in the press conference before the match against iran, the turkmenistan team said: iran is strong, but we are also trying to be dangerous on counterattacks. our goal is to score and we are working hard for this. strong team. iran has a very good level. it has very high quality players. maybe our players are not as high quality as iranian players. but we have our own tactical ideas and we try to show a double effort in this game. the game went. the two teams will be held at azadi stadium on thursday, the second of april, from 193:00. dawood moradi , sed and cima news agency. thank you for your companion. today is the second thursday of april 10 of ramadan and the 21st of march. in tehran, sunset is at 18:00, maghrib call to prayer is at 185:00 and midnight is at 23:00. we will ask for 30 minutes

. thank you for your support. dear viewers, have a nice day and goodbye. iranian sharaf iran is playing a telegram with the country, why is it that you are pricing in this month ? your question is an interesting question . you are a football manager. we don't want any kind of treatment

. dear and respected viewers , we are at your service with another debate on the topic of the special higher program whether to allocate the gasoline subsidy to the melia code or to cars means the same current situation in the previous programs. and a statistic was brought up from the majlis research center that, in your presence, half of the entire country's households do not own a car and do not use the subsidy and share of gasoline. on the other side, statistics were presented about the fact that we have become an importer of gasoline and different figures were presented every year. program guests. in the previous parts about

the topic we talked about does not reach the consumers and the people. stay with us until the end . thank you. yes, here in our studio, mr. fartukzadeh, an energy expert , is present as an opponent of gasoline subsidy allocation to the national code, as well as mr. zamaniyan, another energy expert. as a supporter of your presence, the allocation of gasoline subsidy to the national code is present. in addition to greetings and greetings to both guests , i would like to start with mr. fertogzadeh and this question, which is basically the reason for your opposition to the allocation of gasoline subsidy to the national code of people from where does it come in the name of allah, the merciful, the most merciful? look, we have to buy gasoline historically, we understand

that gasoline has faced a conceptual development in different eras in iranian mentality , that is, naturally, gasoline is a commodity like other commodities, that is, how do you go, for example , you buy food, you buy clothes, you expect that gasoline is also something that we call a commodity. private means that private goods are goods that you have to pay for and buy, but gasoline gradually. as a result of the policies that have been put in place , it has turned from a private good to a public good. what is a public good like? for example, i don't know about defense security. vaccination is a product that no one should necessarily pay for. it is the responsibility of the government to pay for the goods. this means we have to see how gasoline is a private commodity. it has become a public good, and from

a public good it has become a right, and from a right it has become a car right, i.e. these are the 4 doors, but note that this meaning does not remain only in the mind , this meaning comes into the scene of real life and we say a series of so-called dependence on the path creates a series of accumulations that now that you have made a different decision means a time. for whatever reason, the politician thought that he should stabilize the price of gasoline and this is for the benefit of the people naturally, this stabilization has had consequences over time, now he wants to come to the conclusion that that stabilization was wrong, or that the time for that

stabilization has passed, now he wants to return gasoline to its normal state, here the policymaker cannot get a message from the two decades. the stabilization of the price, which you have created a series of changes in prices, but you have still told the society that gasoline is a trick, sir, and if we have made it more expensive this time, pay attention. we you it is suggested that you only accompany us the three times we made gasoline more expensive, like this, we make gasoline more expensive for people, for example, once, then we don't give the equivalent or

more, you can feel free to go after your life. the one that we have an agreement with each other. or we had written that gasoline is a fraud, now you are short of your right, you are short , we made gasoline a bit more expensive, we subsidized it, well, this speech was a politician's speech , it was an unwritten agreement with the people, that's all. mr. zamanian, why do you believe that the gasoline subsidy should be allocated to the national code of all people? the point that is brought up is that those people who do not have a car now, for example , are using the same gasoline subsidy, something that we see a lot in the virtual world , what is your opinion, in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful. hello, i wish you acceptance of the theater and prayers

of all dear people. see, i also want to make an introduction. please allow me some creative ideas. interpretation let's say, for example, let's give gasoline to people or let people exchange gasoline with each other . things like this are not something that the residents actually have a preference for, which means that if we had a better plan in the long run, maybe there was no need to do these things at all, we found ourselves in a situation where this situation actually closed the path to decision making and correction. we all know that we are in a serious gas deficit. of course, the rest of the carriers are the same in the first place. we cannot solve this. when i say sovereignty, i mean decision-making institutions

like the parliamentary government. for whatever reason , they don't decide to discuss this issue with your people. i mean, most of their efforts are to give people confidence , so don't worry for now, we don't want to touch the price for now, like a family father who decides for any reason to have the confidence to sit down with his children and talk to his family. there is no such thing as family issues , it is causing problems elsewhere, it is expensive . we know that we are a question for the people, why is the price going up ? it's strange that, for example, a few curses, a few people, a series of people, for example, asked. they are doing this. let's get into that discussion. it is characteristic that we have an energy deficit . our industry's electricity is cut off for several months a year . why is it that i am not going to talk to the people, let's see, mr. people. in any case, if there is a deficit, both the household and the industry must be healthy. by the way, the industry is the first to use energy

, we can easily shut down the industry. in fact, this way of looking at it is to let only the people feel it . little industrial it is possible that imports into the country will decrease, we will suffer a transverse shock, anyway, that father is bringing the cost to the family, we are in such a situation . first of all, the government does not have the confidence to talk to the people. i wish it did. in fact, the view of some parts of the government is so secure that people cannot be talked about. first of all, in the second place , we should make a criticism to my colleagues, my friends, and most of those who are researchers, experts, and academics, that we usually in these issues where we have to help the government , we don't go into executive solutions, we simply say that

we have to solve this problem from a macro level, for example, now sometimes this macro problem, for example , finds a very political root, they say that we should go and solve the embargo at all , things like in fact , it may have a political flavor, some people say no, we should go, in fact , fix the structure of the energy sector from scratch. actually, the word that means we don't have a solution, but we don't want to say that we don't have an idea, we don't have an implementation idea we are making generalizations. look, we are talking in this platform and we are talking in this platform. now i want to say how much is our justified space for proposing solutions in this platform . let's sit down right now and see how many solutions are on the table. well, there is a traditional solution that has always existed and always will be that we resist as long as we can, and when the deficit reached such a level that we were absolutely unable to supply it, i

have nothing to do with the arguments that the explanation of gasoline is unfair. now our problem is that we cannot provide now the discussion that can be done by expert centers and the parliament and so on is the 3-4 billion dollar debate that will be discussed at least this year , but the size of the imbalance is the size of the imbalance. it is really getting serious. well, i don't want to cause concern by saying this , but really, as a society, we should talk to each other, we shouldn't deny that the problem exists . what will happen to the issue with the people? undoubtedly, it determines the event that it determines , another november 1998, that is, you go, you go, you go , father, lady, then at that time, the same few

solutions that allow each reform to be gradually reformed will be closed, and then we have to actually let's get into the same wrong solutions once again. of course, at that time , we have no choice but to come and shock the economy overnight. in fact , we will involve all the people and there will be no chance for an understanding, no chance for actually, my conversation now, god willing , in the next period, i will have an analysis of actually later on let me tell you the reality of the socialization of the gasoline issue. i think that mr. moffada has raised a good point that in fact the issue has somehow gone out of its standard state. well, thank you, mr. zamaniyan, mr. fartukzadeh. let's hear your reasons for your opposition to the allocation of subsidies to an economy with they have the same system. it creates a relative relationship over time

, that is, for example, why assume that gold is more expensive than silver, this has a relative relationship, for example , if you say that starting tomorrow morning, i will give gold more expensive than silver , there is a chain of consequences behind it, why? suppose that bananas are more expensive in iran suppose. in iran, bananas are always more expensive than bananas, because we have to bring them from somewhere else. they come from a cold climate, but you have to bring them to iran, and they find this relative relationship, which means that the dollar goes up. again, this relative relationship is in favor of bananas. it goes higher when you stabilize the price of gasoline , and this stabilization lasts, for example, for two decades. this manipulation is in the relative relationship of prices, which means that

it has a chain of desired and unwanted consequences. look, when you confuse this relative relationship, what was the cause, we said. i give gasoline to people so that they can be comfortable. finally , they will take a burden off the shoulders of the people with a good intention. the first time you came because we were making gasoline more expensive every year in the third program we had . when they arrive , they have to stabilize the price of gasoline, as well as other energy carriers and even government services, gas and electricity, and i don't know the likes of this stabilization. mete has also received a series of unwanted messages. now i will tell you a few. its first unwanted consequence is that the distance between people's homes and workplaces has increased. that is, if we go back to the decade, for example, there were 70 people in 34 a kilometer away from their workplace, for example, they rent blood

, or they decide their job three or four kilometers from their house. when this relative relationship breaks down, i.e. the share of gasoline in the khan's basket, i say relatively , we may not have made the price expensive, but when the price of gasoline over the course of, say, a decade, suppose that a total of 1000 tomans will be expensive, but the price of chicken, for example , will be 10 times higher. it is possible that the price of potatoes will increase 10 times, that is, at a time when gasoline has become more expensive by thousands of tomans, potatoes have been aggressively affected by the relative relationship of prices . what was the result of this? i can tell a typology of gasoline zinefan here, but i don't have the time to tell you how many types

of gasoline zinefan, but i will open one type now. it is a type that is affected by gasoline. there are people who live in the villages, their jobs are in the big cities. obviously, i say, for example, a person who works on piruzhi street in tehran , where is his house in rohene, if you go back to the 70s , he won't leave in the morning, that is , he won't go home in rohene. you brought them down, they came to the conclusion that to instead of living in a 40-meter apartment in pirouzi street, he can move to a 120 -meter apartment in, for example, roudhand, buy a pride, take four passengers in the morning from roudhand to tehran, so now the lifestyle has changed, the income pattern has changed, the spending pattern has changed.

this is a decisive type, my second type to say. now, we have an explosive use of internet taxis. think, for example, in a country with our per capita income , the use of internet taxis is really exploding. well, it is a completely iranian phenomenon. where else in the world do you see so much, for example? if there are passengers and drivers, it means there is both supply and demand. does it exist, for example, in tokyo, in london, in new york , people easily call or travel by internet taxi, so look, now i have explained two types, one type is for home residents, one type is for zinefaan internet taxi, you should use these two types. consider that in these two decades the price of gasoline

has stabilized and decreased. the relative price of gasoline compared to other goods. what is the condition of these things now ? agree, let's see a report together. the subject we are debating about, what is your opinion, we will return to the debate, my follow-up, seyed yaser jabraeili, an expert on political issues, the person who presents the difference in the price of gasoline between dollars and rials to me , is in the most optimistic state of misunderstanding, because he it is enough if we don't go to parliament. if justice is to be observed in the distribution of the country's resources, why only gasoline? each iranian's share of oil, gas, iron, egypt,

gold, aluminum, lead, manganese, sulfur, sea, forest , etc. should be given to him. ali maleki , an expert on economic issues, should allocate gasoline to any national market code should be formed inside the country where the price of gasoline is determined regardless of the international prices. currently, due to the mandated price stabilization and restrictions in gasoline distribution , an informal market has formed, and if a person needs more gasoline than his quota of 1,500 tomans or 300 tomans, he must buy gasoline at a higher price than the approved price. reza gholami, an expert on issues. economically, if we share the people in an issue, not only will they not resist the price increase, but they will also support it. plan to allocate gasoline quota to individuals instead of the car itself , it is a demagogic plan with the slogan of justice, which has a partial view of people's monetary illusion, i.e. higher monetary income in the short term . sir, narsi, an expert on economic issues

, a person who does not have a car does not receive any subsidy at all. this subsidy should be paid to individuals in addition to cars. so that they can provide for the issues related to the government such as paying for water and electricity, as a result , this money does not go out of the government system and is not inflationary. fuel smuggling will not increase with this plan because a person without a car will get his quota to a person who has a car. sells. reza pedemar, member of the commission the chamber of commerce's energy project, such as the allocation of gasoline to the national code , is more about advertising and elections than it is operational. now, it is important that a basket consisting of all energy carriers is determined for people, and everyone takes from their basket according to their needs. with this work, the society goes towards the optimization of energy consumption. reza nawaz, the spokesperson of the fuel stationers association of the country of khasis. gasoline quotas through fuel cards have lost their use and many people are protesting the gasoline queues and the failure of smart fuel card stations. by assigning gasoline to the national code, it is possible to use

more up-to-date technologies such as payment by bank card or any better method will be provided, and the quality of providing services to people at the stations will also increase . yes, we saw the report together, mr. zamanian , let's go to the reasons. tun, because you say that the gasoline subsidy should be allocated to the national code, yes, look, a survey was conducted by the presidential strategic research center in one of the courses. the findings of the survey are very interesting because we all know that the gasoline issue is now more than being economic, it is social, which means that it has become a social issue. concerns about reform are also social concerns the questions asked were a janebandi. this poll is very interesting. i want to present my view on the gasoline problem and say why this solution can solve the problem because the government in different periods that this policy

is actually shock therapy stabilization means as far as we know stabilization. ken did not give a shock after that, he continued to stabilize the shock of this cycle, and he also had defenders . hiding issues from the people in this poll, when people are asked whether they think the government can for a long period of time, continue to supply gasoline in a sense, both in terms of supply volume and in terms of price, and it will continue in this way. about 70 % of people believe that yes, gasoline is something that belongs to the people, the price and the amount of value is in the hands of the government. the government can do this as much as it wants. his repeated insistences have confirmed this thinking that there is no problem at all, we don't need to touch anything, three times people

are asked, now if a change is going to happen , for example, a price change or anything like this , what do you think, the people's answer is the previous two introductions it is that they either want to secure their budget, or they want to get people's approval again, or they want to actually do something. that is, the people's view of the government. i am going to add this to mr. doctor's presentation. he said that gasoline has become a public right product. i want to say that i want to take a step forward in this regard . the internet is provided by the government. you can't, but it's a public right, you know why a few years ago, he asked to change the price after a few years . he saw how much the government protested against him with the policy of mandatory pricing. that's mean the fact that i determine the price of this product and guarantee that this fixed price will continue has somehow taken the society in a situation where they think that

any change that happens is in line with the interests of zinfan, especially within the government or a series of lobby elements. it's like no one is watching, if something really happens, when i say that no one is watching , i'm talking about a majority in society and a general view, the impression is that, well. they want to provide for them again , they want to solve such and such a problem , they want to help the people and then imagine the people. they are living in a 40% inflation , and these people consider this inflation to be caused by the changes in the price of gasoline and this year, and the government, which believes that this can continue for years to come, is making this change. it is because of its own interests, then they say , what kind of government are we facing? what kind of parliament are we facing, which comes to change the price of gasoline for its own interests, gives us a burning hand , and causes 40 inflation on us. we

are actually creating a path with such thinking. we closed it , what should we do now? there should be a dialogue, but is this enough? no, in my opinion , the problem should be solved from the same place where we solved it . your look that you don't trust me says that you want it because of your own interests and for any other reason in this gasoline. make changes. well, i will give this to you. it's interesting, if you pay attention to this survey, 2 questions will be asked to people, how interesting these two questions are, and they will tell you if you are ready. the government should fix the price of gasoline and give you the money, the same experience that we successfully did in 2009, nearly 70 people are still against this, according to the same group that had previous objections, they say no, we are against it, even the poor groups that

benefit this story says, sir, please don't touch the price, not only gasoline, the rest of the energy carrier , i don't want my money. this is the first point. exchange however you want, the government has nothing to do with it the meaning here is actually more than 60 people here agree with this and in this conversation and this question is discussed that the government has nothing to do . the government doesn't have input anymore , so the question is, if the people really only see this as a right, then they should actually say no, i will supply gasoline almost at a very low price now or for free forever. you must

guarantee that i am not i need to go buy it from someone else and pay for it. these things should not be understood too much ok. my opinion is that what has led to this issue is that the government itself has guaranteed and the people believe that i will keep the price constant for you forever , and when you leave this issue to the people and turn gasoline into a commodity. you are in the hands of people who can exchange with them as they like, the problem actually involves the majority of the society. that's why my opinion is that basically this plan and this idea have already existed and various discussions have been held about it, when it is actually put to the test of polls, the most important pillar is actually an obstacle to reforms by the people. this government's supervision is based on a fixed price, and the government's supervision is that i will supply you as much as you want, for as long as you want, in any way

you want. instead of considering its role as price stabilization , it should consider its role as a redistributive role . it should consider its role as the creation of an exchange market between people and its regulation. and let this actually form a market between people, i think we can take a step let's move on from this position, it is definitely not ideal in the long term, it must be changed in the long term. yes, but at least it will get us out of this current lock , mr. fartukzadeh, you agree that the gasoline subsidy should be allocated to the melia code, for the reasons mentioned by mr. zamanian , see if there were three of us , we could have agreed on it very easily. this idea, because now i don't have a car, they have a car, we will negotiate with each other

, we will solve it somehow, but you should consider that we are talking about several million iranians , suburbanites, snap drivers, snap passengers. those who either use cheap gasoline directly or think that cheap gasoline will greatly affect their lives, for example , suppose there are 50 million people, and by the way, they are also in the gathering. there is also a large population, for example , they are around tehran, around isfahan , around i don't know, karajan, in the most populated places, those who are less fortunate, those servants of god are in, for example, remote provinces, in i don't know, in south khorasan, in i don't know, in sistan, there is a lot of media too. god's servants don't have it, it means that there is some time here.