, or now the rest is in the basket of livelihood in fact, the government arranges these things in its structure. one person who comes to work in the morning, their whole life was not concerned with the fact that tomorrow if i don't work , i will be destroyed. yes, this
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destroys mental security. we have the right to do this now. which is low compared to our business process , see if we don't reform the business process in the country, this economy will not grow , there will be no money. they don't want to work anymore, we are running out of money he can't get the salary to work, now he says, "sir, why doesn't that company pay, well, the economic justification is no more than this. the company is now fixed." more than this justification, rabin, the highest employment is in services in this country, whether it is right or wrong , aside from the fact that we should have planned in such a way that, for example , we focus more on industry, we know that it is a separate issue, but what exists now is mostly services, services, and the highest human resources. it goes to the country, well, naturally, this has an effect, and many people are not ready
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to work even with the measly salaries that they determine, and yes, towards this way, we now have people who even the engineer on the side says, "sir, i'm going to work for snap, i 'm going to work in virtual systems, and my income is much better than this. technical areas, not technical and specialized areas , they dictate. in fact, he says, i'm less than i don't do this, and in fact, it gets absorbed into the system, but the general public doesn't really have this discussion, it comes to the discussion of the regional issue, really, we always talked about it, but we never wanted to enter into this matter with full will, because when we enter with will. exactly, you are going to do the whole census , even the people we have 21 million working people, these 21 million, it is known how much it is in precise services , in what other companies, that we have two insurance centers, it can fully understand how much it is in industry, how much it is in agriculture, how much it is precisely in small businesses, where
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are these small businesses more abundant to work you can do it in the statistics center. if this trade union becomes compatible with the industry and the region , it will benefit the workers in terms of wages. but its effects are created many times when they say, sir, immigration takes shape, i wish they would come to this country first, then 32 after three years of the labor law
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, when they came to a province and did a pilot , they tried different decisions that would in fact be formed for the whole country . i'm looking at work. in terms of livelihood and worker welfare, i give the right to the worker . i say, sir, the worker must have a condition to be able to live a full life. how much is his share from the employer and how much is his share from the government? housing, treatment, education, this is a high share in the field of government when we look at the business sector, my question is , suppose today you have a thousand unemployed people in sistan baluchistan, an economic enterprise can go there
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and work there, one or ten or four. the economic justification of the company is not more than that it can pay 10 thousand more per month . does our current labor law allow it? not okay. why do they say with 10 tomans? you know the minimum salary that you set for a worker for the employer until the end of the year 2.16 he comes because he has industries, he has an id, he has insurance, and in fact, he has a vacation and other discussions that come about 16. that is, if you consider the minimum this year. for example, if it is 7 million tomans or 8 million tomans for the employer , it will be more than 16 million tomans for one person he hires, so
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there is no justification for that company to do this, so what should we do? go to work or you shouldn't do this , our current labor law says you can't do this. from now on, the worker's share is in terms of handouts from the employer. how much is the government, how much do you think ? see the point that there is, in general , i see the worker's livelihood basket, sir, we have a problem in this situation , it should be helped to improve, but besides this , i will come a little higher, the general policies of the system regarding welfare. and they have social security, sir , when you announced this. after saying that the executive order should be presented in 6 months, nothing has happened. well, it means that it was at the time when
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the government was in place and handed over the government. the salaries of the employees were not very good, so this is the case. and we went, we talked, we studied, and we said, mr. government, last year, i directly presented it to haj, mr. raisi, and he said it was a very good proposal. later, we also gave it to the ministry, sir. these general policies and this social welfare law are not the responsibility of the social security organization, but the social security organization. it is an economic boom itself, if it comes there , it points out that the government has a duty to cover all its people and
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to do justice to them, that is, no one should act based on this. if the law is implemented, he should go to bed hungry at night . well, one of our demands is that the government, as i said before, has withdrawn from its livelihood since 1985 . it should enter into the discussion of the implementation of the social welfare law. it is very important for us that this happened because i remained silent. now mr. seifi pointed out that he borrowed from the orders of the leadership of the worker and the employer. they are two wings of work. we want to look at it realistically. if the amount of wages and subordinates is high, it is a
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small workshop. instead of taking 10 people , he takes three people. this is no longer in the interest of the worker. ok? we must see all our compatriots. it should be treated in such a way that a large number of young people in this country can be employed and at work and all benefit from a reasonable wage. this is better than a few receiving high enough salaries and a larger number not getting paid at all. now what is happening, my dear employers , we have to plead with them, we have been asking for this in our relationships, now fortunately , the supreme employers' council is willing to help , my government likes it, but there is a feeling in the workforce, well, this feeling is very painful, we have to change this
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, the feeling is that sir. i am doing harm my dear, what can this happen? many places should express their help to return this feeling , that is, the media should come and help in this field . let's jump to it, mr. seifi mentioned somewhere that salary increase is proportional to inflation or according to inflation. you mentioned that article 41 of the labor law is the second debate of labor activists that if there is going to be a regional wage, we should come from this basket of livelihood and i request to your presence that we increase salaries based on inflation. what is your opinion? well, no, look at the current labor law , see that this discussion is within the system, see that a person who lives in the society must have a proper livelihood, no one should talk to him
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, no one. one of the concerns now is that we are tying this to the labor law, this initial mistake , we should not be tied to it, we have a labor law, the labor law is formed based on the supply and demand of the business sector, you have to make a decision in the labor law that will harm don't go to the economic center, at least livelihood can be formed for workers, but since we all tie this to the field of livelihood.
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but when you look at it from the point of view of an economic enterprise , in order for that economic enterprise to survive , it must have made the right decision not to shut down , because when it shuts down , the country's employment will actually suffer. look, you have to bring the country's business environment to a point where the number of economic enterprises will increase so much that the worker will determine the price by himself. it does not belong to the responsible field of construction workers , whatever he determines in our technical and engineering fields now we are determining them, but in a series
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of areas, because the number of those economic enterprises and our business environment has not reached a point, that enterprise maintains itself under a thousand difficult conditions , and the result is that if it is harmed, it will be closed. it is possible, and that closure or retrenchment will cause the worker who is actually working and needs to get the minimum wage to lose, especially the current labor law that does not allow a series of companies with this conditions. currently, they are saying that we have found a lot of informal jobs in the country the basis of that is that they cannot work at least, but many are willing to work, and in fact, it has caused that side neither to have insurance nor to have a pension , and this is what is happening. .
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